Aug 28th, 2014

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Next month Edge Magazine is running a big feature on Shigeru Miyamoto, though several quotes from this interview have already leaked online. Yesterday we saw a quote from Miyamoto discussing the attitudes of casual gamers in the market, and how Miyamoto says he’s thankful for smartphones that attract the attention of these gamers, so Nintendo can focus on those who want to challenge themselves.

Despite that, it seems Mario is always the go-to character for Nintendo, as a section of that interview has revealed that in the initial concept for Splatoon didn’t feature the squid characters we saw unveiled at E3. Instead, the developers argued over whether there were any advantages to portraying Mario in this setting. As some fans have mentioned upon seeing the initial reveal, the backpacks on the characters are very similar to the one Mario wields in Super Mario Sunshine.

“There were heated debates over who the main player character should be. Whether it should be Mario, or a squid. When we talked about the possibility of it being Mario, of course we could think of the advantages: anybody would be willing to touch it as soon as we announced that we had the new Mario game. But at the same time, we had some worries. If it were Mario, we wouldn’t be able to create any new IP.”

It’s nice to see the team acknowledge that creating new IPs with characters outside of established franchises is something that Nintendo should still work on. Splatoon will be released sometime in 2015.

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  • David Trail

    You can see the Mario Sunshine influence in the levels. It would have been just as good as just another Mario game but I am glad Nintendo created other characters to prove the passive/ pathetic gamers wrong who only see the main titles and not the other titles like Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Endless Ocean, and Sin and Punishment,and Xenobalde Chronicles, Nintendo have created other the years.

  • Jason

    I would have rather it had been Mario. The squids are cool, but the people they turn into aren’t at all.

    • Merry_Blind

      Well I’m glad it isn’t Mario, it spices things up a bit, and I don’t really see how they would have made Mario jump from splatters to splatters like the Squids do.

      However, I totally agree that the character designs are really lacking. Hopefully they’ll upgrade them before release. A lot of people think they don’t look too hot either, so maybe Nintendo will consider going back to the drawing board and update their look.

      • matthew garcia

        Yeah the characters look really generic

        • David Trail

          How do they look generic? Your is your average COD character clone is generic Matthew. Of course you would say that Matthew.

          • matthew garcia

            Call of duty is generic also. I don’t even like call of duty lol

          • David Trail

            Splatoon and it’s characters are far from generic dude. We all know that you are a troll.

          • Merry_Blind

            You’re the one who looks like a troll right now lol…

          • David Trail

            Sure stick up for the troll. He’s winning now.

          • Mario

            …Could you both just go away? -_-

          • David Trail

            Lol no!

          • matthew garcia

            Sorry but this trail guy is crazy. I’ll leave him alone now

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I second that. Lol.

          • Merry_Blind

            It was a perfectly civilized and legit conversation though before David Trail jumped in all edgy and condescending and stuff…

          • Divaitiie!

            Couldn’t agree more!
            Love u Bro.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Maybe people would give you some credit if you give up your fanboy/troll act.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            That’s certainly spot on.

          • eli

            I would say he’s stating his opinion,

          • David Trail

            His troll opinion.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            That’s exactly what you’re doing here right now. It’s sad that you can’t see that.

          • matthew garcia

            So not wanting every single Nintendo game makes me a troll? There some Nintendo games I want and some that I don’t. Just cuz someone doesn’t like every Nintendo games doesn’t make them a Nintendo hater

          • David Trail

            You are a Nintendo hater dude go to PS4 Daily and drool over your last gen ports and inferior looking pc ports.

          • matthew garcia

            Why when I want smash bros, x, and Zelda

          • David Trail

            Exactly PS4 is garbage.

          • matthew garcia

            Why when I love the last of us and looking forward to bloodborne

          • David Trail

            Last of Us already came out on PS3 a year ago and wasn’t very good then. Bloodbourne isn’t out till next year.

          • matthew garcia

            X and Zelda come out next year. This year I’m really forward to smash bros, and Dragon age and Destiny.

          • David Trail

            Bayonetta 2?

          • matthew garcia

            I’m sure I will just not right away. I can only buy so many games within my budget. So some games will just have to wait

          • Divaitiie!

            Bayonetta 2 Ain’t my type of game, But Super Smash Bros 4 Wii U/3DS and The Witcher 3 are my most anticipated games of this year.
            Oh and sorry for interrupted XD.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Then why did you buy one if that’s how you felt about it? I suspect your tone is probably an act or just want to fit in with the rest of the crowd. Kinda silly if you ask me. ;P

          • David Trail

            I don’t have a PS4. You are good at assuming stuff Daniel.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            That’s comical coming from a guy who actually owns a PS4. 😛

          • matthew garcia

            I hope he cleaned his walls

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Doubt it. He’s too “hardcore” for something as casual as cleaning. 😛

          • David Trail

            That wasn’t my house dude.

          • David Trail

            I don’t live there any more. I live in Ireland with my misses.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Riiiiight.

          • David Trail

            Yep I know you are too young to move out from mummies but someday you might be able to.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Someday, came 10 years ago. I suspect, going by your silly behavior, you aren’t even past 18 yet. I think mummy needs to take away some of your internet priviledges so you can clean those walls, perhaps even that floor. Perhaps it’s time to give up the child act, and talk like a grown up, don’t you think? ;P

          • David Trail

            Ha ha best one I have heard from you all night. You are nothing but a 14 year old. I moved out of my mums before. I just moved in to my mums for a while. I was living in London. I now live in the Republic of Ireland with my girlfriend. It’s going great!

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            “Ha ha best one I have heard from you all night. You are nothing but a 14 year old. ”

            My facebook pic says otherwise, but it was a good try, Davey.

            “I moved out of my mums before. I just moved in to my mums for a while. I was living in London. I now live in the Republic of Ireland with my girlfriend. It’s going great!”

            I’m reluctant to believe any story you throw out at me on basis of your behavior and maturity level. However, just for the sake if you are telling the truth, then I’d say congrats, and wish you the best of luck. Perhaps, with a girlfriend on your arm, you should focus more on your life with her and a bit less on what people feel about your favorite company. Matthew and Merry_blind didn’t deserve any of your condescending remarks at the slightest. Might be a good idea to learn some civility.;P

          • David Trail

            I don’t own a PS4 fool lol!

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Uh huh. That’s not what your photo showed last time. Or are you going to try to photoshop it and upload to cover up your many fibs? Not that I’d want you to show that pic again, man….those walls.

          • David Trail

            I don’t live with my mum or brother any more. I could use it as if it was mine when I lived there but now I live in Ireland. I currently own a Wii U and PS Vita. I have no intention of buying a PS4 anytime soon.

          • thedeciderU

            the characters are kind of generic. they look like nickelodeon leftovers, and from what i’ve seen so far, they’re not that memorable.

          • David Trail

            Name some games with characters like this? 10 please then you can say they are generic.

          • thedeciderU

            no, absolutely not. it’s my opinion and the opinion of others that they are somewhat forgettable, non-specific, and common in their appearance.

            it’s not a knock to you or nintendo.

            aesthetically, if the characters were in a cartoon show, it’d probably be a show i wouldn’t be interested in. on the other hand, i’m really looking forward to playing this game, but the characters just look kind of meh. i like that they’re very colorful though.

          • Merry_Blind

            Shut up David.

          • David Trail

            I know him from previous posts. He always has negative and false things to say about Nintendo.

          • Merry_Blind

            I know him, and you, from previous posts too, and I don’t consider him a troll at all.

          • David Trail

            Then you don’t know the meaning of a troll or what a troll is.

          • Merry_Blind

            Sure…

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            He does apparently, and right now, you fit the bill with your snide remarks. 😛

          • David Trail

            Cough, cough!

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Thanks for proving my point. ;P

          • David Trail

            What point that you are the biggest troll on Wii U Daily?

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Someone sounds mad. Though, with how you’ve been running rampage against anyone who doesn’t like everything Nintendo does, it’s clear who is the bigger troll on Wii U Daily, and I’m conversing with it. Keep up the snide remarks Davey, it only strengthens my words that much more. 😛

          • David Trail

            Mad you are Daniel Fail.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            He’s basically pro Nintendo, and anything that’s disliked about Nintendo, is a sin. Sad life if you ask me Lol.

          • David Trail

            You’re pro Sony and hate on Nintendo. Sad life if you ask me.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Disliking things that Nintendo does, isn’t at all hate on Nintendo. If I was pro Sony, I’d defend anything they do, which I don’t, so it’s a good try, Davey, but you fall short once again. That’s a sadder life, if you ask me, especially coming from a gamer who can’t take time out of his day to clean up his place. It’s wise to give up and accept your defeat. ;P

          • David Trail

            Lies Daniel and you know it.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Denial must really be hard for you to break from, eh Davey boy? ;P

          • David Trail

            Not really I’m not denying anything.

        • Merry_Blind

          Yeah, maybe just changing their outfits would help. The ‘everyday kid’ t-shirts and running shoes are kind of lame…

          • David Trail

            Hardly generic though.

          • Merry_Blind

            Actually very generic… Just like an average CoD soldier is a generic soldier. Sure it’s kind of the point of the game, to look ‘realistic’, but I prefer a Master Chief mech-mutant-badass over a beige padded soldier. Just like I would prefer the kids in Splatoon to look more squid-like colorful fucked up mutants or something, not just kids with squid-ish hair.

          • David Trail

            See exactly the way you described it is far from generic. You just don’t like the design. Probably because it isn’t a generic soldier.

          • Merry_Blind

            What? I just said I don’t like the ‘generic soldiers’ you mentioned, and now I don’t like Splatoon characters’ design because they’re not generic soldiers? That doesn’t make any sense.

          • David Trail

            Exactly what you are saying doesn’t make sense. If the Splatoon characters are so generic I challenge you to find 5 other games that look cartoony and that can transform in to squids.

            You don’t like the design fair enough but the Splatoon characters are far from generic.

          • Merry_Blind

            We are precisely talking about their character designs. Not the game concepts. Maybe that explains why your edgy replies are so out of place.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I don’t think half of his replies here on a regular basis, are even in place.

          • David Trail

            That sentence doesn’t even make sense Daniel Troll. Please try again.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            It makes perfect sense when looking at all your ramblings above. It doesn’t make sense to you, because denial is a horrible disease. Do try again, David Fail. ;P

          • David Trail

            Not really Daniel Fail.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Yep, really, David Fail. Originality I can see isn’t your strength. This is where I’ll leave you know my poor misguided friend. You’re obviously out of material, little as that was, and I don’t want you to get more upset than you are now. Take care now, and try to do push yourself to clean up a bit more. 🙂

          • David Trail

            Where I live now is really tidy. That was my mums house. Remember if you do t want to seem like the odd one out aka a troll go to PS4 daily.

          • David Trail

            The character designs aren’t generic either. How many cartoon soldier designs are there?

          • matthew garcia

            Yeah maybe adding more gear to the character. You know just little added details

          • David Trail

            This is how you know it isn’t generic lol.

          • Brandon

            For some odd reason there design reminds me of KND the cartoon from cartoon network.

          • Merry_Blind

            I don’t know what that is… I’m from Quebec, Canada, I speak french, so I didn’t watch the cartoon network, I watched equivalent french networks.

          • Bowsah

            He’s talking about a cartoon called “Codename: Kids Next Door.” It was basically about some kids that went on their own missions and stuff, but they didn’t like adults and never wanted to grow up themselves.

            If you just do a Google search on “KND” or “Kids Next Door” you’ll see why the models of Splatoon remind him of that show.

      • thedeciderU

        yeah, i personally would be fine with it being mario or not, but haters would just continue to bitch about it being a rehash, even though it’s an entirely NEW gameplay experience. but i’m cool with it not being mushroom kingdom characters or other existing IP – let’s see what this new game brings to the table. i’m excited for this one.

        but yes, the character designs need work.

        • Merry_Blind

          Right on!

      • Divaitiie!

        I want Samus in it instead of Mario.
        Just my opinion XD.

    • I think the squids make great sense. Being able to disappear into the ink and pop up where ever is a mechanic that wouldn’t really make sense for Mario or any of the other characters from Nintendo’s franchises.

  • simkenno

    I’m delighted that they choose not to feature Mario 🙂

    It shows Nintendo know exactly what they are doing and they do know the importance of new ips.

    Also know that Nintendo include Dlc they could have Mario in the game in future if they wanted.

    Just look at the glorious Mario kart 8 dlc as an example 🙂

    • Nintendo is making some very ood moves. maybe not for the present but for their next generation

  • bistricky

    I am sure there was plenty of ideas far worse, then Mario for Splatoon ….
    For example ….
    “robble robble” ……. lol
    😀

    • Ducked

      So much nostalgia

  • Ducked

    I would’ve preferred playing as Mii’s

    • David Trail

      Maybe there will be an option in the final game, who knows? Many Nintendo games let you play as a mii.

      • Ducked

        I hope they do.

    • Justin Carlson

      I agree. It would be neat to play ass your Mii and have your friends as theirs. That way it’s super easy to identify who you are inking and you inked you.

      • Merry_Blind

        I love playing ass.

    • Oni

      Never know, Mii’s might end up being an option in the final game

      • palomino blue

        Yeah I don’t think that’s out of question right now.

    • Viktor Araujo

      Mii ware is more related to casual gamers and core gamers don’t regonize them as good games.

      Besides, Mii instead of Mario would be stupid. It is either something new or a strong char like Mario to drive sales.

      • A – Kuma

        a “core” gamer can recognize a good game when they see one. you must be talking about those dudebros that play CoD and Madden all the time

    • iamserious

      I sure it will be added into this game. Too good not to.

  • URFTBOUND4LIFE .

    I’m glad because people would just write it off as “another Mario game”

    and not count it as a new IP

    • Superxtreme

      Precisely!

    • Oni

      My exact words

    • nf_zeta

      yep even though it plays like no other mario, IPs are now defined by their character and not gameplay/story.

      • darkcreap

        Agreed. It is very stupid to say, for instance, that Mario Kart is another Mario game just because it portrays Mario.

  • Superxtreme

    Keeping Mario out of this game was a good decision in my opinion because that presents this game as a new IP, which is the main reason this game got the attention that it did.

  • Sdudyoy

    Although the Squids kinda creep me out design wise, I’m glad they chose them over existing IP’s.

    • palomino blue

      I don’t think they are quite as creepy as using Mario and having him melt into the ink, though I can’t say I’m a fan of the character design.

  • anthony optimo

    I would like to see the calamari take the lead and Mario be a secret character.

  • rp17

    I’m a huge Mario fan but I probably wouldn’t buy this game if it starred him…

    • Petri

      there should be a coop, or 1v4 mode where fat guy resembling Mario would run around with water cannon and can wash out the ink and squids.

      • Korv13

        That would be an interesting use of Mario!

      • majora :D

        Why the *$%& are you not working on Nintendo right now?

    • URFTBOUND4LIFE .

      Mario: I JUST CLEANED THIS ISLAND…!!!!

    • Divaitiie!

      OH LOL. That’s so awesome!
      I wish we will have princess Peach tho.

  • iamserious

    So glad they chose the squids over Mario! I love Mario but this game looks great without him. No need to over use your main IP just create a new one.

  • Dodge Pribyl

    It’s a case of ‘Damned if you do, damned if you don’t”.

    If they made the main character Mario, they’d get more sales, due to it being an established character. But, certain publications and trolls would write it off as a rehash because it featured Mario.

    But, if they made it a new IP, they’d get the hype of a new IP announcement, but casual gamers who don’t follow the gaming industry would just look at it as an odd game on Wii U. They might not even though it’s made by Nintendo.

    Anyway, I’m happy they chose the uncertain path. It shows Nintendo’s willing to take risks.

    • darkcreap

      If Nintendo markets it right, the fact that the character is not Mario will not be important. You have to show them the funny things you can do with it. In this sense, Mario Kart TV has been a great addition, because it helps you to remenber those hilarious moments playing Mario Kart. You know, that instant in which you throw a red shell to the player just before he/she finishes the race and you overtake them.

  • FutureFox

    Nintendo has as a serious Mario complex going on. They need to make decisions like this. Its the equivalent of not allowing your star sports player to rest and let your rookies to shine.

  • Daniel Gonzalez

    I think Mario is in enough games already, Nintendo. Give it a rest.

    • David Trail

      Another troll post from Daniel Troll.

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        Another angry comment, from an angry fanboy. ;P

        • David Trail

          I’m not angry but you sound angry : D

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            With all your obvious hate towards those who aren’t pro Nintendo, it’s clear who is the angry one. ;P

          • David Trail

            No you must be extremely angry being a Sony/ Playstation fan on a Nintendo website. Go back to PS4 Daily you might be happier with all the news about last gen ports and inferior pc ports.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Nice assumption, but it has no facts to it unforunately for you. The fact that you are the only one flying off the handle at any comment you dislike that doesn’t show pro Nintendo, speaks volumes of extreme anger. 😛

          • David Trail

            Oh really Danielle?

      • Divaitiie!

        I don’t think he was trolling. He’s just said his own honest opinion out in a very respectable way. Also, he’s kinda right, I love Mario, and I know He’s the mascot of Nintendo … but that doesn’t mean they have to feature him in every fucking games, why not put Samus or Peach instead ? After all, the game is full of girls, a Main/Lead character like Bounty Hunter and/or a Princess would fit pretty well with the game, it’s also bringing in a new fresh theme and experience.

    • A – Kuma

      they did…?

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        Yes, I commend them for refraining this time. However, they considered making Mario the protagonist in the game, which basically a sign they aren’t over it just yet. I look forward to the future and see what comes next.

        • David Trail

          You act as if Nintendo make no new ips Daniel. Do a bit of research and you might be surprised.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I’m fully aware that they do new IP. Of course, that wasn’t the point of my comment, right? The point was, they considered adding in Mario, which shows that they weren’t too confident at first to make an IP without Mario being the focus. It helps to understand what is being said, rather than assuming things, that weren’t even applied. You can do it, Davey. ;P

          • Cocomajobo

            Of course there were some internal discussions about who the protagonist should be or what the theme should be or whatever. Those discussions always occur when a project is being kicked around. The important part is that they had the belief in the idea and the guts to let splatoon be it’s own new thing. That is a very encouraging sign for the future.

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  • Chase U

    I would’ve been okay with this being a Mario-character “Call of Duty” -type game. Would have been interesting to see…

    • thedeciderU

      yes!

    • Divaitiie!

      Call of Splatoons.

  • darkcreap

    I couldn’t agree more. Nintendo is very mascot oriented. It provided and provides brand recognition, but it also can create an “everything is Mario” situation. A lot of Nintendo deterrants claim that everything is Mario despite Mario 3D World and Mario Kart beeing completely different games with completely different mechanics. Same applies with Smash Bros. I think it will be positive in the long term for Nintendo to create “icons” different to Mario.

  • purple

    I love Nintendo games. But a lot of games they make would be if they didnt throw a mario skin on everything. For example I think Mario galaxy would have been cool if they had made it a new character instead of mario. Think about it. Would have made a new series due to the mechanics.

    • CapnCrumbles436

      I agree, but would it sell as well?? Likely not. Kids freak when they see Mario. We judge a game by its merits.

      • thedeciderU

        *pees pants*

  • Des

    Mario (Sunshine) DLC anyone?

  • David Trail

    I can just imagine Mario Sunshine levels in the game as unlockables or DLC.

  • CapnCrumbles436

    No! No more Mario, no.

    • David Trail

      Another wild troll appears.

  • allvalve

    I’m glad they decided to make a new IP. I think the fact that Wii U is destined to be a disappointment sales wise should give Nintendo the room to use the platform as a testing ground. Release lots of new IP, see what works and carry that over to the next machine, dump anything that doesn’t do well. Much like the Gamecube, now that the Wii U isn’t going to be the smash hit everyone hoped, Nintendo can experiment without the fear of putting people off.

  • Nicolas Dorion

    Damnit no!
    “anybody would be willing to touch it as soon as we announced that we had the new Mario game”
    That is sooooo not true

  • Christian Schoff

    I could dig a game mode where Mario goes against a squid.

  • TheSpeedymouse

    Awesome! I wonder if they might make Mario as a DLC character though. I don’t care either way. 😉 Mario fans already have Mario Maker to look forward to. 🙂

    • David Trail

      And Mario and Donkey Kong, Captain Toad, Yoshi’s Wolly Yarn.

  • LordiMcKill

    Anybody else glad it wasn’t?

    • Divaitiie!

      No. I would love to see Mario or other game characters in it like Samus or Fox Mcloud.

  • Rinslowe

    Yep. Glad they didn’t.

  • Kenshin0011

    I am glad we get a new IP, though in this case I still get tinges of familiarity with Super Mario Sunshine. Maybe they can add a mode to single player where Mario is the bad guy (just like in the old days) and trys to get rid of all your paint with flood!

  • Divaitiie!

    SUPER SMASH SPLATOON CONFIRMED!
    FUCK YEAH !!!!!!!!

  • TomDobo

    I bet every first party dev that develops exclusively for Nintendo go through this stage. Mario is over used on Nintendo products.

  • paulthevgking

    I’m pretty sure almost everybody shit their pants when they saw the icon for the article

  • SolarShane13

    Why couldn’t Nintendo just make Miis the primary models? The character models just re-enforce the “kiddie” image 🙁

    Plus, Miis haven’t had that many “dedicated” games on the Wii U, with the only being Wii Party U, I think. Having their own unique squid shooter would have brought Miis into the mainstream, so to say.

    • Bowsah

      You forgot Nintendo Land. 😛

      But yeah I agree. I think Nintendo should have made Mii’s be the characters. The models look so….like you said, “kiddie.” And the models aren’t exactly that interesting to look at. And why kids? Why not cartoon looking adults? And instead of paint being the “ammunition” it could be those Nerf Rifle darts or whatever or just toy guns in general.

      In fact, I think it would have been better if the game was centered around toys instead of people. That way, you could have toys with toy guns and weapons fighting each other.

  • Arthur Jarret

    Didn’t they say this at the treehouse@E3 already?

  • john

    It’s fine that they decided not to put Mario in the game, but question… How come there’s not a Mario Sunshine game that looks like that render yet?????

  • Nickos Foivos

    Happy they did not!