Nintendo has been struggling to get major third party publishers and developers on board the Wii U train. With the exception of Ubisoft, no other major publisher has supported the Wii U with their latest and greatest games. So far, Wii U’s momentum and sales have been driven by Nintendo and their own solid Wii U games lineup. Nintendo games have dominated the Wii U games charts — even Ubisoft, arguably the biggest third party Wii U supporter, had less than 5% of its sales come from the Wii U, despite putting out half a dozen Wii U games in the first year alone. “Nintendo carries some of the blame. They have consistently marketed the Wii U to kids” That’s not a good sign. A worse sign is that developers overall seem to have moved on from the Wii U to the next gen and mobile platforms. At this year’s Game Developers Conference, only 4% responded that they will be developing for the Wii U this year. Even if GDC is historically indie and mobile-focused, 4% is still a bad sign. The Wii U is still a “novel” device in the eyes of many publishers. Gamers buy the Wii U to play Mario, Zelda, and Pikmin. Those gamers likely have a secondary console (or PC) that’s better suited for hardcore action games such as Call of Duty and Battlefield. Nintendo carries some of the blame as well. They have consistently marketed the Wii U to kids, while the console market now prefers blockbuster action titles — just look at Nintendo’s Wii U Holiday 2013 TV commercials. The commercials are meant to convince parents to buy their kids a Wii U. When Nintendo believes that their target audience are housewives who are going to buy the console for their kids, how can anyone expect third party publishers of big action games to support such a console? “The Wii U version Splinter Cell Blacklist accounted for just 2% of overall sales. It’s even worse for Call of Duty Ghosts, whose Wii U numbers accounted for just 0.3%.” Third party publishers today are very focused on big-budget, triple-A action games, which tend to sell well and deliver the greatest profits. Games such as Battlefield, Call of Duty, GTA, and Splinter Cell. The few of those games that have been released on the Wii U have been complete flops. The Wii U version Splinter Cell Blacklist accounted for just 2% of overall sales. It’s even worse for Call of Duty Ghosts, whose Wii U numbers accounted for just 0.3%. Third party publishers are simply not getting any return of investment on their games. EA dropped the new Need For Speed game on the Wii U after Most Wanted did poorly. Even indie developers are losing on the Wii U: Toki Tori 2 developer Two Tribes had to close down after bad Wii U sales (the game was exclusive to the Wii U and PC). Two Tribes was betting big on the Wii U and lost. The fact of the matter is, it’s not financially feasible for third parties to support the Wii U. Nintendo carries some of the blame in how they’re targeting mainly kids, but Wii U owners are partially to blame. We all love to speak up about the lack of third party support on the Wii U, but the fact of the matter is, when third parties like Ubisoft do release games on the Wii U, we rarely buy them. We buy the Wii U to play great Nintendo games, but it’s unknown if Nintendo will be able to support an entire console with first party games only. local_offer EA Nintendo ubisoft wii u stars Further Reading Nintendo: Switch owners can expect more suppo Nintendo loses patent appeal, ordered to pay RyuNoHadouken Wii U=fail, Wii U owners=all talk, no action. Bob Singh Am I missing something? What “action” can the Wii U owners take? RyuNoHadouken buy games other than mario and pikmin…theres almost 6 million registered owners and games arent selling well? thats crazy…even if half buy every good game, that would be great Jeremy Jones Wi iu owners dont buy (most) 3rd party games because their usually glitchy, incomplete, missing co op, no dlc, ect… Jon I own over 10 Wii u retail game and a vast amount of eshop indie games…. I know several people the same way Christian Schoff Dude you’re a freaking idiot. greengecko007 Much articulate, such discussion. Triforcelightning I see nothing wrong in his statement. It’s apt. greengecko007 You don’t see anything wrong with responding to a reasonable post by calling someone an idiot? Well… Triforcelightning You think RyuNoHadoken’s comment is a “reasonable post”? greengecko007 “buy games other than mario and pikmin…theres almost 6 million registered owners and games arent selling well? thats crazy…even if half buy every good game, that would be great” I can’t see anything wrong with this that warrants such an immature response. Just in case you have this in mind though, “Wii U=fail, Wii U owners=all talk, no action.” Which wasn’t what was responded to, but sure, it’s less articulate and close to simple bashing, but it’s hardly anything against the rules. Grayson Tech What if we don’t like these games….? Daniel Gonzalez Then less sales for Wii U I guess. Grayson Tech Most Nintendo fans buy 1st Party games because it’s just what appeals to them most. Daniel Gonzalez Yep, pretty much. That’s the problem unfortunately. 3rd parties notice that, and eventually give up or don’t bother with Nintendo consoles. Grayson Tech Exactly, I still pay attention to 3rd party, but against Nintendo games – they’re incomparable. Daniel Gonzalez It’s a matter of opinion on what games are incomparable and better quality. Most Nintendo fans over the years have bought mostly nothing but Nintendo, so naturally, they have high standards. Even the best third party that may come to their console, and sales have come up short. So I believe that it’s going to be a trend that will last for years to come. Only chance that third parties have of getting Nintendo console owners to buy their products, is if Nintendo addresses these problems and puts out some clever ads to convince fans to do so. If that don’t work, then I don’t really know what will. Lol. darkcreap “Only chance that third parties have of getting Nintendo console owners to buy their products, is if Nintendo addresses these problems and puts out some clever ads to convince fans to do so. If that don’t work, then I don’t really know what will” Yep, agreed on that. I am one of the few guys with a Nintendo console who also buys 3rd party software. Nintendo need to tell their own fans to try and diversify their likes. I have been trying myself to diversify my likes and explore not only non-Nintendo games, which I had done years before as I had a PC, but also by trying new genres I don’t usually touch. gerb1977 Actually software sales for Wii U have been fairly strong as is the attachment rate despite the lacking userbase so we are buying something. My U came with Nintendoland, I have W101, Lego City, Disney Infinity, SMB3DW, Just Dance, and Zombie U as well as a list of eShop games. I buy what my kids and I will play. I don’t care who makes the game. RyuNoHadouken i can dig it, but none of the games you mentioned have anything to do with the topic at hand Bob Singh ahh. great point. I thought I was the only one buying COD on Wii U. I’m tired of people saying “People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games” change that attitude, and the Wii U will be fine RyuNoHadouken i loved BLOPS2 on Wii U…best version to me…too bad it didnt have any map packs dlc Bob Singh Yeah it was fun. It would have been even more awesome if we got the dlc! Triforcelightning Show me the 3rd party game that is on par with Nintendo’s efforts and then we can talk about the lack of action being taken. Jeremy Jones I knew it was a john kingsley article just from the title 😛 SolarGalaxa LOL. But, seriously, this is one of his only articles that speaks the truth, and the truth is that people only buy Wii U for Nintendo games, and probably do have a PS4 or XB1 for third party. (Hell, I only bought the Wii U for Nintendo games; however I am a fan of some indie and third party games. LBP series, Cloudberry Kingdom, etc) Nintendofreak actually i have a pc for third party, a wiiu for nintendo n a ps3 just cause Fred They don’t buy it only for Nintendo games, but they do just buy a certain type of game. Games like Sonic, Scribblenauts, and Rayman Legends fit well with the Wii U while games like Splinter Cell, Call of Duty and Watch Dogs won’t sell worth a hill of beans on Wii U (yes I’m calling it the Wii U version of Watch Dogs, assuming it actually happens, won’t sell enough copies to even pay the cost of porting it) A Game like Minecraft, however, would sell very well on Wii U and yet I can’t explain why it isn’t going to happen. androsje I’m the exception, I bought the ZombiU special edition and the only games I own are CoD Ghosts, Assassin’s Creed 3 and ZombiU. Magnus Eriksson Yeah, its old news too. Everyone had abandoned this sinking ship in May 2013. Deadpool U And everyone stopped taking you seriously long before that. Magnus Eriksson Its still true. Everything I have stated on this page was true, everything you said was wrong. As the matter of fact you never had one single correct prediction, not even once. You are the one who shouldnt be taken serious 🙂 DarkYoshi I think it was a great article, actually describing WHY the situation is as it is. I feel like the readers get a little too attatched to Ashley, and has established this anti-kinsley thing. I also like the new design of the articles 🙂 Daniel Gonzalez It’s because she’s more optimistic than John is with articles. They identify with her more, but also because they just wanna hear the good news, and pretend bad news doesn’t exist. So John takes the heat, and I give him credit for taking it so well. 🙂 rafael yeah, but believing the wii u is not going to get back third party support eventually, does not make u imediately a realist…unless you cant tell the diference between hyphotesis and reality Daniel Gonzalez Well I’m not the one who says they won’t get third party at all, because that would be a bit much. It is realistic to believe that they won’t get that much of it. That’s been the reality of it for the last few generations. It’s tough to disagree with that. Capt. Smoker I’m not to keen on Ashley, it’s either a non article or a copy and paste from other sources article, John for the most part seems pretty neutral towards Nintendo and the others, so we are most likely to respect a fair article that’s all about how it is, no smoke, mirrors or excuses. Daniel Gonzalez I feel that way too. It’s nothing personal between the two writers. I feel John at least gives the site a little diversity that I think the site lacks. gtosheex he probably predicted a while back that you would always be a dick – so far it looks like he’s correct on that one =P Magnus Eriksson Yeah, well I dont care if you, him or anyone else call me a dick. Truth is much more important, and I have shown you the truth from the beginning. You should be grateful. Capt. Smoker Smokey thinks your a dick and appreciates you for it, least you and Daniel see a bad situation for whatit is. Gustaf Molin Magnus – Kan du inte bli lite mer elitistisk? gtosheex are you saying you are that “truthteller” dude?!? i guess i could see the similarities… Daniel Gonzalez Anyone who has a Deadpool group shouldn’t be taken serious, if you wanna use that logic. I see many people still responding harshly to his comments, so looks like you only speak for yourself. Then again, you responded negatively as well, so looks like you did too. ;P Deadpool U I also don’t take you seriously either so whatever. Daniel Gonzalez Thank you for proving my point. <3 jjbredesen Lets watch the fanboys attack you XD, nah people only buy Nintendo systems for 1 or 2 reasons, the 1st party titles, and the innovation in there consoles when there consoles have new stuff, like the Wiimote. But i don’t buy 3rd party tiltes on Wii U, because they are worse versions missing stuff, if devs gave me a complete game i would buy it on Wii U, its common sense, but devs don’t give us something we want, because we can get better versions other places. And then we have the fact, that Wii U is marketed at children, and children (young ones) don’t buy COD, AC etc. Thats more what teens buy, and they are all over PS4 and Xbone… The article has some truth in it, not sure if all publishers have left Wii U, but only time will tell. Magnus Eriksson True, but its understandable that third parties doesnt want to bet on the Wii U. Its simply not good enough. I dont understand why Nintendo continues to make consoles, they are not good enough. Much better if they went third party. Relick Much better for you, maybe, but the gaming industry as a whole would suffer. Magnus Eriksson No, they wouldnt. Daniel Gonzalez Not really. Just like when Sega went down, another one will take its place. Sure, they’ll be missed to those who loved their consoles, but life will go on in the industry and fans will adapt. Relick When Sega went down there were already competitors on the market to snap up the position they had. I see no such competitors for Nintendo’s position right now. In addition, look at the quality of recent games from Sega. They are piss poor because they have no console to work for and their sales are low. I’d much rather Nintendo sold all their IP off to Sony/Microsoft (and/I guess Valve now); and tried again in the console market without their IP; than continue 3rd party. sd As I said above they $6 billion in available cash and bonds. They could release 2 more consoles, and both could fail without being at risk of collapsing the company. This is probably what is making them so arrogant. sd Nintendo have so much money they are nowhere near going down. They have $6 billion in freely available cash and bonds. Maybe that’s their problem and explains their arrogance. I recently saw an article stating they could run at a huge loss for about 20 years without even needing to raise any capital. Thats why the Wii U game situation is so annoying. Just pay people to make games, its not like they dont have the money. Capt. Smoker I wish they would, fair enough, people don’t buy most 3rd party multiplatform games but many will buy the exclusives, as it’s usually a game suited to the system, they seem to just expect 3rd party to come back, they address the issue and do nothing about it, I don’t think they will come back, they don’t have any reason to come back, money talks however and Nintendo have plenty to talk about in this area Daniel Gonzalez Or stick to handhelds. Dallas Gooch I agree about third parties but not that Nintendo consoles aren’t good enough recent console have been good enough including the Wii U it’s just Nintendo just doesn’t always utilize it to it’s full potential. That and garbage marketing. You have kids in the very few advertisements they put out then nobody is going to take you seriously. sd Its a very good console, but it has a poor line up of game releases. Sure there are some great games, but they are only released every couple of months. Orange Lada “Its simply not good enough” is simply not true. Development is driven by economics. The other systems (along with PCs) continue to use legacy x86 technology, which economically makes it easier to provide a good version on those systems. However, x86 is old technology, and is far less efficient and effective than what is on the Wii U, but native Wii U apps are very, very good, and the technology hasn’t been pushed. The problem is economics though. Why develop a native Wii U app, for 5+ million consoles, when you can develop an X86 app that covers 20 times that in consoles, excluding even the PCs? It is all economics. sd The Wii u is a great console. So much better than the Wii, but unfortunately I think its pretty much game over now that Nintendo have once again delayed all of their games for this year. Deadpool U Same here you know what I’ll go to twitch plays Pokémon Crystal till we get actual news. Daniel Gonzalez Pardon me, just waving bye. Grayson Tech What about the ‘Opinion’ part? Daniel Gonzalez They appear to have missed that part. Seeing that it’s written by John Kinsley, I’m not surprised. Luciano I don’t waste ma-precious time reading articles about the lack of 3rd party games,I’ve a lot of games to complete like DKCTF and Prof. Layton series. Just get over through this 😉 Cody McKrell So you just waste your time commenting about things you didnt read, then? Luciano It’s not about don’t read the article,it’s about show how to don’t give a fuck to 3rd party games,as they don’t give a fuck to the Wii U players as well. –Wii U– 1-Injustice God Among Us: Didn’t receive the defintiive DLC 2-Sniper: Poor port version 3-Batman: Didn’t receive DLC (they have refunded all the customers remeber?) 4-F1 Race Stars Powered Edition (doesn’t have online multiplayer) 5-Splinter Cell Blacklist (lack of some online features) 6-Deus EX Human Revolution (GamePad funtionalities ported to others plataforms *Was GamePad a fuckin’ tablet???*) 7-Rayman Legends (Even being the definitive edition,the game had taken so much time to be released,downgrading the HYPE to play,and not exclusive anymore) That’s the point,I don’t give a little bit of a fuck to 3rd party games,Nintendo make Luciano like this,I only accept the best,not this kind of “support” and complains about the “Poor machine Power” from Wii U. Daniel Gonzalez Then why are you commenting on said article? Lol. Luciano As I said,even as a Nintendo fanboy,I recognize the bad situation of Wii U,and 3rd party games at this point won’t save him as “system seller”. Only Nintendo has the Power to rise Wii U to the surface again,with Mario Kart 8,Super Smash Bros,Hyrule Warriors,Yoshi Yarn and much more… And don’t give a fuck anymore to 3rd party games,I won’t buy a Nintendo console to play a disgusting PC game like Call of Duty 5 or Battlefield 8… ¬¬’ sd I didn’t think Prof Layton was a Wii U game. No one is questioning the support on the 3DS, just the Wii U. Luciano Oh my friend,you’ve discovered the America…haha Even as a Nintendo Fanboy,I know the lack of games in Wii U,so after the DKCTF I’m going to Layton series. Abort Mission “I-i h-have Wii U games gaiz” WolfgangAmadeusMozart And I love how the title says “finally” Magnus Eriksson Thats kind of trollish yes 😀 Daniel Gonzalez Yep. This report did its job and riled up the Nintendo fans as usual. 🙂 Arthur Jarret Rabble rabble rabble Nope.avi Yeah, third parties abandoned ship sometime middle last year, all we have currently is ubisoft, sega, and activision Capt. Smoker He’s not wrong though, it’s pretty dead right now, open your eyes and look for yourself, no 3rd party in sight, nothing note worthy anyway, Nintendo have to do something about it, even if it means, asking for stuff like Sony do with Vita 3rd party, we can’t afford to let the situation get worse. JVAN63 No kidding He would add “Finally” as if it’s what he’s been waiting for. That word is not necessary. kevin nun—- No Jake Nintendo has some to blame but look at the Wii U launch. It had CoD Black Ops and Assassins creed and Batman and Nintendo had targeted Wii U for a more hardcore audience but did just as bad as it did in 2013. It’s safe to say Wii U does not have the install base for these games. That is why 3rd party does not support Nintendo. Also, Nintendo started to target Wii U for casuals for this holidays b/c they could not compete with XB1 and PS4. Nothing wrong with that. Mr Ninty it should be said that wiiu owners like me wanted to buy games like splinter cell to have atleast some impact in the sales of the wiiu version. but the wiiu version is incomplete because its missing the coop mode. so of course i bought the 360version because thats the one that was complete. and this accounts for many more games from 3shit developers, yes we would like to buy your games, but only if the are complete nin-10-doughfan are you reading developers! abe the only thing the wii u versions lost was splitscreen but that was hobbled even on 360 where player 2 couldnt use a profile readypembroke I can on Blacklist for 360! maneauleau I am sorry but the Two Tribes studio closing has nothing to do with Wii U. They even said they were actually quite happy with the Wii U sales. Brandon I stopped taking them seriously after they cancelled the PROMISED level editor & they even showed a FUCKING TRAILER TOO!!! 🙁 maneauleau Well, the fact that they got in financial trouble certainly excuse them for that. And if you remember as a compensation for a while, they offered the game on Steam to Wii U owners. Brandon that was not a excuse and 2 steam is not a way to make it up cunt. you cant fix a gimped game! >=( Brandon I also hope you cunts realized that wii u will NEVER get the level editor now & the fucking sad thing is that people bought toki tori 2 on wii u for the promised level editor & for no good fucking reason two tribes screws over nintendo fans. I was going to buy two tribes games but you know what? I’M FUCKING SKIPPING IT! >=( Shaise Yes, Nintendo is the blame for the “Great Drought of 2013” Now they are suffering the “Treaty of 3rd party cap”. Ubisoft is likely to soon, stop supporting. All because the current Nintendo government has only marketed to kids, and released a next gen system early, without even thinking of consequences. Noah COD selling poorly on the U is a good thing. It means Wii U users have good taste. SolarGalaxa Good taste by screwing the third parties over completely? Yeah, that really tastes good. *vomits* Daniel Gonzalez Yeah, that was a fanboy comment. Agreed. Grayson Tech Good tastes by buying third party games that are actually good? greengecko007 It’s a trend that’s likely going to keep continuing. Nintendo just can’t get it right with 3rd party developers and publishers. N64 – Nintendo held onto catridges, which 3rd parties didn’t like Gamecube – Was a powerful console, but Nintendo used there own specialized mini discs which made developing different from the PS2 and Xbox, and the console had a very small install base compared to previous consoles. Wii – Had a high install base, which gave hope to developers looking for a quick buck by making cheap games, but the weaker hardware turned away more important developers making AAA games. Wii U – If a weaker console with a high install base can’t get most 3rd parties on board, then a weaker console with a small install base definitely won’t. There’s also the slight misconception that if a developer doesn’t incorporate the gamepad, fans will be out for blood. For everything Nintendo does right, it seems like they do something that just doesn’t make sense. Shaise The NES and SNES did great for 3rd party. Why??? Surprising, some people’d blame most things on the current Iwata regime, but 3rd party lack is something that may span, even for a mistake in the Yamauchi era. greengecko007 I’m not a fan of Iwata, but the lack of 3rd party support definitely isn’t all his fault, and is the result of practices that have been going on for years in Nintendo with console development. Magnus Eriksson They had a different competitor then. And look at SEGAs strategies… Josh111111 “A worse sign is that developers overall seem to have moved on from the Wii U to the next gen and mobile platforms.” See the problem is even Nintendo fans aren’t referring to be Wii U as “next gen.” It technically is part of the next generation (aka current gen) regardless of its “power.” abe i get what you mean but that not how gens work. power is nothing to do with what Gen it is. No console is ‘Next Gen’ when it hits the market ETeach Always a joy to read a John article. Nathan Minsk Here’s the thing. The whole idea of the WiiU is that games made by 3rd parties should be exclusive to and/or designed around the specialties of the console. With the nature of these third party companies, they really can’t do this for their big budget games. Therefore, the multiplatform games that actually make it to the WiiU are stripped down versions of the game on other consoles, giving people, including myself, absolutely NO reason to buy any of these games for WiiU. In order for 3rd party games to hold their own on the WiiU, they have to be designed specifically for the device. Unfortunately, no developers really want to do this, considering the abysmal hardware sales. At this point the only people who can really save the console are Nintendo developers. IF SUCCESSFUL, which I’m not too certain Nintendo will be, then the console would be saved. tl;dr devs put in little effort, get little returns. more consoles sold might = more 3rd party effort John Aguilera I blame the developers for making shitty games I don’t want to purchase. Will W Well, if you make a game that appeals to only one audience… SolarGalaxa Titles that you probably purchase for XB1 or PS4. Matthew garcia Your forgetting that the console and 1st party games are selling like crap. Dk is a good game but it flopped. Nintendo and nintendo fans are to blame Ac7iVe In what way did DK flop? it sold 250k+ in a week n a half and that’s not including digital downloads Stephen Macneil He was expecting GTA numbers… Don’t argue with the uninformed. Stephen Macneil I don’t get how 250k sold so far is considered a flop. Matthew garcia Considering that’s the best it can d for a 1st party title yes it flopped. Gta5 did 7 million in one day. Xbox and ps3 split those sales u do the math Daniel Gonzalez Very true. For a Nintendo game, I expect higher sales than that. It does show that Wii U is losing its audience. Darkness Well that is GTA…. Dallas Gooch The Wii U audience unfortunately doesn’t have much to look forward to…There are good looking games coming out but they’re so far apart. I’m a huge Nintendo fan and even my patience running thin… Stephen Macneil Are you serious comparing GTA numbers to DK? Come back to reality… That is ludicrous. If DK gets 2 mill sales in its lifetime it’s a hit. Daniel Gonzalez True, it’ll be a hit. Just not a big seller. That’s not ludicrous considering GTA games sell over time as well. Arthur Jarret It’s a major hit, especially if you jump when the end-stage barrel shows DK and you mash ZL and ZR (or y and x if you use the noob controls) Dallas Gooch To be fair GTA is a universally popular series. There aren’t many games you could even compare to GTA5 in terms of popularity. Even some of the most popular Nintendo games probably wouldn’t be able to touch that amount. cthreep I don’t think anything can be called a flop just 8 days after its release. Maybe in a year you’d be safe to call something either a success or a flop. Noah Honestly, SONY and Microsoft have a such tight grip on the “hardcore,” testosterone-driven audience, it’d be dumb for Nintendo to try to grab a piece of that pie. There’s nothing left to grab. So what do they do? They do what any good business does. They go find a different niche to flourish in. A good niche. A niche that includes Zelda, Mario, Metroid (and even Sonic). I am perfectly fine with that niche. In fact, I prefer it. Grayson Tech Nintendo COULD at least experiment with ‘hardcore’ games, like in first party, to see how it could attract the other crowd and expand the audience, even though I’m not that fond of the idea… Marcus Larsson Finally a group of people with som sense how to make the wii u get popular and geting third partys back! Thumbs up Herman Jacob I completly agree!!! Make a few games like Bayonnetta and X. Start promoting the potential of Wii U (check out some recent articles regarding power, ect) Then as Mario Kart, Smash Bros. and Zelda drive up sales, 3rd party support just might be there!!! Cyberus What if they made some cool exclusive Wii U games like, hmmm, maybe a new episode in the Xeno series with mechs! Or maybe they could get Sega in this, and make Bayonetta 2 exclusive for Wii U. Well, I guess that’s just going overboard lol kayodoc Why blame the WiiU owners? On one side, we want to support the WiiU to encourage 3rd party devs to hop on board. On the other side, we don’t want to pay top dollar for a half finished port for Nintendo… Do these devs not get it? Either develop a quality port or don’t develop at all. Note, this doesn’t apply to all devs. Con Exactly. Why buy a game when its half ass without full Fuckinf DLC Matthew garcia Your wrong cuz even 1st party games are selling poorly. Just look at poor hairy balls donkey Kong Marcus Larsson You all shout about the halfass ports… But how about the few exclusives that didnt get shit for money… Thats why the do cheap fast halfass ports and after that they give up kayodoc Notice how I clearly stated that this doesn’t apply to all devs. The quality titles that a few devs push out don’t sell well due to the poor install base of the WiiU. That problem is for Nintendo to solve through proper advertisement and 1st party games that will sway the purchases of a large crowd. Advertising is HUGE as most people still don’t even know a new Nintendo console exists! 1st party games such as the 3d Marios and Donkey Kong aren’t enough to get people to buy the console, they need something new and big to get this train rollin’. Marcus Larsson Yeah here Nintendo could use some of their 20 billion in savings and market these games, thats the kinda help the third party gets from Microsoft and Sony Carlos Webster Yup. Analysts who are on the Nintendoom train = 3rd parties. Frankie It is laughable how little knowledge people outside of the gaming industry have. Third parties are not supporting Nintendo because of the history they have with Nintendo. Working with Nintendo used to be difficult and Nintendo made devs treat them like they were king. Nintendo made it difficult for devs to work with them and now devs have had enough of Nintendo. Nintendo is changing finally to be more friendly but it is just taking time. Sony had the same problem during the PS2 days and it showed when no one wanted to develop for the PS3 right away. Nintendo can win back third parties, just like Sony did, but it will take time. Sales have nothing to do with it, stop using this as an example to get article hits. Grayson Tech Third parties are not supporting Nintendo because of the history they have with Nintendo. I immediately though Rockstar Games Marcus Larsson Yeah that part was the start for gc etc but stilla third party games dont stand a chance on a Nintendo console when a Mario or Pokémon or Zelda title releases, check vgachartz and youll see that no third party game exclusive or mot didnt even sell half as good as the worst Nintendo exclusive… Even on n64 its been like this so steadily the third party moves ground were THEY were the popular ones, namely Xbox and ps abe the ps3’s 3rd party woes came from the changing a premium for their dev kits. they stopped this after activision said they wouldn’t make cod for ps3. its also why alot of games was ported to ps3 from xbox . so they could by a dev kit as late as possible Jared Garcia Call of Duty sales are pitiful because it’s market towards XBOX. If you look at all the advertising it made for it, you’d realize that. It explains why the Xbox versions received almost 70% of the sales. The same for Assassin’s Creed. Advertising was made for the other next gen consoles. If the Wii U is to be successful, 3rd party companies need to have some sort of advertising for that version. There’s no wonder people don’t know the Wii U version doesn’t exist if there’s no exposure to it. Justis Bistawros Here is the thing people on wiiu arn’t purchasing games like cod ghosts hint hint. Because most people on wiiu are ubsessed with mario etc,and wont give games like cod ghosts which was complete a chance. Do you see there is no store on the wiiu version of cod ghosts because not aloat of wiiu owners are buying it. juan Well maybe if developers made actual good games for wii u like exclusives or actually build the game around wii u and not just put dumb down versions of the game then they will actually sell. Splinter cell had a reputation on wii u for horrible online. Need for Speed came out late. Mass effect way late and it was only part 3. Need I go on. Rayman legends sold best on wii u sega is happy with sales of sonic lost worlds. Take time to make games designed or exclusive to wii u and your games will sell. Marcus Larsson Rayman sold best on ps3 actuslly and did bad on all consoles, zombieu did bad, wonderful 101 did bad etc… Seems like it doesnt matter if its exclusive or not ey? juan Where did you read ps3 sold best. I read it was the wii u version that sold best Marcus Larsson It sold best on wii u in the openings but now it seemed to have stopped on 290 000 on wii u and 320 000 on ps3 http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Rayman+legends&publisher=&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200 Googs 290 000 is still a very respectable number. It’s far more than any other third party game has ever gotten on the Wii U. Daniel Gonzalez Decent for multiplatform, bad as an exclusive. Arthur Jarret True, but it might have sold a few systems (not much, tho), bringing it to a decent 350K YogiGRB no, not true, 1 out of every 4 WiiU owners have one. but only 1 out of every 222/223 persons on the play3 …. hmmm still people say it sells bad on theWiiU. Yes it has a lower installbase but there are more WiiU owner’s whom own a copy of that game then play3 owners Daniel Gonzalez 290k no matter what way you try to put it, is poor sales for the Wii U. Most people don’t mention the PS3 is because it’s last gen, and because most ps3 owners don’t buy those kind of games. However, when more ps3 owners bought Rayman Ledgends than Wii U owners, that’s pretty bad. YogiGRB ow uh … now all of a sudden installbase doesn’t count but it’s about the target audience …. hmm oke .. my bad Daniel Gonzalez Install base only gives you a better chance of having a large enough target audience. In Wii U’s case, it certainly matters. Marcus Larsson Doesnt justify them to develope on wii u when they pass the million mark almost every time with there action games on the other consoles Ac7iVe How did zombiu do bad with over 650k copies sold lol Daniel Gonzalez That’s not good sales. Lol. It’s decent considering it’s an exclusive, but poor in Ubisoft’s eye. Clearly not enough sales to spawn a sequel. Marcus Larsson Todays games need a million sold to be called a success Daniel Gonzalez Usually the big budget games. Marcus Larsson No clue what category of budget zombieu is in but i believe they were hoping for more money Capt. Smoker It was a ridiculous idea from Ubisoft to think most Nintendo users would be wowed by a Zombie game, it’s not really the type of game people buy Nintendo consoles for. Marcus Larsson I was one of those who thought wii u would bring the sony/Microsoft-players and by that getting some of those third party-games like gta v. So I don’t think they were entirely wrong hoping to get some sells with new Nintendo-customers Capt. Smoker I agree, it’s good that they tried, but it should have been something more appealing, Zombie games are done and dusted now, that era belonged to the late 90s Arthur Jarret The walking dead: Game of the year 2013 disagrees with you. Capt. Smoker When it’s done well and in a unique way, it can be pulled off, The last of us wasn’t exactly a zombie game yet it was set in the typical sort of Zombie game setting, yet it was an awesome game because it was different, never played the walking dead but I assume they did it right, Zombie U however, even the name is lazy…. bigevilworldwide The Walking Dead GOTY, and Left4Dead both disagree with you Capt. Smoker Either way, Zombie U failed to shine in comparison and not many zombie games are flying about these days like they once were. That guy who hates Spike Ubisoft said it was in no way profitable. They made a game, integrated it to Wii U, and it was even nominated for some Game of the Year Awards. But it still didn’t sell to expectations. Meanwhile, Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Bros. U have never left the Warawara plaza since the Wii U’s launch. bigevilworldwide You realize that is BAD right…..NO it’s not a profit when you spend millions to develop a game that only sells 650k..That is BAD, that is the very definition of a FLOP…Please go take an economics and a business class…It’s the EXACT same reason why Capcom stopped making Mega Man games, spending millions to make thousands is mentally retarded business… Gamestop had soooooo many unsold sealed copies of clunky ass ZombiU laying around that they transferred them all to used, hoping it would sell them ben You do realize they only track sales for a limited time, right? The Wonderful 101 actually sold pretty well, and it is still selling. I read it only had a limited first print to. Nintendo expected sales of 60-100,000 it beat those figures. Some games are developed as a way to test if there will be a fan base. The Wonderful 101 has got a fan base and rumour is they are making a sequel, which in turn will help sell the original, when the wii u has a larger install base. 2015. W101 was also part of the Bayonetta package. Marcus Larsson Then how do you know that w101 keeps selling?;) ben Miiverse and the top 1000 sales on Amazon Japan. Marcus Larsson Oh the good old guessing. I think more people trust vgchartz Grayson Tech Well then… Let’s read the comments SuperSonicBrawler “Battlefield, Call of Duty, GTA, and Splinter Cell.” I honestly couldn’t give two flying flips about any of these games. Any game who’s primary form of gameplay revolves around guns I just don’t find appealing most of the time. Developers shouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised when games like these don’t sell well on a Nintendo platform. 3rd parties are bringing the wrong type of games to the Wii U. One of the reasons I like Nintendo so much and only buy their consoles is because they make the best non-shooter games. Platformers and Action/Adventure titles, these are the games that sell well on Nintendo consoles, and are the games 3rd party developers SHOULD be making for Nintendo. Ubisoft ALMOST got it right with Rayman Legends, but they screwed themselves over at the last minute by delaying the game and making it a multiplat.The truth of the matter is, generic shooters don’t sell well on Nintendo consoles. Games like The Last of Us do a good job of mixing up the formula, and I’m sure if ZombiU had half the effort The Last of Us had put into it, it would have drastically improved the sales of the Wii U. Long story short, if a 3rd party is planning on developing a game for the Wii U, they should either make sure that it’s not a shooter, or if it is, they’d better put a hellofalot of creativity and effort into it to keep it from feeling generic, otherwise it’s not going to sell. Plain and simple. Marcus Larsson The rayman legends did poorly on every console so they saved some money by doing that. It wouldnt have sold more just for being exclusive Con Am still waiting to buy watch Dogs SolarGalaxa Whose delay (only for Wii U, btw) is NOT going to help the Wii U. Con That may be true, but it’ll be a game I can actually see myself playing in tbe wii u. Since there aren’t much games I care for playing besides mk8 Bayonetta and ssb4 Grayson Tech Maybe it’ll benefit my cousin. I used to play FPS games, but that was in the Wii era (aka last gen) because my Wii broke in 2007, and my dad was already a PS/360 fan, so…. we got stuck with them for a few years until the DSI/3DS LukeMM95 The Wii U needs to pull a Dreamcast. No I don’t mean fail, I mean Nintendo needs to fund a bunch of new IP for the console. Bring out new and interesting games and franchises that make full use of the Wii U’s capabilities. Fuck the third party developers who don’t give two shits about the console. If the Wii U started bringing out brand new AAA games, it would be the ultimate middle finger to everyone who mocked the systems poor line-up. I’m still excited for Smash Bros and the new Zelda and (hopefully) Metroid but I’m also stocked about games like X and Bayonetta 2. The Wii U needs more games like those. Or why not dig up lost treasures. How about buying the Shenmue licence and release Shenmue 3 as a Wii U exclusive. The console has so much potential, I just wish Nintendo knew what to do with it. abe i agree ignore the third part multiformat games. Nintendo needs to release its heavy hitters, release some experimental titles and let third parties make spin off to first party games. e.g. let platnium games make a game about captain falcon’s bounty hunter jobs Kristian Kouvo I say make Wii U this gens king-RPG-platform. It has all what it takes for it. Erik The reason to this… are the media. The media loves to just stir up things such as Nintendo should go mobile or 3rd party or just not as it was anymore and EA saying crap about Nintendo and it’s console. The developers don’t want to do it because they are just simply lazy and don’t want to either port a game with improved visuals or having a Gamepad exclusive feature, they just want to make a quick buck because of the market for FPS and catering to the graphic whores. If developers and companies just get their act straight then none of the whole “NintenDOOMED” articles would of happen in the first place. I fully support 3rd party games but with them just half-assing it.. its just diminishing every time. Marcus Larsson But you have Third party exclusive games that dont sell good too, everyone tends to forget about them… And the studios makes what the market wants (big action games) so dont blame them for the genre Erik Ill admit that I agree on that. Its the people and their preference of console. They just think Nintendo is just “kiddy” and I really don’t know why would it be it since Nintendo makes games that really challenges a person skill (because of difficulty and level) as opposed to a game like.. Cod.. its just simply a pick up and play and get good it without skill depending on the situation. I would think exclusives should be advertised well enough (for all systems) so that everyone would get the idea of “Hey I want this game for that system” instead of just leaving it in the dark. Triforcelightning Now I know why I blocked Wii U Daily on Twitter. This guy. Grayson Tech Off-topic but… Why have Minecraft when we could have… Daniel Carvalho Everyone is to blame: Nintendo for marketing the console solely for kids instead of core gamers and expecting it to sell well; third party developers for making poor ports or multiplatform titles that lack core features only on the Wii U version; and gamers who own a Wii U but rarely get any third party title. But we can’t really say Wii U owners share the same amount of fault as third party developers: why would I bother buying the Wii U version if I already know it’s just a poor port, lacks multiplayer features, will not have DLC support, won’t have any online services and will cost the same price as the versions for rival consoles and PC? It is true that most gamers that eager for third party gamers have a Nintendo console for the exclusives and another console for third party titles, but that’s how we have been educated by the video game market! Nintendo had it’s fair share of third party support up until the GC, but when it came down to the Wii, it was exclusive or nothing! We got virtually no multiplatforms, and when we got some, they were horribly downscaled (even though the Wii was powerful enough to run the game with no problems with a bit of downscalling, most games were downed to the level of GC and PS2 titles), and forced the gamer to use the motion controllers in a pretty stupid way that made no sense! We had some rare third party multiplatforms games during that time on the Wii (the evolution of GBZ Sparking NEO to DBZ Sparking Meteor shows Namco was just being lazy and stupid with the Wii), which led us to get another console in order to play those titles decently. What we’re seeing now i just a reflex from the Wii; you could even say it was its legacy. We were educated by that scenario to buy third party games for Sony and Mucrosoft consoles if we wanted to play decent third party titles, and most multiplatforms that came/are coming for Wii U are also on PS3 and XBox 360 (PS4 and XBox One will also suffer from that on their first year). You can’t really blame the gamer for not buying 3rd party titles on their Nintendo console, it would be a waste of money if they did for most of them! Magnus Eriksson Nintendo is to blame. Daniel Carvalho Yes, for the reasons stated on John’s article. No need to repeat it all over again, but they’re not the only ones at fault here. Magnus Eriksson Actually they are the only ones to blame Marcus Larsson You forget the real exclusives from third party on wii/wiiu that didnt sell good either Daniel Carvalho That goes from poor marketing on Nintendo’s side, trying to get the casuals back, marketing it only for children, keeping their trailers only on Nintendo Directs, and so on. That part is Nintendo’s fault, only! Marcus Larsson There you have the ingredients for a console without support Daniel Carvalho Well, that’s already on the article, so I thought it would be a little redundant to add it on my comment. But yeah, Nintendo is the biggest to blame for the lack of third party support. Brandon Tbh alot of 3rd parties games didnt come out for the wii because, its hardware sucked compared to the xbox and ps3 and wanted to show off their game and not want to downscale it for one console. Not only that but most devs already knew that most of wii’s were in hands of families, kids, in a retirement home, or collecting dust. nonscpo I agree with the article Wii u owners haven’t bought enough third party games, and before anyone comments on Gimp versions just remember there are hardware limitations. Grayson Tech >Hardware limitations http://wiiudaily.com/2014/02/wii-u-powerful-semiconductor/ AND WHAT IF THOSE 3RD PARTY GAMES DON’T INTEREST US? steveb944 “We all love to speak up about the lack of third party support on the Wii U, but the fact of the matter is, when third parties like Ubisoft do release games on the Wii U, we rarely buy them.” This is so true. 80% at least of my games are third party. I try to stay away from Mario in order to show support for 3rd party and try to get more games for the future, unfortunately no one follows that thought process. For the time being I’ll just enjoy the trickle of games that we get and hope for the best. Triforcelightning Nintendo and indies are all you need. Purge yourself of the cancer that is the 3rd party publisher. Gabe Hoffman There are a few things to consider, How much money did those developers exactly sink into the Wii U versions of those games? Ubisoft has stated it only costs like 1 million to port to Wii U which is insanely cheap by today’s standards. ME3 and NFS MW U were good games but they were late ports that were poorly marketed and supported. You said Ubisoft is the only Major publisher that has supported Wii U. I think you forgot the likes of Activision, Warner Bros, and Disney to name a few Marcus Larsson I bet zombieu cost more Con Fuck you developers for making shitty games no one wants to play on the wii u. Magnus Eriksson Fuck you Nintendo for making a console no one wants to develope for. Gabe Hoffman Also the whole Nintendo fans are allergic to third party games is bullshit. Nintendo fans aint stupid they know better then to waste their money on a shitty half baked port Marcus Larsson They mentioned exclusives too… Zombieu, toki, wonderful 101 etc, all sold bad DC777 Toki is a crap game and 101 was unknown and is kind of a strange game for some. ZombiU is a good game but the graphics are almost insulting for a launch and bundled next gen game. Obviously zero push or advertising by Nintendo didn’t help. abe ZombiU died because the american sites disliked the cricket bat being the only weapon and expected combat to be quick and effective where as all the good survival horrors combat is slow and unrelyable DrNope Also, ‘ZombiU’ is probably the worst title they could have gone with. It screams, “Generic Zombie Launch Title.” It’s too bad because it’s a great game, but that title communicates absolutely nothing beyond mediocrity. It gives a bad impression. jrob23 If only Ubi could have delayed that game like every other one..you know..to make it the best it can be i.e. Rayman, Watchdogs. Then it could have been more polished with sick graphics. It was definitely rushed. That said, it hasn’t sold that badly considering it was a launch game on a family centered console. Daniel Gonzalez It depends on what is considered bad sales. To you, it’s not bad, but Ubisoft doesn’t agree apparently. So it’s unlikely that there will be a sequel. Perhaps it was rushed, but I don’t believe it would have changed the outcome as much. jrob23 I don’t either. It’s just not in Nintendo’s wheelhouse. But it was nice to have as an option. With a little more time and polish it could have been even better and maybe sales could have been better as well. There were some pretty bad reviews and glitches. If the Wii U gets any kind of push from Mario Kart and the install base gets to 10-15 million, ZombiU which has already sold around 650K could hit 1 million. If Ubi is not happy with those numbers than their expectations, like most of these studios..are way out of whack. I highly doubt they put very much effort into that game so they shouldn’t expect AC or Rayman type sales. Daniel Gonzalez It’s not always the expectations either, it might have to do with how much money they put into it too. If they made less money than they invested, then it would be considered a flop. Herman Jacob Going on 1 million sold is a good percent of Wii U’s out there. Cyberus But it’s the Wii U sequel to the game Zombi DrNope If Zombi was a well known game, or if this game was marketed as such, that would mean something. Cyberus :c Marcus Larsson They were pushed to release it to soon. But still those games sold bad and you dont start doing a new exclusive then to see how the market evolverar around the console first. DC777 I do my homework before I buy a game. I saw saw the sniper elite and blacklist videos. They looked like crap hence I did not buy them. Case closed. Magnus Eriksson I think most of them are kind of stupid. Atleast those who cant see that it is Nintendos fault that Wii U fails. No reason to still be a nintendo fan today. Grayson Tech Nintendo needs to make this console by adding new IP, securing third party most Nintendo fans love (Mega Man, Sonic, etc.) Before anyone says how buying SEGA and Capcom could bankrupt Nintendo (which it could) remember they will sell hardware. Maybe a Mega Man Wii U exclusive will bring over a few of his fans, and Sonic could continue to support Nintendo (in hopes of Mario and Sonic Galaxy) and make an Animal Crossing of this generation (by that I mean a new and unique IP) and also bring back some of the IPs with the highest demands, those forgotten by Nintendo, haven’t been used since the 1990’s – Gamecube Era. There may be a few pay cuts to work on this, but it’ll be worth it in the end. DC777 Well certainly AC Black Flag is the best 3rd party port and best looking 3rd party game on Wii U. But most of the rest are trashy last gen looking ports. When Donkey Kong looks better than some of the biggest 3rd party games of the year there’s a problem. That being said, Nintendo never advertises having COD or any 3rd party games and that is a problem too. As is not being available for eShop downloads. I won’t even mention that stupid Toki Tori game….give me a break. Kill the shovelware. Logan Wayman Don’t give up now, 3rd parteh boehs! Magnus Eriksson I think its wrong to blame only Nintendo. To be honest Nintendo fanboys have as much as responsibility for the death of Wii U. Its not good for the image to have an install base that contains mostly of people with psychological disabilities and different syndromes. When the rest are the elderly or very small children its not possible to deny that its bad commercial and that normal peole doesnt want to identify with that fanbase. Relick I’d wager these so called ‘normal’ people have just as many ‘disabilities’. Magnus Eriksson Yeah, but its symptomatic in the Wii U fanboy clan. It scares people away. jrob23 your trolling is really getting weaker. You still come up with a gem or two but they are few and far between. Andrew Clear So, xbox fanboys are the death of the xbox one, which has the smallest install base, and barely outsells the wii u each week. Andrew Clear I have to disagree about how well the big budget triple a titles sell. Sure, some of the titles do sell well, but history has shown that this model has caused several studios to be shuttered, or downsized to mobile only studios. It has also caused publishers to go bankrupt as well. As long as developers and publishers stick with this model, they will be living by the sword (just ask Sony Santa Monica, or Irrational Games). person 3 reasons for Nintendo’s crap 3rd party support in order of importance: 1. Nintendo not doing enough (i.e. nothing) to convince 3rd parties to develop for the Wii U 2. 3rd parties being ignorant and lazy and treating Nintendo gamers like they should put up with crap 3. SOME (not all, or even a majority) of Nintendo fans a) not buying 3rd party games WHEN THEY ARE WORTH BUYING (AC4, Deus Ex Human Revolution, Need for Speed etc.) and seemingly ignoring games that are not either Nintendo or indie. Sort these 3 things out and the problem will go away. Shootdatrupee!… Well, if they would stop making inferior ports and actually put in some effort… Andrew Clear True. This was also the case with the Wii. If you make a small budget game, and not give a damn about its quality, then the sales will be poor. If you make a small to large budget game and care about its quality, then the sales will show. The problem with 3rd party developers, is that they see the Nintendo platforms as a joke, and only put out some crap game to make some quick cash. If they actually took it serious, they would make some cash. Quality is key, and they need to put effort into the game no matter what system it is on. Marcus Larsson Believe me good games that are exclusive has been tried but didnt sell half as good as Nintendo titles on gc/wii/wiiu, the only third party title that did a lot of money on wii was just dance, so what does that tell you about what consumers want and they shall spend time on making… starwars360 Mario Kart 8 coming much soon!!! 😀 DragonSilths Sigh… Fred He has several points, but he fails to mention the other side of the story. Ubisoft pissed off Wii U owners and they still bought more copies of Rayman Legends than anyone else. Also meant mudds sold better on wii u than ps3 and vita combined. I think certain types of games sell well on Nintendo’s and splinter cell and call of duty aren’t among those that do. Similar things happen on 3DS, gunman Clive is on iOS and 3DS and it sold way better on 3DS it’s just the you’re off game that sells well on Nintendo systems. Marcus Larsson Big action games brings big bucks, why change fokus for one console? Still rayman sold almost equal on ps3 in the end. Wouldnt have changed nothing as an exclsuive Fred I don’t think you understood what I was trying to say. As a Nintendo fan, it doesn’t bother me when games like Battlefield don’t come to the Wii U because I understand they won’t sell well enough to make a profit so why would they do something that loses money for them. Of coarse these companies will continue to make games like that because (on non-nintendo consoles they make lots of money) My point was that there are types of games that sell incredibly well on Nintendo Consoles. To your point that Rayman Legends sold almost as well on PS3 as it did on Wii U, there are over 80 million PS3s and probably less than 5 million Wii Us so the fact that sales on Wii U can even keep close to PS3 says to me that Rayman Legends is the kind of game that appeals to Wii U owners MUCH more than it does to PS3 owners. And that is my whole point. If I’m Ubisoft, EA, Activision, WB I’m NOT going to just port all my games to every system. I’m going to port my games to the systems where I think they’ll sell enough copies to make me money and with Nintendo systems there are lots of games that would sell very well on Wii U/3DS, but never come to the platforms and that’s where I fail to understand. If Call of Duty isn’t on Wii U this year I’ll be a little disappointed, but I’ll fully understand, and when Grand Theft Auto V didn’t come to Wii U it didn’t bother me at all. However, when games like Portal 2, Minecraft, and Sonic Generations don’t come to Wii U it makes me wonder what these studios/publishers are smoking. Marcus Larsson My point with rayman was that if it was exclusive it wouldnt have brought more money, thats the excuse for porting it, like you Said they tried to make money by bringing it to more buyers. 290k on wiiu and 320k on ps3 according to vgchartz. And people expected wiiu to have the Nintendo exclusives with the big third party-titles this gen… Fred I won’t argue that. I’m sure there are some Wii U owners that didn’t buy it, but would have if it hadn’t been postponed, but not enough to make up for the sales they would have missed out on from the other systems. Plus I think the stuff they added during those months is really fun so I’m glad it’s there. Magnus Eriksson Fred, there is something you dont understand here. But thing is Ubi doesmt have any responsibilities for Nintendo, so the fault is not theirs. However Nintendo have a responsibility – all fault is theirs. Fred Ok so 2 of you didn’t understand what I was trying to say. That means I didn’t do a good job of explaining it. If you look at the response I wrote to Marcus Larsson hopefully it’ll make more sense jrob23 Remind me again which 3rd party multi plat games that DIDN’T come to the Wii U. GTA 5..BF 4, Castlevania, Thief, some EA sports games and 2K. The only ones that might have sold well were GTA 5 (debatable) and FIFA. That’s it. Why do people think these 3rd party games are some huge loss? Gamers are going to get these games on the other consoles anyway because the devs give them the best versions. And no, it’s not because the Wii U is underpowered. It’s because Nintendo won’t bow down to them, pay them, or market for them. I don’t blame 3rd parties for not making many of these games for the Wii U though. After all, they won’t sell. The games that would sell well like Minecraft, Plants vs. Zombies Garden Warfare, and Rayman Legends (should have been an exclusive) ARE lost opportunities. But again, I imagine it comes down to these publishers wanting more than Nintendo is willing to give. It sucks, as those games could move systems and are perfect games for the Wii U.but use crying over spilled milk. Just try to make it better going forward. This generation Nintendo is learning lessons the others learned in 2008. The Wii U is all about catching up with the Joneses. I think this will be a lost gen for the console market for Nintendo. Next gen they will bring it SNES style Grayson Tech Oh well, I still have my hopes that there will be a WII U exclusive Mega Man Nintengoth Good article, I do think Ninty fucked up a bit with the Wii U thinking it would have the same success as the Wii. they could of changed: *The name? anything but Wii U, it hard for many people to decipher. *Pump out the ads! *More news on the games that people want and news that these games ARE coming *Make it a tiny bit more powerful with a bit more memory at least 64gb But I also think that the reason its doing bad is because of developers! you ask so many people and the reason nearly everybody thinks the Wii U is “last gen” is *shudder hate this word* GRAPHICS! because the Wii Us power aint as big as the others people wont buy it, I know so many people who have said it lol it really does annoy me. Devs also wont develop for it because its way underpowered, they want to show off their games as best they can, the Wii U cant provide that. Secondly, a lot of 3rd party games have ONE thing in common,,, most are violent, war based, 3rd or 1st person shooters. those games don’t really blend well with the Wii U, and to be honest I don’t want crap like COD, BF, MOH, GTA on my console. Ninty should buy out a couple of companies for themselves such as: *SEGA (shadap I know it a long shot lol) *Platinum Games I just want a new Metroid, is it so much to ask for??? FutureFox I just want to comment on Nintendo’s hubris thinking they could simply sleep at the wheel thinking lightning would strike twice. At this rate they were better off not releasing anything and still be profitable with a console. I hope for their sake whatever technologies that came with the Wii U can be repurposed or expanded upon going forward with the next console or handheld. The Wii U is already something of a novelty console and that identification could quickly (if not already so) mark Nintendo as merely a provider of low volume high-quality gaming. Its a bad proposition when the market forces your games to be the same as the competitions whose quality may be inferior. Takarashi282 It just seems like Nintendo is waiting for developers to come to them. If they can help it, they need to go to developers and improve the advertising campaign. Even though aiming commercials of the Wii U to kids is a good advertising strategy long-term, they need to broaden the demographic a little to interest older potential customers as well. Nintendon’t I bought a Wii U because Around it’s launch Nintendo said they wanted it to be for hardcore gamers also. Remember that? I thought that would mean all the great 3rd party games plus Nintendo games, but guess I was wrong. Nintendo is probaly just sitting at their hq twiddling their thumbs doing nothing about the wii U. Never buy a console at launch. ICHI How can you be exclusive to two mediums of gaming entertainment? Googs How have they ‘finally’ given up when they did so as soon as they saw the Wii U was selling horribly? I wonder if the Xbox One will have the same thing happen to it. It’s sales are almost comparable to Wii U’s. Massive surge towards the console in the first couple of weeks & once that surge is over, the sales go down to nearly nothing. Virus6 Even if the Xbox One continues to sell as mediocre as it has been and even if Wii U starts to outsell it by wide margins, third parties will NEVER jump on board. It’s an image problem. Rodger_Ramjet Well a have a word to say about that … Bull$h!t!!!! That article is complete rubbish!! Destin Gilliard If third party developers give us wii u owners the game and all its glory we would buy it we dont want a watered down version we want co-op spltscreen, network play im tired of third party developers treating th wii u like its not capable. Wii u has a small network because you all dont support it im talking third party when mario kart 8 comes out everybody with that game and internet connection will use it.. we have first person shooters and a network but cant enjoy it so why buy it when thats important part of playing I play by myself a lot I think I speak on a lot of gamers behalf…create a game for the living is very cool….but sometimes we play alone and thats where online comes in third party we need u to “connect us” please!!! I lovemy wii u!!!! MujuraNoKamen I was enjoying the read until the end of paragraph 4. Stop saying “hardcore” incorrectly! “Gamers buy the Wii U to play Mario, Zelda, and Pikmin. Those gamers likely have a secondary console (or PC) that’s better suited for hardcore action games such as Call of Duty and Battlefield.” So how are CoD and BF more hardcore than those 3 Nintendo games, Zelda and Pikmin have a thousand times more going on than COD yet that’s hardcore because what it gets an M rating. Give me a break. Aside from that pretty good article, there’s some hard truths in there but I didn’t think that the figures for blacklist or ghosts were ever confirmed. I completely agree about the whole marketing thing, and the way few Wii U owners actually buy games for their £300 consoles. Mr.Magoo Most people don’t buy the WIi U for the third party games they buy it for the Nintendo Exclusives. I know Nintendo would like to have third party games on their system but most people that own a Wii U would rather get the New Nintendo games not the new Call of Duty. Nintendo doesn’t need third party developers to help sell their console. Most of its Launch games were third party games that didn’t help sell the console at all. MujuraNoKamen Nintendo’s games will always be the killer apps but that doesn’t mean that 3rd party games aren’t worth bothering with. tbh Nintendo needs all the help it can get selling Wii U, Pikmin 3 and DK have caused sales to jump temporarily but they’ve not turned the situation around, 3rd party game like Monster Hunter did the same thing so what makes them less important? 1st party games aren’t doing much to sell Wii U either but 3rd party games would make it a better product in the eyes of games/consumers so we can do this with or without outside help but things would be a hell of a lot better with! Mitch Hall *Rant Begin* “Nintendo carries some of the blame. They have consistently marketed the Wii U to kids” This. The main reason that most developers don’t take Nintendo consoles seriously (and haven’t since the Gamecube) is because Nintendo only seems to market their systems as “kid consoles,” despite the fact that they claimed the Wii U was meant to target the “core” market. If Nintendo ever wants serious third-party support (which we don’t really NEED, though it would be nice), they need to start targeting gamers of all ages, not just children. Oh, and speaking of which… ADVERTISE YOUR CONSOLE, NINTENDO. Most people who don’t follow gaming news don’t even know that it exists. Kristian Kouvo Take a look at the game trailers and NDirects. They got PG ratings. Hardly all of the games are targeted to kids. Marketing games are more important than marketing the console. Game trailers should show what are the benefits of using the tablet controller etc. / show proof why Wii U version of a game is cool. Then people rush out to the stores and buy it, because of the GAMES you get for it. Adam Fox I think most of the problem is the selection of games today…….Call of Duty and Battlefield…both game franchises I don’t give two **** about…..Xbox Live and PSN already had a strong online community with online game play and chatting……thus leaving Nintendo out of it….Nintendo have chat? I don’t recall, it might, but who knows….I haven’t heard of anyone chatting on Nintendo Network online….and until we get passed these HUGE amounts of FPS games that waste hours of time…and get back to games that aren’t so centered on online gaming with crap or short single-player modes, Nintendo might stand a chance again…….seriously, its ONLINE GAMING that is ruining the console market……its no different than PC gaming really……but hey, i prefer Nintendo b/c I can depend on a story mode or single player mode b/c there is more than just an hours worth of gaming…..look at Titanfall for example….supposed to be the biggest “Flagship” FPS game of the quarter or even the year…its online only…..10 years from now when the servers get shut down (and they will)….you still gonna have Wii U games that you can play…while Titanfall becomes a beer coaster… Rocky Math It’s Nintendo fault for targeting kids and making a weaker console. I personally don’t like the ABXY positions of the buttons, so use to the Xbox or should I say Sega Dreamcast layout. Virus6 Nintendo did the button layout before anyone else. How is their choice wrong or weird? tom I have done my part THIS year. I bought Assassins creed 4 black flag, COD Ghost, Warriors of Orochi : 3 Hyper, Last year Wonderful 101, COD black OPS 2, Lego dc 2, Lego marvel. Roman Carter We are partially the blame? Who wants a half ass , lack of DLC version of a triple A game I don’t ..How about these lazy ass developers start giving a damn about their products on all systems giving complete games then we will buy their games in droves.. Sultan 7 preach. they want full price for half assed game. mental illness Heaven on Earth After trading in my wii u for a ps4 I am here to tell ill take the wii u classic franchises and brilliant creativity anyday the ps4 and xbox one may offer better graphics and third party yet too me the gameplay is what matters most and with the tablet controler to me thats where the wii u has the edge so to make the situation right I traded in the ps4 and got the zelda bundle two games and a gamepad case all of great value can you say winning Nintendo im here to stay. sharlo galmo give me the same games like other consoles, and if i like the game i buy it for the wiiu, cause i like off tv play. i buy the xboxone, but i gonna buy the most game for my wiiu, cause the games i like from third party are not more then 4 games…. Robert Wagner Are we forgetinng that we’re comparing a current gen system with a newer gen system? Of course the ps3 and Xbox 360 are going to have more sales. It’s like comparing the Wii sales with the PS4 or Xbox One. It’s a mute point. Comparing a 6m sold console with 2 different 80m consoles sold is dumb. Dylan Clark Guys. everyone knows what the wii u is. nobody wants another nintendo kiddy console. get a ps4 or xbox one if you want to be next gen! and if u get an xbox one add me and we can play some real games Justin Gray What games? Get a Wii U and add me so I can watch you die repeatedly on Monster Hunter or get lost in the world of Xenoblade. Dylan Clark add me on wii u RawPunk Justin Gray ThePlague Andrew St. Clair There are games on an Xbox One and PS4? I thought they were just shit you’d find next to the laptops and blu-ray players…. Sultan 7 its the gpgpu!!!! Sultan 7 the hardcore gamer label is overrated. YoG99 Is Nintendo to blame when 3rd parties make boring games ? The only 3rd party games I play on my Wii U are Batman Arkham games (f***ing great !). Everything else doesn’t appeal me at all. I hate stupid FPS and I won’t like them even with amazing graphics: it s*cks. Arthur Jarret Monster hunter, W101, Ninja gaiden, Rayman and Assassin’s creed aren’t to your liking? I don’t like military shooters either (loved bioshock, though) – but I played the hell out of the above games YoG99 I’ve tried W101, Monster Hunter and I got AC3, not really my type of games. I forgot Rayman and Zombi U, those a good games also but I lost interest too quickly. I was asking myself while I played DK tropical Freeze, why do I love DK so much and meh Rayman … can’t find why … maybe nostalgia or the fact that DK rocks so much 🙂 Jacob Bulkley I bought my Wii U because I thought the gamepad would be fun (and it’s even better than I thought). I’ve only bought 3rd party games so far on it (AC3, AC4, Splinter Cell, Rayman, Batman:AC, COD:BO2, and COD:Ghosts). My opinion is the PS360 group had no reason to upgrade to a new console because they still had/have support for their systems. Support for them should taper off now that the new consoles are out and they’ll be forced to upgrade if they want the new games. What I find sad is no-one is going to upgrade to the Wii U to continue playing 3rd party games when they won’t get full content for the same game, yet PS4 and X-One will get full content when they don’t have a large install base yet either. jrob23 yep, and that is how you know devs mostly lie when they say they are going where the money is. The xbone is on the verge of failing as bad as the Wii U. Every retailer I go into has full displays of them and nobody is buying it. But I still see that the PS4 is sold out in many places. Yet, all these devs are supporting those platforms. I guess there is quite a bit of massaging from Microsoft and Sony that Nintendo just doesn’t do or else why would they continue to use that lame excuse. Daniel Gonzalez It’s because third party games sell better on those platforms. Nintendo’s history is against them. Even when Nintendo has some good third party games, the results end up the same. Most westerners choose PS4 and Xbox One pretty much because that’s where their target audience resides, and very little from the Wii U. Though, the western third parties aren’t to blame either, as even a good handful of Japanese third parties have the same view point such as Konami for example. You can say that their quality of games don’t compare to Nintendo, but perhaps that’s the real problem here. Nintendo fans have high expectations. Even if a good third party game hits Nintendo platforms, most have that “well it’s not Nintendo, so it must be poor quality” mentality. Maybe I am generalizing here, but it is a probable cause. Just another way of looking at it. Rinslowe Third party dev’s aren’t lying exactly. They’re thinking of the long game. In that respect, it’s likely that they’ll be better served on PS4 and Xbox One. That doesn’t mean I haven’t lost a lot of respect for most of them so far, for releasing weak ports on Wii U. Like the then head of Criterion put it; “you should go all in, or not at all”… Whether the anti-fanboys care to admit it or not. The single main reason why third parties have a hard time selling on Nintendo platforms in general, is because Nintendo is Third Party’s main competitor in a Nintendo orientated space. And the general Nintendo only crowd have a certain perception of what a polished finished product is. Sorry to offend the borderline neutral group/ anti Nintendo crowd, but this is the truth of the situation. Nintendo’s own IP’s are very, very polished experiences. And the hardware has been tailor made to those experiences in a very direct sense, arguably since the N64. That and some rather odd decisions made by Nintendo since then, their own personal take on the direction of the industry and their take on personal relationship fostering with third parties, which has made Third Parties extremely cautious – full of excuses. Have third parties given up on Nintendo? Lol, they’ve given it their best shot over the years. But it’s painfully obvious that in reality, they’re too afraid to count Nintendo out altogether. Which is why we’re still seeing these luke warm watered ports still releasing… And again, much respect overall to Ubisoft. jrob23 well said. We all know 3rd parties CAN make the games, they are choosing not to. Rayman Legends is fantastic and the definitive version. How can that possibly be if the Wii U is so weak? lol. Sadly, efforts like that game from them are too few and far between. I am AGAIN getting a PS3, it’s being shipped. But I am getting it to be a 3d blu ray player above all else. The PS3 games I have tried have not impressed me. Maybe I didn’t give it enough time, or maybe it’s the damn controller..dunno. But seems like PS3 specializes in cut scenes galore at the expense of gameplay. At least xbox has the best controller in the industry and Halo. But, I will give some games a try. I really want to try the supposed best The Last of Us but will wait for a GOY edition that includes the DLC. I tried Uncharted 3 but maybe I need to try the first two first. As good as the PS360 may be their 1st party just can’t come close to Nintendo. I wonder what would have happened if Nintendo had come out with similar architecture console and similar specs as Xone and PS4…if they would maybe put one of the other two out of business. After all, what would be the point of owning the other two if you could have Nintendo 1st party and all the best multi plats without missing features and comparable graphically. We’ll never know is my guess. wiiu4life This article is full of loopholes. 1. The Wii U has a 5% or higher attach rate. 2. Nintendo games equal quality and no broken promises. 3. In Japan more than 70% haven’t bought games on the PS4. 4. The games that have come out from 3rd party with the exception of Zombie U were games released well after being on the market at full price. They were glitch filled, Missing DLC or Wii U owners were told strait up not to expect DLC, Or games were missing features. 5. Tori And Toki developers did not close down and as a matter of fact they lowered the price and the game sold like hotcakes. 6. Games were ported and not optimized and these games looked no better that 7th gen systems. 7.Sniper Elite for example came out with no DLC, No online and performed bad. I consider myself to be a smart consumer and my dollars are dear to me. Why would I buy a game that is old poorly ported, Last gen looks and missing features for full price and then you double back give the game to the other systems for half the price with the trilogy. So in closing to all the developers that want to give us broken half assed products keep that bull Ish and to others if you want to get money make a complete game. Justin Gray I would have enjoyed reading this article if you had written it! Arthur Jarret Well, except most wanted, arkham city, ninja gaiden 3, tekken tag and sonic racing were enhanced – while a game like AC IV is enhanced over last gen (although not up to par with sony’s and ms’s latest) – I’m not sure these sold very well. gerome wii u is as dead as dreamcast. mario kart will boost sales temporarily, maybe just for a couple of days or weeks, but once nintendo sees that even mario kart has lost its legs, nintendo will be forced to take extreme measures. from dropping the price of the wii u to cheap as dirt, to canceling the console and admitting they made a devastating mistake creating the wii u. Arthur Jarret The dreamcast actually was selling pretty well, and had great third party exclusives such as soul calibur. Sega just couldn’t support it as they lost a ton of money with their failed Mega CD, 32X and Saturn. The Wii U can be better compared to the Saturn if anything. Stephen Macneil No one buys Nintendo systems for third party, but that being said Nintendo needs third party and never does enough to make their systems an inviting home. oontz Exactly… I have bought Nintendo systems solely for Nintendo games since the n64 days really. Every generation I know if I want to play Nintendo first party IPs then I need to buy their system along with another system to get the best of both worlds. WiiUPS4 Well more crap from johnhaterkinsley!..Epic fail john once again! Congrats Arthur Jarret It wouldn’t be so bad if he posted a nice glowing review or some actual unopinionated news sometimes – but this is all the crap he posts, and it’s very noticeable. I wonder why he’s even allowed to remain on staff given his history of inflamatory articles such as these. WiiUPS4 They must like having a moron working for them oontz It’s all about the good and the bad, the yin and the yang, the force and the dark side.. Arthur Jarret The sodom and gomorra, the david and goliath, the good and the evil. Except that darkness is only the absence of light, not the opposite – and conceived notions about polar forces at work are a human way of simplifying things. I think there is more at play here. At risk of sounding sexist, we should first try to look back if there is any monthly interval to these ‘john kinsley’ articles. oontz “At risk of sounding sexist, we should first try to look back if there is any monthly interval to these ‘john kinsley’ articles.” HA HA HA David Trail Pure laziness on the developers part. Make a good Wii U game and it will sell. Rayman Legends sold most on the Wii U oontz Are you a developer? What makes you feel entitled to just pigeon hole all developers as lazy? On top of that Rayman still sold very poorly on wiiu, the numbers don’t lie. It only managed 290,000 units world wide on a console with an install base of over 5 million. From a business point of view not only is that not great, it’s not even close to good. David Trail Better than a console with 80 million. Point invalid. They should have kept Rayman an exclusive. It was a waste of time making it for 360 and ps3 etc. oontz Thanks for sharing information I (and everyone else) already knew. I didn’t bring up the ports because we were discussing the wiiu sales. How the software sold on other platforms is irrelevant. What matters is how it sold on the wiiu, which as stated wasn’t good. Daniel Gonzalez http://www.quickmeme.com/img/0c/0cb61bf13db1a5f3e504bfc64ffa3226de787efdeeee39c63e10ad8e32dd71b2.jpg LordiMcKill I can’t understand why this guy posted a Wii U bashing article on a Wii U fan site? I mean seriously, does this guy even know what he’s talking about. For starters, he states that dev’s overall have moved on to next gen and mobile platforms, NEWSFLASH: The Wii U is a Next-Gen system you moron. And you don’t agree with that then i’ve got two words for you: Get Real! Rinslowe Well, about Ubisoft… Firstly I’ve got a great deal of respect for how they’ve supported the Wii U. Most ports are for the most part comparable to other platforms, so technically it’s alright. And some really nice gaming experiences to be had from them also. But expecting miracles of software sales from the Wii U is disingenuous “at this point in time”. And to make a percentage analysis based on titles sold “even more so!”. The sheer gulf in install base between Wii U and last gen consoles singularly – let alone combined – is enough to make me wonder why people would feel the need to compare in this way… Xavier Lopez Chabelo Its Nintendo´s and lazy third parties fault Rinslowe ” Those gamers likely have a secondary console (or PC) ” Ultimately, the definition of the “smart gamer” in my opinion. Wii U and PC for the average enthusiast is called “covering all bases”. PC is obvious, it’s where you go for that “true” next gen experience and it continues to pull ahead in that respect. Wii U is the only place to go for Nintendo’s magic. And the majority of major AAA releases are multiplat, meaning best experience can be found on PC, almost every time… Granted both PS4 and Xbox One will have masterclass exclusives release at some point in their lifespans. But a Wii U and a good PC actually covers a wider area of gaming entertainment. Therefore a smarter combination. Arthur Jarret I’ll just get everything. Consoles for each of their exclusives, PC/steambox for the best looking multiplats with free online. Rinslowe True, that’s what I do…. Most people are probably limited to one or two consoles though I’d say…. Arthur Jarret Yeah, I feel for those people – I love christmas bonus time… oontz Yes it’s a habit… It’s an addiction, I can’t stop 🙂 Arthur Jarret Blame the customers who bought the system for the failing sales of the system. #logic SP-937-215 Right! Are we supposed to work double shifts to pull Nintendo through this crisis? I’m not going to blame myself for some corporate leaders having their heads up their asses when it comes to marketing. Arthur Jarret Exactly – it’s not our fault that third party games aren’t marketed at all on Wii U – and are often not even found in stores. It’s not my fault that the publisher publically states no DLC or online will come for a game before it’s even released – and the EA thing? They cancelled support before Most Wanted was even released. Kristian Kouvo EA has pretty much canceled themselves. SP-937-215 Maybe Nintendo should consider dropping the price of their freaking 1st party games so we’d have a little extra to spend on 3rd party offerings. NSMBU is STILL $60 and it’s been almost a year and a half since it launched! But they are perfectly happy to let the third party titles fight for a top spot in the bargain bin. Daniel Gonzalez Yeah, their pricing is a bit much to me. I’d never buy a game for $60 after over a year. It should be at least $40 by now. oontz Agreed… Their pricing even flows into the VC titles. 10usd for a snes game is a bit much in my opinion. Daniel Gonzalez Indeed. If it wanna play SNES games, I’ll fire up my SNES. It’s no wonder people use emulators instead. oontz Yeah, there are a lot of SNES games on the VC I’d like to download but 10usd is too much for simple nostalgic value. Rinslowe This is a good point. Their titles have long appeal, but a premium price doesn’t. Absolutely, titles that are on the market for some time should be priced more realistically. Santanata who cares about western 3rd party shit, wii u needs more japanese publishers Donaald I think I already tackled Nintendo’s problem in another story, but seen as how nobody has even mentioned it… They need to get rid of their 80’s mentality of “build it and they will come” ever since the Playstation that doesn’t work anymore, now, let’s go back to 2007 when the PS3 was in a similar situation, developers had a hard time learning from the console, sales were horrible and barely any game was seen on the console, but Sony changed that by offering better incentives to publishers and next thing you know the PS3 was outselling the 360 and had more than 90 great exclusives, that’s what Nintendo needs to do, find out what Sony did and offer better incentives to publishers. There were many things wrong in their launch which are Nintendo’s fault, one of them was the lack of games in the first quarter, nothing worthwhile came until April and then it was delay after delay so created the notion that the console had no games and it carried on until now, then there was the misinformation about the console, some thought it was like the Wii but with a tablet, others thought that it was and accessory for the Wii and even some thought it was an hybrid between handheld and home console, but the worst part was that since the console was made little fan noise in mind the CPU was small and devs didn’t know how to properly use the GPGPU and the pre-retail dev kits were crap, plus support was terrible and the price was too expensive for a console that was barely showing it’s power. TL;DR: Nintendo needs to offer more and better incentives to third parties. When Nintendo gets it right they become Undodgeable. http://cdn.yourepeat.com/media/gif/000/078/931/a7979d47ff5cee423d3f70f59c93b2e1.gif Arthur Jarret Well, they’re kind of doing that already. It seems only nintendo games sell on nintendo platforms… so they offer their IP to third party devs, resulting in FE x SMT, Hyrule warriors and more of these types of projects planned. So, I think Wii U will be flooded with Nintendo IP by third party devs, keeping the thing afloat… or it will sink after yet another game drought this year. Donaald Outsourcing it’s good to have their games faster but I’m talking about convincing Western Publishers to release their games on the Wii U and 3DS. Arthur Jarret But their games won’t sell unless a Nintendo IP is attached… so if they’d lease starfox to Activision to make a Star fox skin on Call of Duty, it would sell better. Lylat Duty: Call of McCloud would be a massive hit. Similar to Samurai Warriors getting a Zelda skin: that’s not outsourcing, that’s leasing IP in exchange for exclusivity. Donaald You’re right, they should do that. oontz From sales numbers 3rd party games just don’t sell well on wiiu. I think many wiiu owners also own another console and only buy Nintendo games on the wiiu. I know I am one of them. The only 3rd party game I own on wiiu is scribblenauts. Arthur Jarret I own several. W101 is basically first party, and so is lego city so I won’t count those – but two pages worth of indies, most wanted, AC3, Deus ex, Sonic racing and Sonic lost world as well as Rayman, Tekken (with nintendo customes), Injustice and Ninja gaiden all provided the better experience on Wii U – so that’s simply the system I got it for Andrew St. Clair The problem is, what Sony has done right is that they’ve marketed themselves to the stupid. What really needs to happen is an entire collapse of the gaming industry, because it is a shit industry. Arthur Jarret I love Sony, Uncharted, Ni No Kuni and Little big planet are great! You must be thinking of microsoft… Andrew St. Clair Nope. Sony sucks balls. When my 360 red-ringed, I got a PS3, and I bought a lot of the games I had on my 360 on the PS3. The PS3 ran those same guys like shit. Longer loading times, More lag. Slower frame rates. And then…. for no reason…. I heard a loud click come from inside the PS3… and that was it. It stopped working. Sony sucks fucking balls. Daniel Gonzalez Welp. That’s your opinion I suppose. Never had that happen to me. My PS3 works fine. I’m sure there’s been people who had that problem no doubt, but hardware failures tend to happen with any product, like a microwave for example. My 360 I can agree with you as I went through 3 of them. Though, the slim version is a lot better overall and never had an issue again. We all had different experiences with hardware. oontz It’s seems 3 is the unlucky number for xb360 machines. Either that or we all gave up after strike 3! Arthur Jarret Three… is the magic number… yes it is… it’s the magic number (drat, I forgot the rest of the song) Arthur Jarret I got a launch model with over 200 games and it never broke down once. No lag, all games allow installs for decreased loading times and lots more worthwhile exclusives than microsoft gets – as well as no hijacking fee to use your own internet connection to connect to the third party devs servers. (which did happen on PS4, which does suck). Also, no multi-disc crap, discs are more durable (blu-ray>DVD in every way) and the only games with worse frame rates were the early ones before devs actually optimized their ports. Rinslowe The same problem is affecting the Wii U… It’s not Sony’s issue exactly. Nor the PS3’s hardware in the sense of being weak or inadequate. Most ports require optimisation on PS3 as much as they do on Wii U, as the majority of last gens multiplats were 360 based. It took time for dev’s to reach a point of familiarity where ports on PS3 were even comparable. This point is further made by the no’ of exclusive titles created “from the ground up” with PS3 in mind, that are on par with the best of what 360 has to offer – technically. Some ports, like ME2 were even better on PS3, technically, over 360. Wii U suffers the same issue. oontz I had 3 xbox 360s all shit… Bought a ps3 4 years ago and never had a single issue, it’s also on like 24/7 as it’s used for a dlna media server as well. Never any issues. I’ve had my ps4 since launch, no issues. So for me sony makes a quality product. I have no desire to buy an Xbox 1… After the 360 left a bad taste in my mouth. Adrian usuxdix4munnijk Daniel Gonzalez There is nothing wrong with the industry as it’s been operating the way it has for years. The bigger problem is that the so called “stupids” that you speak of, not the industry. A collapse is the worse thing as it even affects many jobs in the process. That’s a poor way of thinking bro. Andrew St. Clair “There is nothing wrong with the industry as it’s been operating the way it has for years” Which is awkward considering how many people I hear complaining that Nintendo has been operating the same way for years. And no, a collapse is not the worst thing, and considering that unemployment has been rising, yet the US economy has supposedly improved under the Obama administration, I don’t see why loss of jobs would be a bad things. And when you consider that the people who are losing their jobs will be the talentless hacks that are making these stupid games these days, I think it’ll be great that they lose their jobs, and leave the door open for the people with talent and some passion. And I’m not the only person that has talked about how wonderful a videogame industry collapse would be. In fact, most people who have come to understand how horrible the gaming industry is, will agree that a collapse is what’s necessary right now. Daniel Gonzalez I don’t see how a collapse will do any good for a struggling economy. Yes, it opens doors for some new talent, but that doesn’t guarantee any better results. Perhaps there’s people who hate how it is, but that’s life. It’s not going to change anytime soon. It’s an interesting opinion you have there, but one I can’t agree with. nexxus6 Actually, there are lot of rumblings that the gaming industry is on the verge of collapse. Budgets for games are starting to rival movies and many studios aren’t seeing enough return on these “blockbusters”. Throw in the fact that “gamers” seem to have an insatiable appetite for bigger, more realistic games , developers are unable to scale back the out of control expenses. I am not saying that I am rooting for a collapse, however, I won’t be surprised if it happens. oontz Wow you sound like a horrible human being. How anyone could wish people would lose their jobs is beyond me, did it ever occur to you that those people have families tha depend on them? Reading the things you post makes me feel sad for you… You must be the life of the party at social gatherings. Daniel Gonzalez Sure hope he never gave a eulogy. nexxus6 I think you are taking his comments out of context. Andrew is saying that if companies get lazy or are pumping out crap, then maybe they should close up shop. I doubt he is rooting for an individual to be unemployed, but rather companies need to start putting out quality products or they will be forced to go out of business. This is the way the world works in all aspects of business. oontz “I think it’ll be great that they lose their jobs” How can THAT be taken out of context? This is not a figure of speech, there is no reading between the lines. That is was he wrote. nexxus6 Way to only quote part of his sentence. Yes, he thinks it will be great for people who are doing a poor job to lose said job. He feel the industry would be better served if more qualified and hungry developers held those positions. Nothing wrong with that. I will quote you who stated “adapt or die”. oontz So should I quote his whole post? Give me a break, anyone that reads his drivel can come to the exact same conclusions I did. Maybe you agree with him, really it doesn’t matter. He said what he said. Also quoting something I said out of context with the entire post I wrote is misleading. But you keep reaching, maybe one day you’ll grasp it. Daniel Gonzalez He said that it would be great that they lose their jobs. It is simply what he wrote. He might as well be rooting. nexxus6 Why not quote the entire sentence and not spin it out of context. He also said if they aren’t doing their job, maybe they shouldn’t have it. There is nothing wrong with someone losing their job because they are failing at it. I think he is rooting for people more qualified and talented to have those positions. Donaald Amen! oontz So people that buy a ps4 are stupid? Please explain Adam Wakins I say everyone is to blame from nintedo to the fans. Nintendo for not getting the word out for the wii u, retailers for not know what they are selling, Dev for not taking the time to under stand the wii u’s power, ( not saying its powerful.) and mostly the gamer’s for being too picky, selfish, crybabies, and wanting more! ( i’m all these as well) Nintendo won’t suffer from this. (not by much any way.) and they don’t care what we think of the system. as long as they make great games for wii U and thousands of units are sold they win! Andrew St. Clair Define, wanting more. From what I can tell, gamers just want the same old shit they’ve already gotten. Adam Wakins wanting more games, power, speed anything you can think of Andrew St. Clair Really? All the gamers want is more Call of Duty. More Battlefield. More Grand Theft Auto. More Final Fantasy. More Guilty Gear… More of the same old shit they already got. Not more power, speed or anything. nexxus6 Majority of gamers are spoiled and impatient. oontz I think nintendo’s image has suffered and many wiiu owners may wait to buy their next home console as a direct result of what happened this generation. I know I will be one of them, nintendo’s next home console will be the first one since the NES, that I don’t buy day 1. Josie the Sketcher The devs are too chicken to give the Wii U a chance because they’re being lazy or greedy. Alot of 3rd party games are crap but they’re better marketed. Wish devs could be more open minded like Ubisoft because at least giving the Wii U a try. Ubisoft are what we call TRUE 3rd party devs. Nintendo just needs to release a game to show the true power of the Wii U – a game with a massive open world RPG with great gameplay and beautiful graphics. Arthur Jarret You mean X? No need to describe it, man – we all know it’s coming! NyallJodhan Can’t happen soon enough… Cyntheta Luis I guess no one was really to blame for this situation because they all have their own faults. Nintendo is still playing safe and those third party developers are too use to throw out their game and receive millions. I don’t think anyone would like their hardworking game published and receive no response. (not with COD ghost though, they deserve it) Also Nintendo really did not advertise third party enough too, but why should they? I did bought Splinter Cell blacklist because of how cheap it is. Its fun, and solid. Features missing is bit of disappoint. Thank you Mr. Kinsley for reporting this. fliadaloisio Who Cares !!! 😀 oontz Worst attitude to have, if you were a developer and saw people from the wiiu community posts things like this… would you develop games for the system? Daniel Gonzalez No use talking to blind fanboys. ;P nexxus6 If you got a quarter everytime you used the term “fanboy”, you’d be able to afford your coveted PS4 and a couple of games too. nexxus6 I would be disappointed if a 3rd party dev was getting the pulse of the gaming community from this site. oontz You really think multi-million dollar companies don’t have people researching social media as it relates directly to their markets, ha ha. You’d be wrong. nexxus6 I never said they didn’t. I just stated that I doubt they are using THIS SITE to get a pulse on the gaming community. oontz Well again you’d be wrong then. This site sees a lot of traffic and is a top hit on google when searching for wiiu related information. Daniel Gonzalez Just not one that should be taken too serious. oontz Agreed NyallJodhan I do, because I can only afford a Wii U. But it’s the chicken and egg thing with 3rd party publishers and the Wii U sales numbers. And Nintendo not advertising enough. Iflywright Bummer! I thought the whole point of the Wii U was to upgrade the visuals to pick up third party support and hardcore gamers. It’s like what I told a friend of mine, “If I could play Mario and Rockstar games on one console–I’d be in heaven.” I absolutely do believe that the problem here is marketing. When was the last time you saw an ad on TV for this console? Nintendo is not engaging the market because their marketing is abysmal. At $300 and with its capability, Nintendo should be selling Wii U’s like crazy. The company needs to relaunch this console–Mulligan! I think it would be silly for Nintendo to ditch this console. I expect the Wii U to finish out this decade as Nintendo’s flagship console. Therefore I believe that the solution is simple, they need to relaunch a marking campaign and sell more units to justify third party development. BTW, I’ve been saving up for a Wii U, and I’ve had my doubts, but I am going to buy one very soon and look forward to Mario Kart 8. I’ve owned an xbox360 for a few years and I am tired of the over saturation on FPS–Nintendo has an allure of fun that most companies in this industry do not, and there’s no excuse why they can’t market this baby better. Brandon Olson Oh blow it out your ass, John. You wanna know the reason WHY we don’t buy a lot of the 3rd party games on the Wii U? It’s because the developers are the ones that neuter those versions of the games in the first place. Mass Effect 3 when we coulda gotten the Trilogy. Also none of the extended DLC. No Multiplayer (I wouldn’t have USED it but point still stands) for Arkham Origins on Wii U. The better versions of the games that aren’t Rayman Legends are on other consoles. Why should we support games that aren’t even the same quality as on other consoles? That’s not our fault at all. Don’t you put words in our mouth. Honestly, I’m getting sick and tired of your shit on this site. It’s your opinion, but boy oh boy are you doing your job well in doing flamebait. oontz Angry fanboy is angry. Brandon Olson Yup. Can’t deny that. Daniel Gonzalez http://img.pandawhale.com/post-24140-why-dont-you-just-calm-down-gi-hYxH.gif Brandon Olson Clever. 😛 But in all seriousness, I expected this from places like Kotaku (which is a blog site rather than a serious news reporting site, where you can find all sorts of fun little opinionated tidbits), and opinion or not, this should not count as journalism whatsoever. Nor should it even be in FEATURED. Why is an opinion article a Featured article? I would say the same thing for positive Nintendo news too. oontz Wait wiiudaily is a serious news reporting site?!? Rinslowe Serious enough… oontz I guess so… Daniel Gonzalez Well, some more serious than others I gather. Rinslowe Redundant statement. Daniel Gonzalez http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/05%20cool%20story%20bro.jpg Rinslowe Like I said once before, a head like a bag full of cats and a pink hand bag full gifs and jpegs… You don’t disappoint in that respect. 🙂 Daniel Gonzalez More like a circus. I just come here to have some nice discussions while reading hilarious fanboy comments. The trolls on the site I have to admit are amusing and do a good job annoying the crazies. nexxus6 Where do you fit in? I feel that your main goal is to throw gas on the fire and then accuse everyone of being an irrational fanboy when they react. Rinslowe He’s a Sony fanboy, here on Wii U daily to rile up the staunch Nintendo fanboy crowd. Like I think you said “concern trolling”… Totally redundant in his dogged attempts to convey a failed neutrality. Rinslowe You “are” one of the trolls on this site…. Daniel Gonzalez You say it like it’s a bad thing. ;P Rinslowe Not a bad thing actually. I could think of worse ways to be entertained… 🙂 Kas Taylor i have to say this, what games are worth buying for ps4 or xbox one. tell me ? cause i haven’t seen one yet Brandon Well there will be some games coming soon, but we have to wait for e3 for that. The games now is really for the graphics and frame rate. The division is worth owning those two but, it doesnt come out till later this year. oontz Seriously? Games that are “worth buying” as you say… will vary greatly depending on the person who is doing the actual buying. What you find value in someone else may not, and vice versa. Personally I have been enjoying many PS4 games so far, bought and downloaded… just like my wiiu. NyallJodhan He asked for the name of one. I’ve NEVER seen an XBox/PS supporter EVER reply to this question with at LEAST one game name. EVER. And you just didn’t, also. oontz Care to read his post? He didn’t ask for JUST one. He said what games (plural) are worth buying. Which is a matter of opinion, just like asking what games are worth buying on a wiiu. You’re going to get a different answer depending on who you ask. For me on PS4 I really enjoyed Killzone, and I’ve been playing a lot of AC4 and Battlefield 4 (amazing), I also downloaded Contrast, Outlast (great survival horror) which I beat and Resogun (amazing old school gameplay/new school graphics, trigger finger shooter) all free on PS+. If you’re a basketball fan NBA 2K14 is amazing (like watching live TV). If you have the camera, playroom is amazing as well. On my wiiu I’ve been playing through Zelda WWHD, and SM3DW both solid games as well, and I’m really looking forward to MarioKart 8 (hope the online experience is solid). Like I said it varies depending on who you ask. Some people may not find any software “worth buying” other people will. It’s a matter of opinion. NyallJodhan “…cause I haven’t seen one yet…”. But I like that you actually have named some games now. Brandon I am no longer a wii u owner but, I will be getting one later for the exclusives. I love 3rd party games but, im not going to be getting them on the wii u because I already own a ps4 and it is my primary console. Point is wii u owners shouldnt be blamed for the lack of 3rd parties. Thats all nintendo and the devolepers fault. Nintendo needs to attract more devs and they dont need to kiss there asses to do so. Devs needs to make the game run and look better on the wii u, instead of a cheap port. The wii u is capable of doing so, its not going to look anything like the ps4 or xbox one but, it will definitely look better then last gen. I cant speak for the wii u owners and say there going to buy the game if they make it better, but its a much better chance. Stephen Anderson It isn’t that Wii U owners aren’t supporting third party titles. I’m sure Monolith Soft’s X and Bayonetta 2 will receive great support as exclusives made for the system. It’s just that no one wants to play a game like COD on the Wii U when you know it looks better on another console (or better yet a PC). I own a Wii U and will buy any good quality game that is made for the system. If its a dodgy port though, I’m gonna grab the PC version as that isn’t where the Wii U excels. No one is to blame here. People just need to accept the reality of the situation. The Wii U is either your first choice console (I.e I don’t play FPS’s with ultra real graphics) or it’s an option as a point of difference to the console/PC you own. You dont get one INSTEAD of a PS4, XOne or PC… You get it AS WELL. dtm808 Lawl buying a nintendo console for 3rd party. thats the real joke xD blindtiger 4 out of my 9 wii u games are third party and itd be more if i wasnt so broke… im not taking the blame. Dark-Link73 I have 26 full retail Wii U games. No one can point the finger at me for “not supporting” the Wii U. oontz *golf clap* Kristian Kouvo I’ve got 20 disc games so far and very happy with the machine. PS4 is a bore (so far) – and they need to fix the sticks wearing out etc. heating problems with the device before am investing any money in it. Maybe wait for a “slim”-rev. bugart19 Because of the success of 3DS it’s a little difficult why Nintendo can’t achieve similar success with its current console but it’s also clear that Nintendo’s handhelds has been lucky for many years with no major competitor successful enough to force Nintendo’s hand; that’s certainly not the case with Nintendo’s consoles as there is direct major competition taking up a major share of the market. One solution is for Nintendo to equalize it’s hardware specs towards it’s competitors, making it easier for developers to make multi platform games but then there is the problem of Nintendo’s market being mostly geared towards children which makes it harder for 3rd party games to get sufficient respect. Sony has made an effort to target the same younger market that Nintendo dominates but Nintendo still holds it’s position quite well. Trirulian Yeeeah, Nintendo definitely shot themselves in the foot. BUT most my games are actually from Ubisoft. But There are ported poorly to Wii U sometimes, off TV play is the BIGGEST thing Wii U has going for it. discuss Which UBI game is badly ported? WiiU4life It’s funny how gamers, and this includes Wii U gamers lack the insight on what the Wii U needs to do to succeed. 1. Develop a game which promotes the concept of Project Cafe. Localized multi player gameplay which entices users to go out and purchase multiple Wii U consoles. I currently own multiple iPads and 3DS’s; give me a reason to own multiple Wii Us. 4 Gamepads or 2 Gamepads and TV—whatever the combination, Nintendo needs to make this happen…like yesterday. 2. Develop a game which teaches me how to utilize the touchscreen while gaming on the television without looking down at the screen. Remember playing the original NES and looking down at the buttons or using a keyboard for the first time… We originally had to look at the keys/buttons, now it’s second nature and executed without even looking, and that’s how the Wii U’s Gamepad should be utilized. It would usher in a new era of hardcore gaming. Should have been done like yesterday! 3. Develop an external hard drive with at least 500 Gigabytes which syncs up with the 3DS. The spot pass and street pass possibilities are endless! 4. Release the vitality sensor! Want to see how tense the experience was trying to acquire the letter N on Tropical Breeze vs getting that Green star on 3D world… Compare it utilizing the vitality app! oontz “Release the vitality sensor” No FutureFox Number 2 has some problems. The gamepad screen can be customized in too many unpredictable ways from different developers (not just Nintendo) to even warrant such an effort. Most people can’t even text on their smartphones without looking at the screen let alone game as you’re proposing. Tactile feel gives you that extra sense of knowing a command input was sent which is why you don’t have to look at the controller for very long, once you know where the buttons are positioned. The gamepad screen however is too flexible from a software standpoint, QED. NyallJodhan Doesn’t TW101 do something like this with the drawing an attack style on the touchscreen? FutureFox Even in that game you still have to look on the second screen at the things you what to swipe or encircle to make the desired shape, iirc. Also, from what I experienced its not perfect. ETeach This was a pretty interesting read regarding the whole Wii U Third Party issue. Take a look: http://www.gengame.net/2013/03/nintendo-fans-are-too-smart-to-buy-third-party-aaa-games/ FutureFox Its kind of funny because I didn’t get the Gamecube until near the end of its lifecycle because they finally had the kind of games I wanted to play. For me it seemed like the time between when N64 was wrappingup and Gamecube was launching (and after launchward) Nintendo was really focused on the Pokemon crowd. It seemed like everyday I saw new skew of both N64 and GC consoles in wacky colors and a pokemon related bundle. —> Turned me off completely! The other thing that did it for me, strangely, was the N64 expanded memory module that you plug into the console. I remember thinking what games what utilize it? Followed by the thought PS1 doesn’t need extra hardware to perform better. PS1 it is. ETeach Lol, back in the PS1 days I was just entering the gaming sphere, so I was a die-hard Nintendo fan. It didn’t matter what the Playstation could do, Nintendo was Nintendo, and that was enough to sell me. Funny as it is, that’s still my reasoning today. Sure, I’d love to play a few of the good 3rd party games out there that you can’t find on Nintendo’s systems, but I’d be so much more miserable if I couldn’t get my fix of Mario, Zelda, Pikmin or whatever other 1st party titles come out. TCar What is with the ‘finally’ part of the article title. Was this guy hoping for this or what? Untrentide Im not sure how its the consumer’s fault the Wii U is doing bad. I want fun new games instead of these same old shooters. If 3rd party developers are releasing titles that ppl don’t wish to buy then is it really our fault for not sucking it up and buying a random game just to stuff my shelf? They can’t just throw any game at me and hope it sticks like spaghetti, oontz Your argument would be valid if the games you speak of weren’t selling very well on other platforms. Untrentide That’s assuming the audiences for all the separate systems have the same mindset. My statement is valid, just it’s one of many possible reasons for why people are not buying these title. I just very much believe that consumers can’t be blame for not buying titles they don’t wish to buy. Decker Shado *reads title* Wait a minute.. when the hell did they even TRY to support the Wii U? Gentle Robot Man this is some crazy clickbait. You should write for IGN Adrian I actually bought a WiiU because I was like “Finally a Nintendo system that will have third party (aka “regular”) games.” And, no, I’m not joking. I never owned a gamecube or a Wii. I’ve been all Sony since after my N64. I’m really into the single player – or local co-op experience. Put quality games of those types on Wii U and I will buy. But please no games that look like they were made for a 5 yr old. Marcus Larsson I had the same hopes Brandon Olson So evidently, no Mario, no Legend of Zelda despite how epic the adventures are, none of the Nintendo stuff? No offense dude, and I say this as someone who wants some good 3rd party games on my Wii U to flesh out my library, but… Why the hell did you buy a Wii U when, judging by your comment, you’re not even invested in Nintendo games much? Marcus Larsson I think Zelda dodges those preferences, maybe Mario. Then you have f-zero and starfox, metroid and so on. I think he means games like pikmin, Pokemon etc Adrian Mario and Zelda are timeless classics. Don’t be silly. Mj78 Nintendo Wii U is now a first party only machine. I still have mine and there are some top games out and still to come but the pure and simple fact is that it has been a marketing disaster from day one. There are still hardly any TV adverts and ultimately, I cannot see Nintendo being part of the major home console market for quite some years. They would be better concentrating on the handheld market and bow out of home consoles now before they make Nintendo a name of embarrassment. discuss “Have third party publishers FINALLY given up on Wii U?” Like it was bound to happen? This title is silly. Kristian Kouvo There are 3rd party support from Sega, Bandai Namco, Capcom, Ubisoft, Activision, Rovio, Shin’en and Monolith Soft – so I would say that’s a pretty good starting base. Arthur Jarret Monolith is first Party, and you’re forgetting Tecmo Koei and the strong-starting but now half-hearted support of Warner Daniel Gonzalez Monolith Soft is first party. Many people seem to get this wrong on this site for some reason. Kristian Kouvo So it seems, checked it from Wikipedia to be sure. 🙂 Still the main point is Wii U maybe don’t have so many 3rd party supporters (yet), but the ones they’ve got are worthy ones. Who others excactly should support Wii U in you opinion? sd It is true, you only buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games. That’s why the console isn’t selling, because the Nintendo games are being drip fed to the public. Having said that, as my spare console I have played some amazing games on it. Pikmin 3 was superb, W101 was pretty good and Mario is always great. James060394 Wii U 3rd party games are hampered by poor ports, old games, overpriced and missing features. Poor ports – Black Ops II, AC3, AC4, Ghosts, FIFA “13”, Mass Effect 3. All could have been optimised to take advantage of the Wii U’s RAM, GPU and Memory bandwidth. Cod in particular should have easily hit 720p but instead it’s hampered by sub hd and like other ports, poor performance. Reminds me exactly of the PS3’s early days. Old games – ME3, AC3, Batman, FIFA 13, NFS (good port though). Most gamers have already played them on other platforms, why buy again? Overpriced – Mass Effect 3. Why do Wii U owners pay full price for ME3 when the trilogy can be bought for the same price on other platforms? Why pay for FIFA 13 when it isn’t even FIFA 13? Missing features – Blacklist, Batman, Both CODs, AC. No DLC, MP, splitscreen co op compared to other platforms? Inferior in features? And then devs turn around and wonder why their games aren’t selling. Then it’s the consumers fault. Then it’s the Wii U’s fault (EA – FB3 and BF4 can’t run on Wii U yet, it runs on PS3, 360 and Cryengine 3 and Crysis 3 runs beautifully). Honestly, if devs put in I time to optimise and actually gave Wii U owners a chance, things would be different. If they’re struggling to optimise for the Wii U, ask Nintendo for some help. It’s really that simple. YogiGRB ^^ exactly this ^^ Enumerating Wishes Honestly I think most devs got lazy in the previous long generation cycle. SO many sequels and lack of IPs. They already developed their tools and have little incentive to make any changes. The more powerful PS4 and XB1 could run these tools and even look better though it wasn’t designed for the hardware so either direction there is little optimization going on. Nintenjoe82 Mainly agree (especially overpriced) but: AC3 had DLC and wasn’t terribly old by the time Wii U launched. The early ports weren’t that bad for launch ports but the sequels to those games have no excuse. FIFA13 cost me £10 on launch day. Prince Ali AC3 came out a mere two weeks after the PS360 versions. It was released on 10/30/12 and it was a launch title for Wii U on 11/18. I cant comment about AC4 since I havent gotten it yet, but I never had any problems with AC3 on the Wii U. In fact, I loved it due to the gamepad map. It was a huge improvement over my AC1-2-B-R games on the PS3. I try to support 3rd party titles on the Wii U when I can. All I need is a gamepad map or inventory support. I love those simple multitasking features that illiminates the infinite number of times I have to hit “pause” on my PS3. Everything else, I agree with you 100%. rawrock64 Thats why I bought an Xbox One. My Wii U is pretty much my Nintendo games player. Although i did love Splinter Cell on the Wii U, great game and use of the gamepad. Jonathan George Anaya My WiiU was purchased for three reasons: Metroid, MarioKart, and Smash. the X1 keeps me and my girlie gaming all day, everyday. Add Placebohead if you want a 31,000 Gamerscore team mate Cyberus Marketing to kids? They haven’t marketed to /anyone/ Kristian Kouvo Don’t forget the game trailers – or Nintendo Directs, which has PG ratings. Isn’t that marketing? Was Zombi-U and COD games for kids too? *sigh* NyallJodhan Sorry to hear about Toki Tori 2. As a Wii U owner I must say though, that game just didn’t look appealing to me. But it was released also for the PC, so how come Nintendo alone foots the blame for their demise? I do not think the console was the reason for this game not doing well, I think it is the game itself. WiiU4life And honestly, I’m looking at my Wii U collection and I have approximately 20 games, and when I read the message boards I see that most Wii U gamers have on average at least 8-10 games (including indie and virtual console). I guarantee Nintendo’s thinking is, “Ok 3rd party Devs, miss out if you want too! We can’t make games fast enough to satisfy what this gamepad-screen has done to gaming consumption. On second thought, no problem, the lack of competition is actually very good for us!” [theRealWiiU4life] Nintenjoe82 I love how all the armchair CEOs say Nintendo need third party support and are in trouble etc. but the poor 3rd party support means that they keep pumping out million sellers because nothing competes. The first party software sales of Wii U are already pretty fantastic and will only get better! Marcus Brakstad Sakseide I really feel sorry for the Wii U. I don’t know if this is just happening to me, but when playing on my tv, the controls are delayed. Like if i press the A button, it takes about 0,25 seconds to respond. Not that much but I get so pissed! Like when playing Skyward Sword. I CANT PLAY IT! Because you have to wait lil 0,5 seconds before Link swings his sword! I mean, if Nintendo didn’t have those delays, and dropped the gamepad and came with a pro controller instead, third party developers would actually want to develop games for it! And one last thing. Down at my bedroom, theres not the best wifi signal, but I could play online on my old Wii easily. But the new and better Wii U, can’t! I mean its so pointless. You’re making a new console Nintendo and doesn’t finish it?! I mean the delays and WiFi! Gahh! Nintenjoe82 That sounds like a problem unique to your Wii U or TV. There’s no delay for gamepad or Wiimote swinging when I play. . Spingebill Seeker of Darkness I never had any problems on my WiiU, but do agree that they should drop the gamepad and use the WiiU pro controller because there really isn’t any game out there that use the gamepad to its fullest, plus it would be great if Nintendo did this for the WiiU,try to make it like the Gamecube where they were in there prime along with the Gameboy Advance. Enumerating Wishes Actually that’s when Nintendo was at their lowest point I think. Worst hardware aside from the discontinued Dreamcast. If you’re talking about the games then I can agree with you. Spingebill Seeker of Darkness The Gamecube was powerful on par with the PS2, but compared to Wii it was still considered more powerful Enumerating Wishes Oh I’m not even sure what I was trying to say lol. Yeah the GCN was more powerful than the PS2 but it’s sales did poorly. DrNope My gamepad has been giving me nothing but problems all week. It goes only for about 30 seconds before giving me a bad communication error. It just can’t keep a signal with the Wii U, and now my new $300 Nintendo is a brick. Time to call Nintendo. Zuck I think author is right, but publishers have their part too, look EA case, they published NFS for WiiU 6 months after on others plataforms, lauched ME3 at full price when others have the trilogy for the same price. Warner Bros. lauched batman and Injustice without DLC and online capabilities. Ubi gaved us great games, but where the rest of them? What I’m trying to say is, how do you expect to sell games on it, if you don’t publish games on it? I could have buyed thief, bf4, titanfall, castlevania 2 and many others if they had a change to be released on wiiU Cyberus I’m tellin ya guys, they should just scraaaap the GameCube, and start making Xbox games. Nothing good is to come Sonic 2099 The Hedgehog Not My Problem but if they taking Sega from Nintendo THEN I’M REALLY ANGRY Nintenjoe82 I don’t think going with Nintendo sunk Two Tribes. I think Two Tribes chose to not pay their creditors in favour of starting a streamlined version of the same company that owned all the IP but didn’t have as many liabilities. 3rd party support is mainly dead on Wii U because it’s always dead on Nintendo consoles since the N64. The Wii was a success so everyone wanted a piece. Everyone wanted a piece of the Wii U but only Ubisoft actually tried and half of their ‘trying’ was releasing some terrible games alongside Zombi U which was good but a little TLC could have made it so much better. Everyone hates EA for being public with their lack of support but at least their communication was fairly clear and they didn’t waste time teasing us with possible games that might get released. They gave us 3 attempts: FIFA – best football game on Wii U – uses gamepad well. ME3 – odd choice when trilogy was round the corner and ME3 was launched the year before but some of the best gamepad uses in an excellent game NFSMW – best racing game on Wii U – average gamepad use, technically excellent port DrNope There’s only one third party game not on Wii U that I even want to see ported to the system, and that’s South Park. Nintenjoe82 That is one of the ones that does annoy me more than most. Every interview with Trey and Matt pretty much says ‘Nintendo inspired, Nintendo was our youth, South Park might not exist without Nintendo’ and then their game skips it completely. DrNope Surely we deserve something after playing that awful N64 game. JVAN63 “Gamers buy the Wii U to play Mario, Zelda, and Pikmin. Those gamers likely have a secondary console (or PC)…”. Very true! I am one of those. I am a true-blue Nintendo fan, and buy any console they make on release day, simply for Mario and Zelda games. But I do buy lot of the cool Indie titles as well. Aside from Zombi U and RE, there hasn’t been any FPS for the Wii U that interest me. Wish there were though. (War-based FPS games bore me). Quicksilver88 Try Deus EX on WiiU…..the directors cut was really made for WiiU and it shows. It is story driven FPS with an RPG like level up system and uses gamepad well. You can play guns blazing on stealth. Very cool game and deserves support. I got it for $32 new so it can be had for less than full price if you shop around online. Dave Oh no, don’t even use COD Ghosts as an example. That’s a game that Activision set up for failure. Not only was it released with nasty bugs and sketchy frame rate, there was ZERO advertising, none. Store clerks didn’t even know it existed, much less the consumer. My sister had to actually argue with the clerk about the existence of the game. A fellow at the store was surprised when he saw me pick it up of the shelf. That’s when you could even find it, because they didn’t even fab that many copies. Activision is to blame. They don’t even promote their own product. While massive displays lined the isles of electronics stores, none showcased the Wii U version. No, 3rd parties need to support their own games. They need to get to work making games worth buying. It’s no wonder few buy their games. The Nintendo audience has been alienated. The expectation of 3rd parties on the platform are shotty ports. 3rd party publishers have something to prove, and they aren’t even trying. Why aren’t we getting “The Division”, or “Destiny”? Really, they think there is a huge market for ps360 rehashes? People give Ubi too much credit too. They just copy/paste straight from the ps360. EA never gave it a chance, just by comparing launch titles/announcements between the ps4 and xbox one, those consoles had more games announced in the first month than EA delivered on the Wii U in a year. Nope, they never gave it a fair shake. Now it’s to the point that their arguments are becoming more and more abstract. There is always talk of the install base, yet it’s over 5 million now, and publishers like EA have been long gone on the platform. The longer their stay away, the less relevant are their arguments of poor sales, because they simply aren’t on the platform. The question is, how big is a big enough install base? Rick Valenta All of the “kids” who have nostalgia from playing Nintendo when they were young (myself included) are now in their 30’s. So by marketing to kids now, Nintendo is ignoring their core market and most loyal customers. I swear the big N is one of the worst managed companies in the history of the industry, after Atari and Sega… oontz This is exactly how I feel. I have loved Nintendo since the NES, I grew up on Nintendo. But they seem to forget that their core audience has now matured and are grown up. nexxus6 I, too, have grown up with Nintendo. Although I have grown and matured in my almost 40 years on this earth, I can and still do find a lot of enjoyment in Nintendo and their products. I do not feel that I have been ignored by Nintendo. Actually, it is quite the opposite because they continue to entertain, and that is what I have always expected from them. Do I think they are perfect? Absolutely not. What company is? I think many of Nintendo’s games transcend age in the sense that they can be enjoyed by audiences of all ages. They do not need to pump out titles that are re-enactments of the evening news to offer an entertaining experience. oontz “I can and still do find a lot of enjoyment in Nintendo and their products.” I also do, but that doesn’t mean I also don’t wish for a realistic looking, large Mushroom kingdom over-world (Skyrim style) with the same attention to detail that Nintendo is known for. Explorable from the outset, with me playing as Mario. It would be amazing. Like Mario 64 amazing without the castle hub. All the lands seamlessly connected and open. You could still collect stars but those stars would be guarded well and tough to find. There doesn’t need to be any blood or gore. It would be amazing and still accessible to all ages. Instead we got an HD version of SM3Dland, run from point A to B, before the timer runs out. Still enjoy it, but we’ve been down this road too many times. nexxus6 There is still time for such games to come out. The WiiU is still young, be patient. oontz I am very patient… I have owned my Wiiu delxue since day 1. Trust me when I say I have shown my patience to Nintendo, but I am not going to wait forever. It’s clear they have no interest in taking their IPs to the next level. Rick Valenta I’ve been happy with my Wii U. Still, Nintendo needs to hire a new advertising agency to exploit the “retro cool” of the company. Also we want 3rd party titles, but creative stuff like watchdogs and bayonetta 2. The 1st person shooter is pretty stale at this point. oontz I agree and disagree. Nintendo needs to turn its image around, and a new head of company PR would do wonders. I love FPS style games, but like any genre finding those diamonds in the rough takes some time. Brandon Gardner Nintendo needs to pull a Disney and just start buying up shit oontz I agree they should have been buying up other studios left and right to make games just for them. bobbybangin Have they finally given up? Were they ever really behind the Wii U in the first place? Logan Waltz Those titles don’t sell on the Wii u because we are sick of those shitty iterations of unevolving IPs. Ninty is innovative and forward thinking. Devs are afraid of change. Even though innovative titles tend to be amazingly well received, without solid enough hardware sales to fail softly, devs won’t even try. Just have to wait until a vita sells well enough for a dual screen game for all 3 systems is viable. oontz Really what has been so innovative from Nintendo on the wiiu? If anything Nintendo is the one afraid of change and their releases so far on the wiiu show that. All they have done with their releases is try to recreate the success of the 3ds, with hd sequels. When you look at them side by side with other games from those IPs, there really is little to no innovation, just more of he same. Granted Nintendo games are some of the best, but they are also showing no willingness to take their IPs to the next level. Just the same as they have done before. Daniel Gonzalez Basically the same pointless argument from fans. InterTreble Those third parties who don’t program on Wii U for its sales numbers are the same who didn’t program on Wii which – if I well remember – sold just something like 100 milion consoles… They should agree with themselves, before speaking about Nintendo (and receiving money from $ony and M$…) oontz Love your posts… Rarely do they make sense but they are always good for a laugh. Keep doing what you do. Also for the record, the wii had a ton of 3rd party support, way more than the wiiu has now or will have in the future. If you’d do some research you’d see it kinda negates your original argument, but hey the more you know right. Daniel Gonzalez That and alot of third party support was made up of shovelware. InterTreble Your post are always a demonstration of your constant member war. You are useless. oontz How is it member war… you say the 3rd parties that don’t support wiiu are the same that didn’t support the wii. Which in FACT is not true. The wii saw a lot more 3rd party support throughout it’s lifetime, something that is completely different for the wiiu. Daniel Gonzalez I love them all too. It’s always a good reminder that thank god there are a lot more sensible people in this world. ;P Daniel Gonzalez So you’re saying that developers should develop for the Wii U and lose money each time their game doesn’t make enough to make it a worthy investment? Yeah, I suppose if I was a developer I’d keep developing for the Wii U and continue to make little back from the investment. Sounds logical. InterTreble Who are you? Ah yes, mr Wrong! Nice to see you again. Always trolling here and receiving love from everybody? Daniel Gonzalez http://www.quickmeme.com/img/18/18a51df6e9628e14fa370d7568ee0945bfb93d8c01167d25d8aa7cd66fe3c59f.jpg InterTreble Right, you! 🙂 If you are a troll, it’s not my fault. And you always offend, always. What an ugly life… (and I well remember from your old avatar also an ugly face… ahahahah!) Daniel Gonzalez http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/031/783/obamam-lol-y-u-mad-tho.jpg?1261515514 InterTreble Don’t worry, you are more stupid than ugly! 😉 AkaLink77 It’s gonna sound like an over used fan theory but hopefully 3p’s will get back on track with WiiU after MK8 and Smash come out… because by then, MANY people will have WiiUs. Steph If Nintendo doesn’t turn it around with the wiiU soon it’s pretty much never going to. Shame as the system does have potential but potential isn’t going to save it. Aiddon …we rarely buy 3rd party games because 3rd parties have garnered a reputation of being halfassed and sloppy on Nintendo systems while Nintendo titles have become bastions of quality. There is not devil’s advocate here; 3rd parties refuse to put in the effort to change their rep and thus they relinquish all rights to whine when their products don’t sell. Especially when they don’t bother to advertise the damn things. They are not some starving artists, they’re just a bunch of incompetent hacks who have rendered themselves incapable of doing their jobs right. And that is NOT Nintendo’s mistake to fix Steph I’m sorry but that just isn’t true. Nintendo could easily score third party exclusives as they did with Bayonetta…but they aren’t and that’s the problem. Aiddon Except Bayonetta has so many asterisks going with it that that argument is complete BS. They don’t moneyhat because they know they would just be throwing money away. What’s the point when more than likely a few months down the line they’d just port it to the 360/PS3 or XB1/PS4 anyway? They want partnerships, not the parasitic leeching that 3rd parties engage in. oontz If they want partnerships (in your opinion) they need to actively be seeking them. They aren’t doing anything much to change the way they operate their business. Adapt or die off, the rules of evolution apply to everything. If Nintendo doesn’t adapt to the current gaming trends then they will slowly become even more disconnected from what customers want. nexxus6 Funny, Andrew said essentially the same thing earlier, and you called him a horrible person to want people to lose their jobs. I guess you are ok if Nintendo employees lose their jobs. Please be careful not to hurt yourself with all the flip-flopping you are doing. oontz Wow reaching just a bit no? Please kindly show me anywhere that I say I wish people would (or should for that matter) lose their jobs? Hmmm yeah I don’t see where I typed that. Andrew directly said people should lose their jobs. That’s not what I said nor implied. Now if you’re finished putting words in my mouth or assuming I meant something other than what I wrote, good day sir. nexxus6 “Adapt or die off, the rules of evolution apply to everything.” What does that imply in the business world? oontz It is a figure of speech I simply used to re-enforce my final statement of… “If Nintendo doesn’t adapt to the current gaming trends then they will slowly become even more disconnected from what customers want.” No where did I say (or imply) they will lose there jobs, or even worse… that I wished/hoped they would lose their jobs. So sorry it’s NOT essentially the same thing Andrew said, it’s not even remotely close to the same thing. You’re reaching for something that simply isn’t there. nexxus6 “Adapt or die off”…that sounds pretty harsh to me. Oh that’s right, its not what you meant and it is only a “figure of speech”. Try not to trip while back peddling. Maybe choose your words more carefully in the future. oontz Wow, do you lack the basic skill of understanding the written English language? It is a figure of speech, one I used to re-enforce my final statement of… “”If Nintendo doesn’t adapt to the current gaming trends then they will slowly become even more disconnected from what customers want.” die = disconnected from what customers want Nothing more, nothing less. I needn’t be back peddling as I said what I said, and I stick by it. If you somehow think I implied something I didn’t, than that’s your problem isn’t it. So yeah, keep reaching but maybe spend some more time studying english than trying to find hidden meanings in posts made on an online message board. Just a suggestion. Andy Whitefield clickbait Gamer78 I have bought need for speed, ninja gaiden, both call of duty games, and I bought and traded splinter cell. I have rayman and i have watch dogs reserved so I am not sure why people say that only nintendo games sell on nintendo systems. I will say that when gimped games are released that it should come as little surprise that they dont sell. Social media and the internet keeps people informed so consumers are able to fet more bang for the buck by getting the games where they can maximize their investment. oontz You need to realize that you are just one person. There are millions of wiiu owners who obviously don’t do what you do. The sales numbers directly reflect that regardless of people like, you 3rd party games just don’t sell well on the wiiu. Agent721 I hate to say it, but unless MK is a gigantic seller, the wii u won’t make it past year four. We got this year & maybe next year. Tis a shame & I certainly hope to be proven wrong. David Blaszyk I have a huge history with Nintendo. From receiving my first ever game console (Nintendo 64) to school chats and plays (Nintendo Gamecube and Nintendo DS) to writing news articles (Nintendo DS, Wii and Nintendo 3DS) finally to developing games (Nintendo 3DS and Wii U). I have never switched to Sony/Microsoft/mobile and never will. Long story short: I am a third party developer/publisher for Wii U and 3DS games only and I will stay like that. Even if sales will be 0, I will stay with Nintendo. oontz What games have you developed? David Blaszyk Just click my name and check my website. oontz So from your site it seems you have one active game called chimpuzzle pro which seems to be a cross between lemmings and Tetris? From the gameplay video I watched it seems to need a lot of polish. The environments, character animations, everything looks sub par. I mean no offense but to be honest I wouldn’t buy it, and I probably wouldn’t even download it if it was free. If anything I could offer some friendly advice. Make it on the ios platform as a free to play title and have in app purchases for new puzzle pieces. You’d be better off as it may become the next big time waster… but in the end you said you don’t care if it sells or not, so… Daniel Gonzalez For a guy who claims to only release games on 3DS and Wii U only, you don’t have any released. Just one game thats on PC, Linux and Mac platforms. No offense, but your only active game is better suited for the iOS market( as oontz stated and agree with him on this) or even Android. Especially since free games are better suited for that market. No hard feelings. David Blaszyk I understand what you mean, I heard people saying this a lot before. However, we gave it a try on a local game event and we received more positive comments than negative. We also got a better understanding on where to improve on and we will apply them. Rinslowe I think you should trust your own instinct. If you fail or if the game isn’t received well. Then design a new one, or just adapt it intelligently to another platform. Don’t take advice from guys on here, who have never programmed a game their lives – regarding the direction of your product. (cue in multiple bs speeches about having programming experience in 3 2 1…). Feedback is great. So is constructive criticism. But these guys aren’t genuinely offering either… Good luck on your endeavors. If your game makes it to Wii U, hunt me down and let me know. I’ll try it out. Would you be able to include a demo on the E-Shop? David Blaszyk An eShop demo would be nice to have but it’s an extra submission. Extra submission means extra time and money to spend on. And thanks for your advice. discuss Looked at the website. Sales will be 0. Nintendo should be about quality not quantity. Daniel Gonzalez Somehow I doubt you’re an actual developer. Lol. I never heard of a developer that prefers to make 0 money for his creations. Just out of chance that you actually are, what games have you developed and can you show proof? David Blaszyk It’s alright, fully solid proof can’t exist due to the NDA. This is the closest I can provide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1WJeV-2kNM Vile-Okami If you’re too retarded to figure out Wii U is part of this gen, you probably shouldn’t be writing articles. nexxus6 The internet allows too many people to think that they are accomplished writers with something worth while to say. ~OMEGA~ got to say it, but i really fucking hate nintendo….. oontz And yet here we are on wiiudaily. A site dedicated to Nintendo’s current home console. Thanks for sharing your story. ~OMEGA~ your welcome! i’m sorry i meant to put “hate to say it” instead of “got to say it” and honestly i own a wii u i’m just tired of putting up with nintendo’s shit its tiring Zanzama Successful click bait is successful nexxus6 I think he forgot that Activision has show some massive WiiU support. Also Warner Bros has published a good amount of WiiU games (Injustice, Arkham games, I believe they publish the Lego games too). Too say only Ubisoft has shown support is a bit erroneous. blindtiger Ok ive had about enough of this. Can someone please write a legitimate article about third party support for wii u? Nintendo fans fall (mostly) into one of three groups. There are obviously the children who only own wii u and only play games, rated E, that their parents buy for them (mostly nintendo with a few third party games). Then there are the old schoolers who grew up on nintendo, also only own wii u, and buy mostly nintendo classics with a few of the more mature third party games. Finally, there are the gamers. These people own multiple systems and play everything. I suppose the casuals could form another group. But they only played wii sports, wii fit and wii party and have since moved to smartphones for their minor interest in gaming and will probably never buy another console. The children might buy a couple E rated third party games like rayman but not much else. The old schoolers are mostly concerned with nostalgia and only throw down on the very best of third party offerings. The gamers get their third party kicks on one of their other systems. Theres nothing you can really do about the children. They are too young and have no income. The old schoolers have both money and some mature tastes but have been spoiled by nintendo’s seal of quality for decades so you better bring your A-game to get into their library. But the gamers… oh the gamers. These are the true third party fans. They buy good stuff. They buy bad stuff. They sell back the bad stuff and then try some more stuff. If third parties have a real chance on wii u, it falls (almost) completely in their hands… But how can a third party expect to sell anything on wii u at all when their one hope has another console sitting right next to it? another console that gets ALL of the features (and an earlier release date) for the exact same price. You might want to point out that Arkham Origins was $10 cheaper on wii u but I’m pretty sure most gamers would pay $10 just to try out the multiplayer. I mean they sell games back to gamestop at a fraction of the original price… I don’t think they care about $10. Especially when they pay $10 for a couple different batsuits. So why do third parties consistently shaft wii u ports of their games? Conspiracy is one train of thought and although I occasionally partake in wild theories, lets just pretend thats crazy. “It’s not worth it” or “It wont sell anyway” is another but that is just a self fulfilling prophecy when you release an underfeatured game. Underpowered? Wii u is unquestionably more powerful than a ps3 or xbox360, so any game on those systems has no real excuse. Ps4 and xboxone are a slightly different story but their real time to shine is still a ways off. Install base? well, until last week, wii u had the largest install base. And if everyone knows wii u isnt going to get most of the third party games how can its install base ever hope to improve. But how did everyone know that? Well, the wii. The wii had no hard drive. The wii had crap for online. The wii had no dlc, no patches, no social network, and no media capabilities. The wii was stuck in standard definition and traded everything people loved about the then “next gen” for motion gaming. Motion gaming sold like crazy. The people loved it. They loved it even more than the individual console efforts of sony or microsoft… but it alienated third parties. Third parties now had to port their games into motion control and drop all of the newest features they had just coded. So what did wii get? lame ass ports… from virtually every perspective. Even if a game was exclusive and built for the wii from the ground up it was too foreign for third parties to put too much effort into it… and they still had to sell it to the same three factions of nintendo fans. Sure ps3 and xbox360 had motion gaming but that never really caught on with fans or developers of those systems. So whose fault is it? I guess you could blame nintendo for releasing such a unique system as the wii in the first place and starting this whole mess. But the gamecube was the standardized powerhouse everyone is begging for now and that wasnt exactly successful. Wii u even tried to become more mainstream with HD graphics, a hard drive and a more conventional pro controller. You could blame nintendo for not releasing its first party hard hitters and therefore keeping its core sales down. You could also blame nintendo for keeping a unique architecture while ps4 and xboxone moved to a pc like architecture, making porting much simpler for those systems. You could blame nintendo for introducing the gamepad, but really how hard is it to throw a map or inventory on that screen. You could blame third parties for simply giving up on wii u based on their experiences on wii. They did give up. But whatever you do, don’t blame the fans. The fans are either too young, too old school or simply have better options. Now where does nintendo go from here? thats the million (or billion) dollar question. Wii u has already missed several opportunities. The architecture is what it is. The first party games still arent here. The gamepad, although awesome, still hasnt sold itself by nintendo or otherwise. Third parties are already bitter and the media has already brought down the hammer. If nintendo releases a slew of awesome first party games the media might change its tone and the install base could gradually grow. Then third parties may decide to actually support it, and get compensated for it. But we are talking about years into the consoles life. Wii u really needs a miracle. Its truly a shame how the wii u has been received. I love nintendo and my wii u. I still hope for the best but f*** it, I’m old school. I got mario and its past my bedtime. RANT OVER. Link Slayer “but it’s unknown if Nintendo will be able to support an entire console with first party games only”. I really wish I could of had lots of third party games but I would rather play those games on a system that can wow me with visuals. Nintendo makes amazing games I mean amazing games. There shouldn’t be any reason to buy two consoles but Nintendo has pretty much forced us too. I still love them and there games but I guess we will just have to deal with maybe 5 solid games from Nintendo a year give or take. I really hope they find away to make more games. I don’t know I’m just confused. ben If the developers didnt port shite code to the Wii u then maybe the wii U owners would buy their games. Dcj91x I like how all the other website are reporting how it’s now been discovered just how powerfull the WiiU is and how unknow it’s true power still is while this site is focusing on old news.. Seriously though, name one Nintendo system that has had huge 3rd party support? The 3DS is the best selling gaming system world wide and in each individual country.. on all the top 10 list and in all sales for it all the best games are only Nintendo 1st party games. Look at the review of the best rated games over all systems which ones have the highest ratings? Nintendo 1st part games.. not 3rd party developers or any other games overall. Orange Lada In order to move the platform to allow 3rd party mature content, Nintendo needs to simply pony up cash to “prime the pump”, either as direct payment or marketing incentives. The “priming” should be on the basis that the application is developed native to Wii U, and that Wii U receives a limited time exclusive (ie. first on Wii U). Do that for a dozen games of the “hard core genre”, and Wii U will take off. But … it will cost $. Don’t do it, and Wii U will be relegated to limited/no third party support, as it frankly just costs more to develop for Wii U. Brandon I love how 2 tribes cancels the level editior on wii u & TRIES to give away steam codes…. fuck you two tribes you cannot fucking fix that!!!!!!!! >=( 00EpicGamer00 Am I the only one that really doesn’t care about this? Carlos Matos Wii U es un fracaso comercial = ( ¿qué fallo? lanzamiento SIN JUEGOS, control QUE EL PÚBLICO no quería quizas hayan sido los errores que condenan a Wii U. Me duele como fan de Nintendo admitirlo, pero era mejor haber conservado el control del Wii y gráficas mas potentes, que pudieran competir contra PS4. Carlos Matos Una lástima, Wii U bonita consola, me gusta… pero comprar una consola que no durara más de 3 años me preocupa… sigo dudando si vale la pena arriesgarse a comprar una. Carlos Matos un lanzamiento con un Zelda o un Star Fox hubiesen impulsado ventas y animado a terceras apoyar las consolas, en vez del pésimo y medriocre NintendoLand. GamerWho Why oh why don’t other Nintendo buyers buy third party games? I bought every game mentioned in the article. Cmon there are 6 million of us. Go out and buy a friggen game instead of moaning that your Wii U is gathering dust because Star Fox or Metroid isn’t out yet. GamerWho I realise that Cod and splinter cell are also on 360. Perhaps people bought it on that because they might actually get the DLC and online modes. And so on. If publishers didn’t pre-emptively gimp a Wii U port, it might attract some stronger sales. GamerWho and maybe if the economy wasn’t in such a bad state, companies like Capcom wouldn’t be one failed game away from bankruptcy and could have afforded to support the Wii U from the start. Maybe if company politics didn’t hold back the announcement of Cod ghosts on Wii U it might have garnered more preorders. Maybe if Rockstar would release the Gta port it had running people might have bought it. GamerWho maybe if cod was worth £40 more Wii U owners would have bought it. Maybe if first party games were bad, Nintendo owners would buy more third party games. Maybe if the Internet didn’t get off on slating the WiiU gullible gamers wouldn’t believe all the FUD. Maybe if Ubisoft didn’t secretly want you to buy Watch Dogs on PS4 they would release the WiiU version at the same time. Albert You have said it right to play great games. Unfortunately alot of players have their own genres they prefer. For example I prefer RPG’s. Look at the roster for RPG’s on the Wii U. So I’m only left with going to buy 1st party titles as I know I will enjoy them. I don’t just buy games, I buy only good games, that I know I will enjoy. I and like many will not spend 50 – 60 dollars on crap. And I’m sorry I didn’t buy a WII U to play old games outside of the Wii Games thanks to backwards compatibility. But if a good game shows up I will buy it. And third party developers can’t be saying any of this crap, when they made lazy ports over to the WII U and expected us to buy them. On the reverse side how is Rayman Legends doing, because that was considered a good game. Is that game in the lower % of return?. Is all about the effort made to make the game and the outcome of how good the game is. Troy David Hendrickson To be fair, Sega’s Sonic & Ubisoft’s Rayman are better suited for the Wii U. Games like COD and Assassin’s Creed and Mass Effect, hell even Batman games just aren’t suited for Nintendo. Only thing I can see doing well is Resident Evil. Nintendo has an image and people naturally associated it with certain. Nintendo/Wii U are perfect for party games, colorful action adventure, platformers, and things inline with their first party titles. If third party developers pull out, who cares? It’s not affecting or changing anything. I think if Nintendo can maintain a relationship with Sega, Capcom, Ubisoft that they can attract Nintendo-Phobic people and sell a few more systems when titles hit. Regardless of how many units it sells, it doesn’t change the quality of an impressive system like the Wii U.