Nov 14th, 2012

Nintendo used a recent Nintendo Direct to clarify the Wii U storage options, how games are stored, how much free space each Wii U version has, and more.

The Wii U operating system, the account data, etc., will take up 4.2 GB of internal storage space. Each Wii U is preloaded with this data, which means that the 8 GB Wii U version will only have about 3 GB left for save games, downloads, and such. This is because when the 8 GB is formatted, it ends up with 7.2 GB of usable storage. Then 4.2 GB is taken up by the console itself.

Wii UWe can’t say that we’re surprised that the Wii U operating system and all its features take up this much space. Nintendo has reserved 512 MB of RAM for the OS, which is just as much as the total system memory in the current generation consoles (Wii U games will have an additional 1 GB of RAM available).

The Wii U Deluxe version will ship with 32 GB of storage. When it’s formatted, it will have about 29 GB. Minus the 4.2 GB of system data, this means that the Deluxe version will have about 25 GB to store games, save games, downloads, and more.

Users will likely have to expand with external drives if they’re looking to download a lot of content, since Wii U games will take up quite a lot of space. Nintendo Land takes up 3.2 GB, which means it won’t fit on the 8 GB Basic Wii U. Other games will take up much, much more (the Wii U game disc can store up to 25 GB).

Nintendo recently confirmed that games can only be stored on external USB hard drives, not on SD cards. SD cards, of which the Wii U supports up to 32 GB, can only store save games, Miis, images and similar data.

Source (Nintendo Direct)

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  • Gabe Hoffman

    I can see why the deluxe model is more popular then the basic but I am not too worried since I don’t do retail downloads on consoles. 3GB is still plenty more then what Wii had for space anyway so lets look on the bright side.

    • AKA-Link77

      The deluxe is popular cuz its worth it! πŸ˜‰ not only do u get Nintendo Land 10 dollars off plus a bunch of other gadgets but u get an eShop deal! When u buy digital content for Wii U, including DLG (downloadable games) or download codes, you will earn points 10 % in shop points of the Game bought. For example, a game priced at $59.99, such as New Super Mario Bros. U, would earn 599 points. And for every 500 points you earn, you will receive a code worth $5 in credit to be used in the Nintendo eShop for either Wii U or Nintendo 3DS! πŸ˜‰
      NOTE: This is ONLY available in the Deluxe Wii U bundle.

    • Elite

      Agreed. I always hated having to spend a little more to get minor perks. Bugs the crap out of me that they release another SKU. I’m on a budget as it is, but the basic is all i need to get the wii u experience.

      • da GAMERRRRR


        • justme

          Honnestly I dont think that is really a concern. U can redownload everything for free because you have the rights to once u buy it. The saves can be saved on an SD but that was already a wii-feature. I just think it was about reducing the cost. Just compare it with an xbox360 “arcade” version, i think it was.

          At least you can buy a non-nintendo HDD. Thats good news.

          • Exynoshd

            He meant that if the Wii U breaks there is no way to bring your account over. At the current moment in time, they are tied to the console.

        • Nko Sekirei

          stfu troll were not in the mood to deal with u @$$holes

      • edward montgomery

        What a fail of a console

        • Rikishi

          so true, its supposed to be a next generation console but its not even as advanced as the xbox 360/ps3

          • encarta

            maybe you should get some facts right, it is more powerful than both those consoles. it has more ram for o/s, 1gig dedicated ram for games, larger disc capacity than xbox360, faster disc read speeds than both those consoles, can do proper 1080p not upscaled 1080i, 60fps whilst at 1080p, also stream a second seperate video to gamepad at virtually lag free (which other companies adding as an afterthought won’t be able to achieve), and when plugging in any suitable external HDD (even only on usb2.0) will still have a faster transfer rate than any console reading a disc and faster than xbox360 HDD data transfer, the only issue being if your chosen HDD doesn’t have a fast enough transfer speed. So yes, there’s extra expence if you don’t happen to already have an external HDD, which is strange in this day and age, but i see this whole “not enough storage space built in!” as a non-existent problem.

          • Nko Sekirei

            ur statement is un merit and u have no hard facts to back up ur stupid comment the wii u is 80 to 100 percent more powerful then ps3 and 360 and many third party developers have confirmed it seems u and many trolls cant read articles right and ur too blind to except the truth so do us all a favor and gtfo

        • WANKERJERK

          What a fail of a human. Keep trolling and get burned. Dont buy one then.

          • jeremy

            Im buying it to sell it so everyone keep praiseing it so better chance of buyers πŸ™‚

        • Nko Sekirei

          ur more of a failure here troll on ur false statements

    • Jeffery02

      This is very true, and it sounds to me like Nintendo meant for the retail games to be downloaded to externals. A lot of people I know don’t like the amount of memory that the Wii U comes with nor the fact that you cannot upgrade it like the HDDs on the PS3. Although, when you take into consideration the initial storage space of the PS3 and the fact that externals are cheaper, I feel that being forced to buy a larger internal is worse than having to buy an external, especially since you should always have an external for back ups anyway. Another worry I have heard is how long will load times be from an external, but for that I will wait to have the system before I really judge that. I feel like a lot of people are being way too judgmental with way too little knowledge or experience. Sure you can argue the numbers, but until you see how those “numbers” work in practice, you shouldn’t judge the Wii U, it’s hardware, or it’s capabilities.

      • Majin

        Well, I loaded games from my USB 2.0 HDD on the wii, and I got faster loading times, so it shouldn’t be that bad on the WiiU.

        • Rob

          Yeah – makes sense. The choice is load from USB HD, or Load from an optical disc. Almost always the HD will win.

      • U and Mii

        So, if my N64 VC titles can’t be played on the Gamepad, will I have to buy a pro controller, or would the old classic controller work?

        • Jeffery02

          Who said you can’t use the GamePad? I have no information to go on, but if I was Nintendo, I would make all VC games use the Classic Controller button scheme on the GamePad with an option to stream the VC video to the GamePad. I don’t whether or not they are doing that, but I’d like to see it happen. πŸ˜€

          • U and Mii

            Pretty sure Nintendo confirmed that for now VC titles won’t be compatible with the Gamepad.

      • jeremy

        No matter how fast the hard drive usb has its limits and from what I’ve experienced they die quickly depending on the use

    • Superstick

      I’ve bought over 40 games for my wii and had no problem with it telling me to delete space or anything. There isn’t going to be a problem with my deluxe wii u and space either. Just buy the real games from the store. Nuff said.

    • T2

      Yeah, I agree.
      I’ve never been much of a download person with gaming consoles and I’ll use a SD card for the saves, so I don’t see how that 3GB will be used up that quickly.
      I’ll probably get an external HDD once I feel that it’s necessary to get one.

  • calvinwars

    Well, this isn’t good news. At least external hard drives are relatively cheap now.

    • Bicentennial_Pidgeon

      What external hard drive would you recommend? I wont need more than 100GB, ever.

      Solid-state? Flash? Some other kind? what kind will work with the Wii U, and is cheapest?

      • Mac

        well if you are looking for the cheapest, go for the tradition hard drive
        Pros: you can get 1tb for like 70 up to 100
        Cons: makes lots of noise and they can fail if you dont have it set up in the right environment

        or you can go with an ssd (solid state drive)
        Pros: your start up speed is about triple you will get from a traditional hard drive. more reliable. more durable
        Cons: they are quite expensive. 80 gb ssd can range from 80 to 150 dollars depending on whos making it.

        im getting an ssd since they are nore durable and reliable but if you dont want to shell out a crap ton of money go with a traditional hard drive. hope that helped πŸ˜€

        • Bicentennial_Pidgeon
          • Mac

            ok first off, yep that will be just fine and two, THANK YOU i was gonna buy a 60 gb ssd for less that price. im getting almost triple than what i was gonna pay for plus i dont need to buy a sata adapter now πŸ˜€

          • Mac

            oops meant more that price

        • Dan

          Keep in mind that, although SSD’s are fast, you are limited by the Wii U’s USB 2.0 speed, which is much slower. SSD’s don’t have moving parts like traditional hard drives, so they should be more durable, but that is about the only benefit.

        • HappyCamper

          Other than that ssd is expensive because its fast but while using usb 2.0 interface you’ll never achieve that speed.

          Its a waste of money if you ask me. Go for hdd.

  • Gabe Hoffman

    Wait I thought Nintendo had 1GB reserved for OS on Wii U.

    • NintendoMan :D

      Yeah, I thought it was 2GB total, 1 for OS and 1 for games.

      • Treebeard

        you’re thinking RAM cache

        • Major Marvelous

          “Nintendo has reserved 512 MB of RAM for the OS… (Wii U games will have an additional 1 GB of RAM available).”

          This is the part in the article that he was talking about.

      • Mida

        Can somebody explain to me what they mean by formatted and makes it have less memory now?

        • Indirect

          Any file system needs a file allocation table. Think of it as a table of contents for all your files. The bigger the storage, the bigger the file allocation table. Without it, you would have to keep track of where all the files are yourself,and you don’t want that. This is why the formatted capacity is always smaller than the total size.

          • Mida

            Ohh. Gotcha

    • Byte Man

      That’s RAM, not SSD space. What they are reffering to is the fact that the OS, which is a program like Windows, will require 4.2 GB of SSD space. The 1GB of dedicated Memory is so that it is fast and responsive, not the size of the program.

    • D2K

      I think a lot of people just post what they think rather than what they actually know. All we know is that the Wii U has 2 GB of RAM and the GPGPU also has RAM. How all of that is distributed has never been officially explained by Nintendo.

  • 007 1/2

    This was a bad idea for nintendo.

    • Castamere

      How so? Its expandable nonvolatile memory is more than sufficient for every game you want to download. If you’re not planning on downloading retail games, the rest of the memory left on the console itself as well as the addition of a convenient USB flash drive or hard drive should be enough for downloadable content and eShop games.

      • Nintendonoob

        Not to offend Nintendo or anything but why didnt they just include 4.5 more gigabytes so the user will still have the 8 they wanted? I know I will get hated for this but really? Do we really need to store games on a usb? Looks like my 16 gig is only for saves now. And why couldnt Nintendo just include cloud storage? It would be really convenient. And sure alot of people are buying the Basic Wii U but now the front is misleading. It says 8 gigabytes but now the user only has 3 gigabytes to get games. Sorry Nintendo but I think you made a really bad move right here. At least include a cloud storage or your own usbs at a cheaper price for Wii U. I love you and all that but this… this is just… POOP! I know this will get me alot of thumbs downs but I just want you too look at this and think… One more thing that would make me happy is if Nintendo releases either a: update that lets sd cards to store games or make usbs at a dicounted price. Thanks if you do this Nintendo!!!

        • Bicentennial_Pidgeon

          Goodbye. Energy blast-wave time.



          • Melee



        • Indirect

          Well if they just added 4.5GB, then people would still complain about not having all their storage space. The internal memory was never meant to store games. If you were planning to do that then you are crazy. Nintendo provides a perfect solution for storing more.

          Plus, cloud services don’t just fall from the sky. Intakes major despises to create. It’s better to roll out a working solution on day 1, than try to putup some half working cloud infrastructure.

        • RodSF4

          i can fully understand how you feel. but it’s no different when you buy a PC that says it has 500GB of HDD, but when you boot your windows, you find it has less than that. part of the HDD space is for the OS and bios space.

          when you buy a mobile phone with built-in memory, it’s the same thing, part of it is for the OS and what-not.

          can’t say the same for ps3/xbox360, coz they’re referring to add-on HDD space. but as for the built-in hdd space, it would be the same case, part of it will be used by OS and others.

          • Indirect

            OS does not factor into this, you see this happen on drives with no OS on them. Neither does BIOS. The BIOS is stored on the motherboard.

        • KINGTENDO

          you right,i couldn’t had said it better…….AND FUCK THUMB’S UP AND THUMB’S DOWN BRO.


          KEEP IT REAL.

        • kyuubikid213

          While I’m also a little upset, it isn’t that big of a deal. If you’re going to buy a lot of downloads, then it makes sense for you to get more memory which would either A) involve you getting the Deluxe Bundle or B) buy external memory drives. I haven’t bought a lot of stuff anyway on either the Wii or 3DS digitally, so I should be good using this 3GB for saves and maybe adding a USB in the future for games and such.

          Besides that, adding the extra 4.5GB would bring the price up to a point where people would call “shenanigans” and refuse to buy it for being so expensive. I’d rather have to buy my own memory relatively cheap than get a system that’s $450+ just to have several more GBs of space.

        • encarta

          cloud storage would only be an answer for game saves, as to store a large game and have good enough read speeds from cloud storage would be unlikely. Game saves though dont take up much space at all, so therefore storing on inbuilt storage or adding an extra SD card isn’t unreasonable. cloud is beneficial as backup in case your console gets nicked, burnt in a fire or data corrupts. All you have to do is save files to internal, possibly back up to SD like on wii and play games from disc. But if you download larger games than put them on an external HDD of your choice, with a good enough data transfer rate at a price that you think is reasonable. I really didn’t think so many people didn’t already have a usb HDD, you can use it or many other devices too; backup important files from your PC, photos, music, etc. You won’t be wasting money at all.

      • Nko Sekirei

        well im not planning on downloaded tons of games from the online store unless its something worth while to play but i stick to wii u games it self so i have plenty of space for dlc for bo2 and many others

  • Howdy

    I got the Deluxe version and the only games that I will be downloading are Gamecube and lower games (SNES, other Eshop retro games) and even then not many of them, so I’m not worried about storage on the 32GB model,

  • Stephan


    I have a 500GB G-Drive hard drive. Will I be able to use that for the Wii U? If so, I’ll be just fine.

    • Byte Man

      If it is USB @.0, and is below 3TB, than it should suffice.

  • Kahhhhyle

    This whole memory situation is getting annoying. Almost makes me want to wait for the inevitable higher storage models… Just kidding I wouldn’t miss this launch for the world. Though I gotta say this news makes the 8 gig model look like a waste of time

    • Nintedward

      It’s a bare bones model. Don’t knock it , till you try it.

      It’s perfect for someone who, A=already has a hard drive lined up and only wants to download none full games such as toki tori. B= wants a white WiiU, C= Does not have any intention of getting Nintendo Land.

      The white Wiiu is awesome and nobody should have any shame in buying one. Just plug in a small hard drive and if you want to buy all your games physically , it’s perfect for you.

      That being said, I think the way Nintendo has Packaged the wiiu is a bit untidy. It should just be
      Black deluxe, White deluxe , Black basic , White basic. nuff. said.

      • Kahhhhyle

        I agree with your last point because I wanted a white deluxe, but the basic really should have been 16 gigs, now that we see this information. If I couldn’t get a deluxe I would get a basic so I wouldn’t say there’s shame in it, but I don’t agree with Nintendo’s choice here 3 gigs won’t get you much even if you buy all your games physically, game saves are getting bigger not smaller

        • Nintedward

          True on the game saves. As much as I adore Nintendo and the WiiUltra , Nintendo make some silly choices sometimes. They must get lost in translation and culture from Japan to USA and EU.

          • Kahhhhyle

            Well luckily most if their silly choices are easily fixed through software updates or hardware iterations. The only one that can’t be fixed is the lack of multi touch, which is semi-understandable because that would have REALLY driven up prices

          • Lazyboy88

            You don’t really need multi-touch when you got all the other bottens to play with..

          • Nintedward

            @Kahhhhyle- I really don’t think Multitouch is nessecary for the wiiu or 3ds.
            What use is it ? zooming into a photo with 2 fingers ? GREAT!!! well the wiu doesn’t need that cus it has buttons to do that unline most capacative smartphones.

            Honestly if you think about it . a capacative touchscreen is more of a gimmik than a resistive one is. The resistive one does everything Nintendo want with full precision and allows for stylus hand drawn messages.

            I honestly think for a console with buttons , resistive touchscreens are better.

            Look how far the ps vitas capacative touchscreen has got it. nobody even uses or appreciates it.

        • encarta

          how would having an extra few gigs make that much difference for what you are saying 3GB isn’t enough? If you’re planning on downloading full titles then you’ll run out of space on a 16gb quick enough anyways, so you’ll still need an external HDD. 3gb is plenty enough for save games and profiles, 10 more or so GB will only get you 2 more full retail games installed.
          Some people seem to be moaning about this without actually thinking it through realistically.

      • Raif

        That would pretty much double the cost of manufacturing!

    • Kahhhhyle

      also do we know if the wii u will actually measure space in bytes intead of the the “blocks” system theyve been using since the gamecube?

  • Nintendude

    I read this on the forums before I saw it here.

  • TheCruzKing

    Hmm a little miss leading but not to big of an issue since they allow an external Hard drive, which those carry way more storage and are a lot cheaper.

  • NintendoMan :D

    I probably won’t be downloading full games to my console, so this really doesn’t bother me. I like to have physical copies of games so if my console breaks, I will still have the games. This 3 days is going to feel like 3 weeks, I know it. Like if you’re excited and pre-ordered a Wii U!!! πŸ˜€

    • Aaron

      I have no Idea why anybody would dislike your comment…

      • Nintendonoob

        You gotta remember… Since this site is so popular alot of Phony fanboys and Microdick nerds are coming to diss the Wii U. They only do this because they know the Wii U will be a smash hit and they want to take away its thunder… WELL GUESS WHAT FANBOYS!? TRYING TO STOP THE WII U HYPE IS LIKE AN ANT TRYING TO STOP A TRAIN!!!! YOU WILL NEVER MAKE NINTENDO LOOK BAD!!!! IF YOU DO I WILL BE SURE TO SPAM YOUR PEESEX4 AND YOUR JERKBOX NOOB20!

        • PKUltima

          Calm down now, if you don’t act mature and polite then the trolls will have won.

  • Aaron

    I am slightly disappointed…

    • Aaron

      Although I’m getting the deluxe I thought I would have 32 gb excluding game save data and console data…..

      • Suiadan

        I know this may be a bit annoying, but you can buy some really small usb disks for like $10 with 16 GB. I have one that’s a PNY that I paid $20 for. it has 32 GB and is really small. It’s definitely small enough to put on the back of the Wii U and forget it’s there. At least we’re not having to spend like $100 for a small amount of extra space (Vita). Hell, if you’re out on black friday I guarantee there’ll be 500 GB externals for around $40-$50.

        • Kevin White

          This is a USB “disk?”

          If you’re referring to a USB Flash Drive, Nintendo does not recommend using one of those.

          • Kyle

            He is referring to a disk drive.

        • SUperMetroid1234

          I’ll pass on the black friday I know there are good deals but I don’t feel like waiting in line before midnight.

          • Kevin White

            a disk drive with 16 GB of storage?

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        Try TGI friday’s Bacon chease potato skins! the perfect geek food.

  • Beeshnu

    How much sh!t do you reckon we are gonna get
    From all those Sony and Microsoft Fanboys

    Oh well i survived the Wii period

    • Treebeard

      hey, they can’t complain. their consoles probably don’t even have hard drives!

    • Aaron

      Well I really haven’t hear people make fun of the Wii storage space… But I remember back in the day when games just took up mb and kb So You can download plenty of virtual console games

      • D2K

        Nintendo knows how to compress data better than anyone. You could download a surprisingly large amount of data on the Wii flash memory.

  • SideScreamer

    Still would have liked to have seen the Deluxe Wii U come in White.

  • AKA-Link77

    Tho i dont plan on downloading any huge games i got a back up hard drive just in case. πŸ˜€ And its a good thing im gettn’ the premium Wii U! πŸ˜‰

  • Ledreppe

    I suppose it’s not surprising then, that basically 1 game (at full 25GB size) will only be able to be stored in flash memory, this being the game you currently want to play. Then move that game when finished to the USB HDD and downlaod another full size retail digital game to the flash memory to play. All I can say now, is thank God I got a 32 GB model!

    • Kevin White

      You’re misunderstanding a couple things.

      1. Not all retail games will be 25 GBs. Mario is 2, Nintendoland is 3.2, Tekken is 16.7.

      2. You don’t move games back and forth between the internal memory and the USB HDD (unless the internal memory has faster loading times and that’s a big thing for you). Games, once installed to the USB HDD, can be played right off of the USB HDD.

    • Indirect

      Trust me, you don’t want a 25GB game on your internal memory. It will load so much quicker from the disk or an external hard drive. It’s not like the internal flash memory is special. It’s probably close to the speed of a thumb drive, which isn’t much.

  • flashdrive

    do you guys think that 3gb is enough for save games only?

    • The Detonator

      FLASHDRIVE!!!! you havent been on the forums! why?

    • The Detonator

      and yes. 3gb to save games is plenty. if you dont download games your fine.

    • John C

      With SD cards, absolutely. Not more than two weeks ago, Costco had a 32GB SD card on sale for about $19, so if you don’t need all the perks of the Deluxe bundle, you really won’t suffer for a lack of space in the long run.

      • The Detonator

        sd cards will not be used for wii u save data.

        • Kevin White

          Correct, unless you bought an external USB SD Card reader, which Nintendo does not recommend.

        • encarta

          i think we need to define ‘save data’, because to me i’m thinking game’s progress save file, which won’t be big, and reading the article again i see that it says game saves can be stored on SD card, meaning game progress, not content of disc or download.

          • Kevin White

            The translation from Iwata’s presentation states Wii U save games cannot be stored on SD. Guess we’ll find out in a few days.

    • Ledreppe

      Yes, definitly. But if you start using it to put small indie eShop games onto you will be struggling after a short while.

  • Treebeard

    Barrum! do not anger the ent of downloads!

    • Treebeard

      oh well, I already have a 4 terabyte external hard drive (1 TB is 1024 GB)

      • Kevin White

        Do you plan to use the 4 TB hard drive with the Wii U? Cuz if so you should know two things:

        1. Nintendo’s OS and file system can only address up to 2 TBs of storage capacity

        2. It is not clear yet if it will be possible to pre-partition a USB HDD so that Nintendo only sees part of it, but what is clear is that if you don’t partition, the formatting makes the entire drive (likely all 4 TBs even though it can only use 2 TBs) useless for use on PC (and also erases all data).

        • NintendoMan :D

          I route it through my computer.

          • Treebeard

            yes. that is what I do as well.

          • Kevin White

            You do what now?

        • AM

          I think he could partition it. One could be a regular PC formatted partition and the other a Wii U partition.

  • AnesthesiaGamer

    So complicated! But it makes sense.

    It’d be nice if Nintendo allowed integration with the cloud.
    At first I thought Dropbox or google drive…but then people would share games.

    • encarta

      why need the cloud? it’ll be no use for data from a disc/download as read speeds wouldn’t be good enough. it’ll only be useful for game progress saves, which don’t take up much data and you’ll have plenty of options to store that; internally, SD card, USB HDD, etc.
      It is useful as a backup in case of fire/theft/corruption, etc. but isn’t going to remedy the lack of internal storage space this article is about.

  • John C

    I am a little disappointed at how disjointed Nintendo’s approach seems to be. It seems the internal memory is really just for game saves, some DLC, and maybe Wii-U Virtual Console titles. Anything really significant practically screams for an external hard drive. But it doesn’t look like it’ll be compatible wtih network storage, like my Synology NAS. I expect that Microsoft and Sony will be more open to standards like DLNA and network saves than Nintendo, who seems to lack any engineering expertise that involves networking.

  • DragonChi

    the OS has 1 gig of ram dedicated to it. not 512. This has been common knowledge for a while now. The whole system has 2 gigs. 1 for the OS, 1 for the games.

    • Nintedward

      ”512 MB of RAM for the OS, which is just as much as the total system memory in the current generation consoles (Wii U games will have an additional 1 GB of RAM available”

      Yep, that’s incorect. 1GB video and 1GB OS. 2GB overall.

  • Choda

    just buy a usb 2.0 500 gig external drive for 60 bucks and you will never worry again. storage is cheap and you can play your games right off the drive.

    • Treebeard

      not if I want to download the internet!


  • NintendoGMR95

    Well this isn’t affect me” as long as i can save my Wii U game memory on the SD Card, besides i don’t really like downloading full retail games anyway “3DS” and not gonna do “Wii U” either.

    Cuz if you download a full retail game’ it takes up alot of space” which isn’t worth it’ in my opinion, besides there’s nothing better then owning the phyisical copy.

    Wii U FTW!!!

    • Kevin White

      “Well this isn’t affect me” as long as i can save my Wii U game memory on the SD Card”

      Sounds like it will affect you then, because you cannot save your Wii U game memory on the built-in SD card reader.

      • encarta

        you can save your game progress on an sd card, read the article again, he’s referring to the old fashioned ‘game save’ as he says he has no intention of downloading full titles. what would be the point of the sd card integration otherwise?

        • Kevin White

          The point of SD card integration is there is no SD card integration — with Wii U software. It’s only for backwards compatibility. This is stated in the translation of Iwata’s presentation.

          Oh, and the article above is wrong according to the translation.

          Guess we’ll find out soon.

  • RSBzero

    If you pre ordered the white one just buy a 10 gig flash memory card to save all your games when you have a lot of them, remember the system also supports 3 tb hard drives= 3,072 gigs and lower, problem solved at a budget

    • Kevin White

      Nintendo does not recommend the use of USB Flash drives.

      • Kevin White

        Three downvotes? I didn’t say it, Iwata did.

    • Dan

      This is what Nintendo put on their FAQ for external USB storage:

      Can I use a Flash/Thumb drive as an external storage device?

      Because these devices have a limited number of rewrites and are not suited to long-term storage of important game data, we do not recommend the use of Flash/thumb drives as an external storage device solution. For best results on memory storage, we recommend using a hard drive with its own power supply that connects to the Wii U via the USB port on the console.

      Commercial Flash memory has a limit on the number of times you can write over it, and we don’t recommend long-term storage of important save data.

      Can I use an SD Card to use and save game data on the Wii U?

      For Wii U, SD Cards can be used for saving a picture of your Mii and QR Code patterns for your Mii but not as an external storage device for Wii U software. SD Cards can, however, be used in Wii mode to save data for Wii games. This data is managed through the Data Management feature in Wii mode. SD cards are also used to transfer data from Wii to Wii U.

  • icanseeu

    What I can’t understand is why the didn’t just add an internet hard drive like the PS3 and Xbox360 have had for the last 6-7 years?

    • Treebeard

      just wire it through your computer and BOOM! you can use any external storage sources!

    • joe

      internal hd’s are not as reliable maybe? I’m kinda glad they didnt do it that way.

    • RSBzero

      Because internal hard drives are way more expensive, the wii U would be $450 easy with internal HDD, the size would be bigger and I remember a 500 gig Xbox hd for $300 at one point, right now 500 gig external hdd’s for $25

  • TheUNation

    It’s all good. By the time I save up all of my hard earned cash (after getting the Wii U Deluxe Set, a Pro controller and at least a game), I’ll be ready to purchase a 1 to 2 TB external hard drive.

  • D2K

    The only problem I can see with this are people whom are download junkies or just feel that the MUST install every game that they buy.

    I’m not really sure what benefit you would get from installing a bunch of games on a Nintendo console anyway. Loading times have never been a problem with Nintendo. Their console have always been fast loaders.

    And as I have said before, those whom do obsess over such things either already have a large HDD on stand-by, or are planning to get one soon. I have not heard that you cannot have multiple HDDs for the console. As long as it is formatted for the Wii U, you can have several HDDs with tons of games.

    The only question I have is will game boot directly from the hard drive, or will you still need the disc? I always felt that it defeated the purpose by forcing you to still need the disc to run the game after installing it to your HDD.

    • icanseeu

      It has been confirmed you can only use one external hard driver per console, also once its been formatted on a WiiU you cannot use it on another PC/Mac/console without wiping its content first.

    • Kevin White

      “The only question I have is will game boot directly from the hard drive, or will you still need the disc? I always felt that it defeated the purpose by forcing you to still need the disc to run the game after installing it to your HDD.”

      Actually, there has been no indication at all that it is possible to install a game from an optical disc onto the USB HDD. I’m going to guess that’s a big “no.”

      Installing retail games on USB HDD is for when you decide to buy those as digital distributions. For instance, all but two of the Wii U retail disc launch games, in Japan, will also be available as digital downloads.

    • Indirect

      You will still need the disc. Nintendo is not stupid.

    • D2K

      icanseeu: “It has been confirmed you can only use one external hard driver per console”

      Kevin White: “Actually, there has been no indication at all that it is possible to install a game from an optical disc onto the USB HDD. I’m going to guess that’s a big β€œno.”

      Indirect: “You will still need the disc. Nintendo is not stupid.”

      If all these things are true then to me it seems like a waste of time to even bother with an external HDD. I’ll just stick with SD cards for game saves if I run out of room, which I probably won’t.I have a 120 GB HDD for the 360 and after all the gave saves, full game installs, and XBLA games downloaded I still haven’t used half of it yet.

      Eventually there will be a Wii U with a larger storage capacity, but as of right now I’ll pass on the external HDD thing.

      • Kevin White

        You cannot use SD cards on the built-in card reader for game saves (or anything) for any Wii U software, whether it’s on optical disc, digital distribution of a retail game, or an eShop-only game.

        You can use SD for legacy Wii saves, WiiWare, etc. only.

        You could purchase an external USB SD Card reader for Wii U stuff and then use an SD card. Nintendo doesn’t recommend this but it would probably work. But you can’t use the card reader that’s built into the Wii U.

        • D2K

          You aren’t making their case any better. I know you are just stating the facts but I’m trying to find a silver-lining in all of this and you keep posting more disappointing information.

      • Indirect

        Yeah, it’s not like the 360 or PS3 where you install the disc to your hard drive because there would Benoit benefit. USB 2.0 is much slower than the optical disc which is at least a SATA.

        • Kevin White

          The Wii U’s optical is said to peak at 22.5 MB/sec (who knows how accurate that is or what the actual average speed is?).

          USB 2.0 is specified to move 480 Mb/sec or 60.0 MB/sec. In practice the maximum throughput actually seen in best case scenarios is 30-40 MB/sec. I’m guessing a decent USB HDD could move at least as quickly as the optical drive.

          USB Flash thumb drives do often have very lackluster performance (I see 5 MB/sec or even worse mentioned) but they don’t have to.

          By the way, the kind of SD cards that are compatible with the Wii U’s internal SD Card reader max out at a theoretical 10 MB/sec. If you use an external USB SD Card reader you might be able to use faster cards for the Wii U software, but that is not recommended anyway.

  • KidSqueek

    So if and when they start releasing downloadable GameCube games, it’d be wiser to save those games on a external drive if you get the basic package. Those games are like what, not even a gig?

    • Bill

      Game cube games discs 1.5 gigs. Resident Evil 4 was a 2 disc game. So yes Game Cube games can be more then 1 gig.

  • Hibill18

    Well, with all the functions on the Wii U, it seems understandable (but I could be wrong- I’m not too good with stuff like this). Either way, external memory cards are easy to find now, so it shouldn’t be too much of a problem!

  • Ed

    Can someone clarify for me? Will the 3GB be for just save games or for the game discs as well?

    • Indirect

      It’s obviously for game saves. With a disc size of 25GB how many games do you think will be below 3GB?

  • Sobari

    Not really an issue since the built-in memory was never meant to be used for anything more than save data and pre-installed apps. Enthusiasts that would download whole games and DLC would have sprung for external storage either way.

  • Superrty

    Eh, whatever

  • WiiUlover

    Looks like ill be getting a memory card.

    • icanseeu

      You cant save downloaded WiiU games or WiiU DLC to a memory card by the way.

  • Kevin White

    A couple corrections:

    “Each Wii U is preloaded with this data”

    Some of it may be preloaded, but other bits will be downloaded on your first trip online — MiiVerse, TVii, Wii BC, videochat, etc. all require a “day one patch.”

    “This is because when the 8 GB is formatted, it ends up with 7.2 GB of usable storage.”

    It’s a small point, but 8 GB is never really 8 GB once you get through the binary system. You basically have to divide 8 by 1.024 three times, which brings you down to 7.45 GB. The proprietary file system scaffolding eats up the other 0.25 GB to bring it to 7.2 GB.

    On the 32 GB, accounting for the binary system brings you down to 29.8 GB. The file system eats 0.8 GB of that.

    “Nintendo has reserved 512 MB of RAM for the OS”

    All indications are that they’ve reserved 1 GB of RAM for “system software.” Now, that could include the OS itself as well as reserve space necessary for things like chat and MiiVerse.

    “Nintendo Land takes up 3.2 GB, which means it won’t fit on the 8 GB Basic Wii U”

    …but can be played just fine off of the optical disc. The 3 GB is for save games for the most part. If you only plan to buy retail discs and have save games you’ll probably be okay for a long time on the Basic model without a USB drive. If you get heavily into Downloadable Content, want to save a lot of material in something like Scribblenauts, are looking to acquire Wii U eShop or Wii U Virtual Console games, or you want to go the route of downloading games that are also available as physical copies, that’s when the USB drive comes into play.

    “SD cards, of which the Wii U supports up to 32 GB, can only store save games, Miis, images and similar data.”

    I don’t know that we’ve gotten any confirmation on saving Wii U save games on the SD. What we do know is that the SD slot is basically the Wii Backwards Compatibility slot (count on it disappearing on Wii Us sold from 2015 and later). By the way, you *can* use SD cards to store Wii U games on an SD card, IF you use an external USB SD Card reader. That’s not recommended by Nintendo though, same as USB Flash Drives.

    • Indirect

      Your comment about a base 1000 vs a base 1024 system is an often quoted fallacy. Why would they use two different system? It would onlyfeed confusion for consumers.

      Formatted size is due to the file allocation table.

      • Kevin White

        Doesn’t really matter, but generally speaking you’re wrong. They do use two different systems. And they do feed confusion for consumers. Just do a Google search along the lines of “Windows only recognizing 465 GB of my 500 GB drive” or “why does my 320 GB drive show as only 298 GB?” It’s all over the place.

        If I produce a “1 Terabyte drive” I’m technically giving you 1 trillion bytes. That’s fine. But a Terabyte is actually 1024 Gigabytes. A Gigabyte is actually 1024 Megabytes. A Megabyte is actually 1024 Kilobytes. A Kilobyte is actually 1024 Bytes.

        So to the computer:
        1 KB = 1024 Bytes
        1 MB = 1024 KBs = 1,048,576 Bytes
        1 GB = 1024 MBs = 1,048,576 KBs = 1,073,741,824 Bytes
        1 TB = 1024 GBs = 1,048,576 MBs = 1,073,741,824 KBs = 1,099,511,627,776 Bytes

        To make an *actual* Terabyte would require 1,099,511,627,776 Bytes, but I’m giving you only 1,000,000,000,000 Bytes. That’s about 0.91 Terabytes.

        If a storage medium is expressed in TBs, you can bet you have to divide by 1.024 to the fourth power. If it’s in GBs, you have to divide by 1.024 cubed. And so on.

        Math is fun.

        • Kahhhhyle

          My brain hurts

          • Bill

            I understand this completely.

          • Kevin White

            Yah, that fifth grade math can get pretty intense.

        • Indirect

          Yeah, I wish I could find the article, but my understanding is that is true for hard drives, but not flash based memory.

          • Kevin White

            It applies to flash-based memory too, for the most part. See the Microsoft Surface.

  • Chris

    Looks like I’ll be buying a 32 GB SD Card, then.

    • Kevin White

      Hi Chris, what do you intend to do with that SD Card?

      • Chris

        Store save data for my Wii U games.

        • Kevin White

          You cannot.

          The built-in SD card reader can do WiiWare, Wii Virtual Console, and Wii save game data.

          It cannot interact with the Wii U, whether save game data, digital downloads, eShop, DLC, patches, etc. Sorry.

          The only way you could use an SD card for anything Wii U-related would be if you got an external USB SD Card reader. However, Nintendo specifically warns against doing that, as well as against using USB Flash memory.

          • Kevin White

            Two downvotes? I didn’t make it like that Nintendo did.

  • Pokemonlp10

    I’m fine with this. Either way, I only got the deluxe set for a $10 cheaper version of Nintendo Land.

  • Gamer

    Let us that got the delux bundle relax. If you chose the basic, no one forced you, buy an external drive and everything will be all gravy.

    • Thhwhat

      That’s stupid. You shouldn’t NEED to buy an external hard drive to have a functioning console.

      • Indirect

        You still don’t need one.

      • Sobari

        Uhh, how the fuck does that make it non-functioning? Everything you need additional storage for are optional luxuries like downloading digital versions of retail games.

      • encarta

        how is it “non-functioning” without a HDD? you couldn’t install game discs on xbox until a few years ago, it worked fine before then. game saves don’t take up much space, which 3GB is plenty for. And DLC is optional, you don’t need to buy it, but if you did there’s an external USB HDD of your choice. Yes it costs extra but so did the 120GB HDD for my xbox360, that didn’t come with my original console, that i chose to buy when i needed more space.

  • Lozeot

    You know, with this Deluxe Download Savings Program or whatever it is, extremely large games, and only 25 GB of storage, Nintendo could make all its money lost on Wii U consoles by selling specialized hard-drives and such for game download. Obviously, this will not improve physical game sale, so that would be a smart move for them. Just sayin’.

    • Lozeot

      The deluxe program would not improve physical game sale; I wasn’t talking about the hard-drives. Obviously, I’m implying the Deluxe Wii U. In case you didn’t know, Nintendo loses money on every Wii U sold, and even more money on every Wii U not sold->[laughter]<.

  • Jeovany

    Nintendo is really screwing people with the standard model

    • Indirect

      Standard model is fine. It will be cheaper in the long run to use an external, than if the system came with one.

      • D2K

        It’ll be cheaper, but is there any real benefit to having one at this point? With list of all the things you ‘cannot’ do with external storage much larger than the things you actually can do to me I’m starting to lean towards the “they should have put a HDD in there” crowd.

        It’s like promising someone whom has been waiting all day for a nice juicy bacon double-cheeseburger with lettuce and tomatoes. Then when the time comes all they have is a bun and some lettuce. It’s better than nothing, but hardly worth the wait.

        They made this more of a chore than it needed to be The 3GB model (and since that is all you get to use that is what I’ll call it) does seem like a rip-off. This could be a albatross that hangs around the neck of the Wii U for awhile.

    • Kyle

      How are they screwing people? It is pretty much just like the Xbox 360 Arcade version. Its for people that can’t afford the Deluxe, but can still get one and play games.

      • D2K

        I would argue that a $50 dollar difference is not much of a savings considering that you still have to buy a game anyway and Wii U games retail for $50 dollars. So it basically balances out to spend $350 dollars on a system with only 3GB of useful space and a game, or $350 dollars on a system with 25 GB of useful space with a pack-in game.

        The XBOX 360 Arcade systems (both the original and the 4GB Kinect models) retailed for $199 where as their counter parts retailed for over $300 dollars depending on the size of the HDD. There are any number of cheap 360 games that you can get to kick the system off. So you still would spend much less money doing that.

        The point is that the 8GB Wii U is somewhat of a rip-off. Not a huge deal, but not good either. I think they should have gone with 16GB for the regular model. After OS installation and what not at least that would be enough room for one full game install.

  • NintendoMan :D

    anyone seen nintendo of japan’s page on mii creation yet? it is worthy of much praise.

    • Treebeard

      yes it is.

      • Treebeard

        sorry. that made no sense. I meant… actually, Idon’t know what I meant. Did I post that?

  • Linskarmo

    I hope I can sell my SD card then… And I’ll need a big flash drive if I decide to download some very large games.

  • Bill

    A lot op people who play games on a game console are kids under 15 years old. The do not know much about computers, nor do there parents. So for them downloading games is not something they even may be aware of. The small amount of memery will not affect them. Hard core gamers know about computers and storage. I will not be downloading retail games because it will eat away at my download limit of only 100 gigs a month. I have a fast enought connection that is would only take 30 minutes to download most games. People on DSL will find it might take over an hour to download some games.

    • Kevin White

      I agree, 3 GBs should be more than adequate if you stick with buying or renting the physical disc forms of games. Plenty of easy to use save game space.

  • Treebeard

    wait. that ‘yes it is’ made no sense. am I crazy? maybe I’m short on chlorophyll and entwash water.

  • theorangefish

    If the internal storage of the Wii U has the manufacturer laziness AND IT IS GOING TO HAVE IT the white system won’t even have 8 GBs of storage.
    1000 MB ARE NOT 1 GB
    1024 MB ARE 1GB
    The more space tou buy the more you lose (320GB HDD = 312 GB space)

    • Kevin White

      Actually 320 GB in marketing = 298 GB in actual computer storage. See my explanation above.

      Automobile and motorcycle manufacturers routinely do this too. For instance, a Kawasaki ZRX1200R has a 1164cc engine, not a 1200cc engine.

      The white system has 3 GBs of storage available. If you plan to buy any retail games on the optical disc from Amazon or in the store, don’t bother with downloadable content, and don’t buy any eShop “download only” games, the white system should have more than enough storage to fulfill your needs for years.

      Nintendo positioned each of these initial launch systems quite nicely from an internal storage perspective:

      –The 8 GB white system is completely adequate for users who will use the Wii U as a more conventional system with little in the way of digital downloads. Good for parents buying for younger users too.

      –The 32 GB black system (24.8 GBs of storage available, over eight times more than the white system), with its online reward points system, is aimed at users who will start looking at DLC, maybe digital copies of a couple retail games, and some eShop games. Yes, they’ll probably soon need to buy a USB HDD, but 24.8 GBs available on day one means we have *TIME* to see some drives auditioned in the press and by early adopters and therefore figure out which USB HDD options work best with the Wii U. The USB HDD isn’t *immediately* necessary.

  • Djs

    i just get a external drive if i wanna download games instead of cd s πŸ˜€

  • J. Knut

    How about using your phone as an hdd? Could be cool. Can we play downloaded games on other peoples Wii Us? That would mean incredible portability of your games!

    • Kevin White

      You cannot play downloaded games on another person’s Wii U. Each downloaded game is tied to the Wii U that was used to download it.

  • ppp

    They using usb 2.0 or 3.0?
    Can ssd hd be even worth it on usb 2.0?

    • Kevin White

      USB 2.0. SSD probably doesn’t have much in the way of advantage for this application, no. I love the SSD in my work laptop but it would be overkill for the Wii U.

    • PassiveAggressiveObserver

      Yeah. SSD on a USB2 isn’t worth the cost. The transfer speed for USB2 won’t even keep up with the drive access speed.

      As to whether it has USB2 or USB3, the original rumour on specs said USB2. However, i think I saw someone (unsubstantiated) say on a blog that it had USB3.

      How’s that for leaving the issue still murky.

  • KFC

    I already have a 3TB eHDD so I don’t need the deluxe.

  • ProClifo

    Only an idiot would get the basic version.

  • Johny

    its not a problem at all =) even 3GB is plenty for save games and alot of e-shop games…and if you want to store retail games, you just get some external storage which is very cheap these days….

  • MichaelNesodden

    Totally unrelated, but which of the wii U games support off-screen game play? When someone are watching tv etc..?:)

  • VezNetwork

    Don’t get a SSD.

  • PassiveAggressiveObserver

    Haven’t seen this mentioned, but this should be of concern for purchasers of the base model. When a system has to have a software or firmware update, the patch needs to be downloaded as a compressed file, uncompressed, and generally stored somewhere before it can be applied. That means some space has to be reserved for these operations.

    I have a smart phone with 16 GB of memory. Whenever there are major patches to the OS or to the applications, I get constant reminder that I am at the limits of my storage and I need to delete something. So I would definitely advise people to consider, that usable space is even less than 3 GB. However, Nintendo has always been good about keeping game save data small.

  • Kronecker

    Does anyone know if you can just plug in a usb thumb drive instead of a usb hard drive for storage options?

    • T2

      You can.
      But when I watched the Japanese Nintendo Direct, Iwata said he didn’t recommend it since they have a write/erase cycle limit as to how many times you can write/erase data on them.
      (But then again, so do ordinary hard drives.)

      I’m thinking about using the USB thumb drives for the game demos first to see how well it goes.

    • Tobbe

      u have a lower transfere rate on thumbs than ext hdd. so i dont know about the 1001010111 flow via thumbs

  • Arsonist Monkey

    Most of my games will be in Physical form, so i’m okay!

  • King rat

    All of my games will be physical except for virtual console and wii ware equivalent titles!

  • TheImaj

    Makes sense.

  • Family Console

    How about a third option that includes a 500 GB internal hard drive for say 400 bucks. I would buy it. Don’t want to deal with external hard drives that may not work. Are you listening Nintendo?

  • MujuraNoKamen

    I’m a bit dissapointed in Nintendo for this, why didn’t they just give us the 8 or 32GBs as advertised on the Wii U boxes? instead they started with 8/32GB and then used a decent chunk of that up on formatting and other built in “console stuff”. This is what Microsoft did with 360s and that’s one of the things that annoys me about MS and the XBox, I had to go out and buy a Hard Drive for XBox, I paid a sizable sum of money for, I believe, a 30GB Hard Drive and when I got home and connected it, about 25 or so Gigs weer available as the rest had been taken up by pre-progammed stuff! why didn’t they put what they needed onto the Hardware then give us extra memory so we get we we’re told we we’re getting! Oh well it’s not all doom and gloom, it’s enough memory to be going on with (especially if you don’t download that much and certainly if you buy the game discs rather than downloading them) and at least Nintendo have the decency to make Wii U compatible with SD cards and other formats that you probably already own – rather than being like money-grabbing Microsoft who make you go out and buy special, over-priced XBox special memory cards/Hard Drives

  • kyuubikid213

    I have to admit, I was originally disappointed when I heard this news. Then, after I thought about it, I don’t really go for retail downloads in the first place. I only ever bought New Super Mario Bros. 2 as a retail download. I won’t buy enough to justify arguing about my 3GB. Even if I do end up buying a lot of retail downloads, I can just upgrade my storage via USB, external HDD, SD Cards, and the like.

  • Tobbe

    Glad i picked the white console. I planed to use any of my external hdd anyway. All my “Tv and stuff” are black so why hide a brand new amazing console there where everything is black? U miss everything that comes with delux! So? i dont need the other things. No need for Nintendo land. i buy some other game

  • Nadav Erez

    Any way to download games from the web, to hard drive and then run them on the wii u?