This holiday season is Nintendo’s big chance of jump starting the Wii U back into action. But it won’t be easy, as two brand new consoles are arriving as well. The PlayStation 4 and Xbox One will offer some serious competition, but Nintendo’s Reggie Fils-Aime isn’t worried. Speaking to Kotaku, Fils-Aime said that just because there are new game systems out there doesn’t mean consumer will buy them. He believes that consoles sell because of the gaming experience they offer. He said: “I don’t think consumers buy hardware just because it’s sexy and new. I think consumers buy hardware because of the experiences they can have on them. That’s why, for us, having a strong holiday line-up is so critically important” Reggie added that pretty graphics aren’t “selling propositions”, and gives the example of the last generation consoles, where the graphically inferior Wii greatly outsold the PS3 and Xbox 360. “Systems that generate pretty pictures by themselves aren’t selling propositions. All you need to do is look at the last generation to see the evidence”. So far this year, the Wii U has been outsold by the Xbox 360 and PS3, and Nintendo is looking for this Holiday season to turn things around. There are several games that could be potentially big system sellers for Nintendo: Pikmin 3 (already released), Zelda: Wind Waker HD, Super Mario 3D World, and maybe even Wii Fit U. local_offer business Nintendo reggie fils-aime wii u stars Further Reading F-Zero X gets updated on Wii U to fix control New Zelda Breath of the Wild trailer and game Super Mario Maker Wii U vs 3DS comparison (vi Get Ocarina of Time on 3DS for only $14 New teaser site for Zelda: Breath of the Wild released How to track NES Classic Mini stock in time for Christmas therealruben1 True jay I feel like the guy in the middle sometimes. sony fanboys were making fun of the XBOne design, then the ps4 was revealed and it looked identical. The graphics and games are not gonna be much different either. So why all the fanboyism? Daniel Gonzalez Same can be said about Nintendo fanboys too. SeroReviews In which possible way that can be said about Nintendo fanboys…? Fanboyism indeed suck, but the thing is completely different. Daniel Gonzalez Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft fanboys are at each others necks all the time. I was stating that Nintendo fanboys are just as bad. That is the possible way. jkalyj True, but Nintendo fanboys go about it a different (and relatively more likeable) way. Sony and Microsoft Fans are very aggressive, they tend to go to sites and boast about how their console is the best, or just talk trash about other consoles for no reason. Nintendo fans are quieter, they’re not really vocal as much, and are nowhere near as common or seen. However Nintendo fans are way more defensive than the other two. Talk mess in their territory and they’ll rip you apart. but at least they’re not in your face about it on none-Nintendo based sites. Fanboyism in general is a tragedy though.. Daniel Gonzalez Doesn’t matter who does it more, I’m saying that it exists here too and everywhere else. My point is that Nintendo fans are just as bad. I do agree, that fanboyism is a tragedy. It’s not all bad though, even the narrow-minded can teach us a lesson sometimes. To have patience. ;P jkalyj True it doesn’t matter who does it more. but it’s a lot more tolerable if everyone keeps their own opinions in their home court. but even then. not every fan is the same right? some of us just like gaming and would rather everyone remember what that used to mean. Daniel Gonzalez I think people can have their opinion on here such as myself without others getting all riled up because you said something “anti-Nintendo.” Why should I stop excercising my right to free speech just to please the fanboys on the site? No thanks, I prefer a discussion. If they wanna insult then they’re just exposing their obvious ignorance. As long as everyone can be respectful, there’s no reason to stay on one home site, especially since I’m a fan of all things gaming. I will agree that those who can’t refrain from being disrespectful, should probably just move on. jkalyj I tend to give people a bit of leeway in terms of misunderstanding in opinion. While it’s nice to say everyone has their own opinion. In reality there are just as many people forcing it upon others as there are fanboys ( I don’t mean you). people get used to that and turn bitter towards everyone. so in that case I try to be a little more understanding. Even I have my opinions against and supporting each console. But I personally feel no need to comment out them. As I know regardless of what I say or anyone else does…these consoles will come; live their life. and all 3 companies will release their next consoles in another 6 years or so, as they always have. Entropyguy There are Nintendo fans on a Nintendo fan site? You don’t say. Daniel Gonzalez Really? All this time I thought it was a Sony site? My bad, my bad. :O If that was your way of trying to mock me, you’re gonna have to do better than that my friend. I’m gonna take it you’re the ones that don’t like hearing an opinion that doesn’t favor Nintendo? ;P Entropyguy Nothing so crass as mockery, no. Merely a gentle ribbing! It simply strikes me as somewhat strange to complain about fanboyism on a fan site. Though you have not been disrespectful, which certainly gives you points in your favor. As far as opinions that don’t favor Nintendo go, I certainly can agree that some decisions the company has made have been…baffling. And the PS4/X1 both have their good points. Daniel Gonzalez That’s basically all I’ve been doing. Lol. I see no reason to disrespect anyone who comes at me with maturity and respect. The ones who pounce on everyone who says something negative, well, they’re not to be taken that seriously. Some just want a one-sided comment section. No thanks, that’s boring. I never once acted like a fanboy of anything and will point out all problems with platforms.Ahh well, no skin off my back one way or another. Have a good day. 😛 jay Yeah but your comment was out of context as I mentioned hardware and aesthetic similarities between XBOne/ps4 yet they bash each other. Daniel Gonzalez I put Nintendo in there because if people are going to bring fanboyism in, it’s only fair to bring Nintendo in it as well. I think from the comment alone, it’s clearly obvious. fireheartis1 how do you figure dude. I’ve never seen a Nintendo fanboy go onto a PS4 or Xbox One sight and talk crap to everyone about their system of choice. I’ve visited both sights types of sights and never once saw a Nintendo fanboy trolling and talking trash, but when it comes to Nintendo sights like Wii U daily that’s all you freaking see. Shut up and stop trolling already we are really getting tired of it. We don’t do it you ya’ll so stop doing it to us man. Daniel Gonzalez How am I trolling for stating the truth? All fanboys troll and act stupid. Lol. Then you go and label people as trolls just because they don’t share your opinion. Did I come here and say the Wii U is shit and is doomed? No. So again,where is there trollism? Exactly, you jump to conclusions because I didn’t leave a positive post. Also, you’re wrong. Nintendo fans do the same on their rivals sites too. Lol. I visit various sites all the time, and see it. Plus, it doesn’t matter who does it more, the fact is, they do it as well. This isn’t a competition of who has the bigger dong. Lol. Take it however you like. I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. No, I won’t shut up just to please you. That’s not how free speech works my friend. 🙂 Peace. fireheartis1 Actually bro the statement about trolling was for general PS4 and Xbone fanboys not you. I’m a Nintendo fanboy and never have done such things. Don’t get me wrong here I like the PS4, but will only play it at my friends house when he get’s it. That’s what I love about gaming. You can get the system of your choice, and a friend can have a system of his choice and then hang out and play different systems. I just hate the “hardcore fanboys” who think players of other systems don’t deserve respect. Something’s I agree with you on and some I don’t. It’s just how it is and I will be as respectful as I can, and all I ask is the fan of the other systems do the same. Daniel Gonzalez I have no problem with what you like. If you think the Wii U is a great console, then that’s your opinion and I respect that. I just can’t respect those on here who get upset and then just label everyone a troll because they left criticism. I like what the PS4 offers, and that will be my choice when it does release. It doesn’t mean I won’t buy a Wii U down the road, cause maybe it will come out of it’s slump and provide some great games, but there is always a chance that it won’t. That is when the diehard fanboys get upset and think you’re an idiot for actually being realistic as it can happen. Nintendo nor is their rivals immune to failure. When I come on here, it’s to play both sides fairly. Not to paint a pretty picture for Nintendo fans. Besides, what’s the point of a discussion without the negative aspects? It would all one-sided and boring. Lol. No hard feelings, though. In the end it’s all about the games, regardless of our console of choice. 🙂 Nintendo4life I agree to some degree but i get tired of the console war stuff just buy the console you like and get the games for which system you have …end of story Daniel Gonzalez I never expect anyone to agree. At the very least, I think we should all respect what we have to say, and not get upset over anything negative. It’s just an opinion. No reason for people to get all bent out of shape over it. It’s funny that people get this mad about it. Nintendo4life let people think what they want..Im just gamer who games. Wii U’s Awesome…PS4 will be awesome Daniel Gonzalez I can respect that. Power to ya. As long as people respect and disagree with maturity, I’m all for that. sd I agree. i have seen Fanboys from all over and I get kind of frustrated by it. Personally I am in it for the games and I have no allegiance to any company. Last gen I owned all of the consoles and played the wii the least. I didnt like it. This gen so far I have the WiiU and think apart from the game drought it is great. I also have an X-1 pre-ordered and cant wait. But whether I am on this site, x-1 daily or PS4 daily the fanboys from all consoles flock. Also I don’t really see how your first comment was trolling and dont personally see a problem with it. david jarman Free speech is always abused. Especially cause respect is always missing. Owning something and criticizing it is one thing. Constantly coming on here to critisize something you don’t own is another. The dark secret about coming to a fansite other then to express your feelings is that you really like to upset the community because you feel that you not only have the right to say what you want, but to do what you want. That’s where it becomes disrespectful, because its not nintendo that hears you it’s us, the fans of nintendo. Who obviously don’t share your view. If you really wanted to just express your feelings you would have taken it up with Nintendo and not disturb a fansite. And that is my opinion. I don’t got to ps4 fansites to tell the fans what I think about their console. Same with Xbox. It’s just irritating to come to your own fansite and see some great news just to have someone crash the party. Especially when that person does not own one and more then likely isn’t getting one because of”ifs”. I guess what I’m saying is. Is it really necessary to express your opinion of a console you don’t own to the fans who are on here? What purpose does that really serve? Nothing but get people all twisted and bent out of shape. I guess I always feel that if your going to criticize then tell the people who matter the most. Doing so brings peace to all fansites and keeps the fanboys down a little bit. Daniel Gonzalez I think I just said that I’m am a fan of Nintendo. Lol. I think the problem is that you’re a bit too passionate about the subject at hand, but I digress. Yes, I can say what I want whenever I feel like it. However, I never disrespected anyone unless they do it to me first. So, I don’t get what you’re trying to say, because it seems that you think that people aren’t allowed at all to say anything just because we don’t own the console. You don’t make the rules, the admins do. Since I haven’t been banned, they don’t appear to have a problem with what I say on here. Why you may ask? Because they know I never did anything that’s ban worthy. People disrespect me first, and I don’t recall a time that ever insulted someone unless they came at it with me first. As for the fanboys, it’s not my problem if they’re offended by my words. If they want peace, then respect what criticism a commentator may have. Unless they’re calling the Wii U crap, then you have a valid point, but in this case, none seems to really exist, except your opinion, which you’re entitled to. Again, I’m not going anywhere and I’ll continue to post. That is my given right as a human being and my right to free speech. Again, if people like me weren’t on this site, then all comments will lean one-sided. Where there is good, there is bad. Where there is positive, there is negative. That’s life my friend. You may hold what opinion you believe in,but it’s not going to change my mind nor will it stop me from commenting here. Anyways, I’m done explaining myself. Good or bad to you, take it however you prefer. Good day to you. david jarman You completely missed my point and like I said free speech is always abused. Daniel Gonzalez No, it’s not. Lol. I didn’t miss your point. I just didn’t agree with it. Since that’s never true. “Always” is an exaggeration. david jarman Yeah, you did. You get upset when someone disagrees with your opinion and you say that you have the right to speak your opinion, well so does that person. They have the right to tell you what they think about you and your opinion and this the vicious comment circle begins. This is were it gets abused. People think just cause they have the right to say something to just say it without thinking about who it effects and how it effects others. Especially people here in the states. We are the most disrespectful when it comes to that. My question to you was what service does it provide people to be critical on a fansite when all it does is upset people. Why not take that criticism to nintendo themselves? Most people(maybe not you) is because they feed off that negative conflict. That’s why I made an example. I don’t share my opinions on other consoles on the fansite of that consoles fansite cause all it does is stir up trouble. It doesn’t matter wither I have the right to its of matter respect for the peace. Why borrow trouble? So instead. I state my concerns to the company directly and have it with them. Daniel Gonzalez If I was upset, I think I’d be calling you names and going ballistic on ya. No, I’m fine with your opinion. I just don’t agree with it. Don’t bother to read much into it. 😛 Why not take it to Nintendo? Easy, I’m here to discuss like everyone else. Peace can be achieved if people learn to quit getting upset and taking their anger out on people who have a different opinion. Perhaps you’re the one who is upset? Lol. If you’re gonna use that on me, same can be said for you . Can’t have it one way. 😛 I have nothing against you, but again, I don’t agree with your logic or outlook on life. We are two different minds. If you don’t agree with it, that’s cool. No skin off my back, but I’ll be here no matter what. Why should I give up my free speech? To make you and everyone else happy? Sorry, as I said before, I don’t bend backwards for anyone. Anyways, not much left to say to you. We can go all day about this. Good day to you. 🙂 david jarman It would have been funny if you told me, “I ‘SAID’ good day to you sir” Derk All he said was, “Same can be said about Nintendo fans”….. 1) He is 100% right… Saying that was unbiased and fair. 2) The comic strip must have gone right over your head… 3) Stop trying to control what people say… For those of you that did not catch it….. The moral of the comic strip is that every system owner expresses bias… Daniel Gonzalez Thank you. At least some on here understand. I agree with 3 100%. A lot of people think they’re entitled to that one here. They forget that people have free speech. Apparently you can’t be a Nintendo fan and still criticize. 😛 david jarman See you missed my point entirely. I was suggesting to you that maybe it would be more effective to take it up with the company directly cause that would be more effective. I’m practicing my freedom of speech with you and like you don’t agree with me is just like me not agreeing with you. Daniel Gonzalez Yes. However, you told me that I should just keep peace and take it to Nintendo. You can’t achieve peace on this site without freedom. If there is no freedom here, then what peace will there be here? ;P That’s been my point. I get your point, but it’s the same as you say. I don’t agree with it. Nothing more. The real problem on this site is that people can’t handle criticism too well,and that’s not to say you, but those who make it obvious. Am I suppose to be here and just keep my opinions to myself while others can have theirs? Nope, that’s not keeping peace, that’s taking away freedoms. My opinion will always be different from most on this site. My point is, that if people don’t like what I have to say, then don’t comment or read any of my future posts. Peace can be achieved if people learn to do that. david jarman No. That goes both ways. I’m just saying why not be more productive about it? Enlighten me. What purpose does it serve to criticize on a fansite other then to recieve criticism back? Daniel Gonzalez It brings a different point of view. Should all comments be pro Nintendo and fandom? Let’s be real here, without any kind of fair criticism, this site would be only just that. How is that not being productive? Again, you fail to see the point or don’t agree with it. If that’s the case, then there’s not much more that’s going to change your mind. I don’t have to enlighten you. Lol. If you can’t see that now, then I’m wasting my time on you. Again, criticism is just words. If they bother or hurt people that bad to such an effect, then perhaps they don’t belong here themselves. Anways, it’s like I’ve always said. I don’t expect people to agree with me, but at the very least, respect each others opinions, and there will be less problems. Unforunately, there’s too many on here who have a hard time doing that. Take it for what it is. david jarman Because it doesn’t change the outcome of anything cause neither you or I have any control over what Nintendo does and that isn’t being productive but just useless ranting that we are both doing. You want something done and be productive then say it to the company so that your voice can be heard. The more voice they personally hear the better the productivity will be. You talk about free speech, and that is a perfect example of what freedom of speech is all about. being able tell the bigger and more powerful people how you feel. Expect fandom at a fan site what else would you expect? Whatever happened with Good day,lol?! Daniel Gonzalez Good day doesn’t mean I’m done with you. It’s being respectful and saying have a good day. If I was done talking, then I’d say I’m done with you. Lol. Also, no opinion is useless, so that was probably a slap to anyone with one. Even to yourself. Lol. That’s kinda the point of these forums and comment sections, to voice our opinions in one way or another. If they are useless to you, then why are you commenting at all? Please enlighten me. david jarman Let me ask you this. Does ranting to a wall get you anywhere? It’s useless if you’re not putting it to good use. Me bitching about the president is a waste of breathe. Me voting is being more productive with a possible results in my favor. So having an opinion is one thing. You and I ranting about our opinions, although entertaining, really serves no purpose other then hearing each other not agree with zero out put of productivity. Daniel Gonzalez If that’s how you see it. Then why respond at all? Does it get us anywhere? Probably not. Again, though, if that’s what you feel, then probably best to stop. If you’re entertain by this, then I see no problem with it. david jarman I respond for the same reasons why you respond. Because there was a response. Besides, you’re not offending me or insulting me unlike derk who some how confused me with someone else, but just like Kevin Bacon, hitler and nazi’s were bound to show up. Which I never said we should have less rights or freedom, but as the late Uncle Ben once said, “With great powers comes great responsibilities” Freedom of speech is powerful. It can build bridges across oceans or ignite great flame wars. Daniel Gonzalez Well, I feel that I’m not abusing my rights. I’m sure there are plenty that do, but you won’t see that from me. Of course they can cause flaming wars, but that usually happens to those who can’t respect free speech. ihaventdecidedyet this was the lamest flame war ever. You started arguing semantics and how to accept each others opinions instead of sticking to the point you were debating. pathetic, thanks for boring the internet guys! david jarman That’s what his and I discussion was about to begin with. It started off about free speech. I was just suggesting that his criticism would do much better if he specifically told nintendo. I wasn’t telling him what to say or how to say it, but just advising him that anytime you go to any fansite with criticism that people will voice their opinion about his opinion and that’s why I just write the companies like an adult. Daniel Gonzalez So those who express their opinions rather than Nintendo aren’t adults? Lol. You may wanna explain that one to me, cause that made no sense to me. Not everything has to be taken to Nintendo. Also, I am over 25, so that can be taken as an insult.;P david jarman Only if you let it. But no I’m not trying to insult you. I was just being an adult about my answer to him. And that I’m just trying to have an adult conversation with you cause for some reason people still think I was calling you a troll. Daniel Gonzalez If you meant it, then it was an insult. Has no matter if I let it or not. That’s not very adult like of you. 😛 david jarman Read the rest of what wrote. Discus is being dysfunctional. So no. No insult to you. I just didnt have time to word it right cause I’m at work when I probably shouldn’t be on here. So yeah! At the moment I’m not being an adult. xjb17 you sound stupid, just stop. daniel is right. david jarman You have no clue what we were even talking about. First of all he was upset about people jumping on him for having an opinion. He claimed free speech. I said yeah but even that gets abused on this website then pointed out those people have a right to express their opinion about his opinion and what did he expect from fansite and that maybe it would be more productive to write his feed back to nintendo and not to a fan site which wouldn’t be able to really do anything except have everybody argue. So I’m stupid for giving a suggestion of what I thought was giving sound advise. By the way. You’re a prime example of what both him and I were talking about. People who abuse free speech to outright insult. xjb17 it’s just all unnecessary, but don’t feel too bad bro; we’re all wrong sometimes. just take the loss david jarman Lose? This was just a conversation with two different opinions. There was no right or wrong. I was just suggestioning to him what I do. Was your comment necessary? Wow. xjb17 lol just felt like being a dick LonDonE247 I feel your pain, i love nintendo but i hate what they have become! i agree with you 100% and dont bother with the fan boys its like banging your head against a brick wall!! Daniel Gonzalez Oh I don’t. The obvious fanboys who talk smack aren’t true fans. A true fan can take criticism and give it back with maturity. I only seen that from a handful of people on here. The rest show their obvious insecurity. 😛 david jarman 1. I wasn’t talking about what he said earlier or the comic strip and was referring to his whole free speech comment what I view about that and why I don’t go to other fansite to criticize cause it just gets into heated battles. Like this one. No one where in any thing I said was telling what to say. Just offering my advise that maybe its best to say these things to the people who can do something about it. Derk I agree with him on that as well… I think everybody should be allowed to express their opinion over the internet…. As long as they are not hurting anybody. Also, I think people should have more rights, not less… david jarman But I can’t express my opinion about his opinion? Derk You are calling him names like troll and telling him what to say and where to say it… You say that he shouldn’t be allowed here because he doesn’t fit the imaginary criteria that you put in place. Welcome to Nazi Germany… The part of Hitler will be played by David Jarman. PS…. I love how Reggies hands are so natural in that picture. david jarman I never called him a name or said he couldn’t be here. I think your mixing other people’s comment with mine. Derk Oh… You need to get an avatar… I didn’t realize there were more than one oppressor. david jarman I wasn’t even oppressing him. I was having a rational conversation with a different view. I was just suggesting that maybe telling the company would be more effective then telling the fansite. Daniel Gonzalez Well said. ihaventdecidedyet Firstly there are lots of fans that visit this site with lots of different opinions. People who own a Wii U also own other consoles and people who visit this site obviously like Wii U enough to visit a specific page about it. That being said, how is their opinion any less valid than somebody who games only on Wii U. They obviously care enough about the Wii U and its ultimate success to give it a good or bad opinion. Its can be critical but it is advice and Nintendo is not untouchable, everybody makes mistakes and Nintendo even owns up to these sometimes (i.e. 3ds price drop). Secondly why the hell would you want to read a comment board of like minded praise, it makes no sense. Are you so unsure of your own opinions that any other ideas might make you reconsider? Trolling is trolling whether it is positive or negative but nobody who is vocal on these message boards seems to notice the blind troll opinions of certain fanboys. Just because a comment is nice it does not mean it is not trollish. And I, as a reader of Wii U daily and as a Wii U owner and owner of every console under the sun, want to hear both positive and negative opinions because they can genuinely help better a console. It’s all feedback and Nintendo is aware of internet “trends”. You don’t have to keep eating a shit sandwich if you’ve been given it, you can stop and say “hey wait a minute, virtual console games are too expensive, £230 for a 3ds is ridiculous, where are all the amazing (not just good) games at launch.” Come on, I don’t get blind fanboyism, you can just love Nintendo to the point where you call them on their bullshit, it keeps the relationship fairer. There are lots of non-idiot fans reading this site that actually can take on a variety of opinions without it shaking their core beliefs and it is absolutely ridiculous that somebody gets pounced on the moment they say something negative. These people do not know the meaning of the word troll. Daniel Gonzalez Couldn’t agree more with this one. That’s one of the bigger problems with sites like this, people pounce on you as soon as you say something against their favorite console of choice and defend it to no end. david jarman Is that not their right as well? do they not have right to voice their opinion about your opinion?When you state something negative what do you expect to happen? Daniel Gonzalez No, my friend. No one has the right to outright be insulting, that’s what we call, abuse, as you stated in previoius posts. Like I said, if they’re respectful about it, then that’s different. Of course, I expect people to do it, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re abusing their rights. All they do is make themselves look like fools. 😛 david jarman But I’m not abusing you or out right insulting you, and for some reason he is under the assumption that I am just like Derk was. Hey! You called me friend! I can dig it! Glad to hear to hear you’re over 25 that makes me feel less older. david jarman Maybe you should read all the comments just him and I were talking about. I was referring that it would be more productive to voice criticism to the actual company. Are you reading my comments or everybody else’s comments and assuming its all me like the last guy above did. It’s a fansite and I was suggesting to him that’s why he was being recieved well. If you’re intelligent then read ALL the comments because nowhere in any of my statements did I even mention trolling. There are people on here that all they do is criticize which is their own right, but shouldn’t get upset when someone criticizes them or doesn’t agree cause what else would you expect from a fansite and no not everybody that comes here is a fan. Yeah, I own multiple consoles too. My conversation had nothing to do with what console he games on or what he prefers. My whole thing was about free speech and why people respond the way they do on here and I avoid that all together by criticizing the company directly which have done for all consoles. Guest You’re the worst type of troll there is…. the passive aggressive troll. Im looking forward to the your god awful, reverse psychoanalysis on how your not! Daniel Gonzalez You can call me however you see it, if I’m the troll, then what does that make you? A diehard fanboy who can’t take criticism, or someone you can’t stand anything negative. 🙂 Passive aggressive? I think anyone has that in them, so I don’t see your point there. As said before, call me what you like, you’re not offending me in the slightest, epsecially someone who doesn’t know me at all in real life. 😛 If I’m a troll, then I suppose diehard fanboys are innocent. Yeeeeeah……no logic there whatsoever. Keep trying my friend. You’re done, don’t waste your time trying. 🙂 Guest You are a troll! And your ‘opinion’ isn’t actually yours. You’re just copying & pasting every other dipshit fanboy comment out their. It’s a shame that a website dedicated to one of my favourite pastimes has to be clogged up with your BS! Oh well, I guess your trolling is here to stay, and FYI, you’re not convincing anyone your flaming is ‘your opinion’! Daniel Gonzalez I don’t need your approval. 😛 It’s a shame that people like you can’t respect criticism where it’s due and try use the tire excuse that you’re here to troll. See? Makes no sense whatsoever. You’re talking out of your pooter. Why do I need to convince you? Lol.I could care less what you think of my opinion or if you think I’m here to troll. Far as I’m concerned, you’re just another typical diehard fanboy that sees everything as pure hate. ;P You insulted me twice, so who is the real troll? I rest my case. Only person you’ll convince are those who believe in oppression. With that said, you’re a done deal. Protip: Have an open mind instead of a narrow one. If you don’t like what someone has to say, then don’t read my future posts. Have a nice day. 😛 greengecko007 As one of the people who doesn’t see you as a troll, I feel the need to give you this protip… The first amendment right to free expression/speech does not apply on Wii U daily. The owner’s of this domain make the rules, choose how to enforce them, and can ban anyone at any time. Daniel Gonzalez True. Which is why it makes them hypocrites. Or any other site that practices that. If there’s no free speeh and I’m talking about those who use it fairly like myself, then the site is a complete dud. That’s just me. greengecko007 I’ve actually been going to IGN more recently, because despite what some Nintendo fanboys seem to think, IGN typically does a good job keeping up with Nintendo news, including positive stuff, like how they promoted the crap out of Pikmin 3 with gameplay and hands on videos. But lately Wii U daily has become a free for all. Truthteller get’s banned simply for saying things people don’t like, but I flagged a comment a few weeks ago that was talking about penises several times and nothing happened. Daniel Gonzalez Which is why I think it’s hilarous that it’s okay to talk about penises, but it’s wrong to criticize Nintendo. This site needs to do a better job in filtering out oppressors. I think both positive and negative criticism is needed. Who wants to really come to a site just to see pro Nintendo all over? I like to see actual comments that are fair on both ends, and not taking sides. IGN I would say at least does a better job, I agree. greengecko007 “I’ve never seen a Nintendo fanboy go onto a PS4 or Xbox One sight and talk crap to everyone about their system of choice.” Because they do it on Nintendo websites. How many Nintendo fanboys (not fans) still throw around “Xbone”? It’s been weeks since Microsoft reversed their policies. Daniel Gonzalez Course. All fanboys flame each other to some extent. By fanboys, I mean the diehard ones that defend their fandom to the end. greengecko007 The video game community has become like Politics. There are very few middle ground open minded people left, or at least, the extreme one sided fans are the most vocal with their opinions. Daniel Gonzalez True story, bro. That’s the big problem that I have with most communities. Too one-sided and not enough relevant opinions out there. LonDonE247 Its more because the last 10 or so years nintendo has put out mediocre hardware tech wise and so only a retarded nintendo fanboy would go onto a PS3 or 360 site and talk shit, but i did see lots of nintendo fanboys talking shit to 360 ps3 owners when the wii u was first announced, u remember? surely you do? LMAO i remember nintendrones saying that the wii u was going to run EVERYTHING NATIVE 1080P AT 60FPS! and i rememeber how nintendrones kept saying the wii u gpgpu, cpu yada yada was light years ahead of everything! And then when it came out they realised they had been wrong! And that so far wii u games have only been marginally better or in most cases worse off then 360 and PS3! I am not a fanboy, sure i have preferences, as a core gamer who owns EVERY PLATFORM including a gaming pc, i find i prefer in most cases SONY and nintendo consoles, but Sony for me have always concentrated on the core gamers, its why i have massive respect for them! Nintendo once a pon a time did care for the core, but now they are a casual orientated company! either way i love my wii u but it should have been so much more! Dont get me wrong i LOVE NINTENDO,SEGA and Microsoft not so much damn RED RIING OF DEATH!! LOL Anyway what am getting at is all fan boys are terrible, lets not try to pretend one group is worse then the other! the solution is to get a job and buy all platforms!!! simple! Nintendrones for me or at least the pretendo’s can be so annoying!!! just like the rest! They cant handle any criticism of nintendo at all!! and wake up, cos nintendo is FAR FROM PERFECT! they are not even a shadow of their former selves!! So everyone chill and remember all fan boys are the cancer of gaming, and none are better or worse then each other ok! Elitepwnsface Pretty much. But what jay doesn’t get is its “ALL ABOUT THE GAMES!” jay I didn’t say it wasn’t? Elitepwnsface “The graphics and games are not gonna be much different either.” -Jay Looks like you imply it in the comment above. Daniel Gonzalez In a sense, you did. Plus, the graphics will be different, no system has the same specs or capabilities. It’s obvious that the PS4 and Xbox One will be stronger overall in visuals. I agree that the Wii U can produce strong visual quality, but it won’t reach their rivals. I agree that games do matter more, though, but graphics do as well. tomtank91 I’m a bigger fan of Nintendo over any other platform and I agree with you even Nintendo fans can and are right dicks when it comes to something against Nintendo. tomtank91 and obviously the same goes for the xbox and sony fans that go OTT. jay If you read carefully I was explaining how XBOne/ps4 have similar designs and hardware yet fanboys bash both consoles. I don’t know how you fit a Nintendo fanboy in there. goldmrmber Actually nintrndo fsnboys are Distictly differant there systems ACTUALLY NEXT GEN A BLACKBOX AND A DUALSHOCK ARE NOT Daniel Gonzalez Typical fanboy comment. At least be original. Those blackboxes and dualshock apparently have been getting it done this gen. What has Wii U done of late? Can’t have it one way. 😛 nameucanthate The thing everybody is trying to say is that you may have your opinion. But if you want an honest discussion without any bias you might as well go on a forum or other thread. This is a NINTENDO fansite. Yet you think that people are gonna be chill if you criticize Nintendo? Just think a little bit about where you are and what audience you’re dealing with. People come on here to just revel in the joy of being a Nintendo fan and talking to other people of the same opinion. Then somebody like you comes along and makes everybody unhappy. People here just want to be happy for Nintendo, yet you have to come in here and ruin it. And don’t pull the “Free Speech” card on me. That’s like walking into the Vatican and yelling derogatory comments about Catholicism. Nobody is going to be happy about that. You can argue that you were just exercising your right to free speech. Still, it’s just not a nice thing to do. To quote the internet “You’re not Wrong, You’re just an Asshole”. Daniel Gonzalez I don’t think you speak for the internet buddy. 🙂 You just speak for the narrow-mindedness that a lot of diehard fanboys have. Like yourself I’m starting to notice from this comment. Also, where do I call the Wii U crap or say it is doomed? Exactly, nowhere. So as always, you and others just like to shut down any criticism that comes your way. How sad. I have news for ya buddy, that’s free speech. You just want to oppress. 🙂 Sorry, but I come from a world that practices free speech, if that’s something you’re against, then you come to the wrong post. People get unhappy with my comments? Well, sucks for them I guess. If they get so unhappy about what I say, then I guess they were never happy at all. If I was so happy, I could care less what others have to say about me or my console of choice, just like I don’t care what you think about me. Call me what you like. I know your kind and deal with them on a daily basis and even offline. As for religion, I think it’s pointless, but that’s my opinion, and don’t know why you even brought that up, has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Last but not least, I know what audience I’m dealing with. Again, what does that matter? I’ve had good conversations on here with people who can at least take criticism and even throw it back without trying to insult, like you just did there. 😛 So as for the asshole comment, unless you know me in real life, your opinion is subjective on that. Stick to the topic at hand, and less on what a person is. To quote someone who said it best: “By judging others we blind ourselves to our own evil and to the grace which others are just as entitled to as we are.” Guest Entonces puedo hablar en español, el Internet es libre para todos! La libertad es muy subjetiva y debe tener sus limites, por ejemplo como dice, @Daniel Gonzalez no se debería insultar para contraponer una opinión. Pero también es razonable que en una pagina que es solo de Nintendo si vienes con una opinión diferente no les vaya a gustar. nameucanthate Look, nowhere did I say you said the Wii U was “doomed and whatnot”. Please read my comment before responding. I acknowledge that you are not being a troll. Not once did I state you were being a troll. By calling me a fanboy, you just judged me based on shallow opinions. You don’t know who I am, yet you say I am narrow minded. That was insulting and slightly uncalled for. I have the right to free speech, therefore I can comment however I want. I mean to oppress? Where did you get that from? Where did I say in my comment that I wanted you to stop commenting completely. I merely wanted to say that your comments upset people. Let fans be fans. I used the Vatican reference because I thought that you would most likely be able to understand the allusion. I am not even Catholic, but I was trying to use a well known example, that you didn’t attempt to understand. You know my deal? What type would that be? I give humanitarian aid to people in poverty and I have a loving family and many good friends. Do you mean to say I am an asshole? Wouldn’t that be judging me? Using the “Asshole comment” as you so poignantly put it, I was merely using a well known comment on the internet. I was merely speaking for the benefit of everybody. However, if you want to “oppress” MY opinion, so be it. Don’t assume who I am “buddy”. Have a nice day. Rukiafan Rukiachan Daniel Gonzalez= truthteller second account? * derp* Daniel Gonzalez If you think everyone who has similar opinions is the same person, then you are an ignorant fool. 😛 Rukiafan= super derp? I can see you’re a fan of oppression and not free speech. 🙂 Rukiafan Rukiachan Calling others of ‘Ignorant fool’ are not really a opinion… Daniel Gonzalez Neither is identifying me as Truthteller. Nice job contadicting yourself. Keep up the good work. 😛 bizzy gie PS4 looks nothing like Xbox One. They just both have a two-tone design. PS4 is much thinner and sleeker and has a parallelogram shape. Xbox One is a massive box. Andreas Sunde PS4 look like an Xbone Slim. jay sony fanboy? Derk Put the Wii U in there and they could be the 3 musketeers…. I’m pretty sure Wii U is just a black box as well…. Am I wrong? Daniel Gonzalez White and Black. Yes, it’s also black nonetheless. So I like that way of seeing things. bizzy gie No. PS4 is just better than Xbox One. See. They look completely different. PS4 has design and small size. Japan is definitely better at making hardware (and games but that’s opinionative). Wii U/PS4 gen will be good. HyperTallih PS4 is better then xbox one… Still…. SonicLucario lol xD I just saw this last night too Guest Reggie’s ‘meh’ reaction to the Launch games from XB1 and PS4 [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuzyXf6aPo0[/url] Cyrus this has nothing to do with xbone or ps4 -_- Rukiafan Rukiachan Reggie’s ‘meh’ reaction to the Launch games from XB1 and PS4 Thomas Fitzgibbon If Sony fanboys try feebly to defend themselves saying “Who plays Smash Bros? Nintendo games are for kiddies”. Then you could easily reply, “then why did Sony copy Nintendo with Playstation All Stars? “The difference in gameplay and structure between the two is non-existant. But of course the only difference with All Stars is that it features an infinitely weaker character roster…to no one’s surprise. Steven_Segal I laugh when Sony fanboys say that they are very different games… John Andalora I don’t think Smash Bros is something no one plays. I just wish Nintendo worked on other franchises before digging up SSB and making the “new” one for the Wii U. I’m just not as interested in it anymore. TCar Why do they need new franchises? I am totally happy with the line up the produce. Mario I am too! But a new franchise in the company doesn’t sound so bad. I wonder what Miyamoto is planning in that brain of his? TCar I do wonder that as well! Mario I guess we’ll have to wait to find out! John Andalora To be frank, I am not. I appreciate when Nintendo thinks outside the box and makes something new and unique, like the first Paper Mario. I’m getting rather tired of seeing the same things like Mario Kart and Smash Bros., and think that maybe having something different might at least help to get more people interested in buying a Nintendo console again. Arthur Jarret Fact is, their franchise sell extremely well. Half the time they try a new IP, initial sales fall short. Every pikmin has a chibi robo, every animal crossing has a doshin the giant. Also; Wonderful 101 is an IP owned by nintendo. If you own a wii U, get it: it’s awesome! jay I don’t think Nintendo owns that IP. Arthur Jarret I believe they do own the IP… just not the studio that built it. It’s in the licensing information on the credits in the game. jay You may be right, but I swear they didn’t own it. Daniel Gonzalez They don’t own it. They just publish it. Big difference. Far as we know it wasn’t stated as their IP. Only way it is there’s if Nintendo owned Platinum, in which they don’t. david jarman It was an ip created exclusively for the wii u with the wii gamepad in mind. Regardless of who owns it is still a new ip for nintendo. Just like sony’s ips are all from 2nd parties that are exclusive to Sony products. Daniel Gonzalez I’m correcting him. Nothing more. Has nothing to do if it matters or not. Noted, though. Alexander Kleinwechter how are you correcting me, i was right Daniel Gonzalez Because, they don’t own it. It’s just exclusive. There’s a difference. Daniel Gonzalez That’s exactly what I was saying. Lol. Thanks for repeating it I guess? Alexander Kleinwechter Wonderfull 101 is a nintendo IP so far, its the same thing,like ratchet and clank and playstation, insomniac make the games like ratchet and clank and sony publish it. Sony doesnt actually make the ratchet and clank games. Daniel Gonzalez Of course. However, it doesn’t state whether Nintendo owns the rights to W101. So, with that in mind, Platinum owns the IP unless it’s said otherwise. Just because they publish it,doesn’t mean they own it. Does that mean that Nintendo owns Bayonetta 2? 😛 Alexander Kleinwechter Why wouldn’t nintendo own the rights for wonderfull 101, if they didn’t, sony could just buy the wonderfull 101 to there system for a fee. I am not good at those corparation things, so what i say shouldn’t be serious! Daniel Gonzalez Not to be disrespectful, but I didn’t take it serious. Sony can’t take it since it’s being published by Nintendo and from what I believe, Nintendo invested in the project as well, so the chances of that are unlikely happening. Alexander Kleinwechter so if nintendo help them invent the game,and if its published by nintendo then wonderful 101 is a IP, why are you discussing this in the first place then. Daniel Gonzalez Because the previous commentator was under the impression that Nintendo owns it. Other than that, there’s nothing left to discuss. 😛 John Andalora Half? Really? Maybe i didn’t pay attention to a bunch of them, but most of the games made by Nintendo that were new were also awesome, which is why they got so many games to make numerous sequels from. Arthur Jarret True, but by sales numbers, new IP rarely takes off – so when trying to sell a struggling console it might be better for them to stick to their main franchises, and get new IP later in the consoles life… like they did with the gamecube. It started with the regulars and later on there came new IPs like animal crossing, Geist, Odama, Chibi robo, Batallion wars, Doshin the giant, Pikmin and Eternal darkness. Animal crossing took off, I’m glad pikmin got a second sequel – battalion wars and chibi robo got sequels – but got a pretty limited run (I don’t see battalion wars often, and chibi robo park patrol wasnt even released in europe, and was wallmart only in the US.) Doshin, geist, eternal darkness and odama didn’t make the cut… despite how well the wii u gamepad with built in mic would work for that last one, and the built in camera could be used for great sanity effects in ED… John Andalora I think of the games like Wii Sports, and how that was a completely new IP that literally sold the console and got more people to buy it because it not only showed off the consoles abilities but was simple and intuitive that everyone could get into. I know not every new ip does the best, but clearly the old ones don’t seem to be helping it much either, like Game & Wario or even Pikmin 3 and it leads me to wonder how good an old ip being reused will actually do for a console that’s trying to convince people that it’s something completely different. Arthur Jarret But the new ones nintendo lobied to get exclusive, like zombi U and Wonderful 101, aren’t helping either. Which is odd, because Wonderful 101 really made me feel happy I bought a wii U – even if it were just for that game. It amazes me how many reviewers just don’t seem to grasp the controls – drawing is for easy mode and casual players & the hardcore right stick controls are like doing special moves in fighters, only with a much more lenient detection with better feedback. Luckily, many reviewers that actually spent time to get to know the game are currently releasing their reviews – and most published magazines that don’t need to rush reviews like online reviewers actually give the game 8.5 scores or higher. I hope sales pick up for it, as it would be a great game to turn into a franchise. TCar It would help out! If you look at all of the franchises they do already have, it far outdoes the competition. I would be nice if they went the Epic Mickey route with a Mario game. A bit more realistic but very dark art that follows the franchise but more end of the real world feel to it. John Andalora Actually, it tends to vary depending on game and console. I know that the Wii had great sales few other games accomplish, but as of now the Wii was an amazing once in a blue moon console that worked for everyone. blindtiger wii u only adds to wii’s capabilities… so if wii was “for everyone” wii u is for even more. Daniel Gonzalez With the lack of 3rd party games right now, more like for Nintendo fans. That might change depending how the sales are at the end of this year. John Andalora Question most people are answering through example is this: If Wii U only adds to the Wii, why not just keep the Wii and save $300? david jarman Why would you spend $400 to $500 dollars for a console that barely adds to the experience? Because you want the games that will becoming out on that system. I know you’re not interested in the games that came out for the wii u and that’s cool. But for someone like me who has the wii and does love nintendo games and wants to continue playing them and see what new experience nintendo is doing then yes it was worth the $300 to move on(in my case $350$) I am having a blast playing blops2, I had a blast playing zombiu, I am having an awesome experience and pure joy playing pikmin 3. The wonderful 101 is a blast(tip: don’t draw big pictures) and the game shows I had so much fun with the other games. You’re going to love ps4 like someone is going to love xboxone just like we love the nintendo wii u. Sorry to bother you, but it was a good question. blindtiger because it adds a lot… hd graphics, a “modern” online, a touchscreen controller, an optional ps/xbox type controller. all for less than the rest. all it needs are the games… nintendos are comin. if 3rd parties jump in, wii u will win the war. John Andalora What’s a shame is that the additions are still less than the competition. The HD graphics rise up to current graphic standards and have been the reason why Nintendo delays games (since they need to set themselves to a graphical standard they underestimate), the “modern” online is rather slow, and people don’t make online for it because it’s slow or they don’t think people will buy it, the touch screen that people either base their game around or don’t use inhibits people from making games because they don’t know how, the Pro Controller (which I bought early on) has ridiculously low support, and most of the ones that do support it still need the touchscreen (like MH3U), and cost doesn’t matter without something competitive. People will still buy the competition for more if they feel like it offers more, and while I can see Nintendo is trying with this console, so much of less can only be devastating to their own sales. blindtiger wii u is a work in progress! xbox and ps werent that great when they came out either. have patience… nintendo has not hit their stride yet. everything you complain about will happen. wii u is more than competitive, maybe not the extreme graphics of the newer consoles but who cares?? not me… or the casual consumer. nintendo is going to catch up, dont get depressed! John Andalora I notice a lot of people tend to compare the Wii u to the Xbox or PS3. But here’s the thing: This is the future, where people shouldn’t be making the same mistakes of the past. I also don’t think i should tolerate a poor console jus because the others were poor. If a console has problems, I won’t tolerate them just because the competition had problems too. blindtiger its a learning curve, stop being so demanding. nintendo clearly doesnt know shit about online or hd but they will figure it out and make it different/better than the competition. its not like the old days when you released a console and that was all it could ever be… updates allow for evolution. just wait for it… or dont. nintendo will never be just like the others and i am so thankful. pick a console or buy both. it doesnt really matter. wii u is amazing not only for what it is but also what it will be… and what is so “future” about ps4 or xboxone? better graphics? i just dont care. motion control, 2nd screen and 3d gaming are infinitely more important to me. graphical improvement happens naturally over time… nintendo is innovating and although they arent perfect (and nobody is), they come a lot closer to meeting my needs than sony or microsoft ever could. John Andalora Better to have a future that WORKS rather than one that doesn’t know what they’re doing. Frankly I am disappointed that Nintendo knew they were adding higher graphics to their console, but then didn’t follow through and actually learn how to use it. And frankly I don’t think I’m being too demanding. If they want to get my hopes up with games releasing early, then they better follow up on it rather than delaying it and then pushing it back for graphical concerns. And as for updating a console, I have2 things to say to say: 1) That doesn’t excuse a lack of games. A million updates can’t solve a missing library of games. 2) Being limited to releasing the console in full for what it was left people making sure it was absolutely perfect, rather than releasing a slow loading console and then working months later to make it slightly faster. I get tired of having to update consoles now, it rather bothers me. The “future” for PS4 and Xbone is that they don’t need to constantly try and go outside the box to outdo themselves each time with some new device you gotta either waggle or rotate. Nintendo’s most “innovative” thing was the Wii, but Xbone and PS4 realize that people want to play games, so they made their consoles able to hold bigger games with an easier way to put games on it so more and more games can be had. That’s the future. I liked motion control for a while, but I soon found that it didn’t really enhance gameplay for me as much as just pushing a button to do the same thing. I like Nintendo, but I feel that the innovation needs to come from their games, and their games recently haven’t been really innovative, or even things that I’m glad we have a new gamepad for over a controller. Some of them feel like gimmicks, like Game & Wario, and it’s just not something that works for me. If it does for you, that’s great. But I just want to play games that don’t feel obligated to work with the gamepad to show off all the new features it can do. And btw, what exactly do you mean by “3D gaming?” Do you mean the 3DS gimmick or games that have a 3D element or what? I don’t understand what that is. blindtiger yes i think a console should be perfect upon release but thats not how it is… or was… or will be… nintendo underestimated the extent of developing hd games. it was a mistake, forgiveness is a virtue. do you have a wii u? the gamepad is so far from a gimmick its a silly argument. it adds a lot of features. the motion control got a bad rep from all the shovelware. all i gotta say is look at skyward sword… i never want to press a button to swing a sword again! and the potential is endless if devs had any imagination. did nintendo do it perfectly? no… but they are at least advancing gaming in a new direction. trust me i HATE the current state of the wii u. for months i have mostly used it for internet. but i have an imagination and i know nintendo does too… and to me, its worth the wait. am i frustrated? yes. but ill get over it. i dont really like many of the games. game and wario is so weird, def not for me. but people on miiverse like it so im not gonna hate. i own nsmbu, nintendoland, nfs and blops2. all very good games (actually nintendoland is pretty average). but theres like 10 awesome games out this year! i need more money for all the games. maybe you need a ton of games. maybe you like pressing buttons like its 1985… thats cool. buy a ps4. but dont hate on wii u because its not for you. i dont hate on ps4… i just have better things to spend money on than another console and a stack of games. i agree that nintendos forced gamepad use is hurting 3rd party development and should be stopped. but devs are so lazy and uncreative that they dont realize the gamepad makes most games better. so i dont care THAT much. as far as 3d i mean with a 3dtv glasses setup that some games have but that they dont advertise and nobody talks about… its so awesome to me! again, not perfect now but man i cant wait for the future! John Andalora I do have a Wii U, and right now I’m playing Rayman Legends on it. I bought the darn thing for that game, so I figured I may as well play it on the console I originally wanted it for. Took me an hour to drive just to get a copy, but the game is a lot of fun. However, no more fun than Rayman Origins, a game that didn’t need a gamepad or extra screen to be fun, and worked with only buttons and 2D platforming. And considering how 1985 that all sounds, it’s one of the best games I’ve played to date. See, when I think of a “gimmick,” I think of something that I feel neither enhances or changes gameplay, but is merely there because it can be for arbitrary purposes (showing off the console rather than integrating with gameplay). While I think that the gamepad could’ve been a really interesting thing, the only games that I felt it actually worked in favor of were ZombiU and Chasing Aurora, and only slightly. NSMBU and Game & Wario didn’t really add anything I would have missed, and NintendoLand was fun for a bit, but I definitely enjoyed Wii Sports for longer. MH3U is no better with a gamepad than without, and W101 demo I use the right stick because the gamepad doesn’t read my drawings as well. Don’t get me wrong, the Wii U would be a fine console if there were the games to support it. But Rayman Legends has been the first time I touched the console in 2 months, and I’ve been noting that none of the games thus far I’d have been sorrowful not to have played without the GamePad. Even now on Rayman Legends I note that I like looking at the TV better and am not a massive fan of the fairy missions because I’d prefer my 32 inch to the 6 inch, especially with differences in color and sound quality. I think I’d rather just become immersed with a controller in my hand than switching between screens for an experience that doesn’t add to anything. And I also played Skyward Sword. Didn’t really get too attached to it. It was merely okay. blindtiger i think we agree more than we dont… wii u needs games period. the games out now do not do anything revolutionary with the gamepad but i believe the potential is there. even a map and inventory, as simple as it is, does enhance gameplay. not enough to warrant the system alone but it does enhance. and it will enhance more as time goes on. i havent played splinter cell but the idea of using the gamepad for the little snake cam and the remote helicopter thing sounds really cool. if you use your imagination you can see a lot of uses for the gamepad… or maybe i should just work for nintendo… i agree about touchscreen controls. the reason i hate tablets and love the gamepad are the same… buttons. tablet gaming is terrible and the wii u screen is even worse. what it does do is allow use of a stylus. a stylus that creates amazing art in art academy. to me seeing what people can draw on this thing completely warrants abandoning the multitouch capacitive standard. esp since touch gaming is lame to begin with. and maybe its just a difference of opinion but i want to wave a wiimote like a sword… it just feels right even if its not perfected by the tech or the games. i cant go back to buttons alone… to me its like hooking a vcr to an hdtv… just wrong. i felt the wii never really lived up to its potential. i am so happy they didnt abandon the original concept. they only added to it with wiimote plus, and now hd graphics, gamepad, hard drive and better online… maybe i am naive but my dreams for wii/wii u are still alive and for that… id like thank you nintendo John Andalora I think you might be right on the whole agreeing thing. I think I’d like some more controls with the GamePad that don’t necessarily require looking at it. That may sound bad, but hear me out. When I was playing Killzone Mercenary for Vita, it had some additional “buttons” on the touchpad that, while being odd at first, fit right in very quickly that I started pressing without thinking twice about it. So many features could be added with more and more buttons, and without needing to make more analog buttons, they could do a bunch of things. ZombiU had a nice idea with the inventory in slots, but I always had to look down to get to the inventory I needed and then move my hand and press it. I think perhaps a way to separate weapons on the far right that people could remember the spots of would save more for the buttons. The art is nice, definitely, but the whole basing it for games is still a little weak. Not quite what I was expecting when I first bought it. As for the sword swinging, I guess I kind of want something that can’t really be put in the controller yet: feedback. With games like Wii Sports with passive movement, it felt very natural to me to make the swings for it because the bat or club would go the same way. However, with sword fighting, when swords clash, there’s a sort of pushback that you get from your opponent which the Wii controller could never satisfy for me. I just couldn’t really deal with it. Frankly, I think Nintendo could’ve done great with the GamePad if they made it a side peripheral that you could purchase later down the line, and made the Wii U an HD Wii with some more capabilities. But having it as the main device leaves a lot left undone and forces people to make something different rather than just enticing them to make something for it. That’s just my thought, though. The GamePad is an interesting thing, but I’m still lukewarm to it. Daniel Gonzalez Perhaps it’s because you’re growing out of Nintendo games. In which case, maybe they should create new IPs. Their games don’t appeal to me with the exception of Smash Bros. John Andalora I don’t know… Maybe I should just take a break from Nintendo. I like them, and have been playing Nintendo since the N64, so maybe i just need to stop playing for a while and come back when the time is right. Daniel Gonzalez Nothing wrong with that. I’m on a break from Nintendo because I just like what Sony offers for the time being. When the Wii U(if) kicks in, then I might be swayed to come back. I still play the old school games, but their newer games aren’t that appealing to me. John Andalora I’ll probably just hold off buying the next console so hastily. david jarman Then why are you here? To support the people who give us a hard time on a nintendo wii u fansite? Do you even own one? Just asking. Daniel Gonzalez So I need to own one to have an opinion on it? Lol. Is that what you’re saying. No, I dont. Why would I with the lack of games for it? Do I want one eventually? Course, but not at it’s current state. Why am I here? To add to the discussion like everyone else. Just because someone doesn’t own the Wii U, doesn’t mean they have no right to express their opinions on it. I have no intentions to troll nor have I. Of course, some diehard fanboys get upset and pull out the troll card whenever you give fair criticism. 😛 david jarman How can you form an honest opinion of something you haven’t fully experienced? See with John. I would approach him different now cause I know he owns one. Its just sometimes you come on here expressing your opinion as if you do have one. Saying nothing appeals to you is not the same as I’ve played that before and it did nothing for me. Someone mention in comment on this thread that their friend had no interest in nintendo and never had one or ever cared to play a mario game until he played mario galaxy and loved it. You don’t know if something is truly a gem unless you’ve tried it. It’s like food. There’s a lot of food out there don’t look appealing, but are delicious. So, the main reason I asked was just to see how I should approach or respond to you in future conversations. Daniel Gonzalez I form an opinion from what I see through the media. Why do I need to own one to have any kind of opinion? That doesn’t make sense. I suppose you have your reasons for it, but I have mine as well. Also, I been a Nintendo gamer since the NES, been there, done that. I know what to expect from Nintendo, and it seems to be the same deal pretty much. It’s like I said, if they have some better games in the future that appeal to me, then I will buy one. For now, I’m going to give my thoughts on it, cause as I said before, you don’t need to have one to give fair criticism. Appreciate you not responding like a crazy fanboy. My respects. Tron Javolta Daniel you’re entitled to your opinion, but you sort of do need to own one to speak about not liking it right? I mean you can say what you want, but You’re pretty much saying you don’t like it just based on CERTAIN media reports, do you always believe what the media says? I mean the system has games, plenty of them, and you’re stating that it doesn’t (and you don’t even own the system). The fact of the matter is you DO need to own one to give a fair criticism, TRULY fair criticism. Like I said before you can’t base your feelings on something based on media reports without FULLY experiencing it. Have you played Monster Hunter Ultimate (I have around 100 hours in this game)? Lego City Stories? Splinter Cell Blacklist? Zombi U? Disney Infinity? Mario Bros U (Luigi U)? Nano Assault? Pikmin 3? I’m not saying you can’t say you don’t like it, but is it REALLY fair to say that when you haven’t fully experienced what they are offering? This is like me saying that a movie sucks that I have never seen before, and giving criticisms on it. You seem like a Nintendo fan, but I just don’t think it’s at all fair the way you are going about it. Daniel Gonzalez No, I don’t need to own one. Lol. Anyone can criticize it without having one. I go by the stories, so my discussions go by that. I make that clear each time. If that offends people so much, then perhaps they should stop reading my comments. No one forces them to respond.Plus, not my problem if people get upset over it.I don’t need a Wii U to know that it’s failing big time on sales. Whether you think that’s fair, is your opinion and you’re entitled to it. I’m fine with that. wimpykid456 You’re tired of Smash Bros.? But a new one hasn’t even come out for six years. That sounds like plenty of time between sequels. Although I do agree that new Mario Kart and NSMB games are being made like flies, but they still aren’t made as fast as new CoD games. Daniel Gonzalez I think Nintendo fans themselves are happy. However, new comers may not be. That’s the problem with Nintendo, they need to cater to the new generation of gamers. While their games are fun, it’s not what all of them want. Which is why the move on to Sony and Microsoft as well as the former Nintendo gamers. With the money they have, I don’t think it’d hurt, but that’s just me. fireheartis1 I do agree that new IP’s need to be made, but the old IP’s also are appealing to new comers. I have a friend who thought he would never enjoy a Mario game that’s why he’s always bought PS consoles, but I finally got him to try Mario Galaxy a week ago and he loved it. He went out and bought a Wii U so he can play Mario Galaxy and now he’s very excited for Mario 3D World. I think it just comes down to actually playing the game to see what they are all about. Most haters of Nintendo games like Mario and Zelda have actually never played the series before. That’s why next week I’ll talk him into finally trying LoZ: Twilight Princess. It’s another franchise he blindly hates because he’s always played PS. I can’t wait to see his face on this one. blindtiger if third parties published on wii u the new generation of gamers could be appeased right alongside the old one on ONE CONSOLE. nintendo doesnt need to do anything but move units and keep filling their niche. therealruben1 I think Miyamoto is working on a new franchise Mario That’s what I heard in one of the posts on this site. I wonder what It’ll be..? It’ll probably be “interesting”… John Andalora I heard, but just because we hear he’s working on a new one doesn’t mean anything until we actually see what it is. It could just be something like Wii fit or Wii Music, which, while unique at first, wears thin pretty quickly. Or it could be something horrendous. We don’t know. So while I wait to hear what it is, I certainly don’t get my hopes up. therealruben1 Those games are part of the wii franchise. John Andalora What i mean is that this “new franchise” could be the absolutely worst thing we’ve ever seen, so I don’t wish to get my hopes up if it’s bad, and be pleasantly surprised if it’s good. e_rocket what do you want them to do? New franchises don’t sell as much as old ones, see whats happening with the wonderful 101, and the game looks amazing. jay They CAN sell more than old ones. It’s just a little more risky. Daniel Gonzalez Nintendo needs to take those risks. They don’t have anything to lose. Sony and Microsoft take those same risks. This is how the gaming industry evolves. david jarman Bad examples. A lot of game developers that took those risks with Sony and Microsoft are shutting or are having financial issues. New ip doesn’t always mean success. There are so many ip’s out there that were stellar but nobody care and they were quickly swept under the rug. That is why you are seeing a trend with ALL major gaming publishers and developers are making franchises and are not always making a new ip. The new ips I see these days have really not been new. Same game different skin. The point we keep missing about video games is that we are suppose to be playing them cause they are fun. There was a time I quit playing nintendo for awhile, but now look at me defend the shit out of them cause I played just about every console to death and you WILL at some point in time get board and jump ship either to something new or something you miss. I will always go back to nintendo cause there is something that they do that the other two don’t quite do for me and I know it can be said the other way around and that is just my point. John Andalora And is that all video games are about? Which ones get the most sales? Is it not about new experiences rather than continually reliving the old? Is it not about making games that garner that fandom rather than just exploit it? But a quick question about Wonderful 101? Have you seen a TV commercial for it? Gaming magazines? Anything without actively searching for it? I haven’t. I think the reason it’s not selling well is because no one knows about it. Mario You’re right about the reason games are made for. And you might be right about the advertising of The wonderful 101. …They really need to make that advertising stuff for the WiiU work better… John Andalora The issue is that their advertising tends to go for the people who already know or actively look into it. Now Nintendo’s gotta try to grab the people who don’t and show them why they should care. david jarman I saw an ad in GameInformer which really doesn’t do much. T.v. Ad what have been more effective. Cyrus game doesn’t sell well not because its new but because it seems to be no fun at all. Elitepwnsface I respect that opinion. But its a game that will sell consoles. They need it desperately right now. I personally am not a huge fan of it myself. I played the shit out of the first 2, but the wii Smash didn’t satisfy. I am hoping a better build this time around with the current producer. John Andalora Question: How many Wii consoles were sold by the release date of SSBB? 24 million. When was SSBB released? March 2008, about 1 year and 4 months after the Wii’s initial release. Now, when is SSBU slated for release? 2014, which means about the same time would have passed since the Wii and SSBB release. I hve an honest theory that SSB games only do as well as the console they are made on. Note that SSB and SSBM didn’t garner the same attention as SSBB, and with plenty of people already buying the console, more and more people could buy SSBB without thinking of it as a $300 cost for system and game, but a $60 for what looked like a cool game. Just a theory, but something to possibly chew on. Andreas Sunde Miyamoto has been working on a completely new IP for a couple of years. Expected to be released soon. John Andalora Yeah, but as I’ve discussed with others, no one knows what that is. It could be the worst thing we’ve ever seen. Even great masters of their craft can screw up once in a while, and I don’t want to get my hopes up only to learn that it’s just a bad game. I’m waiting until we hear about it before getting excited. Rukiafan Rukiachan Sony copy Nintendo’ Yup. andrewjcole And it takes them a while to come up with these “new ideas”. Archiq09 no news -_- e_rocket And don’t forget the vita ps4 integration trying to do what the Wii U Game pad does… Nintendo have good ideas, now lets see if they start having good sales, hope they does. jay Bet you guys didn’t know about this one: Sony’s attempt to copy the DS. Failed so miserably they buried it hoping no one would find out. Zorpix does it have a name? NintendoNoob the PeeS Mario So much for that secret. Daniel Gonzalez Never heard about that. Plus I don’t buy into rumors. I’ll have to look into that. jay No one said it was a rumor dumb ass. You can still buy one on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Tablet-P-Dual-Screen-Android-4G-WiFi-AT-T-Black-/290919802947?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item43bc2be843 Daniel Gonzalez Do you insult anyone for not reading about everything that comes on the internet? Lol. This is why I don’t take your type as serious. Cause you bent out of shape over what someone has to say. 😛 Get out and live life a little and maybe you won’t be so mad. I’m gonna take it that you’re a teenager or an immature young adult. Now try coming at me with full maturity rather than a diehard fanboy. See? No insults at all there. So who is the real dumbass? You basically just mirror what you see in yourself. Touchscreen products been around for years, Sony didn’t copy anyone. Nintendo did. Good day to you. 🙂 greengecko007 Yes, because clearly a dual screen tablet is obviously a copy of a handheld gaming device. So who exactly did Nintendo copy touch screen technology from? Daniel Gonzalez That and the fact they were sued over 3DS technology. So much for being innovative, eh? Silly people and their fandom. Steven_Segal ”Oh my God, I want one, I’m gonna sell my Wii U and 3ds so I can buy one”. – said no one… EVER! fireheartis1 I remember this, but it wasn’t an attempt to follow the DS. It was an attempt to give the Ipad some competition. I don’t even remember it having anything to do with videogames actually. It actually sounded pretty cool to me. I wonder why they gave up on it. fireheartis1 LOL a down vote for telling the truth about a Sony product. Ok is Mr.DownVote back or something? Mario Let’s hope not. He and his “brother” were annoying! Daniel Gonzalez If you think about it, up or downvotes are irrelevant. People abuse them one way or another. Which is why I ignore them. They’re just numbers that don’t matter. Personally, they should just be removed. Arthur Jarret Great comment, you deserve an upvote for that! jay its that Daniel dude and “truth”teller. Daniel Gonzalez Or perhaps it was someone who didn’t agree with his comments. Ever thought about that? And, for the record, no, it wasn’t me. 😛 HyperTallih Android Monomon Android probably.Look in the corners.Time,battery,home,back,menu. Guest Here, I fixed it for you 😀 Ducked Mario Kart has been out longer then 2008. rp17 And Sony has copied Mario Kart before with Crash Team Racing and such Ducked That was actually Naughty Dog, but I can’t complain because Crash Bandicoot is legendary. Rukiafan Rukiachan Danm, you beat me up!!! /= HyperTallih you forgot xbox one greengecko007 Ouch, Sony remote play was shown at E3 2006. Might want to fix that. Guest Here i fixed it for you! JustAGuest Why do the hands holding the wiimote look so different than normal? Nintendo usually uses the same hand model for everything and I believe it’s a chick, not a dude. Or maybe it’s sad that I noticed. C4 Not that propaganda again. C4 Many indie games look like copy of game xyz. Prototype of that kind of fighting game has been developed by the dev team until Sony noticed them, and made them use characters of Sony IPs. greengecko007 “The difference in gameplay and structure between the two is non-existant.” Typical. You obviously haven’t played both games. Please tell me more about how you knock your opponent off the screen in Playstation All Stars to win, because you don’t. Thomas Fitzgibbon I will, All Stars just has your character disintegrate when their health reaches zero…a much more bland design choice than Smash Brothers. Sony says they innovate but they took an already invented idea and made it boring. I don’t like boring games, hence why I play Nintendo games. Don’t get me wrong, Sony do some top notch adult orientated games but when it comes to the younger audience, universal games or control concepts, Sony are not afraid to steal or copy every idea they can from Nintendo. You would have to be and idiot or blind to deny it. This has never happened in reverse (or not as glaringly obvious) just to clarify. greengecko007 While you are at it, tell me all about how Nintendo invented the idea of crossover fighting games, because I love telling people that Marvel vs Capcom and all of those other crossover fighting games came out years before Super Smash Bros. Nintendo took a pre-existing idea and made it their own, by adding their own characters, and play style. But when Sony does it, they are copying Nintendo? Newsflash, it wasn’t Nintendo’s idea to begin with. Thomas Fitzgibbon Well of course I know Nintendo didn’t invent the fighting genre but Smash Bros isn’t exactly a fighting game in technical terms. Plus you just said exactly why Smash Bros is unique. They gave it their own “play style”. Most fighting (using that word loosely) games are just 1 vs 1 affairs set on an immobile arena. Nintendo took the roster up to 4, made it lightning fast, gave it interactive arenas and threw in power-ups and the like. Playstation All Stars sounds a little too similar to the SB formula for many people’s liking. Was it asking too much of Sony to create a “fighting” game with a design and “play style” of it’s own? Honestly, if you took All Stars and put Ninty characters and stages in it without altering anything else of that game’s features and DNA, you would think it was an actual Smash Brothers game. greengecko007 All I can tell you is, you don’t play All Stars the same way. You win in Super Smash Bros. by knocking your opponent off the screen using the percent based mechanics. You win All Stars by reducing your opponents health and finishing them off. All Stars has 20 characters to play as, not exactly bad. Super Smash Bros. may have more, but how many of them are clones, or have the same fighting style? All Stars introduced cross over stages. And here, I love this quote from IGN’s review of the game. The context is talking about the unfair comparison to Super Smash Bros. and how ignorant people say it’s a copy. “because making believers out of skeptics will first require them to play it.” If you think this game is a copy of Super Smash Bros, you haven’t played it, because it’s not hard to see that they aren’t that similar. Thomas Fitzgibbon Meh…the article was clearly wriiten by a Sony fanboy, it’s FUCKING IGN, they are famed for being Playstation whores and biased against Nintendo, so of course they are going to foolishly try and defend Sony, it just makes them look like idiots, not accepting the truth. greengecko007 “it just makes them look like idiots, not accepting the truth.” Hilariously ironic. Tell me, are you just typing out of your bum now? Please elaborate how IGN is so biased against Nintendo that they absolutely hated giving 9+ scores to Skyward Sword, Animal Crossing : New Leaf, New Super Mario Bros. U, Xenoblade, Fire Emblem : Awakening, and tons more. IGN loves Nintendo, and gives them some of the highest reviews around the internet. You make this too easy. Thomas Fitzgibbon I’ll have to say recently IGN have been praising Nintendo, especially the 3DS and did do a lot of promotion for Pikmin 3 and the like which was kind. The article about Nintendo vs Postmodernism was an interesting read as well. But they frequently make sly digs at Nintendo and it is really irritating. For example; check the Pikmin 3 – How far did you get? article and one of the options was “I’ll play it as soon as remember where I put my Wii U”. Honestly was that really necessary? It’s just like the “my Wii is gathering dust” scenario. The Wii U isn’t completely devoid of titles and lacking in interest with gamers that own it. Did you ever see things like “Where did I put my Vita?” No, you didn’t even though that has a very small library (at the moment) of games as well. I hate sounding like a fanboy coz truthfully I’m not. I actually own a Vita, 360 and PS3 as well which I all adore. My home is with Nintendo as I never really tired of their games and I don’t think people really appreciate what Nintendo has done for the computer games industry and some hardcore fanboys of Sony and Microsoft just want to see them whither and perish which is a bit cruel. Nintendo are viciously stubborn yes and make some pretty ridiculous ideas and decisions, but it’s the games they produce that keep people interested in them. I apologise if I have given the impression to you of being an obnoxious and hypocritical die-hard fanboy, coz that’s not who I am…really! greengecko007 IGN loves Nintendo, and like some longtime Nintendo fans, they remember that Nintendo has been in better positions. They give Nintendo games some of the highest reviews around, but in general they are still pretty fair. They weren’t afraid to hype up Kirby’s Epic Yarn, praise its art style and creativity, and give it a really high score, even though it is a game primarily targeted at younger players. They also weren’t afraid to give Game & Wario a mediocre score, because that was exactly the amount of effort Nintendo put into the game. On any news site that isn’t 100% biased either way, you are going to get positive and negative news, because nothing is ever always bad or always good. “Did you ever see things like “Where did I put my Vita?” Um, yes. I saw articles criticizing the Vita all the time when it first came out on IGN. I hope this has enlightened you on IGN, because they are a really professional website that takes pride in what they do. Mario I agree with you. What matters is to have fun! I really don’t care what console is the best. Each console shines in their own way. prettypinkpanacea That comic strip is gold and exactly how it occurs either virtually or in reality 😛 Linskarmo Honestly, I felt just like the blond guy in that comic recently, and in a very similar situation. I try to avoid confrontation at such times. Daniel Gonzalez I think even with a fair point on both sides, you’d still get downvoted. It is a Nintendo driven site afterall. Personally I don’t care, I just say what I wanna say regardless of how people may take it. Can’t please them all. Linskarmo I was talking about a physical conversation with some of my classmates, actually. I have trouble staying calm when I get angry, so the best for me is to move on. Ducked OMG THIS IS SO TRUE Magnus Eriksson Funny, but probably very untrue. Nintendo is soon a year into Wii U’s console lifecycle. The prospects for the future are not looking too good either. Yes, there will come another Mario, this time in 3D-land look. There is a Zelda remake in the coming. Smash Bros and Mario Kart is also on the way in 2014. But thats about it really. Ok, there will be a Donkey Kong and a Bayonetta 2 aswell as some Xenoblade type of game too. But is that enough? No, its probably not. Consider: The widely considered BEST of all Smash Bros’es was Melee. It came out on Gamecube at launch. Then compare Wii U sales to GCN sales the first year… Wii U sold worse, but the numbers are similar. After Melee we had yet another Smash Bros on Wii, not as good but sold better due to huge installbase. Wii U does not have the same installbase as the Wii and Melee was unable to move the huge sales on GCN. Why would it be different on the Wii U? Why do people believe that this multi rehearsed game will move sales of Wii U? Also it is released on 3DS at the same time. Will 3DS owners who does not own a Wii U buy a console+game for about 350$ or just get the game on 3DS? Very likely they will only get the 3DS version. And those are probably the most potential buyers of a Wii U too… So what about Zelda Windwaker? Will that move consoles? Maybe some, but not that many. The game was unable to make the GCN a success. Why would it be different now? Its a repackaged and graphically modified game at almost full price. My guess is that about 50% of Wii U owners had this game on GCN too. Its a qualified guess as there is probably around 2 million really hardcore Ninty fans around the world who got evey system, and of course smash hits as this one. If half of them says that they already played it and wont bother the to buy it due to minimal changes in the game – Nintendo has a problem. Then they are selling an old game to an even smaller install base, and that to a very high price. Mario Kart? Sold smashingly well on Wii U, a console that had a HUGE install base at the time. But how did it do on GCN? Not to well. But this MIGHT be an interesting card anyways. But it wont move the millions. DKCF? Also sold good on Wii. But does this game look too different and new? It looks as little new as NSMBU did to NSMBWii, and will probably move even less consoles than NSMBU was able to do. Also the DK game was criticized for looking to much as its forerunner. They changed the fur on DK and added a limited camera feature. Not that interesting really… Super Mario 3D World… Well its not really 3D. And its not a new idea. Catsuit Mario is not as cool as a new type of 3D game was on 3DS in 3D a couple of years ago. But its christmas time, so it will probably move some sales of the console. Together with DKCF it might move a couple of million consoles in christmas. 6M total consoles sold at january 1st is my most optimistic guess. http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/08/15/the-struggles-of-marketing-the-gamecube/ therealruben1 Youre acting like the wii u will die in a year and those are its final games.Theres still many games to come.Wii fit u and wii party u,Miyamotos new franchise,a new original zelda,and probably mario party.There are still many games to come.Meele didnt come out at launch.While it did come out a month later the gamecube would have sold more if it came out at launch.And the wii u hasnt been out for a full year.Plus the 360 and ps3 didnt do so good its firt months.That could happen to the ps4 and xbox one. Magnus Eriksson Wii U is a dying console yes. The last quarter sales is a proof of this. 160000 sold is horrible bad. One year in the cycle and everything looks even worse than it did half a year ago. It is CLEARLY a loss business for Nintendo. It will very likely be their worst selling console to date. And that is in a time where games is much more expensive to produce. So yes, its dying if you by dying means a financial failure. edit: This new Zelda… thats just talk. Mr. Anouma said it himself. And there wont be any expensive Zelda game on a console with this small install base. If we are lucky we will get something in a transition phase as we did with TP on GCN and Wii, but thats kind of unlikely too… david jarman Actually the new Zelda game has been in the makings for awhile and is nintendo largest team ever to work on a game. Daniel Gonzalez If they’re playing GTA V, I don’t think they’re gonna care about Smash Bros. Lol. I found the comic strip amusing, but also it’s not even close to being reality.I Iike Smash Bros, but it’s not a huge seller like GTA is. You here more about it than Nintendo. That’s not to say Smash sucks, there’s just more people who like GTA. Nonetheless, funny strip. Alex great console … for 2005 Severus Swerve And in come the PC Master Race douches Sdudyoy Sadly that’s not what everyone thinks, although I agree there will be alot of people who disagree. A_7 i love the second statement. So true! Zakariyya Al-Quran HEy its me i accidentally deleted your miiverse accounts from my friends list so can you add me: I am zakmza123 Anyway how was ramadan with you A_7 Sure i will add you as soon as i get back from my travel. Ramadan was great thnx for asking how was yours? Jon I don’t think I buy any game based on graphics…. sure they help to an extent but graphics have never been a deciding factor for me. Jake Well I will be buying a Xbox 1 for the hardware. But it is true , I won’t have the same experience when I play a ps4 game and ESPECIALLY a Wii u game. (But my online expirence will be on Xb) Lil J Moore Thank you. The more people realize this the better. I don’t care about graphics as much as gameplay and story. You can have the best looking game in the world and it wouldn’t be much without good gameplay or a engaging story. Mario Kart 8 and X are the best looking games I’ve seen so far even better the the last of us. jay Of course they look better than The Last of Us, that’s a last gen game. Lil J Moore That’s not what I meant. I mean even to this day some games on the gamecube and Wii like Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 and TP looks better then most 360 and Ps3 games. jay The best looking games last gen were MArio Galaxy and DKC Returns according to what I’ve read. But it’s unfair to compare a ps3 game with a Wii U one. Truthteller You can have the best looking system, but without any games, you have nothing more than an Atari Jaguar! JBeauregard True. It’s like when people say, “Don’t judge a book by its cover.” While that’s the case, the cover of a book creates a lot of sales, too. The Wii U doesn’t have a graphic issue, it has lack of content issue. And that’s all being resolved VERY shortly! jay Have you noticed how people are no longer bashing the Wii U’s graphic capabilities? I warned people that the XBOne/ps4 wouldn’t be so graphically advanced. Rukiafan Rukiachan It’s already begun! http://pixelenemy.com/battlefield-4-on-ps4-comparable-to-medium-settings-on-pc-like-night-day-difference-to-current-gen-version/ jay Yeah there was another article that said developers were having a hard time scaling the game to ps4. The truth is, if you want to see a graphics jump, buy yourself a nice computer. But consoles will be similar regardless this coming gen. Levi Johansen truth is that there is basically no graphics jump this generation, and there probably never will be again. Not for any console or even for PC. Truthteller Are you sick? Tessellation alone (when used to high degrees) is a huge graphic jump! Everything finally being 1080P/60 is a huge jump. Have you seen that Roman game on the X1? jay Dude you don’t know a Hard Drive from a Flash Drive. Every time you attempt to get technical you just end up sounding stupid. Truthteller All you know are Nintendo specs, I know computer specs. Calling one stupid and proving it are two different things. Levi Johansen Nope, not a huge jump. We had 1080p/60fps last gen aswell. Not in every game, but in quite a few. It’s not a huge jump, most the time we will not even notice any difference this genreration, like with Battefield 4; no significant difference! Truthteller Hater… YogiGRB Whahahahahahahahahahaha ….. you of all people ….. lmao ….. Whahahahahahahahahahahahaha …. please read your own comments back before being a hypocrite ….. whahahahahahahahahahaha …. you sir made my day with this statement ….. lol …… jay I warned you too dumb ass. Truthteller Even at that level, it is still more powerful than the Wii U. It’s not as if any of these systems used GPUs from the top of the line series., or even second from the top. david jarman Who cares if they are more powerful. Nintendo games are fun. Truthteller SOME Nintendo games are fun. If it was like that, the Wii U would sell. Mario Correction, many Nintendo games are fun. I just can’t play them all (mostly because I don’t have the money fo buy these games). david jarman Cause some people don’t know they are fun cause they are expected to like what everyone else likes. That’s why I don’t like calling people hardcore gamers like you. You’re more mainstream cause you prefer what is more popular. People say that nintendo rehashes but the truth of the matter is every big name rehashes. You’re not waiting for Grand theft auto 1 are you? Regardless of how popular a games is does not make it any less fun then something like call of duty(which I play). I also enjoy pikmin 3 as alternative means of enjoyment. Which nintendo brings me and satisfies me by giving me and a lot of older gamers a different experience. Daniel Gonzalez Does his opinion bother you that much, though? I do happen to agree though, if it is fun for people, then why aren’t people buying a Wii U? Especially since it has quality games being released this fall and winter. It is a good question. There are some good titles out there even now. I won’t spread the doom and gloom that some try to do, but it’s not unheard of for a Nintendo system to fail. Remember the Virtual Boy? Don’t forget the famicom and n64 disk systems that only were released in Japan. I’m not saying the Wii U is done, but no console(as well as their rivals) gets a pass. Nintendo is good, but even the best have their failures. If it does, then they’ll probably discontinue it and prepare for the next console cycle, and if it succeeds, then awesome. david jarman Cause like I said. Some people don’t know it’s fun. Truthteller People are not expected to like what everyone else likes, they like what they like. When the Wii was out, you were saying something different. GTA is about the environment, not a characters. Mario is just Mario. We all know what to expect from Mario or Mario Kart. jay Whats with you and GTA. You always pull it out of nowhere and compare it to mario. Truthteller Look who I responded to and look what he wrote and you will have your answer… david jarman No we live in a world where the media shapes our opinions and tells us what we like. When the wii was out I also had an Xbox 360 and was still playing games for fun. And mario is a character in many environments. Daniel Gonzalez That’s exactly what Nintendo does, as well as Sony and Microsoft. Something I can agree with you on. Truthteller It’s games issue is only a bandaid. After this little flow of games – what next? JBeauregard The games will continue to flow. The Wii U is going to surge this holiday. 3rd parties will start to wake up, and the Wii U will finally receive the support it deserves from the go. I think those that are slow to adopt will be won over with Monolith Softs “X”. I don’t think this is the last gap of air before dying. I think it’s like an overdue baby taking its first breath from the womb. Enjoy it if you want, and if you prefer not to, that’s cool too. I won’t harp on you because of your choices. Truthteller The Wii U deserves nothing. The people deserve a system from Nintendo that is the real deal. Well, with the Wii U flopping and new systems coming, it should give Nintendo a head start on making a more powerful and unique system to bring out with in the next year. JBeauregard Sorry, dude, I can’t help but LOL at that. I get you don’t like Nintendo. I was the same way. I love them now because I’m an adult and can appreciate all sorts of games. Even when I didn’t like them, I didn’t despise them. I just never bought their products, and I never bashed them either. Then again, that’s a sign of maturity, too. You’ll get there, one armpit hair at a time! jay “powerful unique systems” Which are? Ell it’s come to the point where if the games focus too much on graphics, they’ll end up as interactive movies with photo-realistic graphics (why not just actual video footage in this case?) and they’ll barely even be games any more DragonSilths Like Ryse? Johny just like that interactive movie Ryse yes. Truthteller Graphic types should only be determined for game type. No need for photo-realistic games on Nintendo baby games. Mario Ugh! I don’t want that! I want real games! Anthony K Aurelia Real decent actors still cost more than programming one. Andreas Sunde And then David Gage programmed real, good actors, and the world was forever mostly unchanged. SonicLucario Hes right but unfortunately not everyone thinks like him and in all honesty he should be at least a little bit worried but I still do believe that Nintendo can pull themselves out of this one Bob Wilkerson If only this was true.. you will always have the dudebro gamers that will talk about graphics as it is the most important aspect of a game or console or their PC for that matter. victor Well hardware = console ? so good console = good hardware ? Bob Wilkerson Yup… When it comes to consoles the hardware should be affordable, reliable, and offer the capabilities to play great games Anthony K Aurelia Ya know some of us gamers are just tech junkies. I will buy something for its potential, like the WiiU. Mizzah Tee Dat yearbook photo. His body was not yet ready, LOL. Dodge2461x OMG I saw your YT channel. Some funny stuff right there. Mizzah Tee Why thank you FOOS, I hope you subscribe and continue to watch the show 😀 Johny its like we’re just one big family :3 all nintendo fans getting together Mizzah Tee That’s why I’m a Nintendo fan. We’re a passionate bunch. That’s what it’s all about 🙂 Mario GO NINTENDO!! Johny Oh hey dude 😀 im watching your vids on your YT channel… keep up the good work ZeldaFan83 I saw a quote a while back that I thought was pretty funny: “Playing video games for graphics is like watching porn for the story” wiiudaily Actually, it should be the other way around. “Graphics” in porn would be the porn stars… jay Whoa the website replied!! And knows about porn!! ZeldaFan83 Haha…very true Bill Bong Hey I like pretty graphics. Mommy, what is porn? Arthur Jarret But… I do watch porn for the pornstars! However, I’d rather participate than watch – so I do prefer gameplay… but pretty graphics are a must! Truthteller Playing a game not for graphics is like listening to the game. Mercurio2054 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH OH!, COME ON! Daniel Gonzalez Actually, that does make sense when you think about it. Graphics do matter, but it depends in what regard. Mochlum ^ There’s a difference between judging a game by its graphics alone and caring about graphics in a game. Daniel Gonzalez One way or another they’re judged. Mercurio2054 so, the winner is: ” it depends in what regard”. You probably don’t want to play a GTA with cartoons graphic, (only a new IP like GTA with cartoons graphic). So at the end, low graphic is not like “listening to the game.” Jon look at minecraft…are people just listening to mincraft, even more so, it is one of the best selling games on the 360 right now david jarman No, it’s like playing a game for fun. Daniel Gonzalez You need graphics to play those games, right? Jon that is a stupid question. Technically, you don’t need graphics for a game, text base games for example but this conversation is talking about playing games for the high def, realistic graphics. He is saying that he plays games for fun, not the over all quality of the graphics. Daniel Gonzalez Actually it’s not, lol. No one really plays those games of the past anymore, with the exception of some indies. You play games for the fun, of course but that fun comes from the graphics since they’re tied to the gameplay, which makes it fun. Sorry, but it is perfectly relevant. I get what he meant, but his statement still has it’s flaws. Take it how you like. david jarman Nope. We’re not talking about having graphics. Every game now has graphics. His argument is wither or not you need the best graphics to have a great experience. The answer is “no” Daniel Gonzalez Best graphics can mean a lot of things. It doesn’t have to mean state of the art. Pretty graphics also doesn’t mean CoD or Cyrsis graphics, that can also mean Nintendo games too. He never really specified that. Mario I think I rather listen to it than look. Ony Dat portrait. Rman94 I wish more gamers were like Reggie. He understands, sure I mean graphics are impressive and junk but games are about the adventure! I still play Earthbound just because of that. Now if only we could get mother 3… Truthteller Gamers don’t have to be like Reggie, gamers like what they like, not what some has-been company that makes weak systems tells them what they should like, just because they have the weakest system. Deadpool U How are you not banned yet? Seriously we are done with you go to PS4daily or Xbonedaily. All you do is say Nintendo is and done and they failed just because one system is struggling right now seriously get out!! Truthteller No – YOU are done with me. Prove it be ignoring me. Deadpool U You know what I will ignore because I realized something. No matter what you say about Nintendo it doesn’t matter because they single-handedly saved the gaming industry so it doesn’t matter, Nintendo has always been a gaming Juggernaut, Nintendo has always been a one of the most successful companies in history, no matter what happens Nintendo will bring it self back to the top, just because they’re struggling right now that doesn’t mean they’re finished Nintendo won’t go down not like this anyway so I’m officially done with you. Mario They’re like you Deadpool. They always manage to survive somehow. And I’m comparing you to them due to the fact that you can survive despite getting your head cut off. MULTIPLE TIMES!!! Deadpool U Well I have healing factor but Nintendo they’re just that awesome. jay “Has-Been company” lol Truthteller Yeah, they still think that they are on top when they fell off in the 90’s. All they keep doing now is trying to tell people what they had better like. Sony coming into the game was the bet thing to happen to video games. They made the transition from toy devices to computer devices. Nintendo still makes toy devices. Rman94 And yet another reply for the Nintendo troll himself. Who says Nintendo is a has been company? If anything their at the top of their game with the 3ds and the fall line up is gonna continue that trend for them. If you gonna try and. Bad mouth Nintendo I ask you once again why are you even on this site? Mario I know. But I can’t argue why people wish to be like him. I guess they just look up to him. That’s all. Lusunup Please nintendo advertise the shit! out on the console don’t just show the gamepad because a lot of people still don’t know this is a new console. Truthteller They seem to be stepping up the hype machine. Sonic gotta love how people downvote your comment without reading it…. Re4wii2008 There’s nothing wrong with great graphic’s and especially a great atmosphere but Games should be built in the Mind of Gameplay first, Then Story/characters, and then worry about the Graphics and how much it pushes the system! Super Mario Galaxy was probably the best game last generation because it had innovative gameplay that anyone from hardcore gamers to the casual audience could appreciate and looked amazing(Almost made it look like my Wii was outputting to 720p) and had a great atmosphere being up there in space! Hugh Quinn The man is right you know. DragonSilths Reggie said sexy, if that was on the Miiverse he’d get banned by the retarded admins. Clel You’d get your Wii U banned for posting that sentence up there ;p DragonSilths Mhm. Johnny Be Me In a perfect world, this would be amazingly true. Sadly though, this isn’t the case and a lot of people would buy a game because of how amazing it looks. TheDetonator Then why do people upgrade their PCs every year? It is because of the graphics…not the experience. Bob Wilkerson I find that the people that do that do it for the bragging rights. If they are going to put a $300+ graphics card in their computer every year or upgrade their specs constantly just to gain a minor improvement in most cases they are wasting their money IMO. But hey if they got the money to burn then more power to them. Truthteller I upgrade only when a major change in the technology has occurred. Direct X 11 made me upgrade. I am on my second DX11 card (AMD this time) and I see no need to upgrade anytime soon. That’s how I usually do it. Mercurio2054 They don’t upgrade yearly. Johny also in some cases, because they couldnt even RUN newer games without upgrading… thats why consoles rule david jarman Not always for the graphics. I know a lot of people who upgrade just to have the latest thing. I know a lot more people who play cause its fun. Like minecraft. SuperSonicBrawler “Consumers buy hardware because of the experience…” OK, I was still under the impression that consumers bought hardware for the games. An innovative experience is great and all, but unless the hardware has good games, it’s still not a selling point. I’m excited for Sonic Lost World, Wind Waker HD, Super Mario 3D World, and Rayman Legends this holiday season. Not a bad line-up of games, but nothing spectacular. That being said, I think Nintendo will pull through the holidays, but they won’t make a full comeback til 2014. jay Experience = Games Truthteller No game= No experience = no Wii U sales jay DID YOU NOT READ THE ARTICLE YOU DUMB PIECE OF COW SHIT?!! Bob Wilkerson Give up.. Ignore and move on… He is not worth getting mad over. jay I agree, but ignorance is my biggest pet peeve. Bob Wilkerson Well like they say… You can’t fix stupid.. Nothing anyone says is going to change his opinion. We all know he does not know a damn thing about hardware, he names himself truthteller and Knowledgeiswhatsup in the past and yet he knows nothing and tells nothing but lies. So the more we argue with him the more it fuels his ignorance to post more. jay Yeah he’s pretty illiterate when it comes to hardware thats for sure. oh well…. at least we tried to fix stupid… Daniel Gonzalez Then you’re in for a lot of headaches. Jon You keep saying No games, NO games, No games. How blind are you? I have plenty games for my Wii U and a list of games to get. Just because they games don’t appeal to you (which I don’t get why you are here if nothing interests you) does not mean that those are not games. YOU do NOT represent the interests everyone. you are ONE person, just like I am one person. We all have different interests so when you say a game sucks, others like it so stop assuming because you don’t like something, it means everyone else doesn’t like it but… you just keep assuming everything which you are just making an ass of yourself. Truthteller The Wii U has a short list of games and an even shorter one coming up, to the point that you cannot call it a list. Nintendo cannot hold down the Wii U for even on year without meaningful 3rd parties. The system has flopped and nothing can save it. jay “Nintendo cannot hold down the Wii U for even on year without meaningful 3rd parties.” Nintendo held down the Wii almost single-handedly and outsold the competition. And at least Nintendo doesn’t have to RELY on 3rd parties like the ms and sony trololol Daniel Gonzalez Even Nintendo wants 3rd parties. What do you think was the point of the Wii U? To make it 3rd party friendly. I know people hate some people who comment on here, but even they can be truthful. Besides, why waste your time if you hate what someone has to say? Truthteller Come one. Nintendo cannot make enough games to keep the thing alive. Jon Every new console has a short list of games. The Wii U is not even a year old. There are plenty of titles that are listen to be coming to the Wii U. 30+ games in fact that we are aware of in which 20 or so of them are by the end of december. Then at the beginning of the new year, most companies announce even more as they don’t want to take away from the holidays. There are still other titles that still have yet to be announced and then the titles that just come out of no where such. Truthteller After a year, the Will U should have some serious games. Instead, 3rd parties are gone and Nintendo has to trickle in games to keep the systems alive. You cannot sell a system without games or the prospect of them. Truthteller I am one person, but most gamers speak and the told Nintendo that they are not interested in the Wii U. SuperSonicBrawler I don’t know what dictionary you’re using, but those words have very different meanings my friend. Bob Wilkerson Ummm… You cannot experience the console without the games? And if you are “experiencing” the console without playing games please keep that to yourself. SuperSonicBrawler I can’t help but think you were trying to make a sexual joke out of that, but it was in such poor taste I want to think otherwise. As for experiencing a console without games, that’s entirely possible. Miiverse, the Internet app, Nintendo TVii, etc. are all ways of “experiencing” the Wii U without actually playing games on it. My point was simply that experiencing things such as these aren’t what drive people to buy a console (as we’ve seen throughout the past 8 months). His statement about it being critical for Nintendo to have a strong line-up this holiday season, while true, doesn’t change the fact that their holiday line-up doesn’t look all that great to begin with. Mediocre at best. More so due to the fact that only 2 of the games I listed are coming from Nintendo themselves, 1 of which is a remake, and the other a sequel of a 3DS title that probably would have sold better had it stayed exclusive to the 3DS anyway. The remake is of a very good game mind you, but it’s still a remake. If having a strong holiday line-up is so critical in convincing people to buy a Wii U, why don’t Nintendo’s games reflect that? It just seems to me like they’re still relying too much on 3rd party companies and the old “our hardware is the most innovative” gimmick, and not enough on the “hey, we have a crap load of awesome new Nintendo games on our console, so you should buy it” strategy. And it doesn’t look like that’s likely to change until 2014. Bob Wilkerson Some consider those apps games of sort. Still part of the software that makes the console. John Andalora True, but if the experience is not having many games to play for the first year after delays because you can’t make games at a graphical standard you set for yourself, then it’s not exactly what I’d call fun. Aleks I know its your actual JOB to paint a silver lining and nicely bash the compeition but, millions of people DO go for “pretty pictures” Reggie. You have the talent and IP, but you REFUSE to be cutting edge and compete. You CAN be the powerhouse console AND have a tablet controller AND all the third parties on the planet. I know i know- you have Babillions of dollars so you must be doing something right, buuut i think you would not do yourself any diservice if the Wii U was as cool as it is now but WITH the potent guts of the competition. You would be the ONLY system and you would rock the world! Why dont you want this money? Sony and MS wouldn’t exist (in the game biz) if you played your cards right. Make a unique experience AND be a bit more high end, im tired of having 2 systems. jay You would run Nintendo into the ground. Graphics? Wii U can run anything a ps4/XBOne can, the problem is 3rd parties will continue to put excuses unless you pay them. Just look at the Gamecube, it had better graphics than the ps2 yet 3rd parties still had excuses handy. Aleks THAT improvement would run them into the ground?! Come on. I didnt say take anything away from thd WiiU. I didnt say weaken it somehow, did I? I said beef it up. And how the hell do you know that the WiiU can run “anything” the Ps4/Xbox1 can? Do yourself a favor and dont blindly defend your favorite toy company. I am a big fan of Nintendos games. My point was that Ninty could have it all. I for one wouldnt smash or return my WiiU if it was suddenly super fast and with blazing photorealistic 100+ hr Skyrim type games lol. Again, im a fan, but im going to have to get a competing system to play the Skyrims, Dragon Ages and Borderlands of the next generation. jay Again you would run the company into the ground. Beefing up the hardware to be a “Mega graffix machine!” would not only give it a minimal jump in graphics but It’ll push the Wii U past the $500 mark. Self-explanatory. The Wii U CAN run anything those competing consoles do. It’s not science and again designing a $500+ machine just to please a few dudebros would hurt sales. Daniel Gonzalez Dude bros or not, it makes sense. If beefing up consoles was to put them out of business, then why are Sony and Microsoft still here? Lol. It’s not a bad thing, it would appeal to everyone, which was what Nintendo wanted in the first place. They just decided to be cheap about it and it’s not paying off. Can the Wii U run games that the rivals can? Sure, but I doubt at the same level of visual quality. Not all of us are putting Nintendo down, we’re being realistic about it. Hopefully the next console, they’ll learn that they’re gonna have to put up a stronger console. jay You don’t get it. The console would have to cost at least $200 more to see a notable difference. I on the other hand am being realistic. Sony and ms got beat by the Wii. Remember this thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j0ORcH-CV0 Aleks Millions more would have bought it. We’re just gonna have to disagree Jay, and im ok with that.. Neither of us run a billion dollar video game company. If we did we would see ….oh and i would win the war lol. (J/k) jay How old are you? If you’ve been into consoles since the 80’s you’d see that compensating better graphics for price failed every time. In my opinion it’s not worth pleasing a few million people in exchange for 100 million(Wii) Aleks Ive been into gaming since the 80’s. Graphics were not the flaw. Sony exists in gaming because N stumbled. Microsoft exists in gaming because N stumbled. Hind sight IS 20/20. If N adopted the space of discs they wouldnt have created the sony competition. If theyd later adopted a more hd, online-centric approach MS wouldnt be a contender. Remember the PS3 was $600, what, 8 yrs ago! People paid it then. N could give all the worlds fans EVERYTHING they want in a sharp, unique, potent package. My entire point throughout alll these texts has been, (1)im a big fan of their games, but NOT always their business savvy. (2) no one has done more for sony and MS than Nintendo itself, unfortunately. They could be the ONLY system, covering alll concerned bases (and it would not have to cost $600). and actually, even if it did i would buy it and so would MILLIONS and MILLIONS like me who LOVE Nintendo games but are forced by Nintendo to buy a second system to play the other games we love that for NUMEROUS reasons are not on Nintendos machine. Im a tough love fan. I want my favorite to be number 1, not content to be the niche system trying to be an island all by itself. This is as much (more than enough) energy as i want to expend on this topic. Take it or leave it. Its valid and im okay with disagreeing with another fan. “I” want a cutting edge Nintendo system to kick MS and Sony out of the game. I want all their games to have a heavy online component, be visually STUNNING and I want them to host the biggest and the best 3rd party games on the planet, as well as their own near-perfect games. It appears it is too much to ask when even other fans object. It is NOT necessary, it is just a fantasy that would be fun to watch unfold lol. Daniel Gonzalez If that was the case, then why are the PS3 and 360 still selling? Apparently that business model is working for them just fine. Sure, they took a loss for it quite some time, but now they’re making it back and then some with software sales. Wii did do well, no doubt, but it didn’t sell as much software was their rivals. Wii is basically done and now the Wii U is in play. 360 and PS3 are ongoing. Gotta give credit where it’s due, Sony has done a great job balancing both pS3 and ps2 last gen and it’s expected to continue. Perhaps, Nintendo can do the same in the future. Truthteller You guys always go into the past and then you lie about it too. The GameCube only had better graphics than the PS2 when a game was maximized. jay Again, every time you try to get technical you just end up sounding stupid. Truthteller You sound stupid because you don’t know what I am talking about. Mario First of all, I don’t lie about my past. And if I do go to the past, I would go to the good moments. Not the bad ones. Daniel Gonzalez That had to do with Nintendo’s poor choice in media? Why would 3rd parties port their games to the GC if the gamecube mini dvd discs only hold 1.4 gb? I see why they didn’t. That was Nintendo’s own fault. Anthony K Aurelia It also looked like a lunchbox…I did own one and loved it…but it got a lot of flack for the design choices. Daniel Gonzalez I have one and enjoyed the games that I played on it. Of course, that doesn’t mean I worship it. I think some people on this site make their fandom obvious. Yeah, I do expect downvotes each and every time. 😛 Honesty has no place on this site I would say. jay You’re right about their media. It was a bold move to prevent piracy which plagues the market. All their media is exclusive. That’s why I’ve been telling people for over a decade not to expect a DVD or Blu Ray player in a Nintendo console. Daniel Gonzalez I never have. Even so, it wouldn’t kill them to do it. At the very least, it would boost their demographic. People just want dvd or blu ray these days. I don’t see the problem with it. greengecko007 Graphics are a part of the total experience. I doubt Nintendo games would continue to sell well if all future Wii U games were 8 bit. Bob Wilkerson He is not saying that graphics of games do not evolve to get better over time but it is not (or should not) be the primary reason to like a game. There are plenty of games created today and in the past that do not have the most detailed and highest resolution graphics. I guess that is why many of the Virtual Console titles are so popular even today. Truthteller This is what I hate about Nintendo – they want to tell us what we should like! We like what we like. If they can’t compete, then they should say that. They are the idiots who knew the other two were coming with something strong, but they decided to once again have to downplay graphics just because they don’t have it. That kind of talk is admitting that the Wii U is wiik. Mario They’re not idiots! greengecko007 Nintendo only says graphics don’t matter when one of their games isn’t in the limelight for having amazing graphics. Remember Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2? How about Kirby’s Epic Yarn, or Skyward Sword? Graphics are suddenly a valid reason to hype a game when it’s their titles receiving the praise. When Nintendo games outlive their short period of hype and relevance in pop culture, they go back to “We don’t care about graphics”. Johny to a point … one is the power, and limitations to what you can do with that power with the game (for example map sizes, number of particles/objects on screen, more complex engines etc….), and one is those eye candies which exist purely to be looked at and admired. greengecko007 Yeah, but that’s a different thing entirely. Graphics refers to visual attributes like resolution, textures, art style, etc. The technological power of a console allows for better graphics, bigger games, more complex engines and tasks running, etc. What amazes me is the people that say graphics don’t matter, but turn around and praise the Wii U for it’s graphical leap, which other companies did years ago. While Nintendo is learning how to do HD, Sony and Microsoft are getting MMOs that until now, would only be possible on PCs. I love Nintendo, but in the past year or so, they are really changing for the worse. Johny yea 2 different things… but where do you think graphics come from ? yeah… its the POWER of the machine. its SPECS. agree on some people in the community, but from how you’re talking.. you just dont get nintendo. it either isn’t for you, or you’re trolling.. just get ps4 and One then.. but its already showing its not SUCH “MILES” ahead of wii u. atm, wii u is compealing, amazing games coming for it, also abunch of mainstream AAA titles, and 3ds is just doing amazing. i dont know what “changing for the worse” you are talking about greengecko007 “yea 2 different things… but where do you think graphics come from ? yeah… its the POWER of the machine. its SPECS.” Yeah, you just said exactly what I said. Here… “The technological power of a console allows for better graphics, bigger games, more complex engines and tasks running, etc.” Of course there isn’t a big graphical difference between the Wii U and PS4 or Xbox One. Because Sony and Microsoft went HD years ago. This generation is all about making large scale games with 50+ plus person multiplayer options. Meanwhile, Nintendo is having to use twice as many resources as they are used to just to compete. Ventusblade I buy them for the games. That’s where the Wii U beats PS4 and Xbone. Truthteller Really? Where are the Wii U games at? Nintendo no longer makes the best games you know. They can’t be the only supplier of games to the system or it WILL be discontinued after Christmas. Jon Are we going to see you under a new name when the Wii U is still going after Christmas? jay lol he said Smash Bros was gonna be discontinued and ported to Nintendos next console. Truthteller I’ll be here, but will you? I know the Wii U will be discontinued in March. Jon Wow… what are next weeks lottery numbers? I never knew you could see the future jay All Right!! The Wii U is gonna be discontinued in march. Take a screenshot and let’s all hold him up to it. Ventusblade What the hell does your system have? Shitty first-person shooters? Yeah sounds great. Ducked PS4 has a lot more then first person shooters… Sonic so you complain about how “nintendo can’t say what you like” and you’re telling other people that they “don’t make the best games for you” So all you’re doing is pointing out opinions,not facts. Mario Nice profile picture. I see you’re a fan of the Kingdom hearts franchise. Ventusblade Yep, thanks. That dude I think Reggie might be dumb discuss I know. CMB You dare insult reggie!!! Schultz38 I know PLENTY of people that buy hardware just for the graphics. Anyone heard of a, “Graphics whore”? So yeah. I don’t totally agree with Reggie. However, I feel like for every graphics whore, there’s at least 1 or 2 sane people who don’t buy solely on what the graphics look like. His comment just seems a bit too much of a blanket statement to me. jay You’re right but this isn’t the 90’s anymore and the graphics jump is hard to distinguish. Some Wii U games will look better than ps4 and vice versa. We just need to accept it and enjoy the games. oontz ummm, no. No wiiu games will look better than PS4. They may look close and be able to compete, but not better, jay GTA V already looks better than Watch Dogs on the PS4. Mario Kart 8 was the best looking game during E3. This is of course going by the majority opinion of the people. You and I can think differently. oontz “GTA V already looks better than Watch Dogs on the PS4.” No, it doesn’t. “Mario Kart 8 was the best looking game during E3.” No, it wasn’t. jay Read my last 2 sentences again. Thanks for proving my point 🙂 oontz Yes, people will and can think differently. jay Again graphics are subjective. So I was going by the majority of the populations’ opinion. What do I think on the other hand? I really dont care. Last generation many people praised Mario Galaxy as having the best graphics and that was the Wii!! So it’s foolish to think the Wii U can’t outdo the competition this time. oontz “Last generation many people praised Mario Galaxy as having the best graphics and that was the Wii!!” Yes, in all it’s amazing 480p definition glory. Forbsz Reggie is wrong consumers are idiots and will buy the ps4 and xbox one because it’s “new” Truthteller Oh, so were consumers idiots when the Wii sold? jay Okay now you’re admitting the Wii sold when in the past you said it did terrible. Hypocrite. Daniel Gonzalez It sold when it was at it’s peak, but in the last few years, sales declined. Software sales were nowhere near the competition. PS3 and 360 games sell now, and more than the Wii U does. You can point out that the ps3 and 360 had it’s decline, but at this very moment, it’s still selling plenty more. How is the Wii doing? quieT The ps3 and the 360 are currently the newest systems from their company. The Wii has a superior on the shelves. Now please reconsider your last statement. And about the software sales: http://www.vgchartz.com/platforms/ Are you claim, that this site has false information about software sales? If not, well it seems the Wii outsold the competition in that too. And please do not bring up the tie ratio. We all know that nintendo sold the Wii hardware without a loss. Truthteller I never wrote that the Wii never sold. I wrote that it never ‘won’ the last (current) generation as it was a novelty item. Johny yeah :/ lets not even go to apple and their annual iphones Saleh Sbeiti The excuses have already begun? jay What excuse? Saleh Sbeiti Ugh not you again… jay You must have read the wrong article because there is not a single excuse here. “I don’t think consumers buy hardware just because it’s sexy and new. I think consumers buy hardware because of the experiences they can have on them…” An opinion. “That’s why, for us, having a strong holiday line-up is so critically important” He explains that a strong line up is beneficial for the company. “Systems that generate pretty pictures by themselves aren’t selling propositions. All you need to do is look at the last generation to see the evidence”. He explains how great graphics alone are not good selling propositions. The evidence is in every console since the NES. SO BEFORE YOU TYPE ANOTHER IRRELEVANT POST. READ THE DAMN ARTICLE!! Saleh Sbeiti Yeah, he says that after it’s publicly known that PS4 and Xbox One are far superior in terms of hardware. Anthony K Aurelia I actually “bought” the Sega Genesis over Nintendo’s because of how the graphics looked on it as a kid. i was a complete Sega fanboy for years…and still at heart… Ventusblade Has this been confirmed yet? Rukiafan Rukiachan Super Mario 3D World: Launches Nov 22 Ventusblade I was talking about the box art Guest Nintendo says that graphics don’t matter right after they upgrade to High definition… They must matter a little bit for Nintendo to put better graphics in all of their machines. If Nintendo’s hardware was better than Sony or Microsoft, then suddenly, I bet graphics would matter. When companies trash talk the competition it makes me think that they are scared. jay He didn’t say “Wii U graphics suck”, he just said graphics alone won’t push sales. Truthteller If graphics, a controller and the lack of games won’t sell it – what’s left? jay “a lack of games” You answered your own question. Daniel Gonzalez If the holiday games don’t sell by chance, then what next? Keep beating the deadhorse? It’d be best to bury it and wait for the next offspring to emerge. Jon yes but at the same time, they must appeal to the public which everyone wants HD now. But people now are so hyped up on graphics cards they are missing the point to a game which is to have fun and enjoy which is why he is saying graphics are not what make a good game. Truthteller Nintendo does not make fun games and if they had the top graphics, they would use it as a selling point, which they DID try to do with the Wii U, before the PS4 and X1 showed themselves. Hypocrites. Jon how is it hypocritical, They never once said ” We got awesome graphics so our games are great” or anything like they. They told the public that they are now using HD graphics with the Wii U as that is what consumers are wanting nowadays. That is not the same as saying that great games and people only buy for HD graphics. They mentioned the HD graphics because people have been telling Nintendo to get them and people complain. If they didn’t keep them, the amount of consumers would decrease greatly. You need to appeal to your fan base in order to have them to continue to buy your product. That itself is business 101. Also, the games may not be fun to you, but millions other find them fun. Same as I don’t find CoD, Halo, GTA, Killer Instinct, etc. really all that fun but many others do. Your interests are not the populations interests. You really gotta stop thinking that everyone has the same interests as you. Truthteller On this very site (look at the older articles), people and Nintendo bragged about having a “GPGPU” or a far superior graphics than the 360 or PS3. So far, they have not proven to even match the graphics exactly, let alone surpass them. The games you named as no fun just happen to be the same games that are not on the Wii U… You people still hate on CoD even though that is on the Wii U, but you hate because you kind of have to since it is a top franchise and not a Nintendo game. hating wins you no fans. Jon Again, marketing, People asked for a better system with HD, Nintendo delievered, what do you think would have happened if they were like “here is our new system, it is weaker and has worse graphics than the PS3 and X360”? They told us they have superior graphics yes, but they never once said that the games are going to be better due to better graphics. As for your incredabily stupid remark about me “hating”, I never once gave any indication that I hate on CoD, I just said I do not find it that fun as it is not a game that interests me. Stop trying to put words in my mouth as it make you look like an ass. If you really want, I’ll list a bunch of games I don’t like or care for. Lets see, Ninja Gaiden, Fifa (infact, most sports games), CoD, Halo, BF, Killer Instinct, Fast and Furious, Just Dance, Mass Effect, Most Zombie games such as Left for Dead, Zombie U, Dead Island, etc. Nintendo Land was ok, only will play if there are friends over, And oh look, there is PC games, Wii U games, PS games and Xbox games in that list. There are many more. If you want games that I like then here you go, Half Life series, Zelda series, Mario, Metroid series, Minecraft, most Final Fantasy games, Kingdom Hearts, The Tales Series, Command and Conquer Series, Warcraft (Not the MMO) and Starcraft series, Prince of Persia and many more. all of with are on multiple platforms and some not on any Nintendo system So saying I pretty much hate because it is a top francise not on Nintendo is complete utter moronic and tells me that you really have no idea about Nintendo fans Anthony K Aurelia Mass Effect has a great story line…can’t believe you didn’t like it. Jon yeah, lots of people tell me that, maybe I just never gave it enough time ( probably about 2 hours or so on Mass Effect 1) jay “Nintendo does not make fun games” Nintendo is widely known for fun games. They also hold all the top 10 spots for highest selling games. “if they had the top graphics, they would use it as a selling point, which they DID try to do with the Wii U, before the PS4 and X1 showed themselves.” First, the Wii U was being slammed for having graphics worse than the 360, which turned out to be a lie, so I don’t know who you’re talking about, I never read a single person say the Wii U’s graphics were gonna make the console sell. 2nd the ps4/XBOne have tons of technical problems and are not much better than the Wii U. Stop reading gaming media and do your own research. Truthteller Of course. I would respect Nintendo more if they did not hate on the comp, but just stated their case on themselves. It’s the same with politicians. Just talk about what YOU will do, not about how bad the other is. When guys go after girls and one feels the need to hate on the other, he does not get the girl, but when he tells the girl what he is about, he can get her. Luis Gonzalez The Wii out sold the PS3 and the 360 because it was cheaper not because interaction. The sooner Nintendo realize that the better the strategy they can device. The recent $50 price cut is good, but will it be enough? Only time will tell. jay The Wii sold mostly on interaction. If it were not for Wii Sports you bet your ass the sales would have been slashed almost to half. Daniel Gonzalez It outsold in terms of hardware, but not where it counts most, software. Donato Camino PS3 Best selling games: Gran Turismo 5:10 million Gran Turismo 5 Prologue: 5.3 million God of War 3: 5.1 million Xbox 360 best selling games: Kinect Adventures: 24 millon COD: Black Ops: 12 millon Minecraft: 11 million Wii best selling games not counting wii sports bundle Mario Kart wii: 34.2 million wii sports resort: 31.8 million Wii play: 28 million It outsold both in hardware and software, and in the list, the top 10 outsold both PS3 games and Xbox 360 games (except Kinect adventures) Truthteller If Reggie is correct, then that means that people don’t like the Wii U experience! No one is buying it, so what else is there to sell it? The Wii was cheaper, had hype, had a gimmick controller and the profits were crazy due it being leftover GameCube parts. This time, the Wii U had no gimmick controller that people wanted, it was not cheap, has no games, has no graphics and it does not give anyone an experience. When you have no games, you can’t experience much. jay 1. You have bad reading comprehension skills. 2. Go read a dictionary. I’m tired of people calling gaming interfaces a “gimmick”. Michael Rowlands ok this is what I don’t get….the wiiu is unberpowered and now they are saying that there is not going to be a big jump in graphics this generation so how can the wii u be unberpowered….. Steven_Segal Truthteller is coming!!!! aldo2410 That’s why Minecraft sells millions of copies, I just enjoy playing Minecraft is very fun and if there’s something that you fell mising on the game just download one of the thousands of mods. Jared Garcia There’s a strong difference between graphics and visuals. There are a lot of games out that are graphically pushing the consoles, but don’t look that visually pleasing. I played Xenoblade Chronicles on the Wii and it blew me away. The same with Darksiders 2 and Borderlands 2. Games need visual direction that appeals more than realism. Realism is too easy and that’s why it can be spit out every year. Real creativity takes time and that’s why good games that don’t take place in the real world take a few years. Personally, I can’t wait for Monolith’s X project. Justin Jefferson If i want graphics i get the game on my PC. Thats why i support Nintendo! Truthteller I’m stupid Jon We know Ventusblade Your not stupid, you just have a undeveloped brain. jay He’s just a frustrated kid. Ventusblade Yeah, it’s what happens when you realize Nintendo is going to win the next generation once again. oontz Who cares? Do you get some sort of prize by owning a product that sells better than another companies product?Are you a share holder? Why would you care what product sells better than another? Ventusblade I don’t care, I just felt like posting it because I can. John Andalora Wow. Stooping down to his level by trolling the troller? Very shameful. cs_shane You gotta be kidding. ““I don’t think consumers buy hardware just because it’s sexy and new” Then why do people flock to the latest iPhone release? jay I agree but the keyword here is “just”. He explains how the experience is more important than “sexy and new”. Daniel Gonzalez Of course experience is more important, but those graphics come with those experiences. So they do have just as much importance. Antar Rodríguez i think he intended to say that people dont buy things cause of how many GB of memory has, or how many GB are exclusively for video or graphics they buy things for the experience and feelings that makes them enjoy what they buy david jarman New or old ip I could careless. As long as the game is fun that’s the bottom line. I hear all these people complaining about new ips. Most new ips I’ve played on multiple systems in the end have given me no new experience. Just different setting but same story or different story with similar setting. If you haven’t then you haven’t played as many games as you think you have or long enough. Some have been fun and some haven’t. I cherish most nintendo big hitter games cause they have always been fun and the quality shows in them. This holiday is going to rock! They may not be new ips, but they are going to be fun. Zorpix I love how reggie has regained his “kicking ass” mentality. I was getting worried they’d lost it Mitch Hall True. No matter how pretty a game is, it’s no good if the gameplay isn’t there. …By the way, it seems like I saw an identical interview with Reggie about a year ago… maybe I’m just imagining things. Merrfn Sorry but I am just going to be blunt. What the fuck is this “next gen” experience the Sony and Microsoft fanboys are going on about? I am so confused. The only new thing I have so far seen Microsoft and Sony incorporate, is a minor graphics upgrade. Well at least Microsoft actually added something else with the Xbox One the kinnect 2.0 Too bad Microsoft steals all of your money with the Xbox Live Gold paywall… Smartass2 True. When people see theirs not a big difference in graphics, they’ll stay with their current system and buy more games or a Wii U or 2/3DS to have more gaming options. John Andalora As has been said by Reggie, it’s not about the graphics, but the experience. That’s why I want a PS4. It should give me the experiences I want. Graphics don’t interest me. It’s what’s coming gameplay wise that does. But currently, the Wii U isn’t working out for me. I recently tried the Wonderful 101 demo and honestly didn’t enjoy it. Most of the games on it I beat quickly and never played again. It’s a shame really because I think the console itself is fine. Just not something yet that really grips me. But overall it’s about experiences. And some Sony people may care only about graphics, but those are only the eccentric extroverts who constantly talk on forums. Smartass2 You’re on the wrong site if you want to pitch the PS4. Petri Well.. next gen twin sisters are only catching up with gaming PC’s.. by becoming PC’s? And nobody wants kinect. Though Sony has that eyetoy thing too, but they’re not investing on it as much as MS is. But what I do like with consoles, is that not just every kid with scripting tools calling themselves “hackers” can ruin your game. John Andalora You do know that that’s been the history of video games since the start, right? Bring the big games of PC or arcade quality home to the players for a cheap price by just being used for video games. It’s not something completely new or different, and it’s how video game consoles evolved. Heck, the very first consoles were called Home Computer systems, and in Japan the Nintendo Famicom was short for Family Computer. That’s what all consoles have been always. John Andalora 1) Well, games for one. They’re actually going to release a bunch of games. Wii U hasn’t been keeping as much of a track with that one. I’d say that’s probably the start of the next gen experience. 2) Xbox Live Gold is actually really good. You get dedicated servers, making connection times online faster and more reliable, and now people are getting free games too. Though I personally like PS+ better, there’s a big difference between Xbox online and Wii U online. 3) While I’m not a gamer for graphics, the ability to tell bigger and grander stories with more and more power and functionality is something I really enjoy, and in those cases better graphics can mean a lot more, even if it doesn’t initially look like it. For example, LA Noire is a game no one could’ve played if Xbox 360 and PS3 weren’t at the graphical capabilities they were at because the small features on a persons face wouldn’t have been possible to read. Frankly though, if you listen to anything I say, listen to this. The PS4 is merely something that I want. It looks like its got fun games, I’m a sucker for indies, and the games coming for it interest my personal tastes. If they don’t interest you, then don’t worry about it. Personal taste matters, and whatever you like, just keep playing it. Daniel Gonzalez Not to take anything away from Nintendo, but even with the fact that the Wii outsold the ps3 and 360 in hardware, it failed in comparison to software. That’s the big problem with the Wii, it only catered more or less to Nintendo themselves more than it catered to 3rd parties. While pretty graphics aren’t a major selling point to everyone, in this era, they do matter unfortunately. Reggie talks a good talk, but he kinda contradicts himself a tad when he doesn’t acknowledge that software sales were low compared to ps3 and 360. Just because you sell more hardware, doesn’t mean you sold more software. Software matters more. As for the Wii U, even with near 4 million sold, how much software has it sold? That’s the bigger question. Same goes for Nintendo. Their games may or may not sell a lot this coming holiday. Time will tell. I like Nintendo’s optimism, but it can also be mistaken for being naive. To each their own. Anthony K Aurelia I do believe the WiiU has a really good attach rate currently. Donato Camino PS3 Best selling games: Gran Turismo 5:10 million Gran Turismo 5 Prologue: 5.3 million God of War 3: 5.1 million Xbox 360 best selling games: Kinect Adventures: 24 millon COD: Black Ops: 12 millon Minecraft: 11 million Wii best selling games not counting wii sports bundle Mario Kart wii: 34.2 million wii sports resort: 31.8 million Wii play: 28 million Again, it outsold both in software and hardware dave am i the only one not impressed by x bone or ps4. i dont even think the graphics look better then wii u. im completly sick of shooters in fact the only shooter im interested in is meteroid. reggie is completly right its the games. i know theres buzz about the new systems and im sure the hard core will rush out and buy one but the every man will look at them and think ” that doesnt look any better then ps3″. im aware that if u freeze frame knack and count how many balls shoot out of him only half would be possible on 360 but normal people dont care about that stuff, or about dirt under some soldjiers finger nails. i think nin. will start selling when the competition arriaves, ppl. will be hungry for a new console and will be uderwhelmed by ps4 offerings and see all the great titles and lower price point on wiiu and jump ship John Andalora Frankly, I am interested in PS4, but not for the graphics. I’m interested in it for the 3rd party games that won’t be coming to the Wii U for whatever reason. One is stealth, and another is survival horror (Thief and The Evil Within). I know that that’s just something I want and not “better than Wii U,” but i definitely think it’s better for me and what I would like to play more and more of. It’s the experience i want. And according to Reggie, that’s what people want. El Tio Gamboyo I have a Wii U and just preordered the ps4 because there was a discount in the store, but i think most of the money im going to spend this holiday season will belong to Nintendo because of the catalog, the ps4 really don´t have enough games on launch that interest me besides killzone, hope it gets better next year. poo This is actually really true. As both a die-hard sony and nintendo fan I can say that while Sony’s platforms always have more games, there are always more unique experiences on nintendo consoles. Think about it, is Ocarina of time a ‘game’ or rather an experience? Daniel Gonzalez Both. Xavier Lopez Chabelo Exactly, well said Reggie, but if there are few interestinng games(Games of this and next year seem incredible)…. where is the experience then? Teplán Csaba In my opinion, Wii U will lose this holiday season, but in 2014 will be much better! RoyRelapse Luckily facts will matter at the end, and not opinions. Teplán Csaba In facts, Wii U won’t be good in this holiday season. RoyRelapse And luckily you can’t predict facts until it is proven, please sir, move on. Teplán Csaba hahaha, Wii U is going down, if you done see that than you are blind! RoyRelapse Same was said about the rough start of the 3DS, mister “icanpredictthefuture” Krzysztof Guys. Please stop argue about which console can do what. This is so silly and childish. I’m a PC person, because I kind of have to (job related), but I play games on consoles because it’s very convenient. I don’t have to worry about “do I have this and that peace of hardware”. Other words, for the lack of the PC gaming issues. And truly, I don’t care what peace of hardware I have or how many units they sold … who gives a £&@?”! All I care is price and good games. If a company can provide me good entertaiment for reasonable price, I’ll buy it. I used to own all different sorts of consoles. Hey, as a kid I used to be the biggest Atari an Sega fan. Both of these companies are practically non existing. Do I care now ? No. And as consumers you shouldn’t too. Do I care if my toothbrush I made by company X not Y ? No, as long I like the product I’ll buy it regardless the producer. So why gaming industry should be any different. So would I buy XB1 or PS4 ? If one these consoles has some selling point in which I’d be interested, of course. Although they seem to be a bit pricey, so defenelty not in the nearest future. But I’m not gonna prefer one system, because in the past past I liked the previous one. This is just stupid. When I’ve heard first time about Wii U I though, I’ll buy it if Nintendo release new Zelda or Mario Kart. But for me, the biggest selling point was COD (guilty pleasure) + off TV game play (and eventually, Zelda and MK). At the time it was the best choice as for me … the consumer Pikachief Did he not see the ridiculously high PS4 sales? The only thing it has going for it is that it’s the next NEW Playstation, it has better graphics than PS3, and its cheaper than XB1. Oh and that everyone thinks Destiny, FF15, and KH3 are all PS4 exclusive lol TheFreeman87 *SPOILER ALERT* Reggie IS Obama… springer85 LMFAO!!!!!!!So Reggie you are trying to tell us all that systems with a lot of power and have better graphics do not sell well?LMFAO!!! Oh really Reggie?Is that why PS4 pre orders are ALREADY at 1.5 Million and Xbone One Pre Orders are at 1.3 Million? The Combined pre orders are only 1 Million away from Wii U life time sales of a year!!! Seriously Reggie plz stop talking utter rubbish, after the Holidays and Xmas when Ps4 and Xbone One both over take Wii U life time sales you will then change your mind!! Krzysztof Man, what’s wrong with you? I got my ps3 for the stuff which aren’t on Nintendo’s system and Wii U for the games which are only on Wii U. 3rd party has never been a big selling point of Nintendo’s systems anyway, but it doesn’t mean that they’re really bad, in fact it’s complete opposite. Are you frustrated because you’ve spent all of your pocket money on PS4 preorder ? Trust me, it’s not such a big deal to own more then one console. You should try sometimes … after getting a summer job or something. Now STFU and GTFO of this forum. Thanks in advance. Jon Where are your sources because I am not seeing anywhere of either of them being over 1 million pre sales and I have gone through multiple sites. The Xbox one has only 350k pre orders in the US and the US is the main market area for it. Xbox is a flop in most European countries aside from the UK. Japan it is even lower. The PS4 is maybe close to those numbers but it is at 600k in the US which again, it usually where the highest numbers are but they still sell well in Europe so yeah I guess it could be up to 1 million however I doubt there are 900k PS4 pre-orders outside of the NA. Source:http://www.vgchartz.com/article/251266/ps4-vs-xbox-one-pre-order-totals-to-august-24th-2013/ Sonic guys,there’s a new game coming from keiji inafune,it’s a spiritual successor to Mega Man. it’s called mighty no9. and best of all,they might release it for wii u! kickstarter: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mightyno9/mighty-no-9 00EpicGamer00 I really like the art style. :3 At first when I looked at it, I thought it was 3D rendered (like what most games are) but I see that it’s 2D, that’s just awesome! You barely see any games that are in a 2D, hand drawn looking style. springer85 The Wii U is the worst idea for a console EVER!! They got it so right with the Wii but back in 2010 is when Nintendo should have released the Wii U AFTER Wii sales tarted to lag. Then as every Nintendo home console has a life span of 5 years in 2015 release a much more powerful,less Gimmick console to truly take on the next gen!! The Wii get every one up out of their seats to play games…..the Wii U puts them same people back in their seats….EPIC fail mistake!! I think its time Iwata left, as the last 1 0 months have been the worst in Nintendo history with epic mistake after epic mistake!! Sonic U mad bro? springer85 No just telling the truth about Nintendo’s worst ever home console!!! Sonic You are mad,bro. 00EpicGamer00 Once again, please do research before you make incorrect assumptions. I thought you said you started to play games in the NES days? I’d think you would know about the virtual boy, heck I didn’t start gaming until the N64 days, and even I know about the virtual boy. This just proves which one of us is smarter. NkoSekirei u pull ur false facts out of ur @$$ thats wat trolls do 00EpicGamer00 I think the Xbox One is the worst idea for a console, that’s something even you have to agree with. “The last 1 0 (why’d you put a space in 10?) months have been the worst in Nintendo history.” Ever heard of the virtual boy? Now THAT was the worst in Nintendo history. The Virtual boy didn’t even make it to a million sales, the Wii U is over a million. I think you need to do a little more research before you make assumptions. NkoSekirei ur the worst retard ever heath64 Agreed, the guy is a joke. C4 The main problem is Wii’s success. Successful console makes companies lazy or having weird ideas. Agreed on a launch around 2010 or 2011, it would have been interesting to see, but obviously their hardware department wasn’t ready. It’s still Wii Remote compatibly. They just need a new Wii Sports (make it like 75% Remote, and some games that support the GamePad like, say, chess or pool – and some multiplay Remote versus GamePad) – obviously Nintendo Land isn’t interesting enough, although I like the concept of an amusement park with Nintendo IPs! Could have been executed better. springer85 After the epic fail of the Wonderful 101 that sold a PATHETIC 5k first week in Japan no 3rd party will ever make great games till the Wii U fan base is at least 15 million……3 more years then!! LOL Sonic why you mad? springer85 Again I am not mad just telling you blind Nintendo fans that fail to understand that the Wii U is already dead!! Sonic You be mad,bro. NkoSekirei ur a blind stupid troll with no life springer85 Wii U is dead!!!!! LOL Sonic .. DarkLegacy trololo NkoSekirei ur trolling is gonna be dead after we go troll hunting SuperShrug lol, Graphics are part of the “experience” Just because your super-casual box sells to the more numerous casual gamers doesn’t mean that graphics aren’t important to video games. It only means that graphics aren’t important to casual games, and that’s practically axiomatic. Sonic graphics mean nothing to you if you’re a true gamer :/ SuperShrug Whatever bud, I’ve been playing since before genesis (atari), I’ve watched the graphics improve. It’s part of the joy. springer85 Exactly these Nintendo Slurpers are just in denial trying to say that graphics do not matter and always use look at the Wii excuse!! Yeah the Wii was less powerful but its success was a total fluke, as its follow up the Gimmick U has only sold 3.8 Million in 10 months!!! LOL SuperShrug It worked the first time, I love my wii. However, because the graphics lag behind in the new system, and the games that draw people in are mostly rehashing of the first-party titles, I don’t see a reason to get a duplicate casual system. The Wii is still enough for that. Sonic are you constipated John Andalora So, I really can’t argue much with the motion control thing, but does Nintendo own all the rights to having characters from a game race in cars or fight just because they did it? We’ve seen Rare and Sega make their own racing games with Diddy Kong and Sonic, but no one seems to be complaining about that. As for the fighters, why stop there? Why not go back to the first fighting game ever and say that Nintendo ripped it off from them? As for the Vita and PS3, the whole remote play thing has been out since 2006 with the PSP playing PS1 games through the PS3, and the Vita remote play was in the works before E3. So technically, Sony had gameplay with their home and handheld consoles long before Wii U. As for Sony’s Innovation, consider this: Before Sony there was no device that had 2 Shoulder buttons or 2 Control sticks. Since then it has been a staple for video game systems, and even to this day of “innovation” the Wii U has 2 shoulders and 2 Control sticks. Who’s taking from who now? Brian Lockett “As for Sony’s Innovation, consider this: Before Sony there was no device that had 2 Shoulder buttons or 2 Control sticks.” Are you daft? The Super Nintendo standardized the use of shoulder buttons. Look it up. And two control sticks on PS1’s second controller model weren’t a major leap away from the joystick on the Nintendo 64’s controller, which was added to allow for 3D control and it went on to standardized control sticks on modern controllers–PS1’s later model of the Dual Shock Controller included. Also, the Vita and PS3 have been out since 2011, not 2006. The PSP came out in 2004. The GameCube–Game Boy Advance link cable have been out since 2001… Oh, and it’s not just “fighters” they’re comparing–they compared Super Smash Bros. to a game that’s 95% Super Smash Bros. But only one made inferior. Keep up–you’re lagging behind here. I don’t have time to dissect your entire post with more detail to just drown your arguments (as I well can), but I think I’ve done enough here. And frankly, just examining your rate of logic, I frankly didn’t have to even do this much–you’re making a better case against your own argument well enough. [ Just in case you may try to re-editing your post, I took a screenshot: http://oi42.tinypic.com/fpb529.jpg ] John Andalora I said 2 shoulder buttons. Read it right, buddy, or don’t read at all. And maybe it was the later model for 2 control sticks, but who was the first to do it? Sony. Who’s doing it now? Nintendo and Microsoft. And you really aren’t listening, cause i did say PSP to PS3 in 2006. You paying attention? Didn’t think so. You didn’t need to take a screenshot: you needed to read. As for the fighters, I don’t honestly think that a 2D fighter with a bunch of characters warrants it being a Nintendo rip off as long as it maintains something different, and frankly I think PASBR is different. Say what you will, but I do think that not taking damage, having multi-tiered Special Moves, and not dying from the edge of the screen makes a difference. If you don’t think it’s enough, then whatever, but I’m having a lot of fun with it, and to me it’s different enough to where I can e entertained. If you can’t. Okay. Sonic Have you played all stars? All stars is a huge copy of smash bros. It works the same… Dual control sticks? Really? Sony did not invent those,those were in arcade games. as for 2 triggers/shoulders,ever heard of the n64? now,diddy kong racing was a nintendo published game,so that didn’t matter,and Sonic was friends with mario by the time the racing games came out,but i sort of see your point there. John Andalora Have you? And yes, I have, and I really like it. I used to mock it out and insult it before playing it, but I wanted something simple and quick to play so i decided “Why not?” And tried it. I was shocked that I liked it, but I do. And even now I still play it. I like it because it’s a different challenge. It’s not just hitting people until they fall off: you gotta either use small shots timed right in all sorts of ways, or try to save up the energy for a big finish that can take out anyone. Of course, if someone does it before you it’s just about over, but you gotta think differently about how to play, and for me that works. 2 control sticks in arcades? I don’t recall playing any game that did that unless it was multiplayer games. And maybe it’s because I didn’t word it simply enough, but when I said 2 shoulder buttons I meant 2 ON EACH SIDE! Not just 2 buttons. Sonic well yeah,i guess it was fun to watching the graphics evolve,i mean my “friends” as kids have come a long way. this: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130729001909/sonic/images/1/1c/Sonic_1_screen.jpg to this: http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130224161308/sonic/images/2/20/Sonic_Generations_-_Green_Hill_-_Game_Shot_-_%2813%29.jpg and this: http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/blogs-prod-photos/e/3/6/e/2/e36e29d6848c1eece553e81a1938a562.jpg?stmp=1377115531 to this:http://nintendo3dsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/nsmb21000000coin.png Sonic BWAHAHHAHA! when did you even start gaming? springer85 NES days you LOSER!!!!!! You started with the Wii!!! LMFAO!!!! Sonic Oh really? I totally believe you…. springer85 Go play with your first EVER console the Wii!! LOL Sonic Okay,not my problem,i’ll just go boot up some Mario bros. 2…. Jon If you started gaming in the NES days then you must have some mental disorder after reading the last comment that I replied to. You compared the sales of Nintendo to TWO other companies when if you averaged them, they come out to less than what Nintendo has sold. How can someone from the NES days still lack the knowledge of simple math and common sense. Did you drop out of school early or something? Because this is something that anyone at least past grade 5 would be able to see. NkoSekirei ur the biggest loser here u dam troll SuperShrug Sales numbers are a slippery slope of argument. Even when we can make models that are beyond ‘uncanny valley’ we will still have use for less graphics intensive games. There’s something right and wrong about the statement that graphics don’t matter. disqus_jnx8BgXLZd Having all consoles, I can say that the Xbox is the shittiest one. PS3 and Wii/Wii U are great, but PS3 tends to suck more of my time due to having more games. 00EpicGamer00 How is Pikmin 3 a flop? Nintendo hasn’t released any sales numbers (for North America of course.) As for The Wonderful 101, it’s a brand new game from no previous franchise, what did you expect? That it would sell a million copies in one day? As long as there’s people that are buying it, word will spread about the game. Someone will tell their friends about it, then their friends will tell their friends, and so on. Just give the game some time, it’ll make itself known to the public eventually. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Jon Pikmin was a flop? It has sold well over 100k sales and it has been out less than a month? and since when did they say Wonderful 101 was a revival for the system. There were a lot of people that questioned how Wonderful 101 was going to do because people didn’t simply know what it was until closer to release and the fact that it was a new IP which is usually hard to market at start. Jon I like how you put MS and Sony together and yet to your figures, Nintendo sold 250 million but if you average the other two, Nintendo is higher than either Sony or MS as halving them would be less than 250 million. You are also missing the DS and the 3DS which those two alone are 180million+, almost reaching 190 million. springer85 poor Nintendo the big huge 3rd party launch game exclusive Rayman Legends that was delayed and brought to multi platform has been getting SPECTACULAR reviews with many saying it is one the greatest 2d platformers ever made!!! If Nintendo had ACTUALLY done their marketing right for the Wii U like they did for the Wii, then alot more people would have bought the system and Rayman would have been an exclusive and been the system seller that is so needed!! Was not Ubisofts fault that they delayed the game it was Nintendo pathetic joke marketing of the system and still has been for its 10 month life cycle!!! 00EpicGamer00 Would you quite spamming. It’s becoming quite annoying. NkoSekirei ignore springer85 hes a retarded troll that was drop on his head wen he was a baby 00EpicGamer00 I know. Just sometimes his stupidity gets the better of me. 00EpicGamer00 Okay? Why do you need to make the same point 100 times on every article? You’re not telling the truth. There’s no telling if Rayman being a Wii U exclusive would of helped in sales. Now, it most likely would of helped a little, but it probably wouldn’t of been a massive success, as say Mario or Zelda. And besides, Rayman Legends is a Wii U exclusive in Japan. Also, I thought you said you started gaming in the NES days? I really seriously doubt that, judging by you immaturity (and your spelling and grammar) you are like, at the least 8 years old. The most would be 12 years old. NkoSekirei it seems ur i.q. continues to drop with ur trolling do us all a favor and stfu retard springer85 PS4 and Xbox One combine pre orders ALREADY at 2.7 MILLION!!!! After launch they both would have already past Gimmick U’s life time sales over one year!!! LOL springer85 DS and Wii Nintendo at the top……….Gimmick U and 2DS…….Nintendo at the bottom!!! crocodileman94 Why isn’t this guy banned yet? Not only does he troll, he spam’s too. Brian Lockett Giving an opinion you don’t agree with and being mildly argumentative aren’t really grounds for being banned. It’s just the nature of the beast in public speaking. Whether you like it or not, he’s technically got as much “right” to be here as you do. oontz Looking at the down-vote it would seem that obviously you’re ALSO not entitled to have an opinion on wiiudaily.com goldmrmber NOT ROCKET SCIENCE Only improving graphics IS NOT NRXT GEN There is no graphics war there all the same only wiiu evolves gaming dualshock 4 does not Daniel Gonzalez 3rd parties don’t see it that way. Even if that were true, they stil fail to bring 3rd parties in, which was the reason for the Wii U. Until they can do that, their innovation will be for nothing. oontz Looks like there is no correct use of English grammar either. goldmrmber He said GRAPHICS ALONE ARE NOT ENOUGH JUST AS IWATA STATED IN 2006 THEN WII KILLED THE COMPETITION A dualshock is not next gen wiiu is next gen xbone and ps4 fail to meet wiiu standards therrfor not next gen RyuNoHadouken and this is why Nintendo is failing…smh springer85 Exactly Reggie and Iwata have destroyed Nintendo the last 10 months with their epic fail lame ideas!!! It was the beginning of the end for Nintendo after Iwata PATHETICALLY told Miyamoto to take a back seat in the development of the Wii U after the Wii was his idea and vision!!! Gotta be the worst idea in video game history telling a genius to take a back seat!! Thomas Fitzgibbon I’ll agree that Iwata and Reggie might have affected Nintendo negatively but who said the company as a whole was failing? The Wii U is in a bit of a puddle at the moment (but it’s not surprising given how slow they have been releasing their AAA titles and a bizarre lack of promotion) but the 3DS and it’s first party offerings have been top notch and very successful the last couple of years and don’t forget, the 3DS really struggled in it’s first year. springer85 LMFAO!!the Wii U has failed due to Miyamoto taking a backseat in the development of the Wii U due to Iwata asking him 2!!! If Miyamoto has been involved like he was the Wii then the Wii U NEVER would gone the fisher price tablet route!!! david jarman Are you kidding me? First of all miyamoto agreed with the direction and understood why iwata was more reserved. Miyamoto also loves the gamepad which is nothing like a fisher price tablet, but a controller with tablet functions. Games like pikmin 3 are fun combining gamepad and wii remotes together! And yes people! You can do off tv play with gamepad and wii remote. That was actually kind of cool. Thomas Fitzgibbon You mean the failing console that has sold considerably more units than the PS3 and 360 did within the same duration of being on the market? Given Microsoft and Sony heavily promoted their consoles at launch and Nintendo have barely released 3 adverts in a year and virtually next-to-none first party titles, the Wii U is doing strangely better than it should be. ROFLMAO!!! PMSL!!! LOL!!! And all those other stupid things you say! Mathew Vogt I feel bad for Nintendo which means they have even more of a profit loss and the ps4 and xbox one coming out. The garbage 2ds I am sad to say I thing the great Nintendo has made their last at home console….. RIP Brian Lockett I hope more overly-optimistic Nintendo fans will start to see that the situation in which some fans’ like you and I are being realists about here with Nintendo is hard to ignore. It’s not all sunshine and butterflies, is it, folks? If we’re critical on Nintendo, it’s merely because we love them Nintendo enough to be honest about their situation and their current inadequacies. The purest love is the one that doesn’t lie to the beloved. Tekina Sibawo I just have to say from reading this thread I am really impressed with Daniel Gonzales. Coming back to comment on everyone with a rebuttal. True internet devotion. Brian Lockett Mere graphics and horsepower aren’t everything, but they are something. And apparently, it’s enough to garner strong third-party developers. There’s nothing wrong with putting a little focus on pixel-pushing power. If Nintendo had a console similar to the capability of a PS4 but still with the experience-centric philosophy of Nintendo, they’d be sitting on top of the market as we speak. It’s okay, Nintendo. Everyday people are spending $400+ on new technology like tablets and PS4s now. And people expect quality to come at that price. You can let a bit loose on your normal reserved attitude on console offerings. Don’t just aim for the budget-friendly parents–trust me, many of them have bought their kids $500 iPads and whatnot. Aim for the people who save up and who buy investments around the holidays. And change some of your older lingering bad habits, like region-locking. If Nintendo had put out a $400 Wii U console with power similar to the PS4, you’d better believe that it’d get the attention of everyone out there. It’d have both “future-proof” horsepower AND the quality of Nintendo’s game design philosophy. It’d give developers better leeway to work with in today’s changing face of game development, and thus, more confidence in working with Nintendo. But more than that, nothing will help if there aren’t any games. I’m afraid Nintendo’s spacing out their bigger hits too far away from this critical holiday season. Just putting that out there. I’ve wanted a Wii U for two years and still have little reason to buy one yet. And I’m not alone–most of my friends are the same way. I’m hoping some indie game developers will help step up to fill the void, but honestly, indies are far more attracted to Sony’s platform for indies with PS4. Sony’s given indies darn-near everything short of a full massage spa treatment. And Nintendo’s presentation to indies at Unity 3D’s Unite presentation was painful to watch. It was the slowest, most uninspiring thing I’ve ever seen, and it did little to motivate indies to go with Nintendo. Nintendo’s doing poorly with promoting to developers. An indie would have to remember that the market’s theirs for the taking. Otherwise, Sony is standing as the best choice for indies by almost all respects. Nintendo needs to step it up in all respects and stop resting on their past laurels with Wii. This mere chanted philosophy of “experience” alone isn’t enough to instill confidence in many customers beyond the typical Nintendo fan who’ll buy systems regardless, and it’s certainly not enough to convince third-party and indie developers. And I never want to hear them use the “success” of the Wii again. The Wii was successful for all the wrong reasons. Jared Garcia I’m just gonna say that some experiences are better than others. If Nintendo would’ve supped up the graphics like Sony or Microsoft, the price would’ve been closer to 500 like the Xbox One. With few games, it would’ve fizzled out because the cost and a shortage of games. Really, the markets to blame as there are always few games after post launch until the second half of the year and the next year. Also, tell me how much fun you’re having with that Kinect with that Xbox. Oh wait, no one wants it. http://www.dorkly.com/comic/53561/playstation-plus-vs-xbox-live oontz ” tell me how much fun you’re having with that Kinect with that Xbox” You can’t really make that type of statement as the original Kinect was an add-on device. So developers have no really need to incorporate it into their games. Now that it’s included with every system, and guaranteed to be connected to EVERY xbox1 then you’ll probably start to see some cool things being done with it. Think of it like the Wii Balance board. How many games do you see use it as a valid form of game input… basically none (other than nintendo titles) because a developer isn’t going to wast money making a game for it since only a handful of people have one… just like the original kinect. Jared Garcia I see your point that that version one is a late life add- on, but even John Carmack stated that version 2 on Xbox One isn’t viable for hard core games like FPS because of latency. I can see it for slower paced games that give enough time for face and body pose recognition. I’m just hoping its not just being used for voice commands like it is now. Elem187 Thats the thing, most gamers are too stupid to realize that if Nintendo beefed up the hardware the price would be beefed up as well, because Nintendo doesn’t have other businesses to draw from to take a hit on hardware…. If they built a PS4 or xBone clone, it would be 500+ possibly 600 because their inability to take a hit on hardware like Sony/MS can. If people though $350 was too expensive, what would they think of $600? But again, gamers for most part don’t understand the slightest bit about business nor economics, but they certainly pretend they do. Steve Too bad Wii U is lacking just that—strong lineups. sd If you had said this back in June I would agree. But now I will disagree. Pikmin 3, amazing game with huge appeal. Wonderful 101 is a new great game to play that is receiving pretty good reviews. In a few weeks you have scribblenauts unmasked, Zelda ww, then the new sonic, Mario 3d land, donkey kong. Plus Wii fit U and Party U appeal to some. This does not include multiplatform games like COD, Assassins creed 4, Batman, Watchdogs etc. It also does not include the 2014 exclusives like X ( watch a video), SSB, mario Kart etc. The line up is pretty strong this year. There are also many other exclusives that I did not mention being released this year. So I disagree with your comment as this issue has been fixed. Saul Strange I disagree with Reggie here, there definitely are some (shallow) consumers that buy new consoles just because of flashy graphics, if the price is right. The launch line-ups for the new Xbox and Playstation aren’t anything too special, but people are buying them anyway. There most definitely is a portion of the market that goes for graphics, I don’t agree with them, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Philippe Corthout What’s wrong with having both? I will enjoy my PS4 as much as my WiiU. oontz Exactly… so in Nintendo fanboys eyes, it’s not okay to have your cake and eat it too. I enjoy great experiences and great immersive graphics… so I can’t have both? I all of a sudden need to choose? Sounds like a lame excuse to me, and nothing more then PR-prepping for the upcoming shit storm the new systems are going to bring to Nintendo. “As we’ve said in the past, we feel games should’t be about graphics.” *Nintendo Spokesperson* Philippe Corthout Games shouldn’t be about graphics… but that doesn’t mean it can’t. I went to Gamescom, played the new Mario Kart, looked stunning… but I also saw Destiny, Tearaway, The Division,… those games look really good. But they are so much more than just graphics. They look good, bring new ideas, new ways to play,… Don’t get me wrong, I love N-games but sometimes they play it too safe and call it “not about the graphics”. That’s way too easy. You can bring a powerhouse system to the market that also plays those typical N-games we all love. But it also opens doors to other developers who want to bring more graphical stuff to the market. I saw a lot of promising PS4/PSVita titles… titles that would suit a Nintendo machine. And if it’s all about the games… where are they? There are a lot great of N-games coming up, but the launch was so bad. oontz so you’re totally agreeing with me? Cause what you wrote is how I feel. Philippe Corthout Yeah I agree :-p Sorry if that wasn’t clear. peter griffin All this arguing really grinds my gears! just play what you like to play without being a dick to others. its that simple. Alex no graphics, no games, no online… 00EpicGamer00 At least Super Smash Bros. has sensible proportions. SuperScope85 I can remember playing duck hunt and super mario bros when i was about 4 years old. The games i grew up to like were on nintendo well before MS and sony came along. My wii u is awsome and play it almost every day and still cant figure out why people are such haters. Sora Morp cobanereggie456 RandroidRampage What he deserves MysticDude97 I’m digging Reggie’s ‘fro. goldmrmber Reggie makes PERFECT SENSE HERE There new but tuere NOT NEW there not NEXT GEN there just the same as x360 and ps3 just NEWER Reggie talking like a man do great to see wiiu is new gen and the games will be wider appeal Ps4 and xbox one are not next there not evolved THERE NEWer of the same thing witch seems more irelevent than ever Theres no graphics war its over thete all the same nd wiiu has cloud etc just like xbone and tv services apps etc Only wiiu offers NEXT NEW GEN XBONE AND PS4 OFFER NOTHING NEW ITS THE SAME THING AND THE PRICING IS INSANE 2DS wiiu and bundled game for the same price as ps4 and a while load cheaper than xboned Gregg Cerenzio 100% Correct classicgamer20 reggie i wish thats the consoles sold JVAN63 Reggie – I do buy Nintendo for the experience. I would not buy Nintendo if it wasn’t for Mario and Zelda, but those two are more than enough, and I do buyt other titles, but they alone would not cause me to buy. That being said, I also buy Xbox 360, and part of the experience that xBox brought years ago IS the graphics. Graphics ARE part of the experience. If Xbox and PS games all were pretty but sucked, no one would buy. Gameplay is not all there is. I would be thrilled if Nintendo would bring to the table not only unique gameplay, but did it by also setting the bar for graphics. THEN you would be the retail leader once again. If graphics are not part of the experience, then why develop 3D for 3DS? Two faced talk from you, Reg.