Earlier today we reported on the new multiplayer feature for Batman: Arkham Origins and how it won’t be available on Wii U. Many of you insisted that the mode would be available at a later date and that the exclusion of the Wii U in the announcement didn’t mean anything. A Warner Bros. spokesperson has addressed the concerns of Wii U users, explaining why the Wii U multiplayer was left out. “MP will be available for Xbox 360, PS3 and PC. The team is focusing development efforts on platforms with the largest MP audience.” So there you have it. Splash Damage is focusing their development efforts on the platforms with the largest multiplayer audience, which apparently excludes Wii U. local_offer Batman: Arkham Origins Nintendo warner bros. interactive wii u stars Further Reading Nintendo loses patent appeal, ordered to pay Nintendo was brainstorming about Switch when Zorpix So make a multiplayer game for the system and BUILD that audience. Seriously it’s like all these devs just want success HANDED to them. discuss I think you should take some business classes. D.M.T You and your business classes bullshit. He´s right, devs want everything handed to them discuss You and your totally unrealistic view of reality. Shaise These devs are the ones with an unrealistic view of reality discuss The Wii U is Nintendo’s product and not a Warner Bros product. Please explain to me why Warner Bros should make sure that a Nintendo product is succesfull? That is Nintendo’s job. Mariokartfann In a way, they should. BUT Wb and others need to help! discuss I’m expecting internet kids to understand economics … what was I thinking!? Mariokartfann I’m not a kid, I’m a teen. Doesn’t mean I don’t know economics 😉 David Porter Actually, it *absolutely* means you can’t comprehend economics, because you’re not personally invested. You’re certainly not invested in the same way that I, an adult, with a mortgage, a car, a full time job, student loan payments, etc, can be. You have such a limited view of economics (that’s not an insult; it is simply a fact that you should be happy to revel in while you can) that you actually said what you just did. It’s amazing. Mariokartfann Actually, I BUY everything *I* need at the store. I’m an owner of a car, and I work a part time job during the summer. I’m a year away from college too, so have to save a bit up for that. David Porter Again, it’s not meant as an insult to say that you don’t have the *same* comprehension of economics (perhaps I should have used the word “same”)– while you very admirably manage as much of your personal finances as could reasonably be expected of a teenager, if you lost your job, you’d still have a home. You don’t have kids (presumably), and so have no one you’re responsible for. The entire equation really does substantively change once you’re in the position of total responsibility. You cannot know what that means, and all of the repercussions of that until you experience it. Mariokartfann True, but I have SOME responsibility, that is what I was pointing out. Most parents don’t do that ever, I’m glad mine do, even though it was hard at first. True I won’t have FULL power until I move out, but at least I have some skill in saving/buying, right? David Porter Most certainly, and that means that you are WAAAAAAAAY the hell ahead of the game, in comparison to your peers. I congratulate you on that. I guess I am particularly piqued by talk of the economics of the gaming industry, because, obviously the people who participate in it (from the devs down to the gamers) inhabit a large age range. It’s important to understand that the economics of being a consumer are important, just as the economics of being a development or publishing house may preclude you from doing what would be “awesome” in the service of what is “right” for your company, your family, and yourself. I just get sad when people here, or any other gaming site, lay blame either on Nintendo, or on third party publishers for not doing something they want (like releasing Mother 3 on the VC, or releasing Multiplayer for Batman, in this instance), when the reality of the economics dictate that they cannot do it in any reasonable or economically responsible way. Companies answer to someone (a “royal WE” of investors), just as you currently answer to your parents (and they must be pretty awesome parents to have raised a responsible and conscientious young adult). Money is, in itself, worthless, but our ability to manage it says much about our character. You’re going to be a kick ass adult. Mariokartfann Haha I hope david jarman You’re on the Internet just like those “kids” are, but in some cases you’ve manage to be more immature on some of your previous comments on other threads. discuss In that case we have something in common david. david jarman Actually we have nothing in common. I don’t seek out and purposely start Internet fights, but I getting tired of people like you trolling. Unlike you I appreciate all consoles and gaming. Unlike you who manages to just troll a site and wait for the perfect time to shed some ignorance and disrespect towards others and its communities. Unlike you there isn’t a new personality disorder that describes my online behaviors. discuss I will always stay civil unless the other starts namecalling. There is no need to take a moron seriously. Your well written insults are still insults David. Nice trolling. david jarman So provoking fights is civil? Yeah, nice try! Think harder! discuss You call me a immature kid, troll, ignorant and disrespectfull in just 2 posts. I think you are looking into a mirror. david jarman Sorry if I weren’t efficient. It should have just taken 1 post. Here’s the difference between you and I! I don’t go to other fansites and insult the community, and the only time I come up with witty insults were to those who being extremely offensive to begin with. Like you. The first time I responded to you is when you decided to just basically call us all idiots for liking the wii u and then you proceed with your doom and gloom rant. I’m just going to ignore you. Enjoy! discuss I have a Wii U. I like my Wii U. The only thing I did was defending Warner Bros choise not to implement a multiplayer on the Wii U version of their game. The only thing you do is get upset because you hear someone say something you don’t want to hear. Well if you don’t like free speach I suggest you don’t look at the comment section. david jarman I’m referring to you thinking that we’re all kids here cause we don’t all agree with you. Free speech does not mean free to insult. discuss Like the 10 people who insulted me before I wrote that? Yeah turn a blind eye to that because you agree with their point of view. Your such a hypocrite david. I also like it how you change posts after I replied to them to make yourself look less stupid. david jarman I didn’t change I added, you replied while I was adding. Me adding doesnt change your response and we are all hypocrites cause you turn a blind to all that just trash talk. Most the people here probably remember you just trolling. discuss “I didn’t change I added” ….. do I really need to explain whats wrong with this sentance? You consider defending me defending my opinion as trolling. The word “trolling” seems to be your only argument anyways. Although I don’t think you can actually consider that an argument to begin with. If you look at it that way there is only 1 troll here and that’s you! david jarman I never changed my core answer you fucking moron, I added to what else I wanted to say. I guess that was too much for you to comprehend. Maybe if you swallow your pride and shrunk you ego you could see past yourself and fully read the words on the screen, grabbed them, let them sink and absorb into your fucking mind and realize you over the past few times on here you have come off as trollish and pushy.I never trolled anyone here and I don’t start shit. I never said defending yourself is trolling, but your previous attack on people and comments on other threads would suggest you are. david jarman “Your such a hypocrite david” Shouldn’t it be, “You’re such a hypocrite, David.” Maybe you should use the “edit” function as well so that you to can look less stupid. david jarman You know what? I’m gonna give this a try and see how you respond to it? I’ve had time to cool down and I’m going to apologize for what I said early this morning and yesterday. So, I’m asking for forgiveness and lets move on. If you feel that you still need to give me a tongue lashing because of what said today then it is well deserved. discuss Well in that case apology accepted and let’s forget about it. If you get annoyed by my bad English I must apologize but this is the best I can do. Foreign languages have always been my weakness but I’m trying hard to turn it into a strength. Lets start fresh: Why do you think Warner Bros should implement a Wii U multiplayer (from a business point of view)? david jarman Well, to build up a strong customer relationship with nintendo fans. You stated that online is an add feature to draw sales. They should do the same for us. They should try to draw sales from us. It maybe nintendos console, but wb isnt trying to sell the console they need to try to sell the game to us and make it look as appealing as possible. What they are really worried about is that nintendo fans wont buy third party games, over first party. Activison already made a statement about this concerning black ops2 sales. If that’s the case then make their games better, don’t give us a partial experiences. They already taking risks by developing in the first place, they are setting themselves up for failure by removing this feature and telling us a couple months before launch. Besides, they don’t use dedicated servers for most console games. Example is any Cod no they are not dedicated servers there is no reason for your NAT:strict/moderate/open to be appearing if they were using dedicated servers. discuss Yes, online gameplay is an added feature. However will it really make a difference in sales? Batman games are known for their great single player campeigns. The multiplayer won’t effect the single player so not having a multiplayer won’t make it feel like the game is incomplete. I don’t think Warner Bros simply rubbed their belly and decided not to implement it. They will have looked at the development costs, the costs of an online network, the expected extra sales and the amount of sales needed to get to the break-even-point. If the outcome would be positive I’m sure they would have implemented the online multiplayer. Also, Warner Bros doesn’t need Nintendo to do well. They still have the XBOX 360, PS3 and PC to sell their games on. All of those have with great online communities which the Wii U lacks. After a few months they will have the XBOX ONE and PS4 also available to them. In conclusion I would say Warner Bros doesn’t need Nintendo to do well. There is no need for them to take risks. They can let Nintendo handle the risks and build the online playerbase and jump on board when it finally looks profitable. This will sound harsh for Nintendo lovers but it’s simple business. It’s about earning money and losing as least money as possible. It’s not about being a nice guy. david jarman Yes and no. They’re going to do well with other two consoles and turn a profit for each console, but if they put time and resources in the wii u and less people purchase it due to lack of features and content. They are going to lose money from it as well. At least that’s the way I see it, but you’re right the story is the meat of the game and to be honest I’m kind of tire of online gaming. greengecko007 Calm down, and reread the entire conversation. The fact, you came in with the mudslinging and insults first. You, and many others on Wii U daily will oneday learn that somebody who simply disagrees with you and has a different point of view isn’t a “troll”, and they aren’t breaking any rules on this forum by expressing their opinion in a respectful way. david jarman This goes way back and yes he did insult. Maybe it’s you who has no idea whats going on. He use to insult on here and not really add to the conversation, but provoke. greengecko007 Stay relevant and in the present. Insulting somebody because of what they did in the past isn’t right either. In this particular conversation, you started with the namecalling. Just friendly advice from a stranger. david jarman No he called us kids for not sharing the same view and I simply said he was immature. Then it blossomed. greengecko007 A kid is not an insult, and the person he was talking to even admitted they were a teenager, which is still a kid in many parts of the world. Calling somebody immature for expressing an opinion that you don’t agree with is hurtful. david jarman The way he stated it was plural referring to the rest of us and the manner he used it in was to imply that we are too immature to know anything. Stop making excuse for him cause even in his own response he admits to insulting. I don’t mind debates. When I didn’t share the same views with you did I go and insult. I understand you have your own opinion and I have mine. His response with we are the same is what brought up the past cause I explained to him why were not. greengecko007 Again, refer back to the beginning of this conversation. He was personally attacked first. Just friendly advice, take it however you want, which seems to be ignoring it. I don’t claim to be any better. I’ve lost my temper in frustration on occasions and have come across as rude before too, so I understand that it happens. dporter6 Sure there is- it’s called “white knighting”. Mercurio2054 like me and my wife? 30 and 29 years? Madmagican true, but you gotta realize that adding the multiplayer part to the Wii U version would just be a drop in the bucket to WB it’d be easy and relatively cheap discuss I’m quite sure they made calculations that showed them otherwise. Do you actually own a Wii U game with online functions? I play a lot of ME3 online with a friend of mine but rarely someone joins. Madmagican Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate not to mention Miiverse technically counts David Porter Hint: When you have to say “technically” to qualify an on-line experience, you’re proving the other guys’ point. david jarman Black ops has grown. Metal_Man_v2 Has it? I didn’t get the Wii U version of Black Ops II, but I go to the Miiverse community fairly often to look at the awesome player cards people have made. But about half of the posts in the community always seem to be people begging for more players to join whatever game mode they want to play. david jarman It’s gotten a lot better. I see more people now. I play a lot of quick scoping party matches. There are still some game modes, but they are just not as popular. Most people play s and d, domination, free for all, tdm, htdm, and gun game. Plus, zombie. David Porter How on earth do you know what it would cost (not just in dollars, but man hours) to develop the multiplayer feature for this game on the Wii U? What if it stretched the dev team to the extent that the launch date was pushed back? What if the cost of hosting the servers exceeded the expected ROI? Stop talking about what is “relatively” cheap, when you have no idea of cheap, and your concept of “relative” is only relative to fiction. Madmagican To WB, roughly 1.5 million USD is (relatively) cheap and this is about the price it would take to simply port the whole game to Wii U and it wouldn’t take more than two months AAA titles in general cost anywhere from 25 to 110 million USD DingoWalley Because they’re the ones who bothered to put effort into it. They’re the ones who are making it and the other versions. If they want their game to succeed on Nintendo’s platform, then they have to help Nintendo’s platform succeed. If they don’t, then neither will their game. It’s all underhanded like that. Nintedward Please explain why Warner bros should expect their game which they are putting on a Nintendo product to sell without a key feature ? that’s right. discuss Because it’s not a key feature.This isn’t CoD. Batman is not known for it’s great multiplayer. Shaise If that was the case, what would be the point for online on this game to begin with? discuss Added feature to convince customers into buying it. Maintaining servers is probably more expansive then the increased revenue from sales. David Porter It’s a value-added bonus. It’s there to entice potential buyers who own systems that have HEAPS, literally HEAPS of available software, in a crowded market, to buy this game. Nintendo’s Wii U has a paltry selection of games. There is NO need to entice Wii U owners- we’re so starved for games, we’d buy just about anything, at full price, just to use this cobweb collector. Telling that Earthbound is the most played game on my system, and I own ME3, Zombi U, Nintendo Land, NSMBU (plus NLU DLC), Arkham City, Darksiders 2, BLOPS 2, a host of VC games, and some crappy channels I never use. I even bought into the TVii for a bit (watched the superbowl with it), until I realized that other connected devices manage television viewing better. I’m holding onto this system purely, and only, for an HD Metroid, and that’s damned sad, given that the last Metroid experience was so poor (Other M). David Porter They met Nintendo halfway- they are delivering the CORE EXPERIENCE. That’s more than they really ought to do. Nintendo has not proven ANYTHING in the way of generating sales or supporting their system, when they can’t even deliver their own damned games. QuizmasterBos Nintendo is already making the Wii U more succesful, they are releasing good games for it. But, if other companies don’t put their games on the system, then it can never be as good as it could be. Both Sony and Microsoft would be nothing without good third-party support. Systems need games, not the other way around. So, yes, it IS WB and everybody else’s job to make the system succesful. If the system itself sucks, other companies would never be able to MAKE it succesful and I think Nintendo has proven that the Wii U is definitely capable. So bring on the games! david jarman Why should they help make any console successful? The games sell the consoles. Microsoft and Sony didnt always have a robust online feature or that many people that supported, but through the help of games and time their online grew. Why should it be any different for the wii u? Shaise Well, 3rd parties need to help, 3rd party games play a part in sales, plus, the community wont grow magically on its own if you dont actually build one. What you just said, you might as well say why should warner bros make sure a sony or microsoft console is successful David Porter If I were to become a farmer, I’d have to purchase a plot of land, determine what I want to grow, find investors (or buyers of an agreed crop beforehand, which is dangerous, because I’d be committing to a certain amount in advance), and tend to that crop on my own. ONLY AFTER I WAS SUCCESSFUL in building that foundation, would I (or should I) expect to grow and entice other buyers to invest in my farm. Why on earth would it be different in this case? Every investment relies on the initial spark, and a strong foundation. The Wii U is (so far) proving to be a house built upon a sandbank, and people are complaining that no one wants to purchase a timeshare? C’mon. Shaise Well for one thing this isnt farming its video gaming, but I see what you mean, however if we want a foundation to become strong we need this online content to make it happen Nintyfan With out a game platform, Warner Bros won’t make money. Without games on a platform not enough sales for a console. It’s a cycle, each one depends on one another for it’s success. discuss Wrong, Warner Bros can make money on the other gaming platforms. Bob Wilkerson POST DELETED greengecko007 “Trolls”… I don’t think you people even know what that word means anymore. If you want to see what real trolling is, go to sites like Omegle. This person has a logical point of view, it just differs from many other’s opinion. As anyone who has actually studied any part of business will tell you, there is no set formula for success. Risk and hard work do not always yield profit. I agree that it sucks to see another Wii U game that is missing features, but it’s not hard to see that some 3rd party developers are interested more in making money on an already established fanbase. And can we blame them? How has Nintendo treated 3rd party developers in the past? Basically by shoving them to the curb and saying, “our consoles are different, deal with it, or not, we don’t care about you”. Bob Wilkerson What is missing is the whole picture. This is not just about this game but it is poor business to release a product at the same premium price and leave out features that the product is capable of doing and then blame the fanbase and the platform it was released on for poor sales. I do not agree that Nintendo kicks third parties to the curb and they did say that sometimes 3rd parties do not understand that Nintendo makes their consoles to be a bit different. Maybe if WB Interactive was a bit more forthcoming with information before the game got so close to release the gaming community could have expressed their views on why the playing field should be equal. This game is different in the sense it never had multi-player before so their logic of claiming there is no market for this feature on the Wii U is irrelevant because it has not been done before on ANY platform with this game series. In some business views this can be seen as being anti-competitive. Bigger companies than WB Interactive have been sued and lost due releasing products with stripped features in certain markets The least they could do is put the code in and give the gamers the option to buy the game and put up the server access later. Of course in this day and age it still amazes me that they cannot provide online play cross platform. If they want to appeal to the gamers they should try doing something like that. Open the online to all of online. greengecko007 Should it be priced the same? Of course not. You’re right on this point. There is no reason to pay the same amount for less. Also, to clarify, I never said Nintendo kicks 3rd party developers to the curb, I said they did in the past. Which is true. However, Nintendo is obviously trying to take the right steps to amend relationships with 3rd party developers, but like some (very few on this website) reasonable people have said, it is going to take time for these companies to trust Nintendo after years of neglect. I was slightly interested in this game because of the critical acclaim the others have gotten, but I’m not going to buy it at all now, not on any platform, because of this stunt. That is how I voice my displeasure with a company. Not by calling people with a different opinion “trolls”. Bob Wilkerson You’re right… I apologize.. So used to the hate I suppose. I am just trying to look at the whole picture and many of the excuses by these 3rd parties are very poor and they come out with this information too late before the consumers can voice their opinion. How can they know what a consumer wants if they do not give them the information to influence the product. It just seems that 3rd parties will make outrageous claims about making a game for platform not even released but not make a game for an existing platform (or leave out features for that platform) due a small install base when the platform is new. Makes no sense. PS.. I removed my post above greengecko007 I quite liked the idea you had in your earlier post about giving customers codes to buy the game and add the online later. It could be like a kickstarter project, but for a game already in development. If enough people bought the game at full price, then online could be added, and if WB wasn’t satisfied they could simply refund the customers. The only thing is that even things like this take money. David Porter “Maybe if WB Interactive was a bit more forthcoming with information before the game got so close to release the gaming community could have expressed their views on why the playing field should be equal.” The game isn’t releasing until October. It’s still July. Fair warning. Bob Wilkerson I would have to say the game is in it’s final stages at this point so making a change like this may not happen unless the major hold back is that a server needs to be set up for access from Nintendo. If the code for the multi-player is removed from the game code it may be too late. Now if they brought this up when the game was being announced back in the Winter they would have plenty of time. David Porter Precisely. MrDownvote I too get sick of the complete “troll” labelling. Me and my company get constant abuse with this word and quite frankly it is pathetic. Our companies image or opinion, differs to that of the general public. They can’t handle it so out comes the “troll” name calling. It is affecting me and my staffs mental and physical health, due to self harm under the pressure of all of these idiotic peoples visions. Currently I have had 2 resignations over the past few days, simply because the overbearing hate, and discrimination was affecting my employee’s personal lives. It is like the “troll hunt” is the new “witch hunt”. This discrimination and anger, from differing opinions is creating rage and uprising’s. I do sincerely hope that one day this “troll” name calling will come to an end. That or everybody sees the light and understands me and my company, thus solving the problem, for me at least. Downvote&Co making the world a better place! MrUpvote People will stop hating on you when you realize downvotes are evil. P.S. I gave you an upvote >:) David Porter Which is why WB depend on Sony and MS. The ugly truth is that Nintendo has precisely ZERO leverage in this particular fight. DVE Are you serious? Developers make there money buy putting there games on consoles and PC xD.Either that or make there own consoles that wont be successful like the Big 3 smh. discuss Hold onto something before reading te rest of my comment. Ready? There are other consoles besides the Wii U! Those consoles don’t require you to take a big risk in order to make money! DVE Just be honest and say you don’t like or don’t support the WiiU and why are you wating your time on a WiiU site by the way? Please do share 🙂 discuss I like my Wii U but that doesn’t have to do anything with economics. Your emotional attachment to your Wii U makes your judgement clouded. Finrod Are you really that stupid or are you just putting on a good show for us? Because you sure make me laugh. Of course Nintendo will be responsible for the WiiU’s success. This is not the success he was talking about though. He was talking about the GAME’s success on the WiiU and that, my friend, is no one else’s responsibility but Warner Bros.’ If you’re so into business classes then you should that you can’t sell something inferior to a target audience for the same price as the superior product. And you most definitely can’t blame anyone but yourself if that particular product fails. discuss Hello Finrod, Let me start by saying I’m not your friend. I don’t have dumb friends. Second there is no pricing information available. Third I never said this product will fail. I simply said that if implementing a multiplayer isn’t profitable or the risk of it being profitable can’t outweigh the costs then it’s not smart to spend money on implementing it. I guess this is to hard for you to comprehend as I need to repeat myself. Graeme Lynch Discuss I actually love your responses! Also mostly agreeing with you. However I think as somebody said earlier that if developers don’t take a leap of faith at some point then 3rd party games will always fall short on the WiiU. I paraphrased that, before I am attack by the original poster, point being that Nintendo need to improve sales somehow. They have a lot of USPs at their disposal so they should start using them! discuss Thanks 🙂 I think if you want developpers to take a leap of faith they need to start investing money into the Wii U first. Advertisements and IP’s ftw. Graeme Lynch Indeed! It is unfortunate that Nintendo are appearing to be dragging their heels. I don’t get why advertising is so weak. Nor do I understand why they haven’t improved the Virtual Console. Or released news to actually excite people rather than stuff we already know was coming. The biggest disadvantage Nintendo is at is having Microsoft and Sony releasing new consoles with ‘new’ IPs. I hope I am wrong but I don’t vision Nintendo doing as well people on here think this holiday season. Nintendo is likely to be swamped by the media and marketing frenzy of the other two. Mercurio2054 business and risk go hand in hand. they will lose more money doing this, because some buyers will not buy a limited game. i will buy it because i don’t care multi player in a batman game. discuss Investments cost money. Sam Would you shut up already dporter6 Arkham Origins has likely been in development for about two years now. I’m willing to bet that the game was green lighted for the Wii U based on estimates of what the (then unreleased) system would sell. The multiplayer component was probably developed last (after the Wii U released into the market and did very poorly), and the decision was made to cease further development. Warner will do alright on the Wii U (how few of them are out there to sell to), but they’re surely disappointed, and will likely not consider Wii U development again unless and until the Wii U sales numbers go up. There is nothing “stupid” about simple logic. You are far too emotionally invested in being right than you are in being honest. That’s a problem you should correct. NkoSekirei dont feed this troll discuss Your original post said: “wow ur stupidity amazes me every time u make a pointless comment with no hard facts” I guess afterwards you realized how dumb it was saying the Wii U might be a product of Warner Bros. David Porter Correct. tronic307 You know, you’re right. Nintendo needs to do their job, and keep all shitty ports off their system, period. D.M.T Totally unrealistic view? Lol keep telling yourself that. Success is a 2 way street. If you want your games to sell, you need to give Nintendo fans good ports, not inferior ports. People won´t buy the incomplete version. Andrew Sadly, I’m forced to. I don’t own a xbox 360 or PS3. Andreas Sunde You’re not forced to. If this bothers you, don’t buy it, or wait for the price to drop to what the game is worth. Spencer Manigat Just buy it used. 😉 Ony The fact is that companies (not devs, devs just code in dark rooms sucking coca cola all night)(well personaly… :3) are afraid of sacrifices. They don’t have the guts to bet on a system, and the Wii U desesperately need some companies that release game (good and finished games) on it to be pushed up, but they (companies) will NEVER have as much money as if they released it on another system. It’s a ‘vicious circle’ as we said in French (Cercle Vicieux, I don’t know if there is an equivalent in english) Zombie Boy Yes. We call it a ‘vicious circle’. PS I’m staying out of this whole argument. You can’t argue with people who refuse to see common sense. This guy is just another troll. If you read his comments, he makes it clear that he favours the other platforms, and I can’t be bothered with people like him any more. Flagged and moving on… David Porter Flagged for what? Delivering an honest, if somewhat idealistic view of the sorry state of this system? I’ve been called out on this site several times by people, who swear up and down that I don’t own a Wii U (I bought mine on launch day, and am happy to take a pic, upload to Imgur with my name and date), but I AM AN UNHAPPY CONSUMER. I FEEL RIPPED OFF, because Nintendo didn’t do the requisite work to ensure that this platform would be successful. They’ve admitted as much when they said that, and pardon me while I stifle a laugh, “they weren’t prepared for the difficulty in HD graphics”. Are you JOKING? They had since the release of the Wii to research and develop this new system. What were they doing in all that time? EDIT- Just in case someone decides to call me out… http://imgur.com/y33Eifa DragonSilths When I start making games in the future IF I CAN, my games will always be PC and NINTENDO! Nintendo has been around for 124 years. Banking with them is a pretty damn safe bet. Ony I’d like to make games for Nintendo too, but remember that Nintendo allow games on their platforms ONLY if you have a companies (indies self publishers are not [yet] allowed), and the requirements are ultra-strong (if the game is not perfect or not in their policies, it’s a niet) That’s why 1: they have lot of good and finished games 2: they have not many games and 3: they aren’t much blood-n-violence games. personnaly, i’ll start making browser games in HTML (Nintendo released the API <3), when i'll get my company, i'll start to wink wink Nintendo :3 DragonSilths Indie Devs are thriving off the Wii U. Wayforward with their Mighty Switch Force. I even have the Creative Director from MSF on my friends list lol. He can be my connection into getting my Indie games on the E-Shop. David Porter If you’re a coder, than you understand that you have limited resources to deliver product, on time, in each WIP cycle, to rFLD or volume. You understand, as does the publisher, that the manpower, the money, and the efforts of a team are greater when the focus is more narrow. It makes ZERO sense for a development house, or the publisher that funds them, to count on the Wii U, when Nintendo themselves don’t seem to have CLUE ONE how to advertise, package, or sell the product. That there hasn’t been a new SKU, pack-in deal, or price cut this deep into the slide is telling. That there STILL aren’t first party games out RIGHT THIS MINUTE, and the heaviest of the heavies (new Zelda, new Smash Bros, etc) still have vague release dates of “sometime in 2014” is also telling. This system looks like a sinking ship to third parties, and NOBODY wants to rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic, no matter how accommodating the crew may (now) be. tronic307 The problem with your argument is that it’s anti-consumer. Who gives a toss about the publishers point of view? They’re here for our amusement, not to insult us with lame political BS. David Porter No. They’re here to provide you a good and / or service. You’re here to purchase that good or service. It has NOTHING to do with politics, and EVERYTHING to do with people keeping their jobs, feeding their families, and yes, providing a product that is useful and appreciated in the market. The video game industry is labeled an *industry* because of its ECONOMIC ACTIVITY first and foremost, not because of how awesome it is to get a 1UP. tronic307 Even if what you’re saying is valid, I’m telling you I couldn’t care less if the devs can feed their families if their product sucks. David Porter But, in this instance, the Batman / Arkham games have decidedly NOT sucked. They’ve been *excellent*. They’ve earned their critical acclaim, and WB is delivering the CORE EXPERIENCE to the Wii U system. What exactly is there to complain about, when a system that has only sold ~160,000 in the last quarter, WORLDWIDE, gets 90% of the experience? EDIT- You ought to re-read your response and reflect on your sense of entitlement. tronic307 I’ll probably wait for the Steam sale, if at all. And LMAO if it gets a 7/10. David Porter Nothing wrong with that. I can’t sit at a computer and play games for very long. I prefer my couch. I’m praying for a Metroid to justify this purchase. tronic307 I’m at my couch right now; I use my 3DTV for a monitor. David Porter Yeah, but I’ve found that a decent gaming PC in the living room is both large and loud. I can’t stomach the noise. david jarman Would you pay for this if it were the same price as the other two consoles? Keep in mind this is a different developer and might/might not turn out to be a great game. I’m just asking to hear your view. dporter6 It’s funny, because I pre-ordered the game for my Wii U back in late May when it was announced. However, as soon as I saw this story, I cancelled the pre-order and then ordered the PS3 version. I like playing off-screen, but I like the idea of other DLC down the road, and if they’re jumping ship this early, you can bet the Wii U version won’t get any of the other goodies. david jarman Interesting. Either you changed your screen name or its a different account. Just an observation. I love playing off screen as well. I’m just hoping they don’t expect us to pay as much. Dlc are ok I guess. I guess the only time actually care for dlc is if its new maps and modes in mp. As for games such as this one. It’s the story that’s important to me. Add-on’s don’t matter as much. David Porter Maybe you’re right, but who does it hurt? Nintendo, and Nintendo Wii U owners. The content creators still have their sales- I just canceled my pre-order and re-ordered for PS3. I’m sure I won’t be the last. D.M.T Good for you I guess. Enjoy your PS3 version David Porter I’m hoping I will. If it’s as good as the last two games, I’ll be happy, and I’ll get multiplayer as well. That’ll be cool, to play co-op as Nightwing, while Batman and Catwoman fight alongside me. Wii U owners sadly aren’t going to get that experience. D.M.T Yeah i get it, you dont have to remind me mr.Goodbar You have a one dimensional brain. David Porter Agreed. It’s not the responsibility of the third parties to create the groundswell of support for the platform. That is Nintendo’s responsibility. The third parties come and deliver once there’s a solid, stable and supportive platform there. This console is an exercise in abject failure. Nintenjoe82 Now that they’re refusing to support MP they’ll definitely get sales to justify not including MP andrewjcole There, folks, is logic. Miguel Angel Barrueta Hernánde probably won’t buy this one anyway AAAkabob This is where a petition might come in handy. Sam Try petition.com, I’m going to if your not Bob Wilkerson Make one and I’ll sign it. I put one on Change.org if you are interested. The link is above and in another post made by me. I don’t want to spam the link too much 😉 Luna Moonfang https://www.change.org/petitions/splash-damage-online-mode-for-wiiu-batman-arkham-origins There you go. CMB Signed Nintyfan Why do people use change.org when there is a much easier way of getting the word out with social media outlets like Facebook or Twitter. Andreas Sunde Because change.org has a staff that gives a shit, unless facebook. And it’s a lot easier to organize than twitter. Bob Wilkerson Do Both… Sign the Petition and share on FB Could use more sigs on mine please https://www.change.org/petitions/warner-bros-interactive-bring-multi-player-into-wii-u-version-of-batman-arkham-origins-2?utm_campaign=twitter_link&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition BluePeanut Lack of MP wont effect me at all. Sidney Majurie I agree. But the price of the Wii U version should reflect this. Ritchet Who plays Batman for the multiplayer anyway? Bob Wilkerson No one in this series because it has not been done with the other editions of this game. That makes their excuse even more BS. greengecko007 Very true, and it will likely be like a lot of the other multiplayer features on games like Uncharted or Assassin’s Creed, where despite the great single player experience, the multiplayer just feels like it was made to say it had that ability. But it’s still disheartening to know that yet another Wii U game is missing out on features available for other consoles. Ace J see half-ass bullshit like this is one of the reasons why nobody buys 3rd party support on nintendo consoles. The Clockwork Being Yeah look at Sniper V2 Elite. No reason to make it a watered down version than call it the definite version Mr.Johnson Then lower the price of the Wii U version. Fvaco Completely agree! gamedealers Couldnt of said it any better if the Wii U version is lacking content from the other versinos from a business perspective they will lose money people will say well why buy the wii u version for 60 bucks when I wont get all the content it should have. And a lot of copies produce for the wii u version will go unsold and will make the company lose money on the wii u version. Now if they lower the price $39.99 Digital version, 49.99 retail version which i think would be fair. Still a little pricey on the retail side but that will make up for the production of the disc and stuff. and Digital copy seem like that would be a reasonable price Mr.Johnson I agree. Lethal_Doze the definitive version.. oh wait nin-10-doughfan ABSOLUTELY!!! David Porter Or, they could just not release it for Wii U at all. That’d save them a ton of money. Jeffery02 I don’t want to agree with this, but I do. We shouldn’t deal with this, but we will (myself included). I hate that they actually make great games because otherwise I would skip this one in protest. I will sadly get a PS3 copy now, because hey, f*%# the Wii U I guess… Here’s what I don’t understand though: If they want the Wii U version to actually sell, then why release half a game on it when the other consoles get the whole experience. This is the EXACT way to lose money. “We are going to spend time, resources, and money to release this game on the Wii U BUT we are going to give the version that people ACTUALLY want on the other platforms”… Am I the only one that remembers when cross-platform games used to NOT exclude content? No, less, or delayed add-ons I can live with, but missing content that is supposed to be natively in the game? It would be one thing if the Wii U’s hardware couldn’t handle it, but this excuse they gave is just pure horse $h!t… David Porter I feel you, and agree for the most part, but here’s where we diverge: 1) It’s unfair to say that WB is releasing “half a game”. They’re releasing the entire single-player campaign, which is the bulk of the game. I’d venture to say that, if this sequel is like the previous versions in the series, the game is 90% single-player experience, and multiplayer will be an “extra feature”, thrown in for fan service. It sucks that it won’t be coming to the Wii U, but that doesn’t diminish the single-player component in the least. 2) I actually applaud WB for making the commitment to release this game AT ALL on the Wii U. Think about it- the game has been in development for, if what I read is true, about two years, maybe a bit less. That means that a lot of time and money were put into developing it for the Wii U (it probably cost them MORE to develop it for the Wii U than for PS3 or 360, because the Wii U *IS* a new system, and they needed to familiarize themselves with the hardware and development kit). I think they made a wise decision, once they saw how poorly the Wii U has been received in the market, to NOT scrap the entire Wii U version, but instead divert the money and time that would have been necessary to port the multiplayer component, and spend that money on bettering ALL THREE VERSIONS. Can’t fault them either way for either of those points, is what I mean 🙂 Jeffery02 Personally I think that this makes the Wii U look bad. It’s almost like they are saying that a 7-8 year old console can handle it but a 7-8 month old console cannot. I know that’s not their intention, but that’s what it is coming off to me. You do have some valid points though. I’m just sick of watching the Wii U ports getting the short end of the stick… Shaise Yeah, these 3rd parties moan saying, it didnt make any profit or didnt sell, well then maybe stop taking things & content away from the version & maybe it will sell. This is deliberate nin-10-doughfan YEAH!!! David Porter Of *course* it’s deliberate. Nintendo has sold about 160,000 Wii U’s in the last quarter, WORLDWIDE. That’s abysmal. Spending time, money, effort in developing the game ITSELF was a leap of faith. That you’d call them out on not delivering a multiplayer element for a system with practically no multiplayer community is head-slapping, to say the least. Check out the CoD multiplayer lobby on the Wii U. Compare it to any other system. Same with ME3 (particularly with ME3). Same with pretty much every other multiplayer game on the system. Nobody is playing this system online, because nobody owns it. Batman is coming to the Wii U. The core game, the single-player experience. That’s enough of an investment. Marko Kuku i have to say that i’ve been playing BO2 on Wii U for the last 4 months, i admit it’s a small community but we still have lobbies full all the time (except early mornings maybe). One big plus, Ninty people playing BO2 are friendly. Spencer Manigat The Wii U is a new console with few online games, and most of the ones it has are missing features. Of course the COD lobby is less. Most are waiting to see if Ghost will actually HAVE DLC. David Porter It likely won’t. Andreas Sunde Well what a shame, I won’t buy it, then. At least not until it drops in price. David Porter The good news is- this still counts as a sale. I think right now, all the publishers care about, regarding the Wii U, is the number of people who OWN one. Even if they see that people are waiting to purchase at a reduced cost, they still get valuable sales data, which gives them some idea as to the number of people who own the console (Nintendo’s financial disclosures obviously do that as well), but more importantly, it shows them that there IS interest in their games. There’s nothing wrong with waiting for a sale. It helps the publisher in restoring faith that people want their games; it helps Nintendo in that people are buying third party games; it helps gamers in that they get to play these neat games. Arthur Jarret I play MH3U online all the time, it has a huge community – with 80% of the lobbies filled most of the time. Your examples are flawed: The reason CoD mutliplayer isn’t popular on the Wii U is because the Wii U version is missing a lot of DLC content. The reason ME3 isn’t popular on Wii U is because they released a lower-priced trilogy set on other platforms in the same month. Batman origins will now not sell much on the Wii U because the game is missing a major component, not because the Wii U doesn’t sell well – if it did have the online component I’m sure most multiplatform owners would prefer the wii U version due to the higher graphic fidelity (if they actually spent the effort to optimize it, that is) and off-tv play. dporter6 “The reason CoD mutliplayer isn’t popular on the Wii U is because the Wii U version is missing a lot of DLC content.” You’ve got it backward- the reason the Wii U is missing DLC is because far, far fewer people own Wii U’s than PC, PS3 or XBox 360. Sales of CoD were very disappointing for EA. Like it or not, *that* is the reason we have no DLC. “The reason ME3 isn’t popular on Wii U is because they released a lower-priced trilogy set on other platforms in the same month.” Sure, I can agree that the final part of a trilogy wasn’t ever going to sell as well as the trilogy (which is great, btw). However, for such a great game to practically sell NOTHING is awfully sad. Check out the number of people in the ME3 Miiverse. It’s like a ghost town. “Batman origins will now not sell much on the Wii U because the game is missing a major component, not because the Wii U doesn’t sell well – if it did have the online component I’m sure most multiplatform owners would prefer the wii U version due to the higher graphic fidelity (if they actually spent the effort to optimize it, that is) and off-tv play.” Wrong and wrong. The Wii U is selling TERRIBLY. You cannot continue to exist within a bubble and pretend that things are different than they are. Batman won’t sell well on the Wii U because VERY FEW PEOPLE OWN WII U’S. The graphics aren’t going to be any better on the Wii U. Off-tv play doesn’t matter for most teens or adults, because so many people own MULTIPLE TVs (they are extremely cheap these days). Don’t get me wrong, I only own one tv, and I love playing games in bed, but that feature is *not* and never will be the big system seller you think it is. Arthur Jarret “Sales of CoD were very disappointing for EA” —I don’t think EA cares that much about CoD sales. Batman won’t sell well on the Wii U because VERY FEW PEOPLE OWN WII U’S —Then why are they making the game available on Wii U at all? They must think there is some money to be made there. As putting the game on there is obviously meant to make money – it makes no business sense to make the version on other consoles a great amount more appealing “- that feature is *not* and never will be the big system seller you think it is” —I never said it was a system selling feature, or even that I think it is. Also, the disappointing platform sales happened to 3DS too. That turned around easily. I shouldn’t even have to mention that the disappointing N64 sales made Nintendo more money than the PS1 (which sold at a loss to boost sales) – or that the gamecube made more profit than the Xbox. I’m pretty sure the Wii U will turn around – and multiple prospective owners would have kept this game in their wishlist until they had more reason (games) to validate buying one. I don’t think anyone will buy it now though, as this incomplete game will be incomplete forever dporter6 Sorry, substitute Activision in place of EA. The point stands. Batman will be available on the Wii U because it began its development about two years ago, back when people thought the Wii U would actually matter. Of course they decided that, relative to the money already spent, the popularity of the game would likely offset the cost of development. This really, truly, isn’t so difficult to deduce. Games developers and publishers DO NOT DO THIS OUT OF A SENSE OF CHARITY. They do it to make MONEY. With regard to 3DS- give it about another year or two, and sales of dedicated handheld gaming systems will crater. Phones and tablets (particularly once a standard for game controllers comes along, and it’s coming. Apple included, for example, a new API for developers to tie into game controllers very easily in the latest iOS 7 SDK). Nintendo is between a rock and a hard place. The issue with the thinking that it’s entirely about Nintendo turning a profit is this: each time Nintendo “fails” (in this sense, fails in providing the gaming public a console that can keep up with the competition), they chip away a little more at their credibility. I have purchased every Nintendo home console released since the NES pretty much on launch day (as I did with my Wii U), but I won’t be purchasing the next one up front, if at all. My faith in Nintendo is gone, completely diminished by the stupid mistakes Nintendo keeps insisting on making. Getting back to Batman- the game will sell fairly well for the Wii U, even without multiplayer. Why? Because if it’s half as good as the last two in the series, it’ll be a good game, and because WII U OWNERS HAVE VERY LITTLE SOFTWARE TO CHOOSE FROM. Like starving people, they’ll buy just about ANYTHING. Arthur Jarret If the tablets and smartphones ever push away dedicated handhelds – then non-casual handheld gaming will almost be dead. You know, back when Atari lost their lawsuit which caused everyone to be able to sell games on it, there was this little video game crash that almost caused the end of the market… just because it was more profitable to release a lot of bad, programmed-in-a-day games than titles which were actually tested, debugged and loved by the development team. The app stores of course have a rating system in place, but they also have more junk apps than atari ever had. As the oversaturation of content in these storefronts continues to advance, formerly high profile content will be less and less noticeable and profitable. Until all we have are sequels and movie tie-ins, as only the first week sales matter, reputation and reviews will become completely unimportant, and the market will crash completely. Unfortunately your two years will be before the point that we are ready to restart it with actual VR. dporter6 There’s a place for the junk in the various app stores. I agree that the signal to noise ratio is far too high, and more curation is needed. That said, any major publisher will be able to sell their wares with plenty of visibility simply because they’re a major publisher. LIkewise, those review / ratings systems you mentioned ARE what separates the Atari days from today. It’s far easier to find reviews, alternatives offering similar gameplay, or a different game altogether, sold in the same store, that works on the same device, etc. The convenience of phones and tablets will kill portable game consoles. We can figure out how to ensure a cleaner market later, so long as we demonstrate the market can work. And, in fact, EA (this time I’m sure it’s EA) just mentioned in their last earnings statement that they made more money via Apple’s App Store than their other digital ventures (including Origin). There’s the canary in the coal mine. Theiz Zzee I agree mostly with what you said. I think one point missing in the debate is this. Many console owners of last gen were two console owners with the Wii often being one of the two. So many of those that are Nintendo fans are waiting for games like Legend of Zelda and Smash Bros. to get a Wii U. They get their multiplatform games on one of the consoles they own already instead of getting a Wii U for $300+ . I think many are also leary of getting multiplatform for the Wii U because of bad memories with the Wii of content being jipped. It is a chicken and egg dilemma. Any hope of getting the best of sales you need at least equal content as other console versions.With lacking sales it doesn’t happen. I think things can be done to help this though. dporter6 I agree that many will have two consoles, and I also agree that quite a few will choose the Wii U, primarily because of the first-party releases. Truly, that’s the only thing still keeping Nintendo in this fight. Andreas Sunde The reason I don’t own BLOPS2 for Wii U is because of the lack of Nuketown 2025, a map that was promised before launch, and is now a free, required download on all other platforms. ME3 was released on Wii U many months after other platforms, and within the same month as other platforms got the trilogy, for the same price. I’d buy the trilogy if it came to Wii U, but it won’t, because EA are full of shit. Batman won’t sell well on Wii U compared to the install base of 3.5 million, because it’s a lessser version sold at the same price. If it was an equal version, it would probably sell well, compared to the install base. It might actually stil sell better on Wii U than other platforms, /compared to the install base/. 350 000 on Wii U is better than 5 000 000 on PS3, because the install base is so much smaller. Sure, it won’t be as many actual sales, but you don’t expect that. Unless you’re Square Enix or EA. The graphics can be better on Wii U than PS360, if the devs put effort into it (like Criterion). Off-TV play is big. It’s so big that Sony is demanding it in all PS4 games, through PS Vita. David Porter Just a quick follow-up (I think I’ve already responded to your post, but I just considered something you said and wanted to address it): Regarding off-tv play on Wii U vs. Vita- there is a fundamental difference, there. The Vita is much, much more capable in both its off-tv play and capabilities as a handheld. Nintendo attempted the “jack of all trades” scenario, and, like most times with the jack of all trades option, they are the master of none. Off-tv play requires that you’re tethered by distance to the console proper. The Vita has no such limitation, and can play PS4 games, Vita games, indie releases, etc, with a comparable or better battery life, ON THE ROAD. *That*, my friend, is potentially huge. The idea that off-tv play in people’s houses is a big deal, just doesn’t make sense to me. Maybe in a place like Japan, where space is at a premium, sure, but in America, for example, where most households actually own MORE THAN ONE TV, Nintendo has managed to solve a problem that VERY FEW PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANTED OR NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. Further, the lack of a GOOD touch screen (resistive tech in the Wii U, versus capacitive touch in any tablet or smartphone) is JARRING, and FEELS INFERIOR when compared directly. I love my Wii U, and I think the tablet controller is neat, though a bit bulky. But man, oh, man, the feel of that tablet is worlds apart (and not for the better) when I compare it to my iPad or iPhone. Yes, if you’re wondering, I’m an Apple guy. That’s obviously a different and potentially contentious debate, so I hope that my admitting my preference for Apple upfront doesn’t cause any issues. Andreas Sunde Off-TV play on the go would be amazing, but I’ll eat my hat if Sony can actually make it work. You’re forgetting one very important thing: latency. Streaming directly over a local Wifi is relaitvely easy, but over the internet? Most connections are either too slow or too crowded, making the games unplayable. The Wii U has the technology to do it, too. I (or technically my family) own two TVs. I still love Off-TV play, even when I’m all by myself. Why? Convenience. I don’t have to face the TV all the time, I can change positions a lot. I can even change room, or not bothering with the TV at all, if I feel like that. The idea of playing a game in whatever position I want, is what made me want a Wii U. I didn’t know I wanted it before I heard of it, but when I realised the potential of that, I wanted it. I’m an Apple guy too, writing this on my iPad. While the general feel of the touch screen is miles apart, I still think resistive is better for the Wii U. Have you ever tried drawing on your iPad? Unless you have an expensive, thin stylus, or you know exactly what point of your finger that registers, it’s very impresise. On a resistive thouch screen, you can use a cheap plastic stylus, and you can make it almost as thin as you like. This makes it presise, down to 1mm. As the owner of an iPad, you shouldn’t complain about solutions that didn’t have problems. readypembroke 2025 is $5 on all platforms, not free. Andreas Sunde 2025 is free on all platforms since april. Except the Wii U. readypembroke It’s free on 360, and maybe PS3 but not on PC! I checked! Arobin10 Agreed. The Wii U isn’t getting fair treatment. I actually felt it would be the definitive version of the game & now I’m actually considering getting the 360 version dt the exclusion of multiplayer. I’m sick of it. I wish Nintendo had launched with an online version of Wii sports or Nintendoland to spark more interest in online play. Shaise Maybe because the PS3 and Xbox 360, are 7 year old systems! Obviously more people would be on those lobbies, and heres why it will take a little investment for third parties, but it’ll be worth in the end. A man is considering to buy a Wii U because of Pikmin 3, however, he enjoys a little multiplayer in Batman once in a while, but its a shame Wii U version doesn’t have it, maybe if they put multiplayer, sales would slowly rise, and this man would’ve bought this game with Wii U David Porter Agreed, and eventually, when the Wii U has enough owners out there, WB (or any other studio) will decide, in advance, that making the kind of investment necessary to produce and sustain these services (multiplayer requires servers, staff to manage them, etc) is worth the effort and money. For now, though, if you ONLY own a Wii U, there’s no reason to punish WB for not delivering multiplayer on faith alone. If you own two systems, and really, really want the multiplayer and other DLC (as I do), you buy the version for PS3 or 360. It’s a shame, yeah, because it’s another lost sale for the Wii U, but that’s not my OR WB’s responsibility to float Nintendo– I’ve already made MY investment by purchasing the console on DAY ONE. You have to come to a point where the cost of continued investment just isn’t worth it anymore. For me, I’m no longer buying multiplatform games on the Wii U, unless I know for sure that all DLC and components of the game will be supported. Sucks, but that’s life. Potemkin That’s exactly what I have been telling these people but they only see things from their point of view, not the developers. All 3rd party developers porting games to the Wii U now are gambling and most likely will lose money because of the Nintendo fanboys way of thinking. Support 3rd and the they will support the console and eventually you will enjoy the same type of support the other platforms have, but while this happens be thankful that games are still in development for this console. David Porter Exactly. Right now, the onus is on NIntendo to make it worth EVERYONE’S while to invest (consumers and developers alike). Third parties *did* have some responsibility to make an initial investment, based on prior business relationships, commitments, etc, and there WERE releases from major publishers at launch. Granted, some of them were phoned in (EA in particular), but, for example, Activision is getting a lot of flack for CoD DLC, but that game launched for everyone at the same time, if memory serves. DLC didn’t come to the Wii U because Activision (rightly) knew, based on sales figures, that it wouldn’t be profitable, or likely even break even, to produce it for the Wii U. aarjav123 Of course nobody owns it, its because of developers like these who don’t develop the full game, or developers who skip the Wii u altogether tronic307 $34.99 Zombie Boy Just a quick point: It is listed at £37.99 on the Amazon UK site (pre-order), but the other versions are £35.99 – the Wii U version is actually more expensive than on the other platforms!!! nin-10-doughfan WHYYYYYYY!!! Nintyfan Probably because of Gamepad functionality exclusively on Wii U. Marko Kuku Nintendo provided the developers free tools to make it easier working with the gamepad, but i guess developing a multiplayer mode is easier by the look of the pricing. Edit: Ok people just to make it clear i’m being sarcastic but are you fine with Batman not getting multiplayer and others get? David Porter Realistically, that’s likely because the MP wasn’t platform dependent, and could be ported without fundamental design changes that a gamepad-focused effort would necessitate. I almost never used the gamepad for Arkham City, unless I was playing offscreen. I used the Pro Control when I used the TV. I’m guessing lots of others did the same. EDIT- Same thing with Darksiders II Marko Kuku MP doesn’t necessarily mean that you must have gamepad functions, either way. If they want to detract functions fine, but if Nintendo fans get the impression that their platform is less favored then the publishers cant come crying that 3rd parties sell less on a Nintendo. David Porter True, MP doesn’t *necessarily* mean that you must have gamepad functions, but the entire idea behind the gamepad was to facilitate that kind of asymmetrical multiplayer- I play on the pad and can see a full screen, you can watch the tv and see an entire screen, WE CAN BE IN THE SAME ROOM and playing co-op or against each other, in comfort and truly experiencing something no other system can offer. If I’m a developer, I have to go first where the money is, but at the same time, in my heart of hearts, I *also* want to take advantage of the hardware in the most uniquely creative way I can. Seems like in this case, the money and time weren’t there, and the will to “make it work” was missing. Marko Kuku i agree It’s completely logical, only releasing the game when it’s ready. Elem187 I highly doubt WB was going to make local coop… Black Ops 2 did spoil us, but I can’t see very many companies implementing that. David Porter If the Wii U was a successful console, you can bet your ass they’d be all over it. The developers would WANT to do it, because it’s a cool idea, and the development cost would be justified by the available install base. The Wii U is so much cooler in our imaginations than it will likely ever be out here in the cold, harsh world. Gecko Altair UMMMMMMM hate to break it to you but you cant play Arkham City with the Pro Controller. Guys, i Think truthteller made another account! dporter6 Hey there Gecko. You’re right- prior to Earthbound, I hadn’t turned on my Wii U in months, so I mixed up Batman and Darksiders (which most certainly does allow for Pro Control support). But here’s a picture I took last night for people just like YOU on this forum who believe I don’t own a Wii U: http://imgur.com/y33Eifa I’ll be very happy when I get home today from work to take another picture of the gamepad showing Arkham City on the gamepad, along with a nice big note saying “EAT ME GECKO”. I’ll get right on it. Watch this post. EDIT- To be clear, as you can probably tell by my sign in name and picture, I’m the same guy you responded to. I’m at work and so not signed in via Twitter (we block it here). David Porter As promised, Gecko- I’m home from work, and here is some proof for you: http://imgur.com/Fc0CPem Andreas Sunde Why are you using two different accounts? It’s a bit confusing. Gecko Altair hahahah, I do find that amusing. Good job. I am going to see if i can make this my profile pic for disqus. Nintyfan I don’t know the exact reasoning behind the pricing, I’m just saying I think the price is higher because of the Gamepad functionalities that are unique to the Wii U only. Marko Kuku I replied to Zombie_Boy but somehow it got replied to you, oh well. Nintyfan The reply sounded more to my post than it makes sense with Zombie Boy’s post. Marko Kuku “by the look of the pricing” and it was Zombie_Boy that mentioned the pricing. Elem187 That is the most silly thing I have ever heard… I have a hard time believing a massive publisher finding it difficult to develop on the gamepad, yet a two man team at Two Tribes has zero effort and in fact praises how easy it is to develop on. But the programmer in me says its absolutely easy… If you can program to send a signal to two different monitors simultaneously than you can develop with the Wii U gamepad. Ty Newton Please sign this petition https://www.change.org/petitions/splash-damage-online-mode-for-wiiu-batman-arkham-origins Mario I just did. And it’s working very well. P.S. I’m serious. It is! Nintyfan It is doing well indeed! We have reach 300 signers and 481 supporters. CMB UPDATE: 57 MORE TO GO WE HAVE REACHED 800 SIGNITURES Ony I really don’t understand how petitions car change things… unless it’s with, like, 1 million signatures… Producers’ll be like “Oh no, 1 000 persons signed a petition for the online in Wii U! We have NO choice, we HAVE to spend $10?k on that, sorry guys ;_;” I don’t want to destroy hopes or something but, 1000 signatures, really? :/ Mario Dude, don’t crush our dreams and hopes. Just wait till they announce something new in the future. Nintyfan “MP will be available for Xbox 360, PS3 and PC. The team is focusing development efforts on platforms with the largest MP audience.” So this means that PS4 and Xbox One versions won’t be getting any multiplayer mode as well. They’re gonna have to cut the price down for those consoles as well if that’s the case. DragonSilths Arkham Origins ISNT COMING ON PS4 OR XBOX ONE. Wii U is the ONLY 8th gen system that gets it. Though maybe a year later a GOTY Edition will come on Xbox One and PS4… nin-10-doughfan You have a point! DragonSilths Of course, I always have a point lol. Nintyfan Ah my mistake. This video’s title was very misleading. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj-GndPh6DU Omega!! https://www.change.org/petitions/splash-damage-online-mode-for-wiiu-batman-arkham-originsPeople please sign !! Or WB give us the fulla features of the game or atleast lower the price Spencer Manigat Lol, you guys need to raise the petition count. It’s been half a day and it’s almost full. nin-10-doughfan You Got It!!! nin-10-doughfan EXACTLY!!! Omega!! https://www.change.org/petitions/splash-damage-online-mode-for-wiiu-batman-arkham-originsSign so we can let thwm know victor So thy would lose even more money on porting it too wiiu ? Tom Greene And people wonder why Wii U is failing…smh *sigh* The Clockwork Being This doesn’t even make sense John Smith Watch how these people will be begging to come to wii u, with first party games like super mario 3d world, Legend Of Zelda Wind Waker HD. Those kind of games will make Wii u a best seller console! Jamie Clabon >Leave out features because “other consoles are more important” >People are annoyed and don’t buy the wiiu version >Company say the audience isn’t there so don’t bother with wiiu ludist210 It’s the circle of (Nintendo console) life… My thoughts: multiplayer is unnecessary for an Arkham game. The trailer made it look shoehorned in. So the lack of it doesn’t bother me…what bothers me is that other consoles are getting it, Wii U lacks it, and they’ll cost the same. Elem187 Yeah it’s almost like WB is treating us like second class citizens Linskarmo Hopefully the upcoming Nintendo games, along with forward-thinking developers, will help upend this aggravating cycle. David Porter As much as I’d like to believe that, it’s not likely to happen. If you think 3rd party adoption of the Wii U is terrible now, just *wait* until the PS4 and XBox One are out. This system is all but dead to anyone other than Nintendo. Worst launch-day purchase I’ve ever made, which is a shame, because I grew up on Nintendo consoles and have purchased every single one, save the Virtual Boy. Omega!! https://www.change.org/petitions/splash-damage-online-mode-for-wiiu-batman-arkham-originsHi guys sign so we can have the same features!! David Porter I appreciate that you’re doing what you can, but a Change.org petition isn’t something I can get behind, because I don’t fault WB in this case. I fault Nintendo for failing to produce, market, and deliver a product worth purchasing or supporting. I do very sincerely wish you all luck, though. I hope it works out. Omega!! Ok atleast you have gave your opinion!! Thanks!! victor Wii u is bad but its not as bad as wii Fvaco The same old story…): TAKANYAN Scratching this off my list then……(with a tear) D.M.T And this is why Nintendo fans dislike 3rd party publishers because they give us the inferior version of everything. And they have the nerve to complain when their games dont sell on Nintendo systems. DVE AMEN! It’s so dam retarded xD Bob Wilkerson If only they realized that while there is risk involved they could win over a community of gamers by releasing a fair product across the board. Third parties complain their games don’t sell on Nintendo but it is those third parties that are purposely (and continually) gimping their game releases. On top of that still charging the same premium price. Mercurio2054 yes, it’s always risk. everything have risk, and you have to take it. Bob Wilkerson They are taking a huge risk by making this game online multiplayer in the first base. It has no fanbase for that to begin with so this is why I think their logic fails. Mercurio2054 you’re right Steven_Segal Yeah and it makes the game less profitable. $41809923 THIS MAKES ME MAD THEIR ARE MANY PEOPLE ON MULTIPLAYER GAMES ON THE WII U THIS IS A FALSE STATEMENT FROM THIRD PARTY’S ANGAN Yoboyjohn It’s not even that big of a deal. People don’t buy batman games for multiplayer Mariokartfann I would like a multiplayer mode… Will.F. Martinez That is true, but the fact that we’ll be paying for the full experience and yet some contents wouldn’t be included makes it a big deal Guest That’s beside the point. It’s the principal of the thing. If its a feature in one version it should be a feature in all Jason Plank That’s beside the point. If they have MP as a feature for one version, it should be in all!!! Mariokartfann Lame excuses recently… “Before any trolls post, please flag and move on. DON’T REPLY!” Will.F. Martinez Can’t establish a big audience if Wii U gets no support, Wii U gets no support because it doesn’t have a big audience. keeps going around in circles and here i thought Warner bros were breaking that circle with releasing games and adding dlc. I’m still buying it because i enjoyed arkham city on my Wii U better then i did on 360. but cant get pass the fact that i’ll have contents missing from whats suppose to be a for software package. longschlongsilver It seems like “(Insert company here) explains why Wii U will not have (Insert game/feature here)” has become quite the trend lately Rob Lucci So I’m guessing COD will take out MP out of the WIIU cause of the lack of mp audience. Andreas Sunde As much as people hate CoD, they understand that a fanbase is built, not given. dporter6 No, but I’m willing to bet that this will be the last CoD you’ll ever get on the Wii U. We’re only getting Ghosts because it’s been in development for more than a year, and the Wii U version was probably green lighted prior to anyone seeing just how poor the sales of the console would be. Nobody wants to lose money in an investment. Andreas Sunde How much? Wii U currently have an install base of 3.5 million. The only Nintendo first party games released when the latest numbers were released, are NSMBU and Wario Ware. The big games aren’t out yet. Activision understands this, and are willing to support Nintendo with CoD, because they make money on it. You sound like a very bitter customer. Ducked Devs: Wait, we have to do something about the Wii U version to get mulitplayer, it could make money. Nah, let’s just not bring it to the Wii U at all, it actually takes work. Clel Not really… Ducked I’m making an example of how lazy the developers are. Seriously, whenever they have to put a little effort in a Wii U version, there just like “no let’s not do it at all”. Nintedward This will end up in about 40-50k people who were going to buy this on Wiiu canceling. And then about the same number again , buying either unexpectedly or not caring. I want this game and I Will probably buy it on Wiiu. A because I’m not and was never buying it for Multiplayer. B I hate playing on my old consoles now I have Wiiu and my pre orded Ps4 is round the corner. Hopefully Wiiu has some graphical tweeks (wishfull thinking I know lol) and some awesome gamepad features! that might soften the blow a little bit. But yeh, they might aswell just get a big cake knife out and slice the wiiu versions sales right down the middle :/ Yousif Alromaithi Sorry to say that me too I don’t know if I should buy or not what do you think bro. Dodge Pribyl If we’re getting half of the game, give it to us at half-price. Pikachief Just got an open beta invite e-mail. Will see if its really worth getting for PS360, if the online sucks then I’ll stick to Wii U. But if its anything like Gotham City Imposters or Assassins Creed, I’ll stick to playing it on ye olde XBOX LIVE. The Clockwork Being test it and please reply to me please Pikachief I had to wait till I got home. The beta invites are already all gone, so I missed out. Sadness. Bob Wilkerson Well let’s explain to them why they are just creating their own problems by releasing gimped games and blaming poor sales on the gamers and gaming platform. Don’t gimp a game and it will sell. https://www.change.org/petitions/warner-bros-interactive-bring-multi-player-into-wii-u-version-of-batman-arkham-origins-2 https://www.change.org/petitions/splash-damage-online-mode-for-wiiu-batman-arkham-origins# Yugi Nothing of value has been lost since the PC version will be the best with physx and dx11 Sidney Majurie If they don’t lower the price for Wii U by $10 or more, I’m cancelling my pre-order and waiting for the bargain bin Robbyfishersora I say lower the price, screw paying 60$ for it. Mark Oh, oh! It’s Mashiro Shiina! Hoorah. greengecko007 I think just a $5 deduction in price would be fair. Wii U buyers shouldn’t be expected to pay the same price for getting less content, but at the same time, all of the other Batman games were sold for $60 new, and they didn’t have multiplayer either. And let’s be honest, it’s going to be one of those multiplayer experiences that was just tacked on to say it’s multiplayer. ItzameyaToad Its the principle of the matter. If they give us less we should pay less PERIOD! Even if the multiplayer is bad or just tacked on I still believe I have a right to experience the multiplayer mode. If they redeemed Wii U owners purchases say with free DLC I could live with the $60 price tag but as it stands they want us to pay more for less. Petri Yes, way I see it, that MP is about 10% of the game, so 10% off from the price would be justified. david jarman I guess this is their”we’ll do whatever we can do to support the wii u” Zakariyya Al-Quran Ta ItzameyaToad So let me get this straight Wii U owners who buy this game must pay full price same as Xbox 360 ps3 and PC but it is missing multiplayer? Please tell me how they justify $59.99 price tag on Wii U if a big part of the game is missing? The Wii U version should be $39.99 tops and I will not be purchasing it until it is at that price. I wont waste money on a version with less features because Warner Bros. stupid reasoning. NkoSekirei they did say were getting dlc for it so its justify to pay full price with dlc involved ItzameyaToad IMO that still doesn’t justify paying $59.99. Sure if the DLC is free to Wii U buyers then yeah missing out on multiplayer and paying $59.99 is worth it, but saying the Wii U version will have something(dlc) that it should get anyways hardly makes it worth the full price unless like I said the DLC will be free. CMB I want a fun online multiplayer game on wii u, screw you WB I wont buy this half assed port. Nintendofreak being honest i wasnt even going to buy the game in the first place, in my list is watchdog, then blacklist, then pikmin, and then maybe ww hd So WB you didnt lose me as a customer but with this kind of bullshit you just lost many and the wiiu version is going to falter because of your stupid decision since well yeah splash damage maybe is doind the mp but they dont own the fucking game or they do, its up to WB to put mp in wiiu just give a call and tell splash to put it in and problem solved, even thought this kind of bullshit will drive away people from buying the wiiu version anyway JBeauregard Sweet, guess I’ll pick their game up in the used bargain bin in a couple years. I’m not keen on supporting a company that doesn’t support its customers. Jake I was going to get Wii U’s version till now. Edit: If the price is lower i might get both 360’s and Wii U’s version Mariokartfann ONE game shouldn’t change your opinion. Think again EDIT-Ok get it now Jake I already have a Wii U i meant the game Mariokartfann Oh, I understand now Guest If they dare charge full wack for this half-copped title then I will FREAK! Dan Solimene That’s it….I’m not buying the Wii U version then, even if they do lower the price. I’m sick of all these lazy third-parties who gimp the Wii U versions of their games, and then act surprised when it doesn’t sell. Seriously WB, fuck you. DVE This shit is so confusing to me, The reason why your games wont sell is because you the developers give WiiU users an unfair advantage by not giving your all to them. That is some BS on the real. I know I should own one but PS3 is getting boring as hell to me, All of my friends play gay of duty 24/7 (No lifes) and developers wonder why there shit don’t be selling at times. It makes me sick. They are some lazy ass true dick riders on old ass ps3 and 360 tech as to WIIU being new technology and they dont want to utilize it. Nintendo should just say fuck it and just make 1st party games only. They will make some much more money like this anyways. Im bout to stop buying 3rd party games period until they start supporting Nintendo the correct way ! >:( DVE This is the Wii all over again just wait and see, but this time expect Nintendo’s games to have the best ratings, best gameplay, best storylines, and quality as well as depth. Oh wait this always happens xD Hassan You really can’t blame publishers for not putting in extra online modes that use up extra time and resources. All you have to do is look at call of duty as an example. On a good day there might be 3000 people online. The majority playing TDM or kill confirmed. The rest of the modes aren’t even playable. Why would a publisher spend time and money on extra online or DLC when the demand isn’t there? tronic307 No, I can’t blame them, this just makes the game a no-buy. There’s a slim chance I may get it on another platform, but my enthusiasm is dampened to say the least. Anthony K Aurelia You can bet the game will cost the same for all platforms…if it is missing content, it better be missing $$$ as well. Marc Duarte If you’re just going to half-ass something from the start instead of doing it right, then you shouldn’t even bother doing it all. There’s no legitimate excuse for this kind of laziness, and businesses who act like this deserve to go under and be bought out by the competition. tronic307 Token 3rd party support is far more insulting than none at all. Andreas Sunde Fine, then I’ll focus my money on games/companies that treat me as a customer, not a peasant. Clel Actually they’re treating you as a rich fool, thinking you’ll pay full price for a gimped game. Sam Sign this if you want multiplayer! http://www.change.org/petitions/splash-damage-online-mode-for-wiiu-batman-arkham-origins NkoSekirei im still getting it just to play story mode and $hit but im not that concern about multiplayer it doesnt need to be in every game just saying single player is good enough on certain games Sam But can you sign it for everyone else? Daniel Carvalho “Hundreds, thousands of gamers who decided to support Nintendo through one or more generations have been receiving a slap to the face after the other from Third Party companies. Be it because of HD graphics, or lack of internet connection on Nintendo home consoles, they always found an excuse not to develop for the Nintendo Wii (and previous consoles as well). But now that the Wii U is out and Big N is trying to please all kinds of gamers with HD graphics, internet connectivity, a social media solely for gamers and the fun their titles have ever brought us, Third Parties have been using lame excuses, based on the sales of poorly made and outdated ports for it as reference. One example would be Mass Effect 3: it’s the port of a game that had been previously launched for Xbox 360 and PS3, exactly like their counterparts! The game just doesn’t have anything that would make someone that already owns it buy it! Exclusive titles get delayed for the sake of other platforms (an example being Rayman Legends); we get inferior versions with the lack of important features, such as online multiplayer (the most recent case being Batman: Arkham Origins); and Third Parties all complain that the Wii U doesn’t have yet a strong installed base, while they do nothing to change that scenario! This petition specifically requires that Namc Bandai Games bring Tales of Symphonia Chronicles (also known as Unisonant Pack in Japan), based on the following: 1. Tales of Symphonia was first launched for Nintendo’s Gamecube console, and was the most sold Tales of game outside of Japan. The PS2 version ended up being exclusive to Japan. Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World (ラタトスクの騎士) was also a Wii exclusive, and didn’t get a launch at any other platform until now. Players outside of Japan who want a remake of those games are most likely the very same ones who play Zelda and Mario games. 2. Just like Tales of Graces F, Symphonia was first launched for a Nintendo console, and then had a better version, with more content, launched for the rival company. What we, gamers who only have capacity to buy one console or choose so, want is for your company to respect us all equally, by giving the same versions to all platforms. 3. The Wii U is still a new platform on the market, and as such, needs more games and support from 3rd parties. A Tales of game is already enough to boost the console’s sales, let alone the classic Tales of Symphonia. The support you decide to give this new console on it’s earlier days will only bring more gamers to look for your products eventually! Gamers want to buy your games, as long as you develop them for the platforms they want to buy. If we choose to support only one company, be it for the way it treats their customers, for the exclusive titles, or simply for the sake of nostalgia, they are not simply going to change their platform. They’ll just play other games they have access to! That said, we will play your games, as long as you develop them for Wii U!” You know the way: http://www.change.org/petitions/bring-tales-of-symphonia-unisonant-pack-to-the-wii-u-as-well-the-classic-was-born-on-the-gamecube-and-wii-u-now-needs-third-party-support?utm_campaign=friend_inviter_chat&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=permissions_dialog_true Signing this petition may open the eyes of other Third Party companies as well! Let’s show them we’re not pleased with the way they do things for us! We are the market they create products for, we have the right to demand respect from their side! prettypinkpanacea Signed. Sam Signed Lil J Moore You release a game with 1/3 of content missing on a Nintendo console and feel you have the right complain? Give us the same or better content and maybe sells will pick up. Steven_Segal They won’t get Steven Segal’s money. I’ll probably wait until it’s $19.99 on eBay… Edit: They are acting like Electronic A$$holes… sorry I should say Arts. DVE I guess when I have both PS4 and WIIU its gonna be 3rd party for PS4 and 1st Party for WIIU xD Mitch Hall *Ahem* Let me just translate this explanation: “We didn’t feel like taking the time to include multiplayer because the Wii U version won’t make us much money anyway.” revolution There is a petition to get Warner Bros to include Multiplayer in the Wii U version: https://www.change.org/petitions/splash-damage-online-mode-for-wiiu-batman-arkham-origins Just over 300 people have signed. Truthteller Money talks, not petitions. For all of those complaining and saying that they won’t buy just makes publishers think that there is no point in developing for a low user base, and for one who does not want to buy the game to begin with. revolution I always say “vote with your wallet” but I think that petitions like this can’t hurt either. Rob Lucci petitions/complaining worked to get Microsoft to reverse their policies. Truthteller No, I think it was bad press which would affect sales. No matter what they say about pre-orders, PS4 is still way ahead. tronic307 Why don’t YOU buy it then? I have MOST other platforms, but WB can f*** off into outer space with this move. Truthteller I am not the one complaining. tronic307 Then why do you always come off like Nintendo pissed in your corn flakes? Zombie Boy Good God, I actually agree with you on this (to a point, anyway)! I’m still buying it because I want the main game and I’m not fussed about multiplayer. And boycotting the game completely is only going to lead to poor sales figures (again) and cause the company to stop releasing other games in future. Yeah, it sucks that the Wii U doesn’t get multiplayer, but I’d rather have 90% of a game than no game at all (now or in the future). Truthteller Is it’s still not clear to you now, it never will be. MujuraNoKamen What the hell!? How’s it fair to cut the multiplayer from the Wii U version. I know they say it’s because it makes business sense given the smaller number of Wii U owners but how can they expect it to sell if they’ve made it half a game? If they don’t add the multiplayer then the Wii U version wont sell and the devs will be wondering why. I’m telling you why so fix it for you’re own damn good! Rémi I found this extremly disapointing that such a awesome game won’t feature a multiplayer mode simply because we are not as many as the current-gen. I will not buy the game on any console for such a low move Guest Really? That’s it? Cause we’re aren’t the most multiplayer audience? Where I’m from this is a democracy! Murica! ThugLife These niggas better recognize who the true bball players are on the block. Christian Schoff MOTHER****ERS! Møhåmmęd Jårmøn So when the PS4 and Xbone come out and don’t outsell the Wiiu none of the games better have multiplayer. Nintendo4life I just won’t buy it new and give my money to a game that deserves it Sam Lets make them give us multiplayer! Who’s with me? https://www.change.org/petitions/splash-damage-online-mode-for-wiiu-batman-arkham-origins Extra Vinegary Well, there we go, now this game has gone from instant buy to rental for me. Now most people will skip the Wii U version and the company will be like “OMGERD, see no one buys Wii U games”. GODDAMNIT! Rémi Haven’t thought about rental,, thanks for the idea ! this way i can play the single player 🙂 nameucanthate There can be no explanation for this. I wanted this game so bad, I had plans set out based on my income and expenditure, I did everything I could to prepare for this game. Yet Warner Bros. stabs me in the back, saying that I’ll be playing a port, an inferior version of the game. I’m tired of companies abusing Wii U owners. I understand that Nintendo is partially in the wrong, but I just feel so betrayed. WHY DO THEY DO THIS TO US? RARE “The WiiU version won’t sell as well so we won’t include multiplayer.” That’s a self-fulfilling prophecy if I ever saw one. victor Or there other games that were full games have sold really bad so this will probably too Smartass2 I won’t buy it now. DragonSilths Warnerbros joins the list of lazy usless devs. Doubt Rocksteady would have done this…and I just pre ordered the game yesterday…screw it, canceling it and putting it towards something else. Smartass2 Might I suggest the new CoD. Petri Sarcasm? Though sadly, looks like CoD will again be the only game with notable online multiplayer coming to Wii U. And will most probably buy it, depending on the multiplayer reveal, and how much of it they announce “not coming to Wii U”. DragonSilths HA, I despise COD. I don’t consider it even a game. Its nothing more then a virus that corrupted and lowered the overall quality of the gaming industry in the 7th gen. I played a brief amount of whatever the first COD was that had Zombies…NEVER AGAIN. Its shit and pathetic. I don’t even accept people on my friends lists that play that. I want NO association with ANYBODY who actually finds enjoyment from that poor excuse for a game. Sonic oh no they didn’t Dodge Pribyl Okay, when Wii U gets a bigger audience and the online population goes up, I expect you to let us download the MP mode. LittleMofreaky That is the laziest shit I’ve ever heard. Bob Wilkerson You know cross platform online gameplay could solve all of this for now and the future. The game is running locally and just sending updates to the server to keep track of progress. In this day and age why can’t it be done in a way were people can play an online game made for multiple platforms in one community?? Probably would cut down costs and overhead dramatically in the long run. Petri Microsoft is again the only one standing in the way. They will not allow cross platform play, and demands that games use their servers. Nintendo and Sony could really damage MS, if they would start working together on the cross platform online experiences. But sadly, Sony has nothing to gain from this. And Sony might go to the direction of Microsoft with their pay to online play. Leo It’s becoming more and more evident that those developers and publishers are purposely forcing the WiiU to fade away. There may be two main reasons: 1) They simply can’t support working on three systems anymore and 2) They are favoring an western model of business. Nintendo is the epitome of the japanese culture which the western industry wants to exterminate for once and for all. Sony has sold itself to the western culture many years ago and Microsoft is the symbol of the american corporativism. Smartass2 You guest it, but it won’t work. Nintendo fans are loyal. Adam Porter lad they made the game, give them a break, how could they possibly justify running servers for a few thousand users. if they truly weren’t supporting wiiU then they wouldn’t have made the game at all, i think we should count ourselves lucky here. you can’t expect people to throw money away, just look at nintendo they are so afraid of the wiiU’s poor performance that they are afraid to advertise it cause it would be more loss attached to the console if sales didn’t increase by tenfold. i’m predicting the arrival of a new Nintendo console by e3 2015. wiiU is done and nintendo know it better than anyone, also wiiU zelda will be a launch title for the new Nintendo system. Truthteller http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/07/31/160000-reasons-for-microsoft-and-sony-to-worry.aspx David Porter Well, that does it for me- I’m canceling my Wii U pre-order and ordering it for PS3. Another nail in the coffin. Gotallofthem If you really like your WiiU, then dont buy the game at all, then you will talk with your wallet, otherwise you are part of the problem also, then WB will say, “you see people only bout it for 360 and PS3”. David Porter It’s not a battle for me, though. I just want to play Batman. I want to play it, and all content released for it, since I so enjoyed the previous two entries. The thing is– I *AM* VOTING WITH MY WALLET. I’m buying the PS3 version, because Nintendo has so fumbled this console launch that they’ve destroyed any credibility they may have had at the outset. Maybe, hopefully, mercifully, they’ll get their sh*t together, and things will pick up, but in the meantime, I’m not “part of the problem” if I choose to enjoy the same software (sorry, NOT the same… BETTER software, because it contains extra features) on another platform. In this way, I’m doing Nintendo a favor by expressly pointing out that I will not support a failing platform… rather like third party developers are doing. Leo http://images.wikia.com/glee/images/7/70/Gif-christina-aguilera-gurl-bye.gif David Porter I understand that having a library of GIFs available at your fingertips makes having nothing to say easier to deal with. MississaugaMaverick To be honest this game still looks really cool. i’m gonna end up picking this up on the wii u rsther than my ps3, just because I think the second screen is a nice feature. would be nice to have the online mode, but probably would not play it much anyways. Hope the price is 10$ cheaper though, its only fair. Gotallofthem Do these guys, the Devs, or WB have a Twitter account or Facebook. Cause if you they and you want your voice to be heard, then we need to go to those and blow up their feeds, if enough people complain, they will take notice. John Raybell Well if someone finds out, post it here so we can span the hell out of them, this slacking on wiiu titles is getting really old, and whos to blame, well not nintendo in this case, thank the DEVS for there craptastic effort, getting tired of hearing crap like this! In any case, lets spam them to death MujuraNoKamen Exactly, EVERYONE DO THIS! It’s all well and good ranting here about it but we have to take the fight to them! Here’s their twitter page ://twitter.com/splashdamage Tell them why it’s a shitty move for everyone, show them this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pm8FMrW15M&feature=youtu.be How is it fair to give Wii U owners half a game, and how do they expect the game to sell when we know it’s missing a major mode? They may say it’s for financial reasons but unless they do a proper port, no one will buy it! John Raybell Facepalm, really guys, really! WTF, so does this mean the wiiu version will be cheaper? say $20 cheaper? If not then screw that. Assholes Omega!! People sign to change this or give us all features of the game or lower the price https://www.change.org/petitions/splash-damage-online-mode-for-wiiu-batman-arkham-origins zerooooo Oh gosh another half-assed third party title. How in the world do you think this game will sell well if you remove content? Would you buy a game that has less content than the others? Im positive the answer is no. Then you wonder why wiiU owners don’t buy shit ports and say “oh we are going to hop off till the sales rise” and we miss some titles because of it. Just delay… Yes, this is a rant… Mark Thom OMG WII U HAVE NOTHING ON GAMECUBE COULD IT GET ANY WORST!!!!!! L O FUCKING L LordYukYuk A better question is, “why does any version of this game have multi-player?” This series did not need multi-player. When will people understand that nobody who knows what’s good for them wants multi-player in games that are about the single player experience. Metroid Prime 2, Bioshock 2, Mass Effect 3, all of those games would have been better if they didn’t have half-baked multiplayer modes that took away precious development time and resources from the actual mode anybody gives a crap about; single player. In this case, Wii U owners most likely won’t miss out on anything even remotely special. Michael Jurado See then you wonder why only nintendo games are good on nintendo consoles … freakings developers half ass shit ACE warner assholes fireheartis1 I signed the petition because to not get the multiplayer would just be bull crap. Aaron I wish they would give Wii U’s online a chance. Plants can’t grow if you don’t water them. Elem187 Well then, I’ll explain why I won’t purchase this game. Peace out, I’ll rent it on gamefly. Stephen Davis NO multiplayer = no buy. Its fine their just adding to their losses. If they think this OK then they are dead wrong. Its not okay. Its an outrage. How does this become the norm? Console numbers sold – do companies only think short term now? Heavy hitters are coming, and if they are smart they would add the multiplayer because console sales will increase this holiday and people will want to pick this up for anyone who is a fan of Batman. But if your gonna strip down the product and still try and sell it bare bones, then I agree it should cost a lot less and would be nice if they said future DLC added multiplayer will come to the WIIU provided the sales figures are stronger this holiday season. Doesn’t cost that much to run a server btw 56 And so the smear campaign continues … Steve Austin I won’t buy inferior copies of games released on Wii U. I recommend the rest of you not buy it either. Elem187 right there with you… i really wanted Sniper V2, but after i learned it wasnt going to have online i rented it instead… i will not reward this snub by the publisher/devs Petri Arkham Asylum was one of my favourite games ever. And when I pre-ordered this, I didn’t even expect there was going to be a multiplayer mode, which by the trailer felt kind of meh, and only worth few rounds. But I don’t know if I can buy gimped game with 10% less content for the same amount of money. I will wait until end of September, and then decide what I’ll do with my pre-order. Doctors Tardis Another game I will have to get on my PS3 instead of Wii U. Getting sick of this crap. I want my games on Wii U and to retire my PS3 but I don’t want to sacrifice content. CoD, Injustice, quite a few others and now this. Jeffery02 Trust me, I am right there with you. Sadly we are just not a voice loud enough for them to care. Not buying their games? There are too many other people who don’t care for us to really matter. We are negligible to them. 6 months from now I’m sure they’ll wonder why the Wii U versions aren’t being sold… C.S. Bailey Cut the content, cut the price. Gecko Altair I Think David Porter is freakin knowlegeiswhatsup. What is this his 5th account? IDK, ive lost track. Downvote and flag him. ICHI I didnt even know it had MP!! So though this doesnt change a lot for me and I’ll be reading reviews before I even think about picking this game up (which I always was) has anyone here asked themselves the question. A new batman game, not made by rocksteady, not proven to be any good yet, what makes you think MP would be good? Plently of games with good licences fail at making decent multiplayer. Aliens VS Predator and Colonial Marines. Riddick assault on Dark Athena are just a couple of single player focused licences which can’t make balanced MP. Even names as big as Quake and Wolfenstein had no-one on their XBOX servers, everyone is playing CoD, Halo or Gears. Why dont they axe MP all together until they’ve proven they can make a batman game? Adecentboy777 That was obvious, I’d have done the same! 🙂 Ross Brocklesby How is the wiiU mp community supposed to grow when companies do this. Nintendo are not dooming the console its greedy 3rd party devs. I won’t even buy this fuck em Elem187 I’m curious how many other companies are going to make the decision for me to rent instead of buy. So Batman has become a renter over night. I want to purchase Splinter Cell and Watch Dogs. So I’m hoping Ubisoft gives us platform parity on these titles. Krzysztof http://youtu.be/_Pm8FMrW15M Couldn’t agree more LordiMcKill After Splash Damage’s previous game (Brink) I don’t think MP is going to be missed much on the Wii U version Petri Thank god (or what ever). I thought Splash Damage was the game modes name (reading articles too quickly). But it was just a developing studio that has never made anything that good. And WB Montreal is making the main game. So it wont be really taking anything from the main game. Though still don’t feel right to pay same amount of money for less features. LordiMcKill True but i bet WB will say something stupid by claiming that the Wii U version has exclusive gameplay features with the gamepad. They could at least give it some exclusive content as a way of saying sorry. Adderell Quit trippin’ troll springer85 Aww do not cry as your Wii U IS FINISHED!!! LOL TaintedXGamer go home troll, u’re Drunk. Elem187 LMAO 00EpicGamer00 You forgot the “F”. springer85 The Wii was Nintendo’s 3rd biggest selling machine of all time, behindd the GameBoy and DS………….The Wii U IS Nintendo’s second biggest ever failure behind the Virtual BOY…………..Talk about an epic turn of fortune!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ICHI I’m obviously not over the moon the Wii u isn’t selling well because of things like this happening but none of you trolls seem to think about the correct reasons why either the lack of sales or third party support are both happening at the min. Honestly I wonder how well all of the New gen consoles are going to perform, how many people are happy enough with their ps3s and 360’s and aren’t ready to trade up. It sure sounds like lots are excited but really how loud are the hardcore supporters? Before Wii u launched a lot of the same sales or preorder numbers were thrown around. I hope the system you choose does well, I’m happy enough with my Wii u, I have been gaming and owning every system I could get my hands on since 1986. I can’t really justify buying more than one game a month these days, I think of the money and time I wasted being as big a pillock as you on forums and hope to God you are just a kid who doesn’t know better. Perhaps when you grow up a little, get a family, get a job and make a positive contribution to society and mankind’s social evolution then I will listen to you 😉 TaintedXGamer ……… Talk about a polite “Fuck you” to the face >_>….. trevelyn412 wow. this is just getting annoying now reading all the companies not bringing their shitty software to the system I paid $399 for. What a mistake that was. springer85 LOL it is your own fault for paying $399 for a console that has the same graphics as the 6 year old ps3!!! The Wii U fan base is a dire 3.6 million so why in the hell would developers make games that will not sell when they can Put a game out on 2 systems that have over 160 million fan base? Quit crying Nintendo rushed the Wii U a year early which has failed so badly it is hillarious!! Ibet you fell for reggie’s utter bull cack about how at E3 2011 that the Wii U has fantastic 3rd party support……………………only for 2 months after launch for the 3rd partys to bail out!!! LMAO trevelyn412 hah, not crying. i don’t care anymore I guess. I just don’t. I guess I am tired of reading about how devs don’t wanna touch Wii U. It’s really annoying. I am def gonna trade up when the xb1 or ps4 come out. looking forward to it! AsterDW It isn’t the same graphics as the PS3 though. Looking at games like Need For Speed on the U compared to the other consoles shows a significant improvement. Most current multiplats are the same not because the system isn’t more powerful, but because the game was developed for the lowest common system or direct ports from older versions. Those developers that took the time though show there is improvements available. papermariodude101 The reason online wasn’t popular for currently released games it’s not because players were not interested in online multiplayer but because the games that have it right now are not enjoyable to wii u owners. But Arkham city armored edition was one of the best games on wii u right now so it’s a terrible idea to not include online multiplayer to one of the best game series on wii u. Please repost this on their Facebook and try to email them to change their minds! springer85 LOL and your Facebook petitions…………why the hell would they include online when the Wii U fan base is a lame 3.6 million compared to 160 million of the ps3 and xbox 360? The Wii U will not get any decent 3rd party games with online till its user base is at least 15 million………….which will probably take another 2 years!!! LOL papermariodude101 The reason the fanbase is small is because douches like you tell people not to get it. Go to hell smashbrolink No, the reason the fanbase is small is because there’s a lack of advertisement on Nintendo’s end. Douche’s like him don’t have opinions valid enough to influence anyone but other douches, so we shouldn’t care about the idiots that are blatantly brain-dead enough to listen to him, since we wouldn’t want them on our community anyways. Keeping Miiverse and online games as douche-free as possible, even at the expense of higher numbers, should be our priority as decent-minded gamers. Rémi Good post and its true , the reason i like miiverse so much is because its a troll free community Mark Nie Congratulations. Now its not gonna sell as well as it would have. I bet it is still gonna be 60 dollars though. TrueWiiMaster Eh, I don’t care to hear their excuses. If the game doesn’t have multiplayer, it should be cheaper than the versions that do. If the Wii U version costs as much as it will on other platforms, it should have the same content. Andrew94 Screw those games then,I’ll place my money on primarily nintendo games that’s the sole reason i got the console.if I really wanted to be play cod I should had bought and Xbox. In due time, the will you will sell good.. blindtiger hmm… boycott elbrody We should sign a petition to try and make them lower the price 00EpicGamer00 I’m not sure who the dumb one is. Since you’re incapable of producing correct speech. Seriously? “you really are dumb!!!”? That’s the absolute BEST argument, you could think of? Also, if you hate Nintendo so much, why are you supporting the Wii? andrewjcole “The team is focusing development efforts on platforms with the largest MP audience.” Boy, was that a stupid statement. How do you expect it to build a MP audience when there are no MP games?! Link Slayer You know I’m In the rutt with the Wii U right now and have been for few months but this is rediculious and 3rd party publishers wonder why they dont sell games on the Wii U. Its sad the Wii U is getting half baked versions of games. We dont get good dlc and half assed games from 3rd parties so there is no insentive for other people who dont have a Wii U to buy a Wii U for these games and it makes Nintendo fans mad at the publishers and help there descision on not buying the game. This isnt Nintendos fault here. I have some beef with Nintendo about other things but this I cant hold against them. If I still had my Wii U I was going to get this game for my Wii U. I hope Nintendo does good and sells a crap tone of there first party titles this holiday and they can laugh at those 3rd party publishers that arnt giving them support. I hope Nintendo does so well that those companies come running to Nintendo and Nintendo says no while the 3rd parties Like Sega Ubisoft and Monolift are expanding there teams making hit games for Wii U. Thats what I hope happens anyway. I love Batman and I love Batman Games but I really am upset by this. springer85 Nintendo squandered their 1 year release lead by doing absolutley NOTHING!!!. They released an outdated underpowered overpriced system, with weak online, lame launch games and expected the moms and grandparents to flog in to their motion control gimmicks all over again and rush out and buy it!!!!!!!!!!!! Patcher said last November that the Wii U was launched 3 years to late and that the first year on the U will be a total joke and prove that the machine was rushed and that they really thought they could live off 3rd party shovel cack till the AAA games came. Funny that Patcher was %100 correct!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Wii U was released at the wrong time, 3 years ago when Wii sales where lagging is when they should have released it, but they got greedy which has backfired big time!! Sam Keep signing the petition! springer85 LOL at you Nintendo lovers totally forgetting that the 3ds only had the Vita as competition, this xmas the Wii U will go up against 2 NEXT GEN CONSOLES!!!! The ps4 is only $50 more which is an awesome deal for consumers, comes with 500gb and a blu ray player!!! People who were thinking of buying a Wii U who was not a Nintendo lover, now only have to save up an extra $50 for a next gen machine that blows the Wii U out of the water on so many levels!!! It is to little to late for Nintendo, for 7 months their were zero adverts on tv about the Wii U i mean how pathetic can you get?This generation Nintendo’s cockiness with be their downfall!!! I_I Just tell me why do I need a multiplayer for a single player game and why do we need to make everything in multi or online why . Can’t I buy it just for the single mod. And who cares about Batman in comics he’s a super detective and in these game he’s just a wanna be bad ass macho come on besides games based on comics should’ve a Cell Shade style not realistic what next a first person batman shooter with maps I’m skipping this game unless we owners decide to buy it just to make a point other than that western comics as dead to me nothing came good from them I’m sticking with the manga Stephen Davis I REPEAT No online = NO BUY!!! Boycott this game. WiiU owners have gotten alot of low quality releases lately in the form of companies proposing new ways to screw us over. Its time to put a stop to all of it. Boycott companies that do this. This is absolute ludicrous. It doesn’t take much to run an online server. In fact we should start a petition. Whos with me on this?