When Batman: Arkham Knight was revealed earlier this month, no Wii U or last generation Xbox/PlayStation version was announced with it. The reason for this has surfaced in a recent interview with NowGamer, in which Rocksteady’s Dax Ginn says that the Batmobile is the primary reason why the PS3, Xbox 360, and the Wii U will not be getting the game. “It was the one thing we hadn’t done. Once we decided we were going to commit to the Batmobile, all these other technical decisions were made for us.” Ginn further explained that because the Batmobile is a “power fantasy” for people, it needed to be done right and on systems with the technology to handle such a beast of a machine. “It’s the power fantasy of driving this legendary vehicle; if it can only do a top speed of 25 mph that’s not the power fantasy and that’s why we couldn’t have done that previously.” When asked specifically if the Wii U was unable to provide the performance required for the Batmobile, Ginn stated that the team chose platforms that are going to give them the technology to deliver the experience they want. “We have to make our technology choices specifically with reference to the gameplay objectives that we want, so we choose the platforms that are going to give us that.” Technical reasons are why Rocksteady has chosen not to deliver a Wii U version of the game. What do you think of this reasoning? local_offer batman: Arkham Knight Nintendo Rocksteady warner bros. interactive wii u stars Further Reading Nintendo loses patent appeal, ordered to pay Nintendo was brainstorming about Switch when Kenshin0011 Wii U’s version would have to be downscaled and degraded. Literally. Gamer’s are already upset about multiplats that perform worse on Xbone than on PS4. It’d be even more glaring when porting a power game to Wii U. It’s just not gonna happen. Nintendo knows this, or at least the should, and needs to up their 1st party efforts and buy more 2nd party titles D.M.T Xbone gamers are upset because Microsoft has been in a graphics race with Sony but Nintendo couldn’t care less and Nintendo fans are ok with this so no…Nintendo fans wouldn’t mind if Arkham Knight looks worse than the Xbone version. Nintendo fans just want Gamepad features that don’t feel gimmicky. Do you understand what i’m saying? NyallJodhan Don’t say ‘look worse’, that just makes it sound bad. ;p Say ‘doesn’t look the same’. D.M.T Thanks, i’ll edit my comment Kevin James McAllister I’m not sure about this mythical Nintendo fan that only wants one thing. People fail to realize that different Nintendo fans might have differences of opinion. What Nintendo needs to start considering, though, is how to bring gamers who aren’t Nintendo fans over to their platform. That’s how they’ll catch up or even surpass Microsoft/Sony. D.M.T Stop worrying about what Nintendo should do and instead worry about what Sony should do to survive. Sony is almost bankrupt and yet you people think Nintendo has to catch up to Sony lol. Nintendo is making better business decisions obviously. kentray1985 Thats the main problem. People like you are ok with Nintendo going cheap on the wiiu hardware. I bet millions of others and devs have a huge problem with Nintendo going cheap on the hardware for the wiiu. Cheap hardware means less graphically intense games and it caused the wiiu fans to miss out on a great game this time around. They had plenty of time to make a killer console and look what they did. Now they are losing some serious cash with the wiiu. I have a wiiu and yes I like the gamepad but that dont stop me from being honest! FlashFan207 I completely understand and you are a clear voice of reason here. Thank you. This seems absolutely obvious to me. How is it not to others? Ultrasyd It makes me sad, But I have to agree. The Wii U performed like a PS3 or a Xbox 360 so far for 3rd party titles, sometimes a bit better, sometimes even a bit worse. For 1st aprty, I’ve never seen anything mindblowing on Wii U from Nintendo neither. The day when they release something great like a wonderful Zelda, or any other title as a real technical showcase, people will know what it is able / unable to do, and maybe it will bring back 3rd party developers. Because of what was shown so far from Nintendo and other devs, it’s always technically assimilated to the last gen. I think a downscaled version, with lower res, would be a possible option though. It’s what they made with Assassin’s Creed IV afterall and it’s better than nothing. The way they explain why it’s skipping last gen is funny 😀 Just an issue with the car going slowly haha. I understand that as very low framerate for fast action scenes. Zuxs13 You’re not going to see anything “mind blowing ” on the ps4 or Xbox1 either. Ultrasyd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORoTIEOyEg FlashFan207 Ha! True! kentray1985 All I know is whenever Nintendo decides to make a new console. They better had been thinking about the future and not the past! D.M.T You gotta hate (not love) 3rd party publishers! Always a lame excuse to skip the Wii U lol. The saddest part about this is that ignorant gamers on the internet will defend these 3rd party publishers. Believe me when I say that i will buy a PS4 soon but i won’t buy it to play 3rd party games, I’ll buy it to play 1st party games only. I’ll buy an Xbox One for 1st party games too. I refuse to support pieces of shit companies who treat Nintendo fans like inferior creatures RennanNT How about not buying 1st party either? They are skipping the other consoles too, you know? And for the same reason: more money. D.M.T Your comment doesn’t make any sense. It makes no sense to put Mario on PS4 or Uncharted on Xbox One. RennanNT Mario would sell a lot of units on PS4 and Uncharted on XB1. But in the end, Nintendo/Sony will make much more money NOT doing that. Its the same for 3rd party, putting the money and team, necessary to make a Wii U port, on other PS4/XB1 games will make more money, or so they believe. They are not skipping Wii U because of their opinion of us, if they believed they would make much more money on Wii U than PS4, even EA would be skipping PS4 instead. Mercurio2054 it’s not the same, they don’t do the same. RennanNT They are game developers and they choose the platforms for the game based in how they think it will make more money. The difference is that 1st party does more things besides games and has a huge incentive to not going for a second platform. If you disagree, at least elaborate. jay Doesn’t always work that way. There’s politics and sometimes upfront cash involved. D.M.T Nintendo is a console maker and games developer and publisher. Their job is to give everyone a reason to buy their consoles. Their 1st party games is reason enough to buy a Nintendo console. If you put Mario on PS4 then none will buy a Wii U. This is why 1st party games skipping other platforms is ok with me. Exclusivity makes a console special aka a must have. 3rd party publishers are game developers and publisher. Their job is to create a fanbase on every platform to sell their game. Their job is to give EVERYONE, including Nintendo fans, a reason to buy their games. If they can’t make money on Wii U is because they aren’t doing a great job with the Wii U version of their games. 3rd party publishers often give us Nintendo fans games with missing features, frame rate issues and no DLC. You won’t make money if the Wii U version is inferior to the other versions. RennanNT Your 1st paragraph is saying the same thing as mine did, thus I agree completely. 3rd party is simply a game developer which doesn’t have an affiliation to an console. They don’t have to support every gaming device and they don’t have to make Wii U sells more either. Ports aren’t made to drive people from the original console. They are made for those who won’t buy the original console (the other can obviously buy the other version). I won’t debate over missing features or if they are right or wrong in thinking they would not sell enough even with full features. My point is: They are investing where they THINK they should, and they tell bullshit to appease us like any big business, including Console makers. DragonSilths This might sound harsh, but I don’t want Mario on ANYTHING. Mario needs to fall into a bottomless hole and not be seen for 3-4 years. I’m sick of him. wiiu4life You shared that opinion because? DragonSilths Because I speak my mind whether people want to hear what I have to say or not. Mercurio2054 first party, are just that… first party… that theory !? Stephen Macneil You guys are all out of touch. There’s more money getting on as many at forms as possible. There’s over 160 million ps3 and Xbox 360 out there not getting this as well. It’s because these systems would not run the game well. You guys need to lose this ridiculous idea third parties are out to get nintendo. Money talks, and so does console horse power. RennanNT Its because in a couple years nobody will be buying games for PS3/XB360. If they start developing after PS4 having more games sales, they will be behind the competition. Developers might want to make the best game possible, but the ones who make the decisions needs to put money as a big priority. And they are not “evil” because of that, most will bankrupt if they just do whatever they want. Stephen Macneil By the time this game is released the vast majority of people will still be using last gen consoles. It was a very calculated decision to sacrifice that market to go full on next gen minus the wii u. When you play a game like InFamous Second Son it becomes apparent that game could not exist on last gen, and if it did, it would be so stripped down it wouldn’t be the same experience by a long shot. My advice to Nintendo owners is to get another console if you like these types of games. Nintendo is first party oriented and has been that way since N64. RennanNT Looking back, I think we had a mutual misunderstanding… I’m saying that InFamous skipped XB1/Wii U and Mario skipped PS4/XB1. And they did that to get more money (through console sales), just like 3rd party skips Wii U for believing the port money should be invested elsewhere. I’m also saying that 3rd party are making games that aren’t possible in last gen because last gen market will eventually die and they can’t still be learning about current gen at that point if they want to survive, even if they would make more money on that game if it was projected for last gen. Stephen Macneil Yeah, I get that. Bob Wilkerson See my comment about them not wanting to make the game engine optimized for non-x86. That is probably the real reason. Hell they could make this game work on the XB360 and PS3 if they wanted to. It is just not worth their time and that is their prerogative jay It’s an obvious cop out. Sorry you do not see that. Better believe if Nintendo threw some money at them they’d find a way to get it on Wii U. Don’t be surprised if you see this exact game ported later, or play a game with more processing demand next year. kentray1985 They are skipping the wiiu, xbox 360, ps3 because they want to make a huge batman game and its really not possible on those consoles! As of money dont all devs do it for the money. Nintendo rightnow arent even giving us star fox and fzero games because they dont think they will sell. Im just being honest! RennanNT If you look at the conversation, I was talking about 3rd party in general, not specifically on this. Not all the devs do for money, I believe most of them don’t, actually. But the ones deciding the platforms and other business strategy are the executives not the devs. And they HAVE to aim at money. Big games now-a-days cost simply too much to afford multiple sales flops. If they were aiming only at the best, for example, they could have just made it for top PCs years ago, but they didn’t because it would not sell enough. kentray1985 True but do you honestly think a dumbed down version of the arkham knight game for the wiiu was the way to go. I couldnt picture myself just gliding around the city on wiiu knowing everyone else on the ps4, x1, and pc is riding a batmobile around in a beautiful living gotham city! RennanNT Even the best game on PS4 will still be a dumbed version of what the developers really wanted. If this game were not going to make money, and it was not possible to make this game great on PS3, they would simply have to do a different game. The developers themselves can’t pay for a AAA game production and the investors won’t invest on a obvious flop. kentray1985 Exactly but you do understand that the ps4 and xbox one is pushing mid ranged pc graphics and the wiiu has a old gpu that just isnt capable of producing what they are trying to do with batman arkham knight. If the wiiu had a powerful gpu and and great online system with cross chat the wiiu would be on top rightnow but with the nintendo keep sticking to their old roots its hurting them and the fans. The wiiu has been a flop since 2012 and still is one even with games like 3d mario world. Nobody wants a kid system with graphics that goes up against the xbox 360 and the ps3. They are already in talks for a new console already. Even they know the wiiu is a flop and the mainstream dont like it! RennanNT I do agree that Wii U can’t reproduce the multi-plats to come in the same quality. I disagree about the “path to success” though. I don’t think Wii U would do much better if it was the same price/power as PS4. But I won’t elaborate my opinion on this matter, I’m too tired right now for long and subjective topics. Maybe in another occasion… kentray1985 Right on! Kevin James McAllister When almost every 3rd party isn’t fully supporting Nintendo platforms, the problem is probably with Nintendo more than the 3rd parties. Looking at it any other way is like the guy who keeps ruining relationships with women and then wonders why all women are terrible. Daniel Gonzalez “When almost every 3rd party isn’t fully supporting Nintendo platforms, the problem is probably with Nintendo more than the 3rd parties.” Very true. Nintendo is apparently doing something wrong for developers to keep looking away. For anyone to say that it’s because third parties have it out for Nintendo is rather a bold statement, and has no actual proof to back that up. It’s the usual grasping for straws story with fans. “Looking at it any other way is like the guy who keeps ruining relationships with women and then wonders why all women are terrible.” Haha. Too true. thedeciderU yeah, something’s going on on nintendo’s end, but i also think that devs put too much emphasis on specs sometimes. should we expect pretty graphics? hell yes, but i’d rather play a game with an imaginative world with a damn fine gameplay experience than watch a pretty light show with a far inferior gameplay experience. i have no games in mind, but this is how i think about games in general. Kevin James McAllister Sometimes new gameplay experiences demand more horsepower. If that’s the case with Arkham Knight, that this new way of playing simply needs more than the Wii U can handle, then it’s not just about graphics. People think power only means graphics, but more power means you can do more as far as the gameplay as well. DragonSilths The only thing Nintendo is doing “wrong” in 3rd parties eyes is not forking over money to get a mediocre version of the game on the Wii U. Though in this game’s case, Rocksteady is a great dev, they could optimize a Wii U version of the game. Its just Warner Bros being butt hurt from Origins on Wii U. Andrew Hoback it’s as simple as, to make a wiiu version they need to make a separate team to work on the game from scratch for the system and it costs them to much money which they don’t gain back since people don’t buy the wiiu version since they allows announce they left out a feature and people own more than one console so they just buy the other version Quicksilver88 Just saying it is Nintendo’s fault is a gross simplification of a somewhat sticky problem. First and foremost, yes Nintendo seems to have a problem working and communicating with Western 3rd parties. Than have done plenty over the years with Capcom, Konami, Squeenex, Altus, Sega, and Bandia/Namco. They will continue to work with Japanese 3rd parties. Second is they have been lacking/lagging in features that have now become very important to many gamers. Trophies, unified accounts, strong online infrastructure were all established in the last gen by Sony/Microsoft while Wii was way behind. The Wii itself and its crazy success with casuals pretty much removed Nintendo as a competitor with core gamers. Then the 3rd parties, dumping shit after shit on Wii, usually gimping, skimping, or skipping Nintendo platforms. Add to that the fact that Nintendo games don’t launch half broken, are held off until they are finished, have polish and don’t just aim to be this years next pretty online FPS. Lastly it is Nintendo gamers….who generally don’t support 3rd parties, who are tired of getting pissed on and treated like second class citizens. Most of us dedicate gamers own multiple systems. Why would I buy batman or ACx or CODx on a Nintendo system when it will be skimped/gimped and I can get it for ps/xb/pc with all its features. So the problem is actually Nintendo, 3rd parties, and gamers. What amazes me is people still act like it is a big deal when this has been the way it has been since N64. It isn’t changing, ever. Nintendo knows this and this is why they have tried to differentiate themselves with unique features instead of waging a grafx arms race like Sony/MS. I more prefer the WiiU get exclusive 3rd party like Lego City, Zombie U, Sega deal, Platinum games and even older ports that devs have a vision to do something cool with (like DeusEX and Batman AC) than just get gimped version of multiplats that I can play on every other system. If the WiiU sold for $500 like XB1 then it could have similar power and still be bundled with gamepad….wouldn’t matter as core gamers would still flock to ps4/xb1 and 3rd parties would still shaft Nintendo. WiiU would sell less and have a much lower chance of being a viable platform for Nintendo’s games. The WiiU is a transition box for Nintendo giving them experience with HD and improving the online and social aspects of their ecosystem. Even if it does poorly it will provide crucial experience for Nintendo and its internal teams. When we get MK8, Mario3D, Metoid, Zelda, SSB et al on WiiU those of us that care for Nintendo games will be thrilled to be playing them in HD. The only way Nintendo will ever rule the console world again is if they somehow pull of something like Fusion that is a hybrid portable/console that they can convert their huge mobile gamer base into home/portable gamers and eliminate the need for portable gamers to purchase a home console. That’s the future for Nintendo, but even if it happens I doubt it will cure their 3rd party ills as looks at 3DS which now has over 40mil units and still very few 3rd parties outside of Japan will touch it. Nintendo has not survived over 30 years being dumb asses. They will correct their errors they made this generation and once WiiU first part starts flowing it will keep flowing for several good years. Kevin James McAllister Paragraphs. Seriously. D.M.T I wouldn’t be too sure about that. This doesn’t show that the problem is with Nintendo, this shows that the problem is with 3rd parties. A lot of times nice guys are lonely, women don’t wanna be with them. Is it because the nice guys have issues or because the women have issues? Women are known for dating the wrong man more often than not. Entropyguy The thing about “nice guys” as opposed to guys who are genuinely nice is that they think being nice entitles them to sex (protip: it does not). Whereas guys who are genuinely nice do so because that’s who they are. Further, people can tell the difference. Zorpix you’re confusing “Nice people” for “OMG I’M SO FREND ZONED” people Entropyguy I would contend that there is no difference between “nice guys” and people who believe in the friendzone. 🙂 There is a difference between “nice guys” and guys who are actually nice, however. Zorpix that’s what I meant by “nice people” XD I think we’re on the same page, just getting mixed up in the wording XD GABRIEL GARCIA How far have u got ?? AM Real You sound delusional…you should go lay down and get some rest. D.M.T Oh really? Says the guy who hasn’t said one intelligent thing. Kevin James McAllister What do nice guys have to do with what I said? I said nothing about the quality of his demeanor. And as far as “women are known for dating the wrong man more often than not”, that is as ignorant as it is sexist. Of course women date the wrong guy more often than not; we all do. This is why most of us don’t marry the first person we date, or even the second, or third, and so on. For you to see this as the woman’s fault simply implies a perceived lack of success or confidence in that area in your life. For that, stop feeling sorry for yourself and stop blaming women. Find out who you want to be, stop making excuses, and be it. D.M.T You’re an idiot. I used nice guys as an example to prove my point just like how you used guys who ruin relationships with women to prove your point. There’s nothing ignorant or sexist about what i said. Women are known for dating men they thought was the one just to find out later on that giving him a chance was a big/huge mistake. And a lot of them don’t learn from their mistake as they end up marrying the fifth, sixth, seventh and so on person they dated and then ask for divorce few years later. And I suggest you stop acting like you know me because you don’t know one thing about me. You don’t know if i have a lack of success or lack of confidence in this area. All I’m doing is giving my honest opinion. Women themselves have admitted that they don’t know what type of men they want or what man is best for them which is why they keep making mistakes. Kevin James McAllister Seriously man, you’re coming off as really sexist here. Are you really saying that most failed relationships are the woman’s fault for getting with the wrong guy? What about the guy in that same relationship who’s with the wrong woman? How is that different? And your “nice guy” comparison is confusing. That you’d use such a similar metaphor to mine without using the same one… bizarre. And really. How many people do you know who have married 5, 6 or 7 times? Your arguments are pretty ridiculous. Shane Michaels Hooray for figurative statements relating to relationships, romance, and love! iamserious You must not live in America. Lol. Divorce is rising like crazy. Kevin James McAllister Seriously man, you’re coming off as really sexist here. Are you really saying that most failed relationships are the woman’s fault for getting with the wrong guy? What about the guy in that same relationship who’s with the wrong woman? How is that different? And your “nice guy” comparison is confusing. That you’d use such a similar metaphor to mine without using the same one… bizarre. And let’s keep the arguments focused on the issues at hand. This name-calling business is uncalled for. D.M.T You don’t want me to call you names but you’re calling me sexist. Way to contradict yourself. You clearly don’t understand what I’m trying to say and you’re quick to judge. I never said that most failed relationships are the woman’s fault for getting with the wrong man. A guy can also be with the wrong woman. I just used the ‘women getting with the wrong man’ as an example to prove a point. Women themselves have admitted many times that they often end up dating or marrying the wrong man. This is not something I made up, it’s something that women have admitted many times. They ignore nice guys because they think nice guys are “boring” and/or “predictable”. Again, this is something that I’ve heard come from a woman’s mouth, this is not made up. Women often don’t date or marry the type of guy they need, they date or marry the type of guy they WANT which is why things go wrong a lot of times because what you want is not always what you need to be successful/happy. Men also make this mistake a lot. When I say nice guy i mean guys who are genuinely nice, not those who pretend to be nice. I could go deeper but it’s silly to talk about this on a VIDEO GAME WEBSITE. I hope you understand now what I’m trying to say. It’s hard for me to explain some things in a way that people can easily understand me. Kevin James McAllister I never called you sexist. I said that what you said sounds sexist. That’s a big difference and one you should have been able to notice on your own. And your whole “nice guy” problem makes you sound like you were in high school. I was the same way back in high school. I felt sorry for myself because I couldn’t get a girlfriend, even though I was the “nice guy” who was always there for his female friends. It’s not until you’re older that you realize that women want more than just a sensitive guy, they also want a guy who is strong emotionally, confident, caring, loving, and loyal. Being a ‘nice guy’ should not be seen as enough to warrant any woman you like. Anyway, have a great day. Take care. God bless. John Andalora Actually, it’s more like the man has a lot of women making passes at them (Assassin’s Creed 4, Rayman Legends, COD Ghosts, SkyLanders SWAP Force, ZombiU, Lego City Undercover, Darksiders 2) but the man’s like “NAH! I’ll wait for something better!” and then a year later no one’s asking him out and he’s all like “WHY WON’T WOMEN DATE ME????” D.M.T I disagree because some of the games you mentioned sold well on the Wii U. Mercurio2054 i desagree too… those women doesn’t give all what they know (DLC, poor ports, etc). so, why you have to be with them? John Andalora Correction: Sold well FOR the Wii U. None of those games on Wii U sold “Well” by any stretch of the imagination. The sales were crap, with people not making their money back. The issue is that many people say that they sold “well” for the console, which doesn’t matter in the slightest. Whether or not you sell one thing to a demographic of a million or one thing to a demographic of two, you still only sold one product. That’s all. It’s not better just because your percentage for people who might have bought it is better. The highest selling game on my list was Lego City Undercover at 720,000 sold, and even that is considered a failure. The others are as such: ZombiU: 650,000 Rayman Legends: 300,000 Skylanders SWAP Force: 250,000 Assassin’s Creed IV: 160,000 COD Ghosts: 140,000 Darksiders II: 110,000 Also, all the 3rd party games I mentioned had other consoles selling better. Rayman Legends is most popular on PS3, and most other consoles sold better with Skylanders, AC4, COD, and D2. D.M.T Correction: sold well ON the Wii U. Just because the games sold less than a million doesn’t mean they are failures. ZombiU was a low budget game which means that Ubisoft DID make their money back. The reason why they aren’t happy with ZombiU sales is because it sold below THEIR expectations but it sold well for a console with an install base of 3 million at the time. Lego City Undercover sold well which explains why the company continues to release Lego games on the Wii U. Rayman Legends is probably most popular on PS3 but that’s because the install base is a lot bigger. Ubisoft cannot honestly expect the Wii U version to sell better. But yet the Wii U version of Rayman is more popular than the 360, Xbox One, PS4 and Vita versions. COD Ghosts is a shitty game. The only ones who don’t know that COD is crap are Xbox fans and Sony fans. I would be surprised if a shitty game like COD sold more than 500,000 on a Nintendo console. John Andalora No. For. http://www.cinemablend.com/games/ZombiU-2-Scrapped-By-Ubisoft-First-Game-Didn-t-Make-Profit-57360.html ZombiU didn’t make a profit. It was not profitable. Ubisoft said so. Note that Undercover was the only Wii U exclusive LEGO game, and will probably remain that way. The others are Multiplatform. XBO and PS4 versions of Rayman came out later. Similar to why people don’t believe Arkham City sold well on Wii U (because it came out later than the first release). As for the other versions, considering that the game was originally tailor-made for Wii U, this came as a shock to me, And wow. Just calling COD shitty off the bat. Listen, you wanna have more people make games for the console, you need to make sure all demographics are satisfied. Even the games you don’t like serve some purpose. But just turning your nose up at them only further damages the consoles potential. D.M.T Ubisoft said so so it must be true right? Uhmm no. 3rd party publishers lie a lot to make themselves look good. They can’t afford damaging their reputation by being honest about it. ZombiU was a LOW BUDGET GAME and yet it sold 650,000 copies (not including digital sales). Ubisoft made enough money from ZombiU. They can deny it all they want but I want believe their lies. Yes the other Lego games are mulitplatform but they are still on Wii U so it doesn’t matter. Tailor-made for Wii U or not PS3 has a much much bigger install base which means that the PS3 version is supposed to sell more copies. Most Nintendo fans know that COD is mediocre which is why most don’t buy it. I was planning on buying Ghost at one point but then I made the decision to buy Deus Ex on Wii U instead. John Andalora I hate to say it, but I think you fell at the first hurdle. Saying that you can’t trust the company who made the game to tell you whether or not they actually made money on a game is lunacy, and to say it without proof other than “I won’t believe their lies” is even worse. Do you know their exact budget? Do you know the money they spent on the game altogether? How much money did they make back? How do you know it was a low budget game? What was their budget? If you won’t believe their lies, then I would like to see the truth you have to back it up. Otherwise, I won’t believe your lies. wiiu4life Just like we could trust them not to hold a finished game back. Zombi U was released when there was a low amount of systems in the wild and now there are games newer and look way better. The game had no advertising no commercials in America so trust me it made what it did for a reason. John Andalora Three things:1) Didn’t realize that advertising was part of the budget for making the damn game. 2) A big budget doesn’t mean a great or well polished game. 3) Unless you can find the budget of this game and prove that ZombiU made a profit due to its low budget, I don’t care to discuss this any further. Peter Pen First of all, (in relation to D.M.T’s comment) all companies lie initially about the any monies coming in, because of tax implications due to profit and loss (the explanation as to why would be too long for this discussion particular discussion). Secondly at the Ubisoft AGM, they disclosed that the budget for Wii U games was $1.5m for new games (ZombieU) and $1.3m for ports. Considering ZombieU was sold for $40 plus dollars (£45 in the Uk = $70 plus dollars) and selling 650,000 units. Even if brought Ubisofts margins down to $10 dollars a unit, they still would have earned $6.5m from physical sales (not including digital copies. The reason why the game was not a success is because it didn’t sell 2 million plus units which Ubisoft predicted, but Ubisoft didn’t spend millions advertising it either so again they did make a profit, they just didn’t make the money they hoped for. Rayman Legends is another example. They killed the buzz surrounding it being a wiiU exclusive by delaying it and making it multiplat and ended up selling even less units. Even the team making it believed it would have sold better being an exclusive to wiiU because they (Ubisoft) have never sold a million units of Rayman of any platform other than a Nintendo one. John Andalora Thank you. I never understand why it’s so hard for DMT to get this kind of thing. However, I do have a question. Ubisoft said that it takes about 1 million to port a game over, but this wasn’t an average port. This was a game already slated for PS3 and Xbox 360, but then brought to the Wii U. Already this would at least double the price of the game easily. Furthermore, I remember seeing TV and internet ads for this game that must have added a bit. Furthermore still, doesn’t Ubisoft publish their own games, meaning that they would’ve had to pay for all the manufacturing of discs, shipping, and such? I suppose the question is: Doesn’t it seem likely that they could’ve easily burned through $6.5 million with everything that they did? Peter Pen ZombieU was an original game built for the wiiU. It started life as an alien game called Killer freaks from outer space (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_WhtbZfitk) before its transformation in to a zombie game. it took around 18 months to develop, which is about right for a low budget game, with a small dev team. Which also explains why it didn’t have any triple A features like multiplayer etc.. while launch games like COD BO2 and AC3 did. it was a tester for a new franchise but they didn’t have the time to really explore its potential nor to polish it enough to make it graphically stand out. Although it made $6.5m+, an outlay of $1.5m development and at best $1m advertising (I’m being very generous here), that still leaves $4m. $4m dollars compare to the original 3 rayman games on the wii (1.9m units x $10 = $19m, 1.8m x $10 = $18m & 1.3 x $10 = $13m) and you can see why the consider it a failure. Even if a game makes money, it all depends on the size of the organisation for that monies to be deemed relevant. If it was developed by an indie team on the same budget, then it would have been deemed a success. Its not so much about whether Ubisoft is out right lying, but more about how they manage the perception on what’s deemed success or failure for their brand. D.M.T You don’t understand why its hard for me to get those things? LOL I agree with everything Peter Pen said, it’s you who doesn’t understand anything.In this day and age, $5 million or less to make a game is not a lot and is considered a low budget game. For an indie dev, that’s a lot but for a big 3rd party publisher like Ubisoft it’s not much. ZombiU did make a profit (i already said this) but it sold below Ubisoft’s high expectations which is why they don’t want to make a sequel now. Jooey The fact that you defend Nintendo so strongly, shows how much of a fanboy you are. Dude I’m not trying to be mean, but take off your blindfold, the wii U isn’t as powerful as once thought and quite possible just can’t handle this game. Stop trying to bring conspiracies into this. Unless your apart of one of these company’s you don’t know. And neither do I, so let’s just leave it at “well, this sucks, but HEY! The new smash bros is ONLY coming on wii U,(and other Nintendo products) that’s a plus!:D” You gotta look on the bright sides bro, that’s only way to live joyfully:) D.M.T Lol if you think that i’m a fanboy then so be it. I have never cared about your opinion and never will. No one knows me better than myself and i know i’m not a fanboy. Arthur Jarret Hey, do you know why all women are terrible? Kevin James McAllister I don’t think they are. I have some wonderful women in my life. Arthur Jarret http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/star-trek-joke-gif.gif Kevin James McAllister Your joke was a poor one that seemed to imply that I wonder why all women are horrible because I ruin their relationships, as per my metaphor. My response was simply telling you that your joke was not apt. Arthur Jarret You’re still missing the joke, except you’re trying to come across as smart about misunderstanding it. Although it simply doesn’t do to explain jokes as they lose wit and therefore humor in the process, allow me to explain: In your post I replied to, you made an apt metaphore for people blaming 3rd party devs for abandoning the Wii U. The metaphore used described an oblivious, somewhat unrealistic person. Enjoying the mental image of said metaphore, I took it upon myself to pretend to be such an obviously unrealistally oblivious person and generally enquired why women are so terrible. In no way did I mean to imply that they are terrible. So, you missed the joke and ruined my simple one-sentence of fun in the progress. Kevin James McAllister I missed the joke, but I think you think I missed it in a different way. I know you weren’t implying they were actually terrible. I thought you were implying that I thought they were terrible, thereby implying I was the person in my own example. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Have a great day. Arthur Jarret So I missed the actual reason why you missed the joke that missed the point of… erm, I’m confused now. Ah well, glad that is sorted… I think? Great day to you too! Shane Michaels .. Shane Michaels You know what, no more GIFS. I’ll just be insightful. Or I’ll just troll. AM Real What the? HOW DARE YOU MAKE USE OF COMMON SENSE ON AN INTERNET FORUM!!! Lol ETMew2348 What the? HOW DARE YOU MAKE USE OF COMMON SENSE ON AN INTERNET FORUM!!! can i use that or is it copyrighted? cement Seriously! If nintendo is so terrible then why are so many indies jumping on board? Looking at your perspective its like a guy who is genuienly kind but he is poor or unappealing. Because of his poverty not many women notice him. but women who care not look at his kindness and give him their soul and their love. Nintendo is that guy. Nintendo is poor, on 3rd parties. The wii u is unnapealing. Because of this the whores who love money or 3rd partys dont give nintendo a chance. But indies who see nintendos true heart love and help it for what it stands for. SOOO in a very polite manner. Please resort to turning off your computer. Going into the shower. turn on the water. set it at a warm temperature and procede to have coitis with yourself. Kevin James McAllister I’m sorry that admitting Nintendo may not be perfect is somehow so painful for you. You took this really personally for some reason. And why should 3rd parties not care about money? If they don’t make money, they lose their jobs. Their livelihood is more important than us getting their games on Wii U. Plain and simple. Nintendo has opened the doors to Independent developers for sure. And that’s awesome. But they have been notoriously cold and unhelpful to large 3rd party developers. That, in addition to the challenges of developing for a console somewhere between this new generation of consoles and the previous generation, and in addition to a low install base and mediocre attachment rates, is why companies aren’t coming to Nintendo right now. Do you really think this is a bunch of companies bullying Nintendo for no real reason? Nintendo is a great company, but a flawed one. Instead of pretending Nintendo is perfect, Nintendo should see its flaws and improve them. Then Nintendo can be as great as we all know it can be. Quicksilver88 Not disagreeing about Nintendo having flaws, but umm lets not forget that Sony and Microsoft also have flaws. Sony is on the verge of bankruptcy despite the PS brands success. They have been nearly dominate since they first launched PSX but can’t really get traction in handhelds and all their other divisions have suffered…..BlueRay, 3D TVs, Phones, Computers, Media players…they just can’t make a hit in consumer electronics anymore and the quality they used to be legendary for no one seems to be willing to pay for now. Microsoft….bloated, Windows8 sucks, can’t sell shit in Japan, has execs saying they want out of gaming and may eventually try to spin off or sell Xbox, and has done very little to develop their own franchises outside of Halo, Gears, and Forza. I won’t even start on the large 3rd parties like EA, Activision, and UBI who in many ways are in very precarious positions right now. Kevin James McAllister I’m not saying Sony and Microsoft are flawless by any means. This is a discussion about Nintendo, so I only mention Nintendo. And, as a conversation bout games goes, we shouldn’t be caught up in the success or failure of Sony’s and Microsoft’s non-gaming departments. Let’s keep the focus on games. FlashFan207 I dunno if Nintendo could be blamed for this so much. Lazy Rocksteady is skipping the current-gen systems, which of course MILLIONS more people already have than those whom ripped themselves off buying a PS4 or Xbone at launch. Ugh, Rocksteady… This is killin’ me… DragonSilths 2 things, 1st of all they aren’t skipping “current Gen” cause Wii U, PS4 and XO are CURRENT GEN. There is no Next Gen anymore. 2nd Its Warner Bros who decides what system they fund the game to get made on…Rocksteady could be like I guess we could do a Wii U version but Warner Bros has to give the okay. FlashFan207 Just semantics in my mind. I was really referring to the millions upon millions of 360’s and PS3’s already out in the wild they’ll be missing out on. I doubt I’m the only fan of the Arkham series who hasn’t upgraded yet. I probably won’t be able to afford to do so for at least a year, and even then I do not foresee that I will even feel the need to. But if these publishers never stop making games for the 360 and PS3, many of us will never upgrade, so from a dirty, greedy business standpoint, I guess I understand their filthy logic. Mercurio2054 and millions and millions of broken Xbox360s and some othe old ps3 Kevin James McAllister Why do you think this is greedy? It’s greedy for gamers to expect companies to make games for systems it won’t profit on. We’re basically saying that it’s okay if you end up having to fire people because you lost money as long as I can play any game I want on a specific platform. It’s ridiculous and selfish of gamers to expect companies not to be concerned with money and the welfare of their companies. FlashFan207 Haha! Exactly! They’re not going to make as much money making a game for release solely on the PS4 and Xbone, when they could be profiting from the far greater number of PS3 and 360 owners who are already out there. Why is this difficult to understand? As if they couldn’t make if for the systems that everyone already has. Sure, make it for the new super-expensive systems if you want to, but what about the systems that are already out there? That is a sure way to miss out on profit. jay 1,000 than you’s for the Current/Next Gen explanation!!! When will idiots finally get this sh** right!!!?!?!?!??! John Andalora You’re going to blame Rocksteady for making the executive decision not to make more games for the past console? Honey, if they decided to make ports for the past consoles the game would’ve been slated for mid 2015 at the earliest. Quicksilver88 I keep saying this but the ps360 arena is so lucrative, the tools and engines to port games are so prevalent and the new bases are so small that many of these ‘next gen’ multiplats will come to ps360. Everyone wants users to buy the new systems and that is natural so they will say oh this titles is next gen only, then 90 days after launch they will say well because of demand we have tabbed this team to ‘down port’ game XZY to ps360. The game will be the same but instead of 1080p 60fps it will run 720p 30fps like what we have been getting for 7 years. All the Batman games have used unreal 3 and new batman will use unreal4. It is going to be stupid easy to port a game down as the engines are compatible. FlashFan207 Absolutely correct! Well said. I wish i would have just said it that way. Stephen Macneil Nintendo never considered third party when developing the Wii U. Nintendo needs to get this figured out if they want to seriously compete. I wouldn’t waste your time arguing with someone like D.M.T. Though, who is boycotting all third party games for every console, lol. Logic and reason mean nothing here. Kevin James McAllister Good call. I have a difficult time ending arguments when people won’t listen. I think there’s a part of me that hopes eventually someone will listen to a logical argument. Stephen Macneil Usually that takes a real life epiphany long before it reaches Internet message boards. I admire anyone who tried though 🙂 Daniel Gonzalez Logic is rare here. People like DMT are difficult and refuse to accept logic. Probably a good idea to argue with those who are within your maturity level. D.M.T It’s funny how you are often talking about me with other people. Keep my name out of your mouth and thoughts. It’s also funny how you think I “refuse” to accept logic as if everything you say is the truth. Your “DMT is always wrong” mentality is why I can’t take people like you seriously. You want me to admit when you’re right but you won’t admit when I’m right lol. I’m glad you told Kevin to argue with those within his maturity level because only a few people here are mature enough to understand that 3rd party publishers are full of shit. Kevin James McAllister Your playing the maturity card? You called me an idiot after I spoke politely to you. And now you’re swearing. Please just stop talking, because clearly we aren’t getting anywhere. Daniel Gonzalez I read the whole thing. Saying “you come off as being sexist” isn’t insulting at all. Not even I would get offended by that. There was no direct name calling there. I’d just let him be from here, some people you just can’t reason with. Lol. Daniel Gonzalez “It’s funny how you are often talking about me with other people.” Well that one was pretty comical considering I barely even mention ya on a daily basis, but I’ll leave you in that delusional reality. “Your “DMT is always wrong” mentality is why I can’t take people like you seriously. You want me to admit when you’re right but you won’t admit when I’m right lol.” Again, that’s even more funny. I don’t believe I’ve ever called you wrong all the time, but you are for sure, melowdramatic. You can deny if it you like, but there are people who do notice your over the top comments. Most would prefer to remain silent. I don’t want you to admit anything, you can believe what you wish, but it won’t stop me or anyone else from detecting your anger meter. “I’m glad you told Kevin to argue with those within his maturity level because only a few people here are mature enough to understand that 3rd party publishers are full of shit.” Yes, every third party publisher is full of shit, but then again, so is Nintendo’s excuses for their part of the problem with the Wii U. Despite their excuses that you hate, it’s obvious they won’t bring these games to the Wii U due to low sales on Nintendo consoles. I suppose that all third parties should just do what you like and bring games to the Wii U despite their beliefs. Anyone can see that you’re too high on the Nintendo train. Cut down a little and maybe you’ll have a clearer head. The world is bigger world out there than just Nintendo. Yes, I am glad too that I told Kevin to talk to people who are on his same level, cause it shows you’re clearly not when you go off on a rampage. Lol. With that said, I’m going to head over and talk to people with a little more common sense, and preferably those who aren’t over the boiling point. Have a nice day, and remember, smile. Bye bye now. ;P D.M.T LOL. Uhuh keep telling yourself that. jay Just to correct here, Nintendo’s problem was considering EA(A third party by the way) too much. They put too much trust in that backstabbing company. That time/$ could have been spent on Capcom and Konami who actually like Nintendo. Mackenzie Jean Charles well saying. it’s clearly that most of developer don’t like Nintendo. they simply can go in hell . Nintendo always give good system with awesome technology. Nintendo just don’t like talking about internal faqs of his system. jjbredesen ………………………………………………… i can’t even be bothered just ready my comment below… Arthur Jarret NO… scrolling — too… much- eff….fort jjbredesen http://wiiudaily.com/2014/03/wii-u-arkham-knight/#comment-1306492294 😉 Igor Not inferior, just plain stupid. bizzy gie But the game is skipping PS360 too. It has NOTHING to do with money or Nintendo hate. Wii U just isn’t powerful enough. You have to understand that. Mario Are you sure is not just the different architecture that the WiiU has compared to PS4’s and Xbox One’s? Because as far I’m concerned, his power is still pretty much a mystery for everyone. Ben English It’s not a mystery to anyone at this point. Everything except the processor is slightly better than Xbox360, but still a good deal short of PS4 and XBO. Mario Maybe to you. But to me, I think there’s more to the WiiU’s power that meets the eye. Bob Wilkerson There is… I accept that it has less power than the XB1 and PS4 but the huge difference is not nearly as big as it is made out to be. Especially between the Wii U and XB1. The architecture is far more efficient than x86 and does not need the fluff of 8 cores that seem to “Wow” some of the more naive gamers on here. DragonSilths Very true. I find it humorous the amount of trouble the XO has in getting a game up to 1080p and 60fps. It will get there eventually. But its a nightmare for devs to work with. Ben English This isn’t an opinion thing! We know for a fact that Wii U has 2GB of RAM compared to XBO and PS4’s 8GB. We know for a fact that the numbers 1.6 and 1.7 billion are higher than 1.2 billion, even if the gap is relatively small. We know for a fact that three cores in a processor is less than 8 cores in a processor. These things are not debatable. The degree to which they matter or how much the architecture mitigates them are debatable, but the fact there is a vast gulf in raw power doesn’t change. iamserious There are too many quad core cpus that invalidate your facts. More cores doesn’t necessarily mean more power. Yes 8 is more 3 but that doesn’t matter very much when games are only using 2-4 cores. What are those 1.6 1.7 and 1.2 billion numbers referencing? Transistors? Ben English The clock speed of the processors. The Wii U’s processor runs at 1.2 Ghz, and the PS4 and XBO are thought to run in the range of the two higher numbers at least, last I heard. Mario Look man, we can keep debating on and on about this, but nobody is gonna win this argument. Ok? HungryMetroid *claps* Shane Michaels Well done Mario. Truly the most insightful of all the jumping individuals! Mario Mario: Thank you! 🙂 DragonSilths PS4 doesn’t use its 8GB for games. It can use up to 4GB I believe. XO Uses 2 GB. Though no game hell even a PC game uses more then 4GB. Ben English Wii U doesn’t use both of it’s GB for games. Half of it is dedicated to games and half is for the operating system. You’re not really making a relevant point here. DragonSilths I never said Wii U uses both of its GB? I know it has 1 GB for games. My point was people make it seem that since the PS4 has 8GB in total that they think PS4 games will use all 8GB which is laughable. matt Who cares about Ram as long as you have 1GB you can make any game with Havok compression x10 technology which is in every wiiu devkit so who cares about Ram ?? chip Ram is better on wiiu and there is no way around that Ram and wiiu will improve over time because of it’s custom design. Daniel Gonzalez http://31.media.tumblr.com/f2f84305fced9aaea79d4ae709205348/tumblr_mexmldZMjF1qcy3qio1_500.jpg DragonSilths Yup. Do people forget E3 2010? That Japanese Garden Demo? That Zelda HD demo? Reggie said that, that Zelda demo couldn’t run on a last gen system, he said that was only using 10% of the systems power AND THAT WAS A SYSTEM THAT WAS STILL 2 YEARS AWAY FROM ITS FINAL VERSION. Zelda HD at E3 will empress. Now of course PS4 is the most raw power, PS4 is the steroid guy, Xbox One is the guy who tries steroids but has an allergic reaction, and Wii U is the regular guy with a six pack without steroids. Quicksilver88 So many people that spout specs really understand ZERO about system architectures and what that means. The WiiU has a very efficient architecture. Everyone in CPU engineering has always said the PPC is a better more powerful design than x86, but even among x86 Intel has always way out performed AMD in raw processing power per speed/core. Also it worries me that the HD twins are both x86, watered down PCs. There is nothing exotic or surprising at all in their design. So at launch they are already outdated PCs and in 5 years they will be? Even more outdated PCs. MS/Sony went the cheap and easy route this time. They wanted to put together their next gen machines fast and they wanted them to be super easy for devs to get to grips with and push multiplats on. The PS2/PS3 both had very exotic architectures that were hard to get up to speed on, but the benefit was long life cycles and games that at their EOL looked incredible compared to early life. Don’t expect the growth out of this new gen like we have seen in the past because the architecture brings nothing unique or special to the table. I am not saying WiiU is more powerful, but I think you may see more growth on it because as devs get to grips with its ‘exotic’ architecture they may be able to squeeze more out of it over time…..plus no one ever has done more with less hardware wise than Nintendo themselves. Look at the beautiful creations Nintendo made on GC/Wii in SD….and tell me they won’t have fantastic looking games in HD….as Mario3D, ZeldaWW, Pikman and DKTR are already showing and that will be nothing compared to what a future Zelda or Metroid will look like. matthew garcia The thing is most of the games wii u tries to show off graphically are cartoons graphics and are sidescrollers. It’s all art direction. Wii u really needs a game with a sense of realism to really show what it can do and prove it to the gaming community which they have not done. It’s easy to make a sidescroller look pretty. They need a game with big environments and detail out the ass to prove it can hang graphically with the big boys jay (X) matthew garcia Will never know how good it really looks til the game is released whenever that may be. For now nintendo has no proof. I highly doubt a game like infamous 2nd son is playable on wii u unless it a modified low tech version Mario Exactly! Bob Wilkerson Nope.. It has everything to do with money and time.. They did not want to put the time in that costs money to optimize their game engine to work on non-x86 based systems. If they can scale the game to work with high end gaming PCs down to the low end netbook powered consoles then they can scale it to the Wii U and other PPC platforms. Apparently that was not worth their time or their money. Ben English You’re just being pedantic. Sure, they *could * optimize the game to weaker platforms than XBO and PS4, but doing so would mean they couldn’t include everything they wanted to include. FFS, this is the same reason Assassins Creed never came to Wii: sure, you COULD make a pared down 480p game that vaguely resembles Assassins Creed on Wii, or PS2 or Xbox Classic. But it would be fundamentally compromised compared to the other versions. DragonSilths They could include everything into the Wii U version though. Its just a batmobile. Hell get the guys from Slighty Mad Studio’s to show them how its done (Project Cars lol) Stephen Macneil Project Card is just cars. It’s more complicated than just adding a car. Apparently the entire environment is destructible and physics based, and there’s a lot going onscreen. Ben English …. Okay… Let’s back up a bit. Remember Grand Theft Auto 3/Vice City/San Andreas? They had full cities to explore, or in the last case, a whole state. But to get this to work, compromises were made. The models for cars, buildings, and people were much simpler than other games of that era because it had to render a lot of them and do it quickly. In the same vein, the Batman Arkham Games had buildings that are a lot more detailed and intricate than those in Grand Theft Auto 4 or Saint’s Row 2. This was possible because Batman, on foot or gliding, does not move as fast as Niko Bellic speeding through Star Junction. Every computer has limits and bottlenecks, and developers use many tricks to get around or hide them if they can… But people still notice them. When a door in Metroid Prime takes longer than usual to open after you shoot it, you can bet there’s a boss or other surprise encounter waiting on the other side. When they say the Batmobile is the thing keeping them from releasing the game on Wii U or last gen platforms, what they mean is they don’t want to comprise speed. As he says in the quotes in the article, they don’t want to force the Batmobile to run at 25MPH to compensate for bottle necks. They don’t want to reduce the detail and fidelity of the game to make high speeds possible on less powerful platforms. It’s not because they don’t know how to render a car. The Project Cars reference is ridiculous. Could they get a working version on Wii U, PS3, or 360? Sure, probably. Would it be worth the effort? On PS3 and 360, yeah, probably, in the sense of financial returns–on the Wii U no. The install base is too low for the kind of work it would take to be worth the risk. But the fact that they don’t want to do it and that Warner Bros isn’t even making them do it strikes me as good evidence that they honestly think the game will not be able to be as good on less powerful hardware. DragonSilths More Wii U owners then Xbox One owners…Wii U will have a bigger userbase then Xbox One will in the end. Other then the USA, and UK sales will be shit everywhere else. Wii U has Japan, Canada, on lock down and decent sales everywhere else. Only the UK is Nintendo’s weakest area. FlashFan207 Project Cars is going to show all the naysayers out there what the Wii U is truly capable of. Stephen Macneil That’s right, they would essentially be creating another port of the game on power PC architecture. Do we really want a low end version of the game? I’m surprised so many Wii U owners are upset about this when the sales show people don’t buy third party on the Wii U. Most people who are serious gamers have either a last gen 360/ps3, or an XO/PS4. Bob Wilkerson Screw you and your serious gamers comment. Hard for Wii U owners to justify buying 3rd party games when the 3rd party games have been pretty much all stripped of features or delayed since the Wii U’s launch. When a game sells for the same price people are going to buy it on other platforms as studies show most gamers are a multiplatform household. For the record I know many Wii U gamers that do buy 3rd party and people are upset because the whole batmobile reason is complete crap. They could at least be honest and say it was not worth their time and money to make the game on the Wii U or anything not x86 based. Stephen Macneil Whoa! My point was that you shouldn’t buy a nintendo console expecting third party. Every nintendo console I owned I had another console to go with it, and a PC. While I don’t expect everyone to have the money to do this, nintendo pretty much designed the wii u with first party in mind and never asked third party devs for advice like Sony and MS. As much as I love the Wii U it was created to compete with last gen. I have a lot of third party games on wii u but if they didn’t exist I would’ve gotten them on another console. I got wii u for mario, Zelda, etc. Bob Wilkerson I don’t buy ANY console EXPECTING 3rd party. I buy them for the exclusives and if 3rd party games come I welcome that but I also would like the games be complete and uniform across the platforms. I usually get most of my 3rd party on PC because the games are less expensive and drop in price faster. SERIOUS gamers buy the platforms that have the games that they want to play so I did not like your comment that serious gamers are XBOX and Playstation players implying that Nintendo gamers are not serious. Stephen Macneil I don’t know one single person who considers themselves a hardcore gamer that only buys nintendo hardware. I don’t mean that in a derogatory way. My girlfriend only plays nintendo games and Nintendo is my favourite software developer. My point is I don’t understand why people expect 3rd party games, especially when it’s not even coming to 360/ps3. Nintendo doesn’t seem to care what third parties are interested in, or what Sony and Microsoft are doing. Enumerating Wishes I am mediocre at best for FPS games and I do play mostly on Nintendo hardware yet I consider myself a hardcore gamer. I play platformers (3D & 2D), run & gun (side-scroll), fighting games (e.g. SSB, SC, capcom fighters, etc), beat em ups (2D) and a few niche genres better than the majority of my friends. In either case I do like your point regarding 3rd party support and I do agree with it. I’m not really interested in the fact that it came skipped the Wii U but their answer by which even if it held the slightest truth, was still bull as described by Lil J Moore. Bob Wilkerson I know several people that consider themselves hardcore gamers that are not even close to that. A hardcore gamer is a person that loves and spends a lot of time playing video games. It has nothing to do with the types of games you play or the systems you play them on. I also have an XBOX 360 and had Playstation 2 and Playstation 1 and Sega systems in the past. I will buy the systems that have the games I like to play. Simple as that. Stephen Macneil Fair enough point, but what I’m trying to say is if you like more than first party nintendo games you should consider getting another platform. I’ve always loved nintendo games and I’ve bought tons if third party on wii u, but I need to have another platform for other games I love. I just find it weird that people get this upset. Bob Wilkerson So your statement should have said “If you are a serious gamer you really cannot limit yourself to one gaming platform” Stephen Macneil I could’ve said that, yes, but What my initial statement comes down to is I’m surprised people get this upset when Nintendo has had a long history of not being a great third party platform. I don’t see how someone can have a huge range of gaming tastes and desires and think they’re going to get that on a Nintendo console. sillybajillies because car games did not work on last gen? grand theft auto 4 and 5 both had moments where you drove in a car while other events were happening around you and the world was still being rendered beautifully. now i doubt a system more powerful than last gen cant handle a batmobile driving around. Enumerating Wishes Power is no issue. Considering the lack of 3rd party support also means a lack of familiarity with Nintendo hardware. Not only is it somewhat foreign, the development tools some of these game devs use are possibly “out-dated” and in need of cleaning. Getting the best performance of any console requires meticulous attention and quite frankly it’s not worth the investment on the Wii U. Look at it this way. The Xbox One and PS4 are Apples while the Wii U is a Orange. If more people buy apple juice it would make sense to invest less resources in oranges. DragonSilths But what you didn’t add into the equation is that the “Apple” company is risking bankruptcy…(Sony) They still chose to go with a company that has more holes then all the prostitutes in the world. jay Greed and selfishness. Has nothing to do with a sinking boat. Yes the sinking boat may have more holes than all the prostitutes in the world, but all the passengers on board(3rd parties) are hoarding up all the booty before it sinks. DragonSilths When it comes to ANY 3rd party multiplat. Wii U can handle ANY PS4 or Xbox One game. Yes you would have to cut a few things, draw distance and such, but Wii U can handle it. More power then you think. Hell shin’en is an incredibly small team and they get more out of the Wii U then any 3rd party does. matt WiiU could handle any ps4 game with no cuts…. matthew garcia I just purchased infamous on ps4 and trust me wii u could not handle that game without any cuts. It would have to be a lower tech version jay It could. The Wii U’s architecture is next gen. The problem with that though is that most developers weren’t ready for it. The ps4 is an upgrade of ps3, Wii U is something completely new. matthew garcia Wii u is not new it’s been out for a year and 4 months. Also ps4 is completely different then ps3. Ps4 is built like a pc and ps3 was built with cell processor that no devs wanted to figure out early in its life. Ps4 went with what it has to be developer friendly as possible. Nintendo is to blame for not showing proof of its power showing pretty colorful versions of mario and donkey Kong only which are sidescrollers. Not hard to make a sidescroller look pretty matt Well said Jay the wiiu has a memory intensive design ie very high bandwidth ram basically edram on cache,cpu,gpgpu,everything when devs unlock everything you have a console 4 times or more capable then it is today,ps4 ect are maxed out already…even Iwata said we have already gone to the next level in pushing wiiu’s power ages ago and games like Bayo2,MK8,SMW,ect show this in spades. abe actually its our fault, we didnt buy third party games on Wii U because they was gimped or cut hoping that devs and publishers would see that we dont want crap ports but all they saw was that no one bought their game on Wii U. If a 3rd party game is gimped in some way buy it new when it’s price drops to whats acceptable considering the content. Sniper Elite lost half it’s content so pay half the RRP. This shows the Publishers that there is a market on Wii U and though buy cut games at cut price and communicating with developers via forums will let them know we want proper games. We get to play games, Publishers get money and developers get more work everyone wins Rich Garriques tired of this shit from 3rd party publishers with there bs Donaald A PS4 for first party games? Then I guess I have some swampland in Florida I would like to sell you. Vriska Serket Third party pu8lishers are my kismesi Magnus Eriksson But you are inferior. Thats how it is to be a fanboy. kentray1985 Hey they arent releasing this game for the xbox 360 and ps3 either so why are you acting like they did something wrong to Nintendo fans. Clearly what they are trying to do with arkham knight cant be done on the wiiu. Just face the fact that the wiiu isnt strong enough to handle games like this. This game on wiiu is the same as trying to play battlefield on a hd intel 2500 card. This game on the wiiu would run so slow the batmobile want even look like its moving. Its not the publishers fought that Nintendo wasnt thinking about the future and huge 3rd party’s like arkham knight. Nintendo fans should have the vendetta with Nintendo because they are the prime reason the wiiu dont get these amazing titles. Nintendo had everybody including ne fooled with that zelda demo they had before the wiiu release. We thought they finally woke and realized what the gamers want then bam the wiiu had released and pretty much pissed off alot of people including developers. The online had no cross chat and your digital games was still stuck to the system like the first wii. The hardware wasnt that much powerful then the ps3 and xbox 360. Most importantly it didnt have little to no games. The ui ran terribly slow because the 1 gigabyte they had to work with. Wake up fans so they can step up and give us what we want because rightnow things are moving pretty slow! wii u is awsome WII U LA RESSISTANCE Yousif Alromaithi Seems goes for me. But in Wii U I like to play some games on it. The fun games were FIFA I mean that game was cool on Wii U. Link Slayer I hate to say it as much of a Nintendo fan that I am when I seen that trailer I knew the Wii U couldnt handle something like that. That game looks like a serious computing hog. Link Slayer I really dont think it has anything to do with the Wii U because with such a huge install bass of 360 and ps3 they would have been stupid just to leave them out. I really believe it is purely because the hardware of the last gen systems and the current gen Nintendo system just cant handle it. We will get some awesome 3rd party games made exclusivly for the Wii U though chertio Gotta hate Nintendo for making such weak hardware. RedChu This feels like the Wii all over again in terms of third-parties. Honestly, though, I’m not quite sure I understand this reasoning. The Batmobile would only have a top speed of 25mph on Wii U and last-gen consoles? Lil J Moore I sense bull in those statements. That guy who hates Spike Technologically impossible on the Wii U? Yeah, because that’s too hard to believe (sarcastic comment). Capt. Smoker …. Adrian Brown gomu gomu no……… baaaaaka Will W It sounds like a lot of legal buzz words… Nathan C. I totally agree. Remember when developers reworked some PS3/360 games to work on the Wii? It’s improbable, not impossible.  Let me check my bullsh** meter real quick… *Scans article* *Needle breaks and goes flying through the wall* …Yup. Definitely bull. SirDovahkiin Your needle hit me in the eye 🙁 smithy501 What a load of crap … too much bull going on Je Saist I think Rocksteady is… well… extremely incorrect about their statements about what the WiiU is capable of. I think a far more reasonable explanation is that their development tool-chain is fundamentally broken. E.G. Rocksteady cannot simultaneous publish changes to their binary clients across OSX / Linux / Windows; a major sign that their tool-chain includes use of proprietary API’s or toolkits, likely Microsoft based. Such a broken tool-chain effectively castrates Rocksteady’s ability to address multiplatform development; and in turn means that any and all development is done in a platform-specific manner, rather than a platform neutral manner. The result is a huge increase in developer resources when having to port software from one platform to another; and in the case of the WiiU, Xbox 360, and PS3 this means converting software optimized for x86-64 to PowerPC; as well as backporting from OpenGL 4.x for the PS4 to a minimum of OpenGL 3.0 ES for the WiiU… and even further back to OpenGL ES 2.0 for the 360 and PS3… and then having to convert from GLSL to HLSL for the 360. So, short version: I don’t fault Rocksteady for not even attempting a WiiU release, but it’s more down to their internal development practices than anything specifically related to the console itself. matt WiiU uses Open gl 4.1 mate……. Xavier Lopez Chabelo And still… if they port this game is not going to sell shit NyallJodhan Balderdash!!!! If this reason is true, then my name is Madonna! The coding is different, that is all. They’re just being lazy, and/or prefer not to expend resources for that change. I prefer developers straight out say this rather than dodge around and end up bashing the system altogether. Unless, that was their intention from the start. Michael Hughes What’s different about Rocksteady’s Batmobile than the vehicles in Need for Speed U or Project Cars? NyallJodhan It’s the Batmobile!!! LOL, just kidding around. Most glaring example eh? matt The ones in Project cars are much better ?? wiiu can handle Batman Knight better then ps4 easy 563.2Gb of bandwidth ram come on…..i smell bullcrap,i mean ps4 had troubles with COD ghosts online ?? if anything it will be pc version that really shines anyway,look at the before and after on second son ect i smell bullcrap. Kevin James McAllister Easy – the racing games are only concerned with racing and racing tracks. The Batmobile in Arkham Knight will probably be traversing the same areas you can on foot, and it becomes an issue of loading areas seamlessly. NyallJodhan Did you listen to yourself? The racing games are not just about ONE car traversing an area (as in a person on foot), but MULTIPLE cars. NyallJodhan This is one of the reasons I can’t wait for Project Cars to come out: it will shut a lot of naysayers up. DK_Hadouken Bullshit. http://youtu.be/fSkd3PNBnUo jjbredesen Reading the comments below make me sick! You guys are ridiculous! This is not a bullshit excuse, it is 100% legit. 1. If they want to load huge areas extremely fast, and have them look like they are aiming, Wii U despite me defending its power will not be able to keep up in that area, it is more powerful than people say, but it is 100% understandable what they are saying. They want to innovate and let you use the batmobile like a Mech, and the architecture differences that i have already gone though enough, will make it hard for them to port it over with Warner Brothers as a publisher. They don’t have a lot of time, and they want to make a great product, so if there is anyone who needs to be blamed its Warner Brothers, and in Nintendo. Nintendo made WIi U better than PS4 and Xbox one in terms of architecture, but it makes it harder to port the games. Daniel Gonzalez Not sure about better, but complex architecture is certainly a reason why Wii U doesn’t get many ports and it just costs more money to work around it. People may not wanna hear that, but that’s the reality of the situation. jjbredesen Im my opinion Wii U has better architecture, but i am sure you have read my rants on that subject 😛 It is time that is the greatest problem, they would make a Wii U version if they could, but Rocksteady makes good quality games, and Warner Brothers is all about the money, almost as bad as EA, so what we have is little time and a developer who does not want to rush there products. And they need to prioritize there version that will make the most money and give them the least technical constraints. Daniel Gonzalez Well, different opinion there on what’s better. I know. ;P Well. most publishers are about money, nothing new there. Rocksteady is a very respected developer and to call them “lazy” is rather comical. People seem to think that developing games is as easy as mowing a lawn. There’s a lot more to it than that. They chose which platforms their working on, and that’s that. Wii U would only hinder development time due to it’s complex hardware. jjbredesen Yup, its as simple as that, they need money and want to make a good product, Wii U is made with 1st party Nintendo tiltles in mind, like Wii was made partly because of the possibility with Zelda. Minamoto really wanted to let you become link, the same goes for Wii u, but i donno if they knew what they wanted it to be. thedeciderU true, hopefully sales will pick up and we’ll see better support. meaning any support. Lil J Moore So that makes it an legit excuse for some developers to be lazy? jjbredesen Its legit, because the publisher is the one creating the problem, they can’t possibly create a Wii U version with such little time, devs work there arses of, they can’t work even more, unless you want them working 18/7 or something crazy its not possible. They want to not rush the game, but make a good one, Rocksteady is a good developer not a lazy one. Daniel Gonzalez Whenever a game isn’t coming to the Wii U, the usual excuse is that the “developer is lazy.” You’re right, they work their butts off and have to even pull all nighters just to get the game done in a time frame. jjbredesen Yeah the usual excuse is that they are lazy, and it can only be applied to a few, most of them do work extremely much, and get shit for it. Lil J Moore I’m not using developers are excuse. Yes they work there A$$es off to create a good game. I just don’t like it when they come to us with some bull excuse on why something is happening the way it is. jjbredesen but the excuse is not bull, they want to add more futures, and don’t have much time. The publisher wants them to make as much money as possible and they want to use PS4 and Xbone because it gives them less technical constraints. Rocksteady wants to make the best product possible, and if they tried to make a Wii U port it would be a toned down version, not just because of Wii U being a bit weaker, but because they would have little time make it, leaving an unfinished product. Lil J Moore Features not futures man. lol Edit: anyway I don’t like this. but i’ll live. I like the Arkham games and will be picking this up. I just hope they don’t go too joker heavy in this one. jjbredesen Thanks XD, my grammer gets a bit messed up, i am Norwegian and i have a lot to write 😛 Lil J Moore It’s alright man Daniel Gonzalez Their superiors tell them to make up reasons which is a bit lame on their part, but I do believe it wouldn’t really matter too much. People would still be disappointed or voice their disgust one way or another. Nintenjoe82 It’s always disappointing to hear people claim that ‘the devs were lazy’ when they made almost perfect ports (the majority with enhancements) of all those games ready for Wii U launch. It’s not even publisher laziness at this point. It’s fear of throwing away money. The only thing I don’t like is the fact they make lame attempts to sugar coat the truth on behalf of their publishers. Daniel Gonzalez It’s to soften the blow. If they actually just said exactly what’s on their minds, they’d probably still get the same response from the majority of fans. I do agree with you, though. D.M.T And your comment makes me sick as well, so i guess we’re equal. But hey I expected you to defend this 3rd party dev. The funny thing about what you said is that 3rd parties don’t care about making a great product in little time. A lot of 3rd party games these days are average at best. All they care about is making the game look beautiful aka GRAPHICSSS lol. Nice try but this is not legit or 100% understandable jjbredesen Ok, lets start with: “A lot of 3rd party games these days are average at best. All they care about is making the game look beautiful aka GRAPHICSSS” A lot of 3rd party devs make bad games and keep making sequels with better graphics and thats sort of it. (COD, FIFA etc.) That is true, but i am talking about Rocksteady and there relationship with Warner Brothers. Rocksteady is extremely respected as a developer and people that know them, know that they use a lot time on making great products, BUT WB have given them little time, and want them to make money, so a PS4 and Xbone version will become the priority, since most PS4 and Xbone users buy 3rd party games unlike Wii U owners. Then we have the fact that they want to be able to make it as future rich as possible so they will go with the more powerfull hardware. When they are done with those versions they will only have a small amount of time, to make a Wii U version and that will mean that the Wii U version will be rushed and not as good as the other versions. Rocksteady works as hard as they can, but WB is almost as bad as EA! I understand your frustration, but i think you have been a little quick to point the finger at the dev. They have been told to give the public as excuse and because of certain rules this is what they had to say. Arthur Jarret If it works for porn (same thing, different girls) – it can work for games, right? All I need are pretty assets in both. jjbredesen True, true but PS4 can do it in 4K :P, but then again you can bring the gamepad to the toilet… greengecko007 Everyone says that, but whenever I take the gamepad in the restroom that is adjacent to the room the Wii U is in, it loses the connection. It’s not even 15 feet away from the console. jjbredesen Yeah, that can be a problem, and that is why i removed all the walls in my house and moved my toilet in to my living room 😉 yeah I wouldn’t bother replying to DMT. He has no clue what it costs to make games or optimize them for different consoles. He doesn’t understand the technical aspects of it so there’s no point in explaining it to him. Daniel Gonzalez Perfectly put. D.M.T Uhuh keep telling yourself that. I like how ignoramuses like you think they know better than me. jjbredesen As Daniel said Perfectly put! I just need to write it so other people that are not so blind can see it. Yen It’s not bullshit excuse, but it’s still a little crappy. Definitely not 100% legit, maybe 50%. 1. Yes, loading a huge area at a fast speed will require a lot of power, but at the same time, if the batmobile is moving at an extremely fast speed through the area, they don’t need to animate every little detail, just the immediate surroundings and as much detail as you can see when you’re driving a car at say 100mph. Usually when you’re going that fast your vision is a little blurred. 2. Architecture difference is always a problem but not impossible to overcome. However if the developers/publishers don’t want to invest in methods to make it easier then that is their choice. What I don’t agree with is the idea that they can’t innovate because the Wii U has less power. True innovation isn’t limited by that. 3. Yea devs are usually crunched on time, I would just like to add that Nintendo was never above delaying games to make them better… pretty sure they’re known for it for better or for worse. I would never blame Nintendo for not giving the devs enough time to make a great product. 4. I don’t know about better because that’s subjective. Harder to port shouldn’t be a fault on the Wii U because another way to look at it is, Wii U decided on a certain architecture, and PS4 and XBone deviated. Why is it always about porting from PS4/XBone to Wii U and not the other way around? That was rhetorical, the most likely reason is because those are new machines and devs really want to work with them. My point is, for 3rd party developers that port games often, that should be the first thing to consider, developing crossplatform capabilities in their engine. This doesn’t mean making the engine weaker than it can be, it means having an engine that is adaptable to every platform. Of course, they could just say screw it and not do that. Dev’s choice. yeah You usually ‘build’ your game for the strongest platform and then port it over. For example, look at Skyrim- was built for 360 then ported to ps3 which is why it had problems. That’s why you don’t start on WiiU and then port to ps4/xboxone. Plus, now that they’re both on the same architecture, it isn’t as much work as it used to be between 360 and ps3’s cell, but it’s as much work as that to port to wii u. It just isn’t cost effective. jjbredesen Thank you for using common sense, i agree with you on all of your points, but on point 4. the problem is that they make it on the strongest platform that is easiest to program for. As i have said before Wii U uses a more advance way of doing things, and Xbox and PS4 uses a easier and more familiar (and older) way of doing things closer to that of last gen, so it is simply easier to start with them, and it will make more money, starting with Wii U would be more work, because they would then have to add more effects, upscale textures and rescript/optimize the game for the diffrent hardware. Since PS4 and Xbone are a lot more similar they can make 2 version a lot faster than making 1 for Wii U, and then using a lot of time on the PS4 and Xbone version to get it finished, i just makes it easier. There could be loopholes, but in general this is how it will be done, atleast that’s what it looks like. Yen That make sense, I agree. My point 4 was more of a what if scenario. I also see it working the other way around regarding building for the strongest platform first. If you build for the weakest first, you know for a fact that it’ll work on everything that’s more powerful. You can even upgrade it at that point. The architecture and the other two console being more similar in structure is a much better reasoning for why Wii U doesn’t get as many ports or get water downed ports occasionally. See, I wish developers would just say that if that’s the case. I don’t mind if developers say the Wii U isn’t as powerful plus it’d take longer to make the game. Or saying that they don’t think it’s worth it for the amount of sales they project Wii U getting. That’s up to the developers. But when you say things like the batmobile can’t go faster than 25 mph on the Wii U or last gen systems, that’s a bad excuse imo. There are many better ways to say it. Like they don’t want to lower the quality of the environment to render it fast enough to follow the batmobile. That says pretty much the same thing but sounds less idiotic. Arthur Jarret TL;DR – not enough shaders jjbredesen lol, ok i will now only write my thoughts on a subject in 3 word or less 😛 Jacob Bulkley Aren’t some of the Wii U’s loading times effected by everything getting loaded from disc drive? Doesn’t Xbox and PlayStation install portions of the game onto the HDD for quicker loading times? jjbredesen Yes, it does create a lot of problems, the discdrive is a bit slow on reading discs just look at DK:TF. And yes parts of the games are installed on the HDD of XB and PS, but some games do that on Wii U to, but not like on XB and PS, only small things get saved. thedeciderU BARF! me too. Daniel Gonzalez What do I think? I think a lot of fans are going to be pissed and those here are going be all “grrrrrr!” and “rawr!!!!” over news they don’t like or wanna hear. That about sums it up. DC777 Bitch please. You just didn’t feel like doing the work. Man up and admit it: A) Doing a different type of port unlike the other 3 clones is too much work for ya B) Promoting your own game on Wii U so it actually sells is too much work for ya Man up and quit blaming it on “the Batmobile” aka “I have this friend”. The specs are horseshit excuses proven wrong EVERY TIME by games like TLOU running on ancient 512mb systems. Christ…enough b.s. already. I’m out. Xavier Lopez Chabelo Still, most of the NIntendoFanboys dont care about third party Daniel Gonzalez Yep. The bigger reason why they skipped the Wii U on this one. The last two Batman games didn’t sell well on Wii U. Fans can say that the first one was gimped, but I do believe AC wasn’t and still had the same results. Xavier Lopez Chabelo I think AC was laggy, but that was not a problem for me 😀 Felix De Jesus Gonzalez R. excuse!!! Nintenjoe82 I blame the lizards who secretly control everything that happens in the world! If it wasn’t for them, publishers wouldn’t make their devs say stupid reasons instead of being honest about how badly the previous games sold. It’s the only logical explanation. matt They obviously haven’t a clue of what WiiU can do what a load of rubbish….. Ultrasyd Tell me : who showed them what the Wii U can do ? Nintendo ? matt Well the early tech demos on much weaker hardware showed more promise then this Batman game so yeah Nintendo have shown them and at E3 this year with Retro working on something big and Zelda not to mention that secret 3rd party exclusive thats bigger then Bayonetta2 i think its Timesplitters wiiu ?? as crytek are working with Nintendo all i know is Mariokart8/X has the best graphics in my eyes and X just looks to be the most ambitious Nextgen openworld game,no load times ect 4 player co-op wow in them graphics…. Ultrasyd An early hardware doesn’t mean weaker at all. A prototype could as well be more powerful, or closer to a PC, until they decided to reduce the costs for final production, or focus more on the gamepad capacities during its development. I think that, as a general rule, a project often starts with big things, until you have to reduce to fit some constraints. See the last trailer of Watch_dogs for example. I hope we’ll have some very good news at E3 this year ! I have high expectations for X. But damn, june is so far away. Concerning Mario Kart though, from the trailers, I see it looks good, but nothing astonishing or very complex. The textures, mapping, shadows, animations and modeling are pretty simple, of course because that’s how the game has to be. I don’t think it’s the game that will show what Wii U is really able to do. matt Mariokart 8 is amazing in graphics cheer up mate,compare it to Sega’s racing and it destroys it and makes it look like ps1 kid everyone says it looks incredible get a like,project cars on wiiu will also look and play incredible. greengecko007 ” X just looks to be the most ambitious Nextgen openworld game,no load times ect 4 player co-op wow in them graphics….” I’m fine with people being hyped up for X, in fact, I think it’s great, but please, do yourself a favor and look up The Witcher 3, Dragon Age 3, and The Elder Scrolls Online. They are all next gen open world games, and X is so far behind all of them. Ducked Stupid reason. Don’t really care, for Batman anyways. Nintenjoe82 I thought I might be the only person who thought the Arkham games were a bit overrated! Guest They are… but still they are very good games Ducked I thought the same thing too, glad I’m not JB As a huge Batman fan, I’m insulted by this comment! HAHA. Though seriously, it’s a great game! I think a lot of people go gaga over the Arkham games because Rocksteady nailed the Batman experience for it’s fan base. From the voice acting, to the story and more importantly the gameplay. matt And Retro Studios who are making a game and called wiiu a powerhouse will show a game with more demanding gameplay at E3 and everyone will laugh at this. CydeFxt LMAO! Oh ok. matt Give it 2 days and Warner bros will say the wiiu can handle it blah blah…. steveb944 BS Xavier Lopez Chabelo Reasonable, Why make the effort to port an excelent game that is not going to sell shit? Matt I heard that the Batmobile needs 500MB of RAM to do correctly, which is the entire RAM for PS3 and 360. The Wii U can do it but would need alot of work to get the rest of the game done with the remaining RAM matt Look 563.2GB of bandwidth ram could help,as well as the edram section i mean Shinen says you can almost get rid of load times when using that edram section and that game X is zero load times in a huge world more detailed with tons more draw distance ect with dinasours and monsters all over the place even the scenery is dynamic by the looks of it and with 4 player co-op come on Batman knight is just a gimmick in comparison you wait til E3 and then look at the games and Batman will not be even close to what’s on show. ActivesiN is this for real…couldn’t they just say the last versions of batman didn’t sell well on Nintendo Wii U so we are not releasing the next version… Gregg This could be the worst excuse I have ever read for anything in my life. jjbredesen Then, you must have read a lot of fantastic excuses in your life 😛 insomniac well its bound to happen to the ps3 and 360 their gonna start phasing them out i hate to hear this for wii u tho. but i think nintendo has something bigger planned in the coming few years. Christian Schoff It’s an obvious lie. ZeldaFanzzzz What a load of BS!!!!! Bob Wilkerson Lol. This is a whole new level of bullshit. These developers will make up anything these days. The truth is probably they didn’t want to take the time to optimize their game engine for anything non-x86. If the netbook powered XB1 and PS4 can run this game so can the Wii U. Sure some effects may have to suffer and maybe a scale down to 720p but it can happen. I can’t wait until Bayonetta 2 and “X” are released and they look as good as anything on the x86 netbook powered “twins” and all the developers claiming performance of the Wii U is an issue are shown to be the liars they are. Nathan Ostroski Agreed. Many engines are scalable. B:AK could work on the Wii U if the developers wanted it to. But because it’s not coming to Wii U, that means the devs don’t want it on Wii U. Plain and simple. greengecko007 This would work if X and Bayonetta 2 had visual fidelity anywhere close to what the PS4 and Xbox One are putting out. Both of those games look like PS3 games, and I don’t see their release proving anything about the Wii U’s capabilities. Daniel Gonzalez I think some people need glasses on this site. Bayonetta 2 and X aren’t close to PS4 or Xbox One. I saw both trailers and gameplay. You’re right, it looks more closer to PS3. Of course though, this is a Wii U news site, have to remember most are going to be biased. DragonSilths WHAT? X looks better then ANYTHING the 8th gen has so far. Except maybe MK8…that looks gorgeous. thedeciderU have you seen ps4 on a huge 1080p tv? from what i’ve seen so far, x and b2 will not compare visually to ps4 games like killzone: shadow fall and even b4. i’m not a fan of those games, but man, especially killzone looks pretty amazing. DragonSilths Shadowfall???Looks the EXACT same as the PS3 Killzone’s. Just a bigger scale. And Killzone isn’t 1080p and 60fps. thedeciderU exact? really? you think so? i love my wiiu, but i know that ps4 is capable of more detailed graphics. and it doesn’t look exactly like ps3. whether it’s 1080p or not, i’m talking about the graphics, lighting, texture, etc. i don’t really care about graphics but i’m not going to lie to myself either. i bet x is going to be awesome though. Daniel Gonzalez Apparently, you need glasses if you think they are the same. Lol. DragonSilths 2 things, once more I don’t wish to deal with the troll known as you. And 2nd I have glasses already. matt WiiU has the nextgen games,ps4 has ps3.5 games…… matt X destroys everything wow the draw distance everything them mountains the textures seamless zero load times open world wow…….ps4 please take a seat matt Very funny mate get a grip them 2 games look nextgen unlike ps4 crap,i mean 178GB of bandwidth ram and a notebook cpu Hmmm do1 you joker. NyallJodhan On a side note: Cabela’s Big Game Hunter Pro Hunts was released two days ago, March 25th. Why is this the best kept secret in Nintendo land? LJay Pish,pish and pish… JB To be fair, Rocksteady has never developed an Arkham game for Nintendo, so it’s not a huge loss. I’ll just get it on PS4 jjbredesen Arkham City came to Wii U and was made by Rocksteady 😛 Daniel Gonzalez It was ported to the Wii U by WB Montreal. The more you know. ;P jjbredesen Dam, well thanks for correcting me on that one 🙂 classicgamer20 Hmmm the bullshit is strong with this one. Ben English Honestly I actually buy this, considering it’s also not coming to PS3 and 360 despite those having much bigger install bases than any 8th Gen console. The Wii U obviously has some advantages over those systems in terms of RAM and GPU, but it doesn’t have a particularly fast disc-read speed or processor so there’s still a bottleneck. I’m disappointed that there’s no Wii U version, but not surprised. Bob Wilkerson Easily fooled I see Ben English Hahaha, what the hell dude. If you’re so clever, please explain to me the real reason. Bob Wilkerson It’s simple really.. They did not want to spend time optimizing the game engine for the PPC based systems including the Wii U. If they can make the game scale to run on high end gaming PCs down to the low end netbook based consoles then they can scale it to work on the Wii U and even on the XB360/PS3. A good game engine can scale very widely but it takes time and effort and apparently the effort was not worth it. I can’t fault them for that but they could at least be honest about it. Ben English They could scale it down, certainly. If the financial reasons were the only consideration then I can’t see how it isn’t worth the effort because, again, each 7th Gen console individually has more units in homes than every 8th Gen console combined. They want to produce a game at a certain level of quality. They either cannot do it, or cannot do it within their budget, with hardware weaker than Xbone. SpareChnge Lame Dark-Link73 “It’s the power fantasy of driving this legendary vehicle; if it can only do a top speed of 25 mph that’s not the power fantasy and that’s why we couldn’t have done that previously.” Well I guess that explains why we didn’t get the next title in the NFS series, because the top speed for the cars in NFS:MWU was only 25mph because the Wii U can’t handle the rendering at high speed of an entire city landscape. Somebody better warm the creators of Project C.A.R.S. about this! We don’t want to race F-1 cars at only 25mph! companyoflosers another company of my shit list next to EA Petri Meh, I’ll buy it for PC when it’s at -50% or something. Even though Rocksteady is making this, and Arkham Asylum was one of the best games I’ve played, City did not really impress me. And the fact they let Origins happen… Andrew Baines total bull sh..t not happy Nintendo needs to put the wii u on the line were so called AAA games are and show them what ( Nintendo DO and Others Don’t ) Ryan F I’d gladly take a GamePad centered batmobile for less stellar graphics. Missed opportunities. Daniel Gonzalez Missed sales if they did port it to the Wii U. Missed opportunity for fans, but not for the developers and publishers. Will the3rd Bullshit. The only reason is that is not profitable, which is a big shame, but it’s true, so. It’s a shame this new hope for Nintendo fans, the WiiU, is left again to only Nintendo top games, and not third party, but that’s the reality, so let’s keep hoping this changes the next generation… again :/ JB I don’t deny the lack of profitability, but also I think the architecture for XB1, PS4 and PC are similar this generation, so it’s easier to develop for those platforms simultaneously than it would be for the 360, PS3 and Wii U… just my thoughts. NkoSekirei we all know wii u is more powerful then ps3 and 360 but these devs wont take the risk and see how powerful it really is and thats just sad JB The U is more powerful than last gen systems for sure, but it isn’t on the level of the XB1 or PS4 either, and therein lies part of the problem. Also, I don’t think it’s really the devs fault, I’m sure the publisher (i.e. Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment) looked at the sales of the two previous Arkham games on the U and figured it’s not worth the time and investment to develop a Wii U version. I’m sure this is blasphemy saying this on a Wii U site, but I’d rather them spend the time and resources optimizing and making the game the best it can be on fewer platforms they are comfortable with, than to stretch themselves thin and end up with an inferior product. Like I said in an earlier post, Rocksteady has never developed an Arkham game for a Nintendo platform, so the lack of support really should come as no surprise, *especially* given the fact WBIE pulled DLC support from Origins. The writing was on the walls at that point. Then again, for what it’s worth Rocksteady in itself is a division of Warner Bros. via Time Warner. LOL matt WiiU has dx11 gpgpu in a custom E6760 with tons of edram ect and with 563.2GB of bandwidth ram compared to ps4’s 178GB i don’t believe this statement. Stephen Macneil A lot of devs did take the risk and lost a lot of time and money, that’s the problem. Entropyguy Pretty much. I mean, if Nintendo didn’t do things like motion controls or the second screen they wouldn’t be Nintendo, but I was just thinking the other day that I would love it if for their 9th Generation system they used cutting-edge graphics, memory, etc. and simply used a slightly updated version of the Wii U’s Pro controller (which I think is the most comfortable controller of this generation) for their games. Sylux Well of all statements I have heard so far for games to skip Wii U, this by far is the most humorous BS I have ever heard. Stating that PS4/X1 have 8 cores and 8GB of ram compared to Wii U’s tri-core(2 tri-cores actually stated by some hacker who broke down Wii U recently, but what do I know, I only read it) and that it has “only” 2GB ram would even be a better excuse, but a vague excuse like this…? ROFLMAO! bizzy gie Guys, you can’t keep blindly defending Wii U. It’s a great system with arguably the BEST games line up of any 8th gen console. However, you need to understand that it is much weaker than its competitors. I heard that the Batmobile would take up almost as much space on a disk as a full PS360 game. Third parties are going to only get more technologically advanced and Wii U can’t keep up. It’s not powerful enough. Wii U is my primary gaming console so this saddens me. Here’s the truth: Wii U won’t get third party support now due to low sales. When sales do pick up, games will be too advanced to be ported to Wii U. This gen it’ll be a Nintendo-only platform AGAIN. Yen If it’s about Wii U being weaker, they can just say it. Then there’d be no way for people to argue. The problem today is HOW they said it. There are lots of ways to say the Wii U can’t do what they needed. What they said is, they want the batmobile to go more than 25mph, and that’s a pretty laughable excuse imo. bizzy gie Nintendo just needs to start making more powerful systems. The next Nintendo platform can be powerful AND Nintendo can still do their own thing. The top suits at Nintendo think it’s one or the other. Nintendo needs new management. It’s practically fact (although technically opinionative). Don’t fire Miyamoto, Iwata, or Reggie. Just add new guys who actually understand power, online gaming, and modern day gamers. Imagine a Super Mario 64 with a world 5 times as big to explore. Yen It’s funny that you bring up Super Mario 64 when talking about how they need a more powerful system. Nintendo 64 was not the most powerful system of it’s time either, but it had some of the greatest games and created the best memories (also opinionative). Bringing a new person to work with the existing management is a great idea I think. You always hear people demanding Iwata be fired and that Nintendo needs new management, but this is probably the one that makes the most sense. Bring someone new with new ideas in and work together with the old management instead of replacing it. Yea Nintendo can make powerful consoles but still do their own thing, but is power really all that is needed? My impression is, a great game will be great regardless of how good the graphics is or how well the system runs it as long as it works with the design. If devs want to make a game that requires high resources, and they have to skip the Wii U, I think that’s okay. What isn’t okay imo is saying they won’t develop for it at all because it’s too hard to work with or the architecture is too different. That’s laziness and/or lack of trying. yeah “The next Nintendo platform can be powerful AND Nintendo can still do their own thing.” Maybe. Had the Wii U been as expensive as the PS4 it would still be the least powerful out of the 3 but by a much smaller margin than now. Thing is, who would have bought the Wii U for 400$? After the Wii, who are you really marketing if you’re Nintendo? I doubt it’s people that would pay 400 (plus tax and a game so ~500$) for a game console. 300-350 is much better but comes with being as powerful as it is now. :/ Nintendo has an uphill battle ahead trying to regain a foothold with gamers. matt The Wiiu was the same price as ps4 mate Nintendo are taking a loss or were the price difference is just Sony ripping you off mare. matt Listen it’s a joke the wiiu could render it at 200mph please……the wiiu is a beast wait for E3 and everyone will be shut up….. Petri Claiming that one object in game, is going to take 8-10GB space? It must be bigger in the inside? And think they claimed it taking 500MB ram. bizzy gie Said nothing about RAM. Petri Unless you meant some arcade game, then maybe. But there is no way one object with its textures is going to take as much space as full fledged 360 game. I doubt these consoles would even run the game, unless of course rest of the game is light. But I don’t really care. Entropyguy Yeah, that’s really the sticking point. I don’t regret going with the Wii U this generation, because the games it does have are really awesome, but it’s just not powerful enough to get the same games that the PS4/X1 are getting. That said, it’s still irritating that games that come to the PS3/360 won’t come to the Wii U, but I understand that the low install base makes porting unprofitable. bizzy gie Love my Wii U to pieces. It’s affected more of my life than I would have ever thought a simple gaming machine could do. I just wish it were in a better situation. greengecko007 Very well said. Maybe I just didn’t witness it, but I donn’t remember all of this whining and complaining about x_game not coming to the original Wii because of obviously inferior hardware. But I still loved my Wii because I accepted it for what it was. A weaker console to play really good Nintendo games. Why is the Wii U different? NkoSekirei well look wat have been hearing that many other console gamers are not to impress with some of the 3rd party games that are out well with a few good ones and not all of them will be big hits.Heres an example battlefield 4:everyone was excited to play after seeing the cool trailers and then wen it came out boom filled with game breaking gllitches,cant get one multiplayer,patches that backfire and cause more issues and we all know Ea rushed the game out and now paying the price by being sued by their investors and many gamers that have the game are trading it in cause of how bad it really is oontz I have been playing battlefield 4 for the past 3 weeks online (already logged 50+ hours) I have yet to experience any game breaking bugs, no crashes and no issues getting on a server. Sure it may have had issues when it launched in November but it’s been 5 months and those issues are gone. Not to mention playing 64 player online in conquest on a home console is amazing. CaesarGood bullshit elbrody So because the batmobile will only do 25 it won’t come to the WiiU? So it’s a Racing game or what I don’t understand oontz Do you know how to read? WiiUPS43DS I call lazy! Just lazy! Guess who won’t be getting this game for my PS4..Sorry rocksteady Im to lazy to buy your game…:) FutureFox *Mic drop* (no lambasting needed) gamesplayswill They want it to be in 1080p without any drawbacks. The Wii U is powerful, but not enough to keep a steady frame rate in a large open world that has a “very” high resolution. Sam “We have to make our technology choices specifically with reference to the gameplay objectives that we want, so we choose the platforms that are going to give us that.” You didn’t answer the question idiot. Can the Wii U do it or not. I know it can. oontz It can’t, at least not a proper representation of their vision for the game. Michael Mansy It sounds to me like, so far the only changes to the game will be graphics and scale, not gameplay. Aside from riding the Batmobile, I haven’t heard anything new being brought to the table. I realize it’s early, but wouldn’t there be some indication that “this isn’t like the Arkham you remember” or something to that effect? If that’s all this is, a souped up, larger HD version of previous Arkham games, then I don’t have a problem with it not coming to the Wii U. Will (ishigum) It probably wouldn’t have sold well like most other 3rd party games on the Wii U. ACE BATMAN(rocksteady)>>>>Zelda nin-10-doughfan they are full of it! themizarkshow I would have assumed that the use of the new Unreal Engine was the main reason, not the batmobile. NkoSekirei wii u can handle unreal engine 4 and few other powerful gaming engines as well greengecko007 I’m just sitting here laughing at all the dulusional fanboys that think they even have a clue. I like my Wii U, and I’m glad Nintendo is actively supporting it with updates and still has plans to make great games for it despite it not being the huge success they expected. I’m not angry that 3rd party developers are skipping the Wii U, because I know that they are doing what makes the most sense from a business standpoint. I do believe that Rocksteady wants Arkham Knight to be a quality game, and that choosing not to make inferior versions for the Wii U and last gen consoles is an understandable decision. Rinslowe Although I agree with you to a point. And Nintendo should be doing more to invest in AAA third party titles like Bayo 2 for eg…. In the same way. Better advertising and more planed first party offerings including more compelling remakes/ or remasters like WWHD etc… (N64 & GC) Plus continued support of indies. I don’t think it would be fair to call a version inferior before actually playing it. Or having weighed in all the information from reviews and playthroughs etc… For eg; Deus Ex DC was the definitive version on Wii U and yet despite the change in visual style I still feel the original PC version to be “technically superior…” matt Look if they made use of the edram section ie 563.2GB of bandwidth ram I’m sure it could of easily achieved it what a load of crap. Gabe Hoffman So let me get this straight. Arkham Knght is not on Wii U because it couldn’t handle the stinking Batmobile? What exactly does that thing run on anyway? I smell BS here Decker Shado I do find it suspect that the console with the most efficient architecture was somehow not efficient enough. YayGs This is a little upsetting.. Is there at least going to be a PC version so I can play it with my Pro Controller to pretend I’m playing it on Wii U? Daniel Gonzalez There will be a PC version, yes. yeah Pro controller works with pc? Bob Wilkerson They make an adapter that you can buy which is basically a bluetooth adapter and some software to translate the buttons and inputs of the Pro Controller. http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Wii-Pro-Controller-Adapter/dp/B00E6553PW YayGs With some effort, yes. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiw6_KhpgSi4ipInX6mm2Mw/videos?flow=grid&view=0 Bob Wilkerson Yes.. Which I may pick up later on a steam sale or something. If Rocksteady gave an honest reason like it would cost too much time and money to make the game work on non-x86 platforms I would have been like that sucks but I understand and play it on my other gaming platform which is the PC. YayGs Yes, steam sales. I got the first Arkham game for $5, I think I can wait 2 years before buying this one. Bob Wilkerson Yeah I am glad I made the choice to skip the PS4 and XB1 this generation. I built myself a modest gaming PC that cost about $650 and hooked it to my TV. What I paid extra up front for the PC I save by not having an online subscription to pay and getting games at the fraction of the price for what they cost on consoles and much faster price drops. Also the games look better and perform better. I have no issue achieving 40-70 FPS on average at 1080p high settings. So if SteamOS can give me the convenience of a console-like dashboard for my games I am all set. I see no exclusive game on the horizon for either the Playstation or XBOX that will convince me to drop $400+ on either of them. YayGs Very nice. Plus your PC will probably last you longer than the current generation will. I always find it funny when people put emphasis on the graphics of the new consoles and use it as a selling point because it’s always been behind what the PC can already deliver, plus computers are more versatile, and like you did, hook it up to a TV and add a controller and you’re all set to deliver the same in-game experience. A Wii U + a PC makes me a happy camper. Mj78 Look, Wii u is Shite. It is last gen. NkoSekirei i dont know if ur being sarcastic or a troll jrob23 Gotta admit. This one stings the most to me. But I know the Wii U CAN handle this game. They are just CHOOSING not to make it for monetary reasons. I mean, it’s already been well established that the Wii U can keep up with Xbone with lazy dev offerings so power cannot be the reason. jrob23 now with PS4 getting TLOU and this I HAVE to get one. Around fall…just like I planned all along anyway!! Rinslowe It’s a nice little console, with a lot of potential. For mainly console owners who don’t like the PC approach, it provides a pretty neat step up from last generation… Reminds me of when the Area 51 first released. And I would actually take it with, almost everywhere. You wouldn’t regret the purchase IMO… oontz Agreed ps4 is a solid gaming machine. jrob23 I actually owned it for a little over a week and played some, but thought better of it and sold, knowing the games just weren’t there. Love the step up in the controller but that blue light was annoying as heck. ‘Flower’ on it was absolutely the most serene gaming experience I have ever had Ben English The Wii U has a quarter of the RAM of the XBO, a processor with five fewer cores and clocked half a Ghz slower, and a GPU that’s a step above the seven-years-older Xbox 360. Please explain to me how it’s supposed to ‘keep up’ with Xbone in the manner you’re suggesting? Sure, the PS3/360 and Wii U could run a pared down version of the game. But Rocksteady obviously doesn’t want to do that. I wish they did. But if it were solely a monetary thing, then releasing cross gen on PS3/360 would make more sense than leaving exclusive to systems with a much smaller install base. jrob23 you have little to no understanding of the Wii U architecture. Do some research before you spout the company line. Others have already done so and several devs have elaborated on it. I don’t need to waste my time finding this for you, do it yourself Zanzama It’s not as much the Wii U’s “lack” of power as it is the developer’s lack of skill to make it work… yeah “lack of skill” Please, it definitely isn’t due to that type of constraint, but one of cost effectiveness. Ben English Rocksteady lacks skill like Nintendo lacks mascots. They made a licensed Batman game that not only didn’t suck, but was one of the best games of the year, and then they did it AGAIN two years later. ben Honestly, I played armor edition and it was one of the most boring gaming experiences I have had in some time. I love batman, but I just couldnt get into these games. I think it is just me. I love Batman for the Bruce Wayne character. I find playing a game which is essentially an action fighting game a bit boring and there are better action fighting games out there. The game felt slow for me and it had some horrible tutorials that broke the game for me. I wont miss batman on my Wii U, I gave it time and effort and it was not the game for me. jrob23 to each their own. I was literally giddy playing Arkham Asylum and am waiting for City to be delivered so I can play it on PS3. These games by most accounts are stellar oontz Wow, you need to give respect when it’s due. Rocksteady is a solid developer with amazing skills. Just because they aren’t making a watered down port for wiiu doesn’t give you the right to talk shit about them. Grow up. Rinslowe The article “and” the quotations are not directly related. One is assuming the other… On another note, it would be silly to think that even 360/PS3 would not be able to handle the “Batmobile” fully rendered. As the article does not mention the complexity of the game world in it’s entirety – including the effects and features used. It’d be logical to question the articles approach… At least, I think so… oontz I agree nexxus6 I smell something stinky in their remarks. The fact that they couldn’t provide specifics makes things smell even more like b.s. yeah It’s disappointing to read these comments. What a lot of you have to realize is that this game isn’t only for you, but for the people developing it, for the people creating it, imagining it. It’s their game too. If their vision for the game has it running at 60 fps, 1080p, with anti-aliasing so that curves look real smooth, to have nice light details, dynamic shadows etc, then that’s their vision. Why dumb down their vision to make it work on ‘x’ platform when there are platforms that can achieve what they want? It’s their game as much as it is the consumers, and they’re the ones who will be remembered for creating such a game, so it has to live up to their standards. If their standards necessitate more power than the WiiU can afford, then too bad for the WiiU. They’re making the game they want to make, how they want to make it. You can’t blame them for that. If someone wants to create a game where you need a touchscreen, gyro controls, and motion controls, do you think they’ll develop for the Ps4/Xbox One? No, they won’t, because it doesn’t fit into their vision for their game. Let’s get real people, stop diluting yourselves into thinking it’s all about what you want. People choose a career in game development because they like gaming just as much as you. They make games for themselves, and hopefully that sells so they can continue doing it. oontz Well said. jrob23 agreed except I highly doubt Xbone will be able to muster 1080p and 60fps. Plus the Xbone install base will most likely still be less than the Wii U when this releases. It’s basically about money and laziness. Let’s be honest. But you can’t begrudge them for it, I know I don’t. Nintendo needs to get off their ass and do whatever is necessary to move more consoles and the few 3rd party games like this that could come over do in fact come over. Stephen Macneil So refreshing to read that here. Thank you! Dead on. nexxus6 In my opinion, Rocksteady is just to lazy to port it over to the WiiU. It is there choice, but I do think it is a poor one. We are all adults here. Why can’t these companies be honest? Who are they going to piss off other than those who aren’t getting the game, so where is the harm in honesty? Bob Wilkerson I am sure it has to do with the time and money it would cost more than being lazy but to make up something like the Batmobile is the reason is just childish and insulting. nexxus6 If that is the reason, then I wish they would just say that. I would have little issue if Rocksteady said “It is too costly for us to develop a WiiU version for this title.” However, these b.s. statements about the batmobile are much more insulting. Spike Ashford *Sneezes* Sorry, I’m allergic to bullshit. NkoSekirei i call bull$hit on this seriously rocksteady wii u is capable of handling this its more powerful then ps3 and 360 so wat gives Daniel Gonzalez Low sales of the first two is more or less the main reason. In which, they made a good decision from a business standpoint. NkoSekirei i know but saying it cant handle the batmobile(facepalm) Daniel Gonzalez More often than not, it’s their superiors telling them to make up a reason. While it’s not the best reason, I don’t think it would have mattered much. People would still complain one way or another. WB calls the shots, so Rocksteady only has so much control on where their games get ported. I do agree with you that it’s an odd excuse. NkoSekirei im not totally blaming them but they could of made a better excuse then this Daniel Gonzalez They could have, agreed. Some of them try to let down the fanbase easy, but just end up making it worse. It would have been best just to say “we don’t envision this game on Wii U” and been done with it, despite the outcry they would still get. jrob23 agreed…or “at this time we don’t feel the extra amount of time and energy needed to make it for Wii U will lead to sufficient sales to make it economically viable.” Gabe Hoffman That’s why Wii u third party problems are mainly on the publishers rather than the developers themselves as the publishers unfortunately have the final say on which platforms a game goes to Bob Wilkerson That I could have accepted. SImply saying that the time, effort, and cost of making this game work on the Wii U or other non-x86 platforms was not in the budget for this game. How hard is that? jrob23 first one was months late after everyone had played it who wanted to. Second one was gimped and not made by RockSteady. Daniel Gonzalez So was the Wii version of Resident Evil 4. Despite it being a port of a game that everyone played on Gamecube, it still sold well. So that reason is questionable at best. I’ll give you the last one as that’s one possibility. All in all, whether it’s gimped or not, both ports of Batman sold below expectations. Only thing that Rocksteady did wrong here, was make a bad excuse and not give the real reason for their decision. jrob23 RE4 Wii was the definitive version so no surprise it sold well. Not everyone played it on GC in case you missed how poorly that thing sold. Whereas, with City, you have 150 million install base to sell to and pretty much everyone who played Asylum bought City at launch. By the time it hit the Wii U only Nintendo owners who didn’t own a PS360 bought it. Of course it didn’t do well Steve Rees Personally I think it’s just laziness on the developers part. And the unfortunate fact that it won’t seel as many copies as they want. oontz “Personally I think it’s just laziness on the developers part” Personally I think nintendo fanboys calling developers lazy… is getting a bit old. Steve Rees Not sure why your under the impression that I’m a fanboy, but each to their own. It might be getting old, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s true. Just wondering, why are you on a Nintendo site? oontz ” It might be getting old, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s true.” Ha ha… It’s not a matter of being lazy. You’d be better off finding a different adjective than lazy. Ironically enough by you just making that comment shows that you’re the one who is lazy. Get some new material, or at least research the industry and learn why games are made on specific platforms and not others. “Just wondering, why are you on a Nintendo site?” I’ve been a Nintendo day one console owner since the NES. Just because I enjoy Nintendo games means I need to lower the bar and accept the disappointment that the wiiu is? Sorry I hold Nintendo to a higher quality and so far they haven’t delivered ON THEIR promises this generation. Akatosh “Technical problems,” aka, “we need better programmers.” Iflywright I’ll play this game five years from now when microsoft and sony drop their prices considerably. I love Batman but I’m not crazy about missing this new one. I’m more keen on Nintendo courting Rockstar for their new RED DEAD game. RDR was waaay better than arkham imo. Brandon Rockstar never developed a game for a nintendo console, and there not going to start now when the wii u isnt selling and the owners dont buy the games at all or just for the other consoles. J_Joestar http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Rockstar_Games Brandon Touché, well then they never developed a red dead game on a nintendo console. Still the game is not coming to the wii u. URFTBOUND4LIFE . The Batmobile better fucking deliver,then anthony optimo Its fine with me, I would not want to play it in 720p anyway. gamingpalooza might as well say… “I am completely prejudice towards Wii U, even though I come up with a sorry ass excuse for why I don’t want to develop for the Wii U… secretly, there is no reason I can’t. I just choose to be part of the elite group of developers who want to kill Nintendo.” anthony optimo Seems like they are jealous of Nintendo’s bank roll. oontz “the elite group of developers who want to kill Nintendo.” Why you think businesses would want to kill a potential revenue stream is beyond me. Please don’t every try to build/make something and bring it to market with that attitude. J_Joestar probably a cost/profit issue, that revenue stream is useless to you if it costs you more to adjust your product to function on it than you would expect to earn off of it. Easier to avoid it and let it die so that the people will be forced to adopt something that ensures you a better cost to profit ratio. (not talking about this game in particular, but more in general as why developers would want to avoid a certain revenue stream) oontz “why developers would want to avoid a certain revenue stream” avoid I get, but kill off completely? Things always change, maybe a specific console isn’t a viable platform (revenue stream) now. That doesn’t mean it won’t be in the future. metalpants Huh… I guess Watch Dogs is going to be cancelled for sure this time then since you can drive pretty much ANYTHING with wheels and an engine… And I guess Rockstar should go back in time as well and cancel GTA V or at least take out every single vehicle because PS360 “can’t handle it”… _argument status: invalid… _try again oontz “_try again” Maybe try reading the interview… again. metalpants Nah, I don’t really care enough to bother TBH. Just like Assassin’s Creed, I’m pretty Batman Arkham’ed out. I’m ready for new experiences. oontz Funny enough, rocksteady has been talking Justice league. metalpants Now THAT sounds interesting. I would only hope they go for the non-x86 systems ’cause I’m not investing in any other system for a loooong time. oontz This is Rocksteady’s last batman game. They’re talking Justice league (which would be awesome), but I don’t think it would be on old hardware. Arkham Knight seems to show me that they are moving on. Daniel Gonzalez Small chance their next game will be on a non-x86 platform. iamserious It seems X86 is what is determining whether a system is powerful enough to get a given multi plat game. Wii U is powerful enough but the architecture is not the future of gaming apparently. This Sucks. oontz “Wii U is powerful enough” If it was powerful enough, then it’d be powerful enough. HydePark1980 I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, gamers and developers of this generation are so full of shit. Everyone and their mother is so vocal about Nintendo pursuing 3rd parties hard for support, but then third parties turn and say that the system can’t handle this and can’t handle that. Then like idiots we turn around and say that it’s a good business decision, if their business decisions are so good why are third parties having so many exits and layoffs left and right. Now while another person would say that I just have blind faith in Nintendo the truth of it is I just don’t give free passes to third parties like the rest of the industry. Mario I understand. Andrew Clear so, racing games can run on the wii u and last gen hardware, but the batmobile can’t. Rocksteady just lost a sale due to crappy PR. I would have no problem buying it for my PS4, but to come out and give me some BS instead of just saying that they don’t want to make a game for the other consoles, just rubs me the wrong way. I would buy honesty, not lies. oontz Yeah cause a typical race game is the same as a massive open world, 3rd person action game. No really, totally the same thing. oontz No where does he state the wiiu version isn’t happening solely because of the batmobile. Way to over sensationalize another article Ashley. A clear misrepresentation of what was said during the interview to further increase your add click revenue on this site. When will it end? You are doing wiiu owners who visit this site a disservice. They treat your articles as fact when all you’ve done here is make a personal assumption. You even contradict your own misleading definitive headline… “The Batmobile is the reason Arkham Knight isn’t coming to Wii U” with your final statement… “Technical reasons are why Rocksteady has chosen not to deliver a Wii U version of the game.” Maybe, just maybe.. Stick to the facts. No need to try and turn every piece into click bait. FlashFan207 This is total bullshit. Just terrible, Rocksteady. Terrible. Good luck selling it. oontz “Good luck selling it” This is going to sell a lot of units. With or without wiiu support. FlashFan207 My point was that there is substantially more 360’s and PS3’s out there than the new systems. They’re going to be missing out on a very high number of potential sales. What a daft decision. At least it saves me $80 bucks. oontz “What a daft decision.” It’s not a daft decision if it means they (rocksteady) can fully realize their true vision for the game/gameplay, and not cut corners or shoehorn it to work on 8 year old hardware. FlashFan207 We’ll see… Xavier Lopez Chabelo Still, they are going to sell tons of copies without Wii U support Vriska Serket Are you SURE, rocksteady? Are you A8SOLUTELY SURE that the reason isn’t sales? oontz Pretty sure it’s a technical thing, it’s also not going to the ps3/xb360 which combined have an install base of over 150+ million units. JeanPaul This is obviously BS. They shouldn’t be making excuses. Batman isn’t coming on WiiU because the last one sold horribly. It’s the fault of WiiU owners anyway. I don’t know why they feel the need to lie when it’s not their fault. thedeciderU it’s definitely bs, but i’m not sure it’s the fault of wiiu owners. from every review i watched and read, arkham origins was a fucking mess. i could have bought and played it on four platforms, but instead i chose to stay away from broken, unfinished games that the devs/publishers publicly admitted they refuse to fix. i don’t think arkham city sold well either, but the game had already been out for a whole year when it was ported to wiiu. J_Joestar the last one was a pretty gimped product with multiplayer and DLC being withheld. thedeciderU money talks and it’s popular to hate nintendo. as proven in the last generation, if a console will make a company profits, they will take the time to work with weaker specs. janco tianno Many third party games for the next generation were cancelled or will not be released for Wii U, But honestly, this one is the BEST EXCUSE EVER! janco tianno Usually they blame the gamepad “which is terrible, we need two thousand developers to put a map on the gamepad”, or the Wii U GPU is too weak to handle next gen graphics (which means that they have to hire 30 developers to decrease the resolution of some textures, but now…. it’s not the Gamepad or GPU…. it’s the Batmobile! DragonSilths 1 of two things happens here. Either this is complete BS and its Warner Bros fault cause of Origins…or 2, Rocksteady has made a mistake and might be losing their way. I highly, doubt the Wii U cant handle the batmobile…I mean 4 mechs that can transform in X and that game world will probably be bigger then Arkham Knight…Honestly I think its Warner Bros being a bit of a bitch… oontz It’s not the Batmobile, read the actual interview don’t just trust Ashley’s word. DragonSilths I’m not dealing with you again. oontz Don’t have to deal with me, but at least read the actual interview instead of sounding like an idiot. DragonSilths False. As the deity of this planet, Deity 004 all I say is as is and is fact. All said against is null and void. alex toschi More than a bit of a bitch… DragonSilths Mhm. Quicksilver88 This is all about money and X86, or better put WiiU lack of X86. WiiU can do sweet arcade racer like NFSMW, an open world game the size of AC4 but can’t handle next batman game? Have you people seen X? It will have a huge open world, likely bigger than GTA5 or WD and the grafx are awesome and you will be flying mechs. if WiiU had 20mil units sold it woukd get this game. The unfortunate part is Arkham City is really nice on WiiU and great gamepad features. AO was a bad and gimped port. Why do 3rd parties set themselves up for failure with Ninendo? Last point is I will be shocked if the game doesn’t come to ps360. Ps4/xb1 will have 25mil units by time this game comes out, while ps360 over 150mil. I expect a lot of ‘next gen’ to be down ported (by other teams) to ps360 thru 2015 as the demand will be there and it will be easy to do as developing for those systems is so well cooked. Plus what this will be done is unreal4……porting to unreal3 with 720p 30frames easy easy money. oontz “and the grafx are awesome” From the gameplay I have seen… no. Rinslowe Actually I have to partially disagree. Even though this footage was released to outline some of the combat mechanics more so than anything else. The visuals if you really want to notice are definitely ahead in what can be achieved on last gen consoles. But agreed it is closer to last gen in this footage than current gen. And PC of course is in another league altogether… As it would be a little hasty to assume too much from this latest clip, compared to the other vids available. I would still be inclined to wait for E3’s no doubt “certain” playable demo (?) before final judgment… oontz This is why I said… “From the gameplay I have seen” After playing well over 100 ps3 games, I have YET to see anything shown of “X” that couldn’t be done on PS3. That may very well change once the game’s out… but as for now I stick by my opinion. I do agree a PC is an entirely different beast. Rinslowe I have roughly half that amount on PS3. But I think that’s enough to qualify my opinion as more than a little right in the comment made… From all the collective footage provided (x) and considering the best of what is on offer on PS3 in open world gaming. I am yet to see a title on PS3 that would pull off what is happening in X, from the textures to the draw distance and lighting etc… So we are on opposite sides of the spectrum on this one. I started gaming on PC quite a few years ago. And by that I mean as an enthusiast, taking each component seriously. Or just a hooked chump or both… But certainly, regardless of exclusive titles and brand awareness/ loyalty etc.. Nothing now is going to stop my obsession in the cutting edge side of gaming that PC offers … oontz Having never played “X” and just by judging what I’ve seen in the 1080p clips released… I politely disagree. Again that may change when the game drops into retail, but as of right now I am not impressed with what I’ve seen. Sure it looks good, but the visuals (in my opinion) are on par with last gen games. Rinslowe I got that impression… 😉 Petri With all due respect, YouTube + 1080p does not really mean jack shit. But yes, if you concentrate outside the action, grass and other meaningless crap looks like low res sprites. But yes, YouTube clip is rarely the indication what the final product might look like. oontz With all due respect, no shit. That’s why I said what I said. jrob23 dude, it’s gameplay footage of a game that was in its infancy. Of course it looks like it could run on ps360. People act as if there is that much difference between PS3 and PS4…let alone PS3 and Wii U. They are all in the same neighborhood and will be for a bit. Maybe next year that gap will increase some but most likely most evident with PS4 The Wii U and Xbone will remain extremely close. At least not enough of a difference for any dev making a game for Xbone to claim the Wii U can’t handle it. oontz Maybe read what I wrote… before replying and looking like a tool. “People act as if there is that much difference between PS3 and PS4” Well speaking from experience (I own a PS3, PS4 and Wiiu), there is a difference between the ps3 and ps4. A noticeable difference in the visual fidelity of the games and GUI. Quicksilver88 Oh please….there is no way you are going to produce grafx as good as X on a ps360…..you are out of your mind. People with more credentials than both of us (that attended E3) have said this game looked as good as anything being shown at E3 last year. You would never see environments with this much depth of field, this size of objects and this much happening on the screen in a ps360 game. I didn’t say they were as good as ps4/xb1 game, I just said they looked sweet. Lets just wait and see until we get a finished product. Both Sony and Microsoft execs before launch expressed concerns that the new generation of consoles were not a very big leap graphically over last gen. I built a MPC out of an old HP server that has dual quad xeon, 16gb of ram and a GTX660 that would pretty much smoke a ps4/xb1. These new systems are nothing more than mid level PCs and won’t produce grafx any better than what we have seen on PCs for years…..everyone knows we have reached the point of diminishing returns on grafx and until 4K become a standard (not until next generation) the differences are not going to be that eye popping….You wait and see how many of these ‘next gen’ games come to ps360…..they will be in 720p 30fps but that’s pretty much the gap we are talking about. I don’t really give a damned about grafx as I want great games and grafx have less to do with the making of a great game than anything. One of my favorite games of last year was Mark of the Ninja which could have been done on a PS2. greengecko007 “People with more credentials than both of us (that attended E3) have said this game looked as good as anything being shown at E3 last year.” Can you provide links to people with good credentials saying this? I remember many people praising Mario Kart 8 for it’s graphics, saying that it was the best looking playable game on the floor of E3, but I remember nobody but Nintendo fans praising X’s graphics. oontz exactly… more Nintendo fanboy double speak. oontz “You wait and see how many of these ‘next gen’ games come to ps360” Developers have already started phasing those consoles out. Why do you think the new Assassin’s Creed and Batman ARE NOT coming to the ps3 and 360. This is a trend that will continue until games aren’t made for last gen anymore. It’s been this way since the start of console gaming. It’s also the same way with PC gaming… new games come out and people with older rigs have to upgrade to play them. This is how it is. GregoryTheRainMaker http://blogs.babycenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/you-look-great.gif GABRIEL GARCIA Batmobile??? Jajajajahaha What is that shit ?? Who cares about batman and mobile games I rather play ghost 😉 I will not even be buying wach dogs!!!! Bayonetta 2 welcome!!!! oontz Thanks for sharing… something. Xavier Lopez Chabelo WOW….. You are one of the fanboys that will save the Wii U… Im counting on you XD Brandon Why is it that nintendo fans get so mad when 3rd parties skip the wii u, and then they go on a rant saying how they hate that company and they wont support them anymore. Well, first of all stop crying and face the fact the reason that devs dont put there games on wii u is because no wii u owner is going to buy it. Now that games are going to be be more powerful, devs dont want to cut down on the game for the wii u. The wii u is next gen, but it cant keep up with its competion in power. Im pretty sure the batmobile is not the only reason its not coming to last gen and wii u, so stop ranting about it. Batman arkham is an amazing game series, and in my opinion much better then any mario or zelda. DJKeens Sales were no doubt the deciding factor but the issue most of us have is that they say there’s no audience for it. But the truth is we just won’t buy an incomplete game. Mass Effect 3 released at full retail alongside the trilogy on other consoles for a reduced price with some of the DLC missing. Arkham Origins released with no multiplayer and no DLC again for full retail. So far the reason I see for the lack of sales is because they gimp the Wii U version. These exclusions were certainly not due to the capabilities of the console but the lack of interest in putting out a quality product. You get what you put into it and these developers (it’s the publishers IMHO) are phoning it in when it comes to the Wii U version so the results should be no surprise to them. When I see a full and complete, perhaps superior version of a game on Wii U tank, then I’ll be more receptive to their plight. jrob23 another Danielle upvote lol. This example is not the same as some of the others. I would not boycott them for this decision. But I have boycotted EA and Ubi for their actions. Different degrees of doucheness really Petri Well, to be fair, WB would deserve a boycott, only because of the remarks made around Arkham Origins, no bug or glitch fixes in favor of DLC…. Only crime Ubisoft is guilty of, is hypocrisy. EA deserves all the crap it can get. DJKeens Project CARS appears to be doing fine yet the bat mobile won’t work? My eyebrow is getting tired from all these excuses. oontz Let me know when I can get out my car in “project cars” and explore the massive full 3d rendered race grounds on foot, fighting massive groups of thugs. A racing game is nothing compared to a living breathing open 3d world. DJKeens And none of the batman games are living breathing worlds from what I’ve played. GTA has been done on weaker consoles and Watch dogs is on the way so I don’t see the issue. As for “massive groups of thugs”, it’s been done before. Brandon But batman arkham is much different from gta and watch dogs. The game has to render the huge detailed world with the cars, thugs, and effects. Not to mention you can jump out in glide at anytime. Unless you would take a inferior version thats what the wii u would have gotten. jrob23 you don’t know that. nobody has said that and it is pure speculation. Don’t be a sheep Brandon Do not know what? oontz Um rocksteady said that, there are more articles, and interviews (even previews) than what’s on wiiudaily. Research is your friend! oontz None of that changes your piss poor comparison of a racing game with a static environment and cut out spectators to a 3d world that is explorable and interactive. DJKeens Wow angry much? The statement was in regard to a sense of speed. And considering racing games accomplish that quite well it’s a valid comparison. Jrob explains perfectly how the marriage of the two genres could work. To assume that development techniques from a different genre of game couldn’t possibly apply to this game shows that you really aren’t looking for valid reasons how this could or couldn’t work. If anything, they should be a starting point. Why you’re so adamantly convinced that the so called level of detail that has already been accomplished in past games cannot work on Wii U, I’ll never know. Developers have been doing great things with much less for years. It sounds like you’re looking to start an argument more than anything so I’ll bow out and you have a great day my friend. oontz “The statement was in regard to a sense of speed. And considering racing games accomplish that quite well it’s a valid comparison.” *facepalm* a race game has no other assets to worry about except for cars and a static track and background, maybe some minor particle effects of dirt and weather. It isn’t even close to the same thing as having an open living 3d world. Sorry your comparison isn’t logical and for anyone who understands game development and resources/assets… It makes you look stupid. Just because there are cars in both doesn’t mean they’re the same game. DJKeens Actually your disregard for the development assets utilized for these kind of games ignores the true resource requirement in these types of games. If resources were truly so minuscule, racing games would look much better than they do. No amount of ignorant facepalms will ignore the fact that on screen resource utilization no matter the game will affect the final outcome be it open world or racing. Intelligent use of resources will alleviate most issues however publishers will not allow such excursions. You can throw insults but the simple fact remains that the game as stated is possible on the system. This whole argument boils down to money not capabilities. If you think otherwise please facepalm for me. I haven’t the interest to do it for you. oontz “This whole argument boils down to money not capabilities.” If it was about money, and this is a BIG IF… Rocksteady would be more than happy to bring this title (albeit watered down) to the ps3/360. As those two systems have a combined install base of +150million units, which would mean easy money. This isn’t about money, or them being lazy as many Nintendrones would like to believe. DJKeens Now that is a valid point. However, the racing game comparison still stands. The “Nintendrones” comment is invalid as money has been a driving issue with third party releases. You probably ignore the fact as well that previous third party entries are no where near the quality of their competing counterparts. While I understand that money will guide releases where it can be made, the laziness, or rather restrictions IMHO, have limited the possibility of anything close to reasonable sales. For a developer to say that “the decision was made for them” tells me “no money, no way”. You’re ignoring the glaring issue here for no other reason than to argue I assume since it’s a nintendo site and you are basically attacking people left and right. oontz You should never assume. Keronos shut the fuck up, you are not proving anything. quit pretending you know your shit! oontz Sensitive much? jrob23 but once you get out of the car and walk around..the batmobile excuse goes away oontz I was pointing out the flaws in his simple minded comparison of a static racing game and an interactive open 3d world. jrob23 I think his point was that when you are in the batmobile it is a static experience just like with any racing game. It isn’t until you leave the car that all the extra comes into play. But the Wii U has already proven it can handle all that extra. So it can handle the racing/driving…and the open world environment. What’s the problem? I highly doubt, like you are implying, that while you are cruising along in the batmobile you will have all this 3d world going on at the same time. It will be like all the other games like that…cut scenes or very limited AI The PS4 and Xbone aren’t that powerful, people need to get over that oontz Rocksteady has already stated the world offers a level of destruction that can be caused by the batmobile. Nothing like a static racegame, making lap aound a track. jrob23 if the Wii U can handle Watchdogs I think it can handle this no problem. Petri Doesn’t NFS Most Wanted offer that too. Unless they mean Battlefield kind of destruction, I doubt it will be any more complex than bashing billboards. And as Batman takes that “never kill” approach, doubt vehicular combat will be anything stellar. My guess is this is just them trying to swing a virtual slong around and claiming “next gen experience”. But guess we’ll have to wait and see oontz From what rocksteady has been describing, yes battlefield style destruction. Petri And how does that fit with Batman? Since when has Batman been about property damage? And would not even make sense, when Batman goes to extreme lengths to preserve life. oontz Think about the tumbler… smashing through walls and making new paths where ones don’t exist. They even mention it right in the interview. If you want to crash off the bridge you can. It’s like a tank. wiimenonowiiu Well i would have bought this game no wii u no batmobile for me Kristian Kouvo Bull*coughs*hit! — If they can do Project CARS to Wii U, a Batmobile is nothing. oontz You realize there is a difference between a static racing sim, and an open world 3d action adventure game right? Unless you also feel that candy crush and sm3dw are the same thing because they are both colorful. Kristian Kouvo Project CARS are full of details and has lots of stuff to run simultaneously. Batmobile is one car, detailed yes maybe, needs to run fast, yes. Still that’s just programming. No reason to skip Wii U. oontz Wait… you’ve played project cars on wiiu?!? Are you some sort of reporter, reviewer? Dan “Tecnhical limitations are why we decided to not bring Batman Arkham Knight to Wii U.” Translation: Wii U isn’t selling, PS4 and Xbox One are, so no Wii U version because we’re greedy and lazy bastards. jrob23 to a point. The Xone is selling well either. But its so similar to the PS4 that programming is super easy. Devs are taking the path of least resistance and what makes the most sense regarding money. Petri And I’m not much for conspiracy theories, but my guess is MS will pay to get the games one way or another. Nintendo (think it was straight from Iwata?) has stated that paying for 3rd party support (that is not exclusive) is not what Nintendo does. Kind of agree and disagree with that. matt Dan please stop trying the wiiu is prob when unlocked much more powerful then ps4……… oontz Yeah every developer that chooses not to bring a title to the wiiu is just lazy. Stupid lazy developers. How dare they. Patrick Francis I only own a Wii U, but this makes sense. If the Wii U isn’t powerful enough to render the city when driving fast in the BatMobile then it simply can’t handle the game therefor cannot be made for that console. WhataShame I’ll have to wager a guess that you haven’t play Need for Speed on the Wii U… or you kind of wouldn’t have just said that. Open world, sandbox gameplay, super fast, beautiful, best version of all of the released versions… including a very detailed urban environment complete with intricate freeway exchanges/ramps/overpasses. Bat Mobile can’t go fast in the city? That’s either the developer’s issue, or a complete lie because they don’t have the balls to be honest about their companies willingness to financially commit to Wii U development. Also, it’s worth mentioning that the whole ‘underpowered Wii U’ crap has been blow out of the water by honest, candid developers and others who did unbiased research into the hardware, since Nintendo won’t talk numbers. oontz You sound sad. WhataShame Well, now I know what time of night the trolls come out. I don’t see where any of my words deliver a ‘sad’ vibe, but most certainly trolling people is a very sad act. I think you’re lonely and projecting. Be gone troll. oontz I am not a troll, nor am I sad. You however DO come off as sad. Get out there and live a little. Don’t take it personally that games aren’t coming to wiiu. It’s not your fault. WhataShame Heh. If only you knew. I can confidently say I’ve probably seen more of the world and lived FAR more than you gave, based on what I know of myself alone. I’m a multi-system gamer who’s just tired of the brainless, fact-less, moronic Wii U bashing that is fashionable these days and born of ignorance. I like a good system war. It brings out the best in everyone. Certain SONY execs seem to feel the same. Keep the faith though… you may be completely wrong and mean-sprited, but at least there are a lot of fan-boys and idiots to keep you company. Bash that Wii U if it makes you feel strrrrooooong. oontz “I can confidently say I’ve probably seen more of the world and lived FAR more than you have” Never assume. Never. “I’m a multi-system gamer” Myself included, I’ve owned every system since the Atari 2600. I currently have a PS3, PS4, PSvita and Wiiu. I also game on mobile platforms, PC and in Arcades. “you may be completely wrong and mean-sprited, but at least there are a lot of fan-boys and idiots to keep you company.” I am not a fanboy, nor an idiot. Just someone who has loved this industry for the past 35 years. I don’t have time for fanboys, regardless of their platform of choice. “Bash that Wii U if it makes you feel strrrrooooong.” I am not bashing the wiiu, I own a wiiu. I have been a Nintendo day one console buyer since the NES. I also hold them in a higher standard and expect more from them. So far this generation they have not delivered on their promises. WhataShame ‘Never assume. Never.’ Funny, because all you’ve done is assume things about me since you started commenting. And done nothing but attack, be rude and name-call. ‘Myself included, I’ve owned every system since the Atari 2600. I currently have a PS3, PS4, PSvita and Wiiu. I also game on mobile platforms, PC and in Arcades.’ I am the same, although I haven’t gamed much on a PC since I used to make games as a kid on the Apple II and Commodore 64 (Graphing paper in my friend). Just not my thing. I dabble when at friends, and may build a system for the living room eventually, but I love my console gaming. I mourn the death of the North American arcade. I will not buy a XBOX One, and my PS4 purchase will be driven by content: when the games I want are there, it’s go time. ‘I am not a fanboy, nor an idiot. Just someone who has loved this industry for the past 35 years. I don’t have time for fanboys, regardless of their platform of choice.’ Same here, although you seem to enjoy calling others like myself idiots. ‘I am not bashing the wiiu, I own a wiiu. I have been a Nintendo day one console buyer since the NES. I also hold them in a higher standard and expect more from them. So far this generation they have not delivered on their promises.’ It comes off as bashing… very much so. And oddly I was always a SEGA man, but I love Nintendo as well. Most of their issues this generation have revolved around messaging and marketing in general… starting with the naming of the system (if you want to expand you audience into the ‘hardcore’, and at the same time avoid any chance of a muddy branding and consumer confusion, you don’t use the Wii name. Period. And give the system a more distinct appearance). I think the system itself is fine, love the gamepad and the first-party games have been wonderful. WhataShame Also, check out project cars and then think about the mountain of b.s. that just dropped from that reps mouth. oontz Project cars is a static racing game with invisible walls. Not an open world 3 rd person action game. Now who is the one talking bs? WhataShame Static. Racing game. You argument is invalid. Right out of the gate. And to answer your question… most definitely you. Wow. I think you actually may have made me dumber for reading this words. Invisible walls? Be honest. You live somewhere that pot has been legalized, don’t you? oontz static: adjective 1. lacking in movement, action, or change. Yes, Racing games are static, static backgrounds, static buildings, static bleachers, static crowds, static billboards, The actual level size of a race track, compared to an open world game isn’t even close, and yes invisible walls exist in racing games. The non static elements are when the car pivots left to right, and up and down, but it always stays in the middle/centre and the entire track rotates according to the programmed position of the car. Last time I checked I could not get out of my car and walk around and explore/interact with the racetrack grounds, and spectators. WhataShame I’ll give you points for trying, but your weak attempt at massaging semantics to fit your erroneous perception of racing games is… well, just wow. Good day, Mr. Troll. oontz Look Dale you seem like a pretty cool guy from your facebook page… why the need to come on here and try and be egotistical and bullish? Does it make you feel better to belittle other people around the world that you don’t personally know? Billions of people have opinions, opinions that differ from mine and yours. Suck it up mate. Play games to enjoy playing games. No need to power trip. We have enough people on this site that do that already… Don’t become a statistic Dale. WhataShame And…. stalker. oontz And… don’t add a facebook link to your profile if you don’t want people to click it. It’s not stalking… that’d be kinda weird, no?. Cody McKrell What the hell is wrong with you people? Is it that difficult to realize, acknowledge and understand that the wiiu is just simply incapable of keeping up with machines comprised of obviously superior and more expensive hardware? I mean, you dont have to look any further than the games that actually look good on wiiu in comparison to the games that look good on pc, xb1 and ps4 to see what the issue is here. Nintendos problem is that in addition to having a weaker machine to start with, they have one thats not selling well and next to nothing on offer now or in the near future thatll change that. WhataShame Need for Speed, Project Cars… This dude is full of crap, and it’s sad to see people believing it. I partly blame Nintendo, because they won’t talk numbers with the Wii U (It’s been their policy for a long time) and that’s fed the b.s. and rumors. The whole ‘underpowered Wii U’ crap has been blow out of the water by honest, candid developers and others who did unbiased research into the hardware, since Nintendo won’t talk numbers. yeah ugh, do you really think that a 300$ machine is as good as a 400$ one? Just look at the price, you’ll definitely notice a difference, and this difference comes down to the components in the consoles. Factor in that the gamepad costs 100$ and you have a 200$ difference between the two machines (wiiU and PS4) There is no way, just from a price standpoint, that the WiiU is as powerful as the PS4. WhataShame Wait… so your argument – out of all possible arguments that could be made – is the price of a system? You probably shouldn’t say anything else. Just, stop… quit while you’re behind. That was just… wow. And the best part is, I never made the comparison… I merely addressed the misinformation of the first post… that somehow the system is to blame. That horse has been flogged to a pulp and it’s the same tired and disproven argument that anyone that doesn’t want to make any effort in a discussion drags out. I’m not saying the Wii U has the same capabilities as the PS4, what I’m saying is that it’s a hell of a lot more powerful than everyone though as little as several months ago. But now we’re getting a little bit better idea of what’s under the hood, and it’s not some second-rate system. A system that is perfectly capable of handling a high-speed vehicular level with plenty of buildings, etc. And while it’s not a realistic art style, look at Sonic All-Stars. It’s beautiful… and again, easily the best version of the game. And it’s got A LOT going on, including combat. The bottom line is that there are developers and publishers who don’t want to devote resources to making games the right way on the Wii U. They have many public excuses, but the bottom line is that it’s all about THEIR bottom line. Which is fine. I’m just sick of the system bashing and the people lazy enough to accept it as the only truth instead of doing their own research and check multiple sources. But seriously… worst argument ever. Price point? Dude… yeah When the price directly correlates to the feature set of the item, then yes it’s fully relevant to the discussion on why Batman Arkham Knight won’t be on the WiiU. Certainly, the WiiU is stronger than many would lead to believe, but the dev in this case never belittled it’s power. They just said that the WiiU doesn’t enable their vision for the game. Here’s what I really think about this article and the comments herein. “It’s disappointing to read these comments. What a lot of you have to realize is that this game isn’t only for you, but for the people developing it, for the people creating it, imagining it. It’s their game too. If their vision for the game has it running at 60 fps, 1080p, with anti-aliasing so that curves look real smooth, to have nice light details, dynamic shadows etc, then that’s their vision. Why dumb down their vision to make it work on ‘x’ platform when there are platforms that can achieve what they want? It’s their game as much as it is the consumers, and they’re the ones who will be remembered for creating such a game, so it has to live up to their standards. If their standards necessitate more power than the WiiU can afford, then too bad for the WiiU. They’re making the game they want to make, how they want to make it. You can’t blame them for that. If someone wants to create a game where you need a touchscreen, gyro controls, and motion controls, do you think they’ll develop for the Ps4/Xbox One? No, they won’t, because it doesn’t fit into their vision for their game. Let’s get real people, stop diluting yourselves into thinking it’s all about what you want. People choose a career in game development because they like gaming just as much as you. They make games for themselves, and hopefully that sells so they can continue doing it.” This is what I posted earlier. WhataShame The conversation was about the feature that supposedly made the decision for them, that being the use of the Bat Mobile in the game. There is nothing in any of their previous games that couldn’t be done on the Wii U and done better if they had built it completely from the ground up for the system. Adding vehicular combat or whatever role the Bat mobile is going to have couldn’t possibly put the game out of reach for the Wii U. Watchdogs is getting a Wii U build for crap’s sake. And price point doesn’t have direct correlation with feature sets. Price point is about so many things, but to say that one thing is better that another because of price is ludicrous. The Wii U launched at $350, btw… and it was the first time Nintendo had taken a loss on a system in recent memory… maybe ever. So does that make the PS4 $50 better? Or $100 better with the price drop? See how ridiculous that sounds? And feature-wise, the Wii U has far greater control options, backwards compatibility and as you pointed out, many control input options including touch screen. A far richer and more varied feature set, along with beautiful graphics… Given the gameplay that has gone before, I can’t see for one minute how ANYTHING they put into the game at this point would break their ‘vision’. It’s a load of crap and code for ‘We don’t see it as a sound investment, but we can’t come out and say that… just in case we DO want to make something for a Nintendo system’. And what current system has been having trouble doing 60fps, 1080p? I’ll give you a hint: NOT Wii U. Also, scaling graphics for any system is not ‘dumbing down’ a game. If the gameplay remains unbroken, then you have to be a graphics whore to whine about something so surface and cosmetic. Removing features, changing gameplay significantly… that’s dumbing a game down. Eye candy is simply eye candy. If a game’s technical issues break it, that’s different: Drawn distance, hugely broken frame-rates… but to believe for an instant that a great team of developers dedicated to building an engine from the ground up couldn’t make nearly ANY game out there on other systems work on the Wii U is silly. Take a look at the footage of ‘X’ so far. And was still deep in development. I’ll be picking up a PS4 when there are games worth buying… and rpgs. I don’t dislike the system, nor do I think the Wii U is it’s technical equal. But it doesn’t have to be at this stage in console tech. It’s still capable of amazing graphics and gameplay. All for $100 less. Not that much of a difference for $50 to $100, depending what price you go by. oontz If you were a famous movie director and created an amazing, visually stunning movie… Would you want a studio to release it on VHS or bluray? If it was really about money don’t you think they would make a watered down port for ps3/360? It doesn’t seem to be about money. WhataShame It’s completely about money. It doesn’t matter what the installed base is once the next gen launches. It wouldn’t sell if it were a watered down port, and sub-contracting developers to do the ports wouldn’t be worth it to them. It’s not just developing the game, it’s marketing and publishing it. And it’s not worth it to them. Just as it’s not worth it to do a proper Wii U version with all of the costs involved, nor is it worth doing a half-assed port, because a port would sell even worse and play for crap. oontz ” It’s not just developing the game, it’s marketing and publishing it.” Thank you for you insight. I had no idea that games didn’t market and publish themselves. WhataShame I genuinely believe that. You have demonstrated as much. oontz Sarcasm is a lost art. Daniel Gonzalez Fanboys usually don’t detect that all too often. Lost art indeed. Speaking of fanboys, I wonder where Davey Boy has been? I’ve been expecting a few “Wii U>PS4” comments. J_Joestar Well if it is legitimately unable to run on a Wii U i understand, but the new Gotham better make GTAV look like GTA3. Angelo G What?? palomino blue They never say that the Wii U couldn’t handle it. It sounds more like they never gave it a fair chance. J_Joestar probably the cost of porting/optimizing it would have been higher than their publishers expected they could get back, sort of like Origins DLC. WhataShame Once again, why in hell can’t these sacks of crap be honest. I get it if you don’t feel as though you can make enough money to support making the port… I really do, and I’m OK with that… but stop with the lies and the Wii U bashing. He’s so full of crap, he can’t even talk AROUND the question believably, much less answer it directly. Look, we’ve all heard from a multitude of sources that the Wii U is a misunderstood powerhouse that Nintendo won’t come clean about. It’s got the chops and in the right hands we’ve seen that demonstrated. We’ve also seen how amazing the Need for Speed game was (seriously the best version of the game, in every way), with untempered, unchanged physics, beautiful visuals, solid frame-rate and a blazing, hiccup-free sense of speed… even in a fully realized urban evironment with weather and time changes. So the ‘We can’t make the Bat-mobile go past 25’ excuse is a crock of crap. So if you’re a developer/publisher and you don’t think you can invest in making a Wii U game, fine. Just say so… or see if your game is good or original enough to partner with Nintendo for publishing or marketing. But quit being dishonest pricks about it. Damaging the Wii U’s rep while it’s down (and perpetuating lies) is douchebaggery at it’s finest. AND if your team isn’t up to the challenge, then you are even bigger douche bags. Don’t. Be. Dicks. jrob23 awesome post. the truth! The Batman The real reason is because City and Origins sold poorly on Wii U, so that’s why you’re not getting Knight. oontz If it was about money don’t you think it would be coming to ps3/360 seeing as they have a combined install base of +150 million units. It’s not about financial reasons. They seem to have a specific vision for the game and don’t feel they can realize that vision on wiiu/ps3/360. WhataShame That is PR bull… and you should be compensated for regurgitating it. ‘Vision’? Yeeeeah… It’s another Batman game. With the Batmobile. Which has been done. Even on the Sega CD (The redeeming part of that batman game: Driving and Batboat levels). There is nothing, short of not wanting to invest the money and resources, that could keep them from realizing their ‘vision’ (trying to keep a straight face) on the Wii U. There isn’t any game on any system right now that couldn’t be done on the Wii U if it were build for the ground up for the system and the team didn’t have it’s hands tied/limited resources. If anything, it would be akin to turning off some of the super high-end effects when playing a PC game. oontz “There isn’t any game on any system right now that couldn’t be done on the Wii U if it were build for the ground up for the system and the team didn’t have it’s hands tied/limited resources.” Now I know you’re an idiot. WhataShame And now I know for sure you are a troll without a clue, a reasonably defensible argument or any idea what makes games tick. You can call me an idiot if you wish, but you just destroyed any credibility or chance at making a point you had. All you have is name-calling, and nothing to back it up. I’m done acknowledging your existence… much like the rest of the world. oontz That’s okay Dale… continue on with your bad self. Life’s too short to get upset about video games… let alone posts made by people on an online message board. Hope you find what ever it is you’re looking for. Nintendoro Another funny excuse to avoid Wii U. What’s next then – “Wii U is not the right color to port a game”? Møhåmmęd Jårmøn I smell BS! wii u is awsome I SENCE THE SMELL OF BULLSHIT p.s im getting a ps4 for its exclusives and keeping my wii u as a primary console and NO i didnt put it wrong way round Quintin I understand that the wii u is lacking in power for some of these games, but it doest mean that the third party developers cannot make some slight adjustments to the games to satisfy nintendo fans or any other console that is being deprived of awesome games like these Rodger_Ramjet Hahahaha the excuses just keep coming and are more pathetic than ever. I thought the BS from EA were bad enough, but now this … Hahaha totally lame! It doesn’t bother me any more though. WiiU is still awesome and the games made for it trump anything on any other platform. All I can say is … No great loss ENDOT123 bullshit. why cant they just tell the truth? oontz They did. ENDOT123 Don’t be so naive. They just bullshitting because they no its not worth putting it on Wii u because they know they won’t make enough money off it. They just don’t want to let us know its all about the money. oontz “They just don’t want to let us know its all about the money.” It’s also not coming to the ps3/360 which have a combined install base of +150 million units. ENDOT123 Yes but its a next gen game.. Wii u is next gen and is capable of a lot more that ps3/360. Its just the same bullshit every other developer is giving us.. I don’t even own a Wii u anymore for this exact reason. I love it to death but no games I want = no point having one right now. oontz ” Wii u is next gen and is capable of a lot more that ps3/360″ It’s capable of more, but not a lot. At least from what I have seen and played so far. ENDOT123 Can honestly say the same about ps4/Xbox one.. Not one game screams “next gen” not cod, not bf , not Fifa , not final fantasy , not all the last gen ports, not all the 30fps games that are being given to us. So really if where is the real “NEXT GEN” I had 1000x more fun on my Wii u than I have on my ps4. That’s why I have gone back to playing ps3 now.. Next gen can wait. I might pick up a Wii u again sometime in the near future though… Mario kart looks so good. oontz ” I had 1000x more fun on my Wii u than I have on my ps4.” That’s sad. I feel bad for you. I am loving my ps4, and when a good game comes to wiiu I buy it and enjoy it too. But my always on machine is the ps4. ENDOT123 Each to their own I guess. my ps3 satisfies me perfectly well.. I have no need for an expensive paper weight just yet. When all these delayed ps4 games finally come out, that’s when I’ll pick one up again. oontz “I have no need for an expensive paper weight just yet” If you can’t find enjoyment playing games on your ps4, then you’re using it wrong. WellWisher I guess if it was just about the money they would be making it for PS360 too. I’m very curious to see what these ‘next gen’ gameplay mechanics are that simply can’t be done with less processing power. I really thought every gameplay mechanic was possible with the last generation. David Lein Lol why can’t they just state the obvious ? Wii u does not sell oontz If it was only about sales then it would be coming to ps3/360 as well. It’s not about sales. They have a vision for their game and that vision isn’t possible on the lower spec systems David Lein You have a valid point for Xbox360 and PS3, but notice they are also getting Watchdogs much earlier than the Wii U. Maybe Arkham for those two systems are a “graphics issue”. For the Wii U, it is hard to ignore the fact it’s a sales issue. I don’t even think the sales for Mass Effect 3, CoD, Deus X, Arkham Origins, Splinter Cell, and Arkham City are equivalent to Titanfall. In the end, it’s pretty obvious if you are developer you wouldn’t waste time on the Wii U. Apparently, Consumers feel the same way. This time it’s REAL bad cause Nintendo traditionally would release a FP game to plug up holes when the ship is about to sink. This time Pikmin 3 and Super MArio 3D World and Donkey Kong Country hasn’t saved them. FYI, a traditional hard hitter MarioKart, isn’t even cutting the mustard either. I agree Xbox360 and PS3 do have a graphics issue, but it’s as clear as day that the Wii U is only second fiddle to Virtua Boy as the biggest stinker they put out. The game probably wouldn’t look as nice, but in the end it isn’t worth pushing any games out for the Wii U. As Bayonetta 2 and X will inevitably bomb despite whatever ratings they get. oontz You are preaching to the choir. David Lein In all, to make games it really is all about how many units get moved. I think that will be paramount for high budget games. I think you are seeing more confidence in 2 out of 3 consoles for the current generation where there wont’ be versions for the PS3 and Xbox360. The company probably thinks that PS4 and Xbox1 can carry the load. It speaks for itself. Yeah the Batman game will sell 200,000 copies at best in a half year span. Why bother when the the PS4 version and Xbox one version will surpass that mark by at least 70,000 on opening day and if it looks masterful, it could even double that. The Wii U is the biggest stinker Nintendo has put out next to the Virtuaboy. If the Wii U were a low powered system which sold very well, the creators of the game would probably push hard, but it’s hard to push for Wii U when TitanFall in America alone has already Eclipse Mario 3D World’s US total in a SINGLE DAY and that’s a FLAG SHIP Nintendo Game which shows that Nintendo can’t clog up the leaks with First Parties like it did to keep a “respectable” gap with a Sony product like the mid 1990s. Any game developer which has a high budget has to be wary of making games a Nintendo exclusive, and with the state of Wii U, I don’t think Developers are going to act like they’ve lost out without a Wii U port. kayodoc LOL, the batmobile is too high tech for us weakling WiiU players. OH NOES. Load of BS I say. iamserious Unrelated but: So I guess freaking Nintendo is going with a Direct again for E3!!! Damn it. smashbrolink Nothing of that sort has been announced. Cobra The Batmobile runs perfectly fine in my copy of Batman for the C64… springer85 If Nintendo goes for another lame Direct for E3 then they are finished!! Last years was a total joke and made them look hilarious! If they do it again it just proves like last year that NOTHING is ready. How dumb are Nintendo?So they are going to miss out on a classic Miyamoto Zelda reveal on stage in favour of Directs? No 3rd party, no Wii U games till end of May and then Nintendo wonder why the Wii U is not selling? springer85 LOL at the Nintendo fans crying about 3rd party games. Nintendo fans are to blame!!!You cry for 3rd party, Ubisoft gives you games and then you do not even buy them! Wonderful 101 bombed, Rayman bombed, Zombie U bombed and then you cry when Ubisoft says Watch Dogs will be delayed? If Nintendo wanted more 3rd party then they should have made a much more powerful console, they once again thought they could get away with a less inferior machine twice!The Wii was a fluke as the Wii U has proved! Developers now only care about power and how much money they can make from games. PS4 has already over took Wii U life time sales in ONLY 4 months and Xbox One is creeping up. for 14 months 3rd party games have not sold on the Wii U, so why would any 3rd party even try when they will not make no money for their effort? Nintendo have so much money yet they still prefer to make the rehash Mario games instead of actually buying new studios to make brand new games? Seriously QOL is the worst idea ever.How will QOL help Nintendo sell Wii U’S? QOL was just a load of mumbo jumbo by Iwata just to try and keep investors happy by saying that they are working on something new. Instead of the lame QOL Nintendo should have scrapped the Gamepad and bundled a pro controller and a game for $150 and it would sell like hot cakes! In over 14 months STILL ZERO games from Nintendo that fully utilize the Gamepad and show off what it can do. The fact that DKTF did not even use it a total joke, and proves that Nintendo do not even know what to do with it so why would 3rd party? Reggie bragged last Xmas that in 2014 the Wii U would not have a games drought..LOL Jan NOTHING,Feb DKTF, March NOTHING, April NOTHING, MK8 at the end of May!HA Nintendo need to fire and Reggie as the Wii U will not even sell 15 Million lifetime! How ironic that what Patcher said was 100 percent true! David Lein Exactly it was the way with Gamecube too. Resident Evil 4 sold so badly that it was no longer a Nintendo Exclusive. Baiten Kaitos and Tales of Symphonia didn’t make money. Eternal Darkness is probably worst selling good game of all time. Oh yeah at the end, they’ll cry, “We don’t get any third parties”. Give me a break. Keronos except the gamecube was actually the strongest of that gen. David Lein You are preaching to the fire. I love the gamecube . I owned a ps2 and a gc. It is a travesty that the gamecube sold the worst. I am tired of hearing this whole Nintendo has no games garbage. They have games. 1000 bucks says X and bayonetta get reviews but don’t move systems off the shelf then we hear ” dur well I wish Nintendo had games. Sony has more let’s play Cod ” the market is just turned off by the name Nintendo Keronos so much delusion… do you hail from neogaf or something? because you are beyond fucktard…casual scum Christopher Acuna /facepalm D-Man Maybe if Nintendo had made the Wii U with REAL next gen specs, it would get more support. I would rather have a superior game on a next-gen console than a washed-down game on a current gen console. I like the Wii U, but it has flaws, some of them big. Petri What are these “REAL next gen specs” you speak of? Primary reason why Wii U support is next to none, is the slow movement of consoles. We can see it with Xbone too, its not going as fast as PS4, and devs are already slinging hits on it. But the only real difference here is, Nintendo is not lubing up developers and publishers with money. Even though x86 is not the most optimal architecture, it does allow almost copy paste development across 3 platforms, that is something Nintendo should consider with their next console. D-Man If the Wii U had “REAL” next gen specs, it could run all the next-gen games perfectly. In a few years when games will be using the full potential of the systems, how can the Wii U run them? Out of the 2 GB, only a GB is dedicated for the actual game. And the CPU is weak, and the GPU is ok. And no HDD, which sucks because then you wouldn’t be able to store many digital games on it. And if the PS4 is that powerful for only $399, then the Wii U has no excuse not to. I may sound like a hater, but it’s disappointing when you’ve been following news about this since March 2011, and you get your hopes up high (because it’s Nintendo! :D). I’m watching the Wizard movie as I write this. At the mario 3 part. It’s sad to see the Wii U be neglected so badly for so long. But most of it is on Nintendo. Petri My guess is that you understand about technology as much as the next fanboy. Ppc and x86 are not straight comparisons. As are not their usage of ram. X86 eats ram like a motherducker. 8 cores don’t really mean anything, if developers can’t or won’t use them. 8 cores and 8gb is just a sales pitch for consumer mass and stupid fanboys. Ps4 and xbone has a heavy os designed for multitasking, while Wii u has a lighter. I don’t have much understanding about ppc, like 99% of the gamers. But it feels like it is not given a fair change. Only real weaknesses Wii u has, would be in graphics processing and lacking the ability to install games. I don’t think you could run really heavy game with just a spinner and 1gb install. But I’d just wait and see how they will utilize the Wii u. Zelda might be a heavy game from Nintendo to showcase the capabilities. But in the end neither of the consoles really impress me, and I guess we will see the new consoles in 5 years tops. This Gen feels like a middle phase. D-Man I have both playstation and nintendo consoles and love them equally, so i wouldn’t consider myself a fanboy. But think about in a few years when games will be more advanced and require a lot more power to run. The Wii U needs to be playing with power! (see what i did there?) Petri Nintendo will be out with their next console, before we see developers programming games that truly utilize PS4. But what I hear of, PS4 only has 3 to 4 cores and 3-4gb RAM for gaming. That doesn’t really make them that powerful, if thats the case. So most strength will be in multitasking (neat, but not that necessary on gaming console). Don’t think Wii U is as weak as people paint it to be, and I know PS4 is not as powerful as people paint it to be, though there is still a gap in performance, but not that huge. oontz “So most strength will be in multitasking (neat, but not that necessary on gaming console).” I multitask all the time on ps4… At the click of the home button I can create chat parties, message friends, download new content, share video, all while waiting for a new match to start in battlefield 4. It’s a great os. Far exceeds what is possible on wiiu and ps3. When I use my wiiu os afterwards it feels sluggish and non intuitive. Petri Yes, that’s why I said that it’s a neat feature. But that still does not mean it’s necessary, and light os can save some performance for gaming. Depends how Wii U and Nintendo ‘s next console turns out, this catching up might play for their advantage, or it might bite them in the ass. We are starting to be in the point where we are in the limits, and next consoles might have no performance difference at all. Though Nintendo needs to go x86 next Gen, or start paying for those multiplats. oontz “We are starting to be in the point where we are in the limits, and next consoles might have no performance difference at all.” Not so sure about that… with the announcement of project morpheus. Gaming may be headed in an all new direction. Petri That does not really have anything to do with limits of central processing unit. That is just another way to bring picture and additional control. And it will face the same difficulties as 3d. With limits I meant what fanboys refer as “power”. But the roof of technology, limits of man and affordability is creeping up on us. CPUs has been stagnant for some time now, and ghz is no longer the indication of superiority/power. Recently they have been adding cores because of that, But I hear programming for multiple cores is a bitch. Maybe that is why games more and more rely on gpu instead of cpu. On gpu front they seem to have ran against the wall as well. Concentration seems to be lifting to driver and API optimization. Plus sooner or later we will not be able to notice difference, If designing games like that ever comes affordable. Since the industry is too stubborn to stay with same old (what they know is affordable ), there is not too much work going on researching if there would be better ways. Tadek Boruta Well no. It’s the opposite. Wii U strength is the graphics processing and weakness is cpu. On the other hand PS4 and X1 rely mostly on cpu power. That’s why we won’t be seeing good port’s on Wii U because it takes to much effort to port a game on such different architecture. Petri Yes, they are different architecture, and that is the major weakness for Nintendo. But gaming has moved in a direction where GPU takes most of the work. Think that was the case with PS4 and xbone as well. Last generation consoles relied on heavy CPU usage. smashbrolink Specs, graphics, and opinions have never, not once, defined what a generation is. Sequence does. By definition, whether the specs are the same as the others or not, it IS a next-gen console. D-Man The games do, and the Wii U isn’t getting any. If it had better specs, it could run the games, and that way, there’d be no excuse not to put it on there. Fuzunga I’ve heard a lot of stupid excuses, but this has to be he all time worst. oontz It’s not an excuse, it’s a reason. smashbrolink A stupid reason is no better than an excuse. oontz if your opinion is that it’s stupid, cool. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s not an excuse. smashbrolink And how on earth is it not an excuse when they could in all likelihood make the game work on the Wii U if they weren’t focused so damned much on graphics? You can say its not an excuse all you like, but they’ve yet to show us anything in past games as far as gameplay goes that cannot be controlled with the Wii U’s game pad just as easily as it can be controlled with the PS4’s and XBone’s controllers, and I sincerely doubt that they’ve suddenly come up with a new gameplay concept that only specific engines can possibly handle. This is a case of lazy developers not wanting to produce a game for the most unpopular system with the weaker graphics. Its an excuse, or if you prefer, a very stupid reason. That’s a fact, either way, plain and simple. This game COULD be on the Wii U if they weren’t so focused on the graphics and catering to the systems with the highest guaranteed return on their investment. oontz “And how on earth is it not an excuse” reason: noun 1. a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event. excuse: noun 1. a way to lessen the blame attached to a fault or offence English… use it. “catering to the systems with the highest guaranteed return on their investment.” F A I L, you DO realize it’s not coming to PS3/360 two systems guaranteed to bring them a return on their investment. It’s not about money. Or there’d be a watered down port in the pipe line. Extra Vinegary Wait, so Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii U can’t handle an open world environment with a Batmobile speeding through the city? So how did they accomplish GTA V on the consoles? FutureFox To be fair we are talking about the batmobile, a far cry from sedan speeding through the city. Petri You know there is fast sports cars in GTA games? And more I try to think about it, less appealing it becomes. From Asylum to City to Origins, the game has to get a huge transform again, to make any sense of driving a car around the city. FutureFox GTA cars aren’t armed with NASA grade computing power or mechanics. If the devs include the hookshot for the car I imagine that would take quite a lot of CPU power to calculate and handle the possible reactions from rapid hairpin turns. The physics are more involved with the Batmobile because it has more gadgets influencing it at speed. That was my only point. Petri I wouldn’t get my expectations that high. It’s cool if they can pull that off. But I do not want a Batman driving game, so the car better do other things as well, besides going fast. oontz Maybe wait till the game releases and then we will all see why it wasn’t possible on lower spec hardware. Iam-everydaygamer People all have their opinions but none are rarely right! If none of us know exactly what it costs to make a certain game none of us really know what it takes to make money on that said game. I would also be a moron if I just blamed nintendo because they just make the console and if you don’t put your time and resources into that product it will fail. I am not talking about them “saying” there putting serious effort and then not promoting their game or bringing out a game with less features and at the same price or higher(mass effect 3) and wondering why games don’t sell. OH yeah and before I forget the goofs that talk about sales and don’t really understand “attach rates” please google it!!!! 650k sold(zombi U) on with just 3 million consoles is “GOOD” !!! Did it make them money? not sure, but they did say it was low budget themselves. IAlso from the same company they sold just 2 million copies or splinter cell with 140 milion consoles …..terrible attach rate SP-937-215 I forgot that all vehicles in Wii U games are capped at 25 miles per hour. Stupid hardware limitations. TULFich Actually the architecture of the Wii U lets games perform better (1080p/60fps), except for graphics (comparing to ps4 or X1) so in resume, this are taurine feces. Commander Jim Yeah, that makes no sense… More powerful console, more performance. There is no exception. Any console can play 1080p/60fps if the visuals are lowered enough. Even the PS3 did that on occasion. David Lein Okay honestly people, what will get you to buy a Wii U or any nintendo product not called a 3DS? We know it isn’t “games” Gamecube was Nintendo’s worst system financially of all time and it had classics. THis was also a time when only more than one console was a norm. Wii U does have bad selling third parties. Wonderful 101 bombed, and I bet X and Bayonetta 2 will be critically acclaimed by also bomb too. I harbor this mentally as well that I think Nintendo just isn’t “cool” anymore specs or no specs. So honest opinion from anyone who doesn’t own a Wii U, what would get you to buy one? FutureFox (This will be long) Good questions. Perhaps Wii U daily can do a poll or write an article on the matter if not done so already. For me the backwards compatibility was a draw until I heard complaints with Wii mode. You basically have accept that games will look bad if you have a HD tv. Not a huge deal breaker but does factor into a purchase. But more importantly though I like the idea of BC (now minimized), I am also not willing to spend $300 on what has so far amounted to a Nintendo way-back machine and not a good one at that. Lacking Wii U VC games now the announcement of GBA games on the console. I’m growing older Nintendo. Wow me. Give me new games or at least decent HD remakes of the small package variety. Their digital games offerings are no match compared to the other consoles. Playing Strider (2014), Bionic Commando:Rearmed and others like it don’t exist on Wii U. Noticed these aren’t even AAA 3rd games they’re just remakes. I played the SM3DW demo and felt the character physics are really sluggish which hampered my desire to own that game. If I were to get the game I would like the graphics but will always harbor some dislike in the physics. At this point there is nothing Nintendo could do to get me to buy a Wii U. Slow games turn out make its depreciation MORE of a seller than anything tangible today or in the near future. In 5-6 years they will finally have a worth while selection of games, at a cheaper price that I would consider guilt buying. Assuming they actually get real must have titles by then. As it stands regarding the Wii U, Nintendo is too slow, unfocused and mesmerized by the world around them. Now just what will it take? Nothing short than a flash release of all of these: -Zelda U -MegaMan (originals remake) exclusive OR Might No. 9 exclusive -Super Castlevania IV exclusive HD remake OR -A new castlevania period exclusive to Wii U. -More VC N64 games -A real new HD FPS shooter; that is not a Metroid excuse for an FPS. -Monolith’s X -Unified Accounts/cross platform play of VC games between 3DS and Wii U -More JRPGs of the MistWalker, Vanillaware, Tri-Ace and Squaresoft (old developer talent like form) variety. -Legend of the Seven Stars Remake OR sequel in HD. -Any new games that take the gamepad seriously ad use it in unique and engaging ways. -Fire current marketing team! Skelterz batmobile vs project cars and mk8 im sure we can get over this no problem. GABRIEL GARCIA Hi Nintendo haters why don’t U guys show us all your hate in a race ?? U guys can be the koopalings 😉 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyusSlPf6rI Spaniard0069 This is the dumbest thing that I have read all year. Rocksteady must be a really shitty developer if they are unable to produce a batmobile level on the 360/PS3/Wii U. oontz It’s not a batmobile level, it’s the whole game. smashbrolink Except it’s not. Unless they’re talking purely graphical aspects here, there isn’t a single gameplay concept that they could pull out of their bag of tricks that the buttons on the Wii U’s controller could not handle for driving that bat-mobile. I’ll willingly put money on that, and go on record as saying that the reason they’re doing it is because they want their game to be on the two most powerful systems to squeeze every last bit of graphical sparkle out of the game that they can. Nothing more and nothing less; they’re trying to impress with LOOKS. oontz “Except it’s not.” So you CAN’T use the batmobile at any time during the entire game (other than inside buildings)? Kinda goes against what they’ve said so far about the game. “they’re trying to impress with LOOKS.” What game isn’t? Last time I checked we aren’t playing atari anymore. smashbrolink #1 Way to take my statement out of context. Please read that part again before claiming that I was trying to say anything even close to the words you just put in my mouth. #2 Bad example. Games can still look gorgeous without having to be at so high a level that they cannot realistically be done on all available home platforms, and all 3 at this time are more than capable of handling anything in terms of gameplay options. That only leaves graphics as a road-block, and that’s why I say that they’re trying to impress with looks; they’re catering to the graphics whores because that’s an easier sell. There’s no concept gameplay-wise they could think up that the Wii U’s controls could not handle, including driving around in the Bat-Mobile. oontz “There’s no concept gameplay-wise they could think up that the Wii U’s controls could not handle, including driving around in the Bat-Mobile.” It has nothing to do with the game controls. L O L Someone Cool Lmfao! Good one. Definitely an April fools joke. You would have to be a fool to believe it! David Lein Corporations have to still assume a professional demeanor.But, it’s pretty obvious. The Wii U just absolutely sucks. The numbers speak for themselves. I can name 10 Wii U ports…whether it’s DeusX, Mass Effect, Arkham City, Arkham Origins, Splinter Cell, CoD, hell even Disney Infinity, Skylanders, Assassins’ Creed, well that’s nine, but how much are you willing to bet that some PS3 versions or Xbox360 versions of those games have sold more than all 9 of those Wii U version ports combined. Perhaps the Wii U can’t handle those specs. Oh well whoopidity doo…..it’s going to sell 140,000 copies in 6 months when a PS4 or XOne version will sell 3 times that number on opening day alone. Not even Reggie, Iwata, or whichever person they parade out can deny that…. Commander Jim And that layer of dust on my Wii U just keeps getting thicker. Oh but I have more tired rehashes of ancient series like Mario Kart and Smash Bros to look forward to. Yay. ENDOT123 I don’t get the “dust” remarks.. Don’t all consoles collect dust as you never touch them anyway. An unused console would collect as much dust as a console that is being used… All they need is a wipe over now and again. Commander Jim You’re a very literal person aren’t you? ENDOT123 Yep. Andre R Arkham Knight is not coming to ps3 or 360. so how could it come to wii u? wii u is not faster. NINTEnDO what are you doing??? if wii u had a different name, little more powerful than ps4. THEN it would all be different. then everybody would like to make games on your machine… remember snes. it was the most powerful of them. then n64, most powerful. but it was then it began to go downhill for them.. they had not cd.