Super Meat Boy was one of the biggest indie games of 2010 and since its release, fans have been drawing and imagining the character in a Smash Bros. game. Creators Edmund McMillen and Tommy Refenes–collectively known as Team Meat–have said they’re okay with this. In a recent interview with Eurogamer about future projects, the duo said they’d definitely work with Nintendo again if Nintendo could guarantee their lovable meat bag a spot in the new Smash Bros. roster. McMillen: “I want Meat Boy to be in Smash Bros. That would be the one reason I’d really want to develop for a Nintendo console.” Refenes: “That would be amazing! If they could guarantee us Meat Boy would be in Smash Bros., we would do something.” McMillen: “Nintendo are you listening? Smash Bros! We would ask for nothing in return. Just f***ing use the character. Put him in the game. It’s free!” Refenes: “If they wanted Mew-Genics or something and they could promise us Meat Boy would be in the game we’d develop Mew-Genics for them. Not exclusively, of course. This is how they would buy it from us. And that’s a very cheap price.” Super Meat Boy was originally planned to be a WiiWare title, but due to strict file sizes for WiiWare titles, it had to be scrapped. It’s nice to see Team Meat still willing to work with Nintendo, even if it’s at such an oddball request. What do you think? Would you play Meat Boy if he were made available in the newest Smash Bros.? [via eurogamer.net] local_offer Nintendo Smash Bros Super Meat Boy Team Meat wii u stars Further Reading A photo of Nintendo’s first office in 1 Super Meat Boy Switch gameplay footage AZHood I can buy Meat Boy being small, sliding and bouncing all over the place, but he needs to have unique attacks to shine. Nathaniel Lopez They could always create new moves for him, for example with Mario in SSBM he used his cape to deflect projectiles and bounce attacks the other way, even though you couldn’t do that in SMW. AZHood Difference is Mario had the cape in previous games, as well as other items that could be utilized for his moveset. Aside from typical punches and kicks, what else could be added for Meat Boy? Maybe something with bandages, but that’s it. He has no special ability, whereas characters like Commander Video and Josef have unique traits which can be incorperated into various attacks and moves. Christian Pena All of Captain Falcon moves are made up. They could just make something up for him aswell. AZHood While that is true, Captain Falcon has at least shown fighting before SSB (the F-Zero comic in the game manual comes to mind). I’m not saying the same can’t be done for Meat Boy. I just don’t see at the moment what moves will fit Meat Boy while still making him unique from other fighters. Christian Pena True, but the Ice Climbers are kind of the same. They can always just add something to make them unique. I will agree I’m not sure what moves he’ll have but that’s what I like about new characters. I like being surprise by what they do. It’s probably why I liked Pit and the Ice climbers so much. There tons of character that have moves made up for the game. I don’t see why they couldn’t make something up. Heck even R.O.B the robot who wasn’t a real character and was more of a toy is a character. Even though I doubt he will make it in. I have nothing against Nintendo putting Meat Boy. DK_Hadouken Do it. Do it. HSN1 Good for them if they manage to get him into SSB. But something tells me they just want advertisement, especially if they “blackmail” Nintendo about not developing on their console if they don’t include him. Alec Rowson Well they’ve tried… Super Meat Boy was originally a WiiWare exclusive, but it just kept never coming out and then it launched elsewhere. IIRC I think it was that the game became too big for Nintendo’s size limits for Wii downloadable games, which we all know was a stupid limit. Then they tried to put The Binding of Isaac on 3DS eShop but Nintendo wouldn’t let them because they said the content was too controversial. Gamefreak361 I’ll say this though and I may get hit with criticism, but Nintendo can be a bunch of wusses sometimes.I don’t think Nintendo would looked down upon if they allowed let alone violent or possible controversial games on their console or eShop. Maybe the parents, but really, I think people get offended over the littlest things. My opinion, Nintendo needs to learn to branch out to other age groups rather than rated E family type games. It wouldn’t hurt their rep. ElladanCZ I completely agree with you. I thin mature and controversial game belong to nintendo consoles as much as to other consoles. It is ok that nintendo exclusives mostly target the whole family, but I think thez should not limit third party when it comes to content (unless the content breaks any existing law). Graham Gillman Maybe as a trophy assist, but not a full on character. Christian Pena I wouln’t have a problem with that. dylanbob121 I would Genesect4ssb4 No. Keep him out. There are better reps. Srpg2ishere We know that. But there may be a chance that if he’s in it these people will develop stuff for Nintendo. We need all the characters we can get!! Nathaniel Lopez Well, I agree we do need characters but I was thinking more along the lines of them being within the Nintendo Universe, personally I don’t want even a quarter of the roster to be non-Nintendo characters but that’s just me. Christian Pena I agree, but considering how many character from Nintendo are, and the fact that’ll add more since its been confirm by Sakurai. They would have to add over 30 characters from other company to match how many they had, which I seriously doubt. My guest there probably would be 5 at max. Sonic and Snake probably being included out of those 5. Nathaniel Lopez I was exaggerating a bit on the “quarter” part I just don’t want them to go overboard with having to add non-Nintendo characters is all, but you got what I meant. I sort of doubt that snake and sonic will make a reappearance though. I think it was a one-time thing a la Link in Soul Caliber. Christian Pena True. I’m pretty sure Nintendo won’t go overboard though they always put gameplay first. I do hope we a few third party. P.s Hopefully they’ll keep sonic and snake in. HurpDurpDerp “We need all the characters we can get!!” no, then the game will become an unbalanced clusterfuck. they focus on quality not quantity Revolution5268 no just no. this defeats the purpose of smash bros. snake to me feel it should not be there due to not supporting the wii. sonic yes. but this fool is much worse than snake. Genesect4ssb4 Um No. I’d rather have Ridley, Roy, Mewtwo, Genesect and Palutena than some obscure piece of steak that is unwanted, unrequested, and has low chances, considering there was no representation on the Wii or 3DS TrueWiiMaster There are dozens of characters more deserving and more appropriate than Meat Boy. Goginho lol ..what are “we”, desperate?! Nintendo is rich with characters, and this Meat Boy is not even needed. Srpg2ishere Well honestly we don’t need the meat guy. Nintendo already has tons of awesome characters to put in and putting all these extra third party characters in the game will ruin the purpose of smash bros. I want smash bros to stay the way It is. With the iconic nintendo characters. Christian Pena Change can be good. Look at first person shooters, everyone’s trying to copy call of duty and now we have a huge overload of first person shooters that no one really wants and it starting to hurt games that have established themselves by that genre cause now they don’t really stand out as much. Genesect4ssb4 I second that! Now im gonna enjoy my candy (snickers xD, getit?) BL4CKSH33P Adding new Characters to smashbros doesnt mean it will change it from being about icons. Nintendo has always been about 1st party games but as it gets more third party support the more third party icons there will be. Also I can bet Lloyd will be in the game because namco bandai is helping with its development. Lloyd IS an Icon. Brony with Sunglasses f smash was all about reps, why were sonic and snake in brawl? why was ROB a character if he was a peripheral? why did dedede get put into the game if the focus of kirby is far from him? so much to break your logic. Genesect4ssb4 Snake-Kojima asked Sakurai to put him in Sonic-SHEER POPULARITY. Probably the most popular and requested character During Pre-Brawl. King Dedede-High requests, popular, relevat, sakurai made him Same as Meta Knight. R.O.B a nintendo relic, that saved the gaming industry. Nathaniel Lopez I’ve never played Super Meat Boy before so I don’t know much about him or his game, other than it was a platformer, I think. Anyways, I like the idea of wanting to include him in the game and I guess I can technically see how they can implement him but the blackmailing tone of the interview just seems sketchy”…we’ll develop games for the Wii U only if the character appears in SSB and the use of the character being totally free (paraphrashed)” and with the creators asking nothing in return. I wouldn’t blame Nintendo for being hesitant on that deal as well; I think anyone would. Christian Pena The character is free, and they would gurantee to support the Wii U. To me that really doesn’t sound like blackmail. TrueWiiMaster Meat Boy is a random indie character who not only wasn’t on any Nintendo system, but was promised to the Wii only for the developers to change their mind later. Let him be in a Microsoft SSB rip-off, if such a thing ever happens. Christian Pena Actually he didn’t made in wiiware due to size limitations. TrueWiiMaster Size limitations they knew about well before they began development, and chose to ignore even after promising they would develop the game for WiiWare. Nintendofreak well who d hell is meat boy? Christian Pena Meat Boy is from Super Meat Boy, It was an indie game so I’m not suprise you haven’t heard of him. Gamefreak361 Which is why he wouldn’t be a good fit. He’s not that well known to Nintendo gamers. So it wouldn’t really make sense to add him in. Maybe in the future when indie games have more exposure to the whole gaming market. Brony with Sunglasses >”He’s not that well known to Nintendo gamers” >almost launched on a nintendo platform Gamefreak361 What’s your point? Revolution5268 hell no of all characters meat boy is the worst. they did not put this game on neither wiiware or eshop. this more like blackmail rather than request. Nintedward I know , their attitude stinks aswell. Sakurai would laugh and tell them to go $%^ themselves…. Revolution5268 and plus what makes people this game is coming to nintendo console? remember metal gear wii? Nintedward was there supposed to be a MGS wii game ? damn…. Loved twin snakes for Gamecube! Anyway , Team meats ego is way too big for them. They’re not even 1% the company that Nintendo is , lol. Christian Pena Actually, There not even a company. There jus indie developers so ofcourse there small. I would like too see meat boy in the game plus getting games from Mcmillen would be awesome bonus. Sonic Uhhh… they didn’t put it on wiiware because they COULDN’T. The Wii couldn’t handle it. Revolution5268 if they really want to support Nintendo they should have put it on Wii U e shop day 1 period, just port it that’s it. But no they choose to ignored e shop like its not a big deal and its not even a Nintendo character, what makes you think sakurai will listen to an American developer? Sonic Did you even read the comment? I just said they couldn’t put it on wiiware. Guest LOL this is fucking stupid Nathaniel Lopez I laughed when I saw your post but in all seriousness this is sort of important. It could very well mean that Nintendo is indeed adding non-Nintendo characters again or it could just mean nothing. Nintenjoe82 Yeah but it would be an absolute waste to put a really mundane platform character in. Guest Yeah, just like someone the other people on here, there are other gaming legends that deserve it more. Nintenjoe82 I really do not think Super Meat Boy has earned the right to be thought of as highly as Solid Snake and Sonic. There are so many gaming legends out there that deserve it more. I want the Super Ghouls and Ghosts guy, Superfrog and Siegfried from Soul Calibur included in the next one HurpDurpDerp don’t worry, nintendo would never do something that stupid FabulousKing Sonic a gaming legend? His games are copies of everything (Dragon Ball, Mario, Mega Man, The Legend of Zelda and many other things). Maybe we’ll see charcters from Xenoblade Chronicles just because a lot of people loved the game. Nintendofreak holy damn with the real monado holy shit dat would be great TrueWiiMaster Sonic’s a legend for being the face of SEGA more than for revolutionizing the industry. Genesect4ssb4 No. Nightmare, Kilik, or Taki please. Christian Pena That’s a very unfair comparison. All of those Character are decades old while meat boy is just 5 years old / 3 if you only count when he got to a console, and only had one game. Plus he was only made by pretty much one person. I’m sure if your a Nintendo fan you’ll love his games. They are kind of inspired by Nintendo games. They are very hard but extremly fun. Nintenjoe82 I’m not trying to disrespect their game. I do like the fact that people still want to make hard platform games and I don’t think they were trying to blackmail Nintendo, but Meat Boy being new is precisely why I don’t want him in it! Christian Pena Alright. You have to admit that isn’t a very good reason for not wanting something in though. I’m thinking this more from the point of view of indie developers. It would be inspiring if Meat Boy made it in precisely for the reason that he has little chance of making it in. Even though the developer isn’t asking for compensation for his character. Think about it pretty much a few people made this game. If Meat Boy made it in, it would probably inspired other indie developers to try harder be more creative and do their own thing. Then, maybe, just maybe, someday they’ll make it with giants such as Mario, Zelda, Solid Snake. That’s the main reason I want him in. Nintenjoe82 I think a better game could be made by indie developers using the indie characters that made it into relatively big stars in their own unique beat em up. I take your point that it would be good for Nintendo to include characters from lesser known developers. There are some that have supported Nintendo better though so I’d rather see Commander Video or the Goo from World of Goo than Meat Boy. Guest Agree. Guest That would be great. Yeah, Commander Video would make a lot more sense. Hopefully they’ll show some support to of their indie developer. But if they don’t it’s fine the game will be great and I trust Nintendo will produce something amazing. I guest will just have to wait it see. I can’t wait! Christian Pena It would be awesome if they manage something like that. Yeah, Commander or the Goo would make a lot more sense and I would prefer them. They also would probably fit in better. Hopefully we’ll have one indie character but if we don’t that’s fine. I’m sure nintendo will make a amazing game we’ll all love. I can’t wait to play it! Maybe we’ll see some gameplay at e3. Gamefreak361 Very touching, but let’s face it. He isn’t going in, least not anytme soon. I never played the game myself, but it’s too soon like Nintenjoe82 said and I agree. There’s other video game icons that are more deserving. Like Mega Man or Simon Belmont. Perhaps even one of the Final Fantasy protagonists would be an interesting pick. Nintedward No. Just no. Who do these guys think they are ? You can’t talk about NIntendo or Smash bros in such a way. NIntendo’s franchises make Super meat boy irrelivant. The only way this would even be considered is if they made a load of successfull games for Nintendo first , not the other way round. Gregory Edcius thats exactly what i wanted to say to appear in smash you should atleast have an established name and games on nintendo consoles Steve Seriously, who the heck is meat boy? Gregory Edcius a no name who’s hoping to get a shot with the big boys :p Zzyzx I think the real issue is there’s absolutely no move set. Meat boy just jumps, and wall jumps, and jumps. That’s it. How do you put him in a fighter? There’s way more deserving 3rd party characters. Namely Mega Man. Or maybe one of the Belmonts Gregory Edcius no thats not the problem if they wanted him they would come up with something. they just don’t deserve it Ioannis Papazis Nintendo missed out on every MGS game, MGS1 and after (Excluding the GCN remake), yet Snake still got a place on the roster on SSBB. Gregory Edcius FYI the first two metal gear games appeared on msx ans NES i played it was difficult for that time had to stay in cover the whole time Simeon Prince very true, you know your gaming history. these young dudes nowadays don’t know where it all started. Final Fantasy, Megaman, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Metalgear, Contra, Metroid, Castlevania, Zelda, Mario, Ninja Turtles, PacMan – every legendary game has roots in Nintendo Gregory Edcius so true when i read stuff like this i know i’m dealing with a teenager Ioannis Papazis I said MGS (Metal Gear Solid) for a reason, those are Metal Gear games; and I highly doubt those games are what won him over to Smash. Grammar Nazi 2000 Final Fantasy: yes Mega Man: yes Street Fighter: no Mortal Kombat: no (ported) Metal Gear: no (ported) Contra: no (ported, but the NES version had the Konami Code so who cares?) Metroid: Obviously Castlevania: Yes Zelda: obviously Mario: obviously Ninja turtles: I think so… Pac-Man: no (ported) Ioannis Papazis Yeah, I know 🙂 Hence why I said MGS not Metal Gear. But yeah, they’re difficult as hell. Gregory Edcius the thing is those metal gears plus the twin snakes remake justify the appearance of snake in smash whereas meat boy never appeared on anything Ioannis Papazis Yeah you may have a point and rereading the quote makes Team Meat seem very arrogant. Like it’s a privilege to have their game. I do personally feel like the Metal Gear games leaving Nintendo is more of a stab in the back; but at the same time it did have it’s roots there so yeah. I’m stuck on the fence on this one. RoadyMike Only because Sakurai wanted him in.How he actually got in is beyond me… guest meatboy ftw! SeroReviews Okay, who’s meat boy? LOL, no, thanks MetroidZero Lol, exactly my response and thoughts. Donaalld Addressing Nintendo with “f***ing” reveals their intentions. This is obviously blackmail. And then to act like they are doing Nintendo this HUGE favor…. Team Meat do not deserve to eat at Sakurai’s table. Andrew Chambers That’s just their personality They don’t mean it disrespectfully. These guys treat interviewers like friends, so they will talk like this sometimes. If you care to, you can watch Indie Game: the Movie. They’re in it. I’m not seeing it as blackmail. Maybe I missed something? Donaalld So their word choice was not meant as disrespect? Interesting. Still, I think there is a mismatch between Meat Boy and the overall Nintendo Universe. Meat Boy aside, who else do YOU think actually DESERVES to make an appearance in Smash Bros? KingLorik Boo, goomba, koopa, and Waluigi! Lindsay Soall narr i prefer more character outside Marios universe i dont wont it to be like mariokart zerooooo those characters sound stupid besides waluigi Christian Pena Megaman or Simon Belmont are the only other character I would want. ABEzilla116 Simon Belmont, was overdue. However If it ever happens I pray we get pre lords of shadow belmont. Martin Kearney If they can get Arther from Ghosts N Goblins in Marvel vs. Capcom 3, why not Simon Belmont in Super Smash Bros. 4? Weraru Yeah. Reading this article, something didn’t seem right because Meat Boy doesn’t doesn’t “deserve” to be in SSB Mauricio Guaura Classic Simon Belmont. Not Simon’s shitty design from Mirror of Fate. Less hobo, more barbaric stripper. dylanbob121 Dillon from dillons rolling western! Robknoxious1 In honor of Nintendo owned Monolith Sotware’s Xenoblade I would say either Riki, Shulk, Reyn or Fiora. Evang3los I would like Lloyd Irving from tales of symphonies. Levi Johansen Megaman obviously, Other than that: Rayman, bomberman, banjo-kazooie, the remaining donkey kong family and king k-rool, more sonic characters and more star fox characters and some more pokemons RoadyMike No on the Sonic characters I know its just your opinion and I apologise if I sound harsh,but please,NO MORE SONIC CHARACTERS! I’d rather have them as assist trophies or not there at all… I’m all for those other characters though Nathan DeFalco Little Mac. I mean, sheesh. He’s a fighter and a first party character that has had a game on almost every console. He would be my character of choice to play just like Link was in the original smash, Game & Watch in Melee, and ROB in Brawl. Cole Holbrook Every time I hear a rumor there are a lot of different names thrown around but Little Mac seems to be in 90% of them so hopefull that is a good sign? All of the 30 cent Wii U game downloads have a rep except for Punch Out so maybe that is a hint! And I guess Balloon Fighter but he made it into Nintendo Land. Gamefreak361 Mega Man for sure. Hell I’d be happy if Nintendo somehow purchase the Mega Man franchise and hired Keiji Inafune and his company Comcept to develop Mega Man Legends 3 along with a new game on the WIi U with Nintendo being the publisher. I’m sure it’d sell quite well. Cole Holbrook I think any Nintendo series that doesn’t have a representative should be considered. Following that, Animal Crossing is one of Nintendo’s most popular series and deserves a fighter. I think Tom Nook would be perfect. Although I also think King K. Rool deserves a place and he would be another number to the ‘dark side’. Also, (sorry to all the people who are tired of Mario characters) Rosalina could be pretty cool. The female roster is lacking in numbers and the Galaxy game were hugely popular. Not only that, but she would have a very unique moveset and could have an awesome stage. Alex Damman rundas and dark samus, both from metroid prime 3. PUT THEM IN SMASH BROS, NINTENDO, AND YES, THIS IS BLACKMAIL BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH LONG OVERDUE ADDITIONS. Christian Pena Ditto, that’s just the way they have always been. It’s not blackmail. I think they just want more people to know them as developer to boost the fame of their games. I would love to see their new games on eshop plus it would be awesome for meatboy to be in it. A lot of indie game developer have praise nintendo for how easy it is to develop for them. This would be a great way for nintendo to supportive of the indie developers and great for them aswell. KingLorik … Brony with Sunglasses nobody said we are desperate, you dip. RoadyMike Either way,they are requesting their character from a game that never appeared on any Nintendo platform,almost NO Nintendo fan knows him and they say that they’ll only bring over one game(which isn’t even an exclusive that would probably end up being a lazy port)in return? NO THANK YOU zerooooo exactly, they didn’t even try with nintendo’s wiiWare they just scrapped it. Its like me punching you in the face and saying “sorry i didn’t mean to I’ll give you a chocolate if you forgive” just don’t do it ninty… MofoJoe You moron. Read the article. “Super Meat Boy was originally planned to be a WiiWare title, but due to strict file sizes for WiiWare titles, it had to be scrapped.” zerooooo You moron. Read the comment. “they didn’t even try with nintendo’s wiiWare they just scrapped it.” No fucking shit… Clearly I know they scrapped it I stated that in my comment. What a non-dumbass person would learned from that comment is the fact they they didn’t attempt to strip it down the least they could of done is take out some levels or something. They didn’t try, you have seen CoD on Wii its a downgraded version. What they couldn’t have downgraded it at least. MofoJoe fuck off. Metal_Man_v2 Blackmailing? That word doesn’t mean whatever it is you think it means. Jonn McNally Well, they are trying to redirect blame to Nintendo for their incompetence. What’s the word for that? Metal_Man_v2 Not blackmailing. Blackmailing is the act of threatening to cause loss to someone until a demand is met. They are not demanding that their character be used, and they are not threatening Nintendo by saying, if you don’t we’ll tell everyone that you are pedophiles (obviously just an example, not true). Jonn McNally I wasn’t saying it was blackmailing… I was asking what the word was. If you can’t tell me then stop attacking this man for using an incorrect word. Metal_Man_v2 And I never said that you thought it was blackmailing. Please, try not to get so defensive on the internet. Anyways, begging a company to put your character in their game is exactly what it sounds like, begging. There is your word. Hope that helps you, have a nice day. Jonn McNally You implied it. You’re trying to redirect the subject because you’re biased. Metal_Man_v2 Biased on what exactly? There is no subject that we are discussing that requires an opinion. Unless you are talking about something different. Jonn McNally If you haven’t noticed this is a discussion about Meat Team and their disrespectful message to Nintendo. Nice job up-voting yourself and down-voting me, too. Shows how mature you are. Metal_Man_v2 Avoiding the question much? What am I biased about? Anyways, you have no proof who is up or down voting who, and considering that all of your comments have only one up vote, and all of mine have exactly one downvote, I could say the same to you. But I have no proof of this, so I’m going to maturely give you the benefit of the doubt. Jonn McNally That answered your question.. Metal_Man_v2 Whatever, you’re not making any sense, and my point was proven long ago. If for some reason you have a gripe with me, I sincerely hope you get over it, as it wasn’t intentional. Joseph Paul Johnston II Adults sometimes use spicy language. Aleksandar Antonijevic I bet they have a good reputation ! AAAkabob They can get fucked. Like really a no name non Nintendo character in smash? I don’t thinkso Chris Bingham *Cough* *Cough* Snake *Cough**Cough* Sonic *Cough* *Cough* Alex M snake and sonic are no-names? yeah okay AAAkabob Myy sentiments exactly Christian Pena I think he meant they weren’t Nintendo character, and not many people that are Nintendo fans know Snake. Unless you played the original on the Nes but I think there aren’t many fans for that game since it was a poor port. Paul Wright Metal Gear NES? Christian Pena Actually it was first on MSX2 then it got ported to NES. TrueWiiMaster MGS 1 was remade exclusively for the Gamecube, and Snake’s earlier games were on the NES. Nintenjoe82 Having thought about this for a few minutes, Meat Boy would be a good character. They could make him have no attacks, no health and die upon impact with the arena at the start. dylanbob121 And that is useful…how? Christian Pena He’s being sarcastic. Ben Vangenechten They release Super meatboy for the Wii U, nintendo puts Meatboy in SSBB (as dlc) Otherwise its like Nintendo is promoting a game for the xbox… Revolution5268 that i wont complain Ultranist Super Meat Boy is on PC too jcnba28 Super Meat Boy is not cool enough to be in SSM end of. CChaplin I think the fact that Super Meat Boy bleeds freaking everywhere whenever he moves would go against Nintendo’s vision of anything ever… Nathaniel Lopez Well, Nintendo is trying to get the Hardcore gamers, lol. zerooooo its not blood its grease or some shit. Sonic Blood…. The developers said so. Chris Bingham I love all the hate Nintendo fans are saying towards this article and probably have never played the game at all. Guys, calm down. He loves Nintendo and he is willing to let Nintendo use Super Meat Boy (an awesome game and character) for FREE in the new Super Smash Bros. Also, did you guys even read the rest of the article before bashing? They wanted Super Meat Boy to be on WiiWare but due to file size they couldn’t, also it could be possible that they might put it up on the eShop for Wii U and 3DS ElladanCZ Super Meat Boy is a fine and fun game but still, I cannot see Meat Boy standing alongside, Link, Mario, Sonic etc… in a nintendo exclusive game. I think the main idea about SSB is that NINTENDO franchises battle each other. Genesect4ssb4 Well Snake is not a Nintendo franchise, and neither is Sonic (although Nintendo bought SEGA). But Meatboy has no place in SSB. Snake has a good history of MGS titles on Nintendo consoles, and Sonic also does too (once SEGA died off :c). TrueWiiMaster The full story was that they promised Wii owners Super Meat Boy, only to develop it for the 360 and find that they couldn’t port it to WiiWare. No matter how you look at it, that’s garbage. Nintendo fans have every right to hate this company on that alone, but now the same guys who broke their promise to Nintendo fans want the main character from that game to be in SSB? The rage comments are completely justified. Christian Pena They really aren’t again it was due to size limitations. Here is an example. If you made something for someone and find out they couldn’t use it. Would you just throw it away even though you waster years/money making it. Or would you just sell it to someone so it wasn’t a lost. It just common sense that he would sell it. Don’t get me wrong I was excited and dissapointed that it didn’t came out on wiiware, but it wasn’t really his fault. TrueWiiMaster Here’s a better example: You promise to make something for someone, and have very specific parameters to meet. While making it you completely ignore those parameters, and just do whatever you want. When it’s finished, it can’t work because it doesn’t match the parameters, and you blame the person with the parameters rather than take responsibility for the promise you made. Even if the size limit is restrictive, Team Meat knew about it when they made their promise, and chose to ignore it. Christian Pena P.s http://www.vooks.net/super-meat-boy-isnt-coming-to-wiiware/ Read this Here Edmund says that it was his fault knowing the size limitation but hoping to push the limits. But the main reason for it was because he wanted to make something amazing and no less. He could have cut something out to make it in wiiware but refuse to give a shitty port. It also has more information that you made find interesting TrueWiiMaster He should have developed the game under the size limit rather than make it as big as he wanted and hope he could squeeze it onto WiiWare. That’s what the promise he made should have meant. Instead, they made the game far bigger than what WiiWare allows, and blamed Nintendo for the policy they didn’t develop the game under. Whatever anyone thinks of the size limit, it was there. Team Meat knew about it and ignored it, even after promising they would follow it to get their game on WiiWare. Gregory Edcius couldn’t have said it better myself Christian Pena Yeah, it’s really sad. I thought it was only the Xbox, Playstation fans that acted this ways.Well I was dead wrong. I guest all fan bases are just as bad as each other. 🙁 I’m sure if they actually played his games they would love it too. If they don’t I can’t really understand how they would like Zelda or Mario since his two games that game out on consoles and hand held are inspired by them. Mainly in the gameplay. It’s Mario= Meat Boy and Isaac=Zelda. The only difference is the challange, and it has more adult theme. Gregory Edcius please stop insulting your acting like you never played smash or aren’t aware of the care and development that goes in these titles it’s not like they try to push the roster with as many as possible they make a careful selection and to compare a flash based game to something like zelda is just wrong Gregory Edcius Seriously ? is willing to let Nintendo use Super Meat Boy (an awesome game and character) for FREE this is an insult toward smash its the other way around it’s an honor to have your character appear in smash all the names on the roster are big franchises mostly first party but the few third party’s that appear are big names Super meat boy is a joke if you compare it to any of these franchises Oh yeah not waiting or buying a game that was supposed to come out on last gen and dropped the platform to favor others a few years ago a half year okay 3 years no fucking way thats worse than a late port Chris Wells they didn’t say he had to be a playable character…. Pedro Natera super meat boy can be used as an assist trophie not a character, someone more valuable can be in his spot besides wtf is meat boy for real Christian Pena He’s is actually a lot like Mario but with more a fun personality. Look up his video on youtube they are quite entertaining. Ultranist Super Meat Boy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any mario game TrueWiiMaster Whatever you have to tell yourself. Christian Pena I kind of see Super Meat Boy being more of a hardcore Mario game. WIth a larger emphasis purely on plaftorming. Either way I love both of them. ECM Lemme make sure I have this: they go back on their word to bring their game to WW and have the temerity to ask for SMB in Smash? Are these guys even the least bit self-aware? Also: their games suck–if I want to play Flash titles, I’ll go to a Flash portal and play them. For free. Christian Pena I would love if he was in it. They could just remove the blood slide effect if they don’t like it. Plus Snake was in it so why couldn’t meat boy get in. TrueWiiMaster Because Snake is 1) a character with history on Nintendo’s hardware, and 2) a HUGE figure in the game industry. Christian Pena True but he is mainly known for Sony.The main reason Snake made it in is because Kojima went directly to Nintendo and ask for them if they could put him in. Nintendo agree and I think they got Twin Snake remake for the 3Ds as a thanks to Nintendo. http://www.gamezone.com/news/2012/03/19/so-that-s-why-snake-was-in-super-smash-bros-brawl TrueWiiMaster And Sonic is mainly known for SEGA. Pokemon games aren’t exactly famous for their home console games either. That’s not the point. To be a character in SSB, there has always had to be a history on Nintendo’s platforms. From what we’ve seen of 3rd party characters, it seems to also be a requirement to be a big name. Meat Boy doesn’t fit either standard, and was in fact withheld from Nintendo’s platforms. And the remake on the 3DS was Snake Eater. Twin Snakes was the exclusive remake of MGS1 for the Gamecube. Wayne Beck Sonic is, IP to IP, Mario’s arch Rival. He is also of Legendary Status in the Video Game world. There is no denying his right to be in Smash Bros. Solid Snake used to be a very highly regarded Character in industry. He also got his start on Nintendo. Despite the awful direction Konami has taken with Metal Gear, I think Snake still stands tall enough for a one time appearance. I wouldn’t expect him to be in Smash Bros. U. Meat Boy, he might qualify for whatever attempt to rip off Smash Bros. Microsoft attempts to make. But I think we all know where that will end.. Playstation.. TheImaj Meh.. Pattonfiend67 I lost all respect for these guys after they promised us a Wii Exclusive Meat Boy WiiWare title and then we didn’t get anything at all… Eat my Meat, Team Meat… You are not even close enough to be worthy to be in a SSB title! That is all I have to say… Christian Pena The reason Super Meat Boy never came to wiiware was dueto size limitation nothing else. Nintendofreak so dey are trying to make a game that never came out in a nintendo console come out in a ssb game….makes perfect sense TrueWiiMaster Yes, but they knew the size limitation before they promised the game to Wii owners, and then developed the game without the size limit in mind. It’s still their fault. Christian Pena http://www.vooks.net/super-meat-boy-isnt-coming-to-wiiware/ They were trying to make something amazing. This is something I wish more larger developer would try to do. If you were making something would you like to worry about restriction or go all out and really blows people mind. He tried making something great but in the end it backfire. I’m sure if he focused and worry on restriction the game wouldn’t had been as good as it was. That makes him a great Artist to me at least. He tries something risky not caring if people may find it offensive, just as long as its what he envisioned. TrueWiiMaster There wouldn’t be a problem with Team Meat and their game if they hadn’t promised it to Wii owners. If they never intended to adhere to WiiWare’s policies, they never should have made that promise. They did, there’s no denying that, and apparently it meant very little to them. IntrepidEmu I feel like the comments on this thread are a bit out of line. Granted its kind of ridiculous to put Super Meat Boy in SSBU (I mean he dies in one hit and has no attacks in his game), but Team Meat makes great games and they’re probably one of my favorite indie developers. They’ve tried to work with Nintendo in the past and have been screwed over, twice, by regressive policies than Nintendo has. I would love for Team Meat’s games to show up on the Wii U. Then I wouldn’t have to buy them for pc. TrueWiiMaster They weren’t “screwed over” by Nintendo. Nintendo didn’t change their policies while Team Meat was working with them. The developer knew precisely what it meant to promise Super Meat Boy to Wii owners, and they still broke their word. IntrepidEmu It was still a regressive policy and they would have had to reduce content or drastically change the game to comply with it. There’s really nothing more to say about it. TrueWiiMaster Like I said, they knew about the policy before they began. They developed the game without considering the size limit, pretty much ignoring their promise to Nintendo fans. they could have developed the game as a WiiWare and then added to it for the 360 version, but they didn’t. They made a 360 game and acted surprised when they couldn’t put it on WiiWare. Christian Pena You can say the same thing about Mario. Heck, Samus it practically indestructible with all her power up. If they add him they’ll definitely balance him. Duke Togo meat who? never heard of this character Christian Pena Not surprise he is an character made by indie developer. An indie developer is small team of people who makes game. Check out some of his cutscene on youtube. AceJ no…hell no Jizz Beard thePirate I think every company wants their character in Super Smash Bros… Its basically guaranteed advertising. For example, back in Melee days, I had no idea who Marth or Roy was until that game came out. Now, Fire Emblem is one my all time favorite games. I probably would have never bought Kid Icarus or Fire Emblem without Smash Bros cause I never knew about them. Squid Hmm, I suppose it can work, he just should stay away from kirby, and any eater in that matter. I don’t know how I feel about meat boy, I wouldn’t mind if he was DLC, but I’d rather have a character like Megaman or Geno dylanbob121 Your idea of DLC is actually pretty cool! Christian Pena I would prefer Megaman as well but the way Capcom has been treating him and no games from him for a while I doubt it. Geno, it depends more on square enix but I doubt it since he hasn’t had a game and I think only people who had played super mario rpg know him. The only way he would get in is if Nintendo and Square Enix team up to make a sequel. Squid Geno actually has a chance, in Mario Sports Mix, and Hoops 3 on 3, Moogles, Ninja, Black mage, and white mage are playable. Not only to mention Fortune street. Christian Pena We’ll have to wait and see. E3? John Andalora Well, if Nintendo can take a playstation character and a SEGA character, then Team Meat can join in on the fun. At least it would allow for some more indie games for the Wii U. zerooooo Lol they did not take a playstation character stupid… Snake isn’t even a playstation exclusive, Sonic and snake are on all platforms so basically its up to the devs if they can interpret the characters. Think of it this way Mario cannot appear on playstation all stars because he is a nintendo exclusive. John Andalora 1) Do you really have to call others stupid? Is that entirely necessary? 2) Metal Gear Solid originally got its start on the Playstation Console in 1998. It’s the first game that features Solid Snake. The games were later released cross platform years after, and rereleased as different game titles. Currently, Metal Gear Solid is seen on Playstation consoles first, and then later ported to the Xbox or Windows. Just because other systems come out with the same game released later doesn’t mean the character isn’t exclusive to a particular console. So, excuse me if I thought that a character that shows up first for Playstation games wouldn’t be considered somewhat “exclusive.” TrueWiiMaster “Just because other systems come out with the same game released later doesn’t mean the character isn’t exclusive to a particular console.” Actually, that’s exactly what it means. Sonic Adventure isn’t exclusive to the Dreamcast, because it’s on the Gamecube, PS3 and I think 360. And MGS1 received a full overhaul which was only released on the Gamecube, even now. John Andalora MGS1 was windows and PS1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid Christian Pena Though I agree with you. Metal Gear actually MSX2, Then got crappy port to the N.E.S. I really hate the console war. I don’t get why people prefer one over the other. (Not refering to you John Andalora) If these so called gamer really were a true gamer they would want this to happen and want all consoles to suceed. The main reason being is because this would be great example for Indie Developer it shows no matter how small you are as start as a group, if you truly put your heart and make something amazing and unique you can go far. I would love to see Meat Boy in it. This would be a great inspiration to indies. As to my point of all console suceeding. I really hate how people say Wii U will fail. Ps3 will Fail. X-box will Fail. Steam new system will fail. Wii U is still new and we haven’t seen its true potential.( Also the side i’m on) Ps3 hasn’t been release and I already see people saying its going to fail. X-box same thing the sad part is that it hasn’t been annouced yet. You can’t say something will fail if hasn’t even been announced yet. Steam same thing…. The thing is you would want all of them to succeed and do well because it means the game industry is strong and will keep growing. You will especially want this for indie developers. The games I have played for indie are some of the most creative and amazing games I have played in quite sometime. If this games were sucessful more larger company would be more willing to take risk and try something different knowing that even if it isn’t too popular it will still bring profit. I don’t want the games to be stagnant like it has been with shooters. The reason Crisis 3 isn’t doing too well is because there are a billion people doing the same thing it’s no longer unique and doesn’t stand out as much as it did. But that’s just my opinion, I’m sure dozens will disagree not matter if I made a good or bad point. Gregory Edcius i understand your sentiment but they don’t earn to appear in smash they never should have cancelled meat boy on wii no matter the reason now they want a no name character in one of the biggest nintendo titles a character nobody knows cause he never appeared on a nintendo system it’s not just hating on meat boy they are asking( implying/ offering however you’ll call it) for the impossible and they do it with a lot of arrogance Gregory Edcius hahaha your really stupid metal gear 1 and 2 snake’s revenge/solid snake appeared on MSX/2 and NES your talking about the solid series Know your gaming history before talking Christian Pena Calling people stupid make you seem ignorant. Even though Metal Gear series has expanded it’s still mainly known for being with Sony. Gregory Edcius Wrong again it started on msx and expanded from there dylanbob121 If they want him on wii u,then make a game on wii u! ludist210 So the guys who seemingly used WiiWare as a platform to promote Super Meat Boy (before it was even announced that it was coming to XBLA) before pulling the plug (for good reason, honestly) want their character to appear in a game on a platform that their character hasn’t had a game appear on? Makes perfect sense. Christian Pena Yup. Revolution5268 i just love logic.^^^ Christian Pena Here is a petition if you want to support this. http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/nintendo-get-meat-boy-in-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u zerooooo Noone support, it a stupid character. Think about how much it would suck to waste such a spot in one of the most anticipated ninty games. Christian Pena Why do you think he is stupid? zerooooo I have played the game and he is small hes fast and wall jumps and leaves a trail of meat grease were he walks… Out of all the other possiblites you want this bag of meat? what special moves can he do? Yes they can make it up but thats not ninty, I bet you have a character you are dying to have in ssb but you want the meat bag to take the open spot? Christian Pena Okay here are some character that Nintendo has made up there move. Ice Climbers, R.O.B., Captain Falco, Mr.Game and Watch, Pit, Zelda, Peach. So making up move isn’t something they wouldn’t do. In terms I’m actually pretty happy with Brawl, the only character I really would want in would be Megaman and SImon. But if they’re not there I’m not gonna be mad. Because we’re still getting a New Bigger Better Super Smash Bros. Game and that makes me happy enough . The main reason I would like Nintendo to take their offer is because this is pretty much the exact same thing Kojima did. Sure he was a lot more formal and humble about it. But the same thing no less. Plus it’s an indie game if they manage to get it in it would be a huge inspiration to all indie developers who want to make it big. It shows that even if you’re a small person you can still make and put you’re all into something and maybe it’ll eventually be able to stand side to side to your heroes. zerooooo G&W’s past games he had all the moves that were in ssb so it wasnt made up, C. Falcon had a comic and showed he was a fighter, remember peach had her own game and was in SMB2 thats were most of here moves came from, ROB well he is a robot so its easy to makeup moves unlike the meat bag,ice climbers really had nothing special just ice throwing which is common sence,Zelda is magical and stuff so you can be creative with that. All im saying is that i only like characters you can be creative with, and nintendo doesnt deserve to be black mailed that way. Gregory Edcius If they remotely wanted to make a chance they shouldn’t have screwed wii owners with meat boy why would anyone who had a wii support this coming to smash it would turn into the greatest boycott against a smash character Sonic Yes. Yes.and Yes. dylanbob121 no,no,and no Sonic I would pick Meat boy over Snake in a heartbeat. kaeyoss Yeah, right. Arrogant nobodies. “It’s totally free.” Exactly. It’s totally free advertising for a small studio by being placed in a best-selling game franchise. Won’t buy any of their games, on any platform. SuperSkitzzo Yeah I think their proposal has had a negative effect on many of us. dylanbob121 Really?I would much rather see a NINTENDO charecter than some phychos hunk of raw cow.No. Guhtere Meat Boy appeared on no Nintendo consoles, but they still want him in Smash Bros.? I think that the only 3rd party characters they should put in there are 3rd party characters that have appeared on a lot of Nintendo characters (like Megaman, who I want in SSB), or 3rd party characters that can be sort of show a rivalry (like with Sonic showing Sega, or Snake showing Sony since he’s been on more Sony consoles). They won’t just put in random non-Nintendo character like nothing! John Andalora Snake wasn’t on Nintendo consoles, either. Didn’t stop them from using him. TrueWiiMaster MGS 1 was remade exclusively for the Gamecube, and there were Metal Gear games on the NES. Christian Pena True but a lot of people see him more as a Sony character than anything. TrueWiiMaster That’s because he is a Sony character more than anything. But he’s still a major figure in gaming, and he has history on Nintendo’s systems. Gamefreak361 He’s a Konami character. You mean he’s appeared more on Sony consoles. TheJohns EXCLUSIVE SUPER MEET BOY MOVESET: B: Get blood all over the stage Side B: Run Up B: Jump Down B: Die Sneferie Team Meat, how about you “just f***ing” put Mew-Genics on the eShop? Tecpedz94 Never! I Dont even know who this meat boy is but its ugly as hell and i dont want it in a game like smash bros. Although they should add him as that punching bag character for training so i can use my moves on him and make him into minced meat :p Christian Pena I would recommend you to watch the cutscenes on youtube. The character is actually quite charming. Don’t be so close minded give it a chance. I just don’t like it when people give an opinion on looks itself without even trying it. Tecpedz94 Your totally right and after i commented i went and check it out the game looks fun but im still ticking to my comment. He doesn’t suit supper smash bros AT ALL. Its also the way they asked to have their character on the game was a but of a turn off…. Andre’ D’Arcy No, that just feels like some random person asking a famous celebrity to be best friends with them. It’s like, who do you think you are?! zerooooo I hope nintendo doesn’t waste a spot for the “shitBag” these people are basically saying “if you don’t put the character in ssb we will not work with you” which i find bullshit… Such a shitty character would be better suited for PS battle all-star. Dallas Scott Cooper I’d be fine with Meatboy in SSB… Right up until I find out that he took the spot of someone else, say, like Megaman or Simon Belmont. Christian Pena I doubt if they do put him in the game they would give him priority over Megaman or Simon. TrueWiiMaster After promising Super Meat Boy to Wii owners, and then developing it without the Wii in mind, Meat Boy’s presence in Smash Bros would be an atrocity. Of course, even if it had been released on Wiiware as promised, Meat Boy would still be awkward and out of place in SSB. Christian Pena Yeah, because Snake, Game and Watch fit in perfectly. The reality is none of them really fit in, because they are so different, what make it work is the presentation. TrueWiiMaster Snake had been on Nintendo’s platforms before, and Game & Watch was a Nintendo character. They’re both appropriate choices, even if they stand out in the game. They’re also both characters from long going franchises, which is another characteristic most SSB characters share. Joel But the game isn’t even on a Nintendo console… Bob Wilkerson I rather see someone like Megaman Christian Pena I’d like both. Madmagican This, I didn’t see coming Seriously, Meat Boy is great for jumping/platforming but he has nothing to build off of in terms of a move set Team Meat, please be rational, there hasn’t even been a meat boy game on a Nintendo console Christian Pena Captain Falcon, R.O.B, Ice Climbers, Zelda, Princess Peach, Pit. Also didn’t have anything to really build a move set. They made it up. They could do it again. that guy well, really zelda got all the spells link acquired in Ocarina of Time as her special move set and for her final smash she did use the light arrows against ganon in Twilight princess, so they did have some moves to go off of when making her. that guy Well, Nintendo usually doesn’t tend to add characters in SSB that never actually made an appearance on there hardware or has had only multi-platform releases. Remember both Snake and Sonic had games exclusive to Nintendo hardware before they joined and had a huge following. so im very doubtful nintendo will consider it and you also have to consider they only (usually) fill there roster with popular franchises that add a decent amount of players to their following and a indie game just doesn’t have the following required and i don’t really see a person that wouldn’t consider buying the game suddenly change his decision because meat boy is in it. Johny i LOVE super meat boy (who was obviously greatly “inspired” by jumper series by matt thorson.) but seriously ?…it does not fit in super smash bros game.. its kinda like pacman… we ALL mostly love it … but its just not fit for the game… i mean …just TRY to think about the moveset for meatboy………….EXACTLY MTGSWE I am going to stop this conversation once and for all. Sakurai has clearly stated that third party inclusion will be narrowed down for the next smash bros game! This is stated by the creator of the series. The only one that have a realistic chance as guest is Pac-Man. Namco is co developing! Einar Bullshit, I really hope Nintendo won’t agree to this crap. Super Meat Boy is cool, but he does not at all belong in a SSB game! They should take a look at what characters have been included in the series, mostly iconic Nintendo characters. I can’t believe how Team Meat is trying to bribe their way into the game… Sneferie All the love here for Tekken/SoulCalibur characters and lack of love for Tales characters is saddening… Zero Please let SSBU be with only Nintendo characters. Seriously, I didn’t find Snake particularly entertaining. Unless it has a big name and a history with Nintendo (Sonic, Megaman, etc.) and are limited to a select few, there shouldn’t be third parties. The point of the game is to see NINTENDO characters fighting against other NINTENDO characters. This is just my opinion, by the way. olajuwon_patterson they must think super meat boy is a legend or something lol!!! Oni No one wants your Meat Boy in Smash GTFO Clayton Junkins Meat Boy is weird… I’d rather see Sora from Kingdom Hearys in there! 😀 Nintendo, please make this happen. Also, Meat Boy would involve blood and Nintendo was already yelled at when Ganondorf spit up blood in the original Ocarina of Time. :O Chris do it i want to see meat boy in smash u Cole Holbrook I wouldn’t mind another unique character. As long as Meat Boy didn’t take the place of another character. ANY character. If the game has a roster of awesome people then feel free to add Meat Boy on Nintendo. Just please don’t cut someone like Lil’ Mac, Ghirahim, King K. Rool, Krystal, or Tom Nook! (Those first 3 seem very likely to me and the 4th is a personal wish!) Martin Kearney If they want Meat boy in SSB, first of all, don’t use f**ing in your sentence. Please would have been nice. Second of all, get the game on the Wii U, then ask them. Third of all, if he is in the game, don’t make him one of the main characters. DLC would be cool and would make a lot more sense. Guest Super Meat Boy should be a downloadable title for the Wii U or it doesn’t even get a single bit of consideration. dgallo911 Nintendo should add Meat boy in provided – he has 90% less defense, does 95% less damage, has only 1 move set (jumping based), is wearing make up and has a hot pink frilly t – shirt that clearly states “Blame Team Meat” lol Brony with Sunglasses If people really think that team meat doesn’t deserve nintendo, or that meat boy doesn’t deserve to be in smash 4, this is why we get a lack of 3rd party support. these RABID nintendo fans are frikkin stupid. if you’re gonna be smart enough to support nintendo, do so to also gain 3rd party support. meat boy would be a-m-a-z-i-n-g. team meat relations with nintendo would be godly. anybody who says otherwise shouldnt call themselves a gamer, because they won’t see what they’re missing. they’d be missing on indie perfection. TrueWiiMaster Team Meat doesn’t deserve to have their character in SSB because 1) they’ve never released a game on a Nintendo platform, let alone the game Meat Boy’s from, and 2) none of their characters are significant enough to be in a game as big as SSB (the only 3rd party characters in SSB are Snake and Sonic, both of whom are leagues beyond Meat Boy). And really, if Team Meat never released a game on the eshops, Nintendo fans wouldn’t miss that much. It’s not like there aren’t plenty of other indie developers already making games for both eshops. Brony with Sunglasses you say your last statement as if team meat is a dispensable indie group. they’re games are some of the most original in the last generation’s downloadables. a randomly generated dungeon crawler type game and a platformer for the ages? who wouldn’t want either on a nintendo console? only the rabid nintendo fans who are delusional enough to say “3rd parties need to change for nintendo and not vice versa.” As much as i frikkin love nintendo, team meat would be one of the greatest assets to them and nintendo would be too foolish to not accept that offer. by taking team meat for smash bros, meat boy gains a chance at launch on wii u, much like the binding of isaac. who cares if a team meat game hasn’t been on a nintendo platform? isn’t the point of a fighting game to have as much variety in characters for fresh gameplay? you’re points are invalid. TrueWiiMaster They are dispensable. The Wii U already has support from various indie developers with more to come. Team Meat is just one more, and no, their games aren’t automatically better than the others. Honestly, I’m not a fan of Meat Boy (I do own it on PC) and I think BoI was made just to be offensive (and it wasn’t made by Team Meat btw; one of its members developed it, but not as a Team Meat production). Not having support from Team Meat, which has only ever produced one console game, wouldn’t really matter in the end. I’d put support from developers like Gaijin, Frozenbyte, Shin’en (if they’re considered indie), Tomorrow Corporation, and Two Tribes over support from Team Meat. SSB is a fighter that draws characters from Nintendo’s platforms. So yeah, it does matter that Meat Boy has never been on a Nintendo platform. Nintendo would be putting a 360 only character in one of their biggest games, not to mention Meat Boy being an extremely random indie character, and a character whose game was promised and then denied to Nintendo fans. If Nintendo were to consider any indie characters appearing, probably as trophy characters or something, it should be characters like the Goo Balls from World of Goo, the bird from Toki Tori, Commander Video from Bit Trip, Jett Rocket from Jett Rocket, or Quote from Cave Story. Meat Boy shouldn’t even be given a second glance, let alone seriously considered. Brony with Sunglasses the only worthwhile indies on wii u are frozenbyte and gaijin. the others aren’t doing much. nuff said for your entire first paragraph. second prargraph, you have a point. only thing i can argue is that meat boy isnt an xbox exclusive. however, why people like you who wouldn’t consider ports of extremely well recieved games from other consoles for wii u is beyond comprehension. i suppose you don’t want a broader library, which is what most rabid fans accept. if you’re one of those who will accpt ONLY mario, metroid, zelda, kirby, etc on your wii u, something’s wrong. i buy a nintendo platform for their exlusives, but i’ll be damned if i don’t get any other games. TrueWiiMaster That’s your opinion. I actually have 4 of the 5 Indie games the Wii U launched with (I wasn’t really interested in Chasing Aurora), and I can tell you I enjoyed them all. I’ve played Super Meat Boy, and I didn’t enjoy it. And like I said, there are various indie devs lined up for the Wii U, and I’m sure there are more we don’t even know about yet. Two Tribes is bringing Toki Tori 2, Ackkstudios is bringing Two Brothers, and so much more. Just look at this list. Almost every game is from Indie developers: http://www.nintendolife.com/wiiu-eshop/games/soon Among consoles, which is what we’re talking about here, Meat Boy is indeed an Xbox 360 exclusive. I’m not against ports, though I personally abhor Binding of Isaac. If Team Meat wants to bring Mewgenics or Super Meat Boy to the Wii U, I’m all for it, and I might even give ’em a try. That’s not the problem here. SSB is a fighter using only characters from Nintendo’s platforms, with a strong focus on 1st party characters. That shouldn’t change. And though I’m a huge fan of most of Nintendo’s 1st party franchises, I don’t just buy Nintendo’s games. Like I said, I have Nano Assault, Mighty Switch Force, Trine 2, and Little Inferno, none of which are from Nintendo. I plan on getting Runner 2, Toki Tori 2, The Cave, and several other indie games coming to the Wii U when I can, as well as a table or two in that pinball game when it comes. I support indie developers when they make something I want. As an aside here, you do realize that the eshop is actually the most indie-friendly of all digital stores on consoles, right? I’m just asking because you seem to think Nintendo’s against indie developers or something, but that’s not the case. Brony with Sunglasses I’ve been waiting for a good, well written comment for awhile, and I won’t deny the one I just received. Bravo. I guess my statement about the lack of indie devs supporting the Wii u was totally wrong. The first that comes to mind, and one of my favorites, is wayforward. I also suppose meat boy wouldn’t fit in a smash bros. game. It’s just that I’m a more-than-avid supporter of Nintendo. Been like that for over a decade. When I see most Nintendo “fans” on the internet say things like “we don’t need 3rd party” or “3rd parties should change for Nintendo and not vice versa” for seemingly no reason it just irks me. Why would a Nintendo gamer NOT want third party is all I’m asking. I love Nintendo more than any of the other big three, but seriously, we’ve missed out on enough great games for one generation. One thing I wanna know though is why you dislike meat boy and the binding of Isaac. Both of those were in my top ten for the best Indies last gen. TrueWiiMaster To be fair, I think a lot of those Nintendo fans are saying they’d rather have the Nintendo games than the 3rd party games. Likewise, I would prefer that Nintendo continue to do what they want to do to make their games great, even if it’s different from what others are doing. Don’t get me wrong, I do enjoy 3rd party games, but all of my favorites are from Nintendo. It’s just my taste I guess. Honestly, I might enjoy Meat Boy more if I had a remote for my PC. Playing with the keyboard isn’t exactly my forte. Even with a controller, however, I get the feeling a lot of the difficulty the game’s famous for comes from the rather floaty controls/physics more than from the level design, almost like the developer made the game hard by handicapping the player. That’s just my opinion, of course, and like I said, it could change with a remote. As for BoI, I haven’t tried it, but I find the religious themes extremely offensive and unnecessary. I mean, would the game have been worse had they used different names and a slightly different plot? From what I’ve seen, it could have been just as good without those themes, while also being less controversial (though controversy could have been the whole reason for the themes), and the game would probably be on every system by now. BL4CKSH33P Since when is a crappy indie game equal to smashbros status! If there was an indie character on smashbros it would be Dillon, from Dillon’s Rolling Western. or Patricia Wagon, from Mighty Switch Force! As for 3rd party I could see Lloyd Irving from Tales of Symphonia, and Maxwell from Scribblenauts. Forrest Casarez Lmfao!!! I honestly can’t believe that last comment. Though i do agree with many on here that i found the whole f bomb sentence disrespectful, i just couldn’t help but laugh when these idiots said they wouldn’t develop exclusively for nintendo but would throw them a bone for putting their arcade game character in a pretty iconic game. I’d love to see him in there….but they are gonna have to do much much much more and exclusive work for nintendo is definitely a big one. Chiwawa who says dreams dont come true? $K00PA$ That would to play as 😛 Simeon Prince but of course! ReckoningReckoner If you haven’t HEARD of Super Meat Boy you’re under a rock. It’s one of the best platformers ever created. I’m surprised at the lack nintendo fan support. AND meatboy was in Bit.Trip.