Last week there was a bit of controversy surrounding the announcement of a launch date for Watch Dogs. All current and last-gen systems will be receiving Watch Dogs on May 27, 2014. We knew before this announcement that the Wii U version would be delayed, but we still don’t have a solid release date. When asked about this, senior producer Dominic Guay said the Wii U version is still on, with a “possible 2014 release date.” When prodded further, Guay revealed that the reason the Wii U version of the game is taking so long is that it was given to Ubisoft Bucharest, so they could tailor the GamePad experience properly. For that reason, Ubisoft didn’t want to continually delay other platforms, so they’ll be getting the game first. This whole debacle stinks of a company that is ready to drop support for a system that just isn’t doing well, as so many others have. Third Parties are Gone, Baby Gone The first third party publisher to bow out of support for the Wii U was Electronic Arts. No matter what the top brass at EA says about their “unprecedented partnership” with Nintendo, the fact remains that EA only supported the Wii U with games that had come out six months prior on other systems. Mass Effect 3 was a $59.99 launch title for the Wii U when the Mass Effect Trilogy was hitting the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 for $39.99. Other launch titles from EA for the Wii U included the annual sports roster updates for Madden, NHL, and FIFA and six months after the launch, Criterion’s Need for Speed Most Wanted U wrapped up the end of EA’s support for the Wii U in a nutshell with little more than a whimper of support, neither from Nintendo or EA. After that, words were exchanged and since then, no new Wii U titles have been announced by EA. Aside from EA, Activision has had tenuous support for the Wii U as well. This year’s release of Call of Duty: Ghosts came to fruition, despite less than 1% of sales coming from Wii U owners. That disturbing trend is something we’ve seen show up in Ubisoft’s sales reports as well, which leads us to wonder, will Watch Dogs be the last big budget title the company releases for the Wii U? Warner Bros. Interactive has all but dropped support for the console. Despite releasing Batman: Arkham Origins last year without proper multiplayer support, the newly announced Batman: Arkham Knight is not coming to Wii U. The latest in the Lord of the Rings series entitled Shadow of Mordor was also revealed and will be passing Wii U by. The only two properties that Warner Bros. Interactive owns that will probably still make an appearance on the Wii U are the Scribblenauts series, and any of the LEGO games they release. So what’s up with Ubisoft? Well, Ubisoft is following the same disturbing pattern that Warner Bros. Interactive has exhibited. Shown at last year’s E3, Tom Clancy’s: The Division is not coming to the Wii U. Both Far Cry 4 and The Crew will be skipping the Wii U while supposedly targeting last-gen systems, and while there’s been no announcement about the most recent Assassin’s Creed, if it skips the Wii U this year the only thing the Wii U will have left from Ubisoft is its UbiArt titles. UbiArt is the engine that powered Rayman Legends, which did respectably well on the Wii U considering it was originally a Wii U exclusive. The upcoming game Child of Light uses this framework and the game is coming to Wii U this year. So will Ubisoft relegate titles made with the UbiArt engine to Wii U while passing up the system for more of its blockbuster hits? We don’t know, but there’s a disturbing trend that says yes, this probably will happen. What do you think? local_offer Nintendo ubisoft Watch Dogs wii u stars Further Reading Consumer council in Europe alleges Nintendo i Ubisoft has more plans for the Switch Magnus Eriksson I think this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS1p7W5dmBE#t=677 uPadWatcher Too bad that the Wii U is outselling the Virtual Boy. jjbredesen It has along time ago. WolfgangAmadeusMozart The Wii U sold over 3 million units 6 weeks while the Virtual Boy didn’t sell a single million in its 7 months on the market. Magnus Eriksson Lol, Wii U didnt sell a million from march until october either. 🙂 Sold less than Virtual Boy that period. So yeah, the analogy is very good. Wii U was way more heavily announced than the Virtual Boy, for two years in E3. VB was pretty much released in silence. Gamingsince75 Typical Wii U hater. Poor grammar, and getting your opinion from others. No don’t let that stop you kid. I am seriously lmao at how completely stupid you are and how little you bring to the argument. Magnus Eriksson Lets talk about your swedish or norwegian grammar, I write and speak both fluent. Or your latin or greek? The reason my english grammar isnt perfect is because Im not english. You wanker 🙂 jjbredesen Jei kan snakkje veldikt brå nørsk 😛 Magnus Eriksson Flink 😀 Yoshifan3 magnus, i agree with pretty much everything you say, the wii u is a total failure. there are so many reasons why nintendo screwed up with this console. i felt tricked into thinking there was gonna be 3rd party support, but that was nothing but a lie. so in june i sold my wii u for a ps4, i was tired of waiting for games, ps4 and pc for me! 😀 Zuxs13 You were tired of waiting for games yet you bought a PS4? lol. tom Do not feed the trolls! greengecko007 “poor grammar”… It’s not like having perfect grammar matters in non formal text. Your own comment is far from grammatically correct. I can understand what you’re saying perfectly fine, but if you turned in a paper with that kind of punctuation you’d fail. WolfgangAmadeusMozart The Virtual Boy had a holiday season during its lifetime. There was obviously no such thing for the Wii U between march and october. The Wii U sold millions during the holidays of both 2012 and 2013. Has the virtual boy sold even close to half a million during the holidays of 1995 ? And at least the Wii U doesn’t cause headaches, nausea or dizziness like the Virtual Boy reportedly did. jjbredesen Yup, i don’t compare Wii U to VB i compare it to the gamecube, and its not a bad thing, i think it can do better than gamecube, if Nintendo does everything right. I would rather not make a sales prediction, but properly in th 30M area. gamer4life Spot on. I think it will sell like the N64, and if they release a lot of 1st party games like on the Wii, maybe even SNES numbers. I think somewhere in between N64 and SNES. Magnus Eriksson hahahaha. You are just not true 😀 LOL! It wont sell like the n64 or the snes 😀 jjbredesen I think it is possible for it to get 30M during its life time, but only if what i have said in my previous comments happen. Magnus Eriksson Not a chance my friend. 10M maybe 15m. gamer4life That is the stupidest thing you could have said. It sold 6 million with barely any games in a year, but it will only sell the same amount with a lo of amazing first party games for the rest of the life cycle? I thought you couldn’t get any dumber, but you did. Shows your knowledge, or lack of. jjbredesen Il take that bet, by 2018 i bet it will have sold close to 25-30m and you bet close to 10-15m? gamer4life He lost all credibility right there. It will sell at least 30 million. he thinks it will sell around 6 million for the rest of the life cycle, even when the big hitters comes, but it sold 6 million in a year of poor sales. can’t get any dumber. gamer4life Why not? Zelda U, Metroid U, Mario Kart 8, SSB4 did not come out and it sold 6 million. It will sell that much because it will have a life cycle till 2018, and the games I listed will always sell. Then there will also be one more Zelda before they stop. You have no facts and do not base off the sales or anything, you base of your ignorant opinion. Magnus Eriksson There wont be a zelda u. gamer4life Yes there will. They have been working on it since 2010 you idiot. You are the dumbest person on the site. Actually, on the web. Link of all time lol Magnus Eriksson At this point its really more comparable with Virtual Boy. jjbredesen No its not, it is doing better, it has the same problems as Virtual Box, but its doing better, and its not 1996 anymore. Wii U has way more support than VB ever had. gamer4life How? You are stupid because you have no facts. VB did reach 1 million and production stopped after 7 months. Wii U sold almost 6 million to this date and production will continue, because of Zelda U, Metroid U, and other games (Galaxy 3?). Wii U shows no signs of stopping, and it will sell like crazy with MK*, SSB4 and maybe Zelda U this year. I think it will sell 10 million. Use facts instead of pulling shit of of your ass. jjbredesen Now i agree on everything on your comment minus that it will sell like crazy when MK and SSB4 is released the standard number of sales will raise and stay at a nice place over a longer period of time rather than sky rocketing thats how Nintendo games normally work. I think it will sell closer to 7,8-8M gamer4life Yeah, overtime they will sell a lot. but I think that if Mario Kart 8 releases in a time with less games (summer) it will sell a lot. And if SSB4 releases in holiday, there will definitely be a huge spike. jjbredesen There will be a nice spike yes, sort of like the blue line in the picture below, the first spike being MK8, the smaller ones being other games and the second one being Smash. http://www.icpconcepts.com/images/sce/HSP-blood-levels.jpg gamer4life Yep, fair enough. Mercurio2054 or PSvita? @jjbreddesen @magnus Eriksson Magnus Eriksson Actually yes, but at the same time no. Vita is a handheld, and should be compared with other handhelds. Magnus Eriksson The analogy is still very good. Its the system that is best comparable with Wii U. Nintendo will likely not even adress it as an own system in the future, but as a Wii special or something like that. shanafan Expect the Wii U has a number of critically acclaimed titles. Magnus Eriksson Look at the video. Listen to what Nintendo says about quality games on Virtual Boy. Sounds familiar? Nintendo have a long history of BSing. The Clockwork Being Although I found this funny, the comparison points and variables added to the equation to prove this theory, or rather game theory are bare and don’t do it justice. Magnus Eriksson True, they were too harsh withe the Virtual boy and too kind with the Wii U. The Clockwork Being But the part of Rushed Technology, No Games(Reggie lied about the drought problem for 2014), the launch titles(I’ll reply to your comment how I would have done it) and no third party support all stand true. Magnus Eriksson Bad batteries and pricepoint is pretty much spot on too. Zuxs13 No they weren’t. My game pad last 6-7 hours, and the Wii U was and is significantly less the its competitors. Magnus Eriksson Nope. Its competition was PS3 and XB360. Both systems outsold Wii U and was way much cheaper. I think you lie about your batteries btw 🙂 Zuxs13 Nintendo claims between 3-5 hrs (which is longer than most cell phones last while being used for 3-5 hours constantly) and if you turn the brightness down, mine is down all the way it last much longer. I get 6+ hrs watching netflix or playing VC games on it. The Xbox and PS3 were not much cheaper than the Wii U and they were also 6-7 years old, and they were not the direct competition. how can you compare a launch price of a new system to a 7 year old product? That like saying my iPhone 6 is much more expensive than that iPhone 4 i can buy… Very ignorant statement. Common i know you are a hater but have an actual truthful argument Zorpix can confirm 6-7 hour battery life. Magnus Eriksson Mine only last around 3 hours TheRealTruthTeller stop lying faget Magnus Eriksson What is a faget? jjbredesen Its the female version of fag, hence fag-et 😛 Zorpix whatcha doin with it? jjbredesen I would say 5-6 😛 TheRealTruthTeller hes not lying fyi, you are just stupid Magnus Eriksson Nah, Im quite intelligent actually. 🙂 TheRealTruthTeller you really arent, if you like to waste your time bashing a webpage, then you must be below average my good man Magnus Eriksson And you waste your time commenting on that. Are you stupid too? TheRealTruthTeller not so much as the guy that bashes every update on this page… you must be bored of your wife 😉 Magnus Eriksson Nah, but you seems to have an interest in her and me as you makes it into a topic all the time. Do you often come to gaming sites to talk about others wifes? You must be lonely and stupid. I feel sorry for you 🙂 gamer4life Doesn’t seem like that. Mario Garth My battery lasts all day. It’s called turning down the brightness and Power Saving mode on. gamer4life You just proved how stupid you are. Magnus Eriksson Nah, but you did. Because Im right, and you are wrong but too stupid to see it. Thats the worst kind of stupid you know 🙂 gamer4life How am I wrong? You think the Wii U is the virtual boy, but it already sold WAY more than it. It also did not even get the big hitter games. Virtual Boy was discontinued early in its time, but the Wii U is not, and it will not be. Nintendo is already releasing big games like SSB4 and MK8, and they are planning on releasing Zelda U, and probably Metroid U. These will help it sell like crazy. it won’t be the Wii, but it will be the around N64 and SNES. Those games have that kind of power. You are so ignorant saying that you are right, when you are completely wrong. You use no facts to back it up, but you say you are right to make you feel better. That is just sad. haters like you are pathetic. Get a life. Magnus Eriksson Wii U didnt sell a million from march until october either. 🙂 Sold less than Virtual Boy that period. So yeah, the analogy is very good. Wii U was way more heavily announced than the Virtual Boy, for two years in E3. VB was pretty much released in silence. gamer4life Virtual Boy did not sell a million. Wii U sold 3 million at launch. If they released bigger games like Mario Kart 8 that year, I guarantee you that it would have sold at least 9 million. 5.6 million in 1.2 year is not bad. Virtual Boy did much worse. And Big name Nintendo games always sells well, like DKCTF. So Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros 4 and Zelda U will sell like CRAZY because of the bigger names. So your point is invalid. use some logic and thought next time you fool. Magnus Eriksson Read what I wrote again, and answer according to that instead of your private monologues 🙂 gamer4life I did idiot……… TheRealTruthTeller hey, you keep bashing everything on this page, you have a wife dont you? or something, whatever that fat sloth is Magnus Eriksson I actually have one. A lovely beautiful and intelligent wife. What do you have? TheRealTruthTeller i think i hit the nail on that one Magnus Eriksson Nope 🙂 She is beautiful, lovely and smart. Hows about your wife? Or you dont have one maybe? 🙂 Zuxs13 Wow this so not a good analogy. Anything from someone who calls something a “red and black pile of crap” should never be taken seriously. Nothing he said was remotely true or even close to being comparable. Battery life on the game pad is not 3.5 hrs, nor was the “soaring costs” of the Wii U any different than any major game console out there. Magnus Eriksson I have a Wii U and I know perfectly well how short time they last. Fully charged it lives about three hours when the pad is in use. Oh and yes its 300$ pricepoint was way too high. Thats already proven. It was unsupported too, sold like crap. Zuxs13 Turn the brightness down! its simple to do. The price point wasn’t too high it sold nearly as well in the first 4 months as the PS4 and better than the Xbone did. And it wasn’t “unsupported” it had 2 less major games released last year then the PS3 did! It was still supported, it just wasn’t supported like YOU wanted it to be. All the comparisons in this video were a stretch to support his “theory” yet they were only speculation not true. TheRealTruthTeller Funny, you are just saying bullshit cuz you want people ti be butthurt, but you take your time to actually respond 0/10 would not read again crocodileman94 You have to keep in mind that it’s just a theory. linkzero65 can you watch this video without laughing i think not! https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fldgF3bew1o linkzero65 wtf happend to these guys? #microsoft #sony #money #youknowwhatimsaying? Link of all time if you paid attention to the video, near the end he is making fun of mainstream gamers. the next part he is going state why we should support innovation in gaming. stop being a sheep. uPadWatcher Meh… Ubisoft isn’t ending their relationship with Nintendo releasing Wii U titles. Ashley King I never said they were ending their relationship with Nintendo entirely. Just that it seems as though they’ll follow in Warner Bros. footsteps and release their smaller titles on the platform, instead of their big budget titles. jjbredesen It would make sense from a business standpoint, they spend less money making smaller titles, it takes less time, and there is less risk involved, i think if MK8 can’t get sales going Ubi will start to pull out, i think we will se AC V, but not much after that. Great article. Magnus Eriksson Nah, unlikely. Ubi sees how little Nintendo supports the console, and they does not want to take responsible that not even Nintendo is doing. My guess is that the relation between the two of them is getting colder now. jjbredesen Its getting colder no denying that, but i think Ubisoft will wait a little longer, just in case Wii U pulls a 3DS, witch is unlikely, but you never know. Magnus Eriksson Its not possible to pull a 3DS now. MK8 is released in 30th of May. Sales number will show earliest a week from then, thats 7th of June. What numbers are realistic here? And is it realistic to believe that 3rd parties will jump because of that number? Hardly. But lets be generous, one month, thats 30th of June. How old is the Wii U then? 20 months? Do you think anyone will bet on that card? My guess is a discontinuation of Wii U quite soon. jjbredesen I agree with you, but logic does not work with Nintendo, they are to proud to discontinue it now, they will discontinue it after all of the currently in development games are done and have been out for a year. So 2016-2017 is the safest bet. Retro just started a new game, so they have not given up 100% and Zelda U is supposed to be Nintendos most exspensive projekt ever, so they will keep Wii U on the market untill 2016-2017 earliest and i can’t see them keeping it for longer than 2018. So i would say 2017-18. They will show there new console at E3 2017, and lauch it in 2018. D.M.T Watching you two talk about Wii U makes me wanna puke. Logic does not work with Nintendo? You’re wrong, they are smart enough to keep the Wii U alive and not listen to people on the internet who THINK they know better than Nintendo when in reality they don’t know jack shit. It makes absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL to discontinue the Wii U. Magnus Eriksson Its a dead system DMT. Thats why it makes sense. Why would they produce systems when no one wants them? nexxus6 Then what does that say about you seeing that you spend a whole lot of time on message boards talking about a dead product? What is your end game chatting on these boards if you don’t see the WiiU lasting for more than 1 additional year? jjbredesen I have not said it makes sense to do it now, but i am saying it will not last as long as Wii did, Gamecube only lasted 5-6 years, so Wii U probably will not last much longer. They need to make money, and keeping Wii U past 2018 unless it suddenly starts selling is highly unlikely and a bad business decision. Magnus Eriksson If people doesnt buy the system it will be discontinued before march 2015. How many consoles do you think they have sold since christmas? 100.000 total maybe. jjbredesen I would say about 150, 000 it has passed the 6M mark i am sure, but i would not count on Nintendo discontinuing Wii U as early as 2015, Zelda U will be lauching around feb, so they will want to give it time to sell, and i am sure they have other games they ready or starting development for 2015 and 2016, so no way before 2017, but i would say 2018 E3 is when the new console is shown no earlier. Zuxs13 You will find out March 15th from NPD, but they were up 26% in January. http://wiiudaily.com/2014/02/january-npd-numbers/ and it has sold over 100K in February too. The Xbone is barely selling better than the Wii U http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/03/06/xbox_one_barely_beats_nintendo_wii_u_in_sales nexxus6 I can’t see any reason why Nintendo will cancel the WiiU by March 2015. So, are you predicting that Microsoft will cancel the Xbone by 2016 then? The Xbone sales aren’t lighting up the charts. D.M.T You said you agree with Magnus and you said that logic does not work with Nintendo which means that you, like Magnus thinks that Wii U should be discontinued soon. You agreed with Magnus’ nonsense and that’s sad. Wii U will not last as long as the Wii? The Wii didn’t last long (2006-2013) and Wii U will probably last 6 to 7 years also. Stop acting like you know better than Nintendo because you don’t. jjbredesen Dude, i have not said that i know better than Nintendo, they have never said how long they will keep Wii U on the shelves, but the part i agree on Magnus with has nothing to do with discontinuing Wii U it has to do with how Nintendo is acting now and how they are not giving us that many games, i love the ones the give us, and i love Nintendo don’t get me wrong i am no hater, i just get angry when companies make bad decisions, i have stated that there is no point predicting anything before E3, so we can see what they are planning for the next year, what we a talking about now are just theories of what we think could happen. I don’t say one thing and then stick to it, my opinion will change depending on what a company does, when Sony announced PS3 and the price i was done with them until things got better around 2010, because the price whent down and we where getting lots of great games. I give companies feedback if all of us just said Wii U is great no problems at all, Nintendo would not understand the problems as much. They would, but it helps them to hear fan feedback. And 2012-2018 is 6 years, and then Wii U would have no more games coming after 2019? So it still has 6-7 years, so yes my previous comment was sort of wrong. Magnus Eriksson Why are you here? You clearly dislikes people who disagree with you. You shouldnt be here then. Do something you enjoy instead. Magnus Eriksson In a way you could say that its already discontinued. Its not supported, and Nintendo sells out “refurbished” versions. jjbredesen lol, nah it will live for a couple more years 😛 gamer4life They are not discontinuing the Wii U you idiot. The Wii U is till profitable, and at worst it will be the GC. They don’t want to get rid of that. Don’t be foolish. Magnus Eriksson Yeah, tough guy with fake name calls me an idiot. How old are you? 12? gamer4life So I have to use my real name for everything? Lol you are an idiot. And I am not 12, I am a lot older than that. And you are not 12, that’s for sure. There are A LOT of 12 year old kids smarter than you. 10 seems to fit you. Zorpix I wouldn’t say a discontinuation, but they’ll be getting new ideas pretty quick here. I agree. I dont think a 3DS is possible at this point Zuxs13 Depends on what you consider big budget titles? Are you only meaning the titles that have photo realistic graphics and spend a ton of money on making those, along with voice acting? Or are games like Just Dance a big budget, they sell better and require a lot of licensing money, though not as much in the graphic department. Just Dance 4 sold as well on the WiiU as the PS3 version with only 1/16 the amount of consoles. Rayman Legends was a big budget title and it sold better on the Wii U than all the other versions available. Too often people confuse these “mature” photo realistic games as the only “AAA” titles or big budget titles, when that isn’t always the case. They may be dropping those games from the Wii U (though we wont know for sure until E3), but they are playing to their strengths. Most of those games do not sell well on Nintendo Consoles whether they are good or not, they just don’t (sad I like many of them). Good job on the article. Wooopigsooie Well of course the titles they spend a ton of money making are “big budget titles.” Isn’t that the whole point? Btw you’re still right about the M rating being completely from big budget though. Zuxs13 Well i know that spending a lot of money means big budget, what i was getting at was games like Rayman and Just Dance are Big-Budget as well but often get over looked as so due to being Non-mature games. ZeldaFan83 Can you really blame them for that. They’ve supported Wii U the longest as a 3rd party with big budget games and their losing a lot of money in such a risky situation. I applaud them for sticking with the Wii U this long. They are a great supporter or Nintendo and deserve everyone’s thanks, its not their fault for dropping big budget support if anything its our fault for not buying their games! tom I agree with you to a certain extent. I really feel deep down inside( this can apply to most 3rd party companies) If they release the games on time with competitive versions then these games like, Batman Arkham Origins, Splintercell, AC4, ME3 would have sold WAY better. Even COD ghost just got a DLC map recently. Gamingsince75 Yes I am sure you would line up to buy games on PS4 and X1 that were completely inferior in every way yet cost the same price… lol Why have a never met a Nintendo hater with common sense? ZeldaFan83 Are you calling me a Nintendo hater? You are a foolish child. I was the 1st in line to buy my Wii U and every great game there is for it including the most recent DKC Tropical Freeze. Nintendo fans don’t get much bigger than me. I have every Nintendo console and portable gaming system known to man and I will support Nintendo til the day I die, so go think before you speak and blurt out nonsense. Magnus Eriksson Are you sure? Im pretty much sure that Ubi thinks that Wii U support is nothing but a burden now. They are delaying WD and they went multiplat with Rayman. Both cases show that they dont want to prioritize Nintendo at the moment, at least not the Wii U. jjbredesen Perhaps we could get a AC:3D?? I would love some big western 3rd party games on 3DS! jjbredesen I hope its not true, but i don’t think we will be seing much more after AC V. No profit, unless Mario Kart gives us a miracle its not going to go so well… Helbert Pina I personally bought the Wii U for Nintendo games, both for me and for “family fun”, while multiplatform games I ALWAYS buy on Steam (better price and better graphics and/or performance). As long as Nintendo keeps on making awesome games, I’ll follow. 😉 BIG Franky YES…. Ubi is bailing…. they will release the JUST DANCE games and that’s it… and Nintendo will have the audacity to say they have solid relationships with 3rd parties… we’ll get Skylanders from Activision as well…. that’s about it… D.M.T Why would Nintendo admit in public that 3rd parties don’t want to make games for Wii U? Why? They have to pretend like their relationship with 3rd parties is solid. BIG Franky I just cant support unethical practices… lying to customers is unethical. Zuxs13 So you must live in a bubble and never buy a single consumer product. Magnus Eriksson Yup, they pretty much tricked us to buy the system. Also made alot of lies about 2014 drought. They have lost all credibility now. Gentle Robot How’d they “trick” you? Every 3rd party launch game was an old port except Assassins Creed 3 (which sucked) sports updates and some shovelware. If you feel so betrayed, stop whining and sell the system. Magnus Eriksson No body want to buy a Wii U. So its not possible to sell. And if I want to say Wii U is as shit as it is, then Ill do so without your permission. gamer4life Ignorance at it’s finest. Everyone will want one when MK8, SSB4, and Zelda U comes. James Fitzgerald No they won’t gamer4life Lol why not? Three biggest games of the year. James Fitzgerald No there not, they will well but their not the biggest games of the year. jjbredesen I would argue that MK8 is the biggerst release of the year, if you think games lik Titanfall come are considered a big release i think your wrong because its just another shooter! We get like 5 shooters a year, but only 2 MK games a generation, and MK is the game that sells the best of all Nintendo games period. Smash is not as big, because it does not have an as big audience. James Fitzgerald Titianfall is on xbone, 360 and PC it will out sell Mk. jjbredesen Never heard of Titianfall 😛 But, sales is not what makes a game “big” or good, and Titanfall will quickly be forgo ten as another shooter, never understood the hype behind it. I guess only time will tell. James Fitzgerald Hahaha yeah sure I never under the hype for MK after thr snes. greengecko007 When looking only at Wii U games. Plenty of awesome titles coming out this year for 3DS, PS4, and Xbox One. (I don’t follow Vita news) nexxus6 You still haven’t found a way to get rid of that dreaded WiiU that you seem to be so cursed with? Donate it, or just demolish it. If you don’t like the system and if you feel you can’t unload it on somebody, then donate or destroy it. However, we all know that you will never part ways with your WiiU, because you will then have nothing to piss and moan about. Your grandstanding is full of hollow words and no action. Sydney Ultrasyd So you must be very happy that 3rd party are living anyway, if you think that everything is shitty. To me it’s a very bad news. I can say it : I enjoyed ACIII, IV, Splinter Cell and Rayman. Period. Gentle Robot I don’t believe anyone enjoyed Assassins Creed 3, sorry. It was dull, campy, buggy and just not fun. Even the other characters hated “Connor.” Not sure how I was expected not to. Do you mean “leaving?” Ubisoft might leave, but other big companies weren’t there to begin with. Dozens of big budget games decided against the Wii U platform before it was released commercially. 2013 multiplats like Tomb Raider, Bioshock 3, Kingdom Hearts 1.5 began development earlier, with PS360 in mind, and decided consciously to not support Wii U. I’m not personally excited by Watch Dogs if that’s the question. It makes no difference to me whether the game comes out on the platform, but if others want to enjoy that game or any other Ubisoft game on Wii U, it’s a shame they’re getting let down. D.M.T Another one of these “Wii U is a failure” articles….yay (not). I’ve said it once and i’ll say it again: Ubisoft hasn’t been a great supporter of the Wii U and that’s a fact. Ubisoft’s “support” for the Wii U is so shitty. If Watch Dogs is Wii U’s last “big budget” game from them then so be it. I have lost a lot of respect for Ubisoft so i don’t give 2 shits anymore. Magnus Eriksson Yeah, lost respect for the only third party company who have supported the Wii U more than Nintendo have done. You sir deserves a medal… greengecko007 Where does it say the Wii U is a failure? Oh, I forgot, you didn’t read it. You’re just an insecure fan that can’t handle the fact that the Wii U has it’s problems to try and work out like almost every console ever released. D.M.T Me an insecure fan? lol look at this idiot acting like he knows me. I KNOW how great the Wii U is, I KNOW how great Nintendo is and I KNOW that Nintendo will somehow make the Wii U successful. Nintendo is becoming a bigger company, they are hiring people instead of firing them like Sony and they are building buildings instead of selling them like Sony. I’m not insecure at all, I believe in Nintendo, always have and always will. People who write articles like these are the ones who are insecure. People who like to say: “Nintendo is doomed” or “Nintendo should go 3rd party” or “the Wii U will be discontinued” are the ones who are insecure. greengecko007 Still never answered my question. Where is the Nintendoom in this article? Where does the author say the the Wii u should go third party, or that the Wii U will be discontinued? You are complaining about things that aren’t even there. Why? Because you are insecure, and nearly every post you make shows it. If I’m wrong, it should be easy to prove it. D.M.T And where did I say that the author said that Wii U should go 3rd party? Where did I say that the author said that Wii U should be discontinued? Can you quote me on that? No you can’t because I never said that. I said people who say those things are the ones who are insecure, people like Magnus and Daniel Gonzalez. While Ashley King don’t think that Wii U should be discontinued, she does think it’s a failure or else she wouldn’t have written that article. I’m just tired of all the Michael Pachter wannabes on the internet. People making prediction after prediction after prediction about Wii U’s future instead of just waiting and see what’s gonna happen. I’m also tired of those who THINK they know more about business than Nintendo when in reality they don’t know shit. You wanna talk about insecurity? Why don’t you look in the mirror? You’re the one who’s insecure you wanna know why? Because you responded to me attacking me instead of attacking my opinion. Attack the someone’s opinion and not the person itself. Say what you want about my post but my post are about video games, I keep it about video games, you don’t see me accusing people of being “insecure” or anything like that. greengecko007 Yes, I absolutely can quote you on that, so here we go. “Another one of these “Wii U is a failure” articles….yay (not).” “People who write articles like these are the ones who are insecure. People who like to say: “Nintendo is doomed” or “Nintendo should go 3rd party” or “the Wii U will be discontinued” are the ones who are insecure.” As I previously stated, you are throwing a fit over things that aren’t even there. “While Ashley King don’t think that Wii U should be discontinued, she does think it’s a failure or else she wouldn’t have written that article.” Or maybe she wrote the article to explain the ongoing situation, propose a prediction, and ask what we think. Anything else is just your imagination. “I keep it about video games, you don’t see me accusing people of being “insecure” or anything like that.” Meanwhile, your comment to jjbredesen eariler, “Watching you two talk about Wii U makes me wanna puke.” D.M.T You obviously didn’t understand my comment at all lol. But I’m not gonna waste my time arguing with you. Have a good day. Adecentboy777 As mentioned before so many times, Wii U is for Nintendo games. You wanna have more, then go with PS4, which is the best bet and the most powerfull next gen. I love my mix from PS4 and Wii U even if the Wii U and Nintendo was a big disappointment this time around. I’ll still look forward to some nice first party Nintendo games, like Yoshi’s Island and Zelda. I also enjoy the new Donkey Kong now, it’s real fun 🙂 Fanboy/Fangirl It will probably will be Ubisoft’s last big game for the Wii U. ForestHaven Nintendo’s third party troubles are 100% Nintendo’s fault. Nintendo released a technologically handicapped console with a dual screen selling point so useless that even Nintendo’s most recent first party titles hardly even use it. How many horror stories of developer-Nintendo relations do we have to read before we realize that Nintendo is to blame for the root problem of this scenario? Can you really blame these publishers for abandoning ship? Ubisoft made a huge leap of faith funneling money in to ZombiU. Launching a brand new untested IP on a console that already had an air of failure among the general masses was a huge risk that did not pay off for Ubisoft. Can you blame them for thinking twice on their exclusivity deal with Rayman? The laughably small population that bought a Wii U is not enough to support these projects from developers like Ubisoft and WB. The next generation of consoles are here and that is where the people and money is. That is why Nintendo will be the only company keeping the Wii U afloat just like they did with the Wii. The only difference is that this console will financially fail. This is a business where concepts of loyalty are left at the door – and rightly so. Just because a vocal minority of Nintendo gamers call for the games does not mean publishers should feel ANY obligation to give Nintendo consoles the treatment the XB1 and PS4 receive. Doing so would be financial suicide. I’m ready for the blind fanboy rage. Bring it. Gamingsince75 With your first sentence it became clear, that you have no idea what you are talking about. Surely you cant really be stupid enough to think Wii U is weaker than PS3 or 360? Your opinion is good for a laugh but lacks any knowledge so its not credible. Things you got wrong Most Nintendo games do in fact use the game pad. Not every feature needs to be used and isn’t getting used on PS4 or X1 so why is it only an issue on a Nintendo platform. Ubisoft took a huge leap of faith? PUre ignorance again. They made a ton off of Wii. The problem with Zombi U was it changed development mid cycle to be a completely different game. 600k is not a failure on PS3 360 or most of their games are failures. You talk about sales like you actually know them but come off completely clueless at least to how sales are on other platforms. Not every game on PS360 is amillion seller. Laughable small population? You mean the one the exact same size as PS4 and larger than X1? Another point where you show your ignorance. Doing so would be financial suicide… Yes because you can name 20 3rd party games without missing features or delayed that bombed on a Nintendo platform… Speaking without knowledge again but nobody could make that claim as no 3rd party dev has ever put out a solid effort on Wii U. LOL, the only one in a blind rage is you kid. It’s easy to dismantle the arguments made by an idiot. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your hate though. its easier to discredit you and only blows your cred with others so please keep at it. Already had an air of failure before launch? Yeah keep drinking the kool aid kid. Zorpix I dont agree with him, but where the Hell did he say it was weaker than the PS3/360? Magnus Eriksson Its not weaker, but to be honest its pretty much on pair. Also the best looking games on PS3 looks better than anything on the Wii U. gamer4life Nope. The Wii U is much more powerful than both 360 and PS3. It is a fact. And SM3DW is the best looking game between 360/Ps3 and probably X1/PS4. Magnus Eriksson Ok, I dont agree. gamer4life Any reason? Or do you just hate Nintendo? jrob23 ha ha that was good trolling!! Zorpix eh… I dunnooooo greengecko007 Sssh, fanboys don’t actually read. ForestHaven “The last argument of a fool is ridicule.” You may think making blind jabs at what you think is my “ignorance” on the subject makes you sound intelligent but you missed your target there bud. – It is your first sentence that is illogical, sir. Why are you comparing the capabilities of a “next gen console” the to the previous generation machines. Compare it to the competition: the PS4 and XB1. Both are vastly superior consoles in terms of their power. – Notice I mentioned Nintendo’s most recent first party titles. Not the initial wave of games that attempted to shove the gamepad functionality where it simply did not work. If you think Super Mario World’s use of the gamepad in which a handful of levels require you to tap platforms and blow in the mic or DKCTF’s utter and complete lack of functionality qualifies as “legitimate” use of the gamepad then that is your prerogative and opinion to harbor. No not every feature of a console must be used 100% of the time but when the two biggest releases of the past 6 months fail to use the console’s selling point then there is in fact a problem. – Yes the sales of ZombiU were terrible. Ubisoft is the same money mongering corporation as EA. If they loved the production they would have thrown their full support to serialization. – Yes the adoption rate of the Wii U is laughable. Horrible and terrible are also fitting. The PS4 and XB1 are on pace to outsell the 2 year sales record of the Wii U in merely 6 months. If you have a problem with that statement then simply wait for the release of the competition’s true blockbuster releases. – 3rd parties have handicapped their games by stripping features. Are you surprised? Why should they invest more money in to Arkham Origins or CoD: Ghosts when they hardly made any money on those releases? You can’t fix a problem that is out of your control by throwing money at it. I obviously struck a chord here. This will be my only reply to give detail to some of my earlier points. Heres to hoping Nintendo pulls out of this stronger than ever. Cheers Zuxs13 Just to touch on a few of your points. Zombi U wasn’t as big of a flop as its been made out to be. It has sold around 650k (physical copies) world wide, which is a pretty goo attach rate for a console with less than 6 mil units sold. Also Ubisoft may have been lying about its performance. http://gaminrealm.com/2013/07/12/ubisoft-lying-about-zombiu-performance/ Though the Wii U adoption rate may be “Laughable” then you most concede that So are current Xbox1 sales as they are barely better than the wii U in the last several weeks. http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/03/06/xbox_one_barely_beats_nintendo_wii_u_in_sales PS4 is doing very well, though it tanked in the second week on the market in Japan but it could be due to low availability. Also the Wii U hasn’t been on the market for 2 years, its 15 months only 12 more than the other two. 3rd parties handicapped their games before they sold them so they had no idea they were going to sell bad. They handicapped the first bout of games and they sold bad and yet they did it again, then complain they still sell bad. So its not hard to see who’s fault that is.. greengecko007 Agree 99%. I think all of your points are reasonable, but I don’t think Nintendo is the only party at fault for lack of 3rd party support. Bob Wilkerson Imagine what could have been if Ubisoft and others did not delay, cancel, and/or cripple/strip features out of the games ONLY on Nintendo since the Wii U had launched. Much of the situation 3rd parties are in with Nintendo and the Wii U is the fault of the 3rd parties. They can make excuses to blame Nintendo and Nintendo fans all they want but since day one of the Wii U the console has gotten the shaft from 3rd party studios on the vast majority of games. Also since I posted the same comment on Facebook I will add this note here as it was pointed out that games from Ubisoft like Assassins Creed, Just Dance, and Zombie U sold horribly on the Wii U so here is additional information that proves that when games do not sell well on the other platforms they still get future support with full games released on time. Assassins Creed 3/4 both stripped of features an extras so that proves my point. Just Dance 2014 sold better on the Wii U than it did on the PS4 and XB1 and also sold better on the Wii vs the PS3 and XB360. So by that maybe they should pull support from the PS4 and XB1 then. Rayman Legends sold better on the Wii U than it did on the PS3/PS4 and XB360/XB1 too if we are sticking to Ubisoft Games. ZombiU sold decent for a launch title exclusive and just about the same as a couple launch title exclusives to the XB1 and PS4 such as Ryse for the XB1. EA Launch title Need For Speed Rivals sold horribly across all platforms it was released on and sold twice as much on the PS3/PS4 than it did on the XB360/XB1. Maybe EA should pull the same shenanigans to Microsoft as they did on Nintendo based on a game selling bad at the launch of a new system. I am sick of the double standard and people claiming it is because of Nintendo fans not buying 3rd party or because the game sold horribly but never acknowledging that most of the 3rd party games are gimped and stripped of features and/or delayed ONLY on Nintendo. Sure Nintendo has some of the blame but you all have to look at the full story that if a game sells bad on either the Playstation or XBOX brand they make no excuses and continue full support. tom If these 3rd party companies do not release a competitive version of these games with no delays, do not even bother releasing them at all! abe but the issue is if we dont but the crippled 3rd party games the publishers just see it as no sales. not we must do better. buy all the 3rd party games you like. if it’s got cut features buy it new at a cheaper price Dj In a nutshell, when features to or entire games are dropped from the wii u, people don’t buy those game versions. As much as I love the Wii and Nintendo as a whole, even I chose to get the bigger games on other consoles. We’ve all done it, im sure. Jaded_Drybones I only own a WiiU, so if it’s not on WiiU, I don’t get to play it. I hope watchdogs isn’t the last Ubisoft game, but given how ungrateful most Nintendo fans are, I think it’s possibly the last. Bob Wilkerson Gamers in general are ungrateful and if you read all the arguing gamers do over game resolution, frames per second, and overall graphic related topics on the almighty x86 “Twins” you will find there are way more angry gamers on those systems over trivial things than there are on Nintendo. I do not think it is unreasonable to question why 3rd parties have gimped the vast majority of their games or canceled their games on the Wii U since the console launched making the same old excuse that the game won’t sell well not realizing that the reason being the gamers know the game will be gimped and choose not to buy it. Gentle Robot Do most buyers know it will be gimped, though? Doesn’t exactly say it on the box. Gamingsince75 Great post and I noticed the haters down below are leaving it alone because they really cannot argue against it with anything valid. McBlink It’s lazy journalism. Know body is going to read a well thought out argument you just made which is a shame because you’re 100% correct. The internet wants to read Nintendo bashing and doom articles thats why there posted every other day. Gabe Hoffman Exactly the point I have trying to make yet so many people refuse to see. Nintendo fans aren’t stupid. they know better than to waste their money on gimped half baked ports Bob Wilkerson And since this has been done on the last 3 Nintendo consoles and since day 1 on the Wii U how is a Wii U owner supposed to act? I know Nintendo has their share of the blame but not many seem to acknowledge that a huge chunk of the blame falls on the third party companies too. This is where Nintendo has to step up and call these companies out on their crap that can be considered borderline anti competitive tactics. PC companies and Intel got sued for pulling similar crap making AMD machines lack features and such and AMD won in the end. Jeovany But its Nintendo fault for doing such a crappy job with the wii u. It’s not the third company fault their just doing what any business with common sense would do. Releasing their ip on the systems that will make them the most money Andrew Baines true point this is fact abe there is an issue. we’re not buying the half baked ports but the publishers aren’t hearing our “give us proper versions” arguments all they are seeing is “oh no on Wii U wants this type of game” we have to buy the half baked ports for the publishers see their is a market. However to get our message across if the game is missing half it’s features (sniper Elite) then only pay half price for it new Sydney Ultrasyd I just see that those guys prefer NO GAMES at all than games with a few missing DLC or features that, honestly, don’t impact that much on the game. John Andalora The ACs only lost DLC. If the ability to spend more money intrigues you, then that’s a shame. Just Dance 2014 sold like shit on all consoles. 0.26 million is terrible, and the fact that it’s terrible on all consoles doesn’t change that it’s still shit sales. ZombiU didn’t make a profit. Even if sales were higher than most other games on Wii U, it’s pretty important to make back your money. Which is why people don’t develop for the bloody thing. They can’t make their money back because so few people buy them. Decker Shado The Zombi U not making a profit thing always sounded fishy to me… and it’s not goo for Ubi either. at 500k+ sales, there’s two options: One, Ubi is shit at budgeting their games. Two, they’re lying. tom It has sold at least 650k tom Thanks for your post and wisdom! How come UBI is not making a zombiu sequel? The game has sold around 700k physical copies! Those figures are not too shabby for launch title! greengecko007 What content was AC 3 and 4 missing that the other versions had? The PS3 had some mediocre exclusive missions, but that hardly makes the Wii U version stripped down, especially when Ubisoft took the time to make gamepad support just for the Wii U version. Mercurio2054 Mediocre Exclusive mission, but still…. they have it… and THAT is marketing that brings more players…. greengecko007 And the Wii U has exclusive gamepad support. Isn’t that supposedly the main appeal of the console? I don’t think many Wii U owners, who typically prefer gamepad integration, opted for a PS3 version. I think most Wii U owners didn’t buy the game at all. Sydney Ultrasyd Gamepad is much better than DLC you have to pay for indeed. People never consider it as a feature that other consoles are missing. I’m typing from my WiiU btw 😀 BIG Franky it really isn’t though…. just study the numbers… actually dig in and you’ll find that the vast VAST majority of players do NOT play, or even download, the DLC nonsense (on any game on any platform)…. that shit is just for the suckers and completionists…. most people wont even complete the campaign, let alone find the time to move on to silly DLC content. I understand that there are people that do, but they are the minority of players…. the developers release it because it is EASY money. Bob Wilkerson DLC Support and some mission in AC4 was not available on the Wii U greengecko007 Not having DLC support sucks for people that wanted it, but it doesn’t make the original $60 game stripped down at all. The other missions were PS3 exclusive, and from my friend who has that version, not nearly as good as the other sidequests like the templar keys. Bob Wilkerson Yeah but wasn’t some of that day one DLC Promo stuff too?? I don’t play the AC games on any platform but there have been many games that did not get the free/included day one DLC content. greengecko007 That I don’t know, as I didn’t personally play those missions. My friend has though, and he said that they were basically throw away missions. This same friend, who does not own a Wii U, recommended that I get the Wii U version, and that’s what I did for AC 3 and later 4. Bob Wilkerson Throw away missions or not people still see that as being shafted and do not buy the game at all or chose to get it on another platform. It is all about perception and if a gamer perceives they are being screwed they have a right to be angry. greengecko007 It seems more like the only people feeling shafted are Nintendo fans, even though they got both games tailored to use the gamepad. Xbox 360 owners got nothing special right? Yet the PS3 versions with the exclusive missions sold basically the same as 360 versions. Apparently they didn’t feel shafted just by a few extra missions. Mercurio2054 omg you really dont get it greengecko007 I understand perfectly, I simply don’t agree. Mercurio2054 hehehe legit :p But, when you see on TV, internet and other source that the new game will have the “AWESOME” DLC ONLY on the blablabla console, not me, not you, but lot of people will buy for blablabla console, only for a shty DLC. URFTBOUND4LIFE . No DLC doesn’t make it stripped down,but it does turn away gamers.It does kill off potential buyers because let’s face it, most people buy DLC out of pure curiosity. They’re left with the impression that they will be missing out on the full experience. That’s why the versions with DLC sell more. Wii U versions often gets pulled so your average Joe who wanted to play the game won’t bother with the Wii U version if they can get extra on the other platforms. T-X It enhances the value of the game bought. Arkham Origins (Wii U) isn’t getting Mr Freeze DLC either and that is a huge thing especially if you’re a Big-Bat fan. MujuraNoKamen Exactly, it’s all excuses from Nintendo fans (or should I say fanboys) AC3 wasn’t missing anything big nor was AC4 – it didn’t get some DLC but I doubt anyone complaining about the lack of it on Wii U would have got the game if it came with all the DLC. And as you said the Gamepad support was a big draw yet Wii U owners didn’t care and instead complained about not getting the same support as the PS version – and sas you said, XBox owners missed out on some DLC too but they didn’t complain, they recognised a good game and supported it. It does suck that we didn’t get all the DLC and there’s no excuse for some devs to cut entire features from the Wii U versions (Batman) but don’t blame the devs when they are actually trying and you weren’t going to look at the game whatever happened. and if Assassin’s Creed is a bad example to use then why did W101 flop on Wii U then? it was a great game, great Gamepad use, no features cut, it was exclusive, and had been getting attention since E3 2012 and it didn’t sell because Mario wasn’t in it! It even embodies evrything we love Nitendo games for; colour, creativity, great gameplay and it got blanked. What’s our excuse there guys? Touya Black And what about Batman Arkham City? I bought the game for the PS3 and later bought the Wii U version, which had extra features, plus ALL of the DLCs released on the GOTY edition, nothing was left out, yet Gamestop tells me copies of the game are no longer printed, why? because the game didn’t sell. What about Tekken Tag Tournament 2? The Wii U received the best version of the game plus extra Nintendo-like features like Mushroom Battle, Tekken Ball; and on top of that, they added Nintendo-exclusive costumes for the Wii U version. I bought the game but not without a chase. Multiple stores ceased sales for the game why? BECAUSE IT DIDN”T SELL! That along with Wonderful 101, which was made exclusively for the Wii U and not even that sold. Fucking bullshit. Like you said, excuses. T-X Do you really expect a fanbase to be developed on the Wii U if AC1 & 2 aren’t even on the system? Hell MassEffect and AC both got back-track ports on PS3 (AC1 and ME1) and they sold pretty ok. It’s a stripped down experience if you have to jump from console to console to play the whole thing. I don’t see no Ezio trilogy on the Wii U so Nintendo gets no community/fanbase development on the Wii U. Yousif Alromaithi Seems true on what you were saying the only problem is that bashing Nintendo has become a common thread. Bob Wilkerson It is common and I am not absolving Nintendo of all blame because they have their share of the blame too. I just find it funny that at E3 2012 many 3rd parties were praising the Wii U and declaring unprecedented partnerships with Nintendo and then the console was launched in November and by January (2 months in) games were getting canceled and gimped and the trend continues. There are very few 3rd party games that have ever released on the Wii U that received full support and even when a 3rd party games sells better on the Wii U than the other platforms like Rayman legends did and many other titles do Nintendo still gets the shaft. Yousif Alromaithi It is all due to the troll journals the Wii U failed 2013 starting form January. At November-December the Wii U sold best. Bob Wilkerson It started very early with the Wii U…. The PS4 is almost double the XB1 which is pretty much on par with the Wii U as terms of sales (maybe a little bit more) and yet there are no developers proclaiming XB1 doom and dropping support despite it being outsold by the PS4 nearly 2 to 1. Heck I can count on my hands how many full games we got with the Wii U from 3rd parties. Someone needs to make a chart of all the multiplat games over the last couple years and show how many games have been gimped/delayed for the Wii U only despite some of them selling better on the Wii U. Daniel You should make this post over on IGN or gamestop, and just see how many intelligent comments you actually get. I’d assume anywhere from… Oh I don’t know 0 to 1. In other words, great post! Yousif Alromaithi That does not matter Nintendo bashing is a common thread just embrace it as I do. DC777 I just watched that E3 2012 this morning. Boy they were all talking about how great the Wii U was then. Then they gave it the shaft. Bad ports, inadequate advertising, late ports, ports that were not as exclusive as they were supposed to be. It’s good that we have a few decent ones but they are really only a handful. Rayman Legends, AC’s, the Arkhams, Need for Speed, Ghosts and BO2, and Mass Effect 3. All good ports for the most part. But not much if any advertising for them and some were late to the game. ZombiU is really the only thing to judge from here. It’s the only 3rd party exclusive for Wii U. It sold pretty decent for a game that is fun but looks like it barely got off ps2. There is definitely more going on behind the scenes that probably can’t be discussed due to agreements. Maybe Nintendo makes shreweder deals then the other 2 do. Maybe Reggie told them to go F themselves one day. We don’t know (or care really). We just want good games. Bob Wilkerson Nintendo needs to work with 3rd parties on advertising and promoting their games more. Like I have mentioned many times I am not absolving Nintendo of all blame here but some people like to put all the blame on Nintendo which is not true. The 3rd parties are victims of themselves too. Bob Wilkerson Funny how that excitement and support dropped in January 2013 all of sudden isn’t it? Lego City Undercover is a 3rd party exclusive and some sites have reported that it sold over 1 million including digital sales. Sega has some 3rd party exclusives too. DC777 Yeah forgot about Lego they also have done well. The Clockwork Being HAHAHA really?? Who the hell do you think you are using common sense and logic on a video game site. I would have you banned for using logic like that! James Fitzgerald When your consoles of choice is harder to program for what do you expect to happen?? They delay the games to make sure the port is good and you bitch they dont delay and the port suck you bitch, its never ending. Nintendo’s problems with third party devs started way back in the news days they never had a good relationship with third party providers. Bob Wilkerson The excuse that the Wii U is harder to program for is BS.. It is PPC architecture similar to what has been used in consoles for many years. This BS excuse did not come up until Microsoft and Sony went x86 and now all of a sudden it is harder to program for. James Fitzgerald Call it whatever you want they ‘ve stayed its hard and more costly to develop for so they skip it, ignore it or give it poor ports because their sure they want make their money back. Bob Wilkerson And some have said that the Wii U is neither more difficult or easier to develop for than other platforms but is has similar unique challenges that developers have to account for and work with to make games for it. Some have said the development tools provided on the Wii U dev kit make it fairly easy. http://www.develop-online.net/tools-and-tech/wii-u-developer-reaction/0117507 So I stand by my it is a BS excuse by lazy developers that seem to have no issue with the challenges that are presented when developing for the unique features of the PS3/4 and XBOX360/XB1 jjbredesen The argument is valid and perhaps the greatest problem. Wii U does not use old architecture at all, it has better architecture than PS4 and Xbone, its raw power of components destroy Xbone. Wii U’s 2GB of Ram=6GB of Xbone Ram, 1 Wii U core=2 Xbone cores. (CPU) and then we have the fantastic GPGPU that takes huge amount of stress of the CPU if used correctly and can make the system 30% more effective in raw power. Wii U is ahead of its time in every aspect of design, but PS4 and Xbone use “old” stuff, that makes it easy to program for, its more CPU intensive witch is something Wii U is trying not to do, they are trying to merge the CPU and GPU in to one. The Wii U is masterpiece in terms of how its been engineered, but its to “advanced” for its time. Games are not optimized to use the newer and better tech, so they perform 30% worse than they could. Because devs don’t know how to use the new tech Wii U IS harder to program for, its simply to good for todays devs. Bob Wilkerson The Wii U is definitely way more powerful than it is given credit for despite having less cores and ram. The PPC architecture is way more efficient and can do more work per megahurt and per clock cycle due to it’s shorter pipeline and other unique features. The PPC chip is also way more memory efficient than x86. The problem is that the PPC is not a great “universal” chip meaning it is not designed to be a jack of all trades like x86 is but that makes it perfect for closed systems such as consoles and devices because developers can tap into more raw power and get more performance out of their applications because the system runs only the one OS that came with it and does not need to be a jack of all trades/master of none like the x86 to account for software made over the last 30+ years and a variety of operating systems and software made by many many programmers. Unfortunately so many are blinded by the netbook/tablet powered XB1 and PS4 because it has 8 Cores and 8GB of ram and do not realize that both those consoles are weak in terms of raw power even compared to the $500 PCs with less cores and less ram. For years gamers and developers praised consoles because of the unique architecture saying developers can tap into the power and improve their games compared to the PC world where the only real way to improve performance is to upgrade. Now since the flip to x86 these same gamers and developers are contradicting themselves. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. jjbredesen Very well written my first reaction to Xbone’s 3 OS approach etc. was this is just like a over glorified Win 8 PC, with worse specs, and less combustibility, PS4 is a little better, but its still crap in the same way, when people talk about specs, they don’ really know what they are talking about, just because the numbers are higher does not mean its more powerful in any way. If Wii U had the same amount of cores and memory chips etc. as Xbone and PS4 it would be almost 3 times as powerful, and if Nintendo dropped the gamepad it could retail for a little more than an Xbone. Only design flaw i see with Wii U is the fan, its tiny and i don’t think the cooling system can keep the system under 75 degrees if it was used in “full-power/overclock” mode. If Nintendo just made Wii U a little bigger and gave it a bit bigger fan etc. I think it could almost catch up with Xbox. Bob Wilkerson And overall it may have less power than the XB1 and PS4 but it is also $150 cheaper than the PS4 and $250 cheaper than the XB1 because the $300 MSRP price tag includes a game of $40-$60 value. The problem is that it is NOT significantly less powerful or vastly underpowered as so many claim it to be. jjbredesen Yup, and the price tag is more around $250 now. If only Nintendo could explain this to the COD playing blind fanboys i would be really happy, because its hard to explain it in a simple way. MerryBlind . Exactly what I’ve been saying for some time now. People eem to forget they’re not all priced the same, and that PS4 and X1 don’t come with any games. Capt. Smoker Can’t agree with that at all, developers are way smarter and advanced in knowledge in this area than we are, the Wii U is terribly complicated and hard to develop for, no matter which way you look at it, the other guys are having a better time, I love my Wii U but I ain’t playing it blindfolded, it’s still behind unfortunately. jjbredesen Yes, that is what i am saying, it is to advance for devs, but in a positive way, i am not saying i know more than devs, i don’t and can just about write basic java code, but if devs where given more time to learn how to use Wii U, it can be used in way better ways, Wii U is better build than PS4, but it does not have as many cores etc. If you want more information contact a dev that knows what they are talking about, most of them are not allowed to talk because of the dev contract between Nintendo and the devs, but some of them can indirectly answer your question like Shinen did with me. Bob Wilkerson Every platform can be difficult to develop for in it’s own way. They all have unique challenges to overcome depending on architecture and features. Many developers have stated that they cannot simply “port” over their PC games to the x86 twins as they once thought and actually have to put work into optimizing the game for the lower specs and for the unique OS and features of the console. Here is a quote from a developer that says just that: “Guillaume Brunier, producer at ZombiU developer Ubisoft Montpellier, explains that the Wii U isn’t necessarily easier or more difficult to develop for than other platforms, but that it just comes with its own unique challenges for developers to overcome, and offers some advice on how developers can harness the platform’s power in future.” http://www.develop-online.net/tools-and-tech/wii-u-developer-reaction/0117507 Gentle Robot I read this a lot, but I’ve yet to see proof. Are there any Wii U games that you think show off the system’s potential? Mind I can’t tell the difference between PS3 and PS4 graphics. It’s worrying to me that even Nintendo’s developers can’t figure out the system – the loading times in DKCTF aren’t indicative of lots of RAM and the courses in Wii Sports Club Golf aren’t exactly mind-blowing. Mercurio2054 for now the only great loading time is the start of the game and the first world… it’s not only ram, is all that you have to load on it. 504HotBoy That’s because we’re looking at first generation games. That happens with every console release. Games that come out within the first few years doesn’t use no where near the systems full capabilities than games that are released in the later years. Graphics improve over the years as developers become more familiar with the hardware and figure out ways of getting the system to push to it’s limits. I notice a difference in PS3 to PS4 games. Although it’s not a big leap. You can see it has better graphics. Mainly higer-res textures, better lighting and slightly more detailed environments. MerryBlind . DKCTF loading times aren’t that bad to be honest. The only long one is when you load your savegame, but once you’re in your game, loading in and out of levels is fine. Besides, when you start up the game, it brings you directly to the title screen without tons of logos and loadings and whatnot like games on other consoles. I’m sure other games on other consoles use all those logos time to actually load the game without you knowing it. And DKCTF visuals are what I would call flawless. The ONLY ‘flaw’ there is, is that it should have been 1080p. Everything else is absolute perfection. Same for all Wii U exclusives so far really. Mario 3D World is amazing visually, only thing missing is 1080p. However I do believe that in time, that same visual fidelity will be rendered at 1080p at some point. Gentle Robot It’s by far the longest load time from start-up screen to game, though wii sports isn’t much better. Even the start-up screen sits there for a while. I’m sure it’s ok if you start the game and play for hours, but if you’re playing a few levels at a time it’s a slog. NSMBU and 3D World don’t have this problem at all. I can’t tell the difference between the different ps, apart from 480. Mario 3D World looks great, as does NintendoLand, but they don’t seem much better than PS3 games. MerryBlind . Well like I said, it is indeed long to start, but that’s it, and I’ve see worse on other consoles, so it’s nothing to write home about. If you cannot see the difference between 720p and 1080p, you are probably too far away from your TV, simple as that, because I can clearly see the difference between both. And no, they don’t look MUCH better than 360/PS3 games, but they still do look better in the very first year of the console life, so in some years you can expect Wii U games to look damn incredible. The fact they look that good and still manage to run at real 720p (not sub-720p like many 360/PS3 games) and at a perfect 60fps is already much better than PS3 actually. Jeovany Where are getting this false information. It’s wrong in so many ways jjbredesen Why would you think it is fake? This is information, that developars have shared, hackers exploited by hackers/engineers and some of it confirmed by Nintendo. And then some of it is just common sense. But if you don’t agree please tell me what you think is wrong. Jeovany There hasn’t been a single dev or hacker that has come out and said the wii u is more powerful or even equal to the xbox one and PS4. Yes I agree that most people are under estimate the wii u power ut your argue wrong. jjbredesen I think you misunderstood my comment, i said its raw performance power of a single core or chip is more powerfull than Xbox One, not its total power, Xbox One and Ps4 are more powerfull because they have more chips, cores etc. Wii U is not as powerfull in those terms, it is more powerfull from the perspective of how it is build and how it can be utilized when compared to price etc. If Wii U was sold for as much as an Xbox One, Nintendo could shove more power in to it, than Xbox One and PS4. Donno if that made much sense, but hope you understand. Sydney Ultrasyd Even Nintendo delay their games on their own consoles. I’ll just buy WatchDogs when it’s out, no matter if it’s delayed or not, if it’s a good game. But I’m sure that it will be their last game on Wii U as you guys won’t buy it. Who cares about a delay when the game is good ? Who cares about some stupid DLC ? Seriously. Mercurio2054 Who cares about some stupid DLC ??…. the other consoles have it… and THAT is marketing that brings more players…. Sydney Ultrasyd DLC generally don’t come for free, else I would understand. But less content is still better than no content at all. And I highly doubt a few more DLC would bring more players to Wii U. I choosed to buy a Wii U because it’s Nintendo, and I really thought that would be a perfect balance between classic nintendo games and other games. Now I see I was wrong. I’m very happy so far with all the games I bought on Wii U though. Even Mass Effect. Most of you are complaining that they didn’t bring #1 and 2. I played #3, it was great, that’s all. Also, most of you seem to forget that developing on Wii U asks a bit more adaptation that porting between PS3 and Xbox 360. I really don’t mind if I have to pay a bit more, when the Gamepad adds some (rather poor, OK) features, but mostly the possibility to play off-TV. I think that’s worth a few bucks. I prefer that than any online support. And online games are always empty anyway… I bought more Ubisoft games than Nintendo on WiiU so far. Without them, I would have played my Wii U much less ! Bob Wilkerson And when it is announced that such things are not going to be available it makes the gamer think they will not get the support the game deserves so apparently the gamer has no right to be upset when a company screws them despite if they intend to get DLC or not. Superstick98 I find that stuff hilarious. My cousin didn’t get COD BO2 on Wii U because it was no DLC yet he got it on PS3 and bought NONE of the DLC. XD Mercurio2054 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wG14vKjc6w0/Um-pEfhtlfI/AAAAAAAAiJA/cxSUV-IlaR0/w701-h410-no/ac4.jpg i buy it since 2013 Bob Wilkerson I have had the game pre-ordered for the Wii U since July 2013. Jaded_Drybones Ubisoft is one of the only reason we have any AAA games. I loved ZombiU, Mass Effect and AC4. Thank God for Ubi. What did we get from Nintendo? Games that didn’t have broken online, just no online at all. :/ Mercurio2054 Do you read all he say? Jaded_Drybones We should be thankful to Ubi, despite the “Raymon-incident.” Mercurio2054 and AC DLC… the online fron splinter cell? come on! jjbredesen Dude Mass Effect was not developed by Ubisoft, it was developed by Bioware and published by EA abe i agree if all the delays and sudden announcements of multiformat versions (ninja Gaiden 3) hadn’t happened we would of got far more support and sales. Sydney Ultrasyd Imagine that, by the end of may, people have the choice between Mario Kart or Watch Dogs ? What do you think will sell more, when not everybody can afford 2 games a month ? Bob Wilkerson Lame excuse… Watch dogs will be going up a lot of games in the end of May. Are that afraid of Mario Kart? Sydney Ultrasyd I think it’s a good excuse. That with the fact that they are late on the game. They prefer to focus where they are sure it will sell more. Bob Wilkerson That excuse seemed to work the opposite (or at least worked out the opposite) when it came to Rayman Legends. Ubisoft – Delay a game ONLY on the Wii U to make it for other platforms that have a much larger install base. Still sells best on the Wii U. Do you see the double standard? I see it as a lame excuse. greengecko007 There’s speculation that Rayman Legends has sold better on the PS3. Regardless of where it sold best, I seriously doubt the game would have sold better as a Wii U exclusive earlier than as it has on all platforms combined currently. The real double standard is the Nintendo fans asking why they should wait for Rayman Legends if it is already finished for Wii U, but conplaining about the Watchdogs Wii U delay. MerryBlind . Well maybe, just maybe, Nintendo would have sold more Wii U if it wasn’t for that game drought in the first half of 2013, which Rayman Legends was supposed to fill. So more consoles sold = more Rayman Legends sold on that console too. I believe Rayman’s delay on Wii U hurted the Wii U more than most realized. Not the fact it isn’t an exclusive, just the delay. Luciano To complete your awesome comment, a video from Andrew showing up 48 games that are not available in Wii U but in others plataforms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ig7A-eaZA8 jrob23 very well said. Sadly there are a handful of trolls on here that will find fault in almost everything you said. But don’t listen to them. What people forget is that these 3rd parties have cultivated relationships with Sony and Microsoft and by extension, their gamers, over the years. These gamers have played AC from the get go and AC is actually a pretty decent game (some better than others) so it isn’t asking much for gamers to continue to purchase these games on those systems. Along comes the Wii U and ushers in the HD age for Nintendo. So now Nintendo gamers can be exposed to these great games they might have missed if they never bought another console. Sounds great. It won’t happen overnight though. A user base has to be exposed to a great product and then another and another. Pretty soon they will become day one consumers of each new version. But these 3rd parties are not winning Nintendo fans over because their Wii U version is gimped, late, missing features, poor framerate, etc. and Nintendo gamers for the most part won’t be sold a bill of goods. They expect greatness. Ubi could have really set themselves up for version after version of good sales if they would have kept Rayman Legends an exclusive. They reached a lot of Nintendo gamers with Rayman Origins. Legends could have come at a trying time for Wii U owners who would have gobbled that game up. Especially because it was exclusive and got great ratings. Though, would it have still gotten great ratings if it had stayed that way? I am not so sure with how much hate Nintendo gets from so many gaming websites. After Origins, and then Legends, each new version would be considered a must have for Nintendo fans. It would have become one of those non 1st party ‘go to’ games. But instead, they blew it. The rest is history. Too bad, because of all the 3rd party offerings, Rayman is right in Nintendo’s wheelhouse. It is of such high quality one would think it’s 1st party. What a lost opportunity for Ubisoft. Linksawakeningisazeldagame Rayman Legends sold better on PS4 than on Wii U. Bob Wilkerson Maybe you mean PS3?? I just looked it up again and the Wii U and PS3 were about the same with the PS3 having only slightly more. The game barely sold on the PS4 or XB1 This based off VGChartz http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Rayman+Legends Linksawakeningisazeldagame That’s what I meant. T-X HERE fucking HERE. Stop the hypocrisy and treat alike, alike. Nintendo has always been the scapegoat when it comes to ports. They even use the Wii U gamepad as an excuse to not develop for it even though it’s not a mandatory feature and even Sony are requiring games to be stream compadible where-as Nintendo isn’t, so the Gamepad stream support isn’t an issue either. It’s money, misplaced loyalty and laziness that is the problem. Rob Nintendo has has mentioned that they always have an interest in being different than their competitors. I actually admire that. But, as of right now, they aren’t offering enough to be a “competitive” different. They need to get companies to make different types of games that are fun for a larger audience, like they did with the Wii. Nintendo doesn’t really have to be just like Sony or MS, who offers mostly just third party games. Otherwise, why have 3 console makers just doing the same exact thing? Nintendo needs to regroup and come up with an idea. The gamepad was a great idea in my opinion, but it just hasn’t caught on like they hoped it would have. au8277 As things stand, Ubisoft would be foolish to continue big-budget production on the Wii U. The bigger the budget and the more resources that need to be allocated to finish a Wii U multi-platform release, the less likely it is it to be green-lighted. What Ninty fanatics refuse to realize is that It’s not about Nintendo hate at all; it’s just makes good business sense (at the moment). Given how things have gone sales-wise for Nintendo the past few years, can anybody honestly blame so-called AAA studios for acting snake-bit with the big N? If a studio isn’t even sure they’re going to break even on a project (particularly those being made with PS4/Xbone/PC in mind), why would they spend even more money porting a version to Wii U? I find it much less frustrating to just accept that the Wii U will not be the place to go for expensively-developed, tech-straining, third-party blockbusters. The true system selling showpiece games will have to come from Nintendo and its developers. Michael Hughes That would seem to be Nintendo’s plan, too — not courting the blockbusters you mention. We can only guess what a “quality of life” initiative will look like, but it won’t include trying to beat MS and Sony at their own games, that’s for sure. Nintendo have ceded hardcore gamers to the competition, and I’m not sure it matters. At this point a rich indie ecosystem, leavened by Nintendo’s crackerjack 1st-party stuff, could be enough to make the Wii U a modest success among family/casual players and gamers with enough cash to splurge on multiple consoles. au8277 I completely agree with you here. In the end, I think Nintendo will continue to leverage the great diversity of the kinds of products they offer to audiences. That may not always keep every gamer group happy (besides the most faithful N fans), but it keeps them financially solvent and allows them to continue taking risks in the future (which is good). Once I got over the idea of Wii U (or any modern Nintendo console) being a possible “one-stop shop” for all of my personal gaming needs, I could look at Nintendo more objectively. TheWichi You should put a big (OPINION) in the title if its not a new… tom Okay Ubisoft. You delay Watch dogs, and Rayman Legends. Then you release AC4 with no DLC and somehow Ubi is shocked that the sale figures are low? I have not even started on EA greengecko007 Because Nintendo fanboys spent all last generation posting online how they hate the idea of DLC. MerryBlind . The idea is good. The execution? not so much (most of the time). Steph They probably would have just dropped support for wiiU if Watch Dogs wasn’t far enough along. Nintendo needs to do something to secure third party games, and fast as the future is bleak. Gamingsince75 I am mainly a PC gamer but I did pick up a Wii U because I didn’t see the point in owning a poor mans console that was less powerful but cost more in the long run. I really wouldn’t care at all if Nintendo banned Ea, Ubisoft and a few others from ever putting their crap on the console again. Go look around the web. Why don’t PS4 gamers want an X1 because it doesn’t offer the same experience, yet they turn around and throw hate at Nintendo gamers for not doing just that. Its completely moronic. If Ubisoft announced tomorrow that all online features were removed from Watchdogs on PS4 they would throw a fit but those same fanboys expect Nintendo gamers to be happy with inferior or late ports. I am loving my PC and I enjoy my Wii U. No I don’t buy half assed games and that is never going to change no matter platforms I own. In fact I no longer support Ubisoft or EA on any platform due to their lies, poor games, poor excuses and just overall mistreatment of Wii U owners. Brandon Thats kind of a disrespect to call the playstation and a xbox “a poor mans console”. EA and Ubisoft are bring great games to the table, just cause you dont like it doesnt mean it sucks. Sydney Ultrasyd You guys take that like a personnal disrespect or insult. Didn’t Nintendo delayed DK ? I’m sick of reading “you delayed it and gave not DLC”, it sounds really childish to me. Years ago, we had no DLC, it really sounds like a joke to me when i see DLC announced before the game is released, and people giving money for this kind of things. Good game = I fucking buy it. Don’t care about DLC jokes. Zorpix Activision is doing okay with the Wii U. Skylanders has been doing well on it tom They even released DLC for COD ghost! Zorpix Little miracles Mercurio2054 hehehe Ony The world is spinning upside down. Or at 90° at least, EA is still crap :< gamer4life I think the problem is that the developer don’t know how to work on Nintendo They don’t even bother. I think if Nintendo releases a few great 1st party games that showcase the gamepad, 3rd party developers will come back. And if they don’t take away features from the Wii u version, people will buy it more. Adrian Brown One year ago I was shocked when I saw the living city of Chicago coming from a video game. For 5 minutes I wanted a PS4 to play just THAT game. Then, I was happy as hell to know that this game, Watch_Dogs, was announced for Wii U, which I own. I inmediately went to Amazon an preordered the game, expecting to be playing it at the end of the year. Well, the game was delayed, I was ok with that, but suddenly they announced that ONLY the Wii U version was delayed again just because they want to. Finally, I received an e-mail from Amazon yesterday letting me know that the release date for my preorder was moved to somewhere in 2015. I ended cancelling that preorder, completely dissapointed. ben By which time you will have X and Zelda. Watchdogs will look horrible in comparison. Brandon Look horrible in comparison have you seen the gameplay, the graphics are great. Nintendofreak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBGIi9VA_AI#t=25 jjbredesen So the newer version looks worse? Nintendofreak according to the new vid n a tweet from ubi… the old videos were on a pc capable of running the new engine, and since the ps4 isnt capable of running that engine then it will look like that… ofcourse they didnt say it but they confirmed it was ps4 footage so kinda the same… or they just pulled a alien colonial marines on us Nintendofreak if u dont know then this Brandon The video is Low-quality, but still the graphics look good and so does the gameplay and thats what matters. Sydney Ultrasyd One simple reason to delay Watch Dogs could also be THE RELEASE OF MARIO KART, at the same moment. That would be a very very bad idea. The best way to get low sales actually. As long as the game is nice, I really won’t be upset about a delay. Adrian Brown I know, but releasing the game 6 or 9 months later with no DLC at $60 won’t help either Gentle Robot Probably. ben I’m sick of western developers. They just want to make cakecutter games with the same code for 3-4 systems at a time. Watchdogs is going to be a boring game. Hacking peoples phones is stupid concept. I can already imagine how it will work.. Sending fake texts etc., and then stupid stealth. bizzy gie That’s not how the game will work at all and I seriously doubt it will be boring. The polar opposite actually. ben How do you know? Reading the interviews that is exactly how it will work. If there is someone you need to get past you hack their phone and send a message that they have to go somewhere. Ubi admitted this was rather boring s they delayed the whole game and made it a little less part of the overall structure, however. at its core this is the concept of the game. bizzy gie There’s more to the hacking than just sending messages. You can use it to design the way you want to approach a mission. Technically, you could complete a mission without hacking at all. It’s not being force, but rather strongly emphasized. ben Yes, but Ubi admitted that if there was no one to hack on a mission it kind of made the game just a copy of GTA, without the innovation. Hey, look you maybe want this game. I personally would rather buy X/ bayonetta 2/ Zelda and whatever else is made by a Nintendo/ second party studio. If I really wanted this game I can buy a second hand PS3 I did’nt buy a Wii U to play crappy ports of games that are alreasy dated on release. bizzy gie The game is overall more intelligent and mature than GTA V. The open-world is the only similarity. Both games are honestly incommensurable. Brandon Someone is mad ben Mad that I actually bought an AC game to see what the hype was all about only to find out it was a bigger waste of my time than reading comments on discuss. 🙂 Brandon Did you buy it for the wii u or another console, because I have it for ps4 and its a fun game. ben I got it on the Wii U. The game itself looked great. I just hated the structure of the Missions. I guess I just don’t suit these kind of games. I don’t like being told how to play and what to do, I want to enjoy problem solving and have fun learning ways to do things in my own way. That might seem a bit confusing. To clarify, I want to play a game on my terms, I felt like AC missions didnt allow that. You could say all games have rules, however, I have never felt more suffocated by these rules than on AC. ben Actually, apart from the some cool independent games I’m fine if Ubi go and never come back, their games are mostly boring. Trirulian Thats not the point though, the point is that with this, Nintendo’s big name third parties will mostly be gone. With only indie and first parties to fill the gap ben Good. All the third parties are doing at the moment is damaging the Wii U brand. They release bad ports from the 360 and then complain about poor sales. They are the worst kind of friends you can have. THe kind that insult you. gamer4life I think Nintendo should look to make some studies there’s, like what they did with Platinum games. They should try too buy studios and release games for Wii U exclusively, like Square, Sega, etc. Would be smart. Trirulian Honestly I’m fine if they just made the gamepad a black screen and they didn’t think they needed to use the gimics. It works well on some games but its not the most important to me. They could even just use the pro as the main controller. Makes coding much easier. uPadWatcher At least Ubisoft Bucharest are taking advantage of the Game Pad when making Watch_Dogs… lessens the screen clutter. Trirulian I totally understand that! It’s fine if they really want to do that! But if 3rd parties are gonna complain about having to code for the gamepad they should realize that it can be optional. Gabe Hoffman Another thing is given how cheap it is to port to Wii U as stated by Ubisoft I think a game would only need to sell 40-100k to break even Ubisoft stated it was only the exclusives which weren’t being profitable for them TheRealTruthTeller So, if ubi saw that the wii u version sells a lot, they will keep supporting the wii u? how? the game is coming like 1 or 2 months later, then everyone will compare the sales of the wii u version with every other version and say it flopped, its barely day 1 for christ sake Jaymes Deen Amazon has the launch date as December 2014 Ryan F By my reckoning, if Watch_Dogs Wii U hits half a million or more in sales over a year, there’s a considerably good chance we get the sequel. Same goes for ACIV. Andrew Clear So what is their excuse for continued support of the xbox one. It hasn’t been doing too well either. greengecko007 I’d like to think Ubisoft will still support the Wii U a bit longer. Just Dance and Rayman did bad on all consoles (it’s just not a popular series) and they’ve already invested 2 Assassin’s Creed games. I guess it really just depends on if they plan on supporting last gen consoles, as the gap between the Wii U and PS4/XboxOne is only going to increase as time goes on. Sdudyoy I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, I buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games, I always have and I always will. SkullScience I suspect there is a much bigger story regarding Watch Dogs. I suspect something went seriously wrong in development, hence why the Wii U version went on hiatus, was farmed out and it was all hands to the pump on the most profitable versions. The massive graphics downgrade on the PS4 version indicates to me it is most likely running on an older, pre-existing, engine now, hence the 6 month delay. Naturally, this is all conjecture but it makes most sense to me when you consider it was intended to be a launch title on PS4/XB1. It is not the first time games have had to undergo a complete engine change prior to release. I suspect UBI will still stick with Nintendo in the main. ETeach Probably. But whatever, South Park’s out now. Everything else can wait. jrob23 Truthfully, Nintendo probably should only get the Ubi-Art offerings anyways. There just isn’t a big enough audience for the other games to make it worthwhile for them. I know there are some that do care and want to play these games. But there just aren’t enough of you. Maybe Ubi can focus on more Rayman type games as exclusives for the Wii U seeing as they seem to get what the gamepad can do. That way they still support it and don’t have to worry about the ire from fans. They can make these mature games look and be, just as good as the others but it requires much more time and work to do so, something maybe it’s time to admit, is not worth it. If you want to play these mature games then get one of the other consoles. If you want to pay Mario and Zelda, get a Wii U. Not that difficult to understand nor is it asking too much from consumers. No system has ALL the games. I get that Nintendo was attempting to be that console…but it isn’t working. It was the only one that had a chance though, sadly. Cena’s Smirk did you say there was an NHL launch title for wii u? where can I find that. An NHL game would be the only 3rd party game I care about. linkzero65 there is something fishy about these third party devs. remember E3 2011 when they first shown the trailer? there was a sh*it load of third party devs wanting to work on wii u titles what happend after that? you tell me IMo #microsoft #sony linkzero65 check this video out when i see it now it’s kind of funny but also kind of sad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fldgF3bew1o Normandy I think that’s entirely possible. Even if WiiU makes a comeback, big budget games will not be in production. So sadly yes. 🙁 Dáibhí wotshissurname I think it’s possible. I still hope they are making Ghost Recon Online, though… Goku123 please don’t I am just getting into assassins creed and will probably buy black flag over the summer and then AC 5 when it comes out. I will buy only for the wii u though, not for the PC or anyother console. Sydney Ultrasyd Trust me, Assassin’s Creed V is NOT coming to Wii U. They just have to come on this kind of forum and see how people speak about them, like “I won’t buy their games anymore, they shouldn’t have delayed Rayman, they show no respect to us, we don’t buy half baked ports” … and this gives them a perfect reason to stop bringing games to Wii U. While refusing to buy games, people show them that yes, it won’t sell well. I’m like you, I hate playing on my PC, which I keep for work or serious stuff. And I really want to enjoy Nintendo games + some “modern” games 🙁 Goku123 I agree with you 100% I have more third party titles than Nintendo Titles. And lie you said the games are good and not a slopped up version of the game. I heard that Arkham Origins wasn’t announced until a month or two before the game launched so it could be possible that it is coming. Then again chances are slim. steveb944 Can everyone go and preorder Watch Dogs like right now? The reason we’re losing OUR ONLY third party developer is because Wii U owners DON’T purchase third party titles. I don’t get why Wii U owners complain about support from third party when we don’t even support them in the first place. I just hope Ubi doesn’t leave us in the dust, I want Watch Dogs 2. Mwgly THIS David Trail Most Nintendo fans don’t complain. It’s the casual Nintendo fans that complain. People like me couldn’t care less about multiplats. I can play them on my 360 and a PC when I eventually get one. ExtremeFeminist293 You know, of all the games listed that didn’t make the cut for Wii U, I’m only interested in The Crew and only because I’m longing for a good racing game (which Project CARS will hopefully fulfill). Maybe it’s not so much that 3rd party support on Nintendo consoles suck, maybe the 3rd parties don’t make enough enticing games that owners of Nintendo consoles want to buy? I love platformers. I bought Rayman Origins on PS3 almost three years ago because PS3 didn’t (in my opinion) have any good platformers. Now I have a Wii U and while I enjoyed Origins, I’d never buy Legends. I have so many better platformers to choose from now. Saving up for DKC: Tropical Freeze actually. Totally enjoyed Super Mario 3D World. Loved New Super Luigi U. Excited for stuff like Yarn Yoshi. You know, the stuff why I bought a Wii U for. Lophs Far Cry 4 going to be on last gen systems? Far Cry 3 ran like a POS on ps3 and 360, literally frame rates in the 20s. There is no technical reason why they should be skipping the Wii U. David Trail Ha ha don’t care anyway. Will be too busy playing Nintendo exclusives. Mario Kart 8 is gonna rock! Potemkin To be honest, I’m surprised that Ubisoft is STILL supporting the Wii U…. David Trail More people should support Wii U. The only reasons the games don’t sell in the majority of times is the fact that they made an old port. Potemkin That shouldn’t matter. People were complaining when the Wii didn’t receive AAA ports, because of how weak the system was (for example Dead Rising) which led to very…horrendous ports. Now that they could make the ports they decided to go for the ones Nintendo fans didn’t have access to in the past, and still people complained. I bought the Wii U for the main purpose of letting my son get into the gaming world with easy to access games (Donkey Kong, Mario, Mario Kart), but not because I thought the Wii U would get third party games. After all, Nintendo never really knew how to go along with other developers other than 2nd party devs. David Trail It does matter. Most Nintendo fans have multiple consoles. Putting Mass Effect 3 on the Wii U by itself was pointless! Capt. Smoker I can’t see it being the last, but I can’t see there being many more, we might get exclusives but multiplatform is probably out of the question, considering Nintendo are content to watch 3rd party walk away, I wouldn’t blame them for not bothering in the future, Nintendo are impossible to maintain a partnership after all. David Trail South Park would work really well on Wii U so would Dark Souls. Games like COD will not. Nintendo fans have distinct tastes in games. That’s why they don’t buy a lot of the third party garbage on Nintendo systems. I mean you have us Mass Effect 3 by itself. Even PS4 and Xbox One are getting the trilogy. Put some effort and games will sell regardless on Wii U. Bob Wilkerson And had they (3rd party) made their stance 2 months after a console was released to not support the console fully then gamers may be more inclined to support them. Diaz I’m not really much interested in whether or not 3rd party developers make games for the Wii U. All I know is that if a game is good then I’m going to buy it and play it. I preordered Watch_Dogs last summer only to have it delayed and through that the excitement killed for me. I’m going to buy it though. Luke Fon Fabre So what. Im tired of you people arguing about third party support for the Wiiu and acting like you guys know what to do to fix Nintendo’s Wiiu problem. Just wait let nintendo fix their own problem. Besides every one seems to have forgotten what they said last year. Capt. Smoker Agreed, leave Nintendo to do nothing, remain oblivious, enjoy the great games they give you, all this business talk is depressing NkoSekirei um ashely no one gives a fk for Ea not how they treated nintendo by trying to force origin down our throats which no one likes and they threw a royal tantrum over it GregoryTheRainMaker Probably but Nintendo will manage to survive …that’s the only thing Nintendo knows how to do. I care more about getting great games on the system when possible, so I can have a good gaming experience from Nintendo for the Wii U’s entire life cycle..how long that may be.. David Trail Nintendo are the only games company who can survive without multiplats. Imagine PS4 without multiplats. The exclusives can’t sustain the PS4 alone but Nintendo exclusives can. PS the majority of multiplats so far have been garbage and the rest are on 360/ ps3/ Xbox one/ PC Enjoying Thief, thought not lol! greengecko007 “the majority of multiplats so far have been garbage and the rest are on 360/ ps3/ Xbox one/ PC” Yes, multiplatform games are actually on multiple platforms, it’s amazing how that works. David Trail Don’t need a ps4 lol! Brandon Playstation has amazing exclusives and so does xbox, your just not into those types of games, but doesnt they suck. TBH I like nintendo games, but I rather have a handful of 3rd party multiplats then a handful of nintendo exclusives. David Trail By a PC. Brandon Why would I need one when I a ps4, the graphics are already good and im guaranteed all 3rd parties and the dlc. Jonathan George Anaya Nintendo will HAVE to kill off the WiiU after Ubisoft deserts it… I was reading an Article static that Nintendo is losing BILLIONS because of the WiiU. Games like Pikmin (which should be selling tens of millions hit a million, max. Tropical Freeze sold 10x WORSE than the Wii version and New Mario WiiU sold 20 million units WORSE than the Wii version. Nintendo is in a hard spot; kill the WiiU to make a profit and gain an install base. But, if they do, they anger the most LOYAL of Nintendo fans… And lose them to Sony and Ms forever Bob Wilkerson NIntendo is losing Billions? Please link me to that article because it is a lie. Maybe billions of yen but that is only a very small fraction of the billions of dollars that MS and Sony lose every year. greengecko007 Yeah, this seems farfetched. Pikmin isn’t even popular. I like the series, but it’s pretty niche. I can’t trust a source saying it should have sold 10 million. Rinslowe I’m surprised given the niche nature of Pikmin, that it sold that well so far. I also think more people should give Pikmin a try. And if they did, the confusion on it’s appeal would be gone in a puff of awesome. But just thinking it doesn’t make the act a reality. A source expecting Pikmin to sell 10m copies should be relabeled “a sauce” instead. It’s no credible place for gaming news… Jonathan George Anaya MarioWii= 26 million units x $40 profit (when sold to retailers) = 1.04 Billion DOLLARS Mario WiiU = 2.6 million x $50 profit (when sold to retailers) = 130 million Dollars That’s just New Mario Bros Wii compared to the WiiU version. Would you like to compare WiiFit vs WiiUFit? Or how about Donkey Kong Wii vs DK:TF? Mario Galaxy sales vs Mario World? Or Twilight Princess vs WindWakerHD? Nintendo is losing billions on software sales due to the low install base and they know it Bob Wilkerson Everyone should note they should not take any financial advice from this guy. He clearly does no know what he is talking about. You are comparing games that are less than a year old with the exception of Super Mario Bros U which is 15 months old to games that sold for 5+ years to achieve those sales. A couple of the games you list are not even a month old. On top of that all you are using for your basis is MSRP price and you have no information on how much it cost to develop and distribute to calculate a profit. Over the last couple years Nintendo has lost maybe 600 million dollars and not billions. Go back to school and learn basic math Jonathan George Anaya No no no. Simple Math. I assume you didn’t get a GED and can calculate figures, eh? Those are Not the MSRP; those are what Nintnedo sells copies to stores. Mario Wii is sold to you at $50 a unit; but, the retailer wants a piece of that sale for stocking it. Mario Wii is sold from Nintendo to Target at $40. Nintendo doesn’t care if that game sells or not; they already made their “supply” chain profit allocating units to Target. Target then turns around and utilizes Demand to sell their newly acquired good to consumers at a price tag of $50. Target makes money off that sale to you; Target is happy that they made money predicting demand for Nintendo’s products. What IF there was no demand for Nintendo WiiUs? Target just paid $40 to Nintendo for the right to stock a good that consumers are not buying…. Target lost $40…. …so, to make up that money, they CLEARANCE the item to prices that do earn them a return (albeit, far less than the initial investment) So, after you buy your clearance Wii U product, Corporations notice the lost revenue and STOP STOCKING SAID FAILED PRODUCTS. Hence, all the ill-will retailers have towards stocking Wii U products. Anyone else need to be schooled around here? greengecko007 That’s revenue, as in money generated, not profit, which would be affected by the overall cost put into those games. Jonathan George Anaya Very true. But even Nintendo has admitted to higher development costs due to the transition to HD visuals… So, they were able to sell more units last gen for a lower development cost. That’s how the Wii was printing money for 6 years GregoryTheRainMaker Most of what you are saying is border line idiotic, but Nintendo isn’t losing Billions from the Wii U. David Trail Fool nexxus6 Did you just write down whatever thought entered your brain without considering any sort of facts? Yikes. sd I think it could be the last big title on the Wii U. But for all those that might get annoyed at Ubisoft stop and think. Without Ubisoft imagine how bad things would really be on the Wii U. Ubisoft have supported the console and released a huge number of games. No other company has supported the Wii U in the same way. GregoryTheRainMaker Hmmmmm…you forget Warner Bros. and Activision supports Nintendo. Sega supports Nintendo, and I believe Capcom does as well. Your assumption is incorrect. sd No I didnt forget. But Ubisoft is the biggest supporter with regards to the number of games on the system. They currently have around 11+ games out for the Wii U. Warner bros would have approximately 6 games and activision and sega have a couple each. Ubisoft have done a great job of supporting the Wii U up to now. So I stick by my comment about no other company supporting the Wii U in the same way. GregoryTheRainMaker I take into account all these companies combined play a bigger role than just Ubisoft, because with Activision they have given Nintendo Black Ops ,Call Of Duty Ghost, and Skylanders which has sold well on Nintendo’s platform. I wouldn’t be narrow minded in diminishing what these companies give because some of them also contribute to the 3DS besides just the Wii U. Your point is to try to diminish what the other companies contribute by singling out just Ubisoft. I think Ubisoft is important, but the companies as whole do more than just Ubisoft. I…I know for sure with Sega..Bayonetta 2 and Sonic Boom are coming to the Wii U. Don’t forget the Wonderful 101 and Sonic: Lost World also titles for the Wii U. sd No you missed my point altogether. My point wasn’t to single any developer who has supported the Wii U out in a negative way. Maybe I should have made myself more clear. The other support is important. My point was actually to try and stop people coming onto this article and moaning about Ubisoft and their lack of respect for the Wii U.Every time an article like this surfaces I see people bashing the companies that are actually supporting the Wii U. When in actual fact they have supported it quite well up to now. Ubisoft have been the biggest supporter and deserve credit rather than negativity, which was my point. But yes other companies have offered support as well. Dark-Link73 Ok, this is NOT a rumor on my part nor speculation, but I just went to Gamestop to pre-order Watch_Dogs and the manager told me that it was moved up! So I told him, “the Wii U version?” and he said “yeah.” So then I told him, “but it was delayed.” for which he replied, “Yeah, it was delayed until July, but it got moved back to May 27th.” So I again, in disbelieve, I asked him again, “for the Wii U.” And said “Yeah!” I know Gamestop and stores usually have “place holders” for game release dates, but he was real sure about it. He even showed me the screen on the computer that showed the date. Ubisoft still has a release delayed for Wii U, however, we MIGHT still get it on time as the other consoles. Which can be a good or a bad thing. IF is true what Ubisoft said about delaying the game but still release it on May 27th with the other consoles, then is bad for us because it means they are rushing the Wii U version because the back-lash from the public. BUT, if they (Ubisoft) lied about the delay only because they thought their game could not compete against MK8, then it’s good for us because we’ll be getting the game on May 27th just like everybody else. Either way I’m not holding my breath on the game being released on May 27th. I rather wait for the game to be properly developed than get a version that was rushed and released on time just because the spoiled behavior of impatient gamers. Kyle Of course I’m the only man standing here, but I like the Assassin’s Creeds on the Wii U than I do on any other console. The improvements with the gamepad they made from III to IV, however small, are enough to convince me that an Assassin’s Creed V would be almost perfectly like a first-party Wii U game. It’d be a shame if a potential V never reaches the console, though. Juilen Cardenas I REALLY HOPE UBISOFT DOESNT ABANDON THE WII U! UBISOFT”S GAMES ARE AMAZING, UNLIKE EA’S CRAP. #capsrage #true Dave Seriously, quit using Ghosts as an example of poor sales. That has little to do with the Wii U, and all to do with Activisions apathy. They didn’t market that game. poor sales are their own fault. Brandon Olson Dudebro gamers have kinda ruined this gaming generation. If it’s graphics don’t make your eyes melt or it doesn’t involve realism/shooting, it’s hard to get attention. Annoys the heck out of me. 🙁 wiimenonowiiu I really enjoy playing ubisoft games on the wiiu zombie u was a great game a little short buy still great the use of the pad was awsome no pause to change items in my bug out bagac3 and 4 was good on the wii u map was always in my hand i hope ubisoft does not take the route of not supporting the wiiu nintendo really needs to get their act together its not hard to build on their best commercial of wii would like u to play to wii would like U to play with the all new wii U starwars360 Nintendo will be fine, Mario Kart 8 will boosts Wii U sales up and next gen Nintendo console will have all third-party developers and publishers returns to Nintendo. I am sure. Nintendo will must bringing hardcore console like PS4 and XB1. 😛 I loving Wii U continue with first party games and indie games. 🙂 David Trail Ps4 and Xbox One are far from hardcore. They are very casual consoles. NyallJodhan Apparently, running around with a gun shooting ‘people’ you’ve never met is hardcore. And the more ‘kills’ you record, the more ‘hardcore’ you are! Rinslowe There’s more than one obvious reason why third parties are shy of Nintendo’s console right now. It’s not as simple as some people think. And I don’t see that Nintendo are going to win back third party support on Wii U – at this point. But that doesn’t mean, Nintendo or Wii U are without options. They’re arguably just without action… The more I think about it, the more I am certain Nintendo investing in both a few new studio’s and more exclusive third party titles is the only way for them to now reach broad consumer appeal. I don’t think even their own phenomenal first party titles will be enough to carry the system to a “wide success”. And neither are the reasons for third parties lack of support due to easily solvable circumstances. So just increasing Wii U’s install base is not gong to be enough to bring back third party’s in a way that guarantees the games are ported or made with the right amount of effort, manpower and optimisations. Regardless of the fact that third parties are 50/50 to blame in this, by releasing watered down ports @ higher cost to the consumer – it still does not change the result of Wii U’s situation now. Neither does accepting “all facts” change the situation for Wii U in the future. Nintendo I believe, needs to think more offensively. Fund a few more smart exclusives and ensure the job is done right. Give gamer’s more reason than Bayo 2 to own a Wii U for exclusive third party content. Make it more compelling despite the extra cost in doing so. Go shopping for another Retro/ Monolith Soft – a studio that is equally talented but equally different in the same way those two studios are. And continue to push the first party titles out together with more confirmed HD remakes… The third party ship in the conventional sense has sailed in my opinion… Time to think how to bypass their decisions and make Wii U a broad success without that conventional support. It’ll cost the Wii U and Nintendo for most of this generation. And short sighted investors be damned. But it will put Nintendo in a much better position with consumers going into the next generation. Both PS4 and Xbox One are proof of that pudding… NyallJodhan Another good write up. That will help indeed, what you said, but again I say, only partly. Nintendo can take all those steps, but without advertising, nobody is going to know they did! I say again, they need a solid advertising blitz. Look what Samsung did with $1.2B in one year: now Android and Samsung names are synonymous! There are too many people out there that don’t know about the Wii U. Also! Nintendo needs to remove the dimwit idea of a Wii Mini and disappear ALL Wiis from the market! I will never understand how they could have developed another similarly named SKU to compete with their own Wii U! I mean, the Wii U is backwards compatible with the Wii library, for goodness sake! Marketing can never be emphasised enough. Rinslowe I totally agree. Marketing properly is also a great way for Nintendo to improve consumer perception. And in the gaming space, I think Sony naturally does this very well. Having said that, Nintendo doesn’t need to have a motion picture division to ensure their tv adverts etc… are up to scratch. There’s plenty of companies out there specialising in exactly that – effective marketing… Also completely agree about the Wii mini. It’s…. ?? ?? Luciano About the excuses of Ubisoft I just have one thing to say… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59KLwf08znY&list=UU5vr0weBERzaP_V9ciK2tSg Jeovany When this sales horribly is when ubisoft will drop the support Adam Fox Will it be Ubisoft’s last big budget title for the Wii U? Possible…who’s fault is it? Ubisoft…..if Watch Dogs is released on other platforms BEFORE its released on Wii U, people that want it will get it on the other platforms…delaying the release on the Wii U and then blaming the system for its poor sales of certain titles is NOT Nintendo or the Wii U’s fault…..stripping away DLC, delaying and canceling titles is NOT Nintendo’s fault….its the 3rd Party’s fault….nothing at all to do with Nintendo. Ubisoft needs to stop blaming Nintendo, and so do other 3rd Party’s…..when you release your games later, cancel releases, and as much as I hate DLC; do w/o the DLC only on Nintendo…..its the 3rd parties fault….I love my Wii U and I would probably get more games for it, but if I know I can get more CONTENT out of the PS3 version, why would I get the Wii U version? Is it MY fault for getting the PS3 version of the Wii U version b/c I can get more content? Jeovany But it’s nintendo falut. The reason why third parties are doing this is because its not profitable. Honestly I think ubisoft’s getting to much hate for this decision. It would have made more business sense to releases it as a buggy piece of crap instead of using the money to fix it. Nintendo had a whole year to increase the install base of the wii u and they failed. Now their facing the consequence of their action. Rinslowe It’s not just Nintendo’s fault here. That would be a gross oversimplification of the facts. Neither is it all third parties problem either. But they are equally to blame… ” It would have made more business sense to releases it as a buggy piece of crap” It never makes more business sense or just sense in general to release buggy pieces of crap. Not unless you’ve priced accordingly and market your product just as accurately, with the intention to make money through quantity instead of quality. The fact the third party companies have been selling their games at a premium with less features and less quality in performance how could they possibly think of selling at quantity?? It’s actually the opposite of sense… aka; “senseless” Jeovany I put all the blame on Nintendo because its their console and its there job to make sure it sales well. Yeah at launch it had pretty crappy third party support but where was Nintendo’s first party support. Even after launch they had a year to boast up the wii u install base and they failed. They did such a poor good of marketing it that people though the wii u was an add on to the wii. Also it does make more sense to releases an buggy game if you know the sales are going to be the same weather the game is good or not because it cheaper. Look at all the movie game that get released. 90% of them suck but they still sale well. Plus the wii u version is going to account for such a small fraction of the sales it was probably better to never even make the game on the wii u. Marcus Larsson Im with you, Microsoft and Sony trows money at the third partys to lock there participation at launch. Nintendo does nothing with their 20 billion in savings nexxus6 Last time I checked, the WiiU had a bigger install base than the Xbone. I highly doubt that will change by the time Watch Dogs releases. Jeovany Your might right but titan fall will probably make the xbox one surpass the wii u. But how many people on the wii u will actually buy watch dogs. The numbers probably alot lower then the xbox one Jeovany True but how many people on the wii u will actually buy watch dogs compared to people on the xbox one. Beside the xbox onel will probably surpass the wii u once titan fall comes out. nexxus6 I do not believe Titanfall will sell an additional 2.5 million systems to catch the WiiU. I could be wrong though. Dallas Gooch It sucks that Nintendo is losing third party support but honestly i have never gotten the Nintendo version of a multiplatform game since the gamecube. Like some people here are saying, if the company isn’t trying to make a version of the game that stands out and appeals to gamers then why bother? I’m not one to bitch about graphics and power but the Wii ports of multiplatform games had horrible graphics and the gameplay was usually butchered as well to boot. The other versions looked more appealing and more people were familiar with the controls. Maybe if third parties made exclusives they’d do better but otherwise it’s a wasted effort sadly. Christian Schoff It’s total bogus. They were willing to delay Rayman so that they could slap it onto every other system. Mark Bruce I sure hope not, Ubisoft makes some of my favorite games period. I played through all the Assassin’s Creeds, Prince of Persias, Splinter Cells, You name it. I love Ubisoft almost as much as I love Nintendo, so please stay on Wii U! Phaz0n Everyone who is able to buy Watch Dogs for the Wii U should buy it, and I mean EVERYONE!!! NyallJodhan <—-patiently awaiting it's arrival in stores… Suraj Alexander doen my part. Pre ordered Dedsec Dylan Groot I’m a big Nintendo fan and I hate to see them fail, but they really shot themselves in the foot this time. They made so much money on the Wii, it’s production costs being a lot lower than PS3 and XBOX360, so they could’ve gone all out this time on a monster machine. Even if it meant losing some money on every bought console. They would have swayed the whole gaming community. But no, they chose hardware that most developers grew tired of. Imagine if you were a developer in the 8 bit to 16 bit area, and instead of putting out a 16 bit machine, with all its capabilities to squeeze the hell out of your creativity, a company puts out another 8 bit machine, but only with a cool controller. What would you do? I’d for sure dive into the wonderous pool of 16 bit and explore all its new possibilities. I almost want Nintendo to fail at this moment, so that they realise they have done something horribly wrong and have to get with the times. Nintendo is super important for gaming, it would be a shame if they’d get washed out. It’d kill me! Save you and save me Ninty! Andrew Baines its not all Nintendo fault its all down to the game devs , Nintendo gamers are not going to buy watered down games that’s a fact,./ let me ask u lot out there if u and 10 of ur mates whent out to a pub whent to the bar for a pint of lager but the top brand lager £2.70 was watered down and the cheap lager £1.80 was full strength which lager would u go for ..now all game devs need to get there heads together and think what there doing .peace Morgan Mollwing It would be a bit sad to se another 3rd party go. But they would likely come back if the install base got higher. Two things that I see as problems for WiiU right now is the lack of commercials on tv and and the fact that WiiU is so much considered a childrens and family console just like the Wii. Nintendo has so much higher quality in hardware and games then Sony and Microsoft that I can´t believe that people isn´t chosing WiiU. I still have the same Wii that I bought a few months after it´s launch and it still works despite all the hours that has been played on it. Raise your hand all who bought Xbox 360 at launch and has had no problem with it! Saw an imported Xbox One in a store (hasn´t been released in Sweden yet) thought it would be cool to have one, but then I heard that people are having problems with it too. Patrick Star WiiU WiiU WiiU……Spingebill I see him…….on the intersection of Conch and Coral……. Patrick Star Wumbo SuperAndroid66 I think that Nintendo knew the Wii’s sales were starting to fall and there was no way it could compete with the Xbox One and the PS4 when they inevitably arrived. As a result they came up with the Wii U which I believe was designed to be a stop gap between the Wii and their next console. By releasing over a year before the other two, i believe this gave Nintendo the jump on MS and Sony. Come 2016 when Nintendo will probably show the new system for the first time it will be light years ahead of the Xbone and PS4 (Remember the Xbone and the PS4 will only be a quarter of the way through their life cycle ). View the Wii U as a bridging console between the Wii and the new console, an experiment or an amalgamation of ideas to see what works and what doesn’t. Oh! and yes, Watchdogs is the last throw of the dice for Ubisoft regarding the Wii U. fireheartis1 I know it doesn’t count now, but I still plan on buying Rayman Legends and Assassin’s Creed 4: Black Flag. I just haven’t had the money for them yet. Once I get enough money to own them I will be purchasing them brand new. Then I’m buying Watch Dogs when it comes out as well. I’m hoping Ubisoft brings another Red Steel out for the Wii U exclusively. It seems when Ubisoft brings exclusives it sells ok. Of course I didn’t buy ZombieU because I’m not into horror games. Other Ubisoft games though I’ll buy when I have the money. leafsfan73 I would definitely say big budget 3rd party is gone. No return on investment. Why would I wait for the delayed version on my wii when I could play it earlier on my one? Really, heavy 3rd party support has been gone since the SNES. On a side note, I can’t help but think things would have been different if Rayman would have came out when it was supposed to. There was a huge drought of games for the Wii U at the time and I know it would have sold a million copies easy. I had it pre-ordered. Wighead I hate to say it but it will probably be the last big third party title on the Wii U for a while. I have a business and, no, companies don’t have to bleed to make a product that doesn’t sale well. I completely understand the business decision made by the big Publishers/developpers. I’m a Nintendo fan, but I hate the way they see their business relation with the big third parties, it’s not like the 90’s anymore were you could have success by making a game in your basement with four friends. Now you have hundreds of people workings on a game with engineers and mathematician making complexe formula for realistic effects. They need support from the console manufacturer to facilitate the process. Why spend millions on a game when even Nintendo is not showing interest? Nintendo needs to get their s**t together and fast. Having good business relation takes a long time to make but only a few mistake to break. They should know it by now. zajac1661 I seriously hope that this game will be a household for wiiu owners. If this game sells bad, then there is no hope for any big third party titles. classicgamer20 To be honest I couldn’t care less about this game. I might buy it so Ubi doesn’t abandon us. Mj78 Wii u has been balled up by Nintendo. You cannot blame third parties. Nintendo is a bit like Royston vaysey. A local console for local people. Mj78 If you are a not a Nintendo fan, why would you buy a wii u. Simple. Nintendo does not appeal to the mass market of home consoles any more. Kidicarus1 I think what everyone is forgetting about Nintendo is that they are innovators. This console was just a fluke, and that can be expected of some of their consoles. All of their consoles are new ideas, some fail, and some do extremely well. While I agree Nintendo should drop the whole family look, I still believe they should keep making Mario, and donkey kong titles. Also the featured comment is 100% right. The wii u is failing whether we like it or not. We just need to wait for nintendo’s next big idea and hope that it is successful. I guess the world just isn’t ready for the wii u quite yet. metalpants I’m actually OK with this, lol. It’s the only Ubisoft title I’m interested in ATM (I already got most of the other Wii U ones), so you know… it’s a nice “good-bye present”. I don’t blame them for abandoning Wii U (if they’re actually about to do that). There’s already too much to look forward to this year anyway so I don’t mind missing a couple of fairly generic, mainstream brocore titles here or there. Dcj91x Let’s see.. Rayman Legends, Assassin’s Creed 3/4.. weren’t all of these considered better on the WiiU than the other home consoles? And if that’s the case and Watchdogs WiiU follows as being the better game, wouldn’t it help Ubisoft more by delaying the WiiU version to increase sales on the other systems? Just saying.. People are so easy to turn there back and find fauly with Nintendo and the WiiU but when it comes down to it the WiiU is the only system that actually offeres a variety of ways to play a single game. With the gamepad, the CCP, Wimote and so on.. The other two systems are basically the same thing with a different company logo. Those who have spent time and taken the time to make make good games for the WiiU have shown that it can do great games… Let’s se how Monoliths X and Bayonetta 2 and Project Cars are on the WiiU. Main difference in the WiiU and other systems though is that Nintendo doesn’t need to rely on 3rd party games the 2nd bigg difference is that Nintendo offers more of a variety of games that the other systems do not. Right now you pretty much get the same New games on both the xbox and playstation where nintendo always has games they don’t. Personally I think all 3 systems should have their own variety and mix of games that the other systems don’t repeat. Ben English At this point it just doesn’t make any financial sense. The Wii U would have to have one hell of a turn-around in terms of third party attach rate for developers to take notice. JG Of my 13 Wii U disc games, 7 are “3rd party”, but I guess the average person isn’t the same. Its a vicious cycle; I’ve heard that people won’t buy them because the developers are leaving out features, but the developers won’t put the effort in without any return. One side has to give in first and it won’t be a company who is there for profit… T-X NEWS FLASH Ubisoft (and other money-drunk triple-A devs): Shitty ports only garner shitty sales. It’s your own lazy-ass fault that sales are crap on the Wii U. Full-priced half-assed ports, delaying previous exclusives for the sake of irrelevant ports and then delaying a port and not other irrelevant ports.