Nintendo’s investor call yesterday yielded a lot of interesting information about the company, including the fact that Pikmin 3 and The Wonderful 101 weren’t the chart toppers that Nintendo hoped they would be. Flagging sales of the Wii U means Nintendo needs a good hit to increase interest in the console and Iwata believes that Super Mario 3D World is that title. “The key title that is going to drive this year’s year-end sales season is Super Mario 3D World, the latest installment in the Super Mario series that is set to be released in November. “I feel that the trailers we have released so far already provide consumers with a taste of the quality of the game, but this is indeed a compelling product that provides both single and multi-player gameplay to a wide range of consumers from novice to experienced players of Mario action games.” From the statement given to investors, it seems that Iwata is proud of the information they’ve given on the game so far, as he mentions the trailers that we’ve seen since E3. It should be noted that we’ve seen no TV advertisements for Super Mario 3D World yet, which comes out on November 22nd, the same day the Xbox One will be released. If Iwata is serious about this title turning around the sales dilemma that the Wii U has faced this far, a strong marketing campaign should be one of the first focuses for the company. Mario is an important figure for Nintendo and those who enjoy their products, but when trying to capture interest, gameplay needs to be highlighted effectively. What do you think? local_offer Nintendo super mario 3d world wii u stars Further Reading Nintendo loses patent appeal, ordered to pay Nintendo was brainstorming about Switch when Zorpix I actually agree. Critics are really getting excited about the game, and it keeps looking better and better. Those who are bashing it for saying it’s too “3D Landy” Are going to miss what seems to be an amazing experience. PS4/WiiU Most people are just disappointed that it wasn’t super Mario sunshine 2 or Mario galaxy 3. But it doesn’t change the fact that this game is going to be amazing. Although I still which they would take off the flags in the end. This way there are different endings to each level just like in Mario sunshine or Mario galaxy TwinTails There’s a such thing as secret exits. PS4/WiiU Only 1 per world. And that’s not what I mean, I’m saying like there are different goals per level. Not just go to the end but instead something like find the missing key or whatever. Or find all 8 red coins. If you’ve played Mario sunshine, Mario galaxy or Mario 64 you’d know what I mean. And I’m not saying that flag poles are not good, it’s just that they should stick to new super Mario bros Miguel Angel Barrueta Hernánde It will! Rugmouse I made a thread on the forums about how they really need to push some TV advertisements for this game. Air them during some of the prime time monster TV hits, such as The Big Bang Theory and Modern Family. Those demographics are exactly the type of people that would be all over this game, which by the way, keeps looking better and better as we learn more about it! JB Exactly! It wouldn’t hurt if they sponsored some of the programs and do some heavy advertising across Nick, Disney, Cartoon Network and The Hub. Get the kids begging parents for some Mario action! Guest Just a nitpick: Long time since I’ve watched the Disney channel, but when I watched Disney the only advertisements allowed were for Disney programs. Hipster Victor I know right x__x I barely see another Ad from a different company on Disney. But Since Disney and Nintendo are in good terms they might make a couple of commercials on that channel. rp17 There used to be 3ds commercials on Disney all the time therealruben1 Actually,when the wii u first launched,the cast of a disney xd show did this thing called the “wii u showdown”,where they faced each other in games like nintendoland and NSMBU Magnus Eriksson So funny. 23 upvotes on a post I would get 23 downvotes on. Nintendo must target the core audience, the kids. Us parent are not the same parents we had. We are grown up with gaming too and will of course buy our own games to that system. I bought Wii U for my daughters, but Im using it as much as them. Both with friends, girlfriend, family and by myself. If we buy it for the kids we will still use money on it. Arthur Sataine You’re conveniently forgetting their target with the Wii U was core gamers, not just kids. That was the entire point of the console. To put the focus back on the gamers themselves as opposed to getting in new nongamers like they did with the Wii. Magnus Eriksson I think you misunderstood something I wrote there. Arthur Sataine In regards to you designating children as Nintendo’s target audience, no sir I did not. Video gaming is not a children’s hobby anymore. Never was really, it was only ever perceived that way. All I am doing is reminding you that the “core audience” is not children. I get that you’re saying adults play the Wii U as well. That is entirely true. I am a proud 28 year old owner of a Wii U. My kids love it and so do I. And I’ll wager that I play it more than them. Magnus Eriksson Ok, then we disagree. I say that the core target for Nintendo products is children and families. Always was and will always be so. http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/49146/families-and-children-are-still-very-important-to-nintendo-iwata/ Arthur Sataine That article tells me they are not the focus, but are still considered when designing games. Magnus Eriksson We clearly interpret the same material different then. Arthur Sataine The title alone says that. But ok. http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/iwata-3ds-and-wii-u-will-focus-on-core-gamers-29151520/ Mike A I totally agree with you that the core Nintendo audiences are families(kids). I’m fine with this and it’s why I don’t limit my gaming to just one console. Each console brings different experience and as a gamer if one can afford it buy all the consoles…that would be my Christmas wish but Santa isn’t real ;( Chris Jones In the UK i am consitently seeing adverts for Wii U and its games on the cartoon channels. Guest They did the same thing with pikmin 3 and apparently that didn’t as well as they would have hoped. JB I hope this and the bundles that are coming out will help Nintendo get back on track! However a great game does no good if you’re not advertising it they should start now to get it in the minds of people. Because all I’m seeing at this point is PS4, XB1and CoD adverts. Majora’s Mask at least you have gaming ads in greece we are bombarded only with iphone ads …….. it just makes me burn apple to the ground and shout the guy who created the iphone 5c ad Elitepwnsface It will depend if it has online multiplayer. I wont buy it otherwise. Lil J Moore What? Elitepwnsface They keep making these games as if we all have friends to play in the same room with. JB I’m sorry you don’t have friends? I actually kid you. 🙂 It would be a welcome addition, as I have friends all over the map I wouldn’t mind playing with, but at the same time, I realize this game is better suited for folks being in the same company (at least to me) Nintedward I have lots of friends, but as a 22 year old a lot of them don’t like playing games as much as I do. They like going out and partying and socializing and stuff… Some of them do indeed like playing games like I do but they’re not always going to be there when I want to pay some multiplayer. Solution to this problem ? Online. Elitepwnsface I feel i am loosing out on an experience because of that. Rayman origins kinda had the same issue. I feel some of these game would be more fun to play with others but like i said earlier not being able to play from long distance really kills the opportunity. AZHood It doesn’t, and even then, online multiplayer is a bad fit for a game like this. Nintedward Don’t see how it’s a bad fit :S . Fair enough they’ve made a good local multiplayer mode, but they could of easily added in some sort of online component also. Like say a mode where you have to collect as many coins as possible, or a mode where you have to race from start to finish through the levels. Or just normal online coop mode, put voice chat in there and embrace where games are going in the future…. I love Nintendo more than anything, but they need to start taking online more seriously, open their eyes and look at the market around them. Lil J Moore This is something I can agree with.Games like Nintendoland and Sonic lost world would greatly benefited from online MP. I really hope online play gets better with games like Smash Brothers (the horror of lag). Nintedward Exactly. This isn’t the late 90’s or early 2000’s anymore! Nintendo’s main competitors have all 100% embraced online and as a consequence, people are playing games like CoD and Fifa on those systems. If there’s one thing that Nintendo REALLY needs to do is to fully embrace online multiplayer. Simple really. Justagamer Nah not really Online is over done anyways ..Myself i could careless for it.. PatcherStation Nintendo Land is one of the worst games Nintendo has ever released. No way was it worth £40. It should’ve been included with the console, like with Wii Sports. Sonic Lost World, it hasn’t gone down too well with reviewers, but I bet Official Nintendo Magazine will say it’s amazing. Sonic games died years ago. Lil J Moore This comment can’t be serious. First off Nintendoland did in fact come with the Console but was discontinued for Mario bundles. Two don’t take what reviewers say about Sonic serious as they suck at playing it and blame the game for their lack of skill. Decker Shado Umm.. Nintendoland -was- included with the console. PatcherStation Can’t recall Nintendo Land coming with the 8GB model in the UK. Lil J Moore It didn’t. It came with the deluxe version Justagamer That’s you’re problem! Elitepwnsface While i agree NL should have been included with the basic console(I have basic) or at least a more budget priced game, i think sonic is a great series granted they need to actually listen to fans and get advice from them. Because i know for sure that the games would be 100% better with fan input. Justagamer Yeah right fanboy AZHood You want Toad speeding through the entire level if you want to explore on your own? That alone, plus anyone that has experienced the chaotic multiplayer of NSMBU and NSMBW, shows that multiplayer with this game is best in a local setting. This game doesn’t need online multiplayer like MK8 and SSB do. Nintedward I respectfully disagree. I don’t see how having Mario 3D worlds multiplayer online would be any worse than offline. In fact the main thing that would make it better by being onine is that 4 people wouldn’t have to share the same camera, they would all have their own full real estate of screen space. AZHood I didn’t say it would be worse (although it potentially could given how Mario platformer physics are), it just isn’t necessary in a game like SM3DW. Regardless of whither you give everyone their own screen or not, someone as Toad can still speed to the flag, jump on it, and end the level seconds later. With ghost data in this game as well as the inclusion of Miiverse, there is still a sense of competition without annoyances. Elitepwnsface How is it a bad fit? What if i said online is a bad fit for Super Smash or Mario Kart would you agree? All these games have potential for online play. Look at the new wii sports coming out, they were offline only on the Wii but now they are adding online multiplayer components to them for WIi U. AZHood You’re comparing different franchises and genres. Online is a natural fit for SSB and MK. Most games in those genres are. Platformers? Not really, especially ones like Mario where precision and character physics have to be finely tuned for tight gameplay. Add online to the mix, as well as the chaotic multiplayer of NSMBU and NSMBW, and Toads speedrunning levels and spoiling the experiences for others, and you have a game that doesn’t need it. There is already ghost data and Miiverse for online needs. Wii Sports Club does more than simply adding online to Wii Sports. It adds state or regional sport clubs that you can join, rank up in, and compete against others. It’s a better application for online play than what some are expecting for SM3DW, most of which is already taken care of with ghost data. Elitepwnsface I think anyone can spoil the gameplay by greefing players in any multiplayer experience. I just think they should give the option to play with your friends for family long distance. Coop and online coop not much different, that is all i am asking . Justagamer their is a online mario cart..Mario cart 7 3ds..But with that being said I would like to see a online for Super smash..I will give you that Zorpix There is an online feature, I dont know why people keep ignoring this. I’m not entirely sure how it works, but in one of the trailers, it mentioned online play JB I noticed that too! It looks like you may be able to tackle certain courses. The main character is Mario (or whoever you select) and the other players are their Mii avatars. I wonder if it’s competition based? Zorpix I think they might be like, ghosts or something Lil J Moore They are CEObrainz There is online features however it isn’t multiplayer, at least that’s what one of the videos on YouTube seems to point at. Monomon A scoreboard? Lil J Moore lol Zorpix no, like, a bunch of miis running around with mario. not sure if it was playing at the same time, or ghosts. Jon it is ghosts. Pretty much what is it, data is downloaded and you will see the miis of other people that played that level and you’ll be able to see how they did it while you play. At least that is what I understood from it. Zorpix I kinda liked the idea. you’d be able to see the way they took through the level and stuff Nintedward It was showing other peoples ghosts, like in Rayman legends…. Zorpix is that what it was? Elitepwnsface if it allows me to play with my bro cool. Justagamer Is there online play for the new mario game? Justagamer Screw multiplayer..Not every game needs it and so don’t buy ..more for us Elitepwnsface There is a difference in multiplayer. I don’t play versus multiplayer hardly. I am referring to coop online. Justagamer I don’t ..It doesn’t need it Elitepwnsface Each is own i guess. I don’t think it needs offline coop. Justagamer I respect that but mario is not ment for online Elitepwnsface I agree to disagree. X) Justagamer True but Have you played AC4 Im thinking of getting it Elitepwnsface I have only played the first one. I found it to be getting the COD treatment so i lost interest from then on. -Won’t lie this new one has enough differences to actually peek my interest at least a little. John Andalora So, literally less than a day after Iwata states that putting your hopes on a single game to try and increase sales isn’t going to work, Iwata is putting his hopes on a single game to try and increase sales? Did I ever tell you the definition of Insanity? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_C5hdndk40 Lil J Moore Lol. This is different. Mario is a big name game unlike Wonderful 101. Mario can move consoles. Wonderful 101 could have too if they gave it better advertisements. Rugmouse Wonderful 101 was by far the most fun I’ve had playing a video game since the N64 days (or at the very latest, Final Fantasy X). The game deserves to be a part of every Wii U owner’s library, but alas, nobody even knows it exists. JB I loved the game myself, but I could see where it’s not everyone’s cup of tea. It’s one of those games that absolutely needed more advertising as it was a new IP. Mario being Mario can get away with little advertising. Simon Stevens I only took an interest to w101 because of it’s ties to viewtiful zoe, absolutely amazing game, could understand it not being for everyone though. John Andalora LOL this is different because Iwata isn’t saying that a game can help a console he’s just saying that a different game can help a console there’s a big difference! Simon Stevens Iwata ” help a homie out dawg” Michael Hancock Exactly. There is a big difference. The difference is Mario. Period. Justagamer Very true but some people are stuck to one console and some are going to hate on nintendo regardless of what people say and that’s fine John Andalora It doesn’t seem to be sinking in. I can get louder with caps, but that doesn’t quite work… Let me explain. Iwata stated that Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3 (2 games Iwata thought would do really well) didn’t sell anywhere near expectations. He had placed his hopes that each of those games in their time slot would boost sales for the Wii U. So, he admitted that putting hope in one game is not reasonable. So now… Less than a day after that statement, he makes Mario the flagship product of the Wii U this holiday. Instead of going the route that “All our games are the best! Come and get your hands on a whole mess of them!” He picks out one that he says “Oh yeah. This will help the most” and chooses it over all others. That is dumb. If you want to boost sales of your console, at least try to make it look like all the games you have are winners. I know Wii Fit U and Wii Party U might not be the most amazing games made, but at least put it out there that those games are important and will help. Don’t state one game is better, because in truth it is the variety that makes a video game console great, not just a select handful. That’s why I don’t think “Mario” makes a difference. Michael Hancock Mario is no “game”. It is a religion. John Andalora Then charge me of heresy, because it’s starting to bore me. Recent years have proved to be unadventurous and dull. Sticker Star and NSMBU weren’t that good, 3D land wasn’t exciting so I don’t intend to get the new one, Mario & Luigi Dream Team was fine but not nearly as good as the first few, and the generic Kart and Smash are just generic Kart and Smash. I’m tired of this stuff. Give something different. Michael Hancock NSMBU used the formula for the very best Mario (Super Mario Bros.-NES)-fully realized and evolved. I don’t consider Smash or Kart Mario games. John Andalora If NSMBU actually used the “formula,” then it would’ve had a challenge. I completed the game with 77 lives and no feeling of accomplishment. I still have difficulty beating Super Mario Bros on the NES, and feel a great sense of pride and accomplishment each time I beat Bowser. Michael Hancock I would say, in general-NES games are way harder than modern games. I still can’t beat the original TMNT without Game Genie. John Andalora And you know what? It’s much more fun to defeat a real challenge rather than just a long and simple game. Michael Hancock Mario is no “game”. It’s a phenomenon and a culture. John Andalora A dying out culture, if you ask me. These recent games with Mario just haven’t gotten me anywhere near as excited as they did when I was young. There was so much innovation and charm in the past. Now it’s all just the same kind of boring routine. Nintendo needs to try and pump new life into Mario, not sell him out with more Kart and Smash and Mario Bros. Justagamer Yeah keep thinking that but then the vita is dying too,,Just saying John Andalora You seem like the kind of individual who has never actually played a Vita. Justagamer I have and sold it after two months ..sorry it was crap..No games worth the time and the memory cards to much John Andalora Bought it about 3 months ago and loved it ever since. (Although I bought it used with a 32 GB for $200, so wasn’t nearly as expensive). It’s my indie console. I love the portability of big games, and yet the possibility for the small ones. I’m not a big fan of putting games on my mac (mostly because they’re MS only), and I also don’t have a PS3, so most of these indies are not possible for me to purchase otherwise. Did you play Gravity Rush or Killzone: Mercenary? Those were exclusives I couldn’t put down. I’ve also recently been playing The Walking Dead and Hotline: Miami with it. If others don’t like it, I suppose that’s their decision. But whatever consolation it is, I enjoy it and I know other people who do as well. Michael Hancock Super Mario Galaxy 2 was released a mere 3 years ago. I would consider that recent. I would also consider it a masterpiece…so would critics. John Andalora New Super Mario Brothers U was released less than a year ago. I would consider that recent. I would also consider it the most boring installment I’ve ever seen. Most critics don’t agree, but this quote about sums up my thoughts on this newest adventure. “I couldn’t help feeling disappointed with it.” – Destructoid Wren Justin Umlauf YES! Thank you! I just played that part of Far Cry for the first time and it was like, holy crap a video game just taught me a huge and true life lesson. And to everyone else, how is Nintendo not doing the same thing over and over again. Just because everyone on this site is excited for this Mario game doesn’t change anything. We are a tiny community in the gaming world. Justagamer Id rather be in the small community..Nintendo has the better games for the most part and if i get any games for ps4 it will be very few John Andalora Yes, because Smurfs 2, Planes, Cabela’s Dangerous Hunt, Tank! Tank! Tank!, Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures, Angry Birds, Spongebob: Plankton’s Aquatic Revenge, Phineas and Ferb, Turbo, The Croods! Prehistoric Party, Walking Dead: Survival Instinct, Jeopardy, Wheel of Fortune, Rapala Pro Bass Fishing, Rise of the Guardians, Rabbids Land, Your Shape Fitness, ESPN Sports Connection, Game Party Champions, and Wipeout 3 are all such gems that show how a small community has few but great games… Daniel Gonzalez He’s admitted to being a fanboy when he said he’ll defend Nintendo no matter what. So there’s that. I do agree, though. Those games aren’t exactly great games. Justagamer Myself i am a fanboy and proud of it and also a sony fanboy because gaming is gaming to me but not sure to what to think of the new xbox david jarman Some of those games are multi-plat games and pacman turned out to be a decent game. I like how you only labelled those games. What about Blops 2, Blacklist(no screan tearing), batman arkham city and origins, need for speed(ours is better), Nsmb and luigi, Windwaker hd, Pikmon 3, The wonderful 101, Mario 3d looks amazing, rayman legends(ours is better), Ninja Gaiden(Ours is better) and have you seen the new footage for Wii u’s version of Ac4 it screams shut the F*CK up! John Andalora You listed 12 (Not including Luigi because it’s DLC, and Mario 3D because it isn’t released) I got 21. david jarman It’s releasing at the end of November so its close enough. And you’re gonna buy and play all 21 games. John Andalora 1) No it’s not “close enough.” It hasn’t released. It’s like using X as an example of a great game the Wii U can play. It hasn’t released yet, so you can’t play it. 2)No, and neither are you. But I am going to know the difference between there being a bunch of bad games on a console not selling well and a “close-knit” community of few but great games. Fact is all systems have bad games, and having more games doesn’t mean most of them are going to be bad. The OP made a point that he likes a small community because there are fewer bad games. However that doesn’t mean a big community has few good games. It means that there’s more possibility for more good games. david jarman Why are you so adamant about telling people how you like the ps4 more. Who gives a shit? All you do is fucking complain on here about how nintendo doesn’t makes games that excite you. Then why are you on here? To express your opinion? Really? I think not. I think you like being on here to bother people and that is wrong. As far as mario goes a lot of us got to play the demo. John Andalora And you think I didn’t play the demo? I am not on here to bother people. I’m here because I’m waiting for the moment that I can say “Yes! This is awesome! I’m so looking forward to this!” People think I’m here just to hate on the Wii U or tell people how boring I think the games are, but I really hate that I hate the Wii U. Do you think it’s fun to have a console that you thought was going to be innovative and new only to watch it peddle out identical titles from the other Nintendo consoles? Do you think it’s fun to want to play a console so you can justify the purchase, only to be met with ports and games you don’t want to spend $60 on? Do you think it’s fun to pick up titles you thought would be amazing only to be met with either being too easy or too weak (NSMBU and Game & Wario) I want to see the day that I’m excited for the Wii U. I want the thing to turn around and be a game-changer in the console industry, the definition of this generation. I want to have a plethora of games that are just and exciting so fun I can’t put them down. So why do I comment? Why not just keep my opinion to myself and wait until the day comes that I can say that? Because I feel the need to express what I think Nintendo is doing wrong in the hope that maybe others will see some perspective that they typically wouldn’t get from those around them. I mean, come on! Iwata names SM3DW the flagship product of the holidays instead of just telling people “Hey! All our games are equally as exciting and engaging! You should buy them all, seeing as how they’re all just so darn good!” And that was after he stated that putting hopes on one game to turn the tide was dumb. Everyone else here is just so happy to play the same sequels over and over again, claiming that Mario Kart and Smash Bros. will be the thing that turns this all around. Isn’t anyone else bored of these games? Haven’t other people spent so many hundreds of hours on the past ones that people are tired of it and want something new and innovative? Is what you want out of the great masters of innovation cheap sequels and remakes of past games? That’s why I comment. Don’t think I don’t want Nintendo to do better. I just think what they’re doing right now is dumb. Justagamer You were blind to show we also have Zombi u,COD BO,and much more but people like you can’t see that but again go play playstation or xbox if wii u is not for you because you’re crying does not help John Andalora You said you value a small community because it has few games, but they’re really good. I listed 21 bad games, and you try to use 2 to prove me wrong. As for playing other consoles, I will. But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to make any comments about the Nintendo Wii U. We’re all entitled to our opinion. Justagamer true and so am i man. Like i said if you don’t wii u than don’t get it plain and simple..that is like the xbox one..not worth 500 dollars and most people this christmas are not going to pay 400 or 500 for a gaming console and alot will go to Wii u but to be fair myself am getting a PS4 and but not everyone hates nintendo if that were so the 3ds would not be kicking vita butt right now and the wii u would not have sold over 100 million units John Andalora I already have one. I have been a Nintendo console man since the N64. I thought this new one would be interesting and new. In fact, I bought it mostly for Rayman Legends and ZombiU. ZombiU was okay, but nothing I would’ve been lost if I didn’t play, and Rayman Legends… well, you know what happened. Never have I been this disappointed with a console. It’s not that I hate Nintendo. It’s that I hate what Nintendo’s doing right now. They’re making very poor decisions with the Wii U that only seem to be hurting it. I agree that they have turned the 3DS around and the Wii was a lot of fun, but I wouldn’t consider that reasons to love the Wii U. Poor marketing followed by many delays coupled with a somewhat weak library and only promises of “Smash and Kart” to keep people invigorated leaves me feeling rather disappointed. I know that I may be along on these forums, but my Wii U is currently in its box under my bed, waiting for a game to get it out. And mind you, if this same stuff happens with the PS4, I can guarantee you that I’ll be complaining about it. John Andalora I really liked this game. Vaas has got to be one of my favorite villains as of late. His ability to be completely sane and reasonable mixed with his out of control rage and almost bipolar nature really made him the perfect adversary to you. Vaas’ strengths were his lack of predictability and his rationality. It wasn’t like Bowser where he does the same thing and expects shit to change. Vaas is almost an overlooming presence because you could never get a grip on what he could do next. God that was a great game… Justagamer What is insane is you’re dumb comment. John Andalora Care to explain what’s so insane about my comment? Iwata admitted that putting his hopes on single games to turn the tide for the Wii U is not a good strategy (Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3), and now we see him literally claim one game as a flagship product instead of just telling people “OH YEAH! All our games are awesome!” less than a day later. So what, if I may ask, is insane about my comment? Justagamer You seem to really hate Wii U and so if that is so why comment here..in less you are trolling and if you don’t like the games they have than maybe Nintendo is not for you. They do have a psdaily site or xboxdaily..They maybe a better choice for you but to hate on this page is insane..Nothing personal but i stand by this console as it is awesome regardless of those who hate on it and just to show i am getting a PS4 for a few games so im not just for one console Justagamer My young sons room John Andalora So what’s insane about my comment is that I don’t like the Wii U and express it on a website? We all have different tastes. Whether or not you agree is not my problem. Justagamer And you think it’s mine you are one here trying to troll people with your option but than i could care less my sons are happy with the Wii u and so are alot of other people..So again you hate wii u so much why comment here..In less you are here to troll..Just saying! John Andalora I am here because I was a huge Nintendo fan. Played from N64 to Wii. Loved them. Even went back and bought a NES and SNES. I was a big Nintendo fan. Was, because the Wii U has been something rather disappointing to me. Whether or not it is to others here is not my concern. I’m glad that they’re having fun with it. But I suppose that the innovation with the GamePad was a signal to me that they would be making innovations in titles and games. I figured that I loved the other consoles so much, this one was sure to be good. Unfortunately, such is not the case. I’m not satisfied with the list of games, I’m not satisfied with the delays, I’m not satisfied with the generic titles to come that everyone thinks is going to save the Wii U, I’m not satisfied with the lack of a list of games after X I’m not satisfied with the lack of advertising to get this product sold to more little kids that will probably love it, and I’nm not satisfied with the poor use of the GamePad in most games. If disagreeing with you means I’m a troll, then fine. I’m a troll. But all I want is for Nintendo to recapture what made those other consoles so great rather than trying to copy paste the games and expecting the customers to come. Justagamer I can respect your thoughts on that but nintendo is the still best choice these days for first party games and that is fact John Andalora Well that’s all fine and good, but I want the 3rd party games that Wii U isn’t getting. Things like Thief, Dying Light, Yager’s projects, The Elder Scrolls Online, The Evil Within, The Witness, Deep Down and Destiny (to name a few). And honestly, I’m not satisfied with the 1st party games Wii U has so far. It’s all the same things I’ve played before. Give me something new, and maybe we’ll talk. Justagamer i can get all those on PS4 but for me nintendo is for their 3rd party games but i can understand how you feel i want to like the vita but it just failed so bad and like you for nintendo the vita has no good games John Andalora I think we can both agree that we at least have each console that just isn’t good for us. You the Vita, me the Wii U. I think it’s fair to say there’s not much more that can be discussed without simply being personal taste. Justagamer Im really looking forward to The elder scrolls online for ps4..That is what makes me want the ps4 John Andalora Should be a lot of fun! Justagamer also want second son John Andalora Mm! That game looks very impressive. My first game is going to be Knack. Was gonna get Watch Dogs for the bonus content, but you know the rest. What’s your first game gonna be? Justagamer Im thinking AC4! Watchdogs i wanted day one but like you said we know that story Truthteller If he is betting the farm in THIS game to sell systems, then he must be stalling investors or he simply does not know what is going on in the video game world! This game won’t move a thing and to really judge it’s appeal, you would have to judge by how many Wii U owners buy the game. It should be nearly all. If not, it has and will flop for that reason alone. Traditionally, Nintendo console owners are the ones who buy Nintendo games, usually because there games are the only good ones to buy. We are in a new era now. One where Nintendo cannot be trusted and one where baby games don’t decide the market. Mario has gone from a fat plumber trying to fix pipes only to find danger, to going into space, kingdoms and other spots all while having to save the princess countless times. The Japanese have repetitive games with the same villains and themes which is why their creations get played out in the US. Be it Voltron, Power Rangers or some others, as you see the same people fighting all of the time and you know it will be a never winning battle, you lose interest – all while getting older. In Mario’s case – get rid of that princess and get rid of Bowser. There is no need to keep Bowser around as he is not cool enemy. In a game like Mario, you can keep changing enemies to keep the game fresh, but Bowser and an unreal character like Wario is not doing it. Get creative and they will come. The whole thing is, gaming has changed and baby games are not what they used to be – universal. Games with modern graphics are what is happening. Mario games still look like they take place in never, never land – a place that you cannot identify. It was designed for a 2D world and still has not translated well into 3D. Sean you are too verbose. make shorter more concise points and people may actually read. Truthteller You don’t provide enough detail. Give us specifics about what the hell you are talking about, then maybe we can understand your point of view. Rugmouse I respect your opinion, but a lot of your premises are highly subjective. Games with modern graphics are a draw for many, and may even be necessary in specific genres, but I for one often play video games to escape reality. Games that show terrorists knocking down buildings and destroying cityscapes are something I’d rather leave behind when I turn on my console. We have enough realistic violence going on. I’d much rather fire up Monster Hunter, and take my ‘aggression’ out on some larger than life beasts, or save the city from some Gethjerk aliens that are destroying my home. While I enjoy Bowser as villain for the franchise, I could see how mixing things up and deviating from the same old ‘save the princess from Bowser’ formula could be expanded upon. But at the same time, it’s all about the game play when you sit down to play a Mario title. Truthteller For game play, you need a story. If the same story is ‘save the princess from Bowser’ (again), then you know what the game play is likely to be and you know that in the end, the same thing will happen. You get her back, then in the next game he takes her again. How can you make the claim that Nintendo has great game play when it is the same all of the time? You can also escape in a fictional world in realistic games you know. The one time i’d like to play and air based military game, no one has any to offer! LevenThumps Gameplay can change greatly when the story is save the princess. In Super Mario Galaxy and New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Princess Peach is captured. However, they both play very differently. One is 2D, and one is 3D. One shoots you in between planets and alter your sense of which way is up, and the other is a sidescroller with goombas. Just with Mario alone, Nintendo has had an RPG, racing, 2D platformer, and a 3D platformer, all of which play very differently. Jon not every game is played for a story. Most platformer games usually have a similar goal. reach the end and get your prize. You play platformers almost never for the story. You play it for the experience. Joey Bowser is a cool enemy why should he be out of the game you sound like your not a Mario fan. I am looking forward to this awesome Mario 3D World. Truthteller How many more decades do we need to see him? This is why I grew out of Voltron and Power Rangers. I expect enemies to be defeated after a while. The same thing with G.I. Joe. I know it was not Japanese, but after so many years, you wonder why no one ever gets the edge in the battle. It should be easier to create new villains than to create new heroes. People will accept new villains over new heroes. Joey It’s a Mario game, if you don’t like it then don’t play it. Lot’s of people like playing Mario games as long as i am having fun with my friend’s and i am still playing Luigi U right now. Jon lol, I like how you got downvoted by 3 people because you told them not to play a game if they don’t like the game and to pretty much play games they like. Simon Stevens Difference being, babies don’t complain, kids like what’s familiar, and to be honest, there’s much more to the market than pathetic 30+ year olds commenting on everything the 3 companies are doing, I’m sure plenty of kids are begging Santa with letters for a Wii U plus Mario 3D world this Christmas, the only thing I will say from a personal point of view is that Nintendo need to add new ip’s to there existing ips, Disney have there Mascot but they don’t rely on him like Nintendo do with Mario, it would be nice to see kids get excited for new lovable characters and franchises. Truthteller Well, little kids are what Nintendo bet on and it did not work out for them. No kids, no old people, no women and hardly any Nintendo fans, so what is next? No one is looking back, they are looking forward to a PS4. Simon Stevens I don’t think they will do as well as they did with the Wii, I think there are kids out there that will opt for the wii u over the ps4 though, it’s premature to say no one is looking back and only towards the ps4 especially when their non mature content as it stands looks to be slim pickings, what about the vast majority of users like myself who are prepared to wait it out a while before buying into the ps4?, personally I think there’s many games recently released and upcoming on ps3 that I just see no possible reason to upgrade right now. Ventusblade This is the only game that can help the Wii U this holiday, besides LoZ WW HD. Hopefully this will get enough people to buy it, along for the wait of MK8 and SSB4 Daniel Gonzalez While I don’t like Iwata all that much, I can agree with him here. This is one game that can help give the Wii U a good boost. As with everything though, I take it with a grain of salt. Being that this is a Mario game, I expect it to sell well enough to be a success. Rugmouse No idea why this was immediately downvoted…haters gonna hate I guess Daniel Gonzalez It may of been some of the wording they didn’t like and took it as negative. Some people on this site can’t handle honest opinions. That’s a shame. bizzy gie Why don’t you like Iwata? Merrfn Please understand. Mike A I think you’re actually being to positive. Yes I agree that this Mario game is going to sell well. Ah that’s why I brought WiiU when it first came out to play Mario games. However, I see just a little boost for Wii U. Hope I’m wrong and your faith in the Mario game becomes tangible. Daniel Gonzalez “As with everything though, I take it with a grain of salt.” I wasn’t being that positive. Lol. 😛 Majora’s Mask i agree but there two cases here one : it sells just enough to make some money for nintendo two: its a colosal fail and solds poorly Lil J Moore Everybody gets downvoted on here. It happens PatcherStation I agree, can’t say I’m too keen on Iwata. As a matter of fact, I don’t think he’s the right man for Nintendo. Super Mario 3D World looks like an ace game, but it won’t be a console seller to the mass. 3D Land on the 3DS is a great game, but it’s much more suited for the big screen (Wii U). Mario Kart 8 is the game I’m looking forward to. Top of the list is a new Wave Race. Truthteller The problem is, by the time Mario Kart comes out, it will come out too late. PatcherStation Nintendo will probably delay it for ages until other games sold enough stock. I can honestly see Mario Kart 8 being released from the middle to the end of 2014. Majora’s Mask they will probably release it july-august and ssb in november Hipster Victor Too late? Justagamer He is just another hater of Wii U..Just pretend he’s not here Justagamer that is not going to happen Jon This must be your motto Krzysztof There’s never too late for a good game Magnus Eriksson Itis a bit late yes. Should have been here right after E3 13. Guest Uh…iwata was the one that made the Wii era successful. Plus if you look on Wii U best Sellers list and miiverse cummity it NSMBU so I’m Sure it will sell systems. But how much, time will tell. Just look at WWHD which wii U sell went great over that LE bundle. Daniel Gonzalez I think Nintendo’s 1st party studios and selected third parties made it successful. I give all credit to those who put their heart in soul in these games. No one person deserves all the credit. If he was the one who made the Wii a success, then the Wii U would be having the same success even now. If anything, he made the Wii U worse by pushing back some games which would have helped during the holiday season. Developmental staff are the ones that make a console a success, not who is running the company. Be real dude. Lol. Edit: Any reason why you deleted your comment? Guest When he worked as a programmer at HAL Laboratory in his early career he was considered to be a “genius programmer”. He joined Nintendo in 2000, and succeeded Hiroshi Yamauchi as the company’s president in May 2002. Barron’s Magazine named Iwata one of the world’s top CEOs, due mostly to the Wii sales, as well as Nintendo’s increased stock price. The Wii had much better support, with third parties and such. Just because he did one thing successful doesn’t mean you can make everything else successful. I aggree he has faults and problems to fix but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t done anything food, as example for the 3ds which was once not a system seller to the top pick best-selling hand console. If if you do credit everyone why do you only blame him on this? Anyway that’s my opinion and it will stay there. Daniel Gonzalez Simple, because you credited him for the Wii. So with that logic, he takes blame for the Wii U. You’re right, he does have faults, and plenty of them. Guest Everbody has faults, but as I said before when became the next president for Nintendo he did make the Wii successful along with everybody else at Nintendo for their great games. But you were already blaming him, before that comment was said, so do use to back it up your claim. Anyway Nintendo has some thing to do over this hoilday season and such, let see if they can pull it off. Guest I don’t know about that but the Iwata will just have to do something about this. He has done some good thing and has done some bad as well but, who knows with Smash bros and MK8, but I’ll tell you now that when I talk about my friends about the Wii U most of them didnt even know what it was. So we need some advertising over the Hoilday season especially with the next@ gen console this month. The 3ds is doing great right now but Wii U is struggling. So we’ll just see what happens. I do agree on ;3D world being a system seller though just as NSMBU was. Miles “Tails” Prower Just out of curiosity. Why don’t you like Iwata? Hipster Victor Lol I wonder why you dont. But i’m not hating 😛 and here’s my upvote Justagamer Mario i think will and can boost sales Skelterz you slept with iwata Ducked I said this would be the system seller for the Wii U this holiday season. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD really helped the Wii U, and will help it even more this holiday, but Super Mario 3D World will be the real deal. With the new $299.99 New Super Mario Bros U bundle, sales should really pick up. And hopefully buyers will also get past Wii U games like Pikmin 3, ZombiU, The Wonderful 101, Lego City Undercover, Nintendo Land, etc. Hopefully 3rd party titles will pick up too. the Wii U certainly needs more 3rd party support heading into 2014. As if the Wii U will outsell both Xbox One and PlayStation 4? That’s very uncertain. It’ll be hard for it to overcome the hype. But things will be much better next year with Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros U, Yarn Yoshi, and other unannounced Wii U games. Truthteller You guys keep using the tricks of naming certain games to give it the appearance that the Wii U has games for years when they only have a handful of games. It is worth passing on. $399 for a PS4 with the best tech. $499 for an X1 with inferior tech and a TV tuner (while they just encrypted all channels), or $299 for a flopped system with low tech and no games now or on the horizon? Which one sounds like the best deal to you? Be honest. Rugmouse You’re absolutely right in your assessment of the Wii U’s actual hardware being behind that of the competition, but aren’t you also being a bit hypocritical when it comes to the games library – especially with all of the recent game delays that have plagued the Xbox One and PS4? With many marquee titles being pushed out, one could argue the yet-to-be-released platforms are in danger of having condensed libraries as well. I’ll admit that the longer-term prospects for the PS4 do indeed look the best out of the three, but I don’t see a compelling reason to choose PS4 over Wii U until after developers begin to really push the limits of the tech – which often times doesn’t happen until very late in a cycle. Looking at Assassin’s Creed IV – I was very underwhelmed by the differential between Wii U and PS4. Sure the textures and draw distance were a bit cleaner, but nothing that really wow’ed me. Truthteller What games were pushed back for the PS4 that will actually make a difference in sales? The one thing that people can trust with Sony is that games WILL come. With Nintendo, we can’t trust that games will come. No GTA V, not anything next-gen. It is not looking good. Right now, MS is trying to gangster up exclusives and I guess Sony is paying people to give inferior versions of games for MS, but games will come. You also have to keep in mind that launch titles usually use last-gen graphics but with more memory and and little bit better textures. They are not usually made from the ground up on the next-gen systems. At this point in the Wii U’s life, we should see something, but we don’t Even Nintendo cannot show anything. I NEVER own a PS system in my life, I always played them over other people’s homes. I played them so much over other people’s homes that I felt that I owned one! Well, the PS4 will be my first PS purchase. I would prefer to get games on the PC, but they do not optimize them and EA stopped making Madden on PC. Now if they made an optimized NBA Live, I would get that over 2K. 2K did not make a next-gen PC optimized game (which would still be underpowered on a PC), so I will get the PS4. This is why I don’t spend more than $300 on a video card. If I were not doing things other than playing games with the card, I would not even spend that much. CCM I agree with you on a lot of points except the part: “The one thing that people can trust with Sony is that games WILL come.” Um, The Last Guardian… Truthteller GameS. Where is Wii U Zelda? Decker Shado Riddle me this. Why get a PS4, with “the best tech” when it’s inferior tech to my 2 year old mid range PC? It’s x86, so aside from exclusives it’s pretty well guaranteed that all PS4 games will be ported to PC, and not require coding overhauls to run well. Wii U offers a different way to play games. Xbox One at least has the Kinect 2 bundled with the system – PS4 stands there trying to convince me that graphics are all I need, while being graphically inferior to what I already own. What reason do -I- have to bother getting a PS4? Truthteller You kind of answered your own question and gave a better reason for getting the PS4! Maybe with the PS4, they can begin to optimize PC games for PC’s now instead of delivering them at console quality ports. PC games don’t even approach the power of the video cards out which is why I never spend much more than $300 for a card and I only do that when the technology changes drastically. I sense hate on the PS4 because you know it will come out on top and Sony has been the one shutting Nintendo out for the last 20 years. Come one, how can you even promote that Kinect 2 as if people even want that? In video games, graphics (of course expect game play…) ARE all that you need. In this case, the PS4 has the graphics, game play, technology AND the price! It’s #2 for the X1 and the Wii U is outta here. John Andalora If I may weigh in: Don’t get a PS4. See, for some (like me), the PS4 is a really viable option. I don’t have a gaming computer. I have a mac. So getting games that could be ported on all fronts is great for me. A mid-range PC I can take anywhere like the PS4 will probably be just what I’m looking for. But I get rather frustrated seeing people argue about these consoles with the claim that “I already have a computer, so why get the PS4?” If you already have one and don’t see a reason to buy a PS4 then don’t buy one. Although I’ll state right now that I don’t really agree with Truthteller that there is a best system of this generation, I can express that the Wii U isn’t quite the gaming console I expected it to be. I’d like a variety of 3rd party games from all across the spectrum with a reliable and intuitive controller, so that’s why PS4 is good for me. If you like the Wii U, then great! But there’s still more I need to see before I can enjoy it too. Decker Shado Fair enough. To me, it all comes down to the systems making a claim to why they should exist – and I don’t believe that graphical fidelity is really a strong position. If so, the Xbox (original) would have demolished the much much less powerful PS2, but that’s not what happened. True, with power comes freedom to explore new game types, but the transition to the “next generation” is looking like the smallest graphical upgrade yet. Yes, big booming powerful systems compared to their predecessors, and yes three years from now the games will look fantastic, but still, the law of diminishing returns is in effect. That’s why as much as I don’t like a lot of what’s gone on with the Xbox One, I’ll still commend them for including the Kinect 2 – as standard and not a simple peripheral, developers can count on all Xbox One owners to have one. Not so with the Playstation camera… And while I love the Gamepad, I’ll admit that 3rd parties haven’t done well with it. (I just got Resident Evil: Revelations on 3DS, because gyro aiming and touch item management, features on the 3DS version that the Wii U is capable of – were strangely absent in the Wii U version.) To me, this fight for graphics – especially now when it’s so much more effort for much less return, is looking like DVD vs Blu-Ray all over again. Everyone was too concerned with the fight between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray for the “format war” they forgot that while DVD was a bit upgrade from VHS, Blu-Ray had nothing to offer but a better image quality. Years later, Blu-Ray is the “winner” of that war, but DVD is still alive, well, and kicking Blu-Ray’s ass. It’s simple.. they must offer MORE than just a prettier picture, now more than ever. John Andalora I will happily agree with you that graphics are not a massive advantage. I still have more fun with NES and SNES games than some of these graphically superior games on modern consoles. It’s a worthless fight that doesn’t really have anything to gain. And I also will happily agree that most of what people focus on in “innovation” for appearances is foolish. However, I would make the suggestion that Blu-Ray is good for more than just improved visuals. It also has a very impressive memory bank. Perhaps some might consider it to be a flaw that the PS4 has to cache a certain amount of memory for each game to play it, but I appreciate it. I think that the bigger amount of memory on each disc will give worlds new potential to be bigger and better than games that surpassed it. Remember how big Wind Waker felt? I’m hoping that we’ll see things 10 times that big with the big ability to hold more and more memory per disc. A Wii U optimal disc can hold a maximum of 25 GB inside it. That’s pretty good. However, the Blu-Ray discs can hold about 50GB maximum on a dual layer. Call me a hopeless romantic, but I am hoping this is used less for graphical optimization, and more for sheer power and magnitude of the worlds we shall soon be allowed to explore. The Clockwork Being But lets look at this for a minute. A Wii U optical disc is 25GB. Add a layer and it becomes a dual layer Wii U disc at 50 GB. So it is basically a Blu-Ray disc… But there a some difference in the Wii U disc for it to be able to stand as a separate thing compared to the Bluray. But as long as GB goes they are the same. John Andalora Yes and no. See, the logic structure of the Wii U optical discs, though similar to the Blu-Ray, is different enough so Nintendo wouldn’t have to make licensing fees. As there’s no limitations I’ve seen that the optical discs can’t be dual layered, that makes sense. I think it is possible for the Wii U to read things with up to 50 GB. HOWEVER, the change with PS4 and Xbox One is that they have to put some of the memory from the game into the console. They have 500GB each, so this isn’t as much of a big deal. The Wii U has 32GB… Before people hate me, it’s still not quite certain how much is needed to be placed inside. I mean, this is quite common nowadays with having save files in the games, but caching part of the game is still somewhat new and frightening, and the Wii U might not be able to handle too much of that. It’s not for certain how much is needed to be cached before playing, but it seems to be a big enough deal that Sony placed it in their FAQ. The Clockwork Being ”See, the logic structure of the Wii U optical discs, though similar to the Blu-Ray, is different enough so Nintendo wouldn’t have to make licensing fees. As there’s no limitations I’ve seen that the optical discs can’t be dual layered, that makes sense. I think it is possible for the Wii U to read things with up to 50 GB.” This is pretty much what I was saying in the post you replied to. John Andalora Yeah, it was a late night… Anywho, the caching thing might still be a concern that the Wii U will have difficulty working with. Fred First of all Wii U has plenty of games. If you don’t see it let me know and I’ll list for you the games I own right now. Second for families like mine the true cost of the system presents a wider gap. I owned a Wii and a PS3 and when we play video games we like to get everyone involved. When I bought my Wii U I already had 4 controllers from my wii, but when I buy a PS4 I can’t use my PS3 controllers so I’ll have to buy 3 more PS4 controllers for $60 each. Plus the PS4 didn’t come with a game (another $60) like our Wii U did so for families like mine the cost of a Wii U is $299 and the cost of a PS4 is $639. That’s a BIG difference. I won’t be buying a PS4 this year (hopefully the price will come down soon), but we do own a Wii U. Lil J Moore You sir are awesome. People just love to ignore the big picture. With the WiiU not only did I save a lot of money not having to buy extra controllers and games with the BC. All I had to do was buy three games like Mario U, ZombiU, and AC3. Most Ps4 users don’t realize We have to pay for a game unless PS+ gives us Shadowfall and others for free. Which brings up another point we now have to pay for online with Sony now. So add that and your looking at over $650 to $700 easily. Truthteller Most system buyers know that you will have to buy games at some point. Lil J Moore DUH!!! Which is why I’m adding up the total. Plus there’s really no games worth it on the ps4 in its launch besides KZSF and Knack. Truthteller I guess those are for your kind of games. Those two don’t interest me, I am want it for Madden 25 and NBA 2K14. The Order looks good and the future does as well. See, with the PS4, I know it has a future and better games will come. With the Wii U, it’s future is uncertain and practically no game will come. Lil J Moore Besides BF4, the Order, Infamous SS, and the Evil Within there’s nothing I want. the sports games suck, Already got AC4 and IJ on WiiU. Don’t play Cod, don’t play games because they look pretty and half of the Indie titles look lame (sorry indie guys). Nintendo has no games for WiiU? So the great titles like BY2, DK, X, SMT/FE etc etc in the future mean nothing? Then you can say the same thing about the Ps4. I know your being bias, but don’t say nonsense. Truthteller I personally don’t like FPS. They look nice but I need to see the man that I am controlling, so I just stay away from them all.You can only play games because of their looks until you play them. Only Nintendo people say that graphics don’t matter simply because they are the only one’s lacking. Yes, those very small title mean ZERO. If that is all that is coming for 14′, that is VERY sad. The system cannot last too much past March. It can’t. Mabye if they had Mario Kart out by Xmas, it might help, but since they don’t it can’t. Lil J Moore Graphics don’t mean squat. What’s the point of having a beautiful looking game if the gameplay and story suck? Also Nintendo does great in the graphics department if they really wanted to. Look at Pikmin 3, WWHD, DKTF, Mario 3d World, X and Mario Kart 8 (which everybody states as the best looking game at E3). Look at the Wii games like Mario galaxy 1 and 2, DKR, Metriod OM, Sonic Colors, Xenoblades, etc. They look far better then most Ps3 and 360 games with the gameplay to back it up. Plus how do you know they aren’t coming out with titles for 14. Did they tell you that personally? PS4/WiiU I don’t think graphics matter at all, unless there is a huge difference. Now, there is almost no difference at all between games. If you look at PS3 compared to PS4, there is very minimal difference. Plus, Wii U runs at 1080p so what’s the difference. Truthteller Well, Nintendo people always started downplaying graphics ever since the Wii as a part of their marketing campaign. That does not fly today. There is not much difference between the Wii U and the 360/PS3 (unless they use optimized graphics), but there is a HUGE difference between the Wii U and the PS4. Now between the PS4 and the PS3..? Well that is different. Looking at current PS3 games, it is still on par, any games that look better on PS4 must take advantage of great RAM and cores. The Clockwork Being LOL ever since the Wii. When the gamecube was superior in graphics and tech we weren’t going around talking about superior graphics. Same for the 64 bit Nintendo 64 compared to the 32 bit of the other systems. Nintendo fans were humble as fuck. Nintendo fans have been about the gameplay for a long time and they still are. Truthteller BS. Nintendo people we arguing how their GC graphics were superior to the PS2’s since the PS2 was #1. I recall going into a Toy R Us when the GameCube came out to see the display. I did say to myself that it had better graphics. Poor marketing (design) made Nintendo fall. They have not stopped. Truthteller You are pushing mighty hard my man. You of course left out the game cost on the Wii U and for YOU you would not have to buy extra controllers, but others in you (alleged) position would have to so the prices are even, but the experiences and newness of the PS4 is superior. In case you guys have not realized it yet, coast is the not the determining factor this time around as the PS4 has the best all around deal PS4/WiiU What do you see that is more new in PS4, again, very minimal difference. Truthteller USB 3.0, 8-cores, GDDR5, 8GB RAM, 4K, Blu-Ray, separate chip for OS, online play, most advances graphics with more bandwidth AND speed than any other system. Oh yeah, and MANY GAMES! Yeah, all of that is minimal… PS4/WiiU You’re just a playstation fanboy so stick to ps4daily Hipster Victor But The PS4 isn’t perfect. You cant use bluetooth nor external harddrives would work. And there’s a lot of Wii U games that are unannounced or not coming soon. The PS4 would most likely have the same problem as the wii u did in regards of its predecessor (Ps3) is still alive and have 95% of the new games that are also coming to the PS4 Truthteller Nothing is perfect. Most do not care about bluetooth and they can fix external hard drive issues. The PS3’s main problem was the price. Once it was lowered, it sold. The PS4’s problem is NOT price as that are priced right, I don’t think that they have a problem right now. The Wii U’s problem is software. The X1’s problem is price and that Kinect 2. Hipster Victor I can agree with that. You’re alot more reasonable when your not criticizing harshly lol Truthteller Thanks. Fred you might be right for some or maybe even most, but for my family wii u was a no brainer PS4/WiiU what games do Xbox One and PS4 have? They have way less. And it’s all about the exclusives. If wii u didn’t have any exclusives I would never have bought one and would just have bought the PS4 Justagamer Wii U is the better console and can run at true 1080p and how many run that high on the next consoles…Not many …Research it Truthteller At least on the PS4, they all will. Most Wii U games don’t and that console does not have the power. On both next-gen consoles, 1080P/60 should be standard since these are new and they had more than enough time to get them together on the old ones. I also expect deep color on the graphics too. Maybe I asked for too much? The Clockwork Being ”On both next-gen consoles, 1080P/60 should be standard” – You Well i’ll have you know that both the PS4 and Wii U will run CoD:Ghost at 1080p/60fps while the X1 will be at 720p and 60fps. Yeah insult the Wii U for not being current gen like the PS4 and XboxOne. The Wii, PS3 and Xbox360 era is last gen not the current one. Truthteller OK? I don’t care about the X1. I have not heard that it would be 1080P/60 on the Wii U, but if so, will it have PS4 graphics to match or only resolution? starwars360 Wii U do have 1080p. God go do some research then comeback. You making so much fail and lazy!!! Justagamer agreed The Clockwork Being I never said you did. Referring to this quote here: ”On both next-gen consoles, 1080P/60 should be standard” You were talking about 1080p being the standard but you said you don’t care about the X1 and since you really like the PS4 and are addicted to the Wii U thats means you were talking about the Wii U and PS4 when you said they would be the 2 next-gen console with 1080/60fps standard. Wow so you really do like the Wii U since you hold in high regards with the PS4 as the 2 next-gen consoles. Thats great to hear! starwars360 You talk like badly shitty. Wii U got power but not power then Xbox One or PS4. Wii U got power, Wii U got power and Wiiiiiiiiiiiiii uuuuuuuuuuu GOT POWER!!! Go read and understand about real gaming then comeback here. Your not truthteller. You name is Failteller. Justagamer Dude are you mental? You have proven one thing you are a sony fanboy…You need to get out more and get out of your basement Justagamer Man if i want a awesome looking games i have my PC The Wii U has fun games so can your ps4 stand against my PC..i don’t think so..now It’s way past your bedtime boy Ducked Hmmmm…..Bayonetta 2…..and there’s Mario Kart 8….and then there’s the next Super Smash Bros…..and that new Legend of Zelda game…..and the system was just released back in November….so there’s a whole lot of unannounced games out there. How is that no future? And The Wii U gamepad is way more futuristic then the kinect 2.0 or the Dualshock 4. So please, just leave Wii U daily. I don’t know anyone that is proud to look like a complete idiot on the internet, so if that is your goal, then your succeeding. Seriously, stop kissing other consoles asses because they have more power. If you think gaming is based off of graphics, then you’re just embarrassing. Truthteller You people keep naming the same old games, half of which won’t see the light of day on a Wii U. I would be more impressed if you could match those titles with other titles, even weak ones. Unannounced games are phantom games or guesses. A year out, things should be together, but since it has failed, this is why there is nothing. I don’t care whose game pad is better and I doubt that most would consider the Kinect 2 a game pad and I doubt that they even care about it. I also do not praise consoles simple because of power but their potential based on company history. I NEVER hear MS or Sony people debating over not worrying about power. Only the one with the little wii wii does. Ducked It’s funny that you keep saying we’re naming the same games over and over, when you haven’t named a SINGLE game that will help the PS4 and Xbox One bury it in the ground. What games do those consoles have that are so great? What features do both of those consoles have that can whup Wii U away. Truth is, PS4 and Xbox One only bring better graphics in the next gen. Wii U is actually trying to revolutionize the next gen with the gamepad. And you saying the games I mentioned won’t even see the light of day is to funny. You think Nintendo won’t have the money? Do you know how much money the DS and Wii made? Not counting how well the 3DS is selling on the market. Sales are already rising, their not impressing, but they’re rising from a HD remake game. You go on this day every day saying how much the Wii U is doomed, when you have no logical proof. If you think Wii U is doomed so much, then why do you write in Wii U Daily every day? You either secretly like the Wii U, or you’re nervous that Nintendo will once again win the 8th gen. I’ve been a PlayStation gamer since the PS1 days, and back then, we didn’t insult other consoles and write doom and gloom to make us feel better, or safe. What’re you getting by bashing the Wii U every day while your munching on your doritos and drinking mtn dew? Nothing. PatcherStation In the UK, Nintendo would have to sell the 8GB Wii U with a crap game (Nintendo Land) in a cardboard sleeve for £149.99 for it to start shifting. Fred Nintendo Land is NOT a crap game Fred Do you think that X will significantly impact Wii U sales? NkoSekirei yes it will after we saw the trailer it looks bad@$$ and it will help the wii u fly off shelves greengecko007 It looks like an RPG for people that only own a Wii U as their next gen console will buy. Other AAA RPGs such as The Witcher 3, Elder Scrolls Online, and Dragon Age 3 look much more interesting. Hipster Victor OfCOURSE….In Japan atleast. Im not sure about the U.S :/ its not rpg like Skyrim Ducked I can be so stupid sometimes, I keep forgetting X! Justagamer I agree Ducked Why thank you 🙂 Gabe Hoffman I am sure there will be TV commercials for this game BIG Franky me too…. but why the hell aren’t they running already? they should be on TV already! Gabe Hoffman Why did I get down voted there is bound to be a commercial. Nintendo usually airs commercials closer to the games release themizarkshow How won’t it sell like crazy? There is a cat suit in it. Everyone loves cats, therefore everyone wants to be Cat Mario. CCM Not everyone loves cats. I’m allergic as hell to them and don’t trust them. I’m a dog person. I’d say more like 50% of people love cats – which is still a lot of people so your point is still valid. themizarkshow They just have to hope that all dog owners already have the system. Gotta grab that holdout cat owner market. Nintedward It would of sold more if they put an online mode into it and advertised the crap out of that. Imagine an advert on tv showing 4 player online coop Mario… The game will still be fantastic and sell well, I’m just sayin. Mr. J If only my wallet was bigger! Fred If only I had enough time to play all these awesome games. Time is the only reason I still haven’t bought Wonderful 101 I know I’ll enjoy it. Decker Shado My wallet is plenty big – I’m just crap at collecting rupees. 🙁 david jarman I am super stoked for this game!!!! Justagamer It’s funny how they have the new zelda bundle and new zelda game and mario 3dworld and a new mario party game come out on the same day as the xbox one a huge facepalm to microsoft i think because zelda and mario sell..Let the games begin. Justagamer Now this will sell like hot cakes ScrewAttack Wouldn’t mind one o’ those meself…hrmm Douwe de vries pre-ordered it today. but now the long wait… 3 more weeks… the agony :s Justagamer I know and im so ready PS4/WiiU I don’t get the point of pre-ordering, you have to pay an extra 5$ and for what. I just wait until the 22nd and go to the store immediately. The only reason I would pre-order is if has a bonus like free DLC or something Justagamer Good luck finding one than On black friday PS4/WiiU games rarely come out on black Friday. And even if they do, their price won’t be lower because they just came out Justagamer True but good luck find something like this in less you preordered PS4/WiiU I didn’t pre order pokemon x and I was still able to get it. Even though there was 4 million copies sold in a week. I never went to a store and it was sold out. Except if you’re going to second or third day. Justagamer Well i always pre order games because you never know PS4/WiiU you’re right, but you have to pay 5$ extra though. If it wasn’t for that I would probably pre-order Guest Uh…no. That $5 is foor the purchase of the game so instead of paying $64 you’ll be paying $59. Douwe de vries In the Netherlands you don’t pay extra for a pre-order. Plus my gameshop said i should not wait to long to pre-order because they have a limited supply and the special 3ds is very popular. I haven’t pre-ordered any games though. The supply (in theory) is endless hence no problem with availability. NkoSekirei who the hell is downvoting u seriously the fking trolls need to get a life CMB I’m wondering that too, I mean I see no sign of that one downvote troll anywhere Justagamer People hate the truth Justagamer They can’t They are to ashamed to show their face Justagamer I could care less..In the end Wii U will win this christmas due to price Pikachief “we are not in a position where we can change the fate of the system with just one title.” -Iwata BIG Franky I was just at walmart and they have the playable Wii U station with multiple demos…. SM3DW was one of the available demos, as was WWHD, Rayman Legends, W101, Disney’s Planes… and maybe a couple of others. there was a lot of people huddled around the machine in the electronics department taking turns playing…. it was definitely generating interest…. BUT, that being said…. I understand Nintendo likes to sell experiences (hence the kiosks in every department store), the NEED to start some traditional marketing avenues…. there is NO REASON there shouldn’t be a SM3DW advertisement on every break during “Its The Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown!” on tonight on ABC…. or constant ad rotation for SM3DW, Zelda, Wii Party, W101, Sonic Lost World, and/or Rayman Legends on Disney Channel and Cartoon Network….. its ridiculous how they refuse to run advertisements. Justagamer There will always be haters and it’s sad but let them ..The Wii U will do fine near the end of the year PS4/WiiU I actually doubt that even though the wii u is amazing. Especially with all the games that are coming out. One thing for sure, when Mario kart 8, the new Zelda and super smash come out, wii u sales will rocket Justagamer I disagree…The price will decide who will win and right now Most of the games on the other two are also on Wii U and nether PS4 or Xbox one have alot of games coming day one and like i sadi most are on wii u like AC4 and COD G and a few others and as for sports games that won’t get most people to get ithem and True the real fans will come in groves for what consoles they want but after that it will be be people who can’t afford 400 or 500 dollars for a gaming console will go with Wii U and so yeah i still think wii u will come on top PS4/WiiU Everything you say is right and I agree completely but I still don’t think it will come on top. Hopefully i’m wrong Justagamer Lets wait till after christmas and maybe im right or wrong but my gut yes it will PS4/WiiU I hope you are PS4/WiiU I still think I will get a wii u only since I love it so far and I haven’t stopped playing it since I first I first go it on launch. I probably will get a ps4 though but only when the price drops in like two years or so. crocodileman94 True, but they have to know that it’s a new console to buy it. Hipster Victor I know, I’m gonna get my Wii U bundle this christmas :3 Hipster Victor I agree. Nintendo’s current problem is the Wii U’s Advertisements All they need is to pay a couple of thousand dollars worth of advertisements and the Wii U will finally pay off. gtosheex they should just drop a couple mil – we all know they can afford it. oontz “All they need is to pay a couple of thousand dollars worth of advertisements” A couple of thousand? What is this 1920? A couple of thousand will get you some space in a local paper, lol andrewjcole Lucky! All I have at mine is Rayman Legends and NSMBU, which was recently added. BIG Franky Yeah…. i’m not sure what determines when these kiosks are updated… I asked the guy at my local Gamestop and he said he never knows its updated until someone tells him as I guess the demo’s are downloaded automatically…. but his has Zelda WindWaker on his and W101 but no SM3DW… interesting Nate Nintendo advertised during the World Series….for the 3DS. Michael Ocampo Now that I look at all four characters together closely in cat suits… Mario’s suit is the only one that isn’t the same color as him. They still look awesome though. Squid If It does what super Mario land did for 3DS that would be great. ScrewAttack Well, if anticipation is similar elsewhere to how it is where I am now (we’re all dying for the 22nd!), then sure I could see it selling damn well. Watching videos, it feels more like an expansion of Super Mario 64 than Galaxy ever did (to me). CCM Exactly what I was thinking! A lot of people are $hitting on this game because it’s not Mario Galaxy 3, but if it’s more reminiscent of Super Mario 64 how is that a bad thing? Guest It’s too bad Pikmin 3 hasn’t done as well as Nintendo hoped, I know it’s on my Christmas list. Justagamer It is a awesome game Hulkamania i got pikmin 3 from ebay for 99 cents, thanks to a 50 dollar coupon. Louie It isn’t good enough to have these games coming out when nobody knows they exist or which console it is for, Nintendo need to start advertising what the Wii U is and do a hype reel of all the great games they have now or are coming out soon (sonic lost world, Pikmin, Nintendoland, MH3U, COD, AC, SM3dW etc) and the low price and surely that will make the Wii U a popular Christmas gift this year, If Nintendo don’t start the advertising now, it will be too late people would have already invested in other consoles for Christmas and Nintendo cannot have another slow year of sales for the Wii U… Please Nintendo hurry up or Sony will sell the most consoles as they have been advertising the hell out of the ps3 recently… EDIT: buy the way im not anti PS3, i just noticed Sony were advertising a lot, I just want Nintendo to take their share of Christmas sales PS4/WiiU Nintendo were advertising when wii u came out. Now, sony is advertising cuz their console is coming out. And people know for what console games are coming out. If you see Mario, Zelda, donkey kong etc. You already know it’s for wii u Louie Actually Sony were advertising the PS3 not the PS4…. don’t know why they chose to advertise a 6 year old console instead of the PS4 but anyway, Nintendo only advertised the Wii u at the start of its lifespan very briefly, the adverts then stopped and then I was left waiting to see the advertising campaign start, i only saw 1 ad for Pikmin 3 on TV, nothing for sonic, nothing for wind waker (i wish they would advertise WW as it could become a HUGE thing if enough people know about it) I didn’t even see ads for MH3U for Wii U, I saw plenty for the 3ds version but not Wii U. people are still unclear on the Wii U Nintendo should start very soon and advertise all their games otherwise it will stay the slow seller that it has been so far, and that doesn’t seem right as it is a great console with great games that deserve more recognition…. PS4/WiiU that is true, but I have still seen at least 5 tv advertisements on wii u jhell the wii u is going to be just find Jon I am assuming you mean “fine” but I do agree. It probably won’t kill the other two like the Wii did, it might be at the bottom of the three but I think it’ll do ok despite what people are saying. QuizmasterBos Although I believe Super Mario 3D World will sell rather well, Nintendo is definitely not going to reach their prospected sales of 9 million consoles by the end of the year. In case you are wondering how seemingly impossible that is to reach, Nintendo would need to more than double their Wii U sales in 2 months time. When Mario Kart 8 rolls around, things will start looking up a bit more I bet. But Nintendo really needs to have some more realistic expectations. Makakilo_Man The more I learn about this game the more I want it. . . . But that’s just the problem. Lots of the appealing aspects of the game weren’t made known until the past few weeks. Nintendo needs to do a better job of getting the word out. Without checking Wii U Daily I would have thought that this was just a console version of Super Mario 3D Land, which would have been a big mistake. It’s much more than that. QuizmasterBos (A little analysis from me. I hope you don’t mind the read) Aside from Super Mario 3D World, Nintendo believes Mario and Sonic at Sochi, Wii Sports Club and Wii Fit U to help boost Wii U sales as well, which would work, except that Nintendo is forgetting one thing: The Wii U is no Wii. Nintendo made (in my opinion) a huge mistakes by naming the Wii U after the Wii. Hoping to cash in on the millions of casual players, Nintendo named their system that way. Problem is, it doesn’t work like that. All casual players have smartphones and tablets to satiate their game hunger. They want a light snack,not a 3-course meal. Also, the Wii U provides no easy way to show how the system works. Every person in the world understands how a Wiimote works: You just swing it. A Wii U Gamepad is quite a bit more complicated than that. Even with the Wiimote support, this is not enough to lure casual players into buying 300 dollar hardware, as well as 50+ dollars for every game. A much cheaper (and for the casual player, better) alternative is to get a tablet and download a bunch of free apps, or spend a few dollar on a small “game”. I think Nintendo underestimates the casual market, or even the market in general. Nintendo is innovative in one way and yet not up to date in the other. I mean, the Wii and DS are both good innovative ideas, yet the N64 used cartidges, when they should’ve gone for discs and the GameCube had no DVD-player, which could’ve helped the system. What I think Nintendo needs to do is take a good look at the history of games and study the market, THEN make decisions, not the other way around. That concludes my little analysis. Sorry I went off on a tangent. Jon Wii fit U and Wii Sports will probably help alot. Sonic and Mario maybe…. they have not always been the most popular but with online play, we might see an increase in interests. It’ll be interesting to see how the game plays out 🙂 Rinslowe “Iwata believes Super Mario 3D World will be a key title this holiday season” I’d say Mr Iwata’san has a point… lonewolf88 just gonna get this off meh chest if ign and other reviewers review this with a bad score then someone must be sabotaging nintendo i mean all they’ve said are good things about the gameplay and oh this and this is awesome! if they give it a bad score someone needs to be fired lol even though i know the game is going to be great reviewers do have a impact on the newer fan base and i’m saying this because look at lost world they gave it praise yet at the end it got a bad score yet the gameplay and everything was the same? its a little fishy to me. Wiiluigi I’m so hyped for this game. Needs to get here now. This tittle will be key! TwinTails It will sell well on it’s own merits, no doubt about it. It’s a Mario game after all. It just has to sell enough Wii Us in conjunction with the other 3 games coming this holiday. And that seems pretty likely after I showed the 2nd trailer to a friend of mine in school the other day. She was completely sold on getting a Wii U after seeing the footage. Now, to ensure that more people have the same experience she did, they must focus all advertising on the Wii U and these 4 games, and axe the Wii and most of it’s related accessories in North America before Black Friday. BrandonIsAGod I haven’t seen 1 Wii U commercial on TV while I’m already seeing PS4 commercials. If Nintendo wants to solve the issue with the lack of console sales, they’re kind of going to have to actually advertise and market their products. I still have friends who think that the Wii U is an accessory for the original Wii… Sucks to see the company that I love do such a poor marketing job. Ryan House I haven’t seen a TV commercial for Video games until the PS4 ones. I guess I don’t watch Networks sponsored by Video game Companies. I don’t understand why Canadians Still have G4TV yet there isn’t much on it oontz This is the worst launch date choice I’ve ever seen. No way will people be buying this game if they’ve just bought and paid for a new system from Sony or MS. NO WAY! I know I’m not alone when I say that I’ll be buying this game when it’s on sale in a few months. I’ll be too busy playing my brand new Ps4 to even care about this title for a long time. Sorry Nintendo, too little, too late. This should have been a launch/launch window title. As much as I love Nintendo I don’t see this game moving systems like everyone hopes. The only people buying this on launch day are wiiu ONLY gamers, who are of the minority in the gaming world. Shigeru Miyamoto I don’t understand why they don’t advertise their console. Do they want to fail?… Daniel Gonzalez Seems so. ItzameyaToad They have advertised just not as strong as WE think they should. Believe me Nintendo knows what there doing more than we do hence why they are a hugely successful company. I think though that they will most likely ramp up more advertisements in the coming months especially since they have such a strong lineup of exclusive games. All it takes is a sizzle reel of all there exclusive games out now as well as future games and a tv commercial during one of the bowl games and Nintendo will have done a great job increasing awareness of the Wii U. oontz “Believe me Nintendo knows what there doing” If this were true then the wiiu would be a success just like the 3ds. Lil J Moore What happen in the 3ds’s first year? oontz The 3ds is NOT a home console fighting for control of a families living room/home theatre. Ryan Culbreath ports are actually only watered down because of the third parties trying to get their games onto the system at the same time as the last gen systems forcing them to omit features on the wii u, get your facts straight fool oontz LOL, you’re an idiot. It doesn’t matter why features are omitted… it only matters that they are. You think the average consumer cares about why?? Ha ha ha… consumers care about which is better and the cross platform wiiu versions usually aren’t. So why would someone about to spend their hard earned money choose an inferior product (regardless as to reason why it’s inferior)? They wouldn’t and obviously aren’t. Yet you call ME a fool! Ryan Culbreath Yes because you were wildly incorrect by saying the features were omitted because the system is “inferior”so yes you are an idiot Ryan Culbreath Don’t try to change what you said, we weren’t talking about what fans think, you are obviously retarded because you said the games were lacking features due to system limitations which is not the case, so go home you obviously have no idea what youre talking about Ryan Culbreath You’re so dumb it hurts, no one was talking about what fans think, you said features were omitted due to system limitations which is wildly correct, so go home, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about oontz Wow are you mentally handicapped in some way? Or do you just lack basic reading skills? I never once said features were omitted because of system limitations. I also wasn’t talking about what “fans” think, because the “fans” have already bought the wiiu you tool. in·fe·ri·or: adjective 1.lower in rank, status, or quality. Yes multiplatform GAMES that (as you put) have features omitted automatically make them lower in rank, status, or quality; i.e, inferior. Ryan Culbreath You are literally so dumb it hurts, no one said anything about what the fans think. You stated that features were omitted due to system limitations which is wildly inaccurate, so go home and read up until you know what you are talking about clown ItzameyaToad Just because the sales aren’t that strong doesn’t mean they don’t know what they are doing or have a plan to make it a success. Say what you will but 3DS wasn’t a success it’s first year and now it is selling like hotcakes. Nintendo knows how to market there shit they just haven’t hit there groove yet. oontz “Just because the sales aren’t that strong doesn’t mean they don’t know what they are doing or have a plan to make it a success.” Yeah it kinda does. They had PLANNED for the wiiu to sell 9 million consoles this year. They’ve sold less than 500k in the past 6 months, that is horrible. They don’t know how to make the wiiu a success or it would already be a success. On top of that the 3ds is NOT a home console fighting for control of a families living room/home theatre. It’s painfully obvious that nintendo tried to duplicate the success of the 3ds with the gamepad and the promise of asymmetrical gameplay at home. But the truth is they have actually squandered an entire year in the next gen market alone, without any competition and have failed to prove with even their own First party exclusive IPs why the gamepad matters and is the future of gaming. They can’t even beat the ps3 and 360 at similar price points, what makes you think they will beat their big brothers? I love Nintendo and their games but they messed up really bad this generation. Really bad. ItzameyaToad To start off I said they know what they are doing and I ment they know what they are doing. They didn’t get to the point they are at to not know how to market a console/make it a success. And we can just look at the success/marketing genius the Wii brought out of Nintendo. I think Nintendo planned on the Wii U selling at least 9 million originally because 3rd party support was strong in the beginning but then 3rd parties started to abandon Wii U thus throwing Nintendo’s original plan to have 3rd parties support the console to allow more dev time on some of there games. So yeah in some ways it is Nintendo’s fault but I think they planned the console one way and it turned around the opposite way. And you can’t be serious comparing a newly launching consoles sales with a 7-8 year old console(s)? Consoles that are cheaper, have alot of cheap games, have huge libraries of available games to a console that launched not even a year ago. And while yes I think they have made some mistakes I don’t think they where such bad mistakes that the console is in bad shape. Yeah it could be in better shape and yeah Nintendo missed some opportunities but nothing that would throw it under the bus. And I think Nintendo HAS proven why the Wii U gamepad is great for gameplay I just don’t think the games released prior to Wind Waker where attention grabbers especially Wonderful 101 since it is a new franchise. I think once more people pick up the Wii U the usefulness of the gamepad will click for alot of people. “but they messed up really bad this generation. Really bad.” How so? They have sold roughly 4 million Wii U’s in it’s first year without really any 3rd party support, has gathered a great lineup of exclusives and is set to get more great exclusives in the coming months and you think they have messed up? Wii U will be fine and will pick up alot of sales this holiday season as well as during the spring of next year when there heavy hitters will be released. Like I said before Nintendo knows what they are doing and have a plan worked out to make the Wii U a success. oontz “They didn’t get to the point they are at to not know how to market a console/make it a success.” The got to the point they are now because of brand recognition. Which they bullishly thought they could ride high on into this generation. But they were very wrong. “So yeah in some ways it is Nintendo’s fault” In all ways it’s their fault. It’s not called the EA sports wiiu or the Capcom Wiiu… It’s the Nintendo Wiiu. It’s their product they are responsible for its success and possible failure. No one else. “And you can’t be serious comparing a newly launching consoles sales with a 7-8 year old console(s)?” Yes I can, and I am not alone. The wiiu gets watered down ports of games that are superior on the other consoles. People see this and see the wiiu as an inferior product. Why would they spend their hard earned money on a product that is brand new but has inferior games compared to an 8 year old system. “I think Nintendo HAS proven why the Wii U gamepad is great for gameplay” Not even with their own games like pikmin 3 do they use the gamepad in revolutionary ways. Pikmin 3 could’ve been amazing with the gamepad, if nintendo actually splurged and went with a multi touch screen in the gamepad. You could’ve had true touch control of all your pikmin. The gamepad is always delegated to map and item duty and used mainly for off screen play. WOW groundbreaking. The only game to show the true potential was Zombie u, which didn’t even do well enough to warrant a sequel. “They have sold roughly 4 million Wii U’s in it’s first year” Only 4 million… when they were the only next gen console on the market for the ENTIRE calendar year. Even some months being beat by the PSVita. You think this is a good thing? LOL “Wii U will be fine and will pick up a lot of sales this holiday season as well as during the spring of next year when there heavy hitters will be released.” The same old broken record pitch being spewed by not only Nintendo but their legion of fanboys, riding the sinking ship into the ocean. “Like I said before Nintendo knows what they are doing and have a plan worked out to make the Wii U a success.” If they had a plan, you don’t think they’d be initiating that plan now? Why would a company (that has a master plan to turn around a product’s success) wait? They wouldn’t. Nate Even the Nintendo e-mail updates I signed up for arrive a few days or weeks after new releases. By the time I receive them everything is old news and I found out about it elsewhere. Doesn’t make any sense. Almost everything Nintendo is doing seems just a little off. Anthony Williams Halloween is over and the holiday season is in full swing. It’s time for Nintendo to crank ads up. I won’t pretend to know what’s going on at Nintendo but, if you haven’t heard Wii Fit U is available as a free 30 day trial to anyone with a connected wii U and a balance board. What an opportunity to get people who used Wii Fit to finally upgrade to the Wii U. This should be promoted as part of a limited time holiday addition to any and all Wii U bundles. You add this with the growing number of quality games including a potential hit with SM3DW will make the Wii U a console to consider for everyone. alex toschi It’s not going to sell nearly as much as it should if you don’t advertise the game on television Nintendo! Jacob D. Taylor Strong ADVERTISING campaign. The MARKETING campaign began FAAAR before any ads were ever even considered. devmiles i think the title will do well, at least most of the wii-u owners (including me) will get this. still i think it won’t boost wii-u sales extremely since the ps4 will enter stage around that time so the option of which console to get will be fairly easy. Cyberus Did we need Iwata to tell us that a Mario game will sell well? Suraj Alexander more support people https://www.change.org/petitions/bungie-and-activision-release-the-upcoming-title-destiny-on-the-wii-u ItzameyaToad Do people honestly think Nintendo isn’t going to crank the ads out come Christmas time? This is one of there bigger games with a strong lineup of exclusive titles already released I think they would be stupid to not do advertising. Really though they did a great job advertising Wind Waker HD, had the launch trailer for it on alot of the ads before videos I watched on Youtube. If only they can keep that up and maybe make a big sizzle reel of all the Wii U’s exclusive games in action as well as secure some good Tv advertisement they will be golden. One great idea would be to focus on key events in certain states, advertise during the OU/OSU game and millions of Oklahoman’s will see the commercials etc. Mj78 Doesn’t he say this about most games? Wii u is over. jjbredesen What Nintendo needs is proper advertising! Yes games help, but how do you sell a system that nobody knows abou? I love the Wii U, but Nintendo needs to put a good trailer on TV. I live in norway and the Tv advert for Wii U is crap. Of course Smash bros and MK8 will help, but not as much as people are saying. We need to spread the Wii U around the internett and tell people about it, cause nintendo obviosly will not. If more people know about the Wii U and then games come out the Wii U wil be fine. baconninja how could they expect their games to sell like hotcakes if there is no dam advertisement i havent seen any pikmen 3 or w101 ads anywhere on tv since the games released Gotallofthem They are usually advertised on kids channels, also I saw a couple of ads on comedy central, and syfy CCM Nintendo’s had a FULL YEAR to impress me with the Wii U and honestly they’ve come up short. Short on games, short on announcements or even acknowledging games we all want (Metroid, Starfox, F-Zero etc), short on proper advertising of the few good games the Wii U does have, short on hope for the future. Don’t get me wrong I’m not selling my Wii U and I plan on buying Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong, Smash and Kart, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t excited as hell that in 2 weeks from today I’ll be playing my PS4! PS4 = primary console, Wii U = same as N64, GameCube & Wii – secondary console for mainly 1st party Nintendo titles. Unfortunately it’s just the way it is. oontz “PS4 = primary console, Wii U = same as N64, GameCube & Wii – secondary console for mainly 1st party Nintendo titles.” This is EXACTLY the same situation I’m in! Ryan Culbreath I think this is the most accurate comment on here although this time around im trying to keep my wii u as my primary system, I currently have 12 wii u title and love them all and plan on broadening my collection further but I prey someone in my family gets a ps4 or x1 Gotallofthem I had My Xbox and 360 as 1st (currenly have all systems including ps3 and 360), and GC and Wii as second before. This time around Its the otherway around, I will not be getting the X1 or the PS4 anytime soon. WiiU is my primary and I have purchased a bunch of games for it so far including 3 this past week and 3 4 weeks ago. Maybe 3-4 years down the line I will get the X1 (simply cause I’m a Halo fan), when the price is perhaps 300 bucks or less. Or maybe I’ll finally just build that PC rig I’v been meaning to put together (or maybe just see what this steambox is going to be), we shall see. But for now its all WiiU for me, Including COD Ghosts on the “U” TONIGHT! companyoflosers idk, i personally am not into mario games to begin with but i feel no urge to really get this game. i am a proud wii u owner as well though and i want the system to do well but i just feel like maybe if they had actually done a sequel to sunshine or even a new concept altogether, the wii u might be getting more attention than this game will get it. who knows though, i also think a new wii u zelda would get it more attention despite knowing zelda isnt for everyone so i could be wrong. the vids of 3d world just dont speak to me at all. idk what really even COULD speak to me about a mario game. though i have good memories of sunshine for some reason. Connor Devlin And its true. slade6alpha I only see Nintendo commercials on Nick, they need to branch out. I understand about target demogrphics, but why not try it on Prime time on big networks. And yes, I do understand budget, but I feel this could be worth it. What do I know though, just another forum dweller. Shigeru Miyamoto I…. i think…. I think I haven’t been impressed with Nintendo consoles since GameCube. i didn’t like Wii… and i thought …. i thought the Wii U would be some awesome amazing High Def Nintendo Console with tons of everything i didn’t know i wanted. I felt so betrayed by Nintendo with the Wii… all that crap they dare called games. I was so excited when i played Rayman Legends, i bought a wii u two days after playing it because Rayman was releasing in a week…. well we all know what happened then…. and since then… i haven’t been impressed with one game. I feel like i wasted my money. sure i know a few games that are coming. Mario3dworld. kart and smash bros. but What else ya got Nintendo?…. What are you going to do for the next six years? cuz every nintendo console has only had one installment of each game you have coming out spring 2014 (which should have been launch games) GET IWATA outta there!!!! improve 3rd Party relations! the 3DS is Amazing! I haven’t loved a handheld since gameboy color! it’s incredible! it’s ….it’s better than their Home Console?! …. damn! Jelle Knibbe Crap they called games. Sorry, but Mario Kart Wii, Brawl, both the Galaxies, two Zelda’s, Xenoblade, Prime 3, DKCR and NSMBW say otherwise. But I guess you haven’t played them, I guess you saw something different and immediatly hated it. Say that to someone in a wheelchair. Or someone with a different skin color. Different, but just as good. Shigeru Miyamoto why are you talking about disabled people and race? That’s horribly out of context to what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a video game console. It’s my opinion, I think mario Galaxy is crap Mario game. I think it would have been better to put that new game play with a different all new character in it. the only good zelda game is Twilight princess and that was really meant for Gamecube. Skyward sucks and most people agree. DKR was alright. so was kart. Brawl wasn’t better compared to melee in my opinion. I don’t like the wii it was flooded with casual crap. it’s the worse console Nintendo ever put out. I don’t care if it’s their most successful .. to me it’s their worse. So Jelle Knibbe don’t get all defensive on me just because I have a different opinion than you. If you Like Wii and Wii U. than good for you! i Haven’t played a single game YET that has made me like it. But hopefully that all changes with Super Mario 3D World. Jelle Knibbe Then let me ask you again. Have you played one of the Galaxies? Because from what I can tell, you haven’t. Also, it’s called an example. Would I be less of a person if I wasm’t autistic? No. I am. I’m different. But that doesn’t make me good or bad. And I would like to have your opinion based on something. So again: Have you played one of the Galaxies? If so, than you indeed have a based opinion that I (and a ton of other people, Eurogamer for example) do not share. But if you haven’t, don’t even bother to reply. I will not start a discussion with a bias dipshit who who bases his ‘opinions’ on a trailers and demo’s instead of full games. If you have an opinion based on something, I will respect, just as you did with mine. If you wouldn’t have done that, I wouldn’t have bothered to write a reply the size of an essay. Thank you for that:) EDIT: So what about the 3DS? Shigeru Miyamoto Yes i’ve Played Mario Galaxy, and in my opinion it was a pretty good game and i like the story but as far as a mario game … again in my opinion it’s crap. I enjoyed Mario Galaxy much more than MG2. I think Mario Galaxy would have been a better game if they took this new Gameplay feature and idea and made a new character instead of a familiar franchise character Mario. But … I’m excited for 3DWorld… oh and to answer your other question. . YES the 3DS is one of the best handhelds…NO it IS the BEST handheld I’ve ever owned! I haven’t had that much fun playing a handheld since the original GameBoy when i was a kid back in the early 90’s. I just don’t care too much for the 3D effect… just how i don’t care too much for the gamepad… but it is cool. but i prefer the Wii U Pro controller… just got one last night and WOW i can’t believe i didn’t buy one sooner! it’s amazing. Jelle Knibbe I can’t see much about SMG anymore, it’s obvious we have different opinions and standards. As for the 3DS, I completely agree, except that I avtually do use the 3D-effect some times. The biggest problem I see with it is its lack of a good communication-tool. Swapnote wasn’t all that good, but it was at least something. Now we have to tell each other when to come online in that 16-sign status in the Friend List. God I hope MiiVerse’ll be added soon. Other than that, the 3DS as a system is pretty much perfect, really. Turning back to home consoles: The GamePad works just fine for me, so I probably won’t buy a pro any time soon, as I’d only use it sporadically for Multiplayer. And while 50 bucks is still overpriced, it lasts 80 hours and comes with a charging cable. The same can’t be said about the PS4 or Xbone controller. Especially not the Xbox one. 60 for a controller, and another 20 to charge it properly? What were they thinking? Oh yeah, MONEY:) Shigeru Miyamoto I know i thought the same thing… it’s pricey but I finally got a Wii U Pro Controller and i’m so glad i did.. you have to get one eventually. you’ll won’t be disappointed i can promise u that. i agree miiverse is the way to go. if it doesn’t come to 3 DS you know it will come to the next generation 3DS. ATherohatch Looks great but i still think nintendo should have made a different mario game either something completely different or a sunshine 2 😀 farrellbr I can’t c=wait for this game to come out Xavier Lopez Chabelo Wowowowowowow… careful Iwata!! By saying that, many people can misunderstand your comment. Basically he is saying that the only game that can help the Wii U is Mario 3D World… so what happens to Wind Waker, W101, Pikmin3 and also some key third party titles like AC IV, Sonic and Batman? Just saying… William Cole Iwata would be correct. This is my favorite Mario game besides 64 and Galaxy even though I haven’t played it!