Rumors are coming in that up to 10 developers have returned their untouched Wii U developer kits to Nintendo. Currently 9 of the rumored 10 are unknown, but earlier this week one stepped forward to admit they had no idea how to use the hardware. Avalance Studios, the developers of the popular Just Cause series, stated that they had initial plans to develop new games for the Wii U but felt lost as to what to develop. The studio mentions that they believe the Wii U is a “cool” idea, but that it’s not the right direction for their studio. According to Avalanche, there was no contact from Nintendo and themselves, so there was no incentive to develop. Apparently this is common among third party developers and could be the reason that Wii U owners are not seeing DLC for popular titles. It was announced that Injustice: Gods Among Us will receive DLC support this summer after several weeks of radio silence, but according to developer NetherRealm Studios, that’s because Nintendo wasn’t talking to them about how to distribute the DLC. Of course, Nintendo was giving away Wii U dev kits to third-party developers a few months back, so it could be that one of these developers simply decided not to go through with the deal. We won’t know until more step forward, but it’s interesting to see the behind the scenes with Nintendo and third-party developers. If these rumors are true, Nintendo is going to have to step up the ball and treat third-party developers better than this. [via DashHacks] local_offer Nintendo wii u wii u dev kit Wii U developer stars Further Reading Nintendo loses patent appeal, ordered to pay Nintendo was brainstorming about Switch when jesse “Several Wii u dev kits return to Nintendo untouched” then you state that only one was returned… “9 out of 10 are unknown” what a gatekeeping piece of crap article this is. It should just state that 1 dev kit was returned by a company who has made 1 good game Joey Perez agreed no one comment on this after me so we dont give this page as many hits…. its crap. John Pope STFU! Joey Perez Cute ur panties got in a bunch…lol Adrian I think you mean, “Rumor: Several Wii u dev kits return to Nintendo untouched.” Kind of forgetting a crucial word there in your criticism. Oblivion I believe he intended to say that 9 of the 10 developers that returned the dev units were known. Bob Wilkerson Well not everyone is going to get the concepts of the Wii U but I keep hearing conflicting reports when it comes to Nintendo. Some developers say it is easy and a pleasure to work with Nintendo and other say they have a hard time contacting them or getting information from them on their products. Jeffery02 This is very true. Maybe Nintendo has a backlog of companies to get in touch with and they are not used to getting all this DLC. Nintendo may just give some companies more priority. Hopefully they can pick it up though and make the Wii U a force to be reckoned with. I will always back Nintendo until the end. Bob Wilkerson That may be true and If Nintendo is backlogged they need to get on fixing that issue ASAP otherwise they will alienate more developers. What I don’t get is these developers that have been in the game (no pun intended) for a long time that admit that they won’t even try or give a half assed effort and say that it just doesn’t work. Wayne Beck Truthfully, what is likely going on is that Nintendo is Actively reaching out to New Developers who do not have a lot of Experience in the Console Space but leaving it to the Seasoned Developers to put in the effort themselves. You would be amazed by the Number of Developers who simply won’t call first party with a question out of Sheer Pride and then Blame the First Party. This isn’t an issue that is exclusive to Nintendo, it’s just the hip thing to do to point out anything that makes Nintendo look bad. Jeffery02 True or not, this is not a rumor to be taken lightly. Nintendo needs to get out of this third party rut. Nintendo has this stereotype of only having first-party and being “for children” and I think some developers have given into this stereotype. Nintendo has a lot of work ahead of them, but if they do it right, then they could make the Wii U something that even the “hardcore” PS4 and Durango (Xbox Infinity?) would worry about. uPadWatcher It’s official… Microsoft’s new video game system is called Xbox Infinity. Nintedward It’s called Infinity cus the xbox live subscription saps your bank account for ever ! uPadWatcher DashHacks is not a trusted or reliable source, Ashley. Nothing but tabloid B.S. for all I know. Avalanche Studios isn’t taking advantage of the Wii U hardware and possibly in the same ranks as 4A Games. Ashley King I understand that, which is why I prefaced the article with a rumor. Nevertheless, the comments about Avalanche and NetherRealm Studios come from IGN. garf02 sorry but I dont see here where NR state WiiU DLC was for lack Nintendo interest http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/08/injustice-gods-among-us-wii-u-dlc-arriving-in-summer Zombie Boy I watch a lot of IGN stuff on YouTube, and I can’t help noticing that they seem to have something personal against the Wii U. A lot of great games (ZombiU for instance – it “doesn’t demand anyone’s attention”) are given very low scores, and in their Game Scoop episodes, they quite often use the Wii U as a butt of their jokes. I wouldn’t believe too much they say… Magnus Eriksson The part about no contact with Nintendo doesnt surprise me at all. It fits clearly to the rest of the pattern of how they have treated things during this console. I start to think there must be something really wrong within the companys management. Its almost like an experiment and they are failing intentionally. Magnus Eriksson Oh, by the way. I see that Ashley write quite many of the excellent articles here. Even if i am very critical and to a degree negative to what Nintendo does I want to say I value to job done at this page a lot, and especially the many articles from Ashley that helps to keep up the interest. So thank you for excellent work. Ashley King Thanks, I do my best. Bob Wilkerson Not trying to call anyone a liar but there are many developers and gaming companies that say the opposite about Nintendo saying that without their support Game X would not happen or that they are a pleasure to work with. Maybe in an effort to not harm their strong relationships they are alienating new ones. But with anything there is more than one side to the story. Magnus Eriksson Not sure if I understood clearly what you meant here. But if I understand you correctly you state that there are developers who are happy with Nintendo? Where? Bob Wilkerson This is exactly what I mean.. Refuses to see any positive Criterion praised the Wii U – http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/02/criterion_lavishes_nintendo_and_wii_u_with_praise Platinum Games too – http://nintendoeverything.com/116656/kamiya-reiterates-that-bayonetta-2-wouldnt-be-possible-without-nintendo/ I am sure there are many more. Ubisoft has sent some kind words Nintendo’s way as well and I have read about many indie game developers enjoying working with Nintendo too. I am sure others can find some things for you to read besides the negative. david jarman Don’t forget shin’en and the developers for project cars. Magnus Eriksson Ubisoft is Nintendo’s strongest supporter, no doubt. But they are also very critical to how Nintendo runs things. If it continues the way it have done until now my guess is that Ubi will leave the boat too (and of course will the Nintendo fans applaud this as they done with EA and all the others that “broke” whatever partnership there was). Then there is Capcom of course. But besides from those two there really aint that much. And is this low level of partnership to blame all the other developers? Or is it Nintendo’s fault? I know many on this page want to blame everyone else than Nintendo. I believe that Nintendo is to blame alone. They have been shit to work with from the N64 era until today. We got reports that this would change in the development stage of Wii U, but really? There is no sign of this. angel their has already been statements and if ur a lazy fuck to search it up, it is up to u Magnus Eriksson This page is certainly full of people with tourettes and anger issues. I feel sorry for your mom, she must have had some big problems when she was unable to raise you up properly. Aiddon said dev was also called out on that by Wayforward (a FAR smaller company) who has had ZERO trouble with Nintendo Magnus Eriksson You might be perfectly right. However I dont think so. I think Nintendo is shit to work with, theyve been so before and have probably not changed this time either. Aiddon MIGHT BE? I AM right on this one: http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=202283 Avalanche are lying sacks of SHIT. Seriously, if they think consumers are that dumb then they can go kick a rock. Magnus Eriksson Cool down. Theres no need to this anger. I do not agree that this means that Nintendo got support and that Nintendo give 3rd parties or Indies aqurate support when needed. Remember how it was with the WiiWare? Devs are tired as hell of Nintendo who tries to define the rules over and over again. Aiddon and now Wiiware is gone and tons of indie devs have enormous praise for the eShop, saying Nintendo has been very helpful, it’s easy to be approved, and that the freedom allowed makes for a far less stressful process. Face it, Avalanche are a bunch of liars who are too lazy to pick up a phone. Screw. Them. Magnus Eriksson Actually the reports says that devs have tried to contact Nintendo without being able to do so. I think its more plausible that Nintendo sucks to develope for. History tells this, and there is really no reason to believe that they have changed. No my friend. Nintendo have failed with this console, thats for sure. Aiddon -holds up doll- Tell me where Nintendo touched you. Magnus Eriksson Hahahaha! Good one! That one had some finesse to it. I will remember that for later. Thanks! But seriously. Nintendo have failed so far with the Wii U. You can see that? Jonn McNally Couldn’t figure it out? What a joke of an excuse. People like that don’t deserve to develop for Nintendo hardware. Quality over quantity. D.M.T People like that don’t deserve to develop for any hardware. I always knew these Devs were lazy and not creative enough to make great games for Nintendo consoles garf02 People dont like to develop for N consoles cause their games always look subpar next to N own IPs so they just pull some excuse like “Its too hard to reach em”, no it not, Nintendo.com > Contact Us Or what, are they expecting Nintendo to knock their door begs em for a game and propose to fully found it? D.M.T Nintendo, 3rd party Devs and Nintendo Fans are to blame for Nintendo’s lack of 3rd party support. – Nintendo because they don’t care much about 3rd party Devs and for being too stubborn sometimes. – 3rd party Devs for being lazy and not supporting Nintendo’s innovations and great ideas. – Nintendo Fans are to blame as well for only buying 1st party games on Nintendo systems. Everyone is to blame for the lack of 3rd party games on Nintendo consoles. Ashley King Very good points. Every time I post about a third party dev not supporting Wii U, I see Nintendo fans say, “Good, I didn’t want their games anyway.” That’s not the proper attitude. Hopefully Nintendo can improve relations with third-party developers before this console generation gets in full swing. Elem187 I think those comments are justified… I mean the best part about Nintendo consoles is the sheer lack of dudebro games. Japanese made games are the best part about owning Nintendo consoles… MH3U, W101, Bayo2, Nintendo IPs, Resident Evil. I mean are we supposed to be crying because battlefield 4 and Madden isn’t coming? If I wanted to play mindless dudebro games I would buy a dudebrobox 60 or a dudebrostation 3. NkoSekirei dont wry im not too concern about battlefield 4 not coming to the wii u cause EA are abunch of jack@$$es that couldnt get their way by not having origin on the wii u. Tecpedz94 I say that only about EA cuz frankly i dont want their games. If they do return them GREAT!!! More support but if not once again i don’t care, they don’t deserve to make games for no one with the way they are acting… Sidney Majurie But why should we support a 3rd party dev when they don’t support their game after release (DLC), give us shoddy ports with bad framerates, stripped features etc, release the game later than on other consoles therefore diminishing sales on the Nintendo console and on and on. Nintendo fans are just reacting to developers who make every excuse under the sun when it comes to the Nintendo version of a game. Of course we want these games, but we don’t want to feel guilty or forced to buy games from companies who don’t take the time to cater to Nintendo fans and patience and care it takes to build a loyal audience on a Nintendo platform. Nintendo fans get treated like we should be on our knees thankful for every triscuit throw to us by these entitled Western developers. I frankly am tired of that nonsense and mindset. They want Nintendo and it’s fans to kiss their foreheads and tell them how special they are. Make a damn game worth me buying. We’re sorry Nintendo has spoiled us with quality games that aren’t broken or unfinished needing patches. Maybe THEY should step their games up… thedeciderU yeah, who wouldn’t want more games? obviously people want nintendo games, but to be that close-minded is such a waste. that bothers me about owning a wii u. maybe it will change, but it doesn’t look like it. i want this system to have too many great games to play. garf02 you know why 3rd party dont sell well in N platforms? http://www.gamnesia.com/articles/ea-and-nintendo-cant-we-all-just-get-along “the reason Nintendo’s games sell to Nintendo gamers more so than 3rd parties isn’t just because they are great games, it’s because Nintendo built up a following. As an example, how can Madden build any momentum on Nintendo’s consoles when you go from providing a passable product on the GCN to a casual product on the Wii? Then, every year after, drastically changing the casual approach to Madden until it essentially became a poor mans NFL Blitz. Ubisoft is getting it right in this regard. Did Assassin’s Creed III sell well on the Wii U? Hardly. 130,000 units is not exactly anything to write home about. Madden 2013 obviously did a lot worse – only 30,000 units. Neither number is good, but still Ubisoft announced that Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag would be arriving to the Wii U. In addition, they surprised many when they said the all new big budget IP, Watch_Dogs, would also be coming to the Wii U. that’s how you can build a base for future success. Assassin’s Creed IV has a high chance of selling better than Assassin’s Creed III did because overall, Wii U owners were satisfied with the product. So, likely, those owners are going to buy the next version – then you have the new Wii U owners since the last game came out to help boost it more, plus positive word of mouth gamers who are looking to maybe move into the next generation of consoles” Elem187 Good point. if you want an audience for your games, then you need to build that audience. Capcom has always done very well on Nintendo platforms, because they have been putting Resident Evil, Okami and other titles on Nintendo consoles. Nintendo gamers know by and large that the Capcom logo is going to mean quality…. Capcom just reported MH3U was a hit on the Wii U in the west. Resident Evil will sell very well too. Nintendofreak ur fucking right how can they expect to sell something that is new or has had a shitty ports or tests, like dead rising on wii, dead space extraction ( which i actually enjoyed more than dead space), all the cod games and etc Adam Fox both titles you mentioned (Assassins Creed III and Madden 2013) are games I wouldn’t even get on PS3 or Xbox360….I am waiting on Project Cars for Wii U and will be getting Lego City Undercover…both 3rd party titles that are/will be Stellar games….to say that Nintendo doesn’t exactly have “strong third party titles” is kind a BS claim….”BlackOps 2″ and ” Batman Arkham City: Armored Edition” looked better than the PS3 and Xbox360 versions of the games….its not Nintendos fault that companies like EA back out….EA is garbage…they have won “Amerca’s Worst Company” award two years in a row…. garf02 I know but aside from using those title as standard, it pretty much work for any studio that would release games, as example, Activision is disapointed with CoD BO2 on WiiU and instead of cater to those that bought it and may those who will do it in the future, they havent yet revealed if WiiU will get Ghost Revolution5268 well im sorry that i buy 1st party n games because i wanted to buy good game rather then crappy port no dlc support and shovelware. yeah blame us for not been that stupid. D.M.T The reason we get inferior aka crappy port and no DLC is because we don’t buy the games. Let’s buy 3rd party games (good ones) and 3rd party Devs won’t be lazy anymore. They go where the money is and they don’t make money on Nintendo consoles. Yes I am blaming everyone, myself too which is why I’m planning to buy a lot of 3rd party games for Wii U Steve Anatala I’ve bought batman, tekken, lego city (published by nintendo so I guess it doesn’t count), monster hunter 3, need for speed, darksiders 2, sonic racing, & WAS gonna get alien colonial marines before it was found to be trash and not released. But as you can see not all Nintendo fans buy 1st party only. And I’ll be honest some of those games I wasn’t even super big on and haven’t even played but I bought them because they were showing good support for the system with creative ideas. And I have gotten 3 other people to buy a wii u, and they all have bought both 1st and 3rd party games like me. So I think I have done my homework as a Nintendo fan thus far. :p Nintendofreak is not our fault so ur telling me i should buy a fuckin game that was made more than a year ago ( codblops2, batman ac, deus ex, mass effect 3 n etc) or buy good games D.M.T Black Ops 2 and Mass Effect 3 were not made more than a year ago and WHO CARES if Deus Ex and Batman are old games? You should be happy that they made a Wii U version. It is our fault and I was man enough to admit it, now you admit it too. Everyone is guilty The Clockwork Being Plus its a reworked and Gamepad well added feature games(Deus EX and Batman) sometimes Nintendo fans say: Oh its no coming im only buying the Wii U for Nintendo games. And after they start blaming the 3rd parties for not putting games on the console. Honestly the fault goes to everyone like you mention but some people fail to see this Steve Anatala I have never bought a nintendo system for nintendo games only. I wish nintendo systems got all the best games so I wouldn’t have to buy a ps3 like I did to get other games. So as I said to D.M.T., stop saying its EVERYONES fault when there are people who buy 3rd party games as well as 1st & 2nd party. Steve Anatala you CAN’T say EVERYONE is guilty. like I said above, there are some of us who are supportive of 3rd party. some even like myself who haven’t even bought games knowing I might not even get around to them anytime soon just to get 3rd party support and show they have an audience with Nintendo. so please don’t so EVERYONE :p Tobias Naustdal why should i buy a 3rd party game if it’s not good? why should coff up 60 usd for a game thats mediocre? just so there will be more 3rd party on nintendo consoles? if the game gets good scores ill give it a try… but how many 3rd party games are there that’s not just mediocre? i play o alot of diffrent games but if it’s not worth it why should i buy it?it’s something different with indie because those games are cheap, and give the same enjoyment that i might have gotten from another extremely expensive mediocre 3rd party game… NkoSekirei after wat happen with aliens colonial marines yea i kind of lost respect with sega and gearbox after that but they need to realize not to rush games out of they will flop on reviews DragonSilths My favorite 3rd party games are the Tales Of games from Namco Bandai, Man I buy alot of those. Tobias Naustdal ill tell you something… it’s that people on nintendo consoles actually have taste and do not want to buy call of duty 400 and boringfield 3. im not giving a penny to those greedy people at EA after running companies like dice into the ground… Blu_J U Nailed it my friend. I have bought every title since launch outside of virtual console. We need more support for third parties people. 1st party will sell regardless. jay Oh yeah we’re all gonna pass on Zelda to play some darksiders. I’m spending my hard earned cash on Crash Bandicoot to support 3rd parties and skipping Mario 3D. Screw pokemon! lets support digimon!! *rolls eyes* D.M.T Where in my comment did I say that Nintendo fans should skip/ignore 1st party games? WHERE? Don’t put words in my mouth. Nintendo fans should buy all types of games, not just 1st party games. Steve Anatala True longtime nintendo fans tend to have some of the best taste. They do NOT just buy first party, they are just smart enough and have been around long enough to know whats worth their money. We don’t want cheap ports, or a hundred shooters with no innovation EVERY YEAR. Oh and by the way, you got any DMT to share :p jay The stupidest thing I’ve ever heard a 3rd party say: “Nintendo’s games are too good” In response to why they don’t sell on Nintendo platforms. ReturnoftheTruth2 Oh, that’s what it is. Blame the multitudes of developers and not Nintendo for putting out another sub par system? Steve Anatala Sub par huh? What exactly makes a system NOT sub par to you? If Wii U had the graphics of ps4 AND the gamepad would it be amazing? Is it the lack of graphics that makes you assume it is sub par? And who is to say we have seen the full capabilities of the system? Wii U is hands down the best console ever. Why? Cause it brings a whole new dimension to gaming with the gamepad, plus you have wii mote capabilities and nun chuck, as well as the controller pro they came out with. So plenty of different ways to play the same games which ever way you like to play (lots of games may not get full support of every control type so that maybe a stretch), plus you have the virtual console which hopefully will have gamecube as some point like Reggie wants. If that happens you will have a library from the original NES to the latest nintendo systems all on one system. That alone is awesome. And that doesn’t even include the new games that are coming out. Nothing yet has shown the full wow-factor of the gamepad I will be honest, lego city was fun with it but nothing crazy yet, but it showed the potential. Browsing on the internet is more fun on my gamepad than it is on a computer so I like that and I even find it easier. I’m sure there are more reasons to list but I’m already bored of typing this all out, won’t change your opinion anyway :p But honestly give the system a chance. This time next year if Wii U hasn’t shown us its full capabilities and what the gamepad can do then I will change my opinion. But I have a feeling Nintendo will step it up within the next year alot. They have to in order to compete and the lack of sales shows it to them even. And when Nintendo isn’t selling well they make a ton of awesome quality games to flip it around like Nintendo 3DS. So I guess one year from now we shall see. Peace. Evang3los Troll, haha. I do enjoy laughing at your complete ignorance. But I wish for your sake that your grade school teachers would teach you critical thinking skills. I don’t like apple, but I can at least say they make good laptops, albeit expensive. I am able to see the good things on ps3 and xbox. But they by no means have made perfect systems. The 360 is probably the best for indies last generation, and playstation monopolized JRPGs, but it took a long time for developers to understand the cell processor architecture. Everyone has issues at launch. But wait and see. You’ll be excited too after e3 NkoSekirei it becoming a joke wat these delevopers are pulling by not taking a crack on those dev kits seriously wat are they waiting for a giant cake with a stripper in it and pops out as a surprise Nintendofreak well i certainly do Adam Fox I’ve seen the Wii Dev Kit (NDEV) and it looks very similar to this one….so i seriously doubt not being able to figure it out is a realistic claim…and yea, I agree…if they can’t figure it out, they don’t deserve to develop for Nintendo hard-ware wober2 I really do not understand why Nintendo of America is not in heavy contact with 3rd part devs/publishers. They should be trying to convince titles to come over to wiiu. Reggie: “In the end, it is Nintendo’s responsibility to have a large installed base, to have development tools that help the developers and publishers create great content, and essentially create an environment where teams like Rockstar can bring their very best content to our platform, and if we do that hopefully the very best content throughout the entire industry will show up on Wii U.” They will not have a large fan base without software. Lucy Heartfillia i think you are wrong with the last part.. http://nintendoenthusiast.com/16751/can-the-wii-u-survive-without-ea-probably/ Bob Wilkerson That’s is a very well written article… It outlines some of Nintendo’s shortcomings but also adds in what they are doing right and what things they can do to make things better without proclaiming doom or showing signs of fanboyism DragonSilths Nintendo cant be with every dev at once and still work on their own games. Some devs who take the time and get lucky get to work with Nintendo like Platinum Games. angel hey, u like anime? well they should do some games based on some animes. i know i will buy it and other anime freaks out there, like Gantz(remake), one piece, bleach(remake and a better one to), fairy tail, berserk, and other mature anime and crazy animes for the U.S.A., especially now that anime is a big market in the united states and other countries anime and manga as begun to become more popular(we don’t have to worry about japan anime and manga is daily life over there) Johny Im sure alot of people know of a new anime Shingeku no Kyojin (Attack on Titan) and while i was watching people ziplining and swooshing and slicing giants in a fast paced manner, i thought to myself… damn… that would make an AWESOME game 😀 And im sure a game of it will be released on some platform since the anime just launched(5episodes) and it gained ENOURMOUS HUGE popularity. and its obvious why… the show is probably the best of the season (maybe even year). like SAO was angel i will be watching Shingeku no Kyojin, i watch SAO but hated the ending, thay tried to end it to quick especially the first arc escaping and defeating the boss to damn fast, iwanted to watch all the bosses on all the floors Adrian SAO was amazing, and so was Kuroko no Basket. I hope both of them continue later this year. angel the anime wont continue(sadly) but the book goes even further(the book not manga) Adrian Don’t you dare say that! Adrian I love anime…but I have no idea where the hell any of your post is coming from? angel what do u mean u have no idea where my post are coming from? Adrian Like why did you post it? Actually I misread your post and thought it said “well then you should do some games based on some animes”. Now that I reread that second sentence, it makes sense. Nintendude Aren’t you supposed to stay on topic? angel its not a topic but a statement/ suggestion Severus Swerve I don’t want this to be true but the way I see it, this may be another GameCube. Enough to sustain Nintendo but not enough against the other juggernauts. I hope it picks up when first parties are released Michael Jurado if the wii u dev kit was untouched that means the developer did absolutely nothing in an attempt to develop anything so how can nintendo help someone who won’t take the first step … what you want nintendo to make the game for you??? seriously it just looks like lazyness to me but that’s just my 2 cents Lucy Heartfillia after reading the article, i decided to post this interview from an indie developer here: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/05/developer_interview_dark_tonic_games_on_the_awesome_potential_of_the_wii_u wiiucompl These untouched dev kits will take gladly SEGA and Ubisoft for more good games 🙂 Developers start here: http://www.warioworld.com/apply/ and then here: https://www.warioworld.com/apply/devapplication.asp By the way. Have you noticed that a lot of the Wii U is from Canada? Ubisoft Quebec, WB Games Montreal, EA Canada, Precursor Games … Mario Oh really? DragonSilths Cause Canada is BOSS!!! Wighead I live in Montréal and I know some people in the industry (well almost anyone living in Montéal that are between 20 and 40 knows someone in the business) and I must say that they are among the best in the world if not the best. Most of the biggest studios are there and lots of small studios also. Richard Keller They can’t really develop much if Nintendo is being completely silent unfortunately. :/ I like Nintendo as much as the next guy, but I’m kinda feeling like Nintendo is having their heads up their ass at the moment. Wayne Beck That’s BS. Every Console Dev Kit comes with a full set of instructions and access to First Party support. If they didn’t talk to Nintendo it’s because they didn’t pick up the Phone. It is not Nintendo’s Job to call every Third Party Developer and ask them how it’s going. NkoSekirei i agree with u that some of these third party developers are becoming more lazy and ignorant on developing games for the wii u cause their just scared of taking big risks which its part of how businesses work.Their probably late on fitting into their chicken suits William Cole So true. DragonSilths Nintendo cant be with every dev at once and still work on their own games. Unfortunatly theres no “Programming Wii U For Dummies” book that comes with the Dev Kit. TCar Again, lazy devs expecting help instead of asking for it. Agent721 I unfortunately believe this, as this complaint was around back in the day as well, with the N64 & it’s never been addressed properly. This has been a long time Nintendo problem & proves my earlier point that Nintendo views it’s consoles as a distribution point for its games & nothing more. garf02 you can not blame the company based on their past policies, they have said more than once that they want to rebuild relations. they even left launch window 95% open to 3rd party, had they wanted, 1 3D mario would have been enough to make WiiU sell like hotcakes, what was 3rd party response? Poorly done ports, EA bailing out after they could not force their ORIGIN as main online platform of WIiU and Ubi delaying Rayman Legends 7 months. D.M.T You make a lot of sense. You’re probably right Agent721 All im saying is Ive been gaming for 3 decades, and this complaint is not a new one. I will add in EAs defense, NFS on the Wii U is an awesome port. garf02 I will love when WiiU pulls a 3DS and all this dev and EA start DAMAGE CONTROL just like EPIC had to Nintedward Bored of the same old monotonous Nintendo bashing day in day out. We get it ., Nintendo hasn’t had proper multiplat support since the SNES , but yet they are still the greatest developer and company in video gaming. No Nintendo fan cares what Avanlanche studios thinks. They can come back and say things when they are as revered a developer as some of Nintendo’s studios. Steve Anatala I don’t think half these developers have even been heard of till they said bad things about the Wii U. I’d never heard of avalance or the Just Cause series they have (or whatever its called) or alot of these other developers talking bad on it. Now I know who they are. Funny how that works, they got popular. But not the good kind. I won’t support any of them. Adrian If Ubisoft could figure out DLC (Uplay with ZombiU basically acts as free DLC) then I’m sure others can as well. garf02 word around was that Nintendo offer Dev some sweet deals regarding online like not charging em for patches unlike Microsoft and Sometime Sony does boynhisblobs I doubt one person bought a Wii U hoping Just Cause was going to eventually be ported…. We don’t care about the same old boring crap that being pushed out on the other two systems. Nintendo has always been about quality, not quantity. Also, time will tell. This was almost the same story with the 3DS too, right? Very little third party support at first but now that it’s extremely popular everyone’s jumping on board. garf02 Avalanche have never make a single game, port or shovelware to any Nintendo console anyway boynhisblobs Exactly,its like saying level 5 returned all their new ps4 developer kits…of course they did. Also, like you, i bought my Wii U to experience awesome games on the wii u gamepad. I just think reporting on companies who never made Nintendo games to begin with still not making Nintendo games is just making things worse. Here’s the next big story, the next Halo will also not be on the Wii U. Playstation All Stars, nope, not gonna be on Wii U. garf02 also just reminded something good, they are the same the studi that stated this ” PS4 “will out-power most PCs for years to come” http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/11/ps4-will-out-power-most-pcs-for-years-to-come-says-just-cause-dev/ Adrian I bought my Wii U to play awesome new games using the gamepad as a controller….I don’t really care who makes these games, or if they come out multiplatform. garf02 BTW: Is fun how people forget Nintendo were giving away free Dev Kits, The way I see it, if there are really Studio giving em back, are those who got em for free, no one in their right mind will spend 5K to just go, meh. you can have it back AZHood Has Avalanche Studios returned their dev kit, or just admitted to it collecting dust? Whatever the case may be, I don’t care too much about Avalanche Studios. Just Cause isn’t a game that I enjoy. Hopefully they do think of something though. Still, these reports, confirmed or not, are troubling all the same. You can always say quality over quantity, but you can have both. Here’s to hoping the Wii U having plentiful and quality indie, first and third party titles. garf02 original new 2 days ago was its gathering dust today is a rumor that no, is not gathering dust, they actually gave it back.. and other 9 mysterious dev did it too jerry LMFAO!!!is it any wonder why developers cannot be bothered with the wii u?What Ubisoft did has scared them away…….why would they make a game for the wii u with such a small fan base when they can make a game that has over 150 million fan bases? It is ALL NINTENDO’S FAULT….PATHETICALLY giving 3rd party launch rights after THEY SCREWED the 3ds launch up so badly…at last E3 Reggie…wii u has fantastic 3rd party support LMAO biggest lie in video game history!!! What nintendo stupidly did was think that the console could launch and live off its 3rd party titles till the nintendo big games arrived…which has epicly failed as Ubisoft,EA and others all turned their backs within 2 months of it launching!!! This with zero marketing for 6 months and the fact that the next gen consoles will arrive this year the Wii u is already dead in the water!!! HA angel some of ur logic was correct but the rest was straight from ur ass garf02 Under your logic, the ports for PS4 and XBinf are a waste too.. or what? some one really expect an instant install base of 30Milliions? WiiU had a good 3rd party back up until the whole Origin affair, and EA backing up any support as retaliation. Also if you really expext PS4 and nextbox will sell well, I have bad news for you. over 400$ consoles, no Killer IP so far, lack of backward, and every other game will be available for PS360, there is really no reason to but any of those either angel the majority of the people do not buy another console until they stop porting/making games for it and if the games are being ported, people do not see why buy the next gen if they are getting the same games, my friend just got a xbox360 and wont be getting one until they stop supporting it(i told him to traded it in for a Wii U before it becomes usless like his first xbox lol) garf02 by that rule. dev wont drop support for around 2 more year, give or take 1 year if sales in 8th genes console prove to pay off the whole games angel do not forget that some people are now buying the xbox 360 now that it is much cheaper, why will they get the next gen and waste money, as soon as the next xbox gets announce they will forget about it and wont be getting that xbox until the next gen is half or its end of its life cycle, do not forget how long the ps2 took to finally stop production Joey Perez Other than games like halo or gears ..which are exclusives.what great games are there to bicker cry .. Wii u is a new system a good game takes a year Or more to make even the next gen consoles will be playing games released this gen … as developers will also wait for.units to be sold so they can have a better install base for their own possible profit figures …. besides farcry …what great 3rd party has been released?? TheImaj This makes the folks at Avalanche look like dummies. I mean, they are developers, right? Uh… Develop much? Get your hands dirty. TRY something new. If the rumors are true, hopefully that’s why Nintendo has been shaking up the staff for. To work on these types of relationships. Time will tell. But so far, some studios just seem more competent than others. jerry LMFAO at all you nintendo slurpers……..the game industry is all about making money if developers do not want to make games for the wii u as they feel they will not sell well as it has such a small fan base and will not make them money then can do!!!! You crying about it will not change their minds!!! The reason developers are already making games for the next gen when both have not even been shown yet is that they already HAVE FAITH in the next gen from marketing,launch titles to previous fan bases of last consoles to know that they will sell well ie call of duty etc!!! If nintendo had not released a year early none of this would have happened..what was the point in doing so?to have 1 lame mario rehash, monster hunter and a racing game as its only 3 good games in over 6 months?LOL EVERYONE in the video game industry agrees nintendo should have launched this may with spectacular launch titles and everything ready to go head to head with the next gen then 3rd party would have jumped and stayed on board!!! Nintendude *yawn* jerry Yeah your lame wii u biggest yawn in video game history!!! LOL Nintendude I’m not even a troll, and I could troll harder than you. NkoSekirei stfu jerry and get a life dude david jarman Gee, sounds familiar? Oh, yeah! People said the same things about ps3 and Xbox 360 when it came to no games. FYI we have more games then 3. There’s not that many SOLID confirm launch title for the ps4. Until the ps4 has launched and all the games are out you don’t know crap. We don’t have to like what you jerks like! Any true gamer would want to see all of gaming succeed! To be honest there’s too many jerks like you on the other consoles gaming communities with little or no respect at all to players. Silent Next time, make your comment worth reading because I did not even read your sh*t. NkoSekirei stop being an @$$ jerry ur making ur self look like a bigger fool ludist210 I’m betting it’s things like this that were the reason Iwata got promoted to the North American branch of Nintendo. They seem to be doing okay with third-party relations in Japan (aside form Konami), so maybe he can bring some insight to NCL as to why it’s not working in America and together they can rectify the problem. Ashley King This is certainly true. Nintendo has realized that their success depends on success in the North American market, which is exactly why they restructured their executive team. Hopefully these changes will see marketing and developer relations moved forward in the right direction. garf02 can you ban jerry too? Silent Ms. Ashley, I love WiiUdaily but seriously, we’ve got to please start banning the trolls, aka. jerry. I don’t mind knowledgeiswhatsup but the others got to go. I’m sorry if I use bad wording in this comment but the trolling seems to have gotten out of control. Is it that you need mods or something, that you guys cant regulate the trolling in the comment section? Magnus Eriksson Then this guy Silent must be banned too. He is the worst troll of them all. jerry LOL nintendos excuse to why first party games have been delayed…..we did not have enough workers in the studio!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AZHood You need to pay more attention in your language classes at school instead of video games. Your critical reading and spelling skills are atrocious and are an assault on the senses. garf02 you know how common is for games to get delayed right? Nintendo this is their 1st HD generation, so they miscalculated the work force needed for games Silent Your grammar is so bad, It hurts my eyes. I cant help feeling bad for you. NkoSekirei u mad bro Petri Been wondering if there’s been some drama with Nintendo about DLC’s and such. Would make sense why Electronics “micro transactions & sell half the game as dlc” Arts is so scorned about Wii U and Nintendo. If thats it, I hope Nintendo works something out. As much as I detest DLC’s, they’re good money for dev’s even on used game market. garf02 excuses Ubi did pretty fine with ZombiU patched, hell even most of the MH3U were download and not physical retail Petri What? I was talking about DLC’s. None of the retail games I have, has DLC, even though they have on other platforms.. Quick look out totaled 6 games with DLC on eshop. So it does make me wonder, if Nintendo is making it hard to make or release DLC’s Though if that was the issue, I doubt publishers would be afraid to say it. But still, not that big of an fan of DLC’s. I miss the days when only games that got “DLC’s” (add-ons) were the games that really deserved them. garf02 blame CoD and EA tooby77 Leave a message…wii u games can now be dl at tpb. hackers dream, fans fear Sabrina Some of the developer are xbox and sony fanboy jerry Yes as they know their games always sell well on sony and microsoft consoles!!! audi lover Because theres nothing else to buy on those console so shit always sells garf02 main reason is also dev dont see N as a hardware provider like S and M but as a direct Rival in the software market, so wont be surprise if someone dont hold dear feeling towards Nintendo. jerry Wii u dead on arrival!!! LOL Nintendude Do you like Sony or something?? jerry I like your mom!!! Nintendude How mature… audi lover Ive dun your mum sorry to say shes a hag NkoSekirei hey jerry becarful cause u ll end up being banned from this site if u continue trolling and no one is gonna miss u Potemkin Burn! If this keeps up, no company will be making business with Nintendo. jerry EXACTLY yet nintendo slurpers are to blind to see this and think the wii u is doing fine!!! LOL Andrew Longo get off of this Nintendo fan website you shit stirring scum NkoSekirei look at this troll hes making himself look like an @$$ Falcoxcalibur There is no source to this info other than some guy on the internet. This is Bullshit. Why would anyone return dev kits that were given for free? Andrew Longo the developers who returned them have no use for them, they return them so that nintendo can give them to people who will use them. they generally support the wii but have no skill or intent to develop on the console, which is understandable given that every single website you go on is constantly bashing it.. Zizo47 This. http://x-surface.tumblr.com/post/41282771026/x-surface-dont-believe-everything-you-read Elem187 DLC has nothing to do with the dev kits.. This is nonsense. If a developer has already ported their game to the console, creating DLC should be an even easier process. Come on, first the Wii U got some massive power boost via an update, and now devs are returning dev kits because of DLC? What the heck is going on with all the craziness lately articles on Nintendo sites lately? Its like people are eating magic mushrooms when writing stories. Just Cause hasn’t tried contacting Nintendo, and giving up because they don’t know how to use the EDRAM provided…. Well maybe they should try contacting Nintendo to get the latest sdk, perhaps? Sounds like a simple process, no? I mean if the Toki Tori 2, 2 man team nailed their game on the Wii U, and Just Cause, a pretty big developer is having problems, than I question the competency of Just Cause as developers as there is plenty of smaller, amatuer teams doing some amazing games with their dev kits, then its probably the lack of talent at Just Cause. MujuraNoKamen Sounds like a sack of shit. I heard Avalanche had nothing against developing a Wii U game it’s just that they weren’t in any position to do so. But why do you need Nintendo to contact you before you start trying to make a game, surely you’re not incapable of using your own brains to come up with an idea – They sent you dev kits so they probably didn’t contact you because you didn’t make a start on anything. As for the other studios; if they were “untouched” then doesn’t that imply that they didn’t even try using the Dev Kits!? And NetherRealm, why would you leave Wii U DLC hanging like that, it’s not fair to say “we screwed the Wii U version just because Nintendo didn’t talk to us about it” You shouldn’t have to be asked to give all versions of a game equal treatment! And that “we weren’t sure how to distribute the DLC” is crap as well, do the same for Wii U as you did for other consoles. I’ll say again, obviously no one tried and wants someone else to get the blame for it, if these guys were serious about doing something then they could have reached out to Nintendo and asked for what they needed but they didn’t. If they had have done this the problems would have been solved right away or if Nintendo hadn’t done enough, then the quotes would read “We tried to start a project but Nintendo told us to go away” but instead they read ” we couldn’t be bothered and created a load of problems, blame Nintendo” I hope Nintendo does step up it’s game with 3rd parties. I know Nintendo shouldn’t have to hold their hands like these quotes suggest but if keeping in contact and just being friendly can stop fuck-ups like this happening then great, and it will give them better relations with devs and hopefully get them some exclusives in the future. Michael Collins Amen! It was so good, I couldn’t even think of anything else to add or say. Wayne Beck In NeatherRealms Defense, Nintendo is new to DLC and they probably do not have a Strategic Plan in place for implementing it in the Eshop. Developers probably have to go through a lot of Phone Calls to get it straight. MujuraNoKamen fair enough about it being a new network but if they were having trouble with it the first thing they should have done is contact Nintendo about, I mean how are Nintendo supposed to help them out if they won’t tell them there’s a problem. I’ll say again looks like some devs need Ninty to wipe their arses for them before they do anything – If these guys had some problem or wanted advice from ninty then they should have asked, obviously they didn’t even try, if they had then the problem would have been solved right away or if it was Nintendo’s fault then the quotes from these guys would be something like “We couldn’t do our jobs because Nintendo told us to get lost” but instead it’s “We all did nothing and as a result nothing happened, blame Nintendo for it” garf02 This is like: I didnt went to eat to Mc Donald cause they never called me to go. audi lover Surely thats just means the developer just doesn’t have the intelligence ot the creativity to use such a dev kit looks bad on the developer I think, also they need nintendo to hold there hand!! I mean grow up this is the real world other developers manage it without direct contact wit nintendo routerbad So it’s Nintendo’s job to tell them how to write DLC? Its being done by other publishers and development teams already, on launch software. Patches are also being delivered to launch software, this just seems like lazy development to me. Michael Collins Why are there so many developers treating the Wii u like it has cooties???? I really feel that all this negative media is going to hurt Wii U more than the developers shunning the system. I mean if a new users was on the fence about getting a Wii U, then online is not the place to go for it. It seems like every time I come to a game website, something was delayed, cancelled, or even a developer wants to tell us how the Wii U is weak and pathetic. I mean I actually have to go out of my way to find actual positive news. I don’t even recall this much hate about the PSVITA, and I feel it is in worse shape than the Wii U. Don’t get me wrong, I am not a Sony hater and I own a PSVITA too. I think it is great piece of hardware that is out of place in the IOS/Android era. My point is that it has way more dust on it than any other system I own. garf02 see it this way. Dev do games to S and M consoles cause they have no real competence there, even !st party IPs had to fight as much as 3rd to sell. on the other hand Devs dont see N as a hardware manufacture but as a game company so when ever they release a game that will share window release with a N game, which 80% are supperior quality and gameplay wise, 3rd party lose, so they dont like that. Michael Collins I can see what you are saying, and I would agree that most 1st part Nintendo stuff is way better than a lot of the 3rd party stuff out there. I can even understand a company not wanting to release a game on said system, because it is not selling well or does not have a huge install base. However, my biggest concern is how there seems to be a hate Nintendo theme with several of the Western developers. I mean if you go to Google and type “Wii U” into the news section, eight of the ten articles are all negative things about the Wii u. Geoffrey Tasker its been stated before that nintendo sent dev kits to developers and pretty much said “do what you want” same goes for there online functions nintendo gave full freed to be creative and set your own prices for eshop content, but apparently some developer need to be told what to do (read as : need to make an excuse for not do anything) ReturnoftheTruth2 Do you see the writing on the wall now? zhenyaivan what writing? nope. nothing. dooon’t see it. Andrew Longo this guy again.. i think it would be best for everyone if you just logged out and never came back. Guest Wii U is a failure. Wow, the Dreamcast controller failed and this failed: http://www.amazon.com/uDraw-Game-tablet-Studio-Xbox-360/dp/B0053BQN34/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368211534&sr=8-1&keywords=u+draw And they thought it would be a good idea to make such a crappy product? Guest I apologize. Wii U is actually doing fine right now. Im just being an a**hole and cant help it. Leo It’s kind of pathetic that these people needs to be told what to do. I wouldn’t hire a developer who can’t “develop” LOL. DragonSilths Wii U is a new system with new architecture. I doubt theres a how to use for dummies manual. Devs have had Nintendo actually work with them and walk them through it. Unfortunatly Nintendo cant be with every dev at once. WallyXD Lol what a failure article. First of all, the source of that article doesn’t give any source at all. Not even a vague one. It just states “rumors”. That’s like me saying something and it becomes a rumor. No that’s actually worse – it’s like if I wrote an article and I stated something without any source, and then another article quotes that as a rumor. Second, “earlier this week one stepped forward to admit they had no idea how to use the hardware. Avalance Studios, the developers of the popular Just Cause series, stated that they had initial plans to develop new games for the Wii U but felt lost as to what to develop.” Avalance never said they had no idea how to use the hardware. They just didn’t have any plans to use the dev kits at the moment. They didn’t say a thing about returning them. Also, they didn’t say they’re lost as to what to develop, but they stated that they’re not planning to develop for Wii U because of the install base. I haven’t seen Netherrealm Studios saying anywhere that Nintendo didn’t tell them how to distribute the DLC. But I’ll give a benefit of doubt if someone links a source for that. Also, the rumor about Nintendo giving out dev kits (a couple of indie devs have already confirmed that they got a dev kit for free btw) was most likely about certain devs they really want on board. They’re not giving them out to anyone. Just adds to the failure of the article. Sadly, trolls will feed on this even though they know themselves the article is a failure. William Cole I really don’t see what the problem is. Nintendo is the only company that doesn’t complain about the hand that it has been dealt. I can’t stand all these tech crazy buffs that care only about extreme speeds and extreme specs. The Wii U is good enough. Sheesh, The Wii wasn’t all that powerful either and Nintendo came up with the best selling game of all time on that very console. It may seem as if Nintendo is hastening their own demise but they actually aren’t. Its paradoxical at first but just think about it. Advance your technology too fast and you’ll soon run out of innovative ideas. That’s what I think will happen with PS4 and 720. All they can really do now is enhance specs. That share controller and Kinect 2.0 aren’t going to cut it. But really, who cares? Its all about those specs right? Steven Molina I’m assuming you only care about the content? But how can Nintendo sell a system without third party support, to hold them over before 1st party titles, are introduced? And are the majority of developers, who choose to pass the Wii U, wrong for playing it safe? If 1 out of 10 developers, decided to pass the Wii U, then I could agree, with your statement, but its not just one company. William Cole But you’re missing the point. Some developers haven’t even touched the kits. I believe its because they have no ideas for the gamepad. I’ll take gameplay and innovation over graphics any day. Guest I love Nintendo and I get what they stand for, but I hope they can find a way to keep the other half of non-Nintendo fans, interested. Please, understand after reading some comments, I was just hoping to add to my opinion. I hope I do not upset, anyone in general. As much as we love Mario, Zelda or etc… it may not be enough to attract, third party support or non-Nintendo fans, to purchase a Wii U. As much as we fans, will buy there content, Nintendo still need a higher investment return. With that investment return, Nintendo could concentrate on hiring, there own developers, to focus on a newer and broader 1st party game market. But how can that be done with a console, that may not be able to keep up with the next Gen consoles. How much third party support did the original Wii, receive compared to other consoles? And as much as we like to blame, smart phones, and tablet games, on the decline of Consoles, most individuals, still seek games with better visual quality. I realize, that soon, smart phones and tablets, will be able to handle, higher capacity of video game quality, which in return, may be a serious problem. Quick question, is there a way Nintendo, could re-release there system with and up to date engine, that may go head to head, with the next Gen consoles? Aiddon thing is Avalanche was called out on saying that there were troubles contacting Nintendo by Wayforward who has had NO such troubles. FlyingBoat what do they mean the wii u isnt the right direction? no ones saying you need to have two players going at once, one with a tablet input and the other with motion controls. just have them using the pro controller, or have the gamepad screen showing the exact same thing as the tv, and then make any sort of game you want! Andrew Longo i know i wish they would stop seeing the gamepad as a necessity.. i can’t imagine bayonetta using it for example, i don’t think i’d even want it.. just slap a minimap on it so you can look down at your dock every now and then. Steven Molina I love Nintendo and I get what they stand for, but I hope they can find a way to keep the other half of non-Nintendo fans, interested. Please, understand after reading some comments, I was just hoping to add to my opinion. I hope I do not upset, anyone in general. As much as we love Mario, Zelda or etc… it may not be enough to attract, third party support or non-Nintendo fans, to purchase a Wii U. As much as we fans, will buy there content, Nintendo still need a higher investment return. With that investment return, Nintendo could concentrate on hiring, there own developers, to focus on a newer and broader 1st party game market. But how can that be done with a console, that may not be able to keep up with the next Gen consoles. How much third party support did the original Wii, receive compared to other consoles? And as much as we like to blame, smart phones, and tablet games, on the decline of Consoles, most individuals, still seek games with better visual quality. I realize, that soon, smart phones and tablets, will be able to handle, higher capacity of video game quality, which in return, may be a serious problem. Quick question, is there a way Nintendo, could re-release a system that can keep up with the next Gen consoles? boynhisblobs Nope, they can’t. But, Nintendo always has something up its sleeve. I’m sure we’ll see a new 3DS in a year or two. Also, I personally think by the end of the year most of the problem will have gone away. Sony and Microsoft haven’t even released their new systems yet. Most people feel there’s no need to upgrade right now, but when the other 2 new systems are on shelves it will make the last gen look further away. Not saying people will look at Wii U first, but they will be looking. By that point, Nintendo will have streamlined its manufacturing process and again, have the cheapest option available. At least that’s what they’ve always done in the past. NkoSekirei wii u is next gen dude not current gen it just that these developers havent tapped the full potential of the system yet and their not giving the system a chance to see its capable of. Magnus Eriksson Its last gen. CaesarGood THEY ARE MAKING THIS SHIT UP, THIS IS ALL THEY DO TO NINTENDO ON PURPOSE..THIS SHIT EVEN SOUNDS STUPID.. Ickyptang A quote from an Avalanche founder/CCO Christofer Sundberg, via IGN: “We actually had some development kits that just collected dust,” said Sundberg. “It’s a bit sad, because we wanted to do something. I think it is a cool platform, but right now it’s not just up to us. We want the game to reach as many as possible.” It sounds to me like they want to do Wii U, but can’t justify it due to the current install base. It doesn’t sound like, “we couldn’t figure it out.” I am curious where Wii U Daily is getting their info – I’m not saying I don’t believe Wii U Daily, but it would be nice if they cited their sources. IGN, with its many, many faults, at least cites their sources, with links to them. Also, given some prior Wii U articles that seem to misinterpret content/quotes, I am wondering if something similar may be happening here. Again, nothing against Wii U Daily, but this article makes Avalanche sound incompetent, which I doubt they are. Update: I just saw that the source is cited as DashHacks, with a link, and that there is plenty of sourcing on other articles. My apologies. However, DashHacks doesn’t appear to cite where their rumors are coming from… this still strikes me as unlikely to be true – at least the “we didn’t understand” part. Perkoff I know the Just Cause games are pretty popular but I downloaded one of them on Playstation Plus and I thought the game was pretty horrible. It just seemed buggy, but I played it right after playing Uncharted 3 so maybe it was because I was playing such a good polished game that Just Cause seemed so weak. Clint Parker LOL, Nintendo fanboys doing more damage control. The reason why they are untouched is because the see the Wii U for what it is, a PIECE OF GARBAGE. Stop defending your lame duck of a system. Nintendo needs to get their asses in gear and start keeping up with the competition or they will be left at the starting line. Silent hmmmmm…cool story dude. You should make it into a movie. Next!!! NkoSekirei the only person that garbage around here is u troll and besides u dont know anything wats actually going on and actually its the devs should be held accountable for not taking the risks to make games for the wii u and not touchng the dev kits tells us their abunch of pansies and the only third party developers currently supporting wii u is ubisoft,sega,namco,capcom,monolith,platinum and a few others Dave May I think the developers are a little confused the wiiu is a new console not an add on check your wiii mail it explains everything Adecentboy777 I knew that from the very beginning. Nintendo is doing shit again, just like in case of Game Cube, they are just not able to learn from the past and adjust their strategy. Doing the talking, that’s what they can, but walking the path, well that’s apparently too much for them 🙂 Sad thing, really sad! Bringing out an old overpriced hardver with no games on it and saying we will address the hardcore gamers, huh, that’s the joke of the year 🙂 Well Nintendo, you will go down for this bullshit. Either you do the right thing or PS4 and ShitBox will crush you and make you go down. If this happen, then I will laugh on your grave for fooling me an old believer and friend of the Nintendo franchise since I was on your side since SNES. Thanks God I like SONY too 🙂 Silent As if you know what they are doing behind the scenes. Dude, they have marketing experts that have been doing this for years and care a sh*t if you like them or not. I doubt you are more experienced than them in this subject. Adecentboy777 Well, dear Silent, only the fruits show you what kind of tree you’re looking at. As for me, I’ve got my college degree in Marketing and in IT. I work for all the biggest companies like Microsoft, SAP, VMware, but SAP is my favour one, that why I am focusing on them. I have a lot of Hardware experience, since I have friends (experts) and connections in this field as well. In the console business I am in as consumer since middle 90’s. AND believe me I know exactly what Nintendo is doing. They are doing bullshit. You ask me how do I know it? Well, kind easy to answer that, I see the fruits 🙂 Silent You may have all the experience in the world but saying a console is doomed after only 6 months of release is just BS. Once? Understandable, but twice? It’s just stupid. If you have hardware experience then you should know that hardware doesnt make a console sucessful. ”You ask me how do I know it? Well, kind easy to answer that, I see the fruits :)” It takes some time to see the fruits of a tree. You are planning to cut the tree even though you have not waited long enough to see if it is worth having. Adecentboy777 Silent, I didn’t say that Wii U as console is doomed, at least not yet. All I am saying is that Nintendo should change their attitude toward 3rd parties and rethink their strategy, otherwise Wii U is another Game Cube. I love the first party games which will be coming starting October of 2013. BUT making false promises like “we’re gonna address the hardcore gamers” with an overpriced and old hardware (old because it is hardly better, than actual gen) and then asking the fans to wait till the good games come, well that’s abusement and respectless behaviour towards the loyal fans who wait, wait and wait…. at least another 6 Month – that’s stupidity. You’re completely right, games sale a console, and since there is none, or almoust none for the Wii U the sales number look pretty bad. All the retailers are offering the Wii U cheaper, just to get rid of the stock. Nintendo’s great Marketing team not even enlightened the buyers about the differences between Wii and Wii U. A lot of them still think Wii U is just an upgrade or an accessory for Wii. PS4 already has more good games then Wii U, even it’s not out yet. All I wanna say is that Nintendo will have a lot of issues if they continue that way. I love the first party games and I will buy some of them, but I regret to have buyed the Wii U, cause it was too soon. Almoust no games or just postponed games and just promises. As for the fruits – I already see some. Many of Developers didn’t even touched the Wii U Kit – one of the fruits. Bad sales – another fruit. Postponed games like Rayman – another fruit. EA’s opinion – again a fruit. The Developers seeing Wii U as a risk. They develop only for PS4 and Next Shitbox and I can’t blame them for that, cause I would do the same. AND the storm is not here yet, it comes with PS4 and Shitbox. Allegedly Nintendo tweaked the CPU and GPU with a recent upgrade – only a struggling, it’s not gonna be enough. Nintendo will be good at making own games, but addressing a bigger market with this attitude, no chance. discuss ” If you have hardware experience then you should know that hardware doesnt make a console sucessful.” Except when that hardware isn’t able to run the software … which is the case with the Wii U. You talk a lot but know little. Silent ”Except when that hardware isn’t able to run the software” So the Wii U is non-functional. You said you came from Mars or was it a rock? ”You talk a lot but know little.” Sorry, I dont hear any talking. except my brothers. discuss What is it that you don’t understand about the connection between hardware and software? Here let me educate you some more: http://www.usdailyvoice.com/ea-gives-wii-u-the-cold-shoulder-frostbite-2-not-happening-major-titles-ruled-out-3648/cathy-williams.html Andrew Longo Nintendo is loving all the attention right now, bet you they can’t wait to rub in all their success post-E3. It’s “failed” launch will mean absolute diddly in a few months. discuss I hope you are right because if they sill won’t show anyting interesting at the E3 I’m selling my Wii U … if I can find someone who wants to buy a console with no games to play on it. Silent ”I hope you are right because if they sill won’t show anyting interesting at the E3 I’m selling my Wii U … if I can find someone who wants to buy a console with no games to play on it. Then buy it when the good games come out.” Fixed Basically you are just going to throw away your money. discuss The console and games are continuesly dropping in price. The longer I hold onto them the less valuable they become. The future of the Wii U looks to be a grim one because of the weak hardware, low 3th party interest and the incredibly slow release date of IP’s. There is nothing but bad news about this console and to be honest I regret buying it. In other words unless Nintendo will finally announce some good news I will abandon this sinking ship while I still can. I really hope they blow my mind at the E3 but so far it seems that would be unrealistic. Silent ”The future of the Wii U looks to be a grim one because of the weak hardware,low 3th party interest and the incredibly slow release date of IP’s” After 6 months of release? Its like saying: ”this baby is going to be dumb and unsucessful when he turns 30” I’m sorry but I stopped taking you seriously when I read that. ”The longer I hold onto them the less valuable they become.” Did you pass economics class? Even take it? Investments may or may not increase in value overtime. If you sell an old baseball cap of the 1970’s today, you are probably going to get it at a higher price than sold back then. It also applies to videogames but may not always happen. discuss 1: You are comparing a 6 month old console without any games to a baby? Can I laugh? A console is made for generating income you know? 2: You clearly have no knowledgement about selling old games. Most games are only worth 5%~20% of their original price and only the special/limited editions can SOMETIMES be sold for their original value (if they are in a very good condition). Do you really expect any of the currect Wii U games to be special in 10 or 20 years? So you are telling me to hold onto my games which I currently can still sell for a decent value because maybe in 10 or 20 years they may be worth more money? Did you pass economics class? Even take it? Did you even go to school? Silent Get back to me when you actually read the comment properly. Im not telling you to do anything. discuss I see you haven’t reached the age yet where can acknowledge that you are wrong. Keep giving vague answers and fool yourself that you are smart. You clearly implied that me holding onto my games was a wrong move. I quote: ”Did you pass economics class? Even take it? Investments may or may not increase in value overtime. If you sell an old baseball cap of the 1970’s today, you are probably going to get it at a higher price than sold back then. It also applies to videogames but may not always happen.” I clearly showed you that this isn’t the case with games. VideoGamHer The LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! enigmaxtreme They’ve already confirmed Smash Bros and Mario U/Kart and THATS just the new stuff we know!!! Aleksandar Antonijevic Lazy development I love it 😀 The sarcasm mmm boynhisblobs Breaking News: next game in Halo series not coming to Wii U. Newest God of War skips Wii U. Wii U getting Gears of War this Summer? Nope! Why would developers who never, ever developed a thing on a Nintendo platform start now anyway? Were people expecting some back closet deals like in the days when Rare jumped to Microsoft? garf02 something fun I just remembered about Avalanche Studio.. they are in bed with Sony or just plain delusional. http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/11/ps4-will-out-power-most-pcs-for-years-to-come-says-just-cause-dev/ Aiddon yeah, it’s the blatant lying that makes me laugh my ass off. If you’re gonna make shit up then at LEAST make it plausible. And ESPECIALLY makes sure that people like Wayforward can’t dismantle your BS with a simple Tweet. Seriously, this is just Avalanche being a bunch of lazy hacks. Archiq09 if WiiU dev kits is finish … It will says Suba51 can finally make his games on WiiU and No More Heroes 3! Chompi Pacas Folks, we shouldn´t worry! Just read this article: http://nintendoenthusiast.com/14331/nintendo-wii-u-strategy/ You´ll see why Nintendo´s actual aproach to consoles may be the rule in the future years!! I only remark the part where it says “The Wii U is the most remarkable console we’ve had since the day 3D gaming was introduced in the 32-bit and 64-bit era. But it is remarkable by the very nature of its stupid simplicity. All it does is “simply everything” we’ve ever seen before on PCs. Is that exciting or innovative? No. And that’s why Nintendo has ignored this angle. But, this is a more powerful and profound angle than innovation. It’s transformative in the sense that it can break down that Great Wall of China that is currently erected between PCs and consoles. It’s like building a bridge between two distant communities and attempting to merge one with the other.” Give it a try! Gaming Industry is not only about improving graphics and having Superproductions every month boynhisblobs Great article. Very valid point I hadn’t thought of. Thomas Fitzgibbon How can you call yourself a game developer if you don’t know how to use a developing kit? Jason Wilkins The issue is Third Party Devs have to receive a return on their investment. They picked up a dev kit because it was free, not because they cared about the Wii U. Once they saw how the sales figures continued to slump, they became far more wary. Not to mention the fact that the Wii U is unprecedented in its failure to attract third party titles. Title exclusivity is nothing new but the Wii U is the first console to have massive amounts of MULTIPLATFORM software be unavailable. To a developer, this is a dangerous console to develop for since a console lives and dies based upon its ability to attract gamers to adopt its proprietary format. Gamers, unfortunately for Nintendo, see the Wii U for what it is. A console that will not only fail to come with titles exclusive to Durango, 360, PS3, and PS4 but also games that aren’t exclusive to any one of those proprietary boxes. In short, the devs realize that Nintendo’s failure to hold third party support makes developing for Wii U, which already requires extensive remapping and development costs to justify, too costly to be worth it.