Aug 27th, 2012

One of the worries about the Wii U has always been latency between the TV and the GamePad controller. Even a slight delay on the tablet controller could ruin games, but according to developer Two Tribes, that’s not an issue at all. In fact, the GamePad updates quicker than the TV. Two Tribes is currently working on Toki Tori 2 for the Wii U, and when they tried to send images to both the TV and GamePad, the GamePad updated quicker, according to Two Tribes co-founder Colin Van Ginkel. In a recent interview, Van Ginkel said,

“In our test setups we see the GamePad screen updating quicker than our LCD TV’s if we send the exact same image to both.”

wii u gamepadHe added that the only time players could potentially see a delay on the GamePad was if they were sitting too far away from the console, but he did point out that this was “pure speculation” from his point. The controller uses Bluetooth to connect with the Wii U console, and features technologies such as NFC, motion sensors, a gyroscope, and can even carry a separate audio feed.

Van Ginkel also mentioned that it’s likely we’ll see a Toki Tori 2 demo on the Wii U, and that they’re hoping Nintendo offers some of the features that Steam has, including putting games on sale.


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  • NintendoGamer

    Devs praising the Wii U makes us Nintendo fans really happy.

    • elbrody

      My bad bro I accidentally gave the thumb down instead of up

      • Nintedward

        i made it even for you .

    • LEGOkid

      I cant wait until Nintendo reveals the Wii U release date!

      • Nintedward

        i calnt w8 , to just sit and play the wiiu all day on launch day.
        does anybody else feel like they are already there.
        that big glossy black gamepad in my hands XD.

        • Grodus

          Yeah, I feel like it was supposed to be released a couple days ago. /impatiant/ I probablee speelt that wrog. DEAL WITH IT!(by thee way, it’s a jooke. not lke ill make anymor.)

      • TheUNation

        Me either LEGOkid. I hope the rumor of the Wii U North American and Japanese release on November 18th is true, but It doesn’t matter to me. Toki Tori 2 would be one cool FUNtastic game to download on Wii U’s eShop.

    • Lord Carlisle

      Who the heck disliked this?!

      • LyingTuna

        someone who did it on accident. read the other coments.

        • Kirbymon123

          and ps3 fanboys who shouldn’t really be on this site. Yeah I mentioned the Ps3, am i gonna get dislike now?

          • revolution5268

            not really unless you troll then that’s a whole different story.

      • AKA-Link77

        U get a thumbs down no matter what, even if its completly neutral.

    • Macarony64

      this kind of news means that ubisoft saying that assasins creed 3 isues is true that is cause of lack of time and nothing else

      • captainsteve

        I’m with you Mac, time issues are true.

    • XENAJA

      I 4 THAT TO


      Exactly, with so much hate going around, and all the trash-talking over these last months…it is really good to have some good news or a good article showing some proof and positive assurance about Nintendo and the WiiU. I am getting more and more amped for this system and I am probably going to record my fat-@ss doing cart-wheels in front of my Gamestop on the day I get the WiiU, and put it up on youtube hehehehe…Nintendo 4 Life!!!

  • NintendoGamer

    Also, putting games on sale on the Wii U would be awesome. One of the main reasons why I prefer Steam over XBLA and PSN.

    • Lamsaturn

      Well, the 3DS eShop has done that a few times already with the “Month of Mario” thing and a few others, so the Wii U eShop will probably have it too.

      • revolution5268

        i wonder if they are going to do this when the holidays come?

        • TheUNation

          You mean Nintendo and Valve join forces to have Steam on the U?

          • revolution5268

            no i mean special discount in eshop, but i like that idea.

      • AwayToHit

        yeah but those discounts were abysmal. it was only $1 or $2 off -__-

        • Lamsaturn

          True, but keep in mind that the games that were on sale were all no more than $5 if I remember correctly.

          • EPICGAMER111

            i seen two buck games

    • Matthewmc685

      If I remember correctly the Wii did have some sort of system for sales but it was not used all that much and the 3DS made a big improvement with lots of sales at a time for certain types of downloadable software such as their 8-bit summer. If they keep going in this direction than the Wii Ultra will be even more awesome! I just hope they sort out the currency exchange system for the UK so we don’t pay to much more. (but I will have to deal with it if they don’t)

    • Macarony64

      it would be nice if we could buy gamecubes games too

      • NavyBlueYoshi

        you can actually.

      • roedburn

        I thought that was already confirmed. Especially since it won’t support GCube discs anymore.

        • revolution5268

          it was but the question is what game are coming out?

          • Macarony64

            i hope 4 metal gear twin snakes that be epic to have back

      • Lamsaturn

        To my understanding, NGC games have been confirmed for the Wii U. Something that interests me, though, is NGC games that have pressure-sensitive controls.
        Some games, like Super Mario Sunshine, use the pressure-sensitive R and L buttons for interesting gameplay mechanics such as pressing on R a little to have just a squirt of water come out of FLUDD, or pressing hard down to have a strong stream.
        Since the Wii U has triggers which have become the standard in today’s gaming, I’m curious how the Wii U will handle these games. I’m guessing that there will be a virtual button on the touch screen for those commands, but that may become… difficult. Does anyone know for sure if the Wii U touchscreen is pressure-sensitive?

    • onyxninja

      i’m probably just deluded, but my hope is that they will actually get steam on the wii u. not to replace the eshop, just as a companion service to the eshop and miiverse. that would be like combining my two main game sources; in terms of game platforms, i have a wii, a 3ds, and a steam account. has anybody heard any wii u related comments from valve?

      • relo

        May I ask what the use would be of that (having 2 systems for the same thing)? Also I dont know valve said anything, they keep now a days themself pretty much out of the console markets except for some ports.

        • onyxninja

          basically the purpose would be playing steam games like tf2 and portal 2 on the wii u (if valve would be willing to port them). it would also be useful for me because my laptop often has problems with internet connections, and playing tf2 can be a trial sometimes. also, like other people were talking about, steam has tons of great deals all the time. and if you had steam on your wii u, you could get steam chats and stuff from you steam friends while you were playing a wii u game even if they don’t have a wii u.

      • EvanescentHero

        Valve, when the Wii U was announced, said they were interested in it. Personally I’m hoping for Steam as well, or at the very least a Valve Wii U game.

        • Macarony64

          yea a new orange box but instead of having team fortres 1 it have team fortres 2 and portal 2

          • onyxninja

            wasn’t tf2 what they had in the original orange box?

  • Josh

    This article is like music to my ears. SO EXCITED!

  • Lamsaturn

    If this is correct, a lot of those latency rumors are done. I just hope that this is also true for a game that would take some more juice than Toki Tori.

    • EvanescentHero

      It’s been confirmed that the GamePad has next to zero latency, since it’s being streamed from the console itself. That’s one of the big advantages of the Wii U over SmartGlass and Vita–both those services work over wi-fi, meaning there’s possible (probable) delay, especially if your Internet is slow.

      • Lamsaturn

        Good point, I didn’t think of the fact that WiFi rather than direct connection could have a very serious impact on latency. Well, it’s good to hear. I look forward to September 13th.

        • nuclear

          Do you know what WiFi is? I don’t! And I think you also don’t. What I read is, that its just a marketing name for radiocommunication what includes Wlan and blutooth.

          If Evanescent whants to say Wifi=W-lan then hes wrong:
          W-Lan (don’t know a value, but experienced around 0,3 ms) is faster than bluetooth (3ms with low energy bluetooth and 100ms with normal bluetooth).

          But its ok, if the reaction time of the screen is fast. It uses a “cheap” TN-Panel, so it should be.

          What scares me more is the datarate. Wiki says 1 Mbit/s air data rate what would be fine. But theres also a number called “Application throughput” with only 0,26 Mbit/s. Not sure what this number is.

          0,26 Mbit/s would mean a normal 480p, 90min internet stream with 400mb needs 210 minutes.
          Happy buffering ^^.

          Please, someone tell me, that application throughput isn’t important πŸ˜›

  • nod786

    Great News, but I’m guessing all the information is slowly going to dry up until Nintendo’s event now. I hope they just let the flood gates fly wide open on that day, as from that day their wouldn’t really be a need to keep most of the things secret now.

  • Kamon

    Aw snap! :O

  • Shankovich

    Wow, the bandwidth must be massive to do that :O

    • AwayToHit

      Not really… its only a 480p local stream πŸ˜‰

  • corin

    this is great!!!! i hope they come out with the red color for release date

  • !!!!!

    Hell yeah GO WII U Station 720 FTW!!!!!

    • TheBoldman67

      Ummmm… I think what he meant to say is he’s getting all next-gen consoles, I don’t think he’s trying to troll.

      • deSSy2724

        Yeah, probably… there is no comma.

    • Grodus

      I hope theboldman is right… for your sake.

      • Macarony64

        i hope he is rich he would need all the money he can

  • Translator1

    I love good news. But if it’s too quick would they have to add a delay for the gamepad

  • LEGOkid

    Im wondering exactly HOW far would be too far? :l

    • PEmuscTU

      I’d say about… 20 feet (6 meters) ?

  • LordFenixNC

    well now that we know the VIDEO feed wont have any latency issues… what about Controls… i think its very odd they didn’t mention that. I am VERY happy that they at least talked about video feed latency…. I am just hoping i can talk my GF into going up to NY with me to get a possible hands on…

    • Macarony64

      tell her you are going to take her to broadway

  • Nintendonoob

    sometimes I wonder… I dont think my heart can handle how awesome the Wii U is

    • Romulus

      i seriously will have a heart attack when i buy mine. fo’ rizz-eal.

  • Nintyfan

    That pretty cool! Which brings us all another reason to buy a Wii U LOL.

    Wow my LED Samsung TV for like $400-$600 vs the Wii U for like maybe $299-$400. That’s amazing

    • Romulus

      NO! i like to say Wii U $199-$249 :3

      • TurtlePowa

        200$ isn’t happening , 250 would be great and 300 is the best price I can see it for.

      • Slacker

        this guy has some wishful thinking the Wii U will most likely cost 100$ more than the Wii did when it first came out and will be werth every pine with the teck it takes to do that

    • Bbelt

      My local game store already placed their order with the Nintendo rep. There are 3 SKU’s, each with a different price: 199, 249, and 299. I don’t know what makes the price different, but those are going to be the options.

      • Sethowar

        Wait, what? submit that as an official hint to wiiudaily, maybe they can corroborate it with some other sources and actually make a story!

        • Bbelt

          Done. I submitted this a week ago to Infendo and didn’t even get a return email. Maybe WiiUdaily will do something with it.

      • Macarony64

        maybe the 3 diffrent priceses are to confuse sony and microsoft the diffrent price tactic did not work well whit them

  • nintendoododo

    that is nothing special.

    • deSSy2724

      Why not? its not wired, its wireless….. wireless with less lag than wired TV (HDMI)?

      YEAH…. thats definitely awesome!

    • Grodus

      can this guy be banned or something!?

      • AwayToHit


      • Lamsaturn

        Come on now, just because he said one thing you don’t like doesn’t mean he deserves a ban. (Unless he has a negative track record or something.)

        • Joesatmoes

          guys in a way hes kinda right (im saying this as a person who wants the wii u- a LOT). ppl rnt afraid of the latency of streaming tje footage to the gamepad. they r worried that the tv will b slower to respond to the actions done on the controllr. though i highly doubt that if this is een true, it is not a very noticable speed difference, the thoufht scares me mor than if the gamepad screen is a bit slow

  • mike

    and this was just a test i cant wait to see the final result!

  • Gamer

    Simply put, this tells you the CPU and GPU of this baby and a few other tweaks are Epic.

    • D2K

      Not only are they ‘Epic’ but now people are starting to see why ‘Epic’ (along with many other 3rd party companies) are so positive about the system.

      It’s great to see how the facts about the Wii U have for the most part all been positive. Maybe that is why Nintendo has such an “easy-going-to-get-it” attitude about releasing information about this machine. If it is a monster, they don’t need to rush anything.

  • Hi8us

    Nintendo has a history of making the best out of what they have. I’m sure the Wii U will function as intended by launch.

  • Ljink

    Everybody seems to be beatin’ up on the big N lately. They are truly legendary so this news just makes me feel better. I hate all those sceptics that shoot down nintendo at every chance. They’re just trying to make games, they’re not Apple… anyway good news.

  • theorangefish

    Great would be to download all the gamecube games I already own for free. I think they won’t make that but there is still hope!

    • TheUNation

      There’s a possibility to have GameCube titles on the Virtual Console for the Wii U. Two of my favorite GC titles were Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader (I truly missed Factor 5…) and Super Smash Bros. Melee.

      • theorangefish

        I know the Gamecube VC thing. It would be great to download games I already have for free. Similar to the PS Vita and the psp but I don’t know if it’s free there. I haven’t tried it out yet.
        I have 2 super mario sunshines and both don’t work anymore :'(

        • Macarony64

          you must be europen cause only in europe sony is doing that

      • revolution5268

        if thats true sega better bring some dreamcast tittles in eshop VR.

  • SaPeRo

    They mentioned that the controller communicated with the console over Bluetooth. If that means you can connect the controller to a computer and use it as a second screen, that would be awesome. (Something like how you can connect you’re wiimote to a computer with Bluetooth and then use a program like GlovePie to decode the signals and translate them to a pc gamepad.) I hope that someone makes a program like that, just that it could send signals back to the gamepad so you could also use it like a screen, that would be EPIC and also another reason to buy a Wii U! πŸ˜€

  • GirlGamer

    Not a surprise at all! Nintendo is tgoing for gold this year

  • game pantys

    nintendo isnt dumb its a gaming company gaming controls = lag free COUGH COUGH move and kinect the lagiest controls in existence FACT !!!!!!

    no lag wii remotes and no lag gamepads and no lag single touch, touch screens love nintendo for there 100% “””CORE””” controls and total understanding of how a gaming device should work same applys wiius disc system it will wipe the floor with ps3s bluray at loading streaming speed thats commonsense nintendo hates NOW LOADING lol as do all real CORE gamers

    oh by the way gamepad has a range of 300 feet guys that is insane whole house range for gamepad sweet…..

    • Amtoj

      Three…Three… Hun…Dred! ITS OVER 300!!!

      • Grodus

        No, but its OVER 299!!!!!

      • Macarony64

        vegeta destroys radar

  • z447

    Sooooo awesome! Can’t wait for it. I was always wondering about lag. It would definitely ruin the experience…. but Big N is way ahead of that!!!

  • Alienfish

    This also depends on how much pre-processing a person’s TV does, but if they were using a standard LCD with a basically direct to the screen video feed then this is extremely good news. My TV, for example, has to be set on game mode in order to increase (or is it decrease? make it better anyway) the latency and my brother gets relatively poor latency even when he sets it to game mode. The gamepad looks to have the same or better as a streamlined LCD TV so it should actually do better than any new TV on the market using pre-processing.

    • EvanescentHero

      Latency basically means lag, so decrease is the word you’re looking for. Just so you know for the future. =)

  • super Mushroom

    I love The wii u i cant wait to play nintendo land and all of u guys Rock! Go NINTENDO!!!!!

  • Maverick-Hunter

    Nintendo gods strike again *bows* noe gimmie samus in 1080p

  • Death

    Nintendo’s gamepad updates faster than tv’s? Nintendo beats Sony yet again. πŸ˜€

  • ScientificFlood

    The gaming press has been seemingly taking every shot at Nintendo/Wii U that they possibly can these past couple weeks. These negative articles. All speculation mind you. Have just been ridiculous. Am I the only one that feels this way?

    It seems like gaming is no longer fun anymore. Back in the NES/SNES days Nintendo had the first party, and third. Then through the 64 to the Wii that support dropped. Wheather it be the storage capacity of the 64s cartridges,or the Gamecubes mini disks, or the Wiis feature set, or limited power. I think its obvious that Nintendo sees this, and wants to make it easier to develop for. We have developers backing that up. We have the proof that the games can be ported with Arkham, Darksiders, and Assassins Creed.

    I see another concern. “Once PS4 and NextBox come out the Wii U will die” I dont see Nintendo letting this happen again. Iwata has even commented on this subject. So he is aware of it, and as the CEO of Nintendo. I dont think he’d let it happen again, or he would be responsible for the consumer losing faith in Nintendo. Hes a good guy, and I think its obvious hes going to try hard to not let it happen.

    Lastly almost every developer whos commented on the console has praised it. Yet the gaming media likes to either skip the good news, or post good news from a developer in the vain that hardly no developer has said anything good about it. So its a surprise. Plus the negative comments on the Wii U either from Sumo or Harada were BOTH taken out of context, and they BOTH rectified that.

    I dont know im just sick of seeing all this negativity towards the Wii U. People saying its not Next Gen, yada yada. Yeah I “really” think Nintendo is going to make the business decision to release a console thats this gen, and lose all of its third party support. Thats bull! Nintendo is a business thats very image conscious. I dont think theyre going to risk losing all third party support all over again.

    What ever happened to playing Video games for fun? Now its just a power contest……Nintendo is still trying to make games fun, and thats a model I hope they keep.

    • EvanescentHero

      Yeah, I know what you mean…I really miss the generation before this one, when everything wasn’t about raw power and there were no console wars. When gaming was just about having fun with your friends. Hell, when gaming was still something the nerdy kids did, who did it because they enjoyed it, as opposed to now, when everyone does it to set records or to beat the crap out of each other, to prove themselves. The gaming community was better before this generation, and I’m sick of power being the only thing that matters in a console. Anyone who wants a powerful system should really be playing on PC anyway.

      And even in the last generation there was some hate towards Nintendo, but nowhere near the amount there is now. So Nintendo makes a comparatively weak console. So what? It’s fun and it’s innovative and that’s what matters. I hate the bad press the Wii U is getting simply because it’s “not powerful enough.”

      Gamers these days are so petty and whiny. They get exactly what they want and then whine about it not being good enough. Even Reggie said they can’t be satisfied, and he’s not wrong. I may be biased, but I really think Nintendo fans have the best outlook on gaming: that it should be fun,–not a place for divisive terms such as hardcore and casual, not an activity to prove one’s worth–and new–not the same drivel churned out every year with a shinier package.

      This is why I stick with Nintendo–they create genuinely fun and genuinely creative experiences. As long as they don’t change that, they’ll always have my full support.

      • ScientificFlood

        Exactly how I feel, and I totally agreed with Reggie.

        Even if the Wii U isnt an extreme powerhouse. I can see it getting full 3rd party support. I mean weve reached a plateau. The PS3 is even capable of 1080p yet it was barely utilized this generation. What makes anyone think were going to somehow pass that up? Talk of 4k resolutions are ridiculous. I dont know anyone who has the space for one of those TVs let alone the 30,000+ to buy one. Plus theres development costs. In this generation only a small portion of developers could afford to utilize the current gen hd systems fully. Spending more than a blockbuster movie to make the game and then only making a small portion of the money back. Leading a lot of developers to go out of business.

        I really hope the Wii U changes things, and I think it has the potential to do just that. Youve got the social networking of the miiverse. Online play with the Nintendo Network. Indie games on the EShop. Classics on the Virtual Console. HD graphics better than PS3. A new fun way to play with the gamepad. Third party support. Nintendos first party games. A traditional pro controller for people who want a traditional controller. Seriously what more could you ask for?

        Ive also recently became aware that the frame drop from 60 to 30 using a second gamepad is no big deal. On every console this gen. Adding a second player, or playing split screen usually halves the frame rate. So if this console can handle two game pads and all that happens is a drop to 30fps. I think that speaks for how strong the hardware is in the Wii U. A current gen gets frame rates halved by just split screens, and extra standard controllers. Yet the Wii U can handle TWO gamepads! Again the gaming media made it look like a bad thing. Leaving out what happens to this gen consoles. Just to take another shot at Nintendo. If anything they should be talking about how strong the Wii U is for being able to handle two gamepads that well.

        • EvanescentHero

          Yeah, but the fact that it can’t handle four will, I’m sure, provide major troll food. Even though the point of the controller is to offer multiple players different experiences. -_- And 30fps really isn’t bad. Multiplayer Mario Kart dropped to 30fps and it still looked fine. Conversely, Brawl constantly ran at a smooth 60fps…in an unmodified game of Brawl played locally, I never once experienced any lag whatsoever. And that’s a seriously beautiful game!

  • NavyBlueYoshi


    • Grodus

      Source please?

      • Macarony64

        ign, gamespot and machinima but it still not confirmation

      • SteampunkJedi

        There is a rumor going around. Originally from Kotaku, I think. Apparently an accessories maker employee accidentally leaked it. (And then the company flatly denied it.) It’s still a rumor, I believe.

  • Grodus

    One word: AWESOME!
    Latency rumors:

  • supo hakate

    all I saw was that the wii u will have game demos before the games come out. Hallelujah!!!!!

  • jay

    i wish nintendo would get little big planet for wii u [ for those who dont know the game just look it up

    • TheUNation

      Little Big Planet is a SONY published title. Who needs it when we have games like New Super Mario Bros. U and Rayman Legends?


    like if you think Nintendo will make a 3d Wii

  • Platinum_p100

    Yay for no lag, though I couldn’t care less about it mostly because most of my games I’ll just play on the tablet (in your face TV hogs :p)