TechCrunch has written an editorial that is rather scathing concerning the Wii U and Nintendo. According to the author, Nintendo has failed to make great products for a number of years. Apparently the smashing success of the DS and the uptake of the 3DS mean little to the author. Here’s what’s said about the Wii U: As of right now, it’s a colossal failure. Maybe some key holiday releases alleviate the issue. But the fact is that it’s a poor concept accentuated by poor hardware. If Nintendo was smart, they’d write it off right now. Of course, there’s no denying that Wii U sales have been slow, but it’s interesting to see how so many are so eager to write off Nintendo just because of a slow start. It’s not like the 3DS didn’t also have a slow start, but look at it now. What do you think? local_offer Nintendo techcrunch wii u stars Further Reading Nintendo loses patent appeal, ordered to pay Nintendo was brainstorming about Switch when Nintendo4life The Wii U is awesome Magnus Eriksson But you have to admit he is right too. Wii U is a total failure until now. Laud Total failure? I’m pretty sure a total failure would be the 32x from Sega. They’ve sold decently and have a good software to hardware ratio, they aren’t failing at all they just aren’t moving up much. AlienFanatic The Sega Dreamcast is considered a failure and it sold 10 Million systems. The Wii-U has currently “shipped” (not sold) an estimated 3.5 Million. Let’s see where it ends up. Laud You have to realize that Sega was already in a horrible financial state. Nintendo has money to back them up and they’re Nintendo, they always have something up their sleeves. Magnus Eriksson Is that really an argument in favor of Wii U? Does that have anything to do with Wii U as a failed product? No. Laud They’re making money off the Wii U with software sales. Success just like the gamecube. Daniel Gonzalez Far as I can tell, software sales aren’t even up either. Magnus Eriksson No, they dont. Not with this installbase. Daniel Gonzalez Can’t see how with less than 4 million. ItzameyaToad If the game is good enough to cross the 1 million threshhold at $60 they make alot of money and should profit off of there game. Granted if it is a super ridiculous budget game that selling 4 million isn’t considered a success(Tomb Raider) then yeah your probably no going to make a profit on Wii U at this point. AlienFanatic The only games selling 1M+ are Nintendo titles. Has there been even one 3rd party game that sold a million? I can’t seem to find any. AlienFanatic I don’t disagree that Sega was in dire straits, but I also don’t agree that Nintendo has a cohesive strategy. Everything Iwata has done so far makes me think he’s rudderless. Apology after apology, yet I don’t see any major 3rd party companies hopping aboard nor do I see anything but a small price drop and an exclusive bundle to help spur sales. D.M.T And what makes you think Nintendo is the only one to blame for the lack of 3rd party games on Wii U? I think 3rd parties dont want to support Nintendo because they want Nintendo to exit the console market. This sounds like nonsense to you maybe but I honestly think that 3rd parties are trying to take over completely of the gaming industry and they wont be able to take over as long as Nintendo is here. Daniel Gonzalez I doubt they are trying to take over. Lol. That’s quite a bold statement. They’re a business, and they’re not trying to drive Nintendo out, Nintendo just doesn’t offer them what they’re looking for. It’s like I said, most 3rd parties have their own vision and Nintendo has theirs. Not much can be done when both are on opposite sides of the field. D.M.T Not everything is simple as you put it. They are a business which means that there’s politics going on behind the scenes. The reason why they don’t support Nintendo is because Nintendo doesn’t kiss their asses and doesn’t bend over to them like Sony and Microsoft. Guest Then maybe Nintendo should start puckering up. D.M.T Nintendo will not and SHOULD NOT become a puppet like Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo should never kiss ass or bend over. What Nintendo needs to do is continue to be different and prove everyone wrong. If Nintendo dies than they can at least be proud of themselves for everything they have done for this gaming industry. Daniel Gonzalez Sony and Microsoft aren’t puppets, they’re doing what every business does, compromises. Sony and Microsoft made hardware that benefits them and 3rd parties, which makes both sides happy. Nintendo on the other hand, made a console that goes by their own standards, with little to no input from 3rd party. If Nintendo dies for this reason, then they are fools. Lol. I suppose those thousands of workers who will be unemployed mean nothing to you. True, they can find new jobs, but in the real world, it isn’t that simple. D.M.T Why should Nintendo make a console that goes by someone else standards? Nintendo shouldn’t make hardware that makes others happy, Sony shouldn’t do that either but they don’t want to take the risks that Nintendo takes so they just listen to 3rd parties. 3rd parties should be able to make games on any console regardless of hardware. Why should they care that Wii U isnt on par with PS4 and Xbox One? I thought they wanted to make money? I thought they had true passion for video games? The Wii U is Nintendo’s console, they decide how powerful the Wii U should be, 3rd parties don’t have the right to decide how powerful a console should be, all they need to do is make great games. Nintendo4life Never going to happen and im glad they don’t Daniel Gonzalez Perhaps, but as you said it, that’s business. Unfortunately, kissing ass is part of the game of business. If Nintendo doesn’t want to, then that’s their own problem. However, this goes both ways. For all you know, Nintendo expects 3rd parties to kiss their ass. Unless you work for Nintendo, theres no truth in yours or my words. Interesting post nonethless. Brandon Gardner Nintendo needs to humble themselves to get more 3rd party support D.M.T Why Nintendo? Why can’t 3rd parties humble? They are the ones who needs to humble and support Nintendo Daniel Gonzalez It goes both ways as I said before. Can’t expect them to do it if Nintendo isn’t. D.M.T And you can’t expect Nintendo to do it if they won’t. It goes both ways indeed. I don’t want Nintendo to beg for support because that’s not who they are. AlienFanatic Interesting, and paranoid, theory there. See, I’m more of a capitalist who believes that these companies primarily want to make money. And they can only make money if they can sell enough units. The problem with the Wii-U is that it is not next-generation hardware. That means that developers have to scale back on games they’re already developing for the next-gen systems. Also, because the PS4 and XB1 are both running x86 chips, porting PS4/XB1 games to the Wii-U will take extra effort. The same holds true of porting 360/PS3 games. Whereas they can justify making new PS3 and 360 games due to the enormous number of systems on the market, there is no similar argument to be made for the Wii-U. The problem is that Nintendo has only managed to sell 3.5 million systems to the stores. (That doesn’t mean that all 3.5M are in the hands of consumers.) When a developer decides to port a game, they have to weigh the cost of development against the likely number of units sold. Right now, the Wii-U has sold an abysmal number of units in its first year, and the trend is not upwards. The developers are rightly concerned that if they port something to the Wii-U, they cannot possibly sell enough units to make a profit. (Story after story has been written about how 3rd Party Wii-U games are typically selling very poorly.) The problem is not that these 3rd parties hate Nintendo, but rather that they don’t see any money in making games for the platform. It’s a sad reality when they can’t even justify handing it off to a cheap Eastern European team to perform a half-hearted port, as they often do. D.M.T Call me paranoid if you want but i dont believe anything you just said I’m sorry. I don’t believe everything is black and white. Truth is, 3rd parties always have an excuse not to support Nintendo consoles. This have been going on since the GameCube. The Wii U hardware is not the reason for the lack of 3rd party support, the install base is not the reason either because they are supporting the PS4 which has a install base of 0. The reason for the lack of 3rd party support is politics. They don’t want to support Nintendo because they want Sony and Microsoft at the top in the gaming industry. They don’t want Nintendo to dominate like they once did in the 80’s and 90’s. It’s politics, not hardare or Wii U’s install base. Not everything is simple as you put it, it goes beyond that. You might think this ia just a conspiracy theory but I think it’s true. Mercurio2054 360 and ps3 are RISC architecture, just like the Wii u, they talk the same language, so i don’t see the reason why someone say “port a game is difficult”. Brandon Gardner I think you are wrong on that one it is because of the hardware…. Software companies were giving feedback and opinion on the One and PS4 while it was still in the making…. PS4 and Microsoft listen to the software companies on what they need to make the system better…. D.M.T It’s not because of hardware. Hardware is not the main reason. Politics is the main reason for the lack of support. GameCube was more powerful than PS2 and it lacked support. PS2 got all the support and was the weakest console. Daniel Gonzalez Looking at God of War and 2 on ps2……I don’t know. That can easily be questioned, but I digress. D.M.T Compare GameCube exclusives to PS2 exclusives and you’ll see Daniel Gonzalez I played both Nintendo and PS2 exclusives on a daily basis two gens ago. I never saw a significant difference. So again, it’s debatable. D.M.T The difference were not big but they are there. Daniel Gonzalez It depended on the games. For instance, Resident Evil 4 looked better on the Gamecube, but to be fair, it was designed for the gamecube so porting to PS2 gave it its obvious downscaling. For instance, poor textures and lighting. However, God of War 2 from what I can see was superior graphically to Resident Evil 4 on the Gamecube. Each system had their fair share of ups and downs game wise. With that said, there was almost no difference. Some outshine the other. D.M.T It was downscaled on PS2 because its weaker dude… Brandon Gardner Mindsets have changed majority of people now care more about graphics games powerful systems not just one…. I am a major nintendo fan and can admit they could have did better on the wii u…. They could have invested more and not receive the backlash people are giving them…. its more than “politics” people want a powerful system…. D.M.T Nintendo would receive backlash even if the Wii U was more powerful than PS4. People just like to bash Nintendo because its the cool thing to do these days. Pathetic. Ice Climbers 3DS still has crappy 3rd party support in comparison to Microsoft and Sony (minus the Vita). 3rd parties know that handhelds are more profitable than consoles and that Nintendo dominates the handheld market, yet they still refuse to support their handhelds for the most part. They are more likely to support the Vita than the 3DS. Yes, these 3rd parties do hate Nintendo, to an extent. They respect Nintendo for their games, but otherwise could care less. The big name 3rd parties basically control the industry right now, except on Nintendo systems. Derk So you are mad that he used the word total? They aren’t releasing games and the games that they do release aren’t very good… Even now, Companies are starting to copy the gamepad and bring it to other consoles… That is the worse thing that could have happened for Nintendo. What sets them apart now? Their exclusive 2D platforms? BTW, Those of you that are hating on good graphics is like hating on the gamepad… It is the major selling point for these other companies. Mercurio2054 “Companies are starting to copy the gamepad and bring it to other consoles” so you think this will work like the wiiu ? i can tell that you don’t have a wii u… Nintendo4life Just a rip off of the wii u Mercurio2054 i think it will do the off-tv play, but not the multiplayer option, the touch screen, see you tube while you navigate in the other screen,see youtube in both screens, etc. Guest You forget that those gamepads won’t be integrated to the other platforms so it isn’t the same thing and Nintendo will still have something that sets them apart and that is games built with the gamepad in mind. And the sad day when the major selling point of a console is pretty graphics haha. You do a huge disservice to “those other companies” assuming you are talking about Microsoft and Sony. A majority of the people buy Playstation and Xbox for the experience they get with there exclusive games. People care at least IMO more about how much fun they have playing great games more so than good graphics, and both Playstation and Xbox have some great games there is no denying that. Rick van der Linde I’m enjoying the system, so it’s not a total failure. Magnus Eriksson Thats good, but I talk from a general business perspective. So far it sold less in a year than Nintendo thought it would sell the first three months. That must be a failure? Nintendofreak n nobody says nothing about the vita Nintendo4life Because it was beaten so bad by 3ds the’re to ashamed to admitted it Daniel Gonzalez Because this isn’t about the Vita. Vita is old news. Nintendo4life Yeah but you have to admit the Vita is crap Daniel Gonzalez Vita’s main problem is that most of it’s games are ports from consoles. So, I’m not surprised that it failed. I suppose it’ll make a decent controller for the PS4 however. Magnus Eriksson Really? Vita is mentioned four times by different participators only in this thread. I think you guys does nothing but talk about Vita when Wii U problems are on the table. Nintendo4life Because vita is a failure and have no games tht are good ..Wii U has more games atleast and continues to grow …slow but better than that crap vita Nintendofreak i really dont see any problems since every console from nintendo has had a shitty start then it eventually gained momentum and everyone forgot about it… if u believe the wiiu is a failure then just dont buy it and shut the fuck up u.u Daniel Gonzalez Agreed. ItzameyaToad IMO and from a business stand point it has sold fairly well and had a good launch.If you look at it it took 360 and PS3 several months to even reach Wii U’s sales numbers. If we want to look at a failure of a console we look no further than Vita. Vita has done awful for almost 2 years while the Wii U has done ok for almost 1 year. Take your pick on which is more of a failure. Daniel Gonzalez That’s the thing. Not everyone sees it that way. Personally, I think it is. Far as I know, it hasn’t hit 4 yet. Nintendo4life Let me ask you something..It’s true wii u has some problems but why do you dodge truth about the failure called vita..you come here and bash the Wii U at every turn and so people have the right to bash that crap called vita..and yes im a sony fan but what your doing makes no sense Daniel Gonzalez No one dodges the truth of the Vita. This has been old news. We acknowledge it. We just don’t see why bring it up whenever there is news on Wii U’s failure. It’s like people on here are always looking at others failure to make it seem that Wii U isn’t. Lol. I think most are well aware of the Vita, but then again, that is a handheld and not a console. Even PSP wasn’t a true success. Nintendo4life At this point i could care less i have the wii u for games i want on that platform and the ps4 for games that made for that console. but i just get tired of all this crap about how one is better than the other..Now psp was a awesome handheld Daniel Gonzalez People will always have an issue with this. Diehard fanboys will continue to cause wars amongst each other, not just here but everywhere. So with that said, it’s hard to have a peaceful discussion. Lol. I don’t know if I’ll get a Wii U, it all depends if it’ll still be around and if games that I want are available. Nintendo4life If they would release a huge zelda game or a awesome metroid game i bet it would sell more Daniel Gonzalez Metroid I don’t think will help it since it’s not a huge system seller, but Zelda would certainly help it, yes. Mercurio2054 Even PSP wasn’t a true success.? wait, I’m not a Sony fan (100% Nintendo), but i can’t say that a handheld that sold 70+ millions is a fail. Daniel Gonzalez Sales in this case don’t really matter. It was a fail in regards that most of it’s software were ports from the pS2. So from that aspect, it was. I give DS more props last gen. Steven_Segal Does the bad sales mean that is not awesome? The Gamecube and the N64 sold poorly compared to the other consoles but they were awesome as well! Magnus Eriksson Didnt sell this bad no. Nintendo4life The Vita is one of the worst handhelds ever made now and should be scraped Daniel Gonzalez I know we all try to compare other consoles to validate our points, but it doesn’t change the fact that the Wii U is failing as we speak. Nintendo4life So will the Ps4 and xbox one …I say give it a few years before calling the Wii U a failure Daniel Gonzalez Xbox One and PS4 aren’t even out yet, and their preorders hit over a milion. So it’s safe to say they’re going to have a strong holiday. After that? I don’t know, that remains to be seen. While the norm is that new consoles have a slow start during their first year, the norm doesn’t always hold up. This is why statistics aren’t always relevant. Either way, comparisions get us nowhere. Nintendo and it’s fans should worry more about their console and less about what the competition is doing. Je Saist Not quiet true Daniel, at least not the Xbox Part. The PS4 has been in ramped to full production since July, and if Hon Hai follows through on announced plans that will place around ~3 million units ready to ship on launch day. Right now over half that stock is (reportedly) accounted for in pre-sales; and every time another production finishes Sony is authorizing more Pre-Orders, such as the recent Amazon bundle with a second controller. The Xbox One on the other hand… well. It took up until, well officially this week according to Microsoft, for all initial Launch Units to be accounted for. Assuming that Microsoft and Sony offered the same amount of units on launch day at E3… this means that the Xbox One only now managed to reach the same number of systems that the PS4 reached… in three days. Best information that I can track on the Xbox One places total pre-sales units somewhere south of 250,000 units total; and that’s worldwide, not US Only. Sony’s announcement of over 1 million (1.2 something confirmed at time of date) is considered to be one of the nails in Steve Ballmer’s coffin; Microsoft already wrote off Surface and a billion dollar loss, and the Xbox One is shaping up to be another colossal flop. Incidentally, the lack of sales on the Xbox One were also a contributing factor to Investors… once again… telling the Board of Directors and whoever the new incoming CEO is… to get rid of the Xbox franchise. Other factors have been the steady roll-back of nearly every policy Microsoft announced at E3 2013. Microsoft hasn’t been backing off from their anti-consumer, anti-gamer, trade-hostile, digital-rights-restrictive position because they wanted to, or because Don was fired… They’ve been backtracking because the Xbox One isn’t selling. The most telling bullet point so far is the “Accidental” reveal of TitanFall running on a PS4 by Game Informer. Accidental my rear end. In all, yes, Sony’s going to have a strong holiday. Microsoft? Well, if sales trajectories hold true, the Xbox One and it’s $500 price point will make the WiiU’s previous years performance look like a raging success. * * * As to the WiiU, I’ve heard some interesting retail tidbits. Remember that ZeldaHD WiiU Bundle? It’s out of stock on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Wii-Limited-Edition-Windwaker-U/dp/B00EV4O8VS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378402694&sr=8-1&keywords=WiiU+Zelda+bundle Gamestop still has some left: http://www.gamestop.com/wii-u/consoles/the-legend-of-zelda-wind-waker-hd-wii-u-limited-edition-bundle/111373 We also know that the Gamestop Bundle with the Ganondork (nope, not sorry) figure already sold out. That’s a few of pretty impressive sales records for a console TechCrunch seems quick to write off. Rather, if my own sources are correct, the WiiU likely already sold more consoles than the Xbox One has pre-ordered… just on the Zelda themed console. * * * The point here is that writing off Nintendo’s console is a huge mistake. The price point for the WiiU is certainly attractive. Nintendo also has an advantage that Microsoft doesn’t have… the WiiU is receiving games that people actually want to play. Fair enough, that advantage does extend over the PS4. Sony’s console doesn’t actually have any exclusive titles that scream “Take Me Home Tonight.” However, Sony is counting on the price-point and a developer embrace that ensures there will be desirable games in the pipeline. Whichever way it goes, the only real question right now is whether or not there will be a Microsoft Xbox franchise next year… or if we’ll be saying Hello to the Samsung Xbox instead. (and if I have to explain that last statement, you really need to be reading me on G+) Andreas Sunde Can you give sources for the claims about writing off Surface, the Xbone preorders, and being asked to get rid of the franchise? Not doubting you, I just want to have a source for discussions about this. I wonder how they will do with their recently aquired phone business, though. Je Saist Andreas: think for a second about who I am. If you are seriously asking me to cite who I called over the phone, who I sent emails to, or who I got emails from? The answer is no. I protect my sources. I’m not about to let loose a name or an indication of who might have said something if there is any chance that their talking will cost their job. Now as far as Surface, that’s public on the $900 Million dollar loss reported just what… two weeks ago? It’s also backed by multiple vendors publicly ceasing Surface RT production, the most notable being Acer stating they are dropping Surface RT completely. It’s no secret that Investors aren’t happy with the Surface expenditures and losses. Getting rid of Xbox Franchise? Listen on some of Microsoft’s financial conference calls. Even AllthingsD is now noting the number of investors calling for Microsoft to get rid of the Xbox Franchise. It’s also not an industry secret that Samsung already offered to purchase the Xbox Franchise earlier this year; and if I am to believe a couple of memos… still has an open offer. Andreas Sunde Sorty, I’ve never heard of you before, didn’t know you have inside sources. Thanks for the info, though! Nintendo4life Well i own the wii u and love it and will own a ps4 and im not to worried about the Wii U after a year after the other two are out than we can truly judge the Wii U than Nintendo4life I disagree the wii u came out strong as well and so anything can happen but for people to call wii u dead are doing it at there own peril Lil J Moore How is the WiiU failing? I’m digging up every point to see how? Nintendo4life Nah i wouldn’t call it a failure..The Vita…That was a failure Magnus Eriksson Why talk about Vita in a Nintendo forum? Do you think Nintendo do better just by talking about Vita? Isnt it better to adress the problems that makes Wii U a faiure instead of talking about Sony? Daniel Gonzalez Too true. Comparing who has done worse doesn’t make the Wii U any less of a failure than it is now. I doubt Nintendo cares how the Vita is doing. They care about how they’re doing. Nintendo4life Wii U maybe having some problems but so will the other 2…It will sell out at first than it will be those who are left who will deside what to get and with ps4 and xbox one being so much higher people will get the wii u over the other 2 due to price..Now myself i am getting the PS4 and don’t hate sony Daniel Gonzalez Sounds like you’re hoping they’ll fail just like Wii U. You might be right, but then again, you may eat your words. Price isn’t a factor if it has a million preorders. Lol. If price was an issue, then it wouldn’t even get half of that. I am going for a PS4 as well, and I don’t play favorites either. I just tell it as I see it. All in all though, we’ll just have to see what happens. Nintendo4life Oh i don’t want the ps4 to fail im getting one but im just stating a fact but like i said before im just a gamer who games Daniel Gonzalez Same here. Nintendo4life Myself im ready for Watchdogs Magnus Eriksson Why are you talking about PS4 and XBOne? To be honest, Im not the right audience for that and I think it goes for most people here. I might pick a PS4 down the road, but that depends. I got a Wii U day 1. What do that tell you? Well, yes, Im disappointed with it, and I think Nintendo is to blame for releasing an highly flawed totally unsupported console to the market. But I bought it because I didnt think it would be this bad. Its basically bad at every possible level. But I hope it will be better, but doesnt really see that happening anytime soon. Nintendo4life Because im a gamer who games and i have my ps4 paid off and getting day one but i also own a Wii U that has alot of awesome games including indie games david jarman What so flawed about it? Xbox has a messy folder system that’s overrated. It takes just about as much time to load up an app. HDD hard drive is not that reliable and pretty expensive to buy the drives for Xbox. Wii u wara wara plaza is a cool way to advertise and see people’s apps. You have to be complete moron to not be able to move your apps around arrange like you would on a tablet. I have had little to no issues with games loadin and leaving games. Internet browser is awesome and I can type using the game pad. I can multitask between gamepad and tv. I can have a video running while searching and setting up for the next video. I can control my tv and dvr . The best part is I only had to purchase one on launch day unlike my Xbox. Nintendo4life Why comment on a Wii U forum if you dislike Wii U..Just saying Magnus Eriksson Because I dont dislike Nintendo. I grew up with them. Its like family. I dont dislike a brother just because he have huge problems, or failing big time. But I can see that Wii U clearly have problems. It was quite evident a month or two, and since then it only got worse. Wonder when you guys will see that too? blindtiger i think everyone can agree that wii u has had problems… the argument is that its not as horrible as techcrunch would like us to think. neither the wii u nor nintendo are doomed… ItzameyaToad Exactly. Nintendo4life It has it’s problems but so will the other 2 and the price alone won’t help them but each to there own. Im getting a PS4 and will keep my Wii U but i will never buy another vita just as you will pass on the Wii U GregoryRasputin The Wii U has problems and its fanboys like you, who have made those problems worse, instead of protecting the company you love, you put it in a cloud and pretend it has no problems, which is far more damaging than actually acknowledging the problems it has. Nintendo4life Loser im not a fanboy..Im a gamer a fanboy is someone who is stuck to one console and so again think before you comment and i will be getting the ps4 and if you don’t like nintendo or it’s wii u don’t buy it but stop your complaining and crying…From your comment your the fanboy…LOL GregoryRasputin With a name like “Nintendo4Life”, you are no doubt a Nintendo fanboy, its quite clear and evident. As for me being a fanboy, i own a Wii, a Wii U a PS3, a Nintendo DS and a PS Vita, the only thing i am a fanboy is games consoles. Also you call me a loser, yet you have the typing skills and punctuation of a loser 🙂 Nintendo4life Oh no did i hit a nerve poser…Yep i did and again i was gaming when you were a cunt stain in your mama’s panties. But try again trooper. Your trolling skills really suck…:) GregoryRasputin Yet im not the one that has to resort to childish trolling, the only nerves that have been hit are yours Mr Nintendo Fagboy 🙂 I also love how you call me a troll, for pointibng out the fact that Nintendo is trouble, but yet you deny they have any problems, you are the prime example of a mentally retarded fanboy. Though i commend you for turning a mature discussion into a childish slanging match 🙂 Nintendo4life Meh! Nintendo4life Get a life! GregoryRasputin lol that’s the best you could muster, i guess you finally where able to see past your stupidity <3 Nintendo4life Nah you have already been exposed and retire from gaming…You are a disgrace GregoryRasputin You calling the Vita a failure, is just as bad as people calling the Wii U a failure :p Nintendo4life But that is true it is a failure and sony won’t even show any new games at E3 GregoryRasputin Then you are no better than the people slating the Wii U, you are in the same boat, in fact you are worse. Sam Really? The WiiU is awesome. Not a total failure. The SEGA DreamCast was a total failure. And the WiiU isn’t even one year old yet, and most of the games haven’t even been released yet!! Daniel Gonzalez It is at the moment sales wise. Your point might hold stronger depending on what happens after the holidays. Guest here i got you something.. Now go douche your vagina. that shit fuckin’ reeks!!! ;} http://www.rv7blog.com/images/20100912_sandpaper.jpg Guest Hahahaha GregoryRasputin The Wii U is awesome and i wish game developers would give it a chance, but at the moment they aren’t and this is Nintendo’s fault Daniel Gonzalez Indeed, it is. They don’t cater too well to 3rd parties. I know people think that Nintendo tries hard to do so, but articles never tell you the whole story. None of us know what goes on behind closed doors. From where I see it, it seems they need a lot of work. GregoryRasputin Nintendo needs to come into the present day and realise that gamers just don’t want games, they want the super graphics to go with those games. I see many sites referring to the Wii U as the same generation as the PS3 and 360 and that isn’t good, but i guess Nintendo decided that low powered was the way to go, because the Wii was extremely popular. Nintendo4life Who gives a damn about the graphics..If i want awesome graphics i have my PC. I really want awesome gameplay and story and not just some fancy looking graphics GregoryRasputin The people who will be choosing the PS4 and Xbox One over the Wii U and the people that refused to buy the Wii U because of its graphics. Seriously, being a fan of something is good, but being a fanboy isn’t, it clouds any reasonable judgement you may have, which is clearly apparent here. D.M.T Being a fan of graphics is good but being a graphics whore isn’t. The problem i have with your statement is that Wii U’s graphics isn’t bad, it’s just not as good as PS4 or Xbox One. People who refuse to buy a console because of graphics are not real gamers. Graphics should never be number 1 to a gamer, the type of games and gameplay should come first. If people want graphics then get a PC. It’s that simple really. GregoryRasputin You obviously haven’t read any of my other posts, i own a Wii U and i enjoy my Wii U, perhaps instead of dictating to people how and what they should post, you should take time to actually read what people say 🙂 D.M.T You misunderstood me. I never accused you personally of being a graphics whore, I said people who refuse to buy a Wii U because of graphics are graphic whores and should not be gaming on consoles but on PC. If you are offended by what I said then you are guilty of being a graphics whore but i did not insult you personally. Daniel Gonzalez Not necessarily graphics whores. They just prefer state of the art graphics with their gameplay. I guess we can use the logic that Nintendo fans are gameplay whores and want nothing but gameplay. I think it’s silly to bash each other for personal interests we may have. I think that makes it pretty fair for both sides. D.M.T Gameplay is the most important thing about video games so if Nintendo fans are gameplay whores then they are true gamers because gameplay = video games. Graphics should never be as important or more important than gameplay. Graphics is second and should stay second. Magnus Eriksson I dont think anyone thinks that graphics stands over gameplay. But graphics is a visual indicator of progression. Nintendo have been behind the last gen, and most of 3rd party involvment resulted in a pile of showelware. I think some people are afraid that this will repeat itself. SNES could do what NES couldnt, we saw this immediately. The same was evident between SNES and N64, and also N64 and GCN. But it was not true with GCN and Wii. One of the graphical best looking games on Wii was Twilight Princess, and it looked the same as the GCN version. Mario Sunshine and Galaxy, well a slight difference but not that big. So what about Wii U and Wii? Looks much better, thats for sure. But compared to PS3 and XB360? No, not really. The best games on those consoles looks actually way better than anything on the Wii U. “Last of Us” for example, way better looking than Zombi U. So people FEELS that Nintendo are behind this gen. It have the GamePad, sure. But PS4 and PS3 has the Vita. XB have smartglass. The GamePad is simply not cool enough or unique enough as a selling point. On top of that Nintendo seems to be last gen. Nintendo had fallen in love with the idea of the pad and thought it would be Wii Us version of the motion controller success, it wasnt. Thet were wrong, simply as that. It does not give the customer any feel that this enchances gameplay over its competitors like the Wii Mote had done. Wii U is dead now. It was crucial for Nintendo to get third parties onboard, and they lost all of them. And they wont jump aboard again. Its to late now. No one of them have ongoing projects on Wii U. That means that if they jump aboard now, we will either see a lot of showelware 6 months from now or if a miracle happened, some few games in a year and a half. But that would mean a sudden explosion in sales because of titles like Windwaker. Thats unlikely. What about christmas? Lets pretend like Nintendo sells 5M, a very exaggerated number, in the hoidays. Then Nintendo got an installbase of 8.5M and could attract some 3rd P’s. What games are they willing to make that will be out 1.5 years from january? The little stuff, not big titles because that would be a waste. So at best we will see some titles from 3rd P’s 2.5 years in the cycle. Wii U is probably done goofing in its 6th year. Thats almost halfway there… No, time to be realistic. Wii U is dead as a floating fish at sea. D.M.T I’m getting pretty tired of explaining the same things over and over again. Just think whatever you want magnus. I don’t agree with anything you said and i’m not in the mood to explain why. All I can say is that one day soon enough you will have to eat your own words just like other Wii U naysayers. Clel Nobody is forcing you to explain the same things over and over again. Daniel Gonzalez Graphics are tied to gameplay, so yes, they also have a big importance. To call gamers who love Sony and Microsoft games not true gamers is pretty poor outlook to have on the gaming industry. Just because you don’t feel graphics are important, doesn’t mean you’re right. You’re wrong for even dismissing them. As said, hardcore gamers are also gameplay whores, because you can’t play a game without gameplay and you can’t play a game without graphics on the screen. So again, that makes no sense. Like it or not, they’re tied together as one. So you just defeated your own argument. Steven_Segal Gameplay is what mades or breaks a game. The game can have bad graphics but if the gameplay is fun it’s a good game in my opinion so personally I disagree with that the ”Graphics are tied to gameplay”. Daniel Gonzalez Those bad graphics as you say are graphics. Lol. So again, they’re tied to the gameplay. Has nothing to do with high end visuals. Agree to disagree, I know. D.M.T You misunderstood me yet again. I can’t say I’m surprised. I never said graphics isn’t important, of course it’s important but it’s not and shouldn’t be tied to gameplay. Gameplay is and should be more important than graphics. I said people who refuse to buy a Wii U for the graphics is not a true gamer. I never said that gamers who love Sony and MS games are not true gamers. Graphics is important but gameplay should never take a backseat to graphics. Gameplay is more important. Daniel Gonzalez You misunderstand as well. I never said gameplay wasn’t important. You keep saying that, not me. My point is that they’re both important and they are tied together. Also, people say they don’t buy a Wii U is because it doesn’t have the high end graphics they’re looking for. So I just find it funny when a diehard Nintendo fan(not talking about you in particular) says they don’t matter on here, it sounds silly to me. They have to have graphics for you to even play the game. I know they’re trying to say they don’t need to be high end, but then again, perhaps they should be more specific on what they mean. D.M.T Dude…I never accused you for saying gameplay isnt important. What is wrong with you? You are constantly putting words in my mouth. If you think that graphics is tied with gameplay the fine, good for you Daniel, I just don’t agree and I already explained why. david jarman But ps4 and Xbox are both not stated of the art graphics and a lot who gone to the shows and played the demo have stated more like a good pc on medium setting. Why does anyone have to be a whore? Why can’t we all just be video gaming enthusiasts? GregoryRasputin lol it would take a lot, lot more to offend me, than some kid who doesn’t have a clue what he is ranting about 🙂 D.M.T Some kid who doesn’t have a clue huh? Why does the internet always assume that someone is a kid just because they don’t agree with what he’s saying? You haven’t said one intelligent thing yourself so you must be a kid too. GregoryRasputin It is the way you are acting, your dictating and insults, which lead me to believe you are a child, stop acting like a kid and people wont assume you are a kid 🙂 Oh and the fact you keep down voting my posts, because they keep hurting your butt. D.M.T The problem with your statement is that i’m not acting like a child and i’m not insulting you or anybody. I’m just being honest and speaking my mind. Maybe you should stop judging a book by it’s cover sir 🙂 GregoryRasputin Oh its ok for you to be “honest and speak your mind”, but when Daniel Gonzalez does it, you jump all over him, you sir are a hypocrite and a child like one at that 🙂 D.M.T Lol are you kidding me? Lol the internet is one funny place. Ok dude believe whatever you want. Your opinion shouldnt matter to me anyways. Magnus Eriksson Ahehm… Why are you lying? D.M.T Lie about what? Plus who are you to accuse others of being a liar when you are trolling us every day. Rman94 I’d say your the one trolling DMT, here you are bashing on the wii u and people who like the wii u. You and magus are really one and the same when it comes to the trolling department, I wouldn’t be surprised if you knew truth teller either. GregoryRasputin If i was bashing the Wii U and bashing people who like the Wii U, then i would be bashing myself, when will you crazy fanboys open your eyes and read the posts where i say i own a Wii U, amongst other Nintendo products. I also run a Wii U website. Meh, its pointless, a fanboy is mentally stuck in the one gear, not able to see outside the box and past the clouds. Nintendo4life Oh wow you own a website..Shall we clap? If that is true i have a bridge to sell ya Nintendo4life Wow… I actually feel sorry for you. You want to troll SO bad, but you fail at it. Keep that helmet on, and don’t let all the rejection letters from the special Olympics get you down bro. Someday they’ll say you aren’t too retarded to join them! Keep reaching for the stars! GregoryRasputin You keep claiming im trolling, but you keep feeding me, so who is the bigger retard here ? Fact is Nintendo are struggling. Fact is you are a Fanboy. Fact is you are extremely childish. Fact is you have to resort to insults and name calling, when someone says something you do not like, which shows you are unable to cope with what is being said to you. Fact is i had fun, laughing at your immature, fanboy pots 🙂 Nintendo4life Hey big boy here are the real facts Fact Nintendo itself is not struggling Fact Wii U is having problems Fact your in denial Fact no name calling here just facts and really guy you are a disgrace to gaming and just you trying to bash me proved my point The fact is you are a loser who claims to love nintendo and call me names..Stop the crying you little baby and really grow up…oh wait you can’t do that living on welfare and food stamps yeah you really got me and the only people laughing are the real gamers like myself …and they are laughing at you not for you..Again thanks for proving my point that you are a loser..End of story Nintendo4life Wow GregoryRasputin stalking me ..What a loser and you call me a fanboy..That is laughable. A fanboy is stuck to one console and i own all the consoles except Vita and so GregoryRasputin Sit and spin dude. You suck as a human being and should crawl back in the hole you came from….:) LOL Rich Garriques no because Nintendo has their own philosophy on gaming they don’t adopt to anything the industry just dishes out like sheep aka Sony and Microsoft. they have morals on the true understanding of gaming , it is not about upgrading your hardware to the latest tech every year to keep your eyes glamoring it is a about new experiences and the thrill of gaming. just because the graphics look good does not mean the game is. this is why Nintendo survives for so long because they create games that are timeless. GregoryRasputin lol Daniel Gonzalez True. Same truth holds when the Wii was paired with PS2 and PSP in commercials and ads. Only one who can rid of that trend is Nintendo. D.M.T You said it yourself: ‘no one knows what goes on behind closed doors and articles never tell the whole story’ so why in hell are you just blaming Nintendo for everything? I say this is both Nintendo and 3rd parties fault. Don’t jump the lets criticize Nintendo bandwagon. You need to put some of the blame on 3rd parties too. Why should Nintendo support 3rd parties if 3rd parties never support Nintendo consoles? Don’t blame everything on Nintendo Daniel Gonzalez I said we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors. Because none of us know what Nintendo has been doing. However, I’m well within’ my rights to judge it as I see fit as you are too. D.M.T Uhmm..no you can’t really judge, especially if you don’t really know what you’re talking about. If you really want to blame someone, blame both, not just Nintendo. Daniel Gonzalez It’s free spech DMT. I can blame whoever I please, just as you are within your rights. I very well know what I’m talking about in those terms. You can believe what reality you please, but it doesn’t change anything. We can all judge, and we do it everyday amongst each other. Just as you are now. D.M.T Yeah freedom of speech, something that you and others abuse sometimes. Just because you have the right to speak, doesn’t really mean you can say whatever you want. Doesnt matter to me if you’re a lawyer, you can’t abuse your freedom of speech. All I’m saying is, you shouldn’t just blame Nintendo for everything because it’s unfair of you. Mercurio2054 yes, like he say: ” None of us know what goes on behind closed doors”. Daniel Gonzalez Yep. That is precisely right. Unless one of us works for Nintendo or a 3rd party company, then we know nothing. We can guess and speculate. That’s what I do here, make my opinion known and then you’re free to agree or disagree with it. Sarcasm doesn’t get you anywhere in this conversation, but it’s cute nonetheless to do so. 🙂 Mercurio2054 si dices que nadie sabe que ocurre, entonces no deberias ( aunque puedes) decir que nintendo tiene la culpa. howling_wolf1334:[ Well, puede o no puede? Make up ur mind , amigo!!! HAHAHA!!! Solo bromeo!!! En cierto sentido si la tiene y en sentido no!!! Thats what I think!!! Derk The only time you can say someone is abusing their rights is when authority is doing it… Citizens can never really abuse their own rights…. In fact, the whole reason we have rights is so that citizens rights don’t get abused. blindtiger never is a strong word Derk Find me an example and I will change it… I strongly believe you will only find examples of authorities doing it… blindtiger it might not be in the same sense as youre thinking but what about people who use their right of free speech to lie and defraud others… is that not an abuse? blindtiger im very anti-authority and agree it may be very lopsided but absolutions are rarely true Derk Agreed, never absolutions are rare… Derk That doesn’t make any sense. Can you think of a real example where a citizen abused their rights. blindtiger what doesnt make sense about it?right to free speech is designed to keep authority from being abusive… however what about when someone uses free speech to lie? and those lies cause others to suffer. couldnt using a right, not for its intended purpose of good, but for evil, be considered an abuse? example: salesman says this car is great and has no problems. customer buys car and finds the car in terrible shape. salesmans statement is protected under free speech. but did he not abuse his right? im not trying to be dick. just disagreeing with a statement of absolutes. “never” and “always” close ones mind off to possibilites and create a false form of certainty. very few things in life are absolute and certain and the more one seeks for certainty… the world of possibilities shrinks. certainties are a crutch in which we use like a comfort blanket in order to deal with the endless uncertainties of the world. sorry to get philosophical… just trying to open your mind Derk The example you gave is illegal… You can sue the salesman for for suffering a financial loss if you had to pay for repairs or if the dealer is legally responsible for the damages. It would ultimately be your decision to buy the car. What a headache… Its like chicken and the egg all over again… blindtiger ok cars are a bad example… “lemon” law. but what about toasters? or teeth whitening strips? or products sold on infomercials late at night? lying is protected under free speech… but is lying not abusing the right to free speech? yes people choose to believe the lie… and im not saying lying should be illegal. im just offering a different point of view on the subject. you said citizens NEVER abuse any of their rights. perhaps it depends on your definition of abuse… but im saying you might be abusing your right to define words in such a way to reinforce your argument. i dont have the answers… just asking questions. im sorry about your headache… i tend to do that. Derk Abuse has a terrible definition using the term “bad” which is completely subjective with different morals and religions. Lying isn’t abusing freedom of speech because you are allowed to do it. Therefore, I am defining abused as “The way something was not intended to be used” (I found it under synonyms)… and to be honest, I am not sure how our rights were intended to be used except that it was intended for us to have them and to use them freely. I don’t see how anybody could exercise their rights and still not exercise them the way they were intended to be used. How can you abuse something that you are fully entitled to do? blindtiger freedom of speech was intended to keep government or other “authority” from censoring the people… our government and most of our rights are set up to keep power in balance it is either morally or legally abusive. morally is very subjective but you seem to mean legally. you say entitled to do, but you mean legally can do… by saying you can never abuse something that is legal, you imply that our laws are perfect and therefore incapable of allowing abuse to occur unchecked. laws are a “democratically approved” moral code. when a law is broken it is because the offender has a different moral code than the “approved” one. as long as everyones morals are different law can never be “perfected” and therefore plenty of abuse by all parties will go unchecked until the public chooses to penalize it. Rich Garriques yeah never say never D.M.T Citizens can abuse their rights Derk. I see it a lot on this website every single day Daniel Gonzalez Mind giving an example of who abuses rights on here? D.M.T The trolls abuse their freedom of speech on this website. They have an opinion but they go too far. You have the freedom to speak but there’s a limit and they cross the line every time. Magnus Eriksson Why are you all the time label other people as trolls. Dont you understand that people actually CAN have a different opinion from you? Some of you fans becomes almost sect like in your worship of a failing product, with no reality orientation what so ever. That is the reason people might make jokes upon you, not because they are trolls but because some of you lives inside a bubble. Its actually quite easy to make fun of. Im sure that if you could start to use reality as a compass for debates, then the “trolldom” of the “trolls” would go away. This is quite an accurate sum up of WiiUDaily fanboys debating articles: Article says: Nintendo sales are abmyssal Fanboy replies: Thats great Nintendo, you are doing the 3DS trick afain. Sure Iwata is a genious. They always have a trick up their sleeves. This is why I LOVE NINTENDO. Article says: Nintendo will not hold press conference at this years E3. Fanboy replies: Thats a great move Nintendo. This way you show that its all about the games. A ZElda, Metroid, Miyamotos new IP. Without press conference you make a new and bold move that will attract the media, thats just brilliant. All the games will be too much for a simple press conference. Thank you Nintendo. Article says: Mostly already announced games on E3. Mario will have a catsuit in new Mario game Fanboy replies: Thats genious, a catsuit. Who said Nintendo only made kiddie games? Now they will have to eat up their own words. Article says: Yet another 3rd party dev drops Nintendo. Fanboy replies: Fuck you EA. Fuck you Betsheda. Fuck you UbiSoft. Fuck you all. We got Capcom, they released the best Street Fighter there is on Virtual Console. Who cares about Street Fighter IV? So, if you guys stop doing shit like this. Im pretty sure people wont make fun of you. If you start to address the problem instead of some ad hoc argument without root in anything, the “trolls” will go away. There I said it. Up to you self If you will try to understand it. Ony I like Nintendo and what they do, why do I have to say “meh” to something that please me? :/ Magnus Eriksson You dont have to dislike the product at all. There is a huge difference between saying; this CD is really good! I love the music! and saying that the same CD sells really bad, had bad bad marketing or even was bad recorded. You can like the music, but thats a qualitative experience. Thats difficult to debate. When you use your own qualitative experience as a guideline for debate it will be out of contact with reality. Daniel Gonzalez I never abuse it. You just don’t like what I have to say and then validate that as abuse. Nice try. By that logic, then I suppose you constantly responding to my claims is abuse of free speech. Can’t have it one way my friend. 🙂 D.M.T Maybe you dont abuse it but you are being unfair to Nintendo sometimes. You are allowed to criticize Nintendo but to say that they are 100% to blame for Wii U’s struggles is a bit unfair. smithjases interesting that this topic ends up on a gaming site. Nonetheless here are a few things to muse over. Fathers of this country and framers of our constitution, what was foundational in their understanding concerning freedom and the rights of the individual. Who grants an individual its freedom and what is the full context or application of that freedom? Zorlac79 The main thought here is that freedom of speech does exist. But in this day and age people need to start realising that just because you have a right to say something doesn’t mean that they need to, have to, or even should. People these days love to parade around saying “I have a right to” when they are completely misinterpreting the laws that they are claiming to use. Freedom of speech was designed to protect the people from being censored, not let them run around and say what ever they damn well please. There is a total lack of respect from people these days, let alone common sense and common decency! Rich Garriques welcome to the internet and social media this plays a huge part in why freedom of speech is overlooked. Zorlac79 Exactly! Facebook – The ruining of our youth. Only in today’s society would people think it is cool and OK to have a bunch of people jump someone and post it on facebook….. …..A place where having hundreds or thousands of friends when you really have none. Yes, it is free speech, but it will all be recorded and possibly be used against you when possible! So go ahead, talk away people! Its free!!! D.M.T Someone who gets it!!! Thank you Magnus Eriksson Very true cement If u belive in glob dont JUdge…. but seriously Stop and i mean all of You free speech is a lie! go scream fire in a congested area or say you have a bomb straped to you at an airport. So because of the NSA there is no free speech Magnus Eriksson Of course we know what they have been doing: “- First I want to apologize, but I have been drinking saké instead of doing my job, please understand.” -S. Iwata “- Pfffft… games? Saké is much more fun. I had so many I see Pikmins all over the place.” -S. Miyamoto “- My body is ready for another saké.” -Reggie F. A. Clel You said “We don’t know what goes on behind closed doors”, that’s true. However, you also said “They don’t cater too well to 3rd parties”. But you claim that we don’t know what goes on (behind closed doors), yet you claim that you know what’s going on behind closed doors. I see two conflicting arguments here. Daniel Gonzalez When I said they don’t cater to parties that well. That is the opinionated side of it. When I said we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors, that’s the reality of it. There’s no conflict. Just misunderstandings. Hope that clears it up for you. Guest I love to thumb down all your comments reyn69sharla dude nearly evey article on this website is littered with your comments. do you have a life? its almost as if you sit there in your bedroom with your eyes glued to the screen waiting for someone to upload a story so you can get your fix. im also an awesome nintendo fan but dude, please get a hobby. join a soccer team or go out with your friends and get some fresh air. Daniel Gonzalez So is DMT as well as a few others. You must have no life to worry about what me and others debate about on here. To answer your question, yes I do. If a beating heart in my chest isn’t enough evidence that I have a life, then someone needs schooling. 🙂 So with that said, mind your own business since this had nothing to do with you, or at the very least, join in the conversation without being biased. Unless you have something to say that is relevant to the conversation here, find a new hobby that doesn’t pertain you spewing crap if you don’t know me or what I do in real life. Okay? Thanks. 🙂 Matt So you say that you don;t know what is going on behind closed doors. Then you say that Nintendo is to fully blame. How would you know if you don’t know what is happening behind closed doors. Daniel Gonzalez I explained this before and I will for the last time. Nintendo is fully to blame is my opinion, which I’m entitled to. What goes on behind closed doors is anyones guess. Does that not mean I’m not entitled to an opinion? That should clear things up. I can’t stress it enough. D.M.T Don’t include me in your argument with him. Leave me out of it. I’m not on Wii U Daily all the time. Daniel Gonzalez I was making a point. You are on it often enough, though, so it holds true. No one said you were on all day long, not even I am. So relax. Lol. Anyways, I’m done arguing with you for the night, take care. reyn69sharla blah, blah, blah, clicks on next news item, adds 200 new comments…..blah,blah,blah Daniel Gonzalez Blah blah blah, has nothing to do but keep track of all my comments, blah blah blah. Has nothing to contribute too so I’ll keep track of other comments because I’m a miserable person and likes to take out my frustrations on people who won’t defend my NIntendo fandom, blah blah blah. 🙂 Perhaps you’ll see how dumb you sound. Now go read a book and learn something. Bye bye now. 🙂 Magnus Eriksson Did you come in here just to complain over people being here? You should get a life. reyn69sharla not at all, i like reading the comments sections all the time, infact i often comment here myself. but why does the comment section need to be bombarded by one guy all the time all day? daniel gonzales is a serial pest, nothing more, nothing less. Rich Garriques exactly , ic this blame game going on here a lot and most of it is circulated to Nintendo. ic third party devs support Sony and Microsoft no questions asked but when it comes to Nintendo they are always the ones complaining about Nintendo and their hardware? but do you see Nintendo complaining about third party devs and their lack of professionalism towards Nintendo hardware , they are suppose to be game devs that make games for gaming consoles not a bunch of complainers that address what is wrong with a hardware rather then try to work with it. why is that? . blindtiger exactly, they dont cater… they do their own thing. hate it or love it. it is what it is. Daniel Gonzalez Yep, and 3rd parties decided to move on from it. Rich Garriques behind closed doors is your answer , Nintendo has already complained about the media circulating negative information about them and this site is no better. Daniel Gonzalez I agree. Though, the negative information could be true. Paladinrja As a platform provider, its always been the case third parties publishers, seek a space on the platform calendar. Nintendo is often full excepting recent years in transition, but as we’ve seen via Pete Hines mouthing off, third parties haven’t pursued a space on the platform and Nintendo is pursuing third party independents. If revenue is the name of the game then Sony & MS are fracturing 140mln install base via two more systems and cost of dev is rising and rising with AAA third parties. I can see them backing off PS4/X1 within 2014 and concentrating on PS360. – AND THEN! add to that 100mln+ potential adoption market is totally not available to them unless you’re smart like Activision, WB, Ubisoft, etc… to already be a publishing partner with Nintendo. Nintendo4life They will in time D.M.T Yeah blame it all on Nintendo. I’m not denying anything, Nintendo is kinda to blame for a few things but this is also 3rd parties fault. Daniel Gonzalez Well, there is 3rd party that does support Nintendo, but most of them want a console on par with PS4 and Xbox One. While we may hate them for acting such a way, they are within’ their rights to do so. The gaming industry has changed and will continue to. If Nintendo can’t except that, then I guess third party support will be small for them. It’s not hating on Nintendo all the time, those 3rd party companies just don’t see a reason to support it. Can’t force them to. D.M.T You continue to make lame excuses for 3rd parties. Yeah the gaming industry is changing but not for the better. 3rd parties are trying to take over the gaming industry which is why they support Sony and Microsoft because those companies make consoles that they want and they pay them a lot of money for the support they get and exclusive DLC and stuff. They secretly want Nintendo to exit the console market because they can’t take over if Nintendo is still making consoles. Their goal is to get Nintendo out and thats why Nintendo gets no support. I strongly believe that this is the reason for the lack of 3rd party support. It has nothing to do with Wii U not being on par with PS4 and Xbox One. Making you think i’m talking nonsense but take a moment to think about it. Daniel Gonzalez I’m not making excuses for either, that’s the reality of the situation. Nintendo has their vision, and 3rd parties have theirs. I don’t see the excuse in that. I think you’re looking for something that’s not there right now. Take it how you like. I can’t stress it any further than that. D.M.T If Nintendo has their vision and 3rd parties have theirs than why are you blaming Nintendo? Are you saying that Nintendo needs to adopt their vision and give up on their own vision? You are making little sense my friend Daniel Gonzalez I blame them for a poor vision of what they call success. Like I said, it’s an opinion. No reason to over analyze it. It makes perfect sense, you just fail to see the sense in it my friend. Also, Nintendo doesn’t have to give it up, but then again, neither do the 3rd parties. It goes both ways. D.M.T Your opinion is wrong which is why i’m trying to talk some sense into you. Nintendo vision isn’t poor, it’s YOU who expects too much from them. If your systems is making profits then it’s a success, if your games are selling millions then it’s a success and if your systems are impacting the gaming industry then it’s a success as well. Nintendo wants money and wants to do great things for the gaming industry. They don’t want bragging rights like 3rd parties. Nintendo wants to keep the focus on gameplay while 3rd parties are trying to sell you pretty graphics, mindless shooting games and interactive movies. Don’t be so hard on Nintendo and for once try to understand what Nintendo is trying to do for the gaming industry. Nintendo is not trying to kill it or monopolize it like 3rd parties are. Nintendo understands that competition is healthy, they just demand the freedom to do whatever they want, they don’t want to listen to 3rd parties. Daniel Gonzalez Can’t talk sense into something that is an opinion. Lol. Again, you’re making no sense. To say people are abusing their free speech on here? Isn’t that what you’re doing right now? See? I can pull that card too. Not that hard. Again, I have no problem with them not listening to third parties, That’s their own personal problem, not the 3rd parties. I understand perfectly what Nintendo is doing for the industrry, I just don’t agree with it. Lol. We aren’t going to agree with regardless of what each other may think, so I’m just gonna leave you to continue on your own. I’ve made my points clear, if you fail to see them, then that’s personal problem. No skin off my back. Fun discussion as usual. 🙂 D.M.T Opinions can be wrong so it’s possible to talk sense to you. How am I abusing my freedom of speech? Abusing your freedom of speech is when you are unfair to someone or when you say offensive things on purpose to make people angry. Here’s an example: just because you have freedom of speech, doesn’t mean you are allowed to insult Nintendo and its fans on a Nintendo website. I’m not saying you do this, i’m just giving you an example. Here’s another example, just because someone has a freedom to speak, doesn’t mean that person can be racist. There’s a limit for everything and once you cross that line you are abusing your rights. It doesn’t seem like you understand perfectly what Nintendo is doing but hey you have the right to believe whatever you want to believe. GregoryRasputin Your ignorance shines through explicitly, you blame Daniel Gonzalez for bashing Nintendo and that is not the case, no where in any of his posts have i seen him say a bad thing about Nintendo, he has pointed out facts, you haven’t liked those facts, so you turn round and tell him he is wrong and that he shouldn’t post what he is posting. But you are the one in the wrong and the cloud you hand between your ears, blinds you to this fact. For example, you say he is insulting Nintendo fans, well i am a Nintendo fan and nothing he has said offends me Daniel Gonzalez Thank you. Someone on here who gets it. Indeed, I had no intention of offending anyone, and it’s not my problem either if they take it the wrong way. I’m not here to paint pretty pictures for everyone, I’m here to give my own opinion on it. People need to learn to be accepting of that. Not everyone on here abuses free speech. 🙂 D.M.T You also missed the point i made. I wasnt accusing you of insulting Nintendo fans and bashing Nintendo. Please read my comment again Daniel Gonzalez You were accusing me of abusing free speech, at least implied it. If you didn’t, then I would make it clear next time. So my post makes the point quite clear. As for accusing of insults, I never said you did, take that up with Gregory. D.M.T You misunderstood me AGAIN and yet I’m the ignorant guy here? Are you sure? I didn’t say he bashes Nintendo, I said he’s unfair to Nintendo and he’s too hard on them. Daniel Gonzalez doesn’t point facts, its just opinions. He himself admitted that they are just his opinions and no i don’t agree with his opinions and i explained why. Explain to me how am I wrong and blind? You haven’t said one intelligent thing yourself. I never said he is insulting Nintendo fans, I was just giving him an example of what abusing freedom of speech is. Please read my comment again because you missed the point completely GregoryRasputin You snorting ? You said and i quote “Here’s an example: just because you have freedom of speech, doesn’t mean you are allowed to insult Nintendo and its fans on a Nintendo website.” Insulting Nintendo = bashing Nintendo Its ok, ill assume that English isn’t your first or second language, so i can understand why you are being so foolish with what you say 🙂 D.M.T You cherry picked just to make me look bad and feel better about yourself. Yeah I said those things but here’s what i said after i said that and I quote: ” I’m not saying you do this, i’m just giving you an example.” just giving you an example = I just gave an example, I didn’t accuse him of insulting Nintendo. Congratulations dude, you look like a complete idiot now. Next time make sure you understood the comment before you reply to it. GregoryRasputin I don’t have to make you look bad, you do that very well yourself. Regardless of how much of an idiot i look, i don’t look as bad as you and next time, make sure you understand what you are talking about yourself. D.M.T Do you mind explaining to me why you’re assuming that i dont understand what i’m talking about? Because to me it’s clear as day, it’s you who dont get it. Also how exactly am i making myself look bad? It’s you who cherry picked. You quoted some things and ignored others to make me look bad. GregoryRasputin As i said, with your Hitler like dictating and firm resistance to avoiding the fact that Nintendo are having problems, you already made yourself look bad, Anyhow, i’m done with you, i have had my fun at your expense 🙂 D.M.T I’m not avoiding anything. I’m just saying Nintendo is not fully to blame. It’s not my fault you people are too slow to understand that. I’m happy you’re done having fun at my expense you little troll, next time i’ll have fun at your expense ok? I’ll make you look even stupider next time 🙂 Brandon Gardner Just leave it alone bro…. Every time I have voiced my opinion on something I get the same criticism Daniel Gonzalez Yeah, I already did an hour ago. Lol. I agree, especially when they pull out the abusing free speech card often. Too true bro. Michael Dierlam “Your opinion is Wrong”. Wow, there is no sense having a discussion with someone when they post something like that. D.M.T It’s possible for an opinion to be wrong. Daniel Gonzalez “Your opinion is wrong which is why i’m trying to talk some sense into you.” No offense, but you say that people abuse free speech, but you’re trying to talk sense into someone? That’s not talking sense into someone, that’s forcing your own opinion on another, which is abusing your free speech. No opinion is wrong or right, that much is a fact. So far I haven’t had much issues with you, but you’re clearly wrong on that. Sorry. D.M.T Here’s an example: someone says that white people are superior to black people, that’s his opinion but it’s wrong because we are all equal regardless of race. An opinion can be wrong, especially if you can prove that it’s wrong. My intentions are not to force my opinion on you, if you feel that way then i apologize and i will leave you alone. I just want you to understand that Nintendo is not to blame for everything but if you can’t see that then there’s nothing else i can do. Daniel Gonzalez In this case for third parties, they are. That is my opinion, you may feel that your opinion is correct, but it is neither right or wrong, just as mine. That’s my point and it is a very fair one at that. You’re right, I do feel that way, and I feel you’re in no position to even talk about abusing free speech. That’s how I see it and I will continue to. Respect my wishes and I will respect yours. If people on this site could distinguish a troll and just the average joe commenting and stating an opinion of their own, then peace would remain on this site and others alike. It’s a foolish dream, but it’s not out of the possibility. I have nothing further to say to you on this topic because we will agree to disagree no matter what. So I’ll leave it at that. Also, yes, no race is superior. No arguments there. Michael Dierlam An opinion is a viewpoint that someone concludes is the most accurate based on data or information. However, an opinion can’t be objectively disproved. This is why an opinion can’t be wrong. D.M.T Let me give you an example: someone says white people are superior to black people. His opinion is wrong because we are all equal regardless of race. The opinion of that racist person can be objectively disproved so it’s possible for an opinion to be wrong. You can’t look at me with a straight face and tell me that he’s not wrong. So yes opinions can be wrong sometimes Daniel Gonzalez If you think I’m wrong, then that’s your opinion. Race and video games aren’t the same thing. With that said, at least stick to the topic. D.M.T My response was to Michael Dierlam not you. That’s unless you are Michael Dierlam. I used race as an example to prove my point, if you dont like it then thats too bad. Daniel Gonzalez Just as you respond to my comments when they’re not directed at you in past articles. It goes both ways. Sorry you have a problem with that, too bad. That proves my point. If you don’t like that, then that’s too bad. No reason to get all uppity. Lol. Derk Nintendo doesn’t deserve 3rd party support if they are not willing to fight for it… There is nothing secret about wanting to eliminate the competition. If what you are saying is true (it may or may not be) Sony and Microsoft are fighting for their place in the video game world and Nintendo isn’t… To the victor goes the spoils… Whoever gets these developers to make good games and DLC, is probably going to monopolize the game industry. Whether or not there is some hidden conspiracy is irrelevant. Either way, Nintendo needs to start caring about their customers more and releasing games… If they can’t release 1st person games fast enough, then they need to pay off these 3rd parties before Sony and Microsoft do… Or else they might as well throw the Wii U in that coffin. D.M.T I’m pretty sure Nintendo tried to get 3rd party support for the Wii U, which explains why Nintendo only had 2 games at launch. They wanted 3rd parties to convince gamers to buy a Wii U and 3rd parties blew it because they bitched and moaned about Wii U’s install base but they are supporting PS4 which has an installe base of 0. Nintendo just want to do their own thing and that’s what 3rd parties hate about Nintendo. They support Sony and Microsoft because they will do whatever that 3rd parties want from them. What makes Nintendo so great and special is how they do their own thing and you should understand this if you really are a Nintendo fan. You also can’t honestly believe that Nintendo doesnt care about their customers because they do care. Nintendo still makes one of the best consoles in history for little money, while others will charge you $500. Nintendo still makes one of the best games ever, better than most 3rd party games. Nintendo doesn’t have to kiss ass to get support from 3rd parties. Nintendo’s mentality is simple and understandable: here’s the Wii U, make games for it if you want, we won’t kiss ass or bend over like Sony and MS. Derk 1) 3rd parties are not required to make games for Nintendo unless they are under contract and it shouldn’t matter what excuse they use. Which company pays best and makes it easier on them? Put yourself in their shoes. 2) Nintendo’s console is only $50 less than Sony… At least, for me it was. 3) If they are not willing to schmooze and kiss some ass, then that is their choice and they those reap the consequences with bad 3rd party support. D.M.T 1) I never said they are required to make games for Nintendo. You missed the point i made completely. 2) Wii U will be $100 cheaper than PS4 after September 20th. 3) Bad 3rd party support won’t stop them from selling their consoles and handhelds. Nintendo systems are not dependable of 3rd party games. Derk Every console is dependent on 3rd party games. That is not my opinion, that is a fact. Arthur Jarret Actually, the gamecube wasn’t. Although that wasn’t a big sales succes, it at least kept nintendo in the black for a generation. And I’m not saying the gamecube didn’t have third party support – but most exclusives were only timed exclusives and it received a lot less support than the other two players on the market. Anyway, I think nintendo should just spread that wii+3DS money around, and either buy exclusives from studios with a mainstream pedigree – or buy studios outright to bolster their first party development teams and gain more IP’s than EA isn’t using. (I’m still sad I’ll never be able to play a new Magic carpet or Legend of kyrandia…) Don’t try to forge any more unprecedentely flimsy relationships anymore, ninty – it’s a greedy world and money talks! Magnus Eriksson Legend of Kyrandia. That bring back memories 🙂 D.M.T I have proof that proves your “fact” to be wrong. GameCube was successful even though it had almost no 3rd party support. GameCube made money for Nintendo and the GameCube made a big impact in the industry. The Wii had almost no 3rd party support and sold 100 million. I’m sorry but Nintendo systems are not dependable of 3rd party games. Derk GameCube was not very successful and neither was the Dreamcast because lack of 3rd party support. D.M.T 1) GameCube never had nearly as much 3rd party support as PS2 and the original Xbox. 2) GameCube wasn’t very successful but it was successful nonetheless. longschlongsilver Yeah! You’re right! That’s why the Wii – oh wait… Magnus Eriksson Why is it third parties fault? Daniel Gonzalez Exactly, it isn’t. It’s not third parties fault that they have their own vision on what they want from a console. Whether people believe that Nintendo built a system for 3rd parties has no bearing on what they feel. To be fair, not all of them are gone, just most jumped ship. D.M.T I’m blaming both Nintendo and 3rd parties. Nintendo for being too stubborn sometimes and 3rd parties for not supporting Nintendo’s great ideas and innovations. The Wii U is the first home console to have a second screen experience. 3rd parties are supposed to be taking advantage of this great concept but instead of supporting Nintendo for their great idea, they are ignoring the Wii U because they are not interested in a second screen experience, they just want to make games with cool graphics to wow gamers. Nintendo’s focus is gameplay because that’s what video games is all about but 3rd parties want to focus on making realistic graphics and that’s why they are to blame as well. If they actually support Nintendo then gaming in general would be more fun Daniel Gonzalez True, they should be, but it comes down to that they’re not that interested in it. It’s like you said, they can develop on the Wii U or they don’t have to.They chose the latter. D.M.T Exactly so Nintendo isnt the only one to blame. They chose not to develop for Wii U even though they should in my opinion. Daniel Gonzalez That’s life. All I can say is that if Nintendo really wanted 3rd party software that bad, then they would have made a console on par with PS4 and Xbox One, but since they didn’t , apparently they’re not that serious about it. I believe most of them want to develop for the console, but it doesn’t fit their needs on what kinda games they’re trying to develop. D.M.T Nintendo has made consoles on par with the competition and they still didn’t get support from 3rd parties. GameCube is the best example of this, it was more powerful than PS2 and yet didnt get support. Hardware is not the issue here. Most of them don’t want to develop for Wii U and the reason is that they have something against Nintendo. Daniel Gonzalez Saying that they have something against Nintendo is an opinion, and that’s cool. They don’t have anything wrong against Nintendo, if that was the case, then Ubisoft, WB, Sega, Capcom and others wouldn’t develop for it. The other half just don’t see Wii U relevant to what they’re trying to accomplish. D.M.T Your last sentence made me laugh but ok believe whatever you want Daniel. I don’t want you to feel that i’m forcing my opinion on you. Michael Dierlam Such a silly way to look at things. It’s not the 3rd parties responsibility to cater to a particular console. If they don’t see an opportunity to make $, they won’t support it. It IS, however, the job of a console to produce a product that is appealing to 3rd party publishers (if they want that support). Your mentality is exactly the reason Nintendo is in trouble. They did not produce a console that appeals to 3rd party publishers from a financial or technical standpoint. Daniel Gonzalez Indeed. They go where they feel will make them the most profit. That’s business and how it’s always been. The Wii U hasn’t been making enough profit for them, so most of them took off and went to Sony and Microsoft. If Nintendo wants third party back, then they need to make their console more attractive to do so. Problem is for most of them, they want a system that is on par with PS4 and Xbox One. Not all of them are the same, but if it’s not selling, it’s only normal that they’ll eventually stop supporting. D.M.T I don’t have a silly way of seeing things. Nintendo made a console and their mentality is that if you want to make games for the system then go ahead but if you dont want to make games for it then don’t. It’s that simple. Nintendo doesn’t have to make the type of console that 3rd parties want, they don’t have to make a console that appeals to 3rd parties. Nintendo has their own vision and that’s what makes them so great. And Nintendo isn’t in trouble, they are doing better financially than Sony. Nintendo is about gameplay, that’s where they want to keep the focus while 3rd parties want to sell you graphics, mindless shooting games and interactive movies and you are here defending them. Daniel Gonzalez I have to disagree with your last sentence. There’s a lot of shooting games that are top quality. The Last of Us is a good recent example. Interactive movies or not, that is the norm of today’s gaming industry. I have no problem with Nintendo having a different route and I respect them for that. You should do the same and not be so harsh on what others like. Today we have different forms of gaming and we should all respect it for what it is. Not nice to generalize. 😛 D.M.T The Last Of Us is not a shooting game, it’s a survival horror interactive movie. Nintendo4life GregoryRasputin is mental and just forget that poser..He is a disgrace to nintendo fans..Myself i love my wii u but am i stuck to one console …no im getting the ps4 and am ready for awesome games too but i respect your comments Levi Johansen They don’t really need to. Nintendo is capable of making money without the help of anyone. As long as their making money, they’re not going anywhere. But they’re not alone, they’ve got support from Ubisoft, Activision, SEGA and a bunch of others. Everything is gonna be allright and TechCrunch only shows how little they understand about Nintendo and the gaming industry with such statements. blindtiger it isnt anyones fault. nintendos goals are different from sonys or microsofts… and it shows in their hardware and games. because the hardware is different it requires more work to develop for it. because the games are different the customers are different. 3rd parties have to work harder to offer something that has less certainty of success. BUT if they just took a leap of faith they would find that virtually ALL customers needs could be met on one console… a nintendo console… the wii u. the gamepad, wiimote and pro controller provides the most options of play style, for the hardcore and casual alike. the only thing wii u does not have is the best graphics possible… and by the way a year from now neither will the competition… graphics are always improving. gameplay however has remained largely the same forever… except in nintendo games. if 3rd parties brought their hardcore element and combined with nintendos casual… ps4 and xbox1 wouldnt stand a chance in the “console war.” Rich Garriques it is not Nintendo’s fault , game devs just want extra money and attention for lackluster games which they will not be getting from Nintendo. Nintendo has survived so long for a reason and that wasn’t from third party devs supporting them every step of the way. it is because they create titles that are far better then anything third party devs have to offer. Sydney Ultrasyd Yes, it’s great, but the most important thing that makes me say it’s not doing good, and that maybe it’s not that awesome, is that I just have to look at my list of friends on Miiverse. People that I know for real and who bought the Wii U. None of them use the console anymore and many already sold their console :/ “Last connection : more than 1 month ago”. Even if I love Nintendo and the Wii U and got a whole room dedicated to their console, I just can’t say that everything is fine there. We always take in account the number of consoles sold, but don’t forget that people can sell it. It would be interesting to know how many didn’t keep it. It’s not because we are fans that we must say that everything is wonderful. Nintendo4life True but im keeping mine and getting the ps4 Sydney Ultrasyd Same here blindtiger the argument is not that its wonderful or terrible… it is what it is and some people keep faith in nintendo and others jump ship blindtiger wii u as a hardware is awesome… wii u as an experience is not awesome… yet. give it six months. Nintendo4life Disagree Ive had a great experience with the wii u and has alot of my friends blindtiger not hatin… just sayin theres room for improvement. and its comin. Guest Giving up is nothing. Nintendo4life I never give up Rukiafan Rukiachan logic is blinded by bias. Anyone calling the 3DS a failure needs to check their head for stupidity. Nintendo4life Agreed I love my 3ds i just hate the vita it is worthless and sold mine after a month Emufred Tell me something I don’t know. Nintendo4life I already have…LOL Gregg Cerenzio Indeed it is! The industry trolling is annoying. Love the WiiU. Srpg2ishere Lol. Seeing that Deluxe Set Wii U in there made me want to cry. If they didn’t want it then they should give it to someone who actually appreciates it! They could even give it to me. 2 Wii U’s is twice the fun. Seeing stuff like this makes me mad. >_< Tecpedz94 I love how every time there’s someone that states a negative comment about the WIIU the comment sections is over 300 now at 500ish lol. People need to stop listening to what others say or think if you like it go right ahead and enjoy thats all that matters :p Clearly Nintendo is the most experienced when it comes to gaming they will definitely survive this generation and will make it work out sooner or later no doubt 😀 Nintendo4life I know right but there will always be a few haters..Myself i could careless i buy what i want for what i want.. MysticDude97 Thank you, Captain Obvious. Nintendo4life Again…Anytime! and yes i know what im talking about thanks MysticDude97 Okay. FlashFan207 Okay, listen. I absolutely love my Wii U. The use of the gamepad on a gaming console is revolutionary thinking, indeed, as I believe that Nintendo and 3rd party developers are only scratching the very surface of the potential this gaming mechanism holds. The exciting releases coming out, even before year’s end, let alone what’s expected next year are tremendous. Why would anyone bash this system? Because it’s not selling well? Doesn’t make it a bad gaming system at all. It. Is. Awesome! Nintendo4life Because they don’t have a life so they come and troll people on websites and it’s sad but predictable and i just fly them away and keep going. Im a gamer who games and those who do consoles war need to get there head checked but i agree with you the Wii U is awesome and some people are just stuck to one system and i bet you most on gaming today have never even tried a nintendo console…Most are stuck to one console like Xbox and PS3 but myself i own them all except Vita are all good consoles and i get whatever games i want for that console and not one of those types of people that troll and call people names like fanboy. GregoryRasputin is one of those types that claims to love nintendo and then flip flops and resorts to name calling FlashFan207 For me, it seems like the Wii U games are the ones I look forward to playing the most. That’s Nintendo for you, though. Nintendo4life Agreed and i can’t wait for watch dogs on the Wii U Nintendo4life These same loons said the same about the 3ds and look at it now and it’s the best handheld console on the market Magnus Eriksson How long will Nintendofans repeat this mantra? 1 year? 2 years? Nintendo4life As long as it takes… Daniel Gonzalez As long as it takes. Well, and if it’s like….3 years later and sales are still not picking up? Then what? Continue to say give it time? Nintendo would discontinue it by then, and even Sony and Microsoft would do the same as to not take anymore of a loss in money. Calling it quits wouldn’t be dumb of Nintendo, it’d be smart business. If the Wii U fails, it won’t be the end. They’ll just come back with something better the next time around. Larry Howell And what of us who bought the system and are currently enjoying it? I’m playing the crap out of mine, with more titles than I can dedicate time towards. Nintendo should just drop support of the system and leave folks like myself to just sit there with nothing new to look forward to, or to sit there with my thumb up my ass and just buy a PS4 or XB1 instead of waiting for their next iteration to come around? Sorry, but no. Giving up support of a console this early in its life shows that A) You’ve no faith in the product that you placed into the hands of consumers, and B) You’ve no value in the customers who have invested in the product that you put out. It’s a Bullshit business decision, no matter what sort of justification you try to put to it. Jon well, considering how people keep going on how much of a failure it is yet when you look at the first 10 months of the PS3 and 360, the Wii U has sold more in the same time frame yet those consoles and had a very hard struggle at the start yet did they fail? no, they did simply fine. People are going on about the Wii U being a failure because they are looking at the current sales and are judging it when it has been on the market a lot more, more economical to buy. Wait until the PS4 and Xone are released and they are well into (meaning not instantly they are better due to release sales) their first year and then we will get a much better picture. jay As long as it took for the 3DS sales to shut people’s mouths. If after that time Wii U hasn’t picked up THEN that “mantra” will be old and hold no value. Remember it only took a price drop to change everything. And that hasn’t happened yet for the Wii U. So don’t speak too soon. ICHI It’s too soon for me to say it’s a failure, I love my Wii u and think in time many others will too. How many others is up for debate still and not really worth writing about for another year or two CEObrainz At worst the Wii U will sell more than the Gamecube with it’s key first party titles. Magnus Eriksson My guess it will sell less. CEObrainz Only time will tell to be honest. But I think Nintendo will only call this console a failure if games such as Mario Kart and Smash Bros don’t sell, which is very hard to see happening. FoxMulder900 It is definitely on track to surpass the Gamecube, it only sold 3.8 million in its first year which is about where the Wii U is at after just 10 months. (And we all know a few heavy hitters are coming in the next 2 months). fliadaloisio If people at Nintendo are “Smart”, they will do exactly the opposite of what TechCrunch says. ;D Magnus Eriksson Why? Sydney Ultrasyd The console is not that bad. It needs more games. I like to imagine how it would have been with Mario Kart or Smash Bros, Zelda in the lineup at launch. forcecoder Not that bad? It’s an excellent console actually. Sydney Ultrasyd Sure, I love it, but talking about the hardware, there are some technical things that i regret though : bad wifi in my opinion is the worst thing here (my house is quite small, but it often fails to connect, it’s a pain), very short memory. Graphics are OK. But i’m comfident and I’m sure the visual quality of games will improve a lot and that it’s more powerful that it seems. When i see how GTA V looks like, and when i compare to Lego City Undercover, which I absolutly love, I feel like it could have been much better and I’m a bit disapointed. Can’t wait to see the next Nintendo games to judge the power of the console. Magnus Eriksson Its really not that good. Its been unable to attract people. AZHood Lab monkeys could write a better Nintendoomed article than TechCrunch. 00048560 “…I’m ultimately going to be proven right.” “My best advice is to team up with a current tablet/smartphone manufacturer…” “Or they need to sell to Apple” I hate this person. Ashley King Yeah his automobile comparison is junk, too. Millions of families bought Model T cars. How many people do you know that own a Tesla? mdoerty Yep. A lot of people have Ferraris and Teslas. There is a super car in everyone’s garage. Tech sites don’t understand that NIntendo does not do super tech. You can make arguments about the WiiU and Nintendo, but the technology one is spurious given than anytime it tries to get out there, things don’t go as well as when it sticks to established tech. Andreas Sunde I love Apple, I love Nintendo, but I don’t want any of them to buy the other. They should stay separate. Unless buying Apple is part of Ninendos plan for world domination, of course. Rugmouse My favorite part of the article: “To quote my six year old daughter, barely looking up from her iPad: ‘What’s a Nintendo?'” I’m sure she would say the same thing for the Xbox and Playstation. ‘What’s a Microsoft?’ Ask her, ‘Who is Mario?’ and see if you get that same blank stare. If you do…well, I truly feel sorry for the youth of the world. Peter Joll Yeah the kid is six years old. They probably could have looked up from there iPad and said “Who are Apple?”. Peter Joll There’s a lot of things that the Wii U does wrong that really annoys me. I love Nintendo and love all the games they themselves pump out, but at the same time I wouldn’t be upset if they brought out a new console in the next couple of years and moved on. Sydney Ultrasyd I agree with you, but more than things that the Wii U does wrong (the system itself is cool), it’s the communication that Nintendo did wrong that annoys me. They should have given, for a start, an other name. Too many people think it’s just a screen for the Wii, even among my friends. The shops fail at advertising it, it’s always in the back, not correctly exposed, while it’s the newest console. Here they are forced to put a big thing written “Wii U and Wii are NOT compatible, we won’t take back the games you bought”. Nowhere I could try the new console in when it was launched. And too much games skipping the console :'( But as long as they deliver a huge and great Zelda, it’s fine to me 😀 SonicLucario Whyyyyyyyy……why do people jump the gun and assume its dead when there arent even any ‘must have’ games for it yet? people are even doing this with the Xbox One, people and development teams should seriously stop bashing Nintendo and anything els so early in its life. Peter Joll There is a must have game for it though, it’s called Lego City Undercover 🙂 SonicLucario I mean must have Nintendo titles, people will simply overlook 3rd party exclusives more easily without Nintendo’s 1st party exclusives to help it. Fred Lego City was published by Nintnedo SonicLucario But it dosnt scream Nintendo and people tend to look over it and its a shame because I really like the game a lot Fred Mario 3D world will scream Nintendo so will Donkey Kong . In 2 weeks Zelda Wind Waker will too SonicLucario umm…ok? I dont think your understanding me, my argument with my first comment was that since there are barley any killer Nintendo titles out, there is really no reason to own a WiiU yet and thats why sales are down, and people that are saying the WiiU and Nintendo is doomed now are just fools. Once these 1st party games come out later this year the WiiU will definitely pick up especially when Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros come out. THEN 3rd party support should improve and other 3rd party will think twice about talking down on Nintendo and the WiiU Jon So… because a console sold better than the other consoles (other than the Wii) at the start and is having lower weekly sales now that a price cut has been announced… they should write it off as a failure? jonen exacty what is “too late”? it doesnt make a difference if Nintendo suddenly stops supporting the Wii U now or if it simply dies slowly over the next couple years. it sounds like the Author doesnt really take this seriously. its probably more about jumping on the Nintendo-hate bandwagon and generating traffic than anything. i would just ignore it mdoerty A lot of these tech websites also show their biases/ignorance when they tout iOS as the salvation — even though Android has more units sold and is rapidly catching up (and getting ready to pass) in terms of downloads. Relick Problem that I have with Android is that it is not quality work. Yes it’s satisfactory as a substitute iOS however it’s not got the quality finish. It’s stuck on any and every device without quality control/assurance checks applied. It has dodgy ports of apps that only work on half the devices and is ridiculously hard to develop for – especially considering the thousands of different devices with Android. Android feels very sloppy and slung together in a rushed response to iOS to prevent a monopoly, and I agree that it has worked and has a larger install base than iOS. That’s because if you don’t get an iPhone, or a Windows Phone you’re getting Android. The two former are expensive so guess what – people are going to get the latter. As unsupported and unpopular as Windows Phone 8 is, at least it has that feel of quality that I expect from a smart phone. Plus both WP8 and iOS are simple to develop for (from my POV which is as a developer) and I know that my app will work regardless of the end user’s device. Finally, most Android users think they are better than other phone users. Not sure why. Same reason why everybody casts doom and gloom for Nintendo but no other company probably. mdoerty I have an iPad and an Android phone. I can tell you that your statement about quality difference exists — but the gap is shrinking rapidly to the point of not making a real difference. (I have not had a Windows phone in three years, so I can’t make any cogent comments there). Clel “As of right now, it’s a colossal failure. Maybe some key holiday releases alleviate the issue. But the fact is that it’s a poor concept accentuated by poor hardware. If Nintendo was smart, they’d write it off right now.” http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/How_cbff7b_1439653.jpg Clel Why isn’t the image popping up? Jon it worked for me 🙂 Clel Okay. Weird, but so long as it’s working for everyone else, I’m cool 😀 Guest You suck Yoshifan3 dude you are awesome lol. i agree with alot of what you say. also i LOVE that yoshi pic. Clel Thanks <33 Chris Aita The Virtual Boy was a failure, CDI was a failure, the 3DO was a failure. It’s to early to call Wii U one. Another thing, those systems mentioned above sold like CRAP. Less than a million units each. Wii U is well above one million units sold. Just some food for thought. Magnus Eriksson I think Wii U is comparable with CDi. Nintendo4life No the vita reminds me of the dream cast palomino blue Depending on what happens with ps4 and xbone, it might be more accurate to compare Wii U to Dreamcast, which was a great system with some really awesome games. Nintendo needs to be aggressive with their titles and not back down. jay more food for thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_FDCPTJVg Smartass2 What has TechCrunch done for gaming? I think I’ll write off TechCrunch as a huge failure. Jon I’ve never even heard of them. Crowner Pele Give it time everyone? GregoryRasputin “”Apparently the smashing success of the DS and the uptake of the 3DS mean little to the author”” And apparently you didn’t read that he is saying this as a massive Nintendo fan, his article isn’t bashing Nintendo. Also i wouldn’t say the 3DS is a smashing success, what the author said about Nintendo is correct, the problem with the people that cannot see Nintendo’s errors, are pathetic fanboys that cannot see the facts or do not want to see them. I am a fan of ALL games consoles and i can see the faults in each one, Nintendo has a major problem and its that no one wants to release their games on it. Nothing5555 “Also i wouldn’t say the 3DS is a smashing success,” Why wouldn’t you consider the 3DS a smashing success? It has consistently moved around 90K+ units a week and faces little competition in the handheld gaming department. GregoryRasputin Yet it could be far more successful than it is, so no, it isn’t a smashing success, its a somewhat reasonable success 🙂 Gabe Hoffman You wanna know the true definition of failure look up 32X and Sega Saturn Nothing5555 Don’t forget the CDi. SeroReviews I don’t care about those kind of “editorials”, the Wii U is awesome and that’s what matters Yen Someone always says the Wii U is a failure and should be scrapped, It never made sense to me. If we look back on last gen sales, the PS3 and XBox 360 only sold maybe 1M more in the same time period. Yea 1M is a lot but in overall sales for the life of the console, it’s a small fraction. Wii U did this without having all of its must have games yet too which is another story. The Wii U is doing poorly but not THAT poorly. Thomas Fitzgibbon I’m not sure if you worded it wrong but it’s the Wii U that has sold MORE units in the same timeframe on the market than the 360/PS3. Jon The Wii U has actually sold more in it’s first 10 months than what the PS3 and the 360 did in their first 10 months of life. Yen Not from the numbers I’ve seen, but these numbers are never completely accurate. Either way, Wii U is selling like a normal launch last generation. The only point of complain really is that there’s few Nintendo IPs right now. Jon I am talking about the launch from last gen with the 360 and the PS3….. that’s why I mentioned them, the way the Wii U is selling is like what they were when they were first released however the Wii U as it is now, sold more than the 360 and PS3 did in their first 10 months on the market. Thomas Fitzgibbon How clever of TechCrunch to say this just before the $50 price reduction, Zelda: Wind Waker bundle (the game comes free) and the release of a ton of high profile exclusive and multi-platform games. Fred Ashley, you talk a big talk, but I heard you say on the game critics podcast that you regret buying a Wii U every day. I think you’re writing about this because you agree they should abandon it. I have no regrets about my system, we’ve had a ton of fun playing. GregoryRasputin I think she is on her monthly and decided to be an asshole about someone. Fred all I know is on the Aug 22 episode she was asked if she regrets buying a Wii U and she said “every day” She later said that she hopes it gets better, but didn’t sound too optimistic GregoryRasputin Its bad for a writer on a Wii U website, to say they regret buying the console they write about. I will never regret buying a Wii U, i regret that Nintendo didn’t make better decisions. Larry Howell Hrm…. so uh, never heard of “TechCrunch” until today, so uh, they can go eat a candy-coated piece of dookie. Some douche on some site is just looking for hits. everyone Just another opinion article. We know how heated people get for little things just for shock value. Ross Brocklesby I honestly don’t get it, I console that let’s me play on the tv and, when the tv is in use, on the pad itself is a massive godson to any hardcore and casual gamer! What’s not to like. Sure you can do the same with ps3/ps4 and the vita but at a massive cost at around £400 to £600 and I’ve had a vita and the remote play bad and most of the time doesn’t even work. The wiiu remote play is flawless! Luna Moonfang Welcome to 2013 everyone! 🙂 Mr. Berzerk I have enjoyed my Wii U. The convenience of having tv controls on my gamepad is a small + but still a +, I can play all the wii games and VC transfers. I can watch netflix on it while my 3 yr old is watching dora. I can play game like Super Luigi, and have my 3 yr old play as an invincible character. (Means all the world to her.) I’m not even sorry I bought it before the price drop. (I am a little upset I can’t get the Zelda model). I have never bought a PS3, just didn’t offer anything my PC didn’t have. I only got a 360 because it came for free with my internet contract. Heck, I only keep the Wii U hooked up. The other systems sit and collect dust because no one else in the family plays them. (I play the 360 games in my man cave) I would be infuriated if they cut off the Wii U, and I could not get any more support for it, or transfer my stuff back to the Wii which I assume they still want Nintendo support for some reason? Fred I agree with everything here EXCEPT that you can’t get the Zelda Wii U. Just buy it, associate the cool gamepad with your old system, associate your old gamepad with the new system and then sell the old gamepad combined with the new system. DONE you have all your saved and downloaded content and you get the awesome zelda gamepad. I think that’s why they only put designs on the gamepad Mr. Berzerk Can’t transfer my stuff from the old Wii U to the new. Also, I would want BOTH halves of the same set. Also, I said can’t in a rhetorical(? right word) sense. In that I can’t drop another $300 with out my wife killing me. 7Down It’s easier for some guy, who thinks he knows better, to tell Nintendo how they should abandon the Wii U, than it’s for Nintendo to do something like that. In other words, STFU, if they did something like that, then those who bought Wii U would be really god damn pissed off. AlienFanatic I always find it funny how articles like this are posted on Wiiudaily, as if the true believers here would do anything but castigate TechCrunch. Yes, it’s premature to criticize Nintendo, but there are far too few “must-have” titles on the Wii-U and no sports titles whatsoever. (I don’t play sports games, but an enormous number of consumers do.) The Wii-U will remain a niche product for the life of the product. I dearly wish Nintendo had a better strategy than what it’s demonstrated thus far. Iwata and Reggie are absolutely clueless as to how to right this ship. Fred There are too sports games. I own NBA 2K13 and there’s Madden 2013 We may not get new ones every year, but who cares if the roster isn’t fully up to date. I’ve never been willing to buy a new copy every year I only buy 1 NBA and 1 football game per system there they are AlienFanatic Old titles, already out of date. EA has already said that they will not be making any further sports titles for the Wii-U at this point. Neither will 2K Games. Between those companies, all of the major franchises (including the NCAA) are locked up. The bread and butter of sports games are the yearly editions with their updated stats and gameplay altered to cater to the latest whims. Nintendo will be stuck with those old titles or “Nintendo Sports” knockoffs that simply won’t cut it with the hardcore sports fans. In other words, sports on the Wii-U–for the hardcore gamers–is dead. Again, I’m not one of them but even I can see the reality of the situation. ESPN and NFL Sunday Ticket are such huge drivers for cable that the threat of the upcoming NFL season alone ended the Time Warner/CBS fight in NY. The same kind of rabid fanbase will shun the Wii-U because it will have absolutely nothing to offer them. D Moness People seem to forget (or rather ignore) the abysmal launch of the ps3 , look at how that is doing. The 3ds start was terrible. It is going strong and not seeming to slow down at all. That editorial is just written to get hits and pathetic. Deezy The reason why I like Nintendo is because of how they use their imaginations and create something new in the gaming community ever since the N64 and its not just the joystick either. My reason why I dont have a Wii U or a DS is because I guess I grew up from those kind of games they were producing, as in I am wanting more of a rated M game, but i see that watch dogs will be coming for the Wii U. Also I am a person where graphics do count but not as much as gaming freedom. Still, I would get a Wii U over an xbox one because i can at least give up the TV while i can play a game on the gamepad right? unlike Xbox one where its an “ALL in ONE” system but you want to play games where other people want to use the tv while taking advantage of the xbox kinect using it as a remote. So really, I dont believe that the Wii U is a dying console. AlienFanatic Why not spend $100 more and get a PS4? The version of WatchDogs on that system will certainly run and look better than the Wii-U version and you’ll be much more future-proof. I have a Wii-U and I would not recommend it to ANYONE who wants 3rd party games. The Wii-U is for die-hard Nintendo fans only. Deezy True. But its really hard to choose between a PS4 version or a Wii U version. If you want really good graphics, then yes, go get the PS4 version. But if you want to be a lot more interactive then get the Wii U version. I’m not going to make too much of a big fuss about the game because in the end, the devs will get their $ AlienFanatic I hope you’re right about the developer support. What I’ve seen so far is that developers are struggling, just as Nintendo has, to justify that second Gamepad screen. It’s not like the DS, where looking down from the main display requires a small eye movement. Unless you hold the Gamepad up, it takes significant effort to look down at the Gamepad’s screen, taking you out of the game. I’ve had a Wii-U since the launch, but I’m extremely (extremely) disappointed at the lack of any interesting games for it. Not only that, but Nintendo’s Virtual Console support is ABYSMAL, consisting largely of ports of games that were already on the Wii VC. Honestly, I’m not all that big on console gaming anymore as it is. I had hoped that the Wii-U could return a certain mix of old-school gaming and fresh takes on their key franchises. But with what they’ve shown so far, I’m more convinced than ever that Nintendo had no idea what they were doing when they launched the system and they are just madly scrambling to make headway before the XBOX One and PS4 steal the limelight, permanently. Bob Wilkerson I guess you could say that about any console really.. Many people just buy a certain console (or get all of them) just for the exclusives and if other games come out then so be it. I choose Nintendo because they keep gaming fresh with new ways to play and ideas and this time around I am skipping the PS4 and XB1 because their exclusives I can live without. If I truly only cared about graphics I would just get the games for my PC but the little enhancement in graphics is a small potatoes compared to the enjoyment of the gameplay. Baum 「ツリー」 What’s a Techcrunch? Guest why don’t you Google it, it should give you answers springer85 LMFAO!!!!They are 100 percent correct!The Gimmick U has been Nintendo’s worst ever console to go with its worst ever year!!! What is the point of trying to revive it?Yes the big Nintendo games are coming, but you all bragged that Pikmin 3 was a system seller and that game totally was not as was Wonderful 101!! Think about it after mid next year,there will be NOTHING to look forward to and 3rd party will still be distant!! Like many sites have already reported the Wii U was launched at the wrong time, it should have been launched end of 2009 after Wii sales were flagging to go up against the PS3 and 360 for 3 years till the next gen arrived then in 2015 release a new powerful console. Nintendo are lucky that they have the 3DS or it already would have been game over!! Mr. Berzerk sigh…. Nintendo4life Boy you must really hate nintendo from the comment you just made..Need a tissue? 7Down Incredible, usually all I can find from your comments is the word: “SLURPER!” I guess you’ve started to think something else than just sucking… 🙂 Nothing5555 You also see LOL and LMFAO too. Must be one happy guy. Ernie Sanguyo Only stupid thinks that Wii U is a failure. Come on now. Have they even seen the game line up coming? I mean those games coming up I’m pretty much satisfy and smash bros next year too. InterTreble Ahahahahah! Do they know the line up of Wii U for the next moths?! Ahahahah! After 8 months they said the same for 3DS, and now is one of the best seller ever! LOL crocodileman94 Not to mention where the PS3 is after it’s slow start. Bob Wilkerson My Favorite part is when he closes the blog with: “This all adds up to a rude awakening. And — mark my words — it will happen.” Just another blogger that does not know jack about hardware and and in a long line of death predictions for Nintendo and their products. Wii U is struggling, we get that. Nintendo needs to remedy this and they are working on it I am sure. Will it be a total failure? I don’t think so but only time will tell. Will the other consoles be a total failure? Probably not but I suspect they will have a similar fate after the holiday rush in sales. Nintendo’s biggest mistake was NOT having a AAA exclusive title or two right at launch. I hope they learn from that. TheGamerGeek128 I can see where they’re coming from, but I’d have to disagree. Nintendo’s not the type to abandon a platform because it’s selling horribly, they’re gonna do everything they can to get it going…unless you’re the Virtual Boy, that is. “Nintendo: Doomed Since 1889” springer85 LOL at the SLURPERS saying full potential!! The Wii was at full potential at launch with a $249 price tag, Wii Sports and Twilight Princess. The Gimmick U has been a disgrace for over 10 months and proves my point that it was ANOTHER rushed console from Nintendo!! Is gonna be hillarious when the 3DS rehash Wii U Mario flops this December!!! LOL Mr. Berzerk sigh…… JB What’s a slurper? Is it someone who likes these? DarkLegacy maybe, I don’t drink Slurpee’s, I get brain freeze and it hurt’s my head Erik Oooh I haven’t had those in a while! It is hot here from where i am and probably need one 🙂 mojack411 Wow, the entire first page of comments is replies to a single comment. This holiday season is probably do or die for the Wii U. It can definitely make a comeback, but I think it will be nearly impossible if it hasn’t happened after that. 3DS made a turn-around within a year. Wii U is approaching that mark now. blindtiger im so tired of close-minded opinion being presented as fact… looking at you techcrunch, msnbc and fox news. you are ruining the news! Yoshiwhirlwind I can’t wait for the xbox one and the ps4 to have a slow start like all console launches ever and all the articles coming out telling people to give them a little more time. springer85 Wii U 10 Months on the market…3.9 Million Wii first year sales…..11.5 Million!!! LMAO!!! blindtiger i dont get it… springer85 The Gimmick U has been an EPIC flop!! Wii first year 11.5 Million….second year 29 Million!!! Gimmick U first year will probably end with 4 Million…….and next year 6 or 7!! LOL blindtiger why are you so happy that you think wii u is a gimmicky failure? Nintendo4life Wow you must have some mental problems now go crawl back in your parents basements and jerk off some more and look at the vita biggest gimmick of them all or the failed nut sack move…Just saying Mr. Berzerk sigh… Sdudyoy You do understand the Wii brought motion controls something people had been wanting forever, the Wii was also cheaper and it had more games in the first year, besides even if it didn’t have more games people would have been happy with Wii sports because the majority of people who bought a Wii were casual gamers and wanted it for the motion controls. The thing is the Wii U is more expensive does not appeal to casual gamers as much as the Wii did, it does not come with a system selling game or gimmick, does not have as much games in the first year and does not have a feature that people look at and understand and it does not have as good of advertising, Despite all of this it has almost half as much sales as the Wii did in it’s first year, there two different consoles and the will sell differently, back in 2006 the economy was better there were more casual gamers and more people who didn’t care for graphics, I understand the Wii U isn’t selling as well as it could be or should be, but I’m willing to bet by the end of 2014 it will be selling good with the price drop coming and some of Nintendo exclusives, heck Super Smash brothers alone will be enough to help the Wii U. springer85 LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Smash Bros does not arrive for another 10 months…..in that time the PS4 and next Xbox will be on everyones minds and the Gimmick U will be collecting dust!! Sdudyoy The PS4 will be a hundred dollars more expensive than the Wii U and the Xbox one will be 200 dollars more, and besides Nintendo fans won’t be buying those consoles for Nintendo games the thing is alot of Nintendo fans are waiting for games like Super smash bros to come out before they buy a Wii U or Zelda or even a decent Mario game Nintendo fans buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games not third party games, just like Sony fans buy Sony consoles for Playstation exclusive games, but there aren’t very many Nintendo games on the Wii U right now, and unlike you we can wait for are games. Yen PS3 sold ~80M so far PS2 sold 155M!! OMG PS3 BIG FAILURE! Deezy yeah… I was one of those people that didnt get the PS3 nor the 360. So I went with PC gaming and it was fun until my laptop gave issues. Still, I think Wii U is a decent console excluding the graphics. However Nintendo is a successful company in both console and handheld. I can still remember the old gameboy cause i had the colored version of it. BTW the only thing I am wondering is how heavy is the game pad and does it get tiresome holding it at chest level? Yen The gamepad is surprisingly light in my opinion. I’ve never had a problem playing on it for hours. 00EpicGamer00 The gamepad weighs about as much as a 3DS. Edit: Also, as long as you rest your elbows on your legs or your chair/couch then you’ll never get tired of holding it. Nintendo4life Facepalm! DarkLegacy FAIL! Aaron Lucas All of you dumb and narrow minded. Do you really think Nintendo doesn’t have third party support? EA and Bethesda are only people who said they weren’t supporting Wii U. Thats because they wanted Nintendo to kiss there ass and Nintendo won’t do it. There is a point of supporting Nintendo and want a console devoted to third party. I don’t buy any console for third party but for the exclusives. Nintendo fine and the Wii U is amazing. Windwaker Limited Edition is sold out at Gamestop and Nintendo they are bringing there guns out. Nintendo got the same games as PS4 except for first party and EA. I know Destiny hasn’t been announced for Wii U an thats fine. Look at the 3DS people said the same thing when its sales were slow look at it now almost at 30 million units sold. Sony only got three first party games coming out at launch which is Knack, Driveclub, and Killzone ShadowFall is these three games really worth buying a $400 dollar console not at all that’s why I’m waiting to next year when the games are there for it plus I don’t have the money yet LOL. The point is don’t count Big N out yet they been surprising us for awhile now and third party doesn’t matter. People need look back at Nintendo history with the Wii and 3DS. Its third parties fault because they want to be lazy and have there asses kissed that’s not how it works. You want proof look at Skyrim for PS3 buggy as hell and unplayable now its playable after so many updates. They still haven’t got all the DLC for the game yet either. These third party developers need to stop whining its their job to make games and when work at any job its not about the boss kissing your ass but how well you did your job. Wii U failure not a chance in hell just watch its sells go up from here on and now. Christopher Acuna All the Skyrim DLC is out now buddy. But I heard what you’re saying 😉 Archiq09 People wait 2014 for X and Bayonetta2, before WW HD and smash bros. I think if developers help nintendo, they will have a good name for future… IMO … Dead or Alive just wait for know if people want it on wiiu. Yoshiwhirlwind What I’ve also seen a lot of is almost any site with tech focus usually bashes the Wii U so I steer away from all tech sites for my video gaming… everything. blindtiger im getting pretty curious as to why that is… wii u is pretty cool to me and i cant be the only one. its my favorite console hardware of all time, just needs the games that are on their way. springer85 The 3DS is not a home console it is a HANDHELD!!Also the 3DS only had 1 competition the Vita. The Wii U has had a year start and has done NOTHING and has been an epic joke first year and will have to go up against 2 NEXT GEN consoles at Xmas. Also the 3ds got a price drop after 6 months, the Gimmick U stupidly got one after 10 months!!! Wake up the Wii U is dead, Nintendo should ditch and stick to handhelds…..maybe next is the 1DS!!! LOL blindtiger nobody likes a hater DarkLegacy perhaps the word you should be looking for is troll Mr. Berzerk sigh……… howling_wolf1334:[ I laugh at your view point, pal!!! I think that u r no using that little brain(if u have one). Do u really believe that wii u will no longer play a role on this christmas??? Or this is bs that u take from somebody else and u r bring it here??? At the wii u forum??? U need to see more closely, what is really happening on this console war!!!! The ps4 and shitbox one will have a very slow start also!!! But focusing on wii u, once that this big games be released the wii u will skyrocket all the way up… A little sample is the WW HD date release. Nintendo4life Are you still crying about 3ds kicking your lover vita 10 to 1 Wow need a tissue?…Wake up the Vita is dead and sony should kill it off maybe next it will get hacked like they did a few years ago…..LOL springer85 Fact is Iwata and Reggie need to go!! Kinda Ironic how after the success of the Wii iwata told its creator Miyamoto to take a back seat in the development of the Wii U……………BIGGEST mistake in gaming history!!! Miyamoto Wii changed gaming and brought motion controls…..he is asked to take a back seat and the follow up is a complete joke fisher price tablet!!! 2nd screen on a handheld genius move……second screen on a home console….EPIC FAIL!! blindtiger what is your purpose in life? Yen He doesn’t have one. Nintendo4life He has no life ..He lives on welfare and food stamps and still lives with his parents jerking off to call of duty or his vita Mr. Berzerk sigH….. Nintendo4life You need to stop living off your parents and get a job..you bum Ducked TechCrunch should tatoo there heads “Failure” DarkLegacy how about tattooing there whole body failure Clel *their FAIL. BWAHAHAHHAHA Guest I will always thumb down your comments butt sniffer Ducked I was typing from a phone Clel It seems you might have missed my joke. I just found it funny how you were saying that someone/thing was essentially a failure, but at the same time, you ‘failed’ at writing it properly. It’s just a little irony in there that I thought was funny. Also, what would typing from a phone change? DarkLegacy what has a phone got to do with TechCrunch? Ducked The fact that no one uses proper grammar when there typing on a cell phone. Mr. Berzerk See, back in my day, kids that played games were the geeks and nerds. The socially awkward. Gamers were a minority. Now, we have pandering to the jocks. (EA). The bullies, and morons who only got through school because of football are playing the consoles. The grunts from the military want there shooters. Nintendo has stuck to the market that originally went for them. The bashing of the Wii U is like the jocks pushing the nerds books onto the floor. They know that their time in the limelight is short lived, and that the consoles they play will be ‘outdated’ in a couple months. Nintendo just keeps plugging along like the toroise, never(almost) throwing out bad games that have ‘new and imporoved’ version started before the old one is out. I have gone to sony now and then, but I have NEVER stopped getting and playing Nintendo products. springer85 The ONLY people who are gonna buy Mario, Mario Kart and Zelda are people who already have the console. When the 3ds got its big Mario game the Vita was still not released…..when Mario gets released so will the PS4 and Xbone One. Mr. Berzerk sIgH….. DarkLegacy are you okay? you’re doing a lot of sighing Mr. Berzerk Ya, just having fun with swinger85 springer85 Yeah and I was having fun with your Mom last night!!! blindtiger how old are you? Mr. Berzerk sigh… CyanideInsanity HAY GAIS look how machuur I are! I have all teh awesam secks! DarkLegacy alright, you have fun Erik So i am i assuming you are a 14 year old failing classes and playing CoD everyday and night? Come on just admit it 🙂 We are ALL ears about it 🙂 DarkLegacy oh, I see now why you were sighing blindtiger you cant possibly know the future… and when looking at the past chances are that you are wrong… so again… what is your purpose? CyanideInsanity And to kill your validity, I still have yet to buy a wii u. Johny to over exaggerate so much,… it’s really too much… springer85 LOL at the guy who just said PS4 and Xbox one will have a slow start!!! Oh really is that why pre orders of the PS4 have already past 1.5 Million and Xbox One 1.3 Million? They will both have amazing launches and will continue, they both have better and more first year exclusives than the Gimmick U has had this year!! PS4 will easily win this generation with the Wii U last!! Mr. Berzerk SIGH…. springer85 Aww just as your Gimmick U is dead do not cry!!! Great idea Nintendo to release a rushed console a year early….then have ZERO good games for over 10 months!!! boynhisblobs They will not have great starts. Those pre-order numbers are nothing. Even if they sell double that, that’s still what wii u sold. The problem right now is that all the great new games announced are also on current generation systems, so most “hardcore” gamers don’t care that much. The entire world is also still in a recession, making it harder for most to afford these high prices both console and games. Nintendo will see some relief at christmas because they will have the lowest priced consoles on the market, but none of the next generation will sell as good as the previous. We’ll just have to wait and see. Mr. Berzerk sigh…. starwars360 HEADSHOT YOU!!!! howling_wolf1334:[ Smash Bros! Zelda WW HD!!! Mario Kart!!! Bayonetta!!! Rayman Legends!!! Any way, I already own a ps3, a Wii U, a Wii and a shitbox 360!!! so I can tell u the kind of games better than the Shitbox and the PS15000!!! I love Nintendo games anyway!!! I use to have the very first consoles, the TRUE GAMERS consoles, like NES, SEGA Genesis, Atari & Commodore 64… I dont need to know if this “gimmick” wii u will failure or not, Fanboy!!! If u cant let go ur FPS games thats ur f$c#ing problem!!! Dont mess with us!!! R u a fag o what the heck???? D u think that if we get now the PS4 or the Shitbox one CoD ghosts and another upcoming games(like Assassins Creed 4, Halo “I dunno”, Forza “300”, GT 6 and kinda) will keep selling very well??? Both consoles???? STOP shitting yourself, madafaka!!! Its all about the experience u get when u play those games!!! Its not about assume that u r very badass!!! I bet u that u never played the first videogames consoles of all times!!! U were very busy shitting ur “Pampers” and crying for mom!!! Yen Wii U pre-order was over within the day they announced the price. Pre-order numbers mean nothing. Most of them will just be sold for double the retail price on ebay anyway. howling_wolf1334:[ Do not feed the trolls!!!! back to u!!! U know that this will be!!! Thomas Fitzgibbon If you have so much love and confidence for the PS4 and X1, why do waste so much of your time on here? Can’t begin to describe how much of an idiot you look! LOL!!! ROFLMAO!!! PMSL!!! Guest Giving up is nothing. YouGot2LoveAnime with watch_dogs for nintendo i think there wil be WiiU buyers it’s makes it easy to scroll trough your arsenaal of weapons it was even more easy with assasins creed i played it on xbox360 as wel and WiiU works way more beter we also need new zelda game a new mario game on this site i hear from de big man from nintendo (miyamoto) he works on a all new franchise al of these games wil boost sales for WiiU Big-B Give it one more year. If it still sells poorly then maybe that would be the time to pull the plug. Mark I’d still wait to judge. The system still does not have it’s big hitters yet; now, this is a typical excuse, but it’s the truth. Will those big games sell the console, I don’t know. We all just have to wait. david jarman How does better graphics alone shape the future of gaming? Take cell phones for example. The way we interface with them changed the course and direction of cells phone and overtime the processors and graphics improved. I believe the same thing needs to happen with gaming consoles after all in the end it comes down to how we interact with that game and what experience we were left with. I believe that is what nintendo is trying to do. Trying to get us more involved with the game. Touch screens in the early 90’s was viewed as a poor concept and now look at the world. So I believe it’s a great concept and hardware. I believe the 3ds, wii and wiiu are just stepping stones/tools to something greater. John Andalora They never said that graphics were the issue. They said bad hardware, which could be numerous things like slow CPU or GPU, low Ram, or poor processors. In fact, the editorial starts out with the man saying how much he loves Nintendo and says how strong their IPs are, and never makes a single comment about graphics. I’m not defending the Techradar people, and I think that they’re a little harsh in their statement. However, I do think that it is more fair to discuss what they did say rather than what someone thought they said. david jarman They may not flat out stated, but it always seems to be about the processing power. The CPU is fine when the game is built around its achitecture in mind. That’s why I am excited for cryengine cause their engines are built for that type of architecture. In fact they themselves along with other developers state that its a robust beast. It might not be the fastest, but it is using quality components devmiles the consoles capabilities are good, nintendo’s output is just fucking miserable..fact Mr. Berzerk Point could have been made without explisitives, but true. C4 Pikmin 3 and NSMBU is better then Wii’s lineup after 9 month or so in my opinion 🙂 N64 for example also had a slow start after a good initlal lineup. So “fucking miserable” really depends on your point of view. Dell Goodman Honestly, I think WiiUDailiy should stop passing on other peoples opinions. These people who slag off the Wii U, aren’t worth the time. I’ve never heard of TechCrunch till this article, and couldn’t give a toss on their opinion. The Wii U is a joy of a console, much like the Ps3 and Xbox 360 are to other people. The new consoles will have their ups and downs, but it doesn’t mean because their going to be more powerful, that they will be these amazing objects. Bethesda annoyed me with their pathetic attitude, as well as EA. The true companies out there are UbiSoft and Activision, and the Indie developers. The ones who actually want to make a difference and help. Not the ones who’d rather see their names in the headlines for bashing Nintendo. Gabriel Dowdy I’ve never seen anything like this. It’s been out a year and we haven’t even began to see the consoles true power. Crazy how everybody is calling for the Wii U’s demise but they want Nintendo to go 3rd party. These people are crazy, you can’t tell me there’s some sort of conspiracy against Nintendo. Something doesn’t sit right, by the way I’m really enjoying my Wii U. Can’t wait till next W101 and all the craziness starting next month. jay Hasn’t even been a year….. triforcehunter What the heck is a TechCrunch? Starfoxguy They are gonna eat those words coming 2014. DarkLegacy never heard of TechCrunch. I’ll have to Google this SomeFluffer64 And why haven’t they said the same about the Vita? Or the PS3 since it wasn’t profitable until 2011? They didn’t criticize Sony at all, but thy is Nintendo getting too much flack? C4 Vita actually is quite profitable as far as I know. Yep, it took ages until they made profit with the PS3. Lots of media weren’t that positive about the PS3 either. Lucky (for them) the gen lasted for almost 8 years or so! wober2 Wiiu had my favorite line up at pax. I really wish people didnt write it off yet. bayonetta2, wonderful 101, sonic, donkey kong, windwaker, mario 3d are all really fun and consistently good! I think they are missing strong unique online titles and that really holds them back. There is some 3rd party support there but nintendo needs to make a case for online play on the wiiu. Adam Porter well at the end of the day the best titles we have had to look forward to in the last 12 months have been ports of old games, pikmin, w101 and rayman aside the wiiU has nothing but ports or hd updates. 3 games in 12 months isn’t hugely exciting stuff and nintendo should have done better. WWHD and super mario world are just continuing the trend of nintendo releasing either updates or very similar games. still nothing much in the way of originality to look forward to on wiiU in the coming 6 months Anthony Franqui You kind of are selling Watch Dogs, Splinter Cell, Call of Duty up the river there man. Krzysztof I think that there’s a lot of people now, who make quite a lot of money on bashing Wii U. And it works like a magnet for trolls and fanboys. It’s sort of trendy now. GoldDreams The author is probably either a fanboy of the competitors or is being paid off by the competitors. The Wii U really isn’t selling any worse than the PS3 or 360 did when they released. So I fail to see an issue. Infact, all I see everywhere lately is praise for the Wii U and it’s fall/winter game line-up. This system has potential and will be fine come Jan 14. blindtiger seriously… ive never seen so much public hate for a system. i understand if youd rather have a different system… but whats the point of hating? blindtiger i guess most hatred comes from jealousy… so maybe they just want nintendo games on ps4? i suppose we could be flattered… theyre just so mean about it. Victor O I love my WiiU. It’s going to be a great system to have alongside my PS4/XboxOne. Marius Valasinas Wii U IS awesome indeed. Love it love it love it. Can’t wait for Zelda W.W.HD and Mario 3D world. Hope console’s fortune will turn around with those titles and a price cut. Though I haven’t bought Wii U to play 3d party games. It was all about exclusives mainly. david jarman Ok so this author states that it is dud and is a colossal failure and mentions its sales as a proof of its failures then goes to say the 3ds is a failure and that the 2ds is a sign of this and it doesn’t matter if its selling well stellar. blindtiger the author is just a hater… too bad someone decided to give him a job that allows him to spread his garbage makkan they are just afraid that the wii u will become too successive blindtiger no offense ms. ashley king… but is this article good for the industry that we all love? by re-reporting it, havent you contributed to the insane fanboyism? i know its good for clicks and forum discussion but all these discussions are the same. “wii u is awesome.” “no! wii u sucks.” i just feel like im getting dumber… zajac1661 I simply do not care about critics. And i find focusing on it, a waste of time. It is countering negative subjects towards others. I seriously feel too old to care about peole and their opinion on consoles when it comes to unstructured negative debating. Ony Vita is a failure and nobody vomit so much hate on it o_o It’s sad. Being so negative and full of anger. Mark Controversial topics like this are so…ehhh. Well, I guess it’s a good way to get people to come to the site. Daniel Gonzalez Of course. That was the intention of article. Mark Understood. blindtiger nintendo fans come to this site for actual news. articles like this brings sony fans to this site to hate. all clicks are not good clicks… Zorpix Poor concept? Fuck off. Savlep This is how I see it, bear with me (I’ll start with products released in prior years): Wii sales as of June 30th, 2013 = 100.04 million units – XBox 360 sales as of June 30th, 2013 = 78.2 million units – Playstation 3 sales as of March 31, 2013 = 78 million units. Nintendo DS sales as of June 30, 2013 = 153.93 million units – Nintendo 3DS sales as of June 30th, 2013 = 32.48 million units – PS Vita sales as of June 30th, 2012 = 2.2 million units. And so far the Wii U sales as of June 30th 2013 = 3.61 million units with both 0 sold for the Xbox One and 0 sold for the PS4… I’m aware they haven’t been released yet but since the dawn of the seventh generation Nintendo has sold 286.45 million units to Sony’s 80.2 million units and Microsoft’s 78.2 million units! If their products aren’t great why would so many people buy them? That’s almost 300 million Nintendo consoles sold! Michael DeVore For the same reason Android phones outsell iPhones in the US, and around the world making up 70% of the world phone market. However, the iPhone gets all the love because Apple is a cult that everyone wants to join, but can’t always afford. Victory is in the eye of the beholder, and always will be. Savlep But that is a different scenario, in this case Nintendo dominates the gaming market, just based on sales figures alone so I wouldn’t call them a cult or niche market, they appear to be more of the general or mainstream audience whereas the other consoles could actually be considered niche, based on a purely sales based approach. So I’m hard pressed to find an argument to say Nintendo has not made great products since they have the sales to back it up, not just a small cult group worshiping them. Michael DeVore You have my analogy turn the wrong way. I’m implying that the PS3 and 360 have been the overpriced cult, and that Nintendo has, more often then not, been in the position of Android. Selling well, working as intended, but lacks the preppy, or broy, feel that the others have in spades. jay Please don’t compare Nintendo to android. sony is more like android as they copy the competition. NO THERE ARE NO CULTS DUDE, GET OVER IT. Andreas Sunde But Intendo is more like Apple, in that they make both hardware for their own software, the way they want it. Michael DeVore The problem with any analogy is that they can never be perfect. In this case the analogy is only about how they sell, and how they are received by the press. The next iPhone is always presented as the second coming of Christ despite being outsold by Android, and Nintendo is always presented as this is their last system despite a descent track record for making profit in the industry compared to their competition. jay In his eyes Nintendo fans are a cult because they like innovation and reality. According to his “theory” it’s Nintendo sales Vs. ALL gaming sales. jay There’s about 50 Androids. There’s only one iPhone. Also your statistics are wrong. It’s closer to 50/50. With Windows slowly closing in on android. Some people just don’t like copy-cats and Apple devices are world renown to just work. It isn’t a cult and I’m not illuminati. Michael DeVore Reading comprehension, young lad, isn’t your strong suit. The world phone market is far different then just looking at only the US Phone market. That’s why I said “70% of the world phone market”. So since you’re probably research deficient as well as your comprehension skills are try this. http://techland.time.com/2013/04/16/ios-vs-android/ You’ll have to scroll down a bit. I hope you can handed that manual dexterity. As a note you’re still wrong about the US market it’s actually 52% Android and 37% iPhone. The rest seems to be what little MS, and others can cut out. As for your objection to “Cult”. It’s an analogy. Get over yourself. And learn how to edit your posts. Spamming will get you no where in life. Not even in your Illuminati cult. Though Apple does qualify as a Cult of Personality if you want to get technical, but we’ll see how that goes without the personality. I could counter the rest of your argument, but you probably wouldn’t understand what a platform is so it isn’t worth the time. oontz Apple is a cult? And you can’t compare Android numbers… android is JUST the operating system. It’s not a phone manufacturer. Many different companies phones run android OS. You actually need to compare manufacturers, such as HTC, Samsung, etc that use Android on THEIR phones. It’s like comparing ALL personal computers (that use Windows) against ONLY apple computers. It’s a flawed comparison because it’s not fair. Savlep It is also important to consider that Nintendo sold out of its entire allotment of Wii Us originally and we all know things slowed down as software releases slowed. So even if the PS4 and Xbox One sell out preorders and consoles during the first months it will still take a full year to actually compare results. oontz Well you will be able to start comparing numbers right away. As soon as the sales data is available. No need to wait a year. Andreas Sunde Is the Vita a seventh or eight gen handheld, though? If 3DS is eight, Vita is eight. And if Vita is eight, PSP is seventh, which adds roughly 70 million to Sony’s sales. Also keep in mind the people who bought every version of the DS… jay He said “Since the dawn of the seventh generation” Which does not exclude Vita. Andreas Sunde No, but my point is, if the Vita is eight, PSP is seventh, and should therefore be included. Savlep You’re right, PSP sales should be included, 76.3 million as at March 31, 2013. So Sony’s sales from seventh generation on are 156.5 million which is still considerably less than Nintendo’s 286.45 million. Jon if the vita isn’t in the generation of the 3DS is then it would be then to the DS and we saw how well that did. C4 Nintendo produces consoles and video games. Period 🙂 Also it’s one of the better consoles in the last 25 years in my opinion. sdmac200600 Who the hell is tech crunch? Scott Duperree I enjoy my Wii U which has many more games I want to play than I can play, being a family man. Here’s hoping sales turn around. Joey TechCrunch your a failure, i am still playing with my Wii U, why should it failed like Sega Dreamcast there’s alot of Nintendo Fans out there, nothing wrong having more then 1 consoles, for all consoles play different types of games, i still have my PS3. Wii U a poor concept accentuated by poor hardware, i think not, its an awesome machine. Yes it is true abit slow start, so will the PS4 will have a slow start, by the way, as i do not see any games i really like yet for the PS4 at launch date so i am gonna wait a year from now. Not only that, if Wii U is write off, that means only 2 Consoles to choose from and guess what its no fun at all. Ralle Tech Crunch can suck some nuts… #EnoughSaid #Freedomofspeech Jonathan Dogey It’s a moronic article written hastely with no focus or grasp of history. Some of the greatest game systems started off shakey. Few actually know the NES (1985) was widely expected to be a colossal failure because of the video game console market going to crap. When game consoles were being dropped from store shelves. And even in the beginning NES used toy gimmicks to hide the fact that it was a game console. Ganjabriel Del Campo I love Nintendo and the wii U is awesome! wii U is going to be the best console when the ps4 and Xbox one come. That’s why I changed my ps3 for a wii U even though I paid 164 dlls aditionally. Before I knew about the existance of the wii U I was thinking on buying a ps4, nowi discovered and I’m happy with my wii U. I’ll never get a ps4. Madmagican Even if Nintendo WANTED to stop the wii u, it’s too late they’ve already established it as their next-gen console (it’s almost been a year guys o_O) oontz Ummmmm… dreamcast anyone? Not only was the dreamcast an awesome system with awesome arcade quality games…. it was just not enough to keep the other big systems at bay. Madmagican Nah, Wii U’s more of a Gamecube Amazing system that a lot of gamers pass up initially and regret later which leads to more sales in the middle/end of the lifecycle but not enough to make it above the competition Nicolas Dorion I don’t understand how its so easy to forget how the Wii U outsold the xbox 360 in the same ammount of time after the release of the console GregoryRasputin Not true, the 360 had sold about 5 Million units in the same time it has taken the Wii U to sell around 3.6 Million units. Sony and Wii U have around the same amount of sales for the same length of time after release Gregg Cerenzio The very next article: “GameStop Limited Edition Wind Waker HD sold out”. Felix maybe gamestop only had 10 units? XD (trolling mode) Agent721 It was the best selling game on their site since it was announced…so no! NkoSekirei got mine switch to the limited edtion wen i picked rayman legends up oontz game stop is not the only game retailer in north america selling the limited edition. There for we have no way to determine how many units THEY sold and how many are still out there. Henriko Alot of first party s And third party games are comming out for the system. The wii u is going to sell systems when does games come out. The wii u is not a fail. Sora Morp oh no. its going to suceed Akatosh Editorial’s are opinions, so I wouldn’t put much stalk in them. Henry Hotspur It didn’t take this long for 3DS to pick up. This holiday season, from what I can tell, is what will make or break the Wii U. Non_Specific_Action_Figure Yep Mitch Hall Let’s be honest: the Wii U is selling TERRIBLY as of now. I’m not afraid to admit it. However, I’m tired of seeing these “news” sites call it a failure when there are SO many good exclusives coming out for it in the near future. I mean, let’s take a look at the list: *The Wonderful 101 *Wind Waker HD *Sonic Lost World *Super Mario 3D World *DKC: Tropical Freeze *Super Smash Bros. *Bayonetta 2 *Xenoblade 2(?) *Mario Kart 8 Wait until the big games come out to decide whether or not it’s a failure. Truthteller What big games, what list? Those are all from Nintendo and the same OLD titles they have been bragging about for a while with nothing new. It sounds like a list to close out the Wii U with. Mitch Hall So Wonderful 101, Bayonetta, and Xenoblade are “old” IP’s? Troll harder. Nintendo4life FACEPALM! howling_wolf1334:[ Of this list I only care about Bayonetta, Mario Kart, Smas bros and Wind Waker HD!!! These r, since my view point, the BIG games… oontz That’s 8 games that aren’t out yet… 8… only 8… and some aren’t even coming till mid 2014. Again 8 games. Ps4 has over 30 releasing in the first year alone. I lOVE nintendo and my wiiu but Nintendo needs to step up and start making releases happen. Damian Waga Oh screw these “Journalists”. The Wii U has sold nearly 4 Million units, with practically no marketing and very few big Nintendo 1st party games. It’s also being sold at a minimum loss; Where were these people when the PS3 launched, costing Sony billions in designing the processor and billions more on losses? Truthteller The Wii U has sold 3.5M units (rounded). Stop trying to fudge the numbers. Damian Waga There’s a reason why I mentioned “nearly” in my statement. Damian Waga Ever heard of a word called “Nearly”? Skunk “The smashing success of the DS and the uptake of the 3DS” Did you even read the article? Sales 20% behind its predecessor isn’t an uptake… Clairvius AAAAAAHHHHH (Real Monsters) Not :). man i’m starting to hate all the doom theories about the WiiU go out and buy one you’ll enjoy it. Never-mind Nintendo is dead before it even releases any of its major AAA games i forgot my bad. I Personally picked up a new game every Tuesday this month for Wii U and i only buy games i want to play soo yea Nintendo is already starting to turn around not to mention i got Splintercell and Rayman over the ps3 and 360 versions for my wiiU because of the controller witch came in real handy on Splintercell when they pick up in sells youll see more 3rd party support because right now its not worth it for Dev’s to add an extra effort in there games to incorporate the controller and in doing soo piss off both Sony and Microsoft because there clone like games are alittle better on the Wii U because of the game pad options once Sells get to where they should be for this hardware and game sales rise more 3rd party devs will take the risk and cut games for Nintendo I don’t buy that all these indie comps can get in touch with Nintendo and get all the help they need and there companies like Dethesda titting about Nintendo not kissing there butt cheeks enough if a guy in his basement can cut a game on WiiU anyone that can make a game can do it unless your buggy ass glitch of a game won’t pass nintendo’s pre-screening Cough – Skyrim – Cough wonder how many buggs Zelda will have ass clowns Coconut Fanatic AUGH! Why do people have to keep dissing the Wii U? It’s an amazing concept! Truthteller People diss concept albums too… oontz ha ha, so true Jake Yeah it might do okay this holiday season, but once Mario Kart and smash bros, wii u will dominate for that time NkoSekirei dont forget x,and bayonetta 2 those games look sick and that includes watch dogs Jake They do but mario kart and smash sell like +5million Truthteller My man, Mario Kart and Smash Brothers won’t save a thing this time. Nintendo will learn quickly that they need to change their image after the Wii U is discontinued. howling_wolf1334:[ Ojala y estes equivocado, amigo!!! I hope u be wrong, man!!!! Agent721 Its funny how personal this has become. Some people have hated Nintendo for years and any sign of weakness is an op to shit on them. I say who cares? Let the haters hate, let us enjoy a cool console. And considering all the games coming out for it, theres plenty of time to turn things around. If by next year its the same fate, then so be it…but no one can take away from me how much fun this console is. And one console flop, if it even happens, will not sink Nintendo. And what do we want…a 3rd console copying the already similar other 2? Hell No…gaming needs Nintendo’s touch & creativity. A world of gaming run by Sony & MSFT solely would be quite boring. Truthteller Hey, I bought a Sega Saturn and I was mad, but not sad. I was sad with the Dreamcast because unlike the Wii U, that was a great, all-time classic system. Agent721 I owned a dreamcast as well, but I much prefer the Wii U. I would not consider it a classic console what so ever. But it had its good points. That was the console I played online for the first time ever. Via dial-up! Truthteller You have to be bullshittin. Sylux So PS360 should also have been written of as a complete failure after 10 months back then? (both sold even less units then WiiU) while at it just write of PSVita already and PS4/XBox One if they don’t sell 10 million units in the first 3 months. NkoSekirei i agree and every new system will suffer some kind of game drought and even ps4 and xboxone will go through the same thing and besides wii u got a great lineup of games coming this fall so i dont think wii u is doomed like some trolls and lazy ignorant 3rd party devs says sd The interesting thing is the sales trend. The Wii U was doing very well at launch, better than many other new consoles. It is currently not far off the 360/ps3 at this same point in their lives. But the other consoles started slowly and increased in sales. Nintendo started strong and sales have slumped. I hope it succeeds, games are now being released. But If it does not improve in the next 12 months Nintendo do need to think about moving on the following year. That is 2 more holiday seasons to try and sell this. Then by the 2015 release a new console if it doesn’t work. Truthteller No, it will be over after THIS holiday coming up! Sylux I agree with you on the 2015 deathline, it’s a shame wiiu sales are stagnating but in the first months Nintendo also really underestimated HD development, honestly I don’t know who is to blame but all the negativety about wiiu, games skipping it, stuff like this TechCrunch statement are not healthy publicity either 🙁 sd No it doesnt. Hopefully they turn things around at xmas. I will be watching closely as I want it to succeed. At the moment it could go either way. The competition ahead is tough. Bill Bong The Wii U i not a failure. It is not selling because games are not being release every week for it. It need games. Where are the games? The only thing bad about the Wii U is the name. It should be called the Wii 2 or something completely different. sd Super Wii. Truthteller I guess even when it is discontinued, you people will still be saying that it did not fail. DragonSilths Same old same old. They chose to ignore the Wii being the winner of the 7th gen. They chose to ignore the 3DS being the most dominate system nowadays. They only targeted the Wii U failing issue to get views on their failing website. Humanity truly is a sad pathetic thing isn’t it. Truthteller Meh! charley_u Wii u is my favorite since the nes Truthteller Talk about paid! devmiles they way nintendo presented and handled the launch was absolutely horrible and since lost a lot of support of developers too. also lots of games were postponed. we are safe to say the wii-u had a bad start, it would have been so much better if the proper games were released in time. the mario and luigi game were just quickies..something just doesn’t feel ok. so far no epicness has been announced either..something that would really blast me away..like a metroid prime or a proper good zelda game ( i just don’t count windwaker since it’s old and played over many times ) pikmin 3 was good but a really short game, wonderful 101 is ok but not epic. super mario 3d worlds gives me too much of an mario 3ds feel, too much kiddy. bayonetta 2 is gonna be good i think and more focussed towards an older audience. for some reason i get too much kiddy feel with nintendo right now. i don’t think the wii-u is gonna do extremely well in time but maybe just like the gamecube in comparison to ps2 and xbox at the time. miiverse is extremely lame, you get easily banned too it’s just 8 year old online stuff. PS4 is gonna be the winner of this era i’m sure of that, maybe i got too old for nintendo dispite the fact i don’t want to be. it seems nintendo hasn’t quite and clearly developed a direction for the wii-u both technically and with software. i know it will take time, maybe another year or so, i wish them the best but the best publishers are with the competitors Steve I’m going to wait until next year! If the Wii U’s sales don’t improve by the time these good games come out… Then I’ll consider what these folks say. Truthteller All you have to do is wait until December 29th! However, if pre-orders of the upcoming systems say anything, it is that they outsold the Wii U before release. Paladinrja Pre-orders for Wii U within the days of E3 2012 tracked at 288K – all picked up (obviously). Last confirmed count of PS4/X1 combined was under 200K. Thats all record-breaking Amazon 1500 pre-orders an min/hour/whatever amounted to. oontz Smoke some more crack… paid pre-order’s of PS4 ONLY have already surpassed 1 million units. http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Has-Million-Pre-Orders-Worldwide-58458.html SONY even went on record and announced that FACT during their key note presentation. YOU FAIL! Paladinrja Fail at what? Listen the only reason platforms go open third party platforms is when they have no direction. Like a whore who becomes so because they feel they have no choice. Any gamer that buys either a PS4/X1 is aiding in the destruction of gaming and bith Sony and MS will charge you for every little thing every step of the way. So lets hope that IF those 1mln pre-orders result in boxes-in-homes then thats the limit of it. This isn’t about some stupid fucking console war. Its about an industry thats very much like pre-’83 games industry crash. oontz Wow, I didn’t think it was possible but you may have single handed typed THE stupidest thing I have ever read on the internet. Congratulations!! “Fail at what?” what you said originally… “Last confirmed count of PS4/X1 combined was under 200K.” thats… ummm only 800,000+ of the actual pre-prder number. Still confused at what you failed at? Obviously true gamers are speaking with their dollars this generation and so far PS4 is dominating. Igor It’s been almost a year, and what good games we have? I myself would be interested only in 3 (101, Zelda WW, maybe Pikmin 3), being 2 of these not released yet. Not to mention the poor choice of a name they came up with for the console. devmiles your first sentence hits the very issue with the wii-u. you could say that with the launch nintendo even got lucky that they had some software support but none of those titles were special or better than a ps3 or xbox 360 version. i know other consoles had their startup time too but almost a year and some lame titles and virtual console stuff..no, you can’t justify that. i think nintendo’s focus is completely wrong in this era. a 2ds for instance..is that to make up for the wii-u loss or something? even the gamecube had better 3rd party support. i’m a big nintendo fan but consider the NES and SNES era as the best (also 3rd party support) along the way nintendo lost more and more support. The wii has some great titles but in the end also a small stack. i’m just worried what nintendo is doing right now..based on output i say bad Igor I agree with you. There’s no denying they tried to live up to the name of the Wii and DS by not changing it on their next gen consoles. The idea of a 2ds being for kids is just small talk in my opinion. It’s confusing, and I don’t like the idea of various consoles with different versions doing really similar things. They should just release the best they could and that’d be it (and cut off the crap like that camera). The only thing I’d have to add is that the N64 was very important as well as the NES and SNES. Mario 64, Star Fox, Zelda OoT and Majora’s, Super Smash Bros and other great games came from this plataform. So I’d include this console as a part of the “Nintentrilogy”. Just my thoughts. KoopaShell I don’t see the reason why people don’t want a Wii U. It’s a great system with many great games to come. Also, why do people think it’s an add on to the Wii. Did people think that the SNES was an add on to the NES. crocodileman94 I’m pretty sure they did. Shadao Yes, just write it off as a failure despite the fact the competitors are not released yet. What great strategy. By that logic, why don’t we just off the ship into shark-infested waters during a thunderstorm while our experienced captain is trying to get us to safety just because you’re afraid that the ship going to sink at any moment (even though there are no major leaks in the hull). oontz that’s a stupid analogy. Joel Perhaps he’s just mentally handicapped. It could happen, people. $41809923 I WILL SUPPORT THE WII U FOR EVER OK sd The Wii U is a great console. Of course they will need to keep a close eye on things. For me if sales do not improve by mid to end of next year then write it off. For now they should keep going and if it doesn’t have a huge increase in sales they should release a new console by November 2015. That gives them 14 months to increase sales and then if it doesnt work another 12 months to make great games for a new console. If they do a new console I want an old school powerhouse. It would need to be much more powerful than the X-1 or PS4 to stand a chance. They would also need great games at launch and following launch. Bill Ginzburg Bronson I guess that writer is smarter then Nintendo. According to him the smart move was to just have incrementally better graphics, because we all know that’s what makes a game, its the graphics. That way we can have 3 consoles that are exactly the same and have exactly the same games……. Know that i think about it this reporter sounds like a communist oontz “That way we can have 3 consoles that are exactly the same and have exactly the same games…….” You don’t make a valid argument. Regardless of system power, developers MAKE the games. Even if all 3 systems were exactly the same power the GAMES would be different because they’re made by different developers. Bill Ginzburg Bronson Look at the difference between ps4 and xbox one launch line up. the difference is something like 3 games oontz You completely missed my point. jon demetzky Why on earth would anyone give the time of day to a site ran by aol? Leorio I Think TechCrunch is a failure, they should think about killing their site. cs_shane I’m sorry, but the Wii U is a failure. Comparing it to the 3DS is just plain stupid. In the first year, the 3DS sold 4.5 million units, and Wii U has, as of June 30th, 2013, has sold 3.61 million units. The 3DS also didn’t have launching competitors in it’s second holiday season. The Wii U has both the Xbox One and PS4 launching in it’s second holiday season. This time around, Nintendo has also made an insane move: launching Super Mario 3D World on the SAME day as Xbox One. Seriously!? Nintendo really thinks that Xbox One customers are going to pick up a game for their Wii U when they’re buying a brand-new console? No they’re not. The “near-christmas” release date was better and left Mario a fighting chance. sd Families and Nintendo fans will buy a wii u over the x-1 and PS4. The games are being released so saying it is over yet is a bit premature. It might fail. But I say its 50/50 at the moment. Also you assume that anyone who hasnt pre-ordered an X-1 and PS4 will be able to just pick one up. If either sell out then Wii U will be a consolation buy. Nothing is certain yet. Petri Was just about to say the same. Its also quite amusing how people who excessively follows gaming (ie. people on gaming sites like this), think they’re majority of the consumers who buys these consoles. I as a consumer, am completely happy with my purchase (Wii U). I as a gamer, wish Nintendo could get more games. I as a family guy and working man, wish Nintendo would slow down, I have no time to play all the games I want on Wii U alone. But that’s just my personal hell. But I think Nintendo and Wii U will be just fine. They really should start a more excessive marketing campaign this holiday season though. E3 was smart, that was mostly thing that gaming community was interested in, and giving stage to MSony didn’t hurt them at all. But they really shouldn’t think they cant compete with new console releases this holiday season. sd Taking to the stage at E3 would have been bad for them. If they hold their own this holiday season they will be fine. The next gen consoles will have a slight game drought after christmas. So assuming Nintendo pump out some decent games sales will keep picking up. Nintendo are the only company that can make such great games with universal appeal. Sure when I get an X-1 I will play battlefield 4 and love it, but my son wont see this game, nor will he see dead rising or killer instinct. With Nintendo games I can have immense fun while my son watches the game being played (he is 5 and loves watching games like Pikmin being played). Petri My son loves to watch warawara plaza, especially on Gamepad, I don’t know how he manages, but he switches screens and zooms in on those little mii characters, he’s only 10 months old. Reason I switched to Nintendo is that its fun for everyone and Sony & Microsoft wasn’t really offering me anything I couldn’t get on PC. sd That’s also why I stayed with Nintendo in the first half of this year when I had played all the games that appealed to me. I want my sons first gaming to be Nintendo. So much more fun and so much more appropriate. Elem187 “first year, the 3DS sold 4.5 million units, and Wii U has, as of June 30th, 2013, has sold 3.61 million units.” I’m not sure you should have tried to make that point… basically what you are saying is Nintendo is on track with the Wii U in its first year to outsell the 3DS’s first year by 2 to 1. Your argument that the Wii U is a failure because it sold 900k less systems in half the time….. At this rate, 3.6 million in 6 months, it will sell 7.2 million by the end of the year….. If you’re going to troll you should probably do some homework and some math. sd Read my comment again. I have not said Wii U is a failure. Not even once. It was the person I was replying to that said this not me. I was saying it is too early to say. “nothing is certain yet” Did you reply to the wrong person? The fact at the moment is the Wii U started strong. Then sales collapsed. usually consoles start slow and sales lift. The wii U is selling 30,000 consoles a week “after” a sales boost with pikmin. This is 2 million a year at best. They need 100,000 sales a week to stay in the game. With their new releases this could happen. But it is too soon to call either way. So “nothing is certain yet”. Personally I want them to succeed. But you replied to the wrong person, I have not said in any post that they have yet failed. my position is and always has been that they still have a chance. Joey I’m sorry your a failure… nuff said cs_shane So I’m a failure for posting my own post? If you don’t like my post then don’t post and say I’m a failure. This is a discussion area for a reason. zhenyaivan but why??????? I don’t want my games cancelled Bayonetta 2, X, SMTxFE etc. !!!! TaintedXGamer who sed nintendo was cancelling anything lol? that not nintendo’s style at all that more like Crapcom, I still haven’t forgiven them for Almost killing Megaman, (as you know even the Creatoe was NOT happy, which is why he ditched em, i believe) MysticDude97 Four words for TechCrunch, Super Smash Bros. U… ’nuff said. MysticDude97 TechCrunch. Poor, naive, TechCrunch. Nintendo’s Wii U will be the highest selling this generation, as was its predecessor or its respective generation. Just give it time. If you can count on Nintendo for anything, it’s that they’ll make cruise-ship loads of money, on what may seem like they got drunk, put a bunch of garbage together, slapped a Nintendo logo on it to TechCrunch, and the like, ordered a pizza and went to bed, but, in true embracement, is pure genuis. Truthteller You are delusional. Guest Like yourself. MysticDude97 No, you’re delierpaderp! MOM! SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET IS CALLING ME NAMES!!! MOM, MAKE THIS GUY (OR GAL?) STOP!!! iPedro1000 I’ve been willing to give the WiiU time to regain ground and I do believe that it will. Nintendo understands that it’s not about the spec sheet, it’s about the end experience. It has a library of games coming out this holiday season that proves it and that library gives it a shot at beating Sony and Microsoft again in this generation. But as the article points out, Xbox and Playstation aren’t their only enemies. While they fight amongst each other, there’s a crowd of new competitors in a position to steamroling them all over — they’ll all die together. To a generation raised on glass retina displays, Nintendo failed dramatically to impress. One cannot help but feel that the WiiU’s touch interface is extremely outdated. The poor finger response, the lack of multi-touch and the low resolution of the GamePad screen felt old right out of the box. To reinvent itself and succeed as both a hardware and software company, Nintendo has to do 3 things: 1 – Use its hoard of cash to buy 3 or 4 talented gaming houses and put Miyamoto in charge of getting each one to develop brand new versions of each of their IPs simultaneously. This will retain their NES era fans and resolve the problem of their too slowly developing library. They need games right away. The WiiU is starving and that’s the very simple reason why it’s not selling. 2 – Re-release the WiiU as an inexpensive AppleTV like device. To speed development and retain the existing library, it would use similar internals to the WiiU but would omit the optical drive. It would be a digital distribution box. The big challenge but the most important priority would be to make it cheap — impulse buy cheap. $99 cheap. By eliminating the GamePad, along with simplifying the console hardware and omitting the optical drive, this could be achieved. No GamePad? Next step please… 3 – The Nintendo (let’s call it that) would tap into the wildly popular Apple hardware and iOS market. The new Nintendo console would come with a controller where you BYOTS (bring your own touch screen). It would have the ergonomic physical controls that Nintendo is so good at producing but would use an iPod or iPhone to both A) act as the touch screen and B) supply the processing power and wireless connectivity to communicate in real time with the console. In a way, the Nintendo would be an iOS accessory. If you walk into an Apple Store and see this $99 Nintendo box that would let you play all of Nintendo’s legendary iP on your iPhone, wouldn’t you buy one? This sets things up for the 3DS successor. If there’s still a mobile console market in 2 years, then Nintendo’s new handheld would work as the Nintendo’s gamepad for those who don’t already own an iOS device. With this strategy implemented, Nintendo would remain a hardware and software maker and would be prepared to ride along the smartphone and tablet market and leave its old foes PlayStation and XBox sinking together in the quicksand. Elem187 Thankfully you are not CEO because you don’t understand anything about business nor economics. Joey i got no problem with the finger response touch of my gamepad and the resolution of the gamepad screen is not old, it has high resolution what’s wrong with you, so i down voted you as you know nothing about the Wii U. iPedro1000 And it appears that you know nothing about the current generation of touch devices if you don’t get the impression that the gamepad feels old. The WiiU’s touch screen works fine but it doesn’t work well. It uses outdated pressure sensitive touch input rather than the tappable capacitive touchscreen that this generation is used to on their smartphones. Look, I’m a huge Nintendo fan and if you read my previous comments, I’m an optimist and believe (and hope) that the WiiU can succeed. But we’re kidding ourselves if we think Nintendo can continue on this path, ignoring the upcoming onslaught of tablets and smartphones becoming legitimate gaming systems. Joey yes i do, just saying me and my friends have no problems with the touch screen, nothing totally wrong with it, works perfectly fine, even the 3DS is perfectly fine as well without being capacitive touch screen type. Rémi This guy isn’t respecting some basic concept of argumentation, and i’ll showcase some specific case of jaw-dropping stupidity: 1 : Prophecy-driven sentence “If Nintendo was smart, they’d write it off right now. But they won’t. They’ll wait. And wait. And wait. They’ll cite history as their guide that their consoles can take a while to become profitable. But they’ll be wrong this time. ” Who the hell are you to make the statement that a console cannot take a while to be profitable ? The PS3 with its very bad start is the perfect exemple of a counter-argument. 2 : Random use of statistic as argument “They realize the metrics that really matter: that the 3DS is tracking roughly 20 percentbehind its predecessor in terms of sales. That’s not only not a good trend, it’s a devastating one (after a few early price cuts, to boot). A couple more of those and we have a company on the brink.” Even if this statistic is true ( without source i suppose it’s not ), the total sale of the DS is 156 M unit sold. 80% of this number is 126.296 M. This is certainly not a failure since it’s 25% more than original Wii, the most SUCCESFULL console of the last generation 3 : WTF statement based on NOTHING “But all the 2DS really is is an admission that the 3DS is ultimately a failure.” Oh, so the Ipod Shuffle is an admission that the Ipod is a failure ? So the PS3 slim is a proof that the Ps3 is a failure ? In conclusion, this guy doesn’t know anything about the gaming industry. He like to make bold statement without data to proove it. Not impressed. Satoru Iwata Too much arguing in this farticle. All of you calm down! Vakua Dorn ha ha. funny. nintendo makes a concept that competitors and reviews condemn and copy at the same time yet again! Truthteller It’s called insurance. Truthteller Told you! companyoflosers i feel like the wii u is right at that point before we see a boom in awareness and sales. despite the other consoles coming out this holiday, if you think about it, right now the wii u has more games out for people to enjoy then xb1 or ps4 will have at release and wii u will still pretty much be launching 1 exclusive per month between now and mid next year which is alot for exclusives. that doesnt include the third parties games and indie games that release on eshop. im getting a xb1 on day 1 but ive looked at the games and the only launch title that will be out day 1 that im looking forward to is dead rising 3 and xb1 is the one with the most exclusives on release. most interesting games for ps4 and xb1 are LAUNCH WINDOW but not day 1 launch meaning we will still be waiting a while for anything else interesting. not an excruciatingly long time but still. the wii u had way more games available on day one then either the xb1 or the ps4 combined, though a few were ports. if you ask me i think the claim that wii u doesn’t have any games is unfounded. i can easily list a bunch of games i must have for wii u and some of them include ports that the wii u make better than its 360 and ps3 counterparts. people will come to realize this and will see the slew of releases this holiday season and next year and the same thing that happened with the 3ds will happen to the wii u. the 3ds after all was less powerful than the vita by far but is vastly more successful despite a slow start which proves that high hardware specs are not the most important issue with a console’s popularity. oontz “i feel like the wii u is right at that point before we see a boom in awareness and sales. despite the other consoles coming out this holiday” See I feel the exact opposite… no one I speak online with or socialize with that are actual gamers even have the Wiiu on their radar. Those that know about the wiiu and have even played mine show no interest in owning one. They are ALL getting either a new PS4 or XB1 though. I think it will be very interesting how this all plays out. Elem187 There is no reason for them to buy one yet…. After Nintendo throws down the gauntlet of their awesome first party games, the fortunes of this system will change and so will the perception. Nintendo is very smart to get their big 3D Mario game out the door just in time for Christmas will move systems oontz See you can keep saying that but truth is that Nintendo gauntlet is really only a hand full of games deep. Super Mario 3d World, Super Smash Brothers, DKC-TF, Mario Kart 8… That really isn’t that much incentive to spend a few Hundred dollars unless you’re a diehard Nintendo fan. Truth of the matter is there will be much more selection and gaming choice on PS4. That much is already certain. 30+ first party PS4 exclusives in the first year 12 that are new IPs and that still doesn’t include all the multi-platform support that isn’t coming to wiiu. companyoflosers alot of my friends come over to play on my wii u and we r all over 18. i think they just come to play mine to avoid spending money to get it themselves because theyve all agreed its fun and a better experience than they expected. oontz See my friends say meh, it’s okay. But they feel it’s not much better than the ps3 other than the game pad and if they are about to spend a few hundred dollars on a new game system it might as well be a PS4. Put it this way I’ll have no problem playing online with my friends on the ps4 in a few months… but I’ll be playing solo with the wiiu. companyoflosers I think that depends on what games you have and how biased people are. if your friend really WANTS the wii u to suck then they will no doubt find fault with it somewhere no matter what. I have pretty much all the games I think were worth buying so far and I have found at least 1 game that every friend of mine loves. my family loves nintendoland and a few friends like playing it as just a sort of casual time passer. one of my friends loves the zombiU multiplayer, another loves splinter cell multiplayer, i have another who always brings his 3ds over to co-op monster hunter 3 ultimate. i mean sure not ALL of the games are exclusive or are upgraded ports, some arent but they all have mentioned likeing the differences in how a game plays due to it being on the wii u as opposed to the 360 or ps3. the wii u puts a twist on alot of how games play. that being said, i still understand the hesitation from people but i find it hard to believe that people will stay hesitant after all the new games from the holiday season and later that will only be on wii u. oontz It has nothing to do with being biased. It has everything to do with the availability of games. Unless you’re a die hard Nintendo fan and MUST HAVE every Nintendo game then you’ll get better bang for your buck by buying a different system. So for a gamer such as myself, I will own both a Wiiu you and a PS4 because I love nintendo games enough to justify buying their console for a few of their first party titles. This unfortunately is not how everyone feels. Most people will only buy one system this generation and that is PS4. companyoflosers by biased i was referring to the people who buy into the hype about the wii u being no good without actually trying it. i understand how smart it is to own two consoles rather than one and in fact im one of those people. i dont like to buy into trash talk without seeing something in action myself. i have the xb1 pre-ordered but i could revoke my order and switch whenever i feel i should. my current reason is i still believe microsoft is better at getting exclusives than sony. two consoles with a larger number of exclusives seems worthwhile to me. not saying the ps4 isnt worthwhile, it seems like it could be very strong and if thats the case ill get it instead or in addition to the xb1. oontz That’s exactly why I am getting a PS4. Sony has far more exclusives that are great IPs. So this time around again I will have a Wiiu/PS4 just like last generation when I had wii/ps3. But for everyone I know that would never buy TWO game systems… only one. They are all buying PS4. Truthteller Here is the deal. The Wii U must sell 2M units or better to stay alive. If it sells under 1M (including 800K for example), it will HAVE to be discontinued. There are only a trickle of games coming in for the system and word of mouth travels fast! If someone might buy one (!), then someone might tell them to put that down as it is outta here. My experience in watching the market allowed me to call the end of this system early. Not because I hate Nintendo, but because I see what they are doing and where gaming is going and where it is at. Where it is at is not where Nintendo is at, as they are stuck in the past. howling_wolf1334:[ Okay!!! I got a better idea!!! But the most nintendo fans will hate me if I post it!!! Anyway the gamers maybe will get my point, because both of this companies were working together before they chose diferent ways or better said, split themselves!!! My opinion is this… Why Sony and Nintendo join forces and unite against Microshit??? If they make a super console, with the best of Sony PlayStation and the best of Nintendo they crush all competition!!!! Thats my crazy idea!!! The dream of any true gamer!!! HAHAHA!!! sd No…..If Nintendo must join forces with anyone in the future it should be sega. Make all of sega and Nintendo games exclusive on one system and it will sell. It will sell faster than any console in history. But before that happens Nintendo would need to spend some of their 8 billion in available cash. They could have another 2 consoles fail and only then would they be in trouble. AT the moment the company is still making a profit even with the Wii U doing so badly. The company themselves are not even remotely in trouble. C4 I actually wonder why they haven’t secured more exclusives in time. Sumo’s racing game is great and there’s the Wii U (and 3DS) exclusive Sonic. Some of their teams have years of experience with HD consoles and on the other hand some Nintendo teams were (are) still busy with 3DS games. The same goes for some other 3rd parties. Also for the US market specifically sports games are important (Nintendo even made a Kobe Bryant Basketball game on N64) and of course there’s Wii Sports which was one of the more popular games on Wii U predecessor. Not sure if a Bayonetta really got that mainstream appeal (not that I complain about the Platinum stuff on Wii U 🙂 ) . As you said they have all the money they could have invested wisely in time. Half a year of no 1st party release is of course a shame. howling_wolf1334:[ But, I dont get it… why save Nintendo??? Is in trouble now??? Of course NOT!!! With all the millions $$$ that they have on the bank they can survive the next WW III, even the WWZ(like the movie, lol) or even a Zombie Apocalipsys!!! Nintendo is not in financial problems… I mean the DREAM of A TRUE GAMER(Thats my thoughts, sorry if u dont share the same opinion, we live in a world open-minded) is SONY PS(means horsepower and some good games) plus NINTENDO(means very good and the coolests games overall the consoles) is equal to a Super Console!!! The best console of all!!! Microsh!t(Microsoft) will not have a chance against this hypothethical Super Console!!! Do you know what I mean, right??? howling_wolf1334:[ Im not side with Microsoft, neither Nintendo nevertheles Sony! Im on the side of myself! If I like one game then I buy it, i dont care for what console is designed… but the games most I like always has been from Nintendo… Its all about the game!!! Not graphics, or gameplay… Is the way that oneself feel when playing such games… Did u get my point??? Elem187 Millions? They have alot more than millions…. try Billions. Like 10’s of billions of USD Kriffix You know, say the Wii U perks up so much so that even you couldn’t deny it. Will you still be here on this site? admitting you were wrong? Or will you just disappear like all of the anti-nintendo people who say it’s dead each generation never to return until the next console, at which you will assume a new name and start it all again. That’s what makes people like you so tiresome to read. You all disappear as soon as you’re proved wrong, abstigating yourself of all responsibility, never to learn a single lesson. Normally I don’t reply to trolls, but I don’t see you as one exactly. More of a highly opinionated guy that ignores history out of stubbornness. I’m curious to see if you’ll sink with your ship of negativity like a real captain should, or whether you’ll just abandon ship when things don’t go the way you predict. Truthteller I am not a troll, that is why you don’t see me as one. I will admit it if the Wii U pulls through, but let’s get real – it just can’t pull through without games. Nintendo’s games don’t do it. When you look at the NES, as a child, I loved Nintendo’s games (it attracted me to the system), but I loved other’s games too. I like seeing the Taito, Acclaim, Activision, etc. on the boxes with their unique covers. Now Nintendo is all alone and they will realize that they must work with people, not against them. Elem187 did you know the Wii U has nearly sold almost double your 2 million proclomation? If your going to troll, you should probably do your research first. Its already almost at 4 million. Truthteller We were talking about sales over the upcoming holidays. FutureFox Buttmunch felony211662 I have been up voting and down voting the comments and the winner of the flame war is… nexxus6 I feel that third party devs are “lazy” when it comes to Nintendo. Not enough companies try to create for the system and often just port over their titles to N’s systems. If third party devs were to put time and effort into creating a unique experience that utilizes what the WiiU offers, then maybe they would see better sales and reception of their software. Also, I think its trendy among developers to “hate” on Nintendo, especially the ones here in the West. Based on comments and articles that have been made toward the WiiU, it seems as if Nintendo is held to a different standard than its competitors. Logan Waltz poor hardware? poor concept? now we know this guy is retarded. oontz The concept is great just poor realization of the concept because Nintendo wanted it to come in at a specific price point. Paladinrja “The Death of the Wii U has been Greatly Over-Stated” – Actually every Nintendo console of every Gen from the very moment a competitor was birthed. Ever since the Wii, there is this extreme bias Nintendo is fighting; but I don’t think that ‘until the Wii U’ they understood how deep that bias exists within the industry. Why? – because the Wii proved the industries ability to innovate was severely limited. I fear for the PS4/X1 longevity due to this. Software cannot innovate enough alone, to capture peoples attention; nor seemingly hardware that at the very least, inspires immagination. We were bored 2yrs ago on PS360, so I’m gonna be generous and give PS4/X1, 2yrs. However I’m of the opinion it’ll be much faster than that. On a different note, I’m aware that these sites are multi-platform oriented, seperated by a simple domain. Yet I’m perplexed as to how Pete Hines can shoot his mouth off and isn’t being totally brought to answer for it. Nintendo and Zenimax-Bethesda have never spoken to my knowledge and the only hardware limitation is the lack of extensively purposed hardware DRM measures in the Wii U. Why isn’t this being pressed? Is journalism going to ignore the Wii U like the Wii? oontz “We were bored 2yrs ago on PS360” HA HA… speak for yourself I (and millions of others) have been enjoying a ton of amazing games on the PS3 for the past 2 years. Get your head out of your A$$. “so I’m gonna be generous and give PS4/X1, 2yrs. However I’m of the opinion it’ll be much faster than that.” You seriously think the new systems are going to fizzle out and be done in 2 years? Are you smoking crack? They will easily be on the market for 8 to 10 years. Just like the generations before them. Jonathan George Anaya I was at work when I read this article. The editor of this great site bashes his piece, yet, she should have left a link… It makes perfectly valid points and tries to help steer Nintendo in the right direction. Companies that become complacent with past victories can never focus on the battle forming on the horizon. Nintendo was on a Crossroad: Innovate or Join the Technological Arms Race. The Gamepad has yet to justify the Wii U price point. IF Nintendo put out a Wii U bundle sans the gamepad in exchange for a Pro Controller at $150, wouldn’t Nintendo had just killed off the competition? The PS4 and X1 would be fighting for a distant second place. What game makes the gamepad necessary? Pikmin 3? Batman: Arkham Asylum? Super Mario Bros U? Smash Brothers U? Mario Kart 8? Wind Waker? Nintendo’s biggest franchises still don’t properly utilize the Gamepad… How are third parties to figure it out? Jannie Die kerel is gewoon een azijnpisser. Maar ja, wie ben ik om dat te zeggen?! Ik ben Nintendo fan in hart en nieren, dus ben ik niet negatief over de Wii U, integendeel. Zeker niet als Zelda Wii U wordt aangekondigd. En zoals alle fans hieronder zeggen: The Wii U is awesome and i’m very happy with the console. jordyred96 tech crunch can just F*%K off then Carlo Vargas H Luz Underestimate Nintendo at your perish. Remember this? – Nintendo 64: “Cartidges? Nintendo is dead” – Gamecube: “Mini DVD´s? Nintendo is dead” – NDS: Lower power than PSP? Nintendo is dead” – Wii: Lower power than 360 and PS3? Nintendo is dead All those consoles sold in tens of millions. Underestimate Nintendo at your perish Joey Its not about lower power Nintendo consoles it’s about how you play the games, where games are fun to play. Your an underestimate one. Kristian Kouvo Techcrunch people are not right in their head. Wii U is this gens most interesting console having a superb controller. The competitors are still offering a gamepad from 1990’s. Entropyguy I can’t say I really buy his argument that the Wii U is a failure because of the popularity of the *iPhone*, of all things! springer85 Techcrunch are 100 percent correct!! Nintendo have become a joke!! The Wii was so popular as it was aimed at kids,parents,grand parents and brought family’s together to get up and play games and was why for the first 2 years the Wii was sold out and was like golddust!! Nintendo have and NEVER will be catered for the hardcore gamer and have not in over 30 years. For them to stupidly decide that the Wii U will cater for the hardcore gamer has totally gone away from what made the Wii so popular! The Wii U Gamepad takes those people who got up out of their seats with the Wii and put them back in those seats!! They never should have released the Gamepad, Sony and Microsoft have kept the same controller for 3 generations and have done fine!! They should have made a more powerful console and just re designed the Wii controller and called it the Wii 2!! The Wii U is dead wake up!! Petri Were you even born 30 years ago? And if you are what represents this “hardcore” in gaming, I’ll gladly stick with my casual Nintendo console. Joey Nintendo a Joke LOL you hate Nintendo then as your not a fan of Nintendo but i am certainly not a fan at any consoles. Each consoles play each its own games i like playing Mario games and Zelda’s and some other ones, which you cannot play on PS3 or Xbox360. You Wake up, as more games are coming along will come as i see fit, any new consoles are always slow at the start. You sound like a troll to me, i don’t care what you think. Kriffix Oh wow, what a load of rubbish. Also,”But all the 2DS really is is an admission that the 3DS is ultimately a failure”. What is this logic? The only reason something as arguable bizarre as the 2DS can exist is because the 3DS is doing so well that they can afford to create such a variant of it. Nintendo hasn’t abandoned 3D, they’re just covering all bases because since their core handheld is doing well they can AFFORD TO DO SO. The Wii U will surely pick up the pace too, and people like this will disappear as if they had said nothing. I want a dedicated youtuber or site naming and shaming these ‘bullies’ years down the line for always creating such negative press to increase their view count a little. Currently they always get off scot free and their credibility remains in tact despite stirring up such crap 🙁 Cowards! endCredits Dear World, The Nintendo Wii U is not a failure. As for me this console is one of the best I’ve had. Graphics and other fluff dosen’t make a good console. Stay strong Nintendo! I’m here and a bunch of others too, ready to support U! PachterStation The Wii U could be a great console, but after nearly a year, it’s not happened and it probably never will happen. Same old games, poor third party support, delaying Mario Kart until 2014 and the high price, it’s just not on. And the Zelda HD pack for £280 tops proves how blind Nintendo are. Only the 3DS is keeping it going. Currently, the Xbox 360 and PS3 are doing well and the Xbox One and PS4 will be out soon, this is major bad news for Nintendo. They need more games and a cheap price, but it’s never going to happen. £199 with a game and hard drive is something Nintendo would laugh at, but the truth is, it’s either that or it follows the Dreamcast to Console Heaven. Kriffix People like you said the same about the 3DS. Now you’re using it to make it sound like you’re open minded about the things Nintendo do right in an attempt to make it sound like you don’t have some vendetta against the Wii U. You’re a convenient lot. You’ll just change your tone when the next Nintendo Console is announced. At which point you’ll be using the Wii U as an example of what was done right and how it keeps the company alive whilst the next console will “doom” it. springer85 The Wii U is a great idea is just it was launched at the wrong time!! It should have launched at the end of 2009 when Wii sales were lagging to go against the PS3 and 360 when motion controls were at its peak. To launch a year early was a complete waste of time, it was never ready and Nintendo just thought they could release a half ready console and live off 3rd party till the big AAA games arrived. The fact that Pikmin 3 was supposed to be a launch title but was released 10 months later proves just how rushed the Wii U was. They did exactly the same with the 3ds……..only to go one worse with the Wii U. The AAA Nintendo games do not arriving till mid next year that is another 10 months wait for any decent system selling games arrive. No one cares for the Wii U and that is why sales have been a disgrace, everyone’s attention is now on the next gen. Wii U is dead!! Kriffix Wii U is suffering from lack of big titles. And there is a hefty wait for them too, you’re right about that bit. But why do I get the feeling that when the Wii U inevitably picks up speed you’ll be long gone? You did this negativity campaign for the 3DS when it was newly launched too, right? Come on, be honest ;D Another thing, these next gen consoles that you say everyone cares about so much. Why are they void of what is happening to the Wii U now? They too will be expensive (much more so in fact) and suffer from a lack of games for the first year or two. When it doesn’t sell so well after the opening week, the price will inevitably go down a little to coincide with blockbuster releases in order to generate sales. How will this differ from the Wii U? Why can’t you see these are necessary early phases in eventual growth for any console in this age where every single one is a hefty investment for the average consumer? 😛 TaintedXGamer Nintend ain’t doing no dreamcast,FOOL! They survived with the Wii, they can Do it again With the Wii U! THIS IS NINTENDO! Petri They should just keep doing what they are doing right now. Hardware gap between consoles will only get smaller, and on next generation, we might not even see any graphical or performance difference. They should stick with the controller set ups they currently have, while improving them and making/keeping them affordable. Wiimote even with motion plus is not as accurate as I would hope, they could improve that. springer85 LOL at the Slurpers trying to compare the 3DS to the Wii U!! The 3DS was a handheld and when its big 3 games Mario, Mario kart and Monster Hunter arrived the Vita was still not released!!! This Xmas the Wii U will have to go against 2 next gen consoles, I mean to release Mario 3ds rehash for the Wii U on the same day the Xbone One is launched is laughable!!! springer85 Nintendo need to ditch the Gamepad as that has been an epic flop!!Their are ZERO games from Nintendo that utilise the Gamepad and show off how good it can be, and then you Slurpers wonder why 3rd party have still not figured it out and are not making any games for it? Sony and Microsoft have kept the same controller with minor tweaks for 3 generations and have done fine with consumers!! I remember Iwata bragging that just HD would not be enough for the Wii U…..so they release the Gamepad which has been nothing more than a gimmick then for nearly a year do not release any first party games that totally show it off!! The only thing the Wii U is really good for is that you can still play the same game you were playing on tv when it is switched off. Nintendo saying the Gamepad adds all this better gaming experiance is utter crap as you get more with the Original Wii controllers. Also Nintendo said the launch price was so high due to the price of the Gamepad…..then in over 10 months make NO games that show it off!!! They should ditch the Gamepad, make a new Wii controller with better features and response and bundle it at $200!! Agent721 What, no lol this time???!!!! Joey LOL, Gamepad is awesome i got some great games that uses it, i love my Wii U no matter what you say, i have a PS3 also but i liked my Wii U alot better. Not getting a PS4 it’s gonna be a slow start cause there is no games i like for it yet. Don’t get me wrong i like my PS3 for mostly racing games and some platform games. springer85 2 screen gaming for a handheld….Genius move……2nd screen gaming for a home console…EPIC flop!!! The Wii U main feature is it’s downfall, it was why it launched so high as Nintendo bragged that it adds all this awesome new gameplay!!LOL If Nintendo can still not figure out how to make a game that truly shows off the Gamepad in nearly a year then what was the point in releasing it? In nearly a year second screen home console has still not taken off, yes the big AAA games are coming but you can still play all of them on the Wii controller with the Gamepad only adding the second screen. Fact is second screen gaming on a home console was a lame idea, plus there are still ZERO games that let you use 2 Gamepads….with you Slurpers bragging well no 3rd party has tried yet!!LOL. Nintendo’s first 2 AAA games should have been for the Gamepad and how you can use more than one for games,just like Wii Sports was designed for the Wii controller and shown you all the different ways to use it and how to play different sports games with it. They thought word of mouth would sell the console!! LMFAO Kriffix You have a lot of spare time lol Just so you know, nobody really gets riled up by comments like yours like you’re hoping. You’ve all been proved wrong too many times for the majority to care. It’s quite amusing though, so by all means keep it up. I get the impression you’re trying to fill in an empty void in your life. You probably don’t have a job or live in your mothers basement. That’s how it comes across in the way you write and what you’re trying to achieve here. Why not go outside and try to achieve something with your life? As it is, everyone can read you like a book. It’s really pitiful. springer85 LMFAO!!!erm yes they DO!!!You Nintendo Slurpers still cannot handle the fact that the Gimmick U is dead and has been since last November!! You all cry when someone tells you the truth about the Gimmick U that lots of other gaming sites report on!! You stupidly think that the big AAA games are gonna revive it,when Pikmin 3 was supposed to be a system seller and that was an epic flop as was Wonderful 101!! You have been ripped off…now go and cry!! Kriffix hehe, you’re really desperate lol. Here’s some charity then: I’m gonna go and cry now. It’s just as you say in your multiple comments all saying the same baseless rubbish! boohoo! Keep the change. springer85 LMFAO….No your beloved Nintendo is very desperate!!! They are bricking it as each new game they are bringing out FLOPS!!! They are releasing 3ds Mario rehash for the Gimmick U on the same day Xbone One launches!!! EPIC DESPERATION that will fail big time!! TaintedXGamer I will leave this here, coz i think this was pretty much AIMED toward you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI0RoJz7Tno springer85 LMFAO!!!!awww just as your Gimmick U is DEAD!!! This is AIMED at you….The Wii U will NEVER recover and when the next gen arrive it will get blown out of the water and Nintendo will discontinue it!! BWAHAHAHAHAH Kriffix lol Agent721 You’re quite entertaining, I must say… kind of like some drunk schlub at a bar, who won’t leave, especially with the LOLs LMFAOs, etc… in every single post!! You sound deranged, in a very entertainig way! TaintedXGamer As Duke nuken would say: ” BLOW IT OUT OF UR ARSE!” Andrew W Garttmeyer What a d-bag. TaintedXGamer Techcrunch Can shove it where the Sun doesn’t Shine! the last i want is nintendo to end up like sega, I cannot see their games being made on Foreign Game consoles like PS and Xbox When Nintendo Was the One that Started the Game console Gaming! Seriously, Tech-faggotry-crunch, Fuck YOU! springer85 Wii U ….a huge flop………….system sellers Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101 Epic flop and were NOT system sellers!! 101 ONLY sold 5k in Japan!! LOL SleepySkullhead Isn’t it normal for a console, home or handheld, to start slow? If I remember correctly, the PS3 had a slow start as well, but is widely popular now. springer85 PS3 launched at $600 6 years ago!!!!!!! Stop trying the PS3 launch cack v the Wii U. The Wii U launched for $250 CHEAPER and still FAILED!! LOL Magnus Eriksson ^ This. Also the most expensive version of Wii U sold, the cheaper one didnt. SleepySkullhead Right, 6 years ago and has lasted really well, especially since it was 600 at first. The WiiU is a great system, and will definitely pick back up. The PS3 is a great example for that situation. David John Gifford nintendo design there consoles for there first party games this why we buy nintendo consoles but its not hard for third partys to say hey nintendo could you show us how easy it is to use the wii u John Andalora For those of you stating “Well, the Xbox 360/ PS3 had a slow start too, but they’re popular now,” consider this: By June 30th 2006, the Xbox 360 sold 5 million consoles. On June 30th 2007 the PS3 sold 4.23 million. For each of them, this is a full 6 months after their original release. The Wii U so far has sold 3.6 million as of June 30th. That may not sound like much, but considering higher prices and “lack of innovation,” that’s not very good. And it’s only going to get worse if September Quarterly reviews come in and sell less than 2 million (since next quarter is 5.9 and 5.6 respectively for each console), and that doesn’t look good, considering that last quarter sales for Wii U were 160,000. I’m not trying to insult the Wii U or say it’s a bad console, but the fact that sales are this low should be a bit more of a concern to people than a waft away by comparing the competition, and I think people should understand why the articles keep saying Wii U sales are bad. http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Xbox_360 http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/PlayStation_3 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U http://www.polygon.com/2013/7/31/4574174/nintendo-posts-quarterly-profit-despite-terrible-wii-u-sales Kriffix It’s becoming harder and harder to tell the difference between those trying to teach us facts and people who are just plain trolls. You needn’t look far on this site to see a couple of individuals trolling away, trying desperately and in vain to ruin things for everyone else. You are clearly not a troll. You’re stating things aren’t looking so good, which is fair enough. Though after a year or so there will be more games and more incentive for sales to pick up, so I for one am not too concerned. John Andalora I’m hoping so. I just want to make sure people know that there are some concerns with this console, and that these folks publishing these articles aren’t just hating on the Wii U to hate on Nintendo. knowledgeiswhatsup They’re incorrect I love my wiiu it is boss. fireheartis1 Screw these guys I don’t even know who they are. That might just be ignorance on my part, but the Wii U is an amazing console for 1st party and 3rd party games. Splinter Cell: Blacklist has proven that fact. Once more 1st party games come out and it’s sells begin to pick up people wont be trying to wright off the Wii U anymore. They say it’s a poor concept, are they serious? The Wii U is an amazing concept that just needs to be proven. If more developers would actually try on the system the concept would be proven without a doubt. Aamir Islam Hey Daniel! I’m going to say “I told you so” when the Wii U sells good this holiday with the price decrease and first party releases Teplán Csaba Wii U is awesome, but it is a failuer too. Nintendo made a lot of mistake. The problem is that they didn’t learn from these mistakes. Wii U is running out of time, we don’t have next gen games, we don’t have enough online support or DLC or just a patch. In Europe we don’t have TViii after one year ! It’s rly bad, and all of these things are the responsibility of Nintendo. Adam Fox HA! Two posts under this is saying GameStop Limited Edition of Wind Waker HD is sold out and this one says Wii U is a failure…..Wii U is still going thru its ‘1st year software issues’…..now that the price is $299, i’m sure its going to sell more…not to mention the Wind Waker HD being out in October….not to mention Sonic Lost World, Super Mario 3D World, Bayonetta 2, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze all being Wii U exclusives (Sonic also being on 3DS) coming out by end of year…not to mention AAA titles like Call of Duty, Assassins Creed Black Flag, Batman: Arkham Origins & Watch Dogs all being on Wii U by end of this year…..not to mention Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros coming on Wii U next year…. Truthteller You sound like a worker writing an ad instead of voicing his opinion… Petri Did you know that tinfoil hat actually boosts signals, rather than blocks them? cs_shane Yes, a GAME that sold out dictates the console is a success. Pathetic. You do realize that most game sales usually come from people who actually OWN the console in question? Daniel Gonzalez I sense a lot of bias in this post. derty Just wait man. The system is about to blow up big time 😉 TrueWiiMaster It’s easy to say a console will never amount to anything when it hasn’t gotten any big games. As I’ve said many times now, wait until the big games come out, and if sales don’t improve, then call it what you want. Until then, it’s a work in progress. Besides, if they’re so dead set on calling a system a failure, there’s another system far more deserving. It’s been out more than twice as long as the Wii U, has had many major games released, and still doesn’t have twice the sales of the Wii U. I’m not naming any names, but that system clearly deserves their special brand of attention more than the Wii U. John Andalora I know exactly what you’re talking about. It did have that attention for a while. Then people stopped paying attention to it, pretty much thinking “Well, if they’re going to do that, may as well let them.” People just kind of write it off in silence and forget about it. Besides, I actually like that. I think it’s fun. I’ve definitely played it more times than the Wii U. I know my opinion isn’t the majority opinion, but that’s just what I think. And the new game coming out on the 10th should be interesting. ican1992 LOL everytime i read the comments section on this website there is an argument going on. I love the internet lmao! Agent721 Passion runs high! You’re totally right though! Will (ishigum) And when the money starts pouring in within the next 2 years I’m going to go back to that article and laugh. Nintendo4life Wow now i have GregoryRasputin stalking me ..What a loser and he calls me a fanboy..That is laughable a fanboy is stuck to one console and i own all the consoles except Vita and so GregoryRasputin Sit and spin dude you suck as a human being Carol Lepoudre angers me to read something as untrue as techcrunch states…tech crunch sounds like a snack food HypocritesRROD This so-called “author” of that article is a “Michael Pachter-wannabe”. If Microsoft is smart, they should write off xbox one as a failure and get out of the console industry. Don Matrick quits.Steve Ballmer takes over. Then after a few months, he annouced he will leave too. Nobody has faith in that xbox done. Nintendo-Haters are the disease of the videogame industry. They are the cancer will gradually kill the videogame industry. oontz “Nintendo-Haters are the disease of the videogame industry.” ALL Haters are the disease… and YOU are one of them. You think just because you hate xbox and not nintendo that you are somehow special? You’re still a hater and do nothing but make real game fans look childish and immature. Real Gamers do not care what system they game on. That’s like a movie buff only watching movies from a specific movie company. Do you realize how stupid it makes you look? HypocritesRROD Wow, did i struck a nerve somewhere in there, troll? I somehow exposed an XBOT here. You are a disease and a cancer. That says a lot about you. Don’t pretend that you are neutral and unbiased. Yeah, i’ve seen your comment thread. You are a hypocrite. Just a reminder, You do know that you are in a Wii U-centric site, don’t you? So you should have been expecting that peoples opinion here are naturally sympathetic towards Nintendo. And yet, you are acting surprised about bias here. You are acting as if you are exposing somebody here, but you’re only exposing yourself. Just in case you don’t know the meaning of the word hypocrite, look in the dictionary. Then look at yourself in the mirror. oontz Way to contradict your own original comment, idiot. Yeah I must be a hypocrite… one that buys games and systems regardless of the manufacturer. Seeing as I support all systems how am I a disease and cancer for the game industry. I have also been working in the industry for many, many years. I am aware I am on a wiiu site, I own a wiiu and that’s why I post here. Doesn’t give any fanboy the right to rip other gamers because they chose a different system then you. YOU ARE THE CANCER and YOU FAIL AGAIN! HypocritesRROD Yeah, shut up, XBOT! I guess that nerve that i struck is really hurting now. You’ve been working in the industry and you have a wiiu. So you’re claiming to have credibility to talk about stuff? You don’t have credibility. You’re still a fanboy just like all of us here. Your only difference is, you are flip-flopping. You don’t know where loyalty lies. You are suffering from identity crisis. HYPOCRITE. You are a troll. You are a disease. You are a cancer. oontz Loyalty to materialistic goods? A piece of plastic that plays games? You’re talking about being loyal to that? HA HA HA you’re seriously that immature that you think people should be loyal to a specific brand? So I assume, you wear one brand of shoes… one brand of clothes… eat one brand of food… watch one brand of movie… Do you have severe brain damage? You sound like a complete and utter moron. You can keep your brand loyalty… I and millions of others enjoy the freedom of choice and the opportunity to enjoy more than just one type of product. And you call me a fanboy that is flip flopping?? I am a fan of Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft systems and games… I am also a fan of games and developers that don’t release on the big three home systems. I am also a mobile gamer and enjoy games on those platforms as well. I am a fanboy of VIDEOGAMES with no attached prefix. You have a single minded point of view and hate on others for liking something different than you… but you have the nerve to call me a cancer? You sir are a complete idiot. HypocritesRROD Wow! Now you are assuming things. You know what you are? You are DELUSIONAL. You are suffering from psychotic break. I have a freedom to choose. I chose Nintendo. You’re just so much of a pussy to choose a side. You are playing-safe. So that if the other comes on top, you go to that side. When that side falls, you switch to the other. Like i said, you are flip-flopping and suffering from identity crisis. You are delusional. You are a disease and a cancer. And a hypocrite. oontz Ha ha ha… okay then. I’m a pussy because I play games regardless of developer, system or manufacturer? Yeah that makes about as much sense as your verbal diarrhea you keep spilling onto your keyboard. Is someone sad because mommy can only afford to buy them one system to play games? Get a life… losers like you give the entire game industry a bad name. Hey Darwin called he has this great list for 2013 he’d like to put you on. He think you’d be a perfect fit. HypocritesRROD Now you’re discriminating against poor people. Wow, you just keep exposing yourself. Go on. Hey, hypocrite. I can afford to buy all three platforms. I just chose Nintendo. That’s called having a FREEDOM OF CHOICE. Which you claim that you have and i don’t. But, it just goes to show how DELUSIONAL you are. You are getting very emotional that you don’t understanding what you are reading anymore. Read my comments multiple times. Maybe you can comprehend a little better. Just maybe. Because your mind is manifesting things. You are a disease. You should check yourself in an institution. oontz “Hey, hypocrite. I can afford to buy all three platforms. I just chose Nintendo. That’s called having a FREEDOM OF CHOICE.” And what gives you the right to tell other people they also don’t have a freedom of choice? You bash and flame people for liking xbox, but that’s their choice to support it if they choose. Just like you choose to support Nintendo, right? So you’re allowed that freedom and no one else is? Yet you call me a hypocrite? HA HA HA So it’s okay for you but not other people? That is the EXACT definition of a hypocrite. YOU FAIL so much at life it’s not even funny. At least try and bring an ounce of intelligence with you when you speak. You wouldn’t come off at such a douche bag. Jeffrey Debris I tried reading the article on TechCrunch, but, but, but I was annoyed quickly by the writing style. Which seemed to me like it was just a nerd ranting on and on about how his opinion is truth… Dave Lets face it exclusives is what sells hardware and so far Nintendo has not given me a reason to purchase a Wii U. I am really trying to convince myself of the purchase but so far the only exclusives I would like are Zombie U and Pikmin3. In an effort to beat others to market they failed to provide owners with a steady flow of releases. Lastly it would not hurt develop some titles that may cater to a different demographic for example teens and young adults. Reggie Fils-aime may have struck a home run with the Wii but he has seriously blundered the release of the Wii U. RetroSquid It took the PS3 an 35 weeks to meet the sales milestone of a million units sold. The WiiU reached that in 32 weeks, if memory serves? Or something along those lines, anyway… So, was the PS3 a failure, too? I’ve never owned a Play Station console, so have no basis for comparison, but I imagine the WiiU to be significantly more entertaining?! raiden777 TechCrunch? Who gives two shits. All these articles are, are click bate, just sheer and utter click bate, to give this website better ratings. Wii U Daily aren’t true gamers, the staff are all money worshiping casual gamers . it is a constant delivery of negative news articles that the Wii u daily staff fishes for in Google browser. Its bad journalism, and the idiots at Wii U Daily only care about how many hits s page gets, not about the love of the game. Phillip Fauble Stop posting this shit. This may be the article that makes me leave this site. The reason these people keep saying this crap is because sites like this keep advertising it for them. This is not news, its fanboys proving points that don’t exist. Kevin Schaffner ThAts like saying when a football team halfway through the first quarter down by 14 should give up. When the wii u starts getting more games it will be fine. David Horowitz The slander and dissing of the Wii U is inevitable, just like anything Nintendo has ever done and ever will do. Although it’s painful, people being jerks about the Wii U is just a harsh fact that we’ll have to face. What actually matters is the people actually supporting the Wii U, and I know that there are enough of them for the Wii U to make it. Philippe Corthout Wii U is great but awesome? Not yet. Maybe it will become an awesome machine, but right now the lack of great games can’t be denied. Sure there are some great games. But still no games that will lift the Wii U to the next level. That said, I’m enjoying Rayman Legends and Pikmin 3. Really like these games, but still, nothing that can’t be done on the other systems. Nintendo, bring a story about a new Metroid, the new Zelda (and no HD rework),… and things could go better. The lost of a lot of 3th parties is not a good thing. Still a lot of work needs to be done. 3DS had a slow start but can’t be compared to the Wii U. leafsfan73 Obviously, Techcrunch isn’t Businesscrunch. You don’t just walk away from such a large investment and they don’t have anything to replace it with yet anyways. We’ll see a new machine in 4 years. Until then, Nintendo will do their best (hopefully) to support the Wii U, even if it is by themselves. Hopefully next time they’ll consult Third parties when designing the console. We all know Nintendo’s belief that it’s not the hardware/graphics that sells games, unfortunately, third parties don’t share that view. On a side note, the posting of this article by Ms. King by some meaningless Tech site is a blatant “troll” for hits, and the subsequent comment wars to follow. Hey, she hooked me. Damn you Ms. King…. damn you. manowaffles Another Doom & Gloom Nintendo Article. I’ve been reading these since the N64 days. If Nintendo gave up just because of some loudmouth with an article, they would have abandoned the NES (News Flash: after the Crash of ’83, the collective opinion was that Video Games were a bad investment that had reached the relevance level of the 8-track.) Bet against Nintendo at your own peril. jake Maybe nintendo took a new path for the future of Nintendo, Maybe they dont want these third parties afterall…….Reggie has something up his sleeve…Like offering 10,000 Jobs to american citizens that need the jobs. Nintendo will be an almost first party console only. IF NOTHING ELSE…….LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WAIT 10 YEARS AND YOU GOT YOURSELF A 10,000$ RARE CONSOLE. Crowner Pele Forget this guy. the key word here is time. with all the time in the world so freak what this guy says and give the u its do time. jlenoconel TechCrunch should go f@c* themselves. Jacob D. Taylor Alot of comments here and I admit I haven’t read them all but for anyone to get this one I have to say that Nintendo has been VERY good to us as developers. Although the FLOOD of new indie developers has made communication slow their policies in regards to catering to the needs of 3rd party developers is unparalleled. Everything you need is delivered hand to mouth as they say. Matski Jeez, should we be worried? I have to say personally I have been turned off from Gaming in general for the last 4 years (I haven’t played on a single console honestly), the Wii-U has single handedly re-ignited my love of gaming, I love everything about it especially the controller which I think is ahead of its time (notice how the other consoles are scrambling to integrate tablets with their consoles). It’s difficult to know whether my love of this console clouds my judgement over whether it really is failing badly and could just get scrapped altogether or if these bloggers and Playstation fanboys are just trolling. Guest That’s not why. The reason is because the game lineup sucks and doesn’t look promising, except for Zelda U. I know someone is going to come by with a list of the new games to be released, but those games are nothing new. Nintendo needs to redefine their series or invest in new ones all together. You can only keep selling the same product for so long.