Nov 13th, 2013


Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter is back with more predictions, this time speaking at the London Games Conference. Pachter stated he expects the PS4 to outsell the Xbox One due to a lower price. He places the PS4 selling between 100 and 120 million units during its lifetime, with the Xbox One selling between 90 and 110 million units. As for the Wii U, Pachter says to expect around 30 million units for its lifetime sales. Pachter had this to say about Wii U sales:

“We think 30 million is where [Wii U] is set. If you are a Nintendo fan bitching about my opinion on Wii U, stop, put your money where your mouth is and buy a Wii U.”

In addition, Pachter says that consoles may be a fading trend and could be irrelevant in 10 years time, as recent architecture makes them more like gaming PCs than ever before, along with the expansion of the mobile market making gaming more than a sit at home experience.

I don’t think the console market will get any bigger. The console installed base has peaked. Consoles may not be relevant in 10 years. We have expanded the market beyond the hardcore console owner. We now have ten times the audience over the internet, six times the audience over mobile. And I think one day you’ll get to play any game, anywhere on any device.”

The PlayStation 4 launches this Friday, November 15th in America with the Xbox One launching next Friday on November 22nd.

local_offer    michael pachter  Nintendo  Playstation 4  wii u  xbox one  
  • long_dong_donkey_kong

    Fine, 30 million puts it above the GameCube and in the same ballpark as the N64. Both of those systems had some of my favorite games of all time. I don’t need it to outsell the PS4 or Xbone, I need it to sell enough so that Nintendo can keep being Nintendo.

    • LopsidedPasta

      You shouldn’t be content with the Xbox One finishing 60 million+ ahead of the Wii U. That’s horrible in every way.

      • long_dong_donkey_kong

        I have done my part. I bought a Wii U. I won’t buy an Xbone. We have multiple 3DSes in my family as well. Beyond that, there’s not much I can do.

        I will eventually buy a PS4 because, like Nintendo, they do invest in some games that take chances and dare to be different than your standard dude-bro first-person shooter sponsored by Doritos and Mountain Dew that appears on the Xbone.

        • LopsidedPasta

          I get that, but you should hope the Wii U outsells its competition this generation. I know I’m not ok with there being 4 PS4s for every Wii U.

          • long_dong_donkey_kong

            What I’d prefer and what I’m going to lose sleep over are two different things.

          • jrob23

            why in God’s name should anyone care which company sells more? You buy the console you think has the best features and the best games. What does Nintendo’s financials matter other than them being able to continue to make good games for said console. If you get a couple Marios, Zeldas, MarioKart, Kirby, Smash Brothers, Metroid and a few other great games then you purchase was a good one. If you get all those things but it sells 5 million and Sony sells 80 million will you have enjoyed the Wii U less?

          • LopsidedPasta

            No. But if the Wii U sells terribly, it will discourage Nintendo from trying things LIKE the Wii U again. When the Gamecube sold poorly, Nintendo stopped making consoles as powerful as their competitors. That’s why “in God’s name” I care.

          • jrob23

            oh, like it was discouraged from trying something new after the gamecube? oh wait..they did, it was called the wii. I mean, honestly, poor sales have never discouraged Nintendo from being innovative or from taking risks. It’s the exact opposite actually.

          • LopsidedPasta

            Did you even read my comment?

        • Michael Legault

          If only sponsored by Doritos and mountain dew were a joke…. Console war has changed :/

    • FoxMulder900

      I agree, I’m pretty sure that Nintendo was profitable throughout the GameCube period so that is really all that matters. They are smart with their money and are able to make excellent games for a much lower cost than most of the industry seems to be able to. As long as Nintendo still exists doing their own thing, I am happy. I don’t really care if they outsell other consoles or not!

      • jjbredesen

        Nintendo actually had a larger profit than sony in the PS2, Gamecube gen.

      • The Clockwork Being

        They always made a profit for every console and handheld they made.

      • long_dong_donkey_kong

        I remember reading that the last Tomb Raider needed to sell 6 million copies to be profitable – it didn’t. By Nintendo staying behind in the hardware department, it will be easier for their own games to be that much more profitable – especially as the technology for developing for their system gets cheaper.

        Meanwhile a game will have to sell at COD, Madden, or GTA levels to be profitable on the other systems. This is where Pachter’s console doomsday predictions seem the most accurate. We are going to risk seeing more cookie-cutter FPS games, more minimal roster updates, and more GTA-clones until people tire of these genres the way they did with Guitar Hero and Tony Hawk games. I’m not saying third-parties will flock to the Wii U for cheaper development. I think it goes the opposite where they pull support for the Wii U in a misguided effort to keep up with the arms races on the other systems and more companies go belly-up like THQ.

        • FoxMulder900

          Yep, the general view that a game has to have high end realistic visuals to be good is what is going to cause a crash in the industry. Unless people are going to be willing to spend $100 per game, developers are going to have to take a step back and focus on gameplay mechanics to draw interest instead of the costly visuals.

  • Keyser

    If consoles are dying and install base is decreasing, why would PS4/Xbone outsell PS3/X360? Honestly, he’s just talking out his ass.

    • SamusPrime

      That is a great point.

    • crocodileman94

      More like; If consoles are dying and install base is decreasing, why would PS4/Xbone outsell Wii?

      • Keyser

        Fair, I suppose. But I just meant it would make no sense for each new console to outsell its respective predecessor if the install base has “peaked”.

        • victor

          He says wii u wont outsell wii.

    • LopsidedPasta

      His predictions were too high for the Xbox One and PS4, but it doesn’t change the future. I mean, the PS4 and XBO really are PCs with a brand name. The architecture between them is virtually identical.

      • Keyser

        I agree with you about the predictions. I don’t think any of the three will be very high, or at least not THAT high

      • Wayne Beck

        PCs are already dying out a lot faster than Consoles. Tablets are going to easily takeover all Standard PC functions. They have already taken everything but Word Processors. Why is someone going to pay a ridiculous amount of money for a Gaming PC when it’s not good for anything but gaming? They won’t. They will buy a Console.

        • Alex

          And that why Microsoft made a Tablet and a Laptop that is half Tablet and half Laptop, which I’m pretty much getting one.

        • LopsidedPasta

          No. Just… no.

          • Wayne Beck

            Yes, just yes. That’s why PC and Laptop sales have been tanking for the past 5 years. No body wants them anymore. It’s not speculation, it’s fact. A niche group of hardcore PC gamers is not going to magically convince the massive number of Console and Tablet Gamers that they should buy $1000+ PCs that offer them nothing they don’t already have.

            Do you really think Valve is trying to break in to the Console business because they think PCs are going to take over the gaming world?

          • LopsidedPasta

            Developers are maxing out the next gen systems right now. That means that devs can’t upgrade their software developing tools (for console versions) for 9-10 more years, because the next gen consoles can’t handle them. Pretty soon though, the parts used in the consoles, as well as the machinery required to make games for them will become MORE expensive, since the parts get more and more obsolete every year. It’s kind of like trying to find the parts for an N64. It’s so old and weak, no one makes them.

            Maybe 4-6 years from now, most devs may very easily say “screw the consoles, we’re having to pay more money to develop inferior products, let’s make PC games instead.” That was the entire complaint from many third party developers towards the 360 and PS3. “The current gen is powerful enough”.

            Last gen, however, it took a few years for third party devs to fully understand the consoles’ unique hardware (a la Cell Processor). This gen though, the consoles are just glorified PCs. There’s nothing new for devs to learn. Once the technology advances, which it will very soon, it will take developers with it. Am I saying this will kill all third parties? No. But this could very easily be the last generation of dedicated gaming consoles. *Phew* I’m done.

          • jrob23

            just wow

          • LopsidedPasta

            wow what

          • Wayne Beck

            Y’know, i was going to type out an in depth description of how wrong absolutely everything you said was, but honestly, your a waste of my time. PC is dead, get over it.

          • LopsidedPasta

            I don’t even game on PC, I have a macbook. Lol, get over yourself, fanboy.

        • gtosheex

          that’s WHY they buy a gaming pc – TO PLAY GAMES.

          You said it yourself… lol

        • Guest

          You don’t need to pay a ridiculous amount of money to get a gaming PC. $400 can net you a gaming PC that will run most games Medium to Low settings with about the same graphics if not better than XO and PS4 and can perform other tasks such as browsing the web and tons of other thing’s much better than any other device on the market even the tablets. A gaming PC isn’t simply confined to “Gaming” just because the focus/reason for it being built is for gaming.

          • Rinslowe

            I wouldn’t in good conscience recommend a $400 PC to my worst “Frenemy”.

            I may be liberal with consoles for exclusives etc… But no guy, just no no no….

          • MichelChartrand

            $400 may get something that can play games at medium to low settings for now, but games made 5 years from now will probably not work on said PC.
            If you spend that $400 on an unupgradeable form-factor Acer from BestBuy then you can’t put in a new video card since it’s all onboard and no room, etc.
            But a PS4 is $399 and games made for PS4 8 years from now will still work.
            The issue isn’t really will people continue buying consoles when computers can do the trick, it’s simply that consoles are evolving into those computers you speak of. That’s why they keep tacking on things like video, music, internet, heck even Xbox One will let you run apps and edit documents and spreadsheets.
            The future is not a Console Vs. PC world, Consoles will become the PC.

    • Magnus Eriksson

      And the numbers he shows to are the best numbers ever made in one generation. He talks about a total 60M rise between the two consoles that are supposed to last for 10 years, compared to last generation. So I guess that will be the best gen ever for those two. As for Nintendo… well, probably true, but still better than GCN.

    • John Andalora

      I think what he’s saying is that in 10 years time there’s going to be something that makes consoles obsolete, some sort of super device that can do the same thing other consoles can at a lower price that becomes universal.
      It’s too wide of a window for me to take it seriously, but then I guess that’s why he’s the one who makes money for telling people what he thinks.

      • Rinslowe

        IT has already arrived… It’s called… Ouya!

        Oh wait no, that, that’s not it….

        • John Andalora

          I like the Ouya… In its own wacky sort of way.
          I don’t think it matches up to the Big 3 home consoles (and I certainly don’t think that it’s gonna change anything), but it’s just something interesting to do for a bit. It’s like buying a movie from the $5 dollar bin. Yeah, it’s not any Citizen Kane, but it can still hold your interest at a fairly cheap price.

          But still, Pachter… I rarely agree with him. I don’t think there’ll be something within 10 years that changes the game that much.

          • Rinslowe

            Ouya sucks dude. Doesn’t matter if you like it or not. It’s the real failure of this generation. Multiple games released with crippling performance deficits – genuinely. And no-one wants one. Come to think of it. This should have received a mention on CNet the other day. But such is the world.

          • John Andalora

            Well, that’s what happens when you give everyone the opportunity to make a game.

          • Rinslowe

            I don’t know about that, but sure…

    • Michael DeVore

      Total them including Wii and WiiU, and you’ll understand the nonsense he’s saying. This gen sold 260 give or take. He’s saying only 240 will sell over this next gen.

  • LopsidedPasta

    I agree with pretty much everything he says here, except for his sales predictions. Also, I’m pretty sure everyone “bitching” to Pachter already has a Wii U. Who was this directed to?

    • jeffp3456

      you are quite the optimist, i OTOH believe that most people bitching on this site do not have a wii u.. it is just the nature of the internet.

      • LopsidedPasta

        Why would people on wiiudaily not own a Wii U?

        EDIT: I’ve read all the comments and I understand now why people would be regulars on here without a Wii U, it just isn’t something I would personally do. But if you were waiting for a reveal of a game or something like that before buying the console, WUD would be a great site to go to.

        • QuizmasterBos

          Either trolling/hating the Nintendo community, or unsure if they’ll buy one or not. Some prefer to wait until a specific game comes out, like Mario Kart 8 or Super Smash Bros. for example.

          • Proud Borracho Latino

            I plan to buy one I just need to work out a problem I have with my wallet.

          • Madmagican

            Or lack of money (that was my dilemma for a good five-six months after I became a regular of this site)

          • LordiMcKill

            Or Bayonneta 2

        • palomino blue

          I’ve been following Wii U Daily since long before launch and I didn’t get a Wii U until after the price drop for financial reasons. But you also don’t see me bitching.

        • jjbredesen

          I will buy a wii u 21 of november, but i have been on this site for over a year. Why? because i love Nintendo and i want to know what is coming out. My friend owns one and i am have not bought one yet, because of have not had the money before now. (i am 14 and dont have job :P)

          There are a lot of people on the site that don’t own a wii u, but will get one soon.

        • Lusunup

          Um the contest maybe :X

        • Ivรกn Enrique Garcerant Tafur

          I hope buy one this Christmas. Maybe in two weeks ๐Ÿ™‚

          What sells Wii U to me, was the price drop, the New Super Mario Bros U bundle and the fact that I haven’t a Wii ever, so there are so many games to build in a library in no time and at low cost.

          PS4 will come in one or two years, probably after Sony release the Slim version.

          Xbone at the other hand is a no-go to me. I did this generation with Xbox 360 (a wonderful machine) but the One is the most expensive machine this time around, it has few true innovation, and I am scary of bring too much market to Microsoft. :-/

        • jdiaz1994

          I went a month after finding wiiudaily without a Wii U and then I bought one and never regretted it.

          • gtosheex

            i literally did the same thing haha

        • Magnus Eriksson

          …or thinking about getting one?

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            That’s where I fit in. Just not sure when I’ll get one, however.

          • Rinslowe

            Like the PS4 for me (cause there ain’t no generational leap in visuals from where I’m sitting, lol. And I don’t care who disagree’s ha!) when it’s dirt cheap and has like 10 exclusive titles I just can’t “not” play….

        • jeffp3456

          I would say that fan sites are for people who have an opinion about the product, not necessarily those who own the product. I don’t know why but this has been my experience.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          Simple. Because some of us are actual fans of Nintendo, but chose not to buy one for many reasons. Mine would be the lack of games that appeal to me. Just because some of us don’t own one, doesn’t mean we have no right to be here. As for the trolls that come here to spread crap, well I can’t speak for them.

          Hope that clears up some things. It’s an interesting question you asked, but you should really ask ones that have to do with Wii U and not non-Wii U owners. ๐Ÿ˜›

          • Laquandra Washpon

            I’m a troll spreading crap, but I do like Nintendo. The WiiU just does not appeal.

          • jrob23

            you have me confused. what games appeal to you exactly?

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            It’s no surprise that I’d see you responding to my comments again. ๐Ÿ™‚

            Since you asked so nicely, let’s see…. I’m more into games that some people may call “movie type” games. Action/Adventure, survival horror, and indies. A lot of the games that Wii U has third party wise are games that I can easily get on my PS3 or PC. If Wii U had some good third party exclusives, then I would certainly give it a chance. Some may throw Bayonetta at me, but I’ve played the first game before and didn’t finish it as I lost interest in it.

            Like I said, I’m very picky on games and as a buyer, I have that right to be. If Nintendo brought something different to the table. Like a Zelda game that had a Skyrim experience to it, that may convince me to buy a Wii U. Something they haven’t really tried yet. I love Nintendo, but to me, their formula has been the same for a long time. Mario doesn’t have an affect on me when I was young. If I see some newer IP’s that brings something new, then maybe.

            Yes, I am more harder on Nintendo, but that’s more so cause I care about them and their future. As hard as that is to believe for you or anyone who reads my comments, that would be the truth.

            Hope this clears some things up for you. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • gtosheex

            It is a little hard to believe actually. you should say this before every post – maybe people wouldn’t mistake you for a troll Daniel =P

            But in the end your comment sounds sincere and you have gained my respect in that regard, plus the fact that i would love a Zelda/Skyrim game hehe. Even though i just wrote you a semi-spiteful reply on your other note – If you want to let bygones be bygones then i will. There need be no apologies or forgiving. Just a clean slate – it’s the internet right? =]

            (If you want to write me back a mean message you may, i would understand.)

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Trust me, I have many times in the past lol. When your opinion is critical despite being a fan, you won’t be too popular, so you tend to get hated on from time to time. I’m okay with that, I do find some fun responding in sarcastic humor.

            I would love to see a Zelda game in Skyrim style. Nintendo really needs to open their eyes and just think of how great Hyrule would look in a huge open world style. I really hope art style wise, they go for the Zelda HD look that we saw a few e3’s ago.

            Nah, not going to respond back to the last message. You’ve gained my respect for letting it go, and I will too. I don’t hold grudges. So it’s all good. ๐Ÿ˜›

          • gtosheex

            If Hyrule was as big as Skyrim… i don’t even know what i would do… literally – there would be too many things to do lol

          • jrob23

            It sounds to me like you are right where you ought to be as far as consoles go…PS3 and even the PC according to your tastes. I think there is a real possibility of their being a skyrim type experience with Zelda U or a new IP. It’s about time they tried it. You may have just moved on from Nintendo. I guess my main issue with you is you talking down about a console and their games when you don’t own it or play it. But if you keep commenting because you hold out hope one day you’ll get those games then that’s cool ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            You nailed it down well there. I comment because I do hold out hope that Nintendo can do something huge one day and I wanna be there to throw my praises at whatever it may be. I also criticize because I just prefer to diversify things here and it’s how I feel about Nintendo for the most part. It doesn’t equate to hate on my part, just disappointment as they can do so much more.

            They had a bad 2013 with the Wii U. Hopefully they learned from it, and we’ll see a stronger 2014. They have some titles that do interest me, which would be Smash Bros and Mario Kart 8 1st party wise, so that’s a good start. I hope to see more games that will impress.

          • Richard Collard

            You speak your mind; you don’t sugarcoat it like a lot of Nintendo fans do. That’s commendable. I’ve held out on the Wii U as well because of a lack of games. But by 2014, there’ll be enough for me (excluding Smash Bros)., but that’s my preference. Mario Kart 8 with strong online multiplayer would likely be very successful. Smash Bros, however, has rather lost me. (No story mode, fewer characters than Brawl, Sakurai whining about “how choosing the roster is stressful to the point of death”.) I wonder what will be so amazing about the next Smash Bros. I’ve been a Nintendo fan since I was a kid, but I also love a lot of Sony and Microsoft hardware and software too. That shouldn’t make me a bad person, I just have wide preferences, but I go with what’s fun. If WWHD and W101 aren’t fun, then no deal. If Halo is fun, I’ll go with that instead.

          • fireheartis1

            Dude there are plenty of great indie games coming to the Wii U though, and you said survivor horror games that you can’t get on your PS3, well ZombieU is a great one that isn’t on any other system. Your missing out on a great survivor horror game if you don’t pick that one up bro. It’s not perfect but it’s fun enough to justify the purchase of a Wii U man.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Well, I have my reasons as I already stated. When I do get one, I’ll take what you said into consideration at the very least, though. Also, it’s Zombi U, not to nitpick or anything. Yeah, I heard some good things about it, but I’m not too sure on that game. I know there are a good amount of indie games on Wii U, but I’ve always got my indies on PC. Not even on my PS3 did I purchase an indie game, but that’s just my preference.

            I feel it’s up to me to decide what justifies owning a Wii U as it’s a subjective argument. I do appreciate your opinion, however.

          • Rinslowe

            What I read is someone that hasn’t got a lot of reason to buy a Wii U at this point in time due to personal reasons.
            I say that because for personal reasons I pretty much disagree with most things mentioned… (lightly speaking :P)

            Not that it matters as you know, but I believe the only thing constant in Nintendo’s franchises in all honesty are their characters. Not one company has diversified any given series as robustly as Nintendo, but at the same time retaining enough of the essence of each series to feel familiar…

            Ultimately I get it though. As a PC gamer for pushing the technical envelops I’ve had a pretty good run, but as a Wii U owner I’ve only so far reached pleasantly surprised… Deus Ex is stand out third party for me on how well integrated the gamepad is and how that adds to the suspension of disbelief and immersion perfectly (Here’s hoping Watchdogs delivers the same because for me that trumps visuals every time). Pikmin 3 and W101…
            WW HD, a nice look at stylised 1080p Ninty art-styles.

            Hopefully Super Mario 3D World is that killer app I’ve been waiting for. But I’d be lying if I wasn’t also hoping for a Zelda with the scope and freedom of Skyrim…

        • blindtiger

          Wait none of yall have a wii u?!

        • jrb363

          Nice edit. Honestly, I’m waiting for a solid release date for ‘X’. That’s all I want, just a release date. I don’t care it the game averages 0.5/100 on Metacritic, I loved Xenoblade Chronicles so much the “sequel” will convince me to purchase a Wii U.

      • John Andalora

        Well, I can be one to say that I own a Wii U, and I’m not really having a good time with it. Unfortunate to say, but it’s been in its box.
        I can understand where Pachter is coming from with this because so many games that come on Wii U don’t get purchased, leaving people weary to make games for it. So that’s why there’s a shortage of games.

        • jrob23

          there isn’t a shortage of games…what are you talking about?

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            When you compare it to the Gamecube or Wii, it does. If that’s what he meant.

          • John Andalora

            Yeah, there is.
            Unless you like spending a lot of time playing Smurfs 2, Cabela’s Dangerous Hunt, Tank! Tank! Tank!, Planes, Barbie DreamHouse, Monster High, Turbo, Angry Birds, The Croods, Walking Dead: Survival Instinct, Jeopardy, Wheel of Fortune,
            Rapala Fishing, 30 Games, Game Party, ESPN and Virtual Console games, there’s quite a shortage of games.

            And as Daniel said, in comparison to other consoles, there is.

          • jrob23

            Gee way to pick out all the shovelware. Every single platform gets their share of it. Anyone who can look at this list of games:

            Pikmin 3
            The Wonderful 101
            Wind Waker HD
            Super Mario 3D World
            Assisin’s Creed 4
            Call of Duty Ghosts (best version due to wii mote controller)
            Rayman Legends (best version due to gamepad)
            Deus Ex Director’s Cut (best version due to gamepad)
            Splinter Cell Blacklist
            Injustice Gods Among Us
            Lego City Undercover
            Lego Marvel Superheroes
            Wii Fit U
            Wii Party U
            Wii Sports Club

            ALL either exclusive games or multi-platforms that came out at the same time as the PS360 versions. All very well regarded high quality games. You have first person shooters, 2d platformers, 3d platformers, adventure, RPG. That’s 20 games of different types within 12 months.

            But let’s not stop there. Let’s also include games brought to Nintendo in HD for the first time and to many Nintendo fans who never got a PS360.. the first time period:
            Need For Speed Most Wanted (best version)
            Call of Duty Black Ops 2
            Assissin’s Creed 3
            Monster Hunter Tri U
            Batman Arkham City
            Resident Evil Revelations

            Let’s include some other notable games that might not be for everyone and maybe weren’t that highly rated but are still decent offerings for many:

            Sonic Lost World
            Darksiders 2
            Epic Mickey 2
            Game & Wario
            Mario and Sonic at the Winter Olympic Games

            If you can’t find quality in that list you don’t need a Wii U and don’t seem to be a Nintendo fan. So why are you on this site?

            That’s 34 games in a 12 month period. If you don’t like any of those games or the Wii U, then you either:

            a) don’t like Nintendo. As there are several top notch 1st party games already out with more coming so you would have felt compelled to finally play Nintendo in HD after all this time and since you haven’t you can’t really claim to be a fan

            b) like Nintendo but are waiting for a new Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, ‘X’, Smash Brothers, MarioKart 8 to purchase and are happy with their PS360 for everything else or

            c) waiting on a major price drop…PERIOD. Any additional attempts at justifying the price drop based on bullshit hardware weakness, lack of games, etc won’t fly with me and others on here
            The problem I see with some of you posters, and some of you are blatant trolls so I will disregard you…is that it’s difficult for me to believe anyone with the means ($) to buy a Wii U, and that likes Nintendo, could resist buying their first HD console, especially with the quality of games available on it. If you are in the ‘B’ category above it is somewhat understandable. The ‘A’ and ‘C’ crowd which many of you appear to be in makes me wonder why you even bother coming on here. Daniel, you fall in that category. You want us to believe you are category B but really you sound more like C.

          • John Andalora

            I’d probably fit best into your B category.
            I like Nintendo, but a lot of the games have just felt kind of same-y.

            NSMBU didn’t do it for me, WWHD NO WAY, NintendoLand was okay but didn’t last long, Game & Wario took a step backwards, MH3U isn’t my cup of tea, didn’t pick up Pikmin 3 cause it was more of the same, W101 was fine but got annoying, and not interested in Wii Party U, Wii Fit U, or Wii Sports U after the Wii did the same thing.

            That’s also a concern with games coming up. MK8 and SSBU feel kind of same-y to me too.

            I honestly got the Wii U originally for Rayman Legends (That was before I played Origins). I had been playing Nintendo since N64 and really liked it because it went out of the box.

            But I’m just not getting that here. I’m not really getting that kind of rush I got with Paper Mario or Luigi’s Mansion or Animal Crossing when you play them for the very first time. It just feels kind of… same-y.

            The ports and remakes also don’t help. I got a 360, and I’d probably have just bought games for that first.

            I think X could be cool, but I’d like to see more before going in. But other than that, I’m just in a rut with Nintendo that I really want to get out of.

          • jrob23

            there seem to be many who feel like you do. Personally, I feel each of these iterations i.e. Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3d World, DKCRTF are unique because that is how Nintendo makes them…the same…but different. I can see how people might be tired of 2d Marios. I haven’t played one of those in years. Just seems overplayed to me. Though I did get Super Mario 3D Land for my 3DS but that isn’t a pure side scroller imho. I just bought Luigi’s Mansion. Hoping it’s as good as I’ve heard.

          • John Andalora

            Don’t get me wrong when I say that I liked the original to most of these games. However, the sequels just aren’t doing it for me.

          • Orange Lada

            I’d agree there “was” a shortage of games. but now I’ve got:

            Zelda Wind Waker, Monster Hunter 3, Pikmin 3, and Deus Ex Directors Edition.

          • John Andalora

            1) Not a fan of remakes.
            2) MH3 was okay.
            3) Didn’t play Pikmin 3 cause I’ve never really been a huge Pikmin fan. Still gotta finish #1.

            That’s just me, though.

        • darkcreap

          What kind of games do you like that there are not in the WiiU? I mean, surely there are lots of them, but which? You are not the first person I meet who owns a WiiU and has that problem.

          In my case, I don’t feel the scarcity. Actually, I am a bit saturated with games.

          • John Andalora

            For games that came out when the Wii U was around…
            Grand Theft Auto V, Bioshock Infinite, Far Cry 3, Hotline Miami, Guacamelee, Thomas Was Alone, Stealth Inc., DeadPool, Papers Please, DiveKick, and Killzone Mercenary.
            For games I still want to get, Ys: Tales of Celceta and Tearaway are some, along with Killzone: Shadowfall, Knack, Flower, and maybe I’ll sneak in some Madden.

            Forgive me, it’s been a very slow year (that’s why there’s so many shooters). This has not been the most fun year of gaming for me.

          • darkcreap

            Um, yeah. I was hoping that they would anounce a quick port of GTA V. I would love that game so badly on the WiiU. No wonder you are irritated: none of the games you mention have come to WiiU.

          • John Andalora

            That isn’t to say I didn’t like games on Wii U, but they were only ZombiU and Rayman Legends (and a little NintendoLand)

      • gtosheex

        raise your hand if you had to look up what OTOH stands for *raises hand*. i seriously cant believe some of the acronyms these days – no offense to you jeff.

        • Niknique

          *also raises hand* Wow OTOH is a pretty stupid acronym. No offense to anyone who uses it but im just saying it’s kinda pointless.

        • fireheartis1

          The funny thing is that I guessed what it meant before I looked it up. Kind of a dumb acronym for something that doesn’t need one lol.

      • Rinslowe


        Most people here at Wii U Daily who gripe the most, are the ones surprise surprise without a Wii U.
        Not surprising again how half the things people say (with Wii U’s), seems like fanboy logic to those without one.

        But there’s no getting between a dude/ dudette and their theories, lol.

        Probably a little off topic, ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Daniel Carvalho

      I have to say, I still don’t own a Wii U. The reason, I have no money for any console, currently looking for a job to pay for my studies overseas. Only when I get to board the plane I’ll be able to buy a next gen console.

      But you shouldn’t just agree with what he says. Everything now is a gaming device, but in the end it all comes to what each piece of hardware can do that a cell phone or tablet can’t, and we know at least the Wii U is capable of much more than just a simple super computer with the Gamepad and Nintendo’s creativity. And Sony and Microsoft will go after that once they see it making success, and the competition between those three will grow up once again.

      I once agreed with what Pachter said. Then I re-read the text, used a bit of my brain cells and found out he was wrong once again. He may seem at least a bit correct (I too see it like this now), but a bit of further analysis always shows that he’s, as always, wrong.

      • LopsidedPasta

        You’re missing the point of the article. Pachter isn’t saying that we’re going to wake up tomorrow and there won’t be any consoles. He’s saying that when a tablet CAN provide that AAA gaming experience, that’s what the masses will want, because that’s what’s most convenient. This generation will last around a decade and in that time, tablets and pcs will advance, but the consoles will stay exactly where they are right now. I mean, what happens when Apple starts to REALLY take gaming seriously? The 8th gen consoles will still be stuck where they are today. Developers are already maxing out the PS4 and Xbox One, so in a decade what do you think will happen? The long generations will have held gaming back.

        • Daniel Carvalho

          I see your and his point. thing is, it’s never black and white. I do believe it was a mistake from Sony and Microsoft to invest solely on raw power again and only a few extra features that any PC can do, but I don’t believe the gaming market will ever bend the way he says it will.

          It is indeed hard to come up with something unique that only your console can do and no PC, tablet or smartphone can or will be able to for now, but it’s not impossible.

          You also have to take into consideration that developers will keep making games to whatever device they see as a profitable field, and as many gamers love having a gaming console for the sole purpose of gaming alone (no matter how much you love Miiverse, you would still buy a Wii U solely from the games). I see what Pachter means, I just can’t agree to what he says.

          • LopsidedPasta

            We’ll see what happens

        • WiiU4life

          You’re missing the point of the Wii U. If Pachter is correct, and if in 10 or so years tablets provide AAA gaming experiences; the Wii U and it’s inclusion of a tablet screen for streaming would have been light years ahead of the game.

          • LopsidedPasta

            But the Wii U hardware would still have the same power as it does today, very weak by 2022 standards, while the iPads would have gained tremendous amounts of power over the previous decade.

          • The Clockwork Being

            But what you don’t seem to understand is that the Wii U’s time span will not be 10 years. I think it will be about 7 years. This will give enough time to Nintendo to deliver a console superior to the X1 and PS4 by alot.(They could go with 11 GB of RAM and use 1 of it for OS while the PS4 and X1 have used up to half of it for OS). Thus they will release a powerful console which obviously will have the gamepad as an option but it will be way more powerful than all the gaming devices available at that time. That can be possible.

        • The Clockwork Being

          Funny. Look at the Wii U which hasn’t been maxed out yet. Although making the PS4 and X1 near PC tech is making it easy to develop for but devs will max out the hardware very easily. Look at the X1 not being able to play some games at 1080p this early in the generation. By next year, the devs will already have maxed out.

          • LopsidedPasta


        • Rinslowe

          By the time a tablet can provide me with the same AAA experience – matching the best these new consoles can offer in terms of exclusive content, input accuracy & innovation, or when they reach PC levels in visuals and performance – then I dare say;
          “I’ll already be playing games from my contact lenses, streaming light information directly on to my visual cortex and sound through a cochlear in-plant.”

          Tech is evolving faster than Pachter is aging…

          • LopsidedPasta

            Edit in some punctuation. I am seriously unable to read that.

          • Rinslowe

            Just for you!

    • Magnus Eriksson

      My guess is PS4:103M, outselling Wii with 2M. XB1: 102M outselling Wii with 1M. and Wii U: 5M, discontinued in March but outselling at least Philips CD-i. Nintendo will drop the console biz, working with handhelds and dominate that branch totally.

      • gtosheex

        They are also going to work with your mom and dominate that branch totally too. Got him.

        • Magnus Eriksson

          Nah, your mom jokes are to old to get me. Also you shouldnt talk like that to grown ups.

          • gtosheex

            So my jokes are too “old” for you – yet you are a” grown up”… hmmm…

          • Derk

            You shouldn’t talk to anybody like that but you already know that.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            He’s just one of those types of people who feel they can say what they want because it’s the internet, and we are all basically anonymous here. Yet, this guy teaches for a living so he claims.

            I guess we all have to find some ways to relieve our stress. Those kids must really piss him off during work hours. ๐Ÿ˜›

          • gtosheex

            Oh sorry I didnt know I can’t say what i want. But wait a minute, arent you saying what you want right now? I mean you say that whole shpeel and then go on to take a jab at me involving my personal life. Bravo Daniel, and bravo hypocrisy.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Basically how you did the same to me at one point, correct? I thought so too. You’re in no position to talk of hypocrisy my friend. I was just playing your immaturity game, nothing more. Besides, weren’t you the one who brought up being 24 excuses you from acting mature? Don’t be so upset that someone gave you a taste of what you spew on and off.

            In any case, it’s the internet, right? Don’t take it so personal. Bravo, gtosheex. ๐Ÿ˜›

          • gtosheex

            Soooo you are trying to get back at me a month later by acting immature? Don’t be such a girl and hold a grudge man.

            Also i don’t remember taking a jab at your personal life but I apologize if i did. (serious) Just remember calling you a hypocrite. troll, maybe something along the lines of a fucking joke (based on what you did on the internet – not in your personal life). If you took that personal then maybe you should take your own advice, it’s just the internet right?

          • Rinslowe

            Um, if I may….

            It’s spiel….

            (walks backward, slowly, both hands in plain sight…. carefully reaches… for… door….gone)

            Phew! Did I make it?

          • gtosheex

            haha whoops well at first i didn’t think it was a “real” word. i typed in shpeel to actually see how to spell it and it brought me to urban dictionary with that spelling so assumed it wasn’t really a word. thanks though =]

          • Rinslowe

            Lol, true most of us are anonymous. Assuming that’s your real pic….

            I’m 85. And yes all I have left is my eye. But it works just fine for typing tks.

            (Not to get involved….)

          • blindtiger

            Your trolling is getting old…

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          You get bent out of shape easy for a teach. ๐Ÿ˜›

          • gtosheex

            really? lol it was almost a sarcasticly stupid joke. hence the “got him” part making it sound even cheesier.

      • Hipster Victor

        Thats very unrealistic buddy, I can agree that the ps4 could outsold the wii u….maybe even the ps3 if its that hype. But the Wii? really? its not even all that big of an upgrade and you think it can outsold the Wii. It’ll most likely share the same downfall like the wii U along with the XBoxone deal with it.

      • fireheartis1

        Come on Magnus you know for a fact you do not want that happening. That would suck for everyone not having a Nintendo console. Of course if that happens that means we still have Nintendo around and I’ll be buying all their handhelds and not anymore consoles, but heck at least I’ll have my Wii U still to play and enjoy dude.

      • Rinslowe

        Did I miss the sarcasm? Wii U discontinued before Kart, Smash, X, Bayo 2 and Zelda…???
        Not bloody likely mate!

        Not on myyyy watch!

    • Alex

      The sales predictions are way off especially this economy, Pachter really needs to study more and stop being a fanboy.

      • bigevilworldwide

        LOL so now you idiots are blaming the economy for people not buying Wii Us LMAO…..

        • Alex

          Because it’s happening later on a single bread would cost over $100 if we don’t do something, simple as that.

    • Micheal Pachter

      Sorry guys, I was drunk when I said this. No way would the xbox one hit 90 million Hahaha.

      • ShilaquilOneal

        Hey Pachter, didn’t you actually meant to tell Wii U owners to shut up and BUY GAMES?

        Because the problem is not so much that the Wii U doesn’t sell. The problem is that Wii U owners DO NOT BUY GAMES.

        Aside from NSMBU & NintendoLand, the Wii U lacks million selling games. Most games are flopping hard on the system.

        How the hell did Rayman Legends flop on the Wii U? How the heck did Zombi U not sell at least a million units? How the fudge did Resident Evil: Revelations only sold 60,000 units on the Wii U WORLDWIDE? Are you kidding me?


        • ItzameyaToad

          Rayman Legends didn’t flop on the Wii U moron it sold the best on the Wii U haha and if anything the reason it flopped was the time period it was launched and Ubisoft pissing of Nintendo fans. Zombie U wasn’t viewed as a must have game and didn’t get stellar reviews would be my guess.And in order for Nintendo owners to want to buy games the games need to 1: not be gimped 2: have all DLC support etc. enough with the excuses 3rd party publishers! The reason people buy more 1st party games on Nintendo consoles is because third party pisses on Nintendo owners while expecting sales. If 3rd party wan’t more sales bring out quality games with Nintendo fans in mind the same as the other versions and it will sell. Bring a gimped game and you will get low sales PERIOD!

          And I can bet money that Wind Waker and possibly Pikmin 3 will break a million sales by the end of the year.


          • ShilaquilOneal

            “it sold the best on the Wii U haha”

            ^^^ In other words, it flopped less hard than on the other consoles. That’s what you’re telling me? Because if that’s what you’re telling me, then how the hell does that contradict what I said? I said that it flopped on the Wii U. Nothing of what you said proves otherwise. Jeeesus.

            Listen, I’m not a Wii U basher here. I love the system. But we’re not going to help this console go ANYWHERE as long as we do not support it by BUYING GAMES.

            And not all 3rd party efforts were gimped as you claim. The game Need for Speed: Most Wanted for Wii U was actually the definitive console edition. Looking almost as good as the PC version. It featured improved graphics and gameplay elements. And yet…. IT FLOPPED.

            You can say that EA and Ubisoft are being boycotted by Wii U fans. And I would tell you that such boycotts are pure stupidity in the flesh. Because you’re actually boycotting the dev teams who want to bring these games to the Wii U. Teams that want to continue working on more Wii U projects. But BECAUSE Wii U fans do not buy their games, they cannot continue to support the system.

            Wise up, people!

          • fireheartis1

            Ok I’ve never ever heard anybody say they were boycotting Ubisoft. Heck Ubisoft is actually trying on the Wii U. Don’t forget it’s not the first week of a game being out that proves it failed in sales, it’s the end of year report. I plan on getting Rayman Legends when I have a little more money, but first it’s AC4 which means that I’ll still be supporting Ubisoft for their wonderful effort. As for EA it was their decision to screw us over in the first place. Heck to not get Madden 25 is an slap in the face. That’s why no one bought Need for Speed: Most wanted( except for me lol). It wasn’t the development team that screwed us which sucks about them, but EA the publisher decided to screw Wii U fans. Yes everyone should have bought NfS:MW too support Criterion Games for the effort, but I guess being EA published the game people were too butthurt to buy it. That is a shame, but so is EA’s attitude towards the Wii U.

          • ShilaquilOneal

            But you gotta admit that Wii U owners are not buying games in the numbers that they should.

            For crying out loud, the console only has had 2 games that have sold at least a million units. TWO GAMES!

            You can thumb me down all you want. But this is the truth. Its a sad reality that no Wii U user can deny. We gotta stop burying our heads in the sand and face reality.

            The GAMECUBE had several million sellers by this time in its life-cycle.

            1. Super Smash Bros

            2. Luigi’s Mansion

            3. Star Wars Rogue Squadron 2: Rogue Leader

            4. Resident Evil

            5. Super Mario Sunshine

            6. Metroid Prime

            7. Resident Evil 0

            And a few other titles. The Dreamcast had 6 million selling titles before it died out in a period of 2 years.

            What the heck are you guys using your Wii U’s for? To watch Netflix? Waste time on Miiverse?


          • fireheartis1

            I can’t speak for everyone, but I have too pick and choose what games to get on my Wii U. I have a wife and two boys too support and I’m paying off college classes right now. As soon as that’s done I can get more Wii U games. As of right now I own 7 Wii U games, and I’m buying more once my Christmas bonus comes in. I’ll be buying AC4 soon as well as Sonic Lost World and Super Mario 3D World. After that it’s back too waiting until my classes are paid completely off. I did pick up Deus Ex: Human Revolution: Director’s Cut and LoZ: Wind Waker just recently. Before that I already had 5 games plus my Wii collection. Unfortunately life gets in the way of game buying sometimes you know.

          • ShilaquilOneal

            I understand that.

            But its frustrating as a Wii U owner to see that it seems that no one is buying Wii U games!

            The Wonderful 101 was one of the best titles of the year. Got great reviews by both critics and users. And yet…. sigh…. and yet, it bombed worse than Dane Cook at the laugh factory.

            Then there is Pikmin 3….. I know its not everyone’s cup of tea. But the previous 2 games were million sellers. Okay its too soon to say anything about this game because its already half way to selling a million.

            Anyway, I’m afraid that even big games like Super Mario 3D World are not going to sell.

            Because Wii U users are using they consoles to watch MATLOCK or Judge Judy instead of BUYING GAMES!

            Seriously, why aren’t more Wii U owners buying games? What’s going on? Its not like Wii U games are more expensive than PS3 or 360 games.

          • fireheartis1

            I don’t see that happening at all. I almost forgot to mention Pikmin 3 as one I’m picking up thanks for reminding me. As for Wonderful 101 unfortunately that’s one I’ll have to get after January when my classes are paid off. I’m not sure why games aren’t being bought by other people. You’ve got to remember some of the games coming out are gimped and no one wants them. The ones that aren’t gimped yah I agree they need to sell a lot more.

          • ShilaquilOneal

            Well some Gamecube games were also gimped due to constraints with the smaller disc format on that console. Audio and graphics had to be compressed to fit in those tiny 1.5GB discs.

            And yet gamers bought Gamecube 3rd party games, regardless of the fact that you could find superior versions on the original Xbox. Several of them became million sellers.

            So I don’t see why things have changed now. I don’t understand why its a big issue. Its not like these ports are downright terrible or even broken (ok, Darksiders II was a lousy port, but still).

            I hope things change come X-mas.

          • Oliver

            Your argument is one of the worst i have ever encountered. While it’s true that games need to sell in order to entice the rest of the developers to join in on the Wii U market, the core of your argument is just arrogant.

            I don’t know how privileged you are, but in case you haven’t noticed: games cost money.

            To claim that gamers are being stupid for not ‘showing support’ is essentially saying that it’s OUR fault games don’t look appealing <– 'cause that's the problem.

            Why do you think Splinter Cell doesn't sell in comparison to Mario or Zelda? Could it be that the Nintendo crowd maybe don't care much for those kind of games.

            Variety is the most important factor of all, and we stood a good 6 months of not even being offered a game! Monster Hunter was the only exclusive to hit the machine for a good while in the beginning, and it was a mere HD remake of an old Wii U title – a remake of a title within a niche series in the west. It even sold DECENTLY in spite of that and how many consoles were out on the market, but it wouldn't suprise me if people simply bought it, because they wanted something for their library!

            So far i have all my multiplats on the Wii U, but it's not like there's a whole lot of exciting multiplats hitting the consoles anyway.

            It doesn't boil down to the people, 'cause the people will buy exciting games when they have the money. The problem is about communicaton, marketing and a general appeal. Wonderful 101 is a good game, but it's no mystery that it don't appeal to people. It barely got any marketing and visually – while definitely something – didn't stand a chance in contrast to games like The Last of Us or whatever was visually astonishing at the time of release.

            It's Nintendos own fault that the big 3rd party devs/publishers have run away – they already did prior to the release of the console because they knew Nintendo had nothing to offer with the machine.

            Even Nintendo games are getting somewhat stale and boring. It's always the same with a new layer of paint.

            Judging the consumer for the issues with the Wii U…. Nah, that's too arrogant for me.

          • Andrew W Garttmeyer


          • ShilaquilOneal

            And you’re being a bit arrogant yourself by assuming that I want you all to buy every Wii U game in existence until you and your family go broke.

            Read what I’m saying here and do not ASSume.

            I’m saying that people bought games during the GAMECUBE era. No one went broke then for supporting the cube.


            So keep your assumptions to yourself and try reading my posts and understanding what I’m actually saying.


          • TheAquacharger

            The Gamecube era was not during a recession. If anything that’s when the economy was super good. I barely have any extra spending cash. So I buy one game a month now. I have to choose between games for my PS3, PC, 3DS, and Wii U.

          • ShilaquilOneal

            Wut? I think you need to check your sources.

            There was a pretty FAMOUS recession during the Gamecube era. Don’t you remember the “” bubble bursting?

            Heck, that recession was even the plot of an SIMPSONS episode (the Angry Dad episode).

            Things got worse due to the 9-11 attack. Even Nintendo’s President at the time mentioned that Gamecube sales could’ve been affected due to said attack.

            Things were actually worse back then. A lot more toxic.

          • HouZI

            WiiU got an attach rate of 2,8 games per console, how is that not supporting? For the 3DS the number is the same, also 2,8 but it’s on the market for more than double the time!
            More numbers: Each week 10% of WiiU owners buy a WiiU game, for ps3 and xbox360 that’s only 4%

            So in fact the existing WiiU owners are VERY supportive to their system!

            There’s just not enough owners….

          • ShilaquilOneal

            There being only 2 games that sold above a million units tells a different story.

            Wii U owners are not buying games. If those two games could reach a million units, what’s keeping the rest of the Wii U’s library from reaching the same sales mark (or just sell HALF a million).

          • ShilaquilOneal

            And go ahead, keep down-voting me. Every down-vote just tells me that you’re just burying your heads in the sand and trying to avoid the truth.

            (NOTE: I’m not saying this to the Wii U owners that are concerned and want to find a solution, just to the ones that want people to keep quiet about this problem and wish it away)

          • MujuraNoKamen

            “it’s Nintendo’s own fault that the big 3rd party devs/publishers have run
            away – they already did prior to the release of the console because they
            knew Nintendo had nothing to offer with the machine.”
            Not true, AC3, BO2 and even Batman (even if that one was a bit old by the time it hit Wii U) were solid ports of great games. They were some of the best in the launch line-up (especially after Nintendo pushed back Pikmin 3 and W101) and no one bought them! ZombiU was billed to be the stand-out launch title and in a way it was (it deserves better reviews than it got) it makes a great case for the gamepad and adds a dash of variety to Nintendo’s predominantly E-rated library, and guess what no one bought it. We’re lucky to be getting Ghosts and Black Flag yet Wii U owners avoid them like the plague claiming they’re gimped ports which isn’t the case, BO2 only missed DLC due to low sales and if Ghosts does better then maybe Activision will support Wii U again.
            “the Nintendo crowd maybe don’t care much for those kind of games” not true, look at the ZombiU hype, and all the people who begged for AC, Batman, CoD and even Battlefield to come to Wii U as well as pleas for KH3, FF15, the Division the list goes on. Of course, despite what people say they won’t actually out it into practice and buy a damn game, they’ll buy fuck all and complain there’s nothing to play.

          • Rinslowe

            “The Wonderful 101 was one of the best titles of the year. Got great reviews by both critics and users. ”

            Not to really get involved, but yeah it’s sad that such a great game (like Rayman in a lot of ways) hasn’t been more popular so far….

            Maybe too many people are holding out for Platinum Games’ Bayo 2?

          • ShilaquilOneal

            That’s a terrible way to show Platinum Games some support, don’t ya think?

            By ignoring their first effort. That has to be a big blow to the confidence of the team working on Bayo 2.

            C’mon guys. Show Platinum Games some love. If you do, they’ll bring more games our way. Its not like The Wonderful 101 is a hard pill to swallow. The game is like Pikmin mixed with Viewtiful Joe. What videogamer wouldn’t want to play something like that?

          • Rinslowe

            Actually I don’t really think that was the case, but who knows?

            W101 was such a niche title anyway, the first of it’s kind (for the series, if it turns out to be a series…) It took me a while to settle into it TBH and turned out to be great, but I’m certain that Bayo 2 is hitting the spot, first time…

            Maybe a lot of peeps are just as eager as I am to play it?

          • imthebestonlyonegood

            Sorry i dont buy mediocre games

          • TheAquacharger

            People tried the demo and hated it.

          • ShilaquilOneal

            They need to realize that you cannot play a demo of the Wonderful 101 and fully understand its true beauty.

            It takes more than a brief demo to discover new features and gameplay mechanics in the game & how they start to come together and finally click for the player. Stuff that suddenly make you realize that the game gets better the more you play it. And that’s when you become addicted to it and want to master it.

            W101 is like Viewtiful Joe in that the more you play it, the more rewarding the experience is for the player. Unfortunately, the demo was not very good at giving that impression and the message didn’t go through to players..

          • TheAquacharger

            But if people dislike the core new features and mechanics wont fix that. Everyone who I ran into who dislikes W101 hates the core game play. They hate drawing patterns to do everything in the game, the combat system, and just overall the core gameplay.

          • HouZI

            w1101 is crap.
            Is just an advertisment to obesity celebrating
            “wonder green” the fatty as a superhero who is fast and powerful whilst
            living a totally unhealthy lifestyle.

            Pikmin 3 on the other hand
            is beautiful masterpiece of a strategy game. Which makes you want to eat
            some delicious healthy fruit!

          • imthebestonlyonegood

            Things become popular if theyre good. You statement is not even correct. Rayman sold 0.2 better on the wii u compared to the ps3. Not even nintendo fan boys bought it. Wonderfull 101, metacritic dont lie its mediocre. Armani is popular because its high quality clothing and stylish. people want it. Nobody wants the wii u, it isnt popular its not a good system. THIS IS FACTUAL

          • Jon

            I have bought my fair share of games on my Wii U, Lets see, I got 9 retail titles in physical form. They are Wario, SMBU, Pikmin, Zelda WW, Wii u Party, Nintendo land, Lego City, ACIII, and Sonic All Star Racing.Then I got both Wii sports games, went and bought Wii Fit, and have MH3 downloaded. As for E-shop titles….. I have an entire page filled…. yeah 15 titles. Then I got probably 15 more VC titles (+/- a few, not in front of my Wii U so i cannot really count them). There will be more coming soon as well as I plan to get 3D world and AC IV, and W101 as I get more pay cheques in. I have a friend who is similar, he has a few less games from the E-shop. So to say we don’t buy games…. is a bit far.

          • Andrew W Garttmeyer

            My game time is quite limited with a 2.5 year old and 3 month old. It took me 6 months to play 90 hours of Ni No Kuni to platinum to show you how much I get to play. On the other hand, once Pikmin 3 came out I pretty much dropped everything and played that to completion.

            Which means when a game comes out for the Wii U that I am interested…I am buying, but I am being selective, and it’s my choice! I bought the Wii U at least?

          • Nintenjoe82

            Did those games get to 1,000,000 instantly or did some of them take the entire life of the Gamecube to sell that many?

            I agree with you and Pachter though, Wii U owners need to stop bitching about ports and buy some games. The argument that people would buy Wii U versions of games if they have the DLC is invalid because the games that have included it have not performed well either. Some of the reviews have been unhelpful and I do think the publishers brought the poor sales on themselves by picking games that nobody needed rather than trying to give the Wii U some kind of parity with major releases in 2013.

            Anyway, I have no guilt for my purchases so far. I’ve bought at least 2 EA, 1 Ubisoft, 1 Activision, 1 Warner Bros, 1 Square Enix, 5 Nintendo, 1 Sega, 1 Namco and that’s just retail discs.

          • LukeBlackburn

            this is over the life of gamecube… we aren’t even a year in…

          • ShilaquilOneal

            The Cube had more million selling titles than the Wii U in its first year of life. Even the Dreamcast had more than 2 of them.

            So there is a real problem here of Wii U owners not buying games.

            Pachter only cares for hardware sales. But we, the players, should care for software sales. Because if games sell on the Wii U, then we won’t have to beg for games to come our way. As it happens now.

          • TheAquacharger

            Let’s compare launches: A bunch of original games (GCN) or games that were on consoles coming out around the same time (see no late ports), or late ports. or port of PS3/360 games, a few original games.

            There’s your difference. It’s all games people have played before. Why the hell would I buy ME3 on Wii U? If I liked ME I’d have it on PS3/360/PC. If I never played it why would I start with the third one?
            And all the games that sold poorly at GCN launch were late ports too.

          • ShilaquilOneal

            ME3 included material that made Wii U owners catch up to what had happened in the first two games. So what’s the problem again?

            And BTW, Need for Speed: Most Wanted was not a watered down port of any other console game. It was created using resources from the PC version. Sure, it was a late port, but it was a mighty good effort by the dev team behind it and its the definitive console version, as a result of their hard work. How did Wii U owners responded to that effort? Well, they ignored it and allowed it to BOMB!

            Rayman Legends? That game was not a port either. The other consoles got a port. It bombed.

            Some more examples:

            Lego City: Undercover
            Scribblenauts Unlimited
            Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed

            And every console gets “late ports”. Same thing will happen with both the PS4 and Xbone. There are some games that are available now that will eventually be sold on those systems.

          • TheAquacharger

            I said launch. And if I wanted Scribblenauts Unlimited at Wii U launch I would’ve picked it up on PC for $10 off steam. THE SAME DAY IT CAME OUT (hard to convince me to buy a $60 version when steam sales are going on and it launches for $10 on PC now I can get it for $5 from Humblebundle yet it’s now $40 on Wii U). Sonic All star is on every console, so no need to get a Wii U for it. Rayman was supposed to be exclusive then bailed, so no doesn’t count. No where did I say NSFMWU was watered down. I just said why would you buy the same game twice. And don’t expect Wii U owners to buy everything. Again I hate racing games, but I bought it because it was $20. Worst $20 I ever spent.

          • Ken Seymour

            I really think sales are not accurate because I am pretty sure they don’t count digital and retail..I would like to see a breakdown of both…

          • Tom Greene

            I will never buy a Ubisoft or EA game ever again….therefore. .boycott.

          • Rinslowe

            “Because if that’s what you’re telling me, then how the hell does that contradict what I said?”

            I would argue in that persons defence, that his comment corrected yours in terms of context. There’s no point in pointing out a game which sold badly on Wii U, if it in turn sold worse everywhere else…

            That means the game itself wasn’t universally accepted not necessarily that Wii U owners “don’t buy games”

            In other words, as far as Rayman goes… Poor choice to make a point IMO.

          • ShilaquilOneal

            Well I stand corrected on that point.

            I agree that Rayman games are not beloved by actual gamers and that they flop all around. Regardless of console or system that they come out for.

            Critics sure love them, though.

          • Rinslowe

            It’s a shame, easily one of the best platformers this year I thought.

          • ShilaquilOneal

            Wow, they down-voted me for saying the truth about Rayman.


            The fact that they down-voted me for saying the TRUTH means that all the down-voting they been giving me, was for also SAYING THE TRUTH.

            I’m perfectly fine with that. Keep at it.

          • Orange Lada

            Games … lemme see ….

            Zelda WW, Just Dance, Zombi U, Deus Ex, Trine, Wii Sports (Tennis and Bowling), the Cave, Tank! Tank! Tank!, Scribblenauts, Game & Wario, Monster Hunter 3, Pikimin 3, and all of those other than Zombi U and Scribblenauts are downloads (I won’t even count the $0.30 games). (ie 83% downloaded).

            If I am representative, for ever game purchased at a store, there are 6 games downloaded. SIX! The majority of purchases may be the “hidden” download sales.

            If I am representative, Wii U owners purchase 12 games per year for their console. That is not too shabby at all.

            The buying of Wii U games you speak of may in fact be happening.

          • TheAquacharger

            The problem with NFSMWU is that A if people wanted NFSMW they’d have it on PS3/360/PC. So why would people rebuy the game for a few upgrades and no DLC options? B not everyone likes racing games. I HATE arcade/street racing games. I like driving sims, but even they get boring after a bit. I bought NFSMWU and after a week I never touched it again.

          • Rinslowe

            I agreed with just about everything except the “moron” part.
            No need to go there, mate!

          • ItzameyaToad

            Yeah I really only bring out the Moron card when im initially worked up over a comment haha. The way she worded her comment just pissed me off in a way so I felt Moron was appropriate to show her she was wrong. I agree though it was a bit harsh haha

          • Rinslowe

            You’re a better man than I…!!

          • imthebestonlyonegood

            I thought people bought nintendo systems for nintendo games. Why do you care about third party? nintendo will never get third party

          • ItzameyaToad

            That’s why they are still getting it? Funny guess people don’t consider Activision, Capcom, Ubisoft, Square Enix, Sega, Konami, Bandi as well as alot of others on top of alot of Indie support which also counts as third party support so not sure what your talking about. And people on Nintendo systems do buy third party games but like I said people don’t like to buy gimped ports with lack of DLC.

          • imthebestonlyonegood

            rayman legends DID flop on the wii u, niggah gtfo

          • ItzameyaToad

            It sold better on Wii U than the other versions though which was my point. The game itself did flop yes but the Wii U version sold better than any other version so her point doesn’t make much sense especially when using that game as an example. Sorry my niggah have that seat.

        • AAAkabob

          The attachment rate for the Wii U is over 6, so I’d say you’re wrong

          • darkcreap

            Where did you see it? I am interested. It seems pretty high. By the way, I have far more than 6 games (counting retail, download and VC titles), so I guess I am a bit above average.

          • AAAkabob

            It was in video form or on a podcast from IGN.

          • cardmeister

            @AAAkabob:disqus , @darkcreap:disqus


            Global attach rate for the Wii U is at 2.85

            @shilaquiloneal:disqus Considering global attach rate for the XBox 360 (over 8 years) is at 10.54, it might not be fair to say that Wii U owners are not buying games.

            Also note that digital download of games are notoriously omitted from these types of reports because those numbers are not publicly reported; retail sales are. I rarely do digital download of retail titles, but it MUCH more common now than it was over the life of the 360.

            Unfortunately, the number of units out there is still low so even if an above avg percent of wii u owners purchase a given title, the total sales for that title are still low.

            Nintendo has made some serious mistakes (the biggest of which is product recognition, IMHO). But that may not be the biggest factor in low console sales. Many of my _hardcore_, long-time, gamer friends are not moving on *any* new console because there just isn’t as much of a reason to upgrade as there has been in previous generations (law of diminishing returns). The same reason they don’t update their PC video card every year any more. We’ll have a better picture of market vs. vendor factors after the first year of the PS4/XB1.

            (Launch day Wii U owner, 6 physical games, 0 digital retail games)

          • Orange Lada

            I commented elsewhere – my attach rate is 12 (excluding pack-in and $0.30 games) of which 10 are DOWNLOADS. Are downloads being picked up in sales figure though?

          • ShilaquilOneal

            It could be that the hardcore Nintendo fan is dying out. And that the original Wii was the last console that they supported.

            But actually, I think they started to move on since the Gamecube days. Because even on the original Wii, their support was softening. And I remember reading that they complained about Nintendo not targeting them at all and instead going after casuals.

            So that could explain why the Wii U is not getting their support anymore.

            I hope games like Smash Bros, a new Metroid, DKCR2 and the new Zelda will bring them back into the fold.

            If not, then Pachter is right….. this might be Nintendo’s last home console.

          • AAAkabob

            Here’s a protip: When you quote VGcharts you loose all credibility.

        • Martijn Plasmans

          True. Splinter Cell, Cod: Ghosts… 3rd party games that are not selling well on the Wii U. That way 3rd party’s won’t easily put their next game out on that platform.

          I think that the main Nintendo/Wii U audience really is only interested in Mario/Zelda/Pikmin/Smash Bros etc.

          A lot of us here want big 3rd party games, but most people just play some Mario or Mario kart here and there.

          • snooklet

            It certainly doesn’t help that the advertisements for 3rd party games on Wii U are almost nonexistant. I havent seen a single TV commercial for COD ghosts that even mentions that its also available on Wii U. It’ll either only show xboxone, ps4, or both Microsoft and Sony but no Nintendo. ๐Ÿ™ I’m starting to see Wii U adds all over gaming websites like Ign, d-toid, and vgchartz.A vast majority of us are aware of the games. I’m not a marketing major, but I feel like Nintendo should have an add in places that will be seen by people that don’t go looking for gaming news.

          • Martijn Plasmans

            I agree on you sir! Your defenitely right. Only the last week i saw a rise in ads on TV, besides gaming websites.

        • Andrew W Garttmeyer

          Sorry, but none of those games really appeal to me :(. I would have bought Rayman, but I never finished Rayman Origins for the PS3. I might still buy Lego Marvel for the Wii U, but I am undecided. Super Mario 3D, Mario Kart, Wii U Party will all get bought however.

          • ShilaquilOneal

            Well it seems like there are no games that appeal to Wii U owners.

            I hope that there is AT LEAST one game out there that will have a mass appeal and people will buy it to the point we can one day say: “Remember when the Wii U only had 2 games that sold a million units? Well, now we have 3 of them!”

            Here’s hoping Wii U owners will find that game, SOON.

        • audi lover

          Rayman sold best on wii u just not great sales across the board, releasing in march like they were supposed to would have sold a mill easy with the game drought so that’s the shit marketing fault, i own 22games for wii u so at least sum people do buy outside of Nintendo franchise

        • MujuraNoKamen

          Why all the thumbs down, this is true. I don’t know as Rayman legends “flopped” on Wii U but I know it didn’t reach expectations and it least it, as you said “flopped less hard than on the other consoles”.
          Damn straight, even people who are Wii U fans appear to not buy any games, if you’ve read my previous comments then you may know I’m a keen (and rather worried) supporter of 3rd party games. I prefer Nintendo’s own games but there’s some great stuff out there and I want to see other devs have some success here, and if we let good games fail how can we expect Ubi, Square and Activision etc to bring big games further down the line like Destiny, AC, a new Rayman, Final Fantasy the list goes on.
          I know a lot of people say they can’t afford all the games they want and I hear that loud and clear but if you can spend ยฃ300 on Wii U day 1 (a risky buy) without a second thought then how come you can only buy 1 Nintendo game this year (Mario 3D)? especially since no one bought anything when Wii U launched – Nintendoland was bundled, ZombiU underperformed, AC3, and CoD didn’t do great despite being solid ports of big games that weren’t “old” at all. This brings me onto my next complaint; the “gimped port argument” I despise when devs cut corners on Wii U games, how can they expect it to sell if it’s half the product others are getting? A solid argument to be sure but they do this because it makes business sense they aren’t expecting big sales from Wii U so they can’t justify puling out all stops – I don’t like it either but maybe if games hadn’t flopped the first time round we’d have a bit more success from devs – No one bought CoD etc the first time round and the only reason BO2 didn’t get DLC was low the sales of the Wii U version so what’s your excuse for not getting it the first time round? it was a great port and a game we were all glad to see boost Wii U’s line-up and it went ignored. You buy fuck all for Wii U and complain there’s nothing to play!
          Count yourselves lucky for getting AC4, Batman and COD this year it’s probably the last you’ll get – not that anyone seemed to care anyway.

        • vGameOn

          I have 20 Wii U games. Feel like I’m doing my part.

      • Simon Stevens

        I love it when people do these accounts ๐Ÿ˜€ so funny, where’e reggie fils aime?, heck, were’s review beg usa? lol

        • LopsidedPasta

          … Rich gave the same amount of money he asked for to charity. Way to live under a rock

      • Nintedward

        Go drunk, your home….

        Ooops, it’s me who’s drunk! GUILTY!!!!!!!

      • Jacobc2693

        Its because of people like you that the gaming industry has a negative image. If you don’t get what the Wii U is about I suggest that you sit down with your children or grandchildren and play Nintendoland and New Super Mario bros and you’ll see what its all about, as a family system its a lot of fun and its something that you can really enjoy together. Your so focused on data and sales when you should just play the games instead of analysing them and that way you’ll really see what they’re all about. Also I have a Wii U before you start bitching, so I know what I’m talking about.

      • Andy

        Xbox one will easily hit 90 million, but I don’t think the Wii U will come close to 30 million. Only time will tell….

    • Marcell Wade

      Sorry, but I don’t see a future where home consoles are irrelevant.

      • Nintedward

        I do!

        They’re convenient and luxurious. People like luxurious things.
        The market may get bigger or smaller, but it will be here for a while. I can’t imagine the next gen just depending on the cloud.

        • Marcell Wade

          Totally agree about the cloud thing, it doesn’t seem like it will take off. but who knows.

    • Guest

      I don’t agree with anything he had to say. He has been beating the same drum since before PS3 and Xbox 360 that consoles will be irrelevant when instead he should be saying consoles as we know them may be different in 10 years. This guy is an Ass-clown that has been provin wrong more times than right and he just says shit to get people fired up and get more add revenue/money for his site. Shame such a respected site as Wii U Daily feels the need to post articles with with this clown in them.

    • leafsfan73

      Um, all the people who bought a Wii…..

      • LopsidedPasta

        Um… try again

    • GuardiansFan

      they are a dying breed but yet he reports higher lifetime sales for the ps4/xbox one than the ps3/xbox 360 has sold so far? Makes no sense.

      • LopsidedPasta

        The sales won’t be higher, but consoles in my opinion will become a dying breed.

    • Levi Johansen

      Nintendo has more than 4 million fans, more like a 100 million.

      Many owners are not buying games though, like me – I just don’t have the money right now.

      Once we get Mario Kart, Zelda U and Smash Bros – the Wii U will reach 50 million rather quickly, and then live on through the next generation, no doubt.

      EDIT: I predict 70-90 mill for Wii U in its lifetime.

  • BIG Franky

    I hate to agree with this guy, but I’ve been saying this for more than a year….console gaming is going the way of the Dodo… I wont be shocked if this generation of consoles is the last… at this point, we’ve reached a point where the law of diminishing returns has shown us that the graphics and performance of these machines wont really bring the improvement over the previous iteration that is worth investing for many people.

  • Graham Gillman

    OK. I bought one at launch.

  • Rugmouse

    Quite honestly, he has fair points in these remarks. The 30 million number for Wii U is assuming a pretty low run rate, but you can’t really just dream up a massive number just because…you do need consumer to begin actually purchasing the console. Personally, I actually liked the fire directed at Nintendo fans – people do seem to hate him enough that they might actually go buy a console just to prove him wrong. lol

    And the statement about consoles peaking? Well, the ‘Steam machines’ are definitely going to be blending lines in terms of what is a console, and what is PC gaming. I will be watching their development very closely, and I’m excited to see how they do. My secondary console could very well be a Steam Machine this generation.

  • Dj

    Good enough for me. Nintendo is my favorite out of the top three console developers. Microsoft has proven more than once that all they want is money. I think Sony is okay because I have a PS3 that I play a lot. Nintendo just needs to keep doing what they do.

  • SamusPrime

    I have a problem with him using the word “bitching”. Can’t we act professional?

  • Googs

    I bitch about your opinion and I bought a Wii U day one, maybe you should stop bitching yourself.

  • Logan Waltz

    The entire Chinese market just opened up, but sure. The market peaked b4 they became widely available to the large amount of countries that never had them.

    I already have my Wii u. Besides, who gives a damn about what this arrogant ass clown thinks?

  • crocodileman94

    Even 30 million is more than the GCN and slightly lower than N64.

    The PS4 and Xbone to beat Wii in sales? That’s just insane.

    • BIG Franky

      yeah, I agree that wont happen (PS4/XB1 selling more consoles than Wii).

  • Kenshin0011

    Wow, what brass to say that as when we have no idea what-so-ever how the PS4 or Xbone will fare…You actually think the difference between Wii U sales ad PS4/Xbone will be 70 million?

    Yeah right! I doubt any console this gen will pass 50 million

  • Erik

    I would think he just lost his professionalism and credibility when he said “bitching”. Nintendo will be Nintendo and that’s final and will NOT be selling to other companies (like that damn Motley Fool making a fool of himself saying that Nintendo should sell to Apple or Disney… dumba$#).

  • HypocritesRROD

    Micheal “the nintendo-hater” talks out of his ass again. This microsoft tool just can’t resist it. He can’t hide his hatred for nintendo.

  • Kenshin0011

    I agree that SOMEDAY consoles will go away because our smart devices and PC’s will be able to handle anything seamlessly, though I highly disagree that that day will come in 10 years.

    There’s more to it than the technology being available

  • WarioForever

    Am I the only one that thinks the Wii U IS the best console of this generation?

    I mean, PS1 had offered 3D graphics and CD, PS2 improved graphics and ability to watch films, PS3 blu-ray and apps and much more… but what is PS4 offering new? Better graphics? That’s it? And I don’t even have to say anything about XBone (total fail).

    So yes, Wii U is the best console of this generation, because it has almost everything new… (I would say a lot of things, but I’m tired now, it’s night in Europe.)

    BTW, PS4 selling more than a 100 million units, and xbox somewhere as well?
    Is he mad!?

    • Steve

      When you see people complaining because CoD Ghosts runs in 720 p instead of 1080p, you will realize that graphics are pretty much the deciding factor for many ps fans.

      • WarioForever

        Unfortunately, yes.
        Most people think they are gamers when they play COD, Battlefield, Counter Strike. Amaters.

    • John Andalora

      I disagree.
      In all honesty, what is new about the Wii U?
      Graphics are just slightly better than current gen, Wiimotes are still used, practically same design as Wii (just has no edges) and uses disc sizes that we now see as current gen.
      The only new thing is the GamePad, and honestly it just reminds me of the DS with the second screen. The idea is cool at first, but then gets tiring when all they do is use it for maps.

      Don’t get me wrong. I don’t need super powerful graphics or new controllers to love a console, and I don’t think that the Wii U is a bad console. However, I don’t think it’s that different from the Wii. I don’t think this year is going to give us extremely new things, but kind of start a transition back into the old days when consoles were meant for exclusive games.

      • gtosheex

        I think that the jump to HD is a lot more than “slightly” better. Especially compared to the jump from ps3 -ps4. And who really cares about what the console looks like? If it isn’t a big turd looking VCR (xbox) than i’m fine. And are you really talking about disc sizes? cmon now…

        • The Clockwork Being

          I find that the power button doesn’t look like a power button. The A on the controller seems like a weird one. The control sticks are to symmetrical in my opinion. The D-Pad is good but too perfect. The disc size isn’t good. The console looks like a console but not the kind of consoles consoles. Bottom line the Wii U isn’t that good. – John Andalora

          This is how he sounds.

        • John Andalora

          1) You compare the jump from Wii to Wii U. I compare by the other consoles.

          2) It’s confusing to the demographic of casual gamers that are trying to figure out the difference between the Wii and the Wii U. At least Ps3-PS4 are two distinct products.

          3) By disc size, I mean the memory it can store on it.

          • It would be nice if Wii U used blu rays…

          • Rinslowe

            My PS3 has had that covered for a few years now…
            And there’s still life in the old lady yet!

          • Rinslowe

            I think your original post didn’t really articulate that point of current gen to Wii U comparison clearly.
            It read more like a direct comparison with Wii… And apart from the “disk space” I think it kinda did…

          • John Andalora

            Sometimes it sounds better in my head than when I write it.

          • Rinslowe

            Tell me about it….

          • John Andalora

            From the people I know, it seems like a common thing.
            You understand what you mean rather clearly, but if you leave out a part you didn’t think of then it’s possible other people don’t quite understand it. So then you think you said it quite clearly, and then it might devolve into an argument about what they intended to say or what they really meant.
            Happens more often than I’d like to admit it does.

      • Rinslowe

        ” and uses disc sizes that we now see as current gen.”
        I had to chuckle a bit at that one, ha. 25GB Disks is a negative? And no-one has ruled out the possibility of dual layer in future…

        “However, I don’t think it’s that different from the Wii.”
        This made me full on lol, dude. How can you talk about power and then compare Wii to Wii U and claim they are similar! Similar in what way?
        PS360 both smoke the Wii on a purely technical level – then this in your own post on Wii U;
        “Graphics are just slightly better than current gen” , again similar in what way? (your Wii to Wii U reference)

        “Wiimotes are still used”
        How does that address the gamepad? And if you actually own a Wii U to label maps as tiring then ok, but personally I find for eg; Assassins Creed is “another experience” with every bit of information on the gamepad and a full display to enjoy the actual game. Deus Ex is game changing with that second screen. Have you tried it?
        Off TV Play may be common knowledge now but in application it’s still every bit a positive differentiation…

        “practically same design as Wii”


        Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to flame your comment, but apart from the consoles “Aesthetics”, I’m not seeing a whole lot of sense from it….

        • John Andalora

          1) If they can add a dual layer, why aren’t they?

          2) I mean in comparison to PS360 and Wii U. Not Wii to Wii U.

          Tell me what massive changes were made.

          3) I didn’t try AC3 or DE on the GamePad. Closest I got were ZombiU and W101. Thought it was interesting, but not quite my cup of tea.
          As for Wiimotes, I never said they address the GamePad, and I did address the GamePad. I just think that using the old controller is rather confusing and not very innovative.

          • Rinslowe

            1) If they can add a dual layer, why aren’t they?

            I don’t know? But asking the question doesn’t make it less of a possibility…
            Neither that 25GB’s is in any way a negative…

            2) I mean in comparison to PS360 and Wii U. Not Wii to Wii U.



            “Tell me what massive changes were made.”
            No, I think the onus is on you to explain the similarities, as this was your statement left un-explained really…
            I think that is a fair request.

            3) I didn’t try AC3 or DE on the GamePad. Closest I got were ZombiU and W101. Thought it was interesting, but not quite my cup of tea.
            As for Wiimotes, I never said they address the GamePad, and I did address the GamePad. I just think that using the old controller is rather confusing and not very innovative.

            This is a bit silly IMO. Again I don’t mean to offend you, but the fact that Wii U also utilises Wii Motes does not in any way lessen Wii Motes innovation in itself. Most would agree that having a choice of Wii Motes and the gamepad is pretty darn good already. The gamepad being innovative enough…

          • John Andalora

            1) No, 25 GB isn’t a negative. But if there’s massive room for potential that won’t harm you, I don’t see why one would maintain less for any reason.

            2) Okay. Here’s the similarities:
            First off, the eye is drawn to the explosion. Note that the only change we see is a few side flares and minor particle additions.
            Next, focus on the AC vent on the building on the far right. More detail is put into the PS3 version, while the Wii U version has this sort of glaze on it.
            Third (though It should’ve been second) the sky. Note that the sky has these light spots that seem 3D but are genuinely 2D (PS3- top right of tower, Wii U- far left in the middle). The Wii U has a slightly clearer detail of such, but the PS3 version has a much more subtle and light placement.
            Fourth, the banners. On the tower there are banners for the Wii U that the PS3 doesn’t have. Kudos.
            Finally, the lights. The PS3 lights are much brighter than the Wii U lights, but overall have a similar color. The lights on the high tower are more well defined in the Wii U, but not so much that they really stand out in greater detail.

            The diagnosis stems as this: The Wii U and PS3 have different ways of presenting the game, but the changes made are minor and really don’t present the game any better than the other. There are some things I think PS3 brings does better, and others that Wii U does that are better. But overall, none show any massive change or step over the other.

            3) I think the main issue is that the WiiMotes have lost their value. 8 years has sort of worn down on the excitement of it. Now it just seems to be used like any other remote or when playing Wii games. I think the innovation has sort of worn away now that Nintendo doesn’t try anything new with them for Wii U games.

          • Rinslowe

            No 1 is not a negative. Thats right…

            2: I don’t want to come across as either arrogant nor ignorant to your message. But the only way to effectively gauge Wii U’s improvements when looking at games are the exclusives. Reason being that ports have been proven to be handled by outsourced studios, with time constraints and limited budgets all the while working with code that has been opitmised on current gen hardware. Honestly they are not good indicators of visual or performance potential. As there are not too many games released today that can show a definite improvement in those areas I would like to come back to this discussion at a later date. During Kart, Bayo 2 and X…. From what I have seen, these games are employing features that current gen systems would have a hard time to emulate while holding a native 720p image and 60fps. Resolution and framerate being intricately linked to that overall measurement.
            I could go on a technical rant as to why for eg; Splinter Cell BL has some iffy textures in places or why the framerate is lowered during cutscenes, but the internet is full of explanations so have a look for yourself…
            In terms of the system, we may only see some moderate visual improvements to Wii U titles over current gen with more advanced effects and features, but visuals are not the entire story. I for one am highly impressed in just how balanced and efficient the Wii U is. How it achieves that extra performance, while never breaking a sweat (it literally never heats up and that fan is to any PC gamer, not even worthy of cooling my brow) all the while drawing a fraction of power in compared either of the current gen consoles. Performance in second generation Wii U titles are showing a marked improvement in the most important area of gameplay in terms of native resolution (720p – upscaled to 1080p) and framerates (solid 60fps or 30fps), specifically looking at Kart, Bayo 2 for 60fps and X no doubt at 30fps.
            However if I were to mention PS4 or Xb1 I don’t see that generational leap either, neither system achieving the level of visuals or performance (based on any of the titles shown to date) that PC gamer’s have enjoyed for at least and to be fair to their improvements (PS4 & XB1) over time – last 24 months. Therefore in that respect I think none of the three new consoles addresses the envelop and the only thing left IMO, was to look for the console with the greatest potential for differentiation.
            And of course the Gamepad….

            Wii motes have lost their value with you as an individual. I hardly think your opinion here is universal.
            Innovation worn away? Innovation on Kinect and digi wand of fairy dust you mean? lol.
            I totally disagree here…

          • John Andalora

            2) you told me to explain how they’re similar, and now you tell me that I need to compare exclusives?
            I might come back to this later, (as I have a musical to view for a class) but as of right now I think that the exclusives on Wii U could be played by other consoles. Things like ZombiU, WWHD and Pikmin 3 might not look the exact same, but I would argue that the higher processing power on the CPU and gpu of either other console would produce some thing extremely similar and could produce something better.
            Also, i don’t compare to games that haven’t come out yet (like X or Bayonetta) because it’s not even close to the final product and could be just a PC demo before they port it to Wii U.

            3) we might hve to agree to disagree on this.
            PS I hated Kinect and PS Move.

          • Rinslowe

            “2) you told me to explain how they’re similar, and now you tell me that I need to compare exclusives? ”

            Lol I agree it doesn’t sound very fair. But it is still a very valid point. Lets not change the goal posts. Have a look at what was written. I think after those exclusives are released there will be more to add to the topic. Like I said now there really isn’t much in the first year to show much improvements…
            You may not want to compare games that have not yet released and fair enough, which is why I asked to wait until they were…

            I don’t think we are strictly disagreeing here, if you read my post carefully I actually mention some things parallel to your comment, just with a few extra things to consider….

            “could be just a PC demo before they port it to Wii U”
            Could be, but to say that really doesn’t say a lot about your knowledge of Nintendo. Firstly only one of those games is a third party title (Bayo 2). Kart and X are both first party (Monolith Soft being owned by Nintendo for eg.) and I’m certain they would not allow an exclusive title which they have control of to release misleading promotional material. They don’t even bother with bullshots to hide lack of AA in their own material because they have a belief about the game in motion….
            Both Kart and Bayo 2 have been playable in Demo form, from actual Wii U hardware since E3. Those units are now making their rounds to kiosks everywhere…

            So, I think not likely…

          • John Andalora

            “In demo form.”

            I think that’s my issue. We’ve seen “demo forms” of other games that turned out to be nothing like the actual end product.

            Also, what exactly do you make video games on? If I were a developer, I certainly wouldn’t make them with a console. I would use computers.
            Now, that isn’t to say that Nintendo is trying to scam us by making games look better than what they’re going to be. However, I’d rather use games that are made now (like you said) and not infer all we can from a 5 minute demo, but instead a 10 hour game.

            Now, as for the claim, I do agree with you that all three consoles don’t necessarily match the scope of absolute perfection one would expect from a big gaming computer, but I don’t think that then the next step is to look at potential differentiation. Whether you are implying to “biggest change between last gen and current gen” or “biggest difference from other consoles,” I don’t agree with either.
            Just because a console makes a massive leap from the past into the present doesn’t mean it’s inherently perfect. We saw a massive graphics leap from PS2 to PS3, but that didn’t make the PS3 good by itself. It still required much more before the PS3 was considered to be good. I also don’t think that just because a console doesn’t make a massive leap in differentiation from the last generation that it is “bad.” It’s sticking to what works, going with the phrase “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”
            As for the second possibility, that doesn’t do it much better, since people can just do the same thing and then have the best of both worlds. Take PS Vita and PS4 for instance. It’s pretty much Remote Play (and pretty much ALL remote play, which rather bothers me because I wanted to take my PS4 games on the go in the palm of my hand but now I can’t and I’m REALLY ANNOYED ABOUT IT!), like what the Wii U can do. While being a very expensive way to go, you get the rather big graphics of and part of the second screen functionality on one, and just the second screen on the other.

            I intend to clarify something now: I’m not saying that the PS Vita is exactly like the GamePad. But, the Vita does have functionalities that we see with the Wii U while maintaining that sort of “standard controller” heavy aspect we used to see Nintendo do a lot of in the old days.

            So, I don’t agree that the way to look at is differentiation.
            I certainly wouldn’t focus on graphical power as the standard of the best console, but just because something’s different I wouldn’t consider that “good” or “bad.”

          • Rinslowe

            “I think that’s my issue. We’ve seen “demo forms” of other games that turned out to be nothing like the actual end product.”

            Name 3 Nintendo games that fit that category and I’ll at least drop it until those up-coming games are released…

            “Now, that isn’t to say that Nintendo is trying to scam us by making games look better than what they’re going to be. However, I’d rather use games that are made now (like you said) and not infer all we can from a 5 minute demo, but instead a 10 hour game.”

            This is a poor argument. games are made on PC’s but that does not in any way imply anything else other than games are made on PC’s…

            No-one is talking perfection! Where did that comment come from?
            And those 5 minute demos won’t change. Trust me or not. It’s your choice!

            Differentiation at cost, should have been my literal meaning and it was but I failed to articulate that clearly. ๐Ÿ™‚ Now hopefully that is clear. PS4 and Vita should provide a near exact experience as Wii U + Gamepad for certain games, but not all…
            All things considered, I quite like how that is shaping up so far for Sony.

            From what was shown recently on IGN, the Vita – PS4 connection works fine with NFS Rivals, but quite poorly in terms of latency with BF4.
            Seeing as though the gamepad & Wii U have specialised hardware specifically to deal with the issues associated with latency, if the PS4 – Vita issue is not fixed later on, then FPS’s will suffer. And people will lose interest rather quickly. Not to forget the whole value factor also being a potential obstacle.



          • John Andalora

            I concede.

            I really can’t counter the arguments you made here.

          • Rinslowe

            You’re a better man than I John…

          • John Andalora

            I just know when I’m licked.

            I’m also a grumpy man who wishes ever so much he could play his PS4, but can’t because it didn’t work so now he has to send it back to Sony and hopefully get a new one in 2 weeks minimum.

          • Rinslowe

            Yeah, if I had a dollar for every time a component turned up faulty or completely different than what I had ordered….

            Well, TBH I’d probably only have about $5, but still, each time a complete headache…

      • WarioForever

        Wii U is the best image of consoles from the golden age of gaming (NES, SNES). Wii U is offering many unique things, but the developers just need to use them.
        To tell the truth, we have just seen 50% of what Wii U can do, and PS4 showed 75% already.
        Just saying…

    • jdiaz1994

      I don’t think people can determine yet if the Wii U is the best. We can however point out that it is the one with the most to offer. Especially with the amount of new games that are going to come out, backwards compatibility, and the gamepad.

  • Simon Stevens

    Most Nintendo fans bought the 3DS, most people bought a Nintendo handheld for their fix next to their ps3 and 360, it’s a trend that probably won’t go away as long as Nintendo still manufacturer them, unfortunate but true for the home brand of console, I think his vision for the future is a disaster if it happens, yes it would be more convenient but it would also be expensive, probably requiring consistent upgrades every 2-3 years, I think he was very kind and unrealistic towards the ps4 and xbox one, you would be shocked to think how many people bought these consoles purely as a media hub/ cheap blu ray player, that audience isn’t upgrading or buying for that purpose now with smart tvs and smart box’s, you could buy a 40 inch lgsamsung smart tv for the price of a ps4 in the UK, casual users may just chose that over a new console, I see the Wii U at around 35-40 million right now and the other guys around 60 milion plus each if the gaming community grows.

    I still think Pac is an egotistical twat though so I take no value in what he says but on a plus note, he’s a character you love to hate and he makes you laugh lol so I wouldn’t do without my weekly edition of Pach attack!.

    • darkcreap

      I think any long term numbers are completely unrealistic. Just see what happened with the 3DS and the Vita. I mean, I do not expect the WiiU to make a comeback like the 3DS. The 3DS only had one competitor and that competitor screwed it up. The WiiU has 2 fierce competitors, so it is gonna have a harder time.

      Saying today that WiiU is gonna get 30, 40, 50 or 60 million is just guessing. It is clear it will not outsell the Wii, but we are talking about predictions with an anticipation of… 5 years?

      I hope it gets much better than it is now. I have tried Call of Duty Ghosts today with a relative of mine. I hardly ever played shooters in consoles, but the fact that the WiiU users the Wii Remote makes it much easier. I also tried (alone, unfortunately) the local multiplayer. To play a shooter in a console with independent screens… Man. That is priceless. Priceless!!!!!

      If only the person with the gamepad could also play with a Wiimote. It would be a bit of a mess, I guess, but it would be awesome. I mean, for multiplayer. For one player you can play on the gamepad screen.

      EDIT: Actually it is possible: two people can game, one with the gamepad screen, the other with the TV and both with WiiMotes. Incredible :D.

      • Simon Stevens

        I think it all depends on what road they take and if they can come up with something people feel they can’t do without, I’m sure pricing will make a difference too, maybe try to hit the 199 mark in the uk and the 249 mark in the us, I think Vita sales will pick up with the Vita tv coming out because it’s a nice entry into the world of playstation at a cheap price point, 3ds will keep selling because people keep making games for it, Wii U can do better if they get the third party exclusives on a regular basis boasting titles nobody else can have.

        Right now, less power doesn’t have to be viewed as a bad thing as 3rd parties can save millions developing on the Wii U and still have a visually stunning HD game, it’s all about how they market it to not only consumers but developers as well, they’ve lost the casual crowd so there only choice really is to draw in the crowds who weren’t interested in the original Wii.

        I heard cod plays well on the Wii U, goodness knows why they wouldn’t advertise the Wii remote functions like that, it could be really attractive to fps fans.

        • darkcreap

          Actually, I just checked it: You can have two players one playing with the WiiU gamepad screen, the other with the TV and both with WiiMotes. Awesome!!!

  • farrellbr


    • jjbredesen

      Nintendo started making games and consoles, look what sony and mircrosoft did, Nintendo made a more powerful system, look what s and m did Nintendo started to use motion controls, look what M and S did. Nintendo started to use dual screen controller and stuff, look what M and S are doing.

      Just saying, Nintendo are the originals and i dont think the gaming industry whould be the same without them. Sony and Microsoft are great companies, but even the biggest fanboy must admit that they have copied Nintendo. There is no argument against it. Fact.

      • darkcreap

        Actually, Nintendo wasn’t the first console maker in History. See Atari, for instance. A different thing is that they were the first after the game crash of 1983.

        Apart from that, I agree. Nothing really new from Sony and Microsoft in general terms. Nevertheless, they have their innovations. For them we should give them credit.

        EDIT: Nevertheless, it should also be mentioned that Nintendo some times copies things from them.

        • Matteo Ferrazzi

          name one thing nintendo have copied from microsoft/sony.

          • darkcreap

            WiiU Pro controller has been said to be surprisingly similar to Xbox360 controller. If you see them, they are quite similar.

            The classic controller pro reminds a bit of dual shock (a bit). Also, Nintendo didn’t incorporate double shoulder buttons (L1/L2/R1/R2 ->L/R/ZL/ZR), it was Sony with the Dual Shock.

            Of course, you will notice that those models I talk about were inspired by previous Nintendo controllers in some way.

            It could be argued, of course, who brings the biggest innovations to the table. My personal feeling is that it is Nintendo, but they also imitate their competitors in some way.

            If you watch the following controllers: SNES gamepad, GameCube pad, DualShock, Xbox controller, Wii Classic controller pro, WiiU gamepad and WiiU pro controller, you will see that each of them actually is inspired, in some way or another, on the previous ones. So all three are copying a little bit the others in some way.

            Regarding motion controls, yes, Nintendo set the trend and Sony and Microsoft copied. Well, Microsoft was way more original by implementing something that didn’t require you to hold a device on your hand.

          • Rinslowe

            “WiiU Pro controller has been said to be surprisingly similar to Xbox360 controller. If you see them, they are quite similar.”

            Similar in look. But I like the heft of the 360 controller and placement of the sticks. But maybe that last one due to familiarity over the years…

          • Matteo Ferrazzi

            the xbox 360 controller invented nothing.
            in chronological order:
            shoulder buttons? snes.
            two sets of shoulder buttons? playstation.
            analog stick? n64.
            two analog sticks? playstation [note how the playstation basically doubled nintendo inventions, I wouldn’t count that as being ‘original’ but w/e]
            offset analog sticks? gamecube.
            the wii u pro doesn’t even have offset analog sticks, so it’s closer to a dual shock if anything.

          • darkcreap

            The play station controller, in 1994, incorporated a pair of handles at the sides, while the N64 got them in 1996. Almost all later controllers have them in some way or another. You get a better grip on the controls.

            Double shoulder buttons are, I agree with you, a minor innovation in the sense that they bring just more buttons to the table. Dual joysticks are more than just “multiplying by 2”. They allow a dynamic camera control in 3D games and in shooters, among others, that you cannot have with just one joystick.

            Oh, and we forgot another major innovation: the D-pad. Invented by Nintendo for the NES and replicated by other console manufactures (to some extent). Sony and Microsoft haver their own versions (I think Nintendo has a patent on it). It might seem a silly thing, but it was a major innovation compared to previous controllers with those big Arcade-like joysticks.

          • Matteo Ferrazzi

            yeah sorry I wasn’t entirely thorough. as for the patent on the d-pad, it’s expiring soon which thank god. all the d-pads on non-nintendo consoles suck.

        • jjbredesen

          Yeah, true i am awere of atari, my uncle owns a 2600. Sony and Mircosoft , have made som innovations, but not as much as nintendo.

  • QuizmasterBos

    I don’t think you need to be an industry analyst to say: “If you like it so much, why don’t you buy it?!”

    Also, the PS4 AND the Xbox One will do better than the Wii did during its lifetime? Does he even know what he’s talking about? The reason the DS, Wii, PS1 and PS2 sold over 100 million units is because they catered to more than just the general gaming audience.

    Both PS4 and Xbox One are built around the hardcore gaming community. No way the older generation that bought Wiis and DS’s are going to buy either of these consoles.

    • WarioForever

      “Both PS4 and Xbox One are built around the hardcore gaming community. No way the older generation that bought Wiis and DS’s are going to buy either of these consoles.”

      Well yes, but just to say, the real gamers are the ones from the very begining, from the 80’s and 90’s, and that is Nintendo.

      But I don’t expect from you to believe it.
      (little off-topic?)

      • QuizmasterBos

        I think anybody can be a real gamer, regardless of when they started playing them. I was referring to the many grandparents/parents that bought a Wii to play Wii Sports/Fit/Play at home. None of those will buy a PS4or Xbox One, it’s not made for them.

        “But I don’t expect from you to believe it.
        (little off-topic?)”

        I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean. Could you elaborate? You may go offtopic, I don’t mind.

        • WarioForever

          Never mind. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • QuizmasterBos

            But now you’ve piqued my curiosity. Am I supposed to live with this uncertainty forever? Always unsure what that one comment was about at the end?

  • Proud Borracho Latino

    Who care’s what analyst think. Right or wrong their opinion is one of the most irrelevant ones to the average consumer. He’s not as important as he thinks.

  • ACE

    I agree with this guy a 100% Nintendo fans are like fucking talivans The wonferful 101 new ip Flop , pikmin 3 another flop and always blame games like COD and Nintendo corporation is full of shit too with the online services (sorry I am not English speaker) and I have a Wii U

  • WarioForever

    Moblie phones taking gaming industry? That can be true, but it’s crazy! You think that Apple has great products? Not anymore. They are releasing same sh$& in different package. And I would never let mobiles to take the real games.

    • jjbredesen

      Agreed, Iphones and Mac’s are shit, you get very little for your money, and the system is so closed it makes me clostrophobic. You cant do anything without Itunes and shit.

  • ScrewAttack

    Yeah okay, because suddenly me and every other console vet out their is gonna wake up and go “I hate consoles, tablets are teh coolz” one day. Fuck that. I could just buy a damn gaming rig. I buy gaming consoles for a reason.

    All these god damn morons talking about tablet and general mobile gaming as if it’s some magical experience. The games all look and play like shit!

    • Joe Fraley

      As other people have pointed out above, the idea is that mobile technology is advancing so rapidly, and is matched by such incredible demand, that mobile devices will soon outperform or at least equal what we currently expect from consoles.

      • ScrewAttack

        But there’s also a reason I’ve never picked up a 3DS.

        I LIKE playing my console in my home. When I’m out, I’m out. I wouldn’t be walking down the street or sitting a restaurant, or slacking in uni just playing video games.

        EDIT: I should add that I get what you’re saying Joe, just I’m pretty confident there’s a massive chunk of console gamers that are like me and Simon here. Gaming on the go is very much the spoilt generation’s (ie the iphone at 10) thing, and really shouldn’t be encouraged.

        • Simon Stevens

          Very true, I think it’s quite rude when people are on their phones when your having a conversation with them, I wouldn’t play games outside of the house either, when I’m at home I play on consoles

        • Joe Fraley

          You’d play then at home if you wanted: plugged into your tv just like a console. The point is you’d be buying a tablet or phone already for other reasons, and the technological advances over the next decade will make THAT device, that you already bought for texting and schoolwork, a serious gaming console.

          • ScrewAttack

            Call me skeptical. It took this long to convince me smartphones were a…uh, scuse me…smart move. I could easily just buy a gaming rig for the same reason, since portable computing isn’t something that interests me beyond my PDA-like phone.

            I just like my old school consoles too much. Maybe one day Sony and Nintendo will stop releasing handhelds and consoles and just start doing a combined system that does other stuff ala tablet, but…I don’t know. Can’t say it’s an idea that makes me swoon. We’ll see. Consoles allow more expansion than mobile devices, thanks to them being immobile. Could be the next generation of consoles are all virtual reality based via Occulus rift-style headsets. Fairly certain tablets won’t be competing with that.

          • Joe Fraley

            Yeah, I think that’s right. The same reason that we should expect mobile technology as we know it to usurp consoles as we know them is exactly the same reason that we should expect something else to have replaced mobile technology as we know it by then. The advance curve on this stuff is just unfathomable.

            I work in a media archaeology lab and I don’t even recognize some of these things as computers – and they’re only 20 years old. 256MB was going for $3,000 in ’84, and I just bought 1TB for under $100. The point is: I think it’s fair to expect the console system market to be reinvented, or replaced, by something very radical in the not-distant future. But we should all be a little skeptical about any predictions on how the market looks in a decade. The engine on this thing is set to warp.

  • ETeach

    Over the years I’ve learned every single thing Patcher says ends up being wrong, so… why are we still seeing him in headlines?

    • Yousif Alromaithi

      Because he is dumb.

    • Steve

      So that we know what will not happen in the near future. Simple as that. Lol

    • Rinslowe

      lite entertainment….

      I heard some people have made quite a success on doing the complete opposite of what he say’s, lol.

  • Mario

    Wow! For once, he actually says something nice about the WiiU! Sort of.

    • Simon Stevens

      At least he’s promoting it and daring mentalist fanboys to go out and buy it lol

    • JuleyJules

      I never pay attention to him except with one thing he said this time – fans of Nintendo who are waiting for big games in 2014 need to do as he says now – go buy one! If they do sales will go up and developers will take notice. Otherwise we keep hearing the doom and gloom bs!

  • Yousif Alromaithi

    100 million ps4 lol that is impossible. I expected better on PS4. Same goes for Xbox One.

  • Joey

    100 million PS4 yeah right, i think not

  • Kidicarus1

    Well either way than I think Nintendo will do even better, because one thing is for sure, and that is Nintendo is AMAZING at making handhelds. They always say the handhelds will fail, and look what happens EVERY TIME. They succeed.

    • Simon Stevens

      gb, gbc, gba, ds, 3ds, all designed to give the middle finger to many

  • Dรกibhรญ wotshissurname

    I have a Wii U now, but the obvious reason is that there is an event being broadcasted worldwide called RECESSION. We don’t have enough MONEY to buy a Wii U.

    • Fred

      That won’t work if the Xbone and pos4 outsell the Wii U

      • Dรกibhรญ wotshissurname


  • Leo

    What kind of respectable professional use words like “bitching” in business?

    • Fuzunga

      You’re implying he’s a respectable professional.

      • Mj78


      • Leo

        He is supposed to be, right?

    • Peter Lythaby

      Gordon Gekko might

  • Mj78

    Nintendo will never die, that is for sure. They have the handheld market sewn up for many years. I kind of agree with pachter that the console market may have hit a peak and the days of consoles may dwindle after this next generation of consoles. I think one problem is that, even nintendo fans don’t see wii u as being a necessary purchase. Wii u could and will do even better if nintendo fans start buying the third party games that are actually good. Need for Speed, Rayman, zombi u etc are brilliant games but the majority just did not buy the games so those third parties have backed away.

  • Fuzunga

    I’d love to punch this guy in the face. He’s an idiot, and never right about anything he says. I wish people would stop encouraging him by reporting on every dumb thing that comes out of his mouth. Honestly, I think any one of us commenters could do a better job as an analyst than he does. Can’t believe he gets paid for that nonsense.

    Consoles are becoming irrelevant? Then why is Valve, the biggest PC game distributor, gearing up to release consoles? Does he live on Mars?

    • Mj78

      I agree that saying consoles are becoming irrelevant is over the top, but consoles are now almost becoming like PC’S, so I can understand that, just in time, it will be easier to have a top range PC and update it when necessary. Overall, it is fair to say pachter is a prat, but wii u is unlikely to sell more than thirty million in all honesty.

  • jjbredesen

    I agree with him, but the Wii U sales will be larger, and no one dare tell me to, put my money where my mouth is! What is this guys email, i feel like writing a fucking essay!

    I will not repeat myself because i have already said why the Wii U will sell more in previous comments.

    The end! If i hear one more rich ass motherfucking so called gaming person say something as stupid as this again, be prepared comment section, be prepered!

    • Mj78

      Whoooah! Love your passion but calm down. If you enjoy your wii u then what pachter, or anyone else says is irrelevant. Gaming is about enjoying gaming, so whether it be wii u, ps or xbone, enjoy the gaming!!!!!! Still loving the passion though.

      • jjbredesen

        Thanks i guess? Yeah i do get a bit carried away sometimes. I dont own a Wii U, but will buy one the 21.NOV. I listen to people and dont have a problem with opinions, but when patcher opens his mouth and says something as stupid as what he just said, i simply feel sorry for him.

        Again i will not wright a essey about why the wii u will sell more than he claims, because i already have.

        The Wii U will sell a lot more when MK8, Smash Bros and Zelda hits.

        The 3DS did not sell when it launched and people like patcher where saying that it would fail, but then the games came and now it sells

  • tlopuse

    Yo!!!! Mr. Patcher, listen, I can talk n complain about your comments any time buddy; why??? I owned my Wii U a year ago, and I’m enjoyed playing my Wii U better than my PS3. If you were another person instead of talking bad about Nintendo, talk about the benefit of playing your system anywhere without tv. Why you don’t criticize all these companies for don’t help Nintendo to be sucess and do new original games for the system. You are a smart guy and maybe you can do me a favor, stop talking shit about Nintendo the only company who know how to make games. You are a video game racist……

    • Rinslowe

      “You are a video game racist……”

      Lol…. Can’t say I’ve ever heard that one before…


    That Patcher, he’s not wrong.

  • Jacob D. Taylor

    Pachter’s a moronic ass… period. Hes NEVER been right, ever, about anything. That and hes always anti Nintendo

  • The last Chozo

    Patcher has been wrong before and in my honest opinion has a bigger mouth than he deserves. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about as well as he thinks. I’m not saying the Wii U will sell billions but take patchers words with a good amount of salt.

  • Ivรกn Enrique Garcerant Tafur

    Nintendo always says that their consoles have a five years life cycle. So Pachter is saying that Nintendo will sells around of six millions each year. A little too much judging for the currents trends. Xbone and PS4 both will have a full ten year cycle so they will sell about ten millions by year; way too much in a world dominated by iPads and smartphones.

  • Einar

    I got a Wii U at launch so I don’t give a fuck what Pachter has to say. I don’t know about you guys, but the way he is changing his opinions around all the time makes me sick.

    At one point he thinks the Wii U is going to fail horribly, then again a week or two later he says it’s going to do fine, then fail horribly, and then it’s fine again.. *sigh*…

    • NkoSekirei

      i think no one does give a rats @$$ about pachter only his loyal wii u haters/trolls worship him

  • Earthworm Jim

    I like this guy. I made a similar comment about the Wii U MONTHS ago. If you want a Wii U, buy one now, or run the risk of never getting the opportunity. “I will buy one when…” “I will buy one if…”, it’s all BS. Buy one, show Nintendo that you support them. Show 3rd part developers that people want to play games on Nintendo consoles, then we will be given great content for years to come. If you keep waiting on EA(yuck) to support the console before you buy it, then chances are they will never know they should be supporting it. Same with Ubisoft and others. They dropped the price for you. They bundled it with Zelda or Mario or Skylanders, for Miyamoto’s sake.

    • Earthworm Jim

      And, chances are, Nintendo will be the last company still making gaming consoles when all is said and done. Because they aren’t giving you the content already available on your computer. I.E. tons of apps that you can get on millions of other devices. They give you something you won’t experience on your Smart TV, computer, tablet, phone, X1 or PS4. They will still be trying to make their console give you what nothing else can, not trying to make it do the sum total of what the 5 other devices in your house already do.
      Again, anything I say is my opinion and not proven fact. Don’t get mad if you disagree…

      • Ivรกn Enrique Garcerant Tafur

        True innovation: the sell point of the original iPad ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Just look how much 3DS sells, then think again. Wii U is a turbo version design of the same thing. There’s no reason why it wouldn’t win.

  • Gregg

    Day one BITCHER. Love my WiiU, and all my consoles, actually. THANKS.

  • Super Buu

    Consoles a dying breed yet he predicts the PS4 and Xbox One to sell the same amount as the PS1 and Wii ? Why do stupid people get to be the most popular ones.

  • Albert Lucero Jr

    Does this guy ever shut up? Did Iwata or Miyamoto not give him an autograph or did they take his lunch

    • JAYCEE989

      all the above?

  • Alexander Kleinwechter

    Micheal pachter is so incorrect with the sales, really 120 million ps4, i really doubt it, also with the xbox one selling 90 miilion units is ridicolous!

    • Agent721

      He’s certifiably nuts. With Ipads soon to become like consoles and with cell phones constantly upgrading, gaming as a whole will continue to surge as games slowly transition over to other gaming medium, but console gaming’s growth will either level off or grow very slowly. Our games won’t disappear, we will simply be enjoying them more away from the consoles. Japan is the perfect example.

    • Michael DeVore

      Not really that ridiculous. Historically consoles add about 50 million systems a generation. Just over 200 Million for the PS2, XBox, and GC. 260 for Wii, PS3, and 360. If anything he’s at least keeping the numbers within the bounds of his analysis that there won’t be any more additional consoles added. If anything he’s estimating a serious contraction in the market with only 240 for PS4, Wii U, and Xbone. Myself I’d estimate 300 total including all consoles released this next generation, like the Steam Machine, or any other unknowns.

      Putting exact unit sales on any individual system is premature. Sales can start bad and pick up, or start great and tank. Like the 3DS, and 3D TV respectively.

      • Alexander Kleinwechter

        Really, there is no way that all consoles combined are gonna sell 300 million, not even last gen did. I would estimate the total of sales of ps4 around 50-60 million during its lifecycle, and much less with the xbox. Im unsure how the wii u will sell actually, because they could sell millions because of zelda. We have to find out!

        • Michael DeVore

          Not even last gen did it so it can’t happen? Lets enlighten you with basic math shall we.

          Gen 1 – 61M – NES
          Gen 2 – 78M – SNES, GEN
          GEN 3 – 146M – N64, PS, SAT
          GEN 4 – 212M – DC, GC, PS2, XB
          GEN 5 – 259M – PS3, WII, 360

          Over the years the average increase is about 50 Million units. You might be able to deceive yourself with the logic that. It hasn’t happened before so it can’t happen now.

          I can honestly say with 97% confidence that
          The number of units sold in a console generation equals
          52.963M * The Generation – 7.143M

          Generational sales follow a pretty solid trend line.

          • Alexander Kleinwechter

            No offense but that is preatty much the most dumbest reason for that topic, cmon man. Its not a trend and for that matter there is so much more then just numbers. Its all about knowledge people have about these consoles, and how much money people have. The console market is not the most recognisible anymore. Just because the previous gen followed a pattern doesnt at all mean this will follow it. It a redicilous statement. Numbers in this matter from previous gen can only calculate how many fans each platform has.

          • Michael DeVore

            Offense taken, the dumbest reason to believe something can’t happen is because it’s never happened before. In spite of the fact that each generation has always toppled the previous one. If your logic held any water Gen 2 wouldn’t have out sold Gen 1, and so on, and so forth. You need more than a gut feeling to say it won’t continue following the trend. Frankly people have been saying that the “console market is not the most recognizable anymore” since the NES. Each generation is doomed, until it isn’t.

            It is a solid trend that has continued on since the Atari 2600, but finding numbers for all of its competitors is a bit more taxing.

            If it was about the amount of knowledge people had, or the money they have to spend then the recession of 1990, 2001, or 2003 would have had a noticeable effect on the market, and new contenders would never succeed.

            The only thing that has shown any noticeable change is how people buy games, and consoles are just as much about digital purchases as anything these days.

          • Alexander Kleinwechter

            In your logic thats like saying that you win on lotto next time just because you won the last 2. Last gen was such a huge success just of the games. I think people dont know shit about ps4 or xbox one, and its not a freaking trend. I think you dont know how much things they are going on in each generation of consoles. Do you really think just because the previous gen did better every time for gen to gen then you think its like this gen too. I strongly doubt it. There are a billion reasons why people dont want this gen of consoles!

  • Agent721

    He said the same thing about the last generation. He predicted it would shrink as compared to the PS2 generation. Pray tell what changed reality from his prediction?

    The mother fucking Wii and its success, which helped propel motion gaming, which eventually was adopted by the 360 and helped their sales via the Kinnect. Without the kinect, the 360 does not sale the way it does over the past two years. No way…those 360 sales were mostly replacements and families coming on board who have felt left behind by the Wii’s dirth of games latter in its life.

    What Mr. Pachter misses out though is that if you account the number of 360s sold that were replacements (I’ve gone through 3 myself), I’m not so sure this past gen truly outsells the PS2 gen. Without replacement consoles, the 360s actual sell in is much less than reported and the overall generation goes down. In the end, I don’t know a single 360 owner that did not have the Red Ring of Death. And I would add, this gen was milked to the very end, resulting in an extra year or two of sales, because the recession hit. No one in their right mind is going to launch a brand new console in the midst of the “great recession”. This served to also artificially increase sales.

    Console sales peaked last gen, but were masked by the Red Ring of Death and the obsessed gamers who can’t go a day without playing Halo or COD, who went out and replaced their consoles. If someone actually took note of 360s ACTUALLY WORKING, the number is much less than the 80-90 million reported. And if you dig throught MSFT income statement, you actually realize that Xbox Live is LOSING MONEY, as is the entire 360 division, with profits turned in due to licensing fees and not games sold. Sony is the exact same by the way, with zero profit across any division. I’m not hating on them, I’m stating the facts…I own all consoles, Wii U included (which I love).

    The only people who listen to Pachter are non-professional investors. The rest of us know better.

    • Simon Stevens

      Then there is the same consumers who bought the xbox 360 slim as an upgrade because they were scared of the red ring of death happening to there third consoles, not even taking into account the banned consoles.

    • Rinslowe

      I can be the first person, that you have heard of that didn’t suffer a RROD with 360…
      All though my financee at the time, did end up throwing it in the swimming pool. Suffice to say, she didn’t last long, lol

      Nah, just kidding she’s still around. But the console not so much. The replacement was a slim version with Halo 4… Still a win….

      Interesting point you made there, I totally agree.

  • Falcoxcalibur

    I own a Wii U so I bitch all I want ;-P

    • Simon Stevens

      The Wii U sucks ass, it’s okay I can say it, I own it ๐Ÿ˜‰ *jokes* love my Wii U

  • JAYCEE989


    • Simon Stevens

      ass and titties ass and titties ass and titties and big booty bitches ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Rinslowe

        Don Jon – Stevens?

  • Tecpedz94

    I hate this guy so much… WHO ARE YOUU!!!!!!

    • jdiaz1994

      He ain’t really relevant. He predicted the 3ds would be a total failure.

  • jdiaz1994

    Well considering how there are probably going to be a lot of problems with the first batches of PS4s and Xbox Ones that will require people to buy new ones in order to replace the old broken ones (Hopefully this doesn’t happen…again) sales should be expected to be high. I’m pretty sure the Wii U will pick up specially since #3D world looks to be the only good game coming out this holiday season for any console.

  • In ways, Pachter has a point. Some die hard Nintendo fans i know haven’t even bought the console, yet they hate on Pachter’s opinions. Though i think most of his opinions are utter shite, I think what he’s saying here has certain relevance. If you’re a Nintendo fan and you hate Pachter JUST because of his predictions of the Wii U, Go buy one and prove him wrong.

  • InterTreble

    I’ve got a Wii U and still think Patcher is a Nintendo hater. Better, an idiot.

  • Tino S

    I just got a Wii U, and I love it, but I have no illusions about it being commercially successful. And why are people bitching, if anything Pachter is (as I see it) a little too optimistic about how the Wii U will do. I’ll be happy if it can even break 20 million. As far as I see it though, the Wii U is Nintendo’s second GameCube… it’s okay though, I liked the GameCube, Nintendo made great games for it, commercially though it wasn’t working for them, that shouldn’t upset those that can appreciate what Nintendo has to offer.

    • NkoSekirei

      ignore pachter hes a moron

  • I am Error.

    I’d often like to put something where Patcher’s mouth is. But it’s his own foot and I have no control over it.

    I have a Wii U and have since launch day.
    Same with my 3DS XL.
    I’m a regular eShop customer and add games to my physical library every month or so.

    Sadly, this will not shut up Mr. P.

    • I am Error.


      Mr. Patcher, no credible journalist should ever use the word ‘bitching’.
      Shame on you.
      Then again, we knew you weren’t credible anyway.
      So no surprise.

  • Hipster Victor

    This guy predicts stuff very bluntly, but i guess he’s right about the fading console buissness

    • C4

      Fading? I think he said it has reached a peak. PS2 gen sold around 200, this gen around 250 millions in total and then he projected that 250 on sales of Wii U, PS4 and Xbox One.

      That’s at least the part that makes sense, except his projections.

      The “may not be relevant” part sounds like pure speculation to me and should have been ‘may or may not be’ IMHO ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Hipster Victor

        Lol agreed

  • Matteo Ferrazzi

    I think the Wii U is shaping up to be a worse console than the gamecube.
    in terms of sales, it will do as badly.
    but in terms of software, that’s where it really hurts. look at all the incredible, groundbreaking titles the gamecube had. metroid prime. resident evil 4. wind waker.
    now the wii u’s hopes this holiday season rest partially on what? a remake of wind waker. is there anything new the wii u is poised to offer in the future?
    donkey kong looks identical to the wii game. same for pikmin 3. mario kart 8 embodies that laziness in its title, as does the upcoming super smash bros.
    I’m not afraid that the wii u will sell poorly. i’m afraid that nintendo is becoming risk averse, on a platform that so desperately needs risk.

    • C4

      We will see ๐Ÿ™‚ . MK8 looks like a “true” Wii U development for me, unlike the others which look like Wii+ (IIRC Pikmin developers confirmed it started as a Wii project) – I really hope they have some larger games that will attract to a broader audience. But a game like Metroid Prime, Mario Galaxy or Zelda can easily take 2 – 3 years to develop. I guess it’s more an investment then a risk, especially when everything on 3DS sells 100.000s and is easier to develop, so they had games like Luigi’s Mansion 2, Mario & Luigi, Zelda and others on 3DS…

    • Risk like with the wonderful 101? A lovely and unique game that almost nobody bought. Paid for by Nintendo and they own the IP. Nintendo do need to get their big name games out fast, they should have in the first year. That means mario kart and the rest. Yes it’s not new stuff but unfortunately that’s the stuff that will make people buy the console.

      The Wii U will out sell the gamecube… even this guys estimate of 30 million is higher than the gamecube.

  • starwars360

    Sorry Pachter, you sound like old pant troll. No one cares about you. I am huge fans of Nintendo and Microsoft consoles and loved them. I don’t care again if you still think Wii U is shitty. Just get a life old pricker and stop bashed on console that got low sales moment but Wii U sales much better now!!! Quit your crying. Players who are not fans of Nintendo also dislike your complaints because it is unfair to players who actually enjoy whoever consoles owned and hell huge fun with it.

    I guess you stuck with business and glue asses and complaints over and over. Silly part of your business!!!.

    I support Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft. So Pachter, you should do same!!! Also why can’t you bashing on PS Vita because it is got lower sales then Wii U moment and Wii U got huge third-party games support than PS Vita. Again you are old pricker. Shouldn’t have bashed something. Make no sense. It is sound like you behave like 12 yrs old kid who played CoD series and always loved one shot kills over and over.

    Wii U is all about gaming. Sony boss is so much nice person and respect and share with Nintendo for Wii U. Sony understood that Nintendo having hard time for Wii U sales. But Pachter you need to learn and take notes from Sony boss!!!

    Hobbit will hunting you old pant troll Pachter!!!

  • D-Man

    But if I put my money where my mouth is, I won’t be able to buy a Wii U!

  • only god can judge me

    This is where my money is.

    • JB

      That’s pretty slick. I’m assuming that’s a custom job?

      • only god can judge me

        Thanks and yea its a custom made retro wii u skin from the first original nintendo.

    • Rinslowe


    • Quicksilver88

      That is just sick dude….Honestly if Nintendo would do cool color schemes like that they would sell more systems.

      • only god can judge me

        Thanks and I agree

  • He didn’t take into account that some fans may be waiting until their money is right before they can spend on a Wii U. Also, it’s grossly improbable for two competing systems to both reach sales over 100 million when the majority of that install base would have to be casuals. In this economy, no large amount of average people can buy both consoles at full price.

    • Quicksilver88

      I have to agree in that in 8yrs for X360 and 7yrs for PS3 they each sold 75-80mil units…lI have always wondered how man of those X360s were repurchases because of RROD. My first X360 RR and I did the xclamp fix which revived it for about 6 months butthe died for good. I ourchased a second one that went a long time but died recently but I had purchased a third late gen phat jasper which has been fine since 2009. Point is I purchased 3 in 8 years and that is not uncommon. I had better luck with ps3 but didn’t buy until after thet removed backwards compatibilty from that phats in 2008 which made them run much cooler and that system still works fine. I do think WiiU will be lucky to do 40mil so it that respect I think he is close to right. The problem with PS4/XB1 is they are too close in specs and releasing at the same time. Many core gamers like myself tha own all sysems are not going to buy them both. M$ has a very US centric system and hasn’t done crap in Japan in two generations. I think $ony is heading back to their ps2 days and going to dominate this generation. 100mil PS4 is possible as they will own EU, UK, JAP. 60mil for XB1 and 40mi for WiiU is my guess.

  • I bought mine. Can I call him a troll now?

  • Logic

    Stop feeding the troll. Why does Wii U daily even post these kind of news?

    • ItzameyaToad

      I was about to say the same thing. It’s fine for them to not be biased and post bad news and stuff about Nintendo and stuff but when it is articles that have this clown speaking or giving his opinion it shouldn’t be posted haha.

    • Rinslowe

      Pachter’s like a toothless tiger, people just wanna see the animal in the Zoo, lol.

  • blindtiger

    Got a wii u already… And love it thanks. Pachter you a bitch.

  • Tom Greene

    F*#k Pachter predictions. ..uhhhhhhh WiiU daily is the worse source for Nintendo news

  • Will (ishigum)

    I’d like to put something in your mouth Pachter, to shut it. You come off as a jerk and a condescending asshole.

  • Rinslowe

    “Pachter says consoles are a dying breed”

    Lol, I’m starting to think this guy is just paid to be a comedian these day’s.
    Wedbush analysts; for funniest home movies?

    Oh and Pachter, I did put “my” money where my mouth was and bought a Wii U…(prick) ๐Ÿ˜›
    30m total lifetime sales is possibly a reasonable guesstimate….

    • Simon Stevens

      He never fails to make me laugh, I never take on board what he has to say but you can tell he does it for fun

      • Rinslowe

        Yeah, you know what. I don’t even hate the guy…

        He’s pretty well established in his field (mostly from past achievements), but now it seems he’s just taking the piss at every opportunity. People get paid to do worse jobs than that, right?

        • Simon Stevens

          I have a very lovehate relationship with him lol I certainly wouldn’t want him to go away, people like Adam Sessler on the other hand, I really wish they’d disappear all together, pach usually gathers up the negavity gathered from other youtube moaners and hacks and makes it funny

          • smashbrolink

            Yahtzee Crowshaw from Zero Punctuation does that better than Pachter ever could…XD

          • Simon Stevens

            Haha I find it hard to keep up with him, love the funny animation though =D

  • jrb363

    Honestly, here’s what I see happening:

    PS4 – 110 million units
    Xbone – 60 million units
    Wii U – 50 million units

    I expect Sony and the PS4 to completely dominate. They seem to be firing on all cylinders right now and they’re finally showing ease-of-use between multiple departments. This will make the PS4 a multimedia powerhouse, not to mention the games.

    I think people are forgetting how useless a large portion of the Xbone features are outside of the U.S. This will severely handicap their market worldwide.

    I expect the Wii U to become more competitive next year due to a price drop (really hoping for one) and games coming out that will draw in the larger Nintendo fan base.

    • Rinslowe

      I could agree except Xbox is miss-firing on all cylinders, lol, And some cylinders that aren’t even theirs…

      Seriously, what would possess any level headed man, women or man child to purchase an Xbox 1 on launch day?
      I don’t care about getting flamed for this but that console is a pile of dung right now….

    • Simon Stevens

      That’s probably about right, Wii U could have been more but hey, 3DS just like the DS is on fire lol

  • jrob23

    how can consoles have peaked and not be relevant in 10 years yet he has next gen consoles outselling current gen(ps360)? It’s like he doesn’t even hear what he is saying. What a buffoon.

  • bizzy gie

    Well I read the title and prematurely got excited. Oh well.

  • Rinslowe

    I think it’s the other way around in this case, but hard to argue with your logic.

  • readypembroke

    Nintendo Fans to Pachter , โ€œShut up about the Wii U and leave us ALONE!โ€

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      That takes away from the fun.

  • Jack5221

    Patcher, 1st off, I own a Wii U. 2nd, I respect opinions that are constructive. Saying something like “Wii U is crap” is not constructive.

  • smashbrolink

    Someone really should go up and yank him off stage during one of his presentations, one of these days.
    It would send a message to investors that the gaming community doesn’t want this prick representing any sort of industry viewpoint.


    Okay people won’t like this but he looks like he might be right. I mea Nintendo had a one year jump on the other two , that should have given them a stellar head start. And what do we really have? Most all third party games are skipping the Wii U while they’re going right onto the others. And theres no doubt Nintendo has the best first party games but they didn’t have any of their heavy hitters ready. I know we would’ve had to wait longer but they should not have launched this system without an original Zelda game and new smash brothers , you have to super serve your audience. And Shaquille O Neal it’s simply not about we don’t buy games only. I saw the headline that Sony says they’ll sell 3 million units this year , and we all know whether it’s deep down and we don’t want to admit it they will do it. That’s almost as many units as Wii U has moved and they’ll do it in one and a half months, think about that for a minute

    That should not be happening. But I will say this too though , all these people that keep saying consoles are going to be wrong. In ten years they’ll be making the same bad predictionds.

    • smashbrolink

      There’s one thing you’re not keeping in mind about the Wii U’s launch; the third parties are skipping out on the Wii U now, because their AAA third party launch line-up was 98% TERRIBLE.

      Badly optimized ports of old games, with missing content, that most Nintendo gamers[due to being mutliplatform gamers] have already played before.

      Sony gamers wouldn’t give that crap huge sales.

      Neither would Microsoft gamers.

      So why should Nintendo gamers be expected to do so?

      You’re right about Nintendo making a mistake with not having more first-party heavy hitters ready for the system sooner, but you’ve got to step back here and realize that Nintendo left the door WIDE OPEN for third parties to show people why they should own a Wii U.

      Games sell consoles, not spec sheets.

      And AAA third parties failed to bring the thunder.

      Most of them refused to take a risk by making a new game that used the system to its fullest.

      They tried to take the lazy way out with bad ports and it blew up in their faces, and now they’re throwing a temper-tantrum over it by saying no to developing games on the system.

      Third parties did more to harm the Wii U’s reputation and chances than Nintendo themselves ever did.

      No sane gamer would actually trust and continue to support most of the AAA third party developers on the Wii U, when the opening line-up from them on the system was so piss-poor that it was a literal embarrassment to the company who’s system they were making the games on.

      The AAA third parties didn’t do their own franchises justice, and they most certainly didn’t do the Wii U any sort of justice, let alone any favors.

      And if the AAA devs can’t change their tune and actually put forth efforts to make incredible core experiences for the system, then honestly, Nintendo would be better off doing tons of high-quality remakes and sequels to their own brands and past games, and in the process abandoning people like EA and everyone who rides on their coat-tails.

      Nintendo would make more sales off of a Kid Icarus Uprising sequel on the Wii U than they ever would with another load of half-assed sports games or shooter games from AAA devs, at this point.

  • iLoveXojo

    In 10-20 years, they’ll be nano-consoles, with full VR. FutureTimeline is just off by 10-20 years.

  • leafsfan73

    Consoles will eventually be gone as everything will switch to cloud based streaming. Why develop you’re game for different systems when you can just develop it for one, and then people can stream and play it on any device. Games are getting so expensive to produce that developers will push more and more in this direction to lower costs and expand audiences.

  • Nintendofreak

    I have to admit patcher every now and then says logical stuff but most of the time he is full of bs, first of all most people that own a 360 or ps3 are graphics whores, just look at how many people bitched when they found out that the xboxone was running at 720p, second nintendo as always had shit 3rd party support all generations after n64 and has done well, and since the xboxone and ps4 are basically pc that have hardware that will probably be or is obsolete as of right now, and also since the both have like 8gb of ram ,games will max out the consoles withing a year or two at most ,so most people will change to ps4

  • TheKingJoseph

    This is why Pachter is king. F the haters

    • gtosheex

      i thought you were the king? TheKingJoseph

      • TheKingJoseph

        lol there can be more tan one king, no?

  • Nathan Verbois

    I don’t have a problem with that statement, that’s why I’m picking up a Wii U tomorrow or Friday at the latest. I would’ve picked up one last year, but I was out of work and living in my car. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • X3Charlie

      Glad to know you’re doing better. ๐Ÿ˜€

      • Nathan Verbois

        For every misanthropic biased hater/troll, there are at least ten considerate and thoughtful people out there, I believe! ๐Ÿ™‚

        I am doing worlds better, so thank you for the sentiment. I was living out of my car, because I grew up in Los Angeles and consider that my home, while all of my immediate family moved back to the other LA where they’re from. I currently find myself there as well, as I finally gave in and moved back in with the fam till I could get back on my feet. Can’t wait to pick up my limited edition Wind Waker bundle!

        I hope you are and continue to be, very well!

  • WiiU4life

    Pachter doesn’t understand the Wii U. If his prediction of PC’s and tablet/smartphones cannibalizing console-market share is true then the Wii U and it’s touchscreen-streaming, controller is the only system this generation equipped to survive where console gaming is inevitably headed.

    • Hipster Victor

      True, no matter how many good games you put on the Wii U he’ll still find a excuse to call the Wii U crap. If Sony’s President love the Wii U, what that tells you

    • Rinslowe

      7 billion souls on planet Earth, with millions of new adopters coming in every month to any given platform…
      Cannibalizing is such a strong word to throw around here. And really just shows where his loyalties are in terms of investment advice, lol.

  • Jose Luis

    Mr. Pachter sounds hateful. Is there any reason for this? I’ve never heard of him before.

  • MysticDude97

    Patcher, I already bought a Wii U, and I love it! So, nyeah!

  • Jeovany

    I agree with what he said expect for the sale prediction and that wii u owner should stop bitching. Everyone hate what hes say because he gives such narrow minded opinion not because he hates the wii u

  • Justagamer

    Here is my response!

  • yousef

    look this is for pacther i did say before that the wii u need to improve the only play as idont know but you guys should know that the wii u have been hacked to play wii games on it and thats not good because you can ude hmbrew channles to cheat online most players already doing it and get me really upset when they do that like an the call of duty black ops you can check the clan name fisher they all spamms cheatr freind of mine invited me once she told me the play pretty good so I was like sure lets play then one of them kept getting k 9 units swarm and then he end up killing in the kill confarmed like 64 kills and 2 deaths i was like fuck u bitches anyway my point is its not much fun to play wii u on the online moade now back to micheal pachter wii u well sell alot more then 30 millons lol u dont know what fuck your talking about it starting 2014 nintendo has alot of stong tittles that will help to increased nintendo sells and probley the well sell more than 130 millons in life time

  • iamserious

    I honestly think he is over shooting the sells of PS4 and Xbox1 by quite a bit. If the mobile gaming community is growing as he says it is then that could possibly eat into home console sells. Not to mention the competition from other portable or home consoles being released. On top of that, the PS3 and Xbox360 will continue to receive support which gives gamers less incentive to buy the “next gen” consoles any time soon. The other issue I see is that many gamers seem to want online gaming (still a positive for all platforms). IMO online gaming is the best on dedicated gaming PCs and little by little more people are starting to share their fondness of PC gaming (although these consoles are much more PC-like than there predecessors). The Wii U is the one console that is still heading in a different direction with a push for local multi player gaming, off screen gaming (Sony and MS trying to replicate), and a very family friendly kids and adults of all ages approach. Also, Nintendo has the cheapest console and their games have a very high resale value. It is sad that Nintendo has had such a bad start but after the big hitters come out 2014 (2 years late :-/) they will be doing much better. I think it’ll be more like 50 mil Nintendo, 80 mil Xbox1 and 90 mil PS4 lifetime sales.

    • I expect sales of the ps4 & xbone to be slower than many think in 2014, the ps360 will still be better in terms of having a better range of games. The bulk of ps4/xbone games will basically be ps360 ports with mildly enhanced graphics at least until around 2015. There is no immediate need to upgrade. That said, there is a core gamer demographic that Nintendo needs to win back. Only the games can do that and we can’t say yet if they’ll deliver enough. Personally I’d like to see them return to snes level challenge for many games. and milk their nostalgia a little more… How awesome would a quality 2d metriod be? Along with adverts that hark back to their past rather than nothing but smiley, happy, family fun ads… When they have more wii u games out that show they’re still up to standards, of course. (Some recent games, like Luigi’s Mansion 2, Super Luigi U and the wonderful 101, were quite tough, so the difficulty could be on the way up)

      • iamserious

        Awe ya man I’m tired of those corny family only ads. They need to have ads that promote other games that aren’t only the family variant. Games like Rayman Legends, Wonderful 101 and even Deus Ex.

  • oontz

    And the greatest troll ever is….

  • wildbob777

    He is probably right, I have to agree with pretty much everything he said, there is just one more thing, console market is oversaturated, there are zilions of second hand PS3-s and zilions of decent cheap games. Why should people buy Wii U-s when their children can still play swap force on old Wii? It is not easy to come with new killer apps that will motivate you to get new hardware. It is the same as computer market, why should people upgrade to windows 8 when they are satisfied with their old W7 and there is nothing revolutionary in new system, it is just a “littlebit better” and that is not enough to gain new customers. Hard core gamers will go for new better hardware of course but hard core gamers will not make you 100 million sold units. So yes dear Nintendo fans, stop complaining about poor Wii U sales and put your money where your mouth is and buy a Wii U. I already bought two!

  • old_skool

    Times are hard for the majority of us at the moment. After working hard all month, paying my over inflated bills, paying for sky high fuel just to get to work, there is not a lot left in the pot. If I had the spare cash I would be buying the games my Wii U deserves. We are not all on a high wage for little work Mr Pachter!

  • Petri

    So every Wii U owner should buy a second (or third) Wii U?
    I think most of the gamers that are interested about Wii U and even some of the Nintendo fans are waiting for the games that actually interest them.
    I bought Wii U, even though I knew the game I really wanted wouldn’t be there at launch, or until 2014, but I don’t think most people would do that.

    I think Wii U is most appealing for families this holiday season, and PS4 might get most attention of the gamers.

    • zajac1661

      There are definitly a fair ammount of titles every WiiU owner easily could invest to their libary. If everyone just sat and waited for the next big Zelda or mario title, what do you think would happen to the console?

      • Petri

        Most of the titles are already on other consoles.
        Sure, if you only have Wii, then you should upgrade.
        What I think would happen did, and maybe still is happening to the console.
        Sure, if you are a Nintendo fan, it is pretty much given, that you will get your fix, eventually.
        But only Apple fancultist buy the product only for the logo.

        I have enjoyed every game I have purchased for Wii U, but most of the games aren’t any console movers, and Nintendo kinda failed to bring any of those at launch.
        Things are healing now, slowly, but still healing.

  • zajac1661

    I agree with the fact that people need to support the WiiU and buy the damn games, if they want to defend the future of the console. And i do not hate Patcher. I just disagree with alot of what he said in the past.
    There is no excuse not to buy Mh3, ME3, SMB, WW, Trine2, Pikmin3, Rayman3 among others. I have no clue why people would try defend the future of a console, if they do not own it, do not support the games or whatever reason they have for putting conversations in the community. There will be no positive future, if the support is nothing but words out of thin air. I know alot here own a WiiU, but i suspect alot of people stamping hate towards negative predictions, withouth actual supporting the console themselves.

    • devmiles

      a customer has options and a limited wallet so you go with the best, most transparent, best releases, possibilities etc. wii-u won’t be next gen as of friday when the big boy comes in town. i have a wii-u just because i’m a collector but i haven’t seen any game so far (pikmin was cool though) that really blew me off my socks. PS4 will do that for me and i foresee a very bright future for the new sony console, we all know. nintendo will be last in line again and dig it’s own hole. nintendo knows what we want, we want a zelda game, starfox, metroid…not just shitty VC crap or mediocre ports with shitty framerates. the wii-u is capable of doing at laest what a ps3 can do plus much more.. i haven’t seen any game that displays this. as family console the wii could get away with it’s gimmick and decent lineup (mario galaxy games, zelda etc) i have to admit…but this time it is different and nintendo should have known this. from the start they should have released a more epic lineup, this was very lousy for a console release and still is after one year. luckily we will get super mario 3d worlds the 29th, at least a good title but after that it’s a long wait till new titles.

      • zajac1661

        I don’t really get the “small wallet” explanation. Considdering the average age of a WiiU owner would be at the age group of mid 20’s to mid 30’s.
        Back in the days where i had a n64 here in Denmark, i worked my 13 year old ass of going with newspapers, just to afford games way more expensive than they are now.
        The fact is that the support at this point is just plain bad. There is no way i will support explanations like “there is no games worth buying. We have no money” There are definitly titles worth buyin at this point + a good etablishment of indie titles. If you ask me Arkham Origins is a really good release for the console as well, at this very moment.
        Big AA titles will come in time, but they should not be, and will not be the plain survival of the console. That is a Illusion if you ask me. I admit that the console had a weak starting year. But buying a WiiU this winter, would in my opinion be a better investment than going for a PS4 at this stage, considering the lineup is weak as well. with Mario 3d world as you mention, hopefully there will be a sale boost, and hopefully a eyeopener for 3rd party developers. But if fans of the Nintendo brand is the only hope, and they literally only want to pay for big AA titles, then i see no big future in the console race. The lineup the WiiU has now though, should if you ask me have been the lineup it should have had from the very start.

        • devmiles

          in my opinion the wii-u as a console hasn’t so much to offer. most of the developers are not even interested in making titles for the machine and all the newer generation consoles will set the 8 core standard for real next gen games. you buy nintendo just because it is nintendo and you expect them to deliver the mario’s etc but that’s it. i do love these types of games too but look at the companies poor strategy and communication. the use of the touchscreen is very limited too aside from some games that have some sort of use. the console has been downgraded else it will overheat, so the design factor is poor. you could rather spend money on a ps3 with tons of good games than a wii-u, you can easily wait another more year, but by then ps4 will be more than up to speed..i’m quite sure they will pick things up way faster.. i just hate the fact to realize nintendo lost most of their support and they owe it to themselves. the focus is too much kiddy with the pokemons, 2ds etc.. for me nintendo is not THE nintendo no more, those days are long gone.. and about the lineup, still crap. if you have a ps3 or xbox360 there is really nothing to worry about missing anything aside mariokart or mario titles.

          • zajac1661

            Im not going to defend the WiiU more than nessecary. New 8x jaguar standard yeah, and way higher memory pool. Absolutely better than last generation of consoles. I totally agree on the behalf that Nintendo did a poor launch job with the console. A poor game lineup to start with. And considering the time, a somewhat way lesser game libary, than expected. We still need to see titles and developer support to come and help the console. But when they do, it is all about support from the gamer community. The question would be if they could get a good sale before the implementation of the new consoles. This christmas perhaps.. I just doubt that mario 3d world would be the ultimate gamebraker. Otherwise, i think they will be at the low end of the market in the future to come. Sad.. but somewhat the reality as i see it.
            I enjoy the console at this point in it’s life. But not nearly as much as i hoped for. I still think it is a good investment though, considering the price. And i really do not think people should hold back at buying it at this state.

      • zajac1661

        The average WiiU owner at this stage is between 20-30 years old.
        I worked my ass of as a 13 year old to afford my n64 games back then when they were way more expensive than games are now,
        The WiiU had a bad start launch.. terrible if you aske me. But this winter would be no excuse not to buy one. There is a good ammount of games at this point. Are you serious about Pikmin being the only game of interest for you???
        AA titles will and shall not be the plain future survival of the console. The fundament for big AA titles being released will be in the support of games besides that as well. Arkham origins just released as a good example of a 3rd party investment.. I would recommend it to every WiiU owner. With 3d land launching this winter there should be no excuse for not buying a cheap wiiu bundle.
        There should be a chance that Mario 3d land could boost sales, and hopefully get the eyes from 3rd party developers in the future to come.
        But yes we should have had a Mario Kart and at least one more big aa title up to this date if you ask me.

    • There is no excuse not to buy Mh3, ME3, SMB, WW, Trine2, Pikmin3, Rayman3, among others? Say what? That’s a load of crap, man.

      Speaking for myself here, I’ve already played Monster Hunter Tri on Wii and don’t see much value in replaying it again. Most people have already long played Mass Effect 3 and Trine 2 on other platforms before it came to Wii U. I’m sorry if I don’t find modern Mario games as challenging as they used to be–they generally have been watered down considerably in recent years to fit the bill as inclusive.

      While Wind Waker HD is a nice remake, I’ve beaten it already 11 years ago, and being a remake, it’s still not enough of a title to buy a whole console for (unless you weren’t around to play the first one). Pikmin 3 is great, but I’m not going to lay down $350 in just buying a Wii U along with Pikmin 3, and have nothing much else to play. Rayman Legends looks decent enough, but it’s not exclusive anymore, so its overall impact with Wii U is minimized.

      This is exactly what I hate about many among fellow Nintendo fans–they keep on forgetting that Nintendo has to be the one to prove something to us and not the other way around. You’re spewing just a bunch of sentimentalist, unrealistic, fan-driven nonsense.

      You’re missing a simpler principle here: It’s not our place to save the Wii U. It’s our place to be impressed and sold by what Nintendo has to offer. Don’t be so much of a blind fan(boy) that you forget that YOU’RE the consumer here. The business owes you here–you don’t owe the business.

      People should not just buy stuff out of sentiment. It’s not our job to try to rescue Nintendo with increased sales or to try to convey some message to developers through buying a bunch of games with money we’d much rather spend on better games.

      Even if I wanted to support a company through buying their products, I’m not just going to go buy a bunch of games all willy-nilly. If a Sony fan had done that, you’d call them daft. That’s neither practical nor advisable. No, you buy what interests you, and if little at the time interests you enough to buy it, then that’s not your fault.

      I don’t know about you, but I’ve got rent to think about, and electricity in New York is the third-most expensive in the country. Money isn’t cheap, you know. $400 is a third of my rent–I simply don’t have money to spend on something that will just leave me doing a rain dance for more games. I’m not some college-aged kid with plenty of time on my hands, either. I play what I want, when I want, and need not anyone dictating what I “should” buy.

      By the way, some people defend the Wii U without actually owning a Wii U simply because they haven’t bought a Wii U yet, because while the console might be a good idea and has potential for great games, Nintendo themselves have been dropping the ball with Wii U.

      It’s perfectly reasonable for someone to be hesitant towards buying a Wii U when Nintendo keeps doing things like not being ready for its launch with games, failing to promote their own console much beyond their YouTube page, and releasing products like the Wii Mini which will only make things worse. You can have an interest in Wii U without feeling like you should buy one yet. Nobody asked you to be Nintendo’s unofficial salesman here.

      Nintendo has $10.5 billion in the bank. They’d better step it up–not we. They can establish a new second-party division to aid with simultaneous development of more games, with more designers and developers to aid with cutting production time.

      They can seek out and fund some quality small indie developers to produce indie content exclusively for Wii U, to provide some smaller games in the meantime. They could stop being so quiet and actually announce some new games. They need to definitely amp it up with TV commercials and general advertisement. They need to cancel the Wii Mini immediately. And a brand-new console IP wouldn’t hurt at all.

      • zajac1661

        There is no excuse not to buy Mh3, ME3, SMB, WW, Trine2, Pikmin3, Rayman3 among others? Say what? Yes that is what i said. And between the lines, i imply that it is a cheap way to say hello to the console in a positive way. I think it is rude to say im spewing nonsense.
        And i mean that it is a good fundament to start with, if you never put your hands on the console.
        Im actually not more of a Nintendo fan than, a fan on other platforms of gaming tech. And there is no reason to generalize me in the narrow hall of fanboy ignorance.
        Im not trying to imply that you have to save the console, by buying it because of a weak libary. There was a weak launch period + a weak ammount of titles to support the first year. I agree on that. And i agree that there is no new gamebreaker at the very moment. I agree that the console have been very weak on the market.. we both agree on that.. nonsens or not.
        But do not misunderstand me for my post. I seriously mean that the WIIU is a good and cheap investment at this moment, if you haven’t put your hands on it, with the titles provided (also withouth a major 1st party title backing that up) We can probarly both agree that the setup going at the moment is how the setup should have been at launch.
        I actually never really defended the WIIU to start with, because of a major dissapointment for myself as a owner of the console. I thought it sucked balls missing gametitles.
        But i see it as a fairly good investement at this moment, compared to what i thought a year ago. I think there are a good bunch of titles providing at least a stable and fun gaming period up to bigger Nintendo releases. And i think it is a shame to hold back on that account.
        Im not going to namedrop you for being a speaker of sceptical nonsene. But you take on the coat as the sceptical opposition on the subject, generalizing my point for being totally blindfolded.

        • I’ll let this one be my last reply. I know you’re getting reader’s fatigue. lol

          “Yes that is what i said. And between the lines, i imply that it is a cheap way to say hello to the console in a positive way. I think it is rude to say im spewing nonsense.”

          So, buying like seven games is a cheap way to say hello to the console? You ARE aware that you’re talking about $350 just for the titles you mentioned by name alone, right?

          Whether you buy these such titles all at once or one at a time, that’s still a lot of money to spend on just trying to boost a console’s sales.

          Oh, and telling folks that there’s “no excuse” for them to not dish out money on buying these few games, even if those most of those few titles aren’t even new games, is quite rude in itself. How is it not sentimental nonsense? Why should I spend money on what I’m not really satisfied with?

          “…And there is no reason to generalize me in the narrow hall of fanboy ignorance.”

          When people start saying things along the lines of “you outta be buying this,” in the face of presented reasons why someone might not want to buy them, you start to sound like a fanboy. It’s not my fault you didn’t exactly measure your tone there.

          “…I seriously mean that the WIIU is a good and cheap investment at this moment…”

          Wii U: $300. Just one game: ~$50 Don’t know about you, but I don’t consider $350 as “cheap.” Cheaper than other solutions, maybe, but certainly not “cheap.” Esp. since $350+ could go to many other places.

          But again, if I’m going to drop $350, I’d want to do it with a console where the company’s showing aggressive marketing, supplying a strong list of upcoming titles, and not doing such stupid things to potentially hinder that console’s success such as releasing the Wii Mini.

          If I don’t have confidence in the company’s handling of the product as of yet, why should I spend my precious money on it as of yet?

          “I actually never really defended the WIIU to start with, because of a major dissapointment for myself as a owner of the console…”

          And that’s precisely what I and millions of others wished to avoid this entire time.

          But i see it as a fairly good investement at this moment, compared to what i thought a year ago… …And i think it is a shame to hold back on that account.

          What’s really a shame is that besides Pikmin 3, Sonic Lost World, The Wonderful 101 and maybe Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate and Wind Waker HD (if you didn’t play them before), I honestly have no idea what “good bunch of titles” you are referring to here.

          I wish there was a “good bunch of titles” to point to for Wii U. About once every month, I look through the entire list of offerings, hoping for a good title that only the Wii U delivers, and I just can’t find them.

          And what handful of titles I would play, I can just later play when I buy a Wii U next year for SSB.

          One could probably mention Super Mario 3D World and Bayonetta 2, but I don’t like to refer to games that aren’t even out (or finished) yet as “good” yet.

          “Im not going to namedrop you for being a speaker of sceptical nonsene…”

          You can view me as skeptical, but I’m being critical. I’m no opponent of Nintendo or the Wii U. I don’t doubt the Wii U’s potential. If you notice, I’ve been actually saying that I want a Wii U.

          What I criticize here is the commonplace sentiment among this whole page that if people want the Wii U to do better, they should buy one. And what I’m saying is that such thinking is a bunch of sentimental nonsense.

          You don’t just buy a product hoping things will look up once you do. That’s a very good way to get disappointment as a consumer. You buy what reaches out and proves its value.

          If you were underwhelmed as a Wii U owner, then Nintendo failed you there. It will have to be Nintendo who makes it up to you. I challenge the thinking of fans (or at least, owners) of Wii U because Nintendo has been resting on their laurels in recent years.

          They won’t step up very much because they think their current efforts are enough. As long as people keep placing the blame on consumers, Nintendo will never learn. If people do not speak out, they remain on their course of complacency.

          If anything, I’m actually criticizing Nintendo here–not so much the Wii U in itself. It’s not so much the product as it is the producers.

          They need to stop making a weak effort with promotion, stop causing further product confusion and lack of consumer confidence by releasing Wii Mini, and stop being too quiet with announcing games for Wii U. Then it’ll be up to Wii U owners to buy games.

          • zajac1661

            I really think that you do a good job defending your negative viewpoint of the WiiU and every aspect surrounding it. I will definitly agree with you on several aspects of the critisism.. because the deal is.. that the situation for Nintendo as a brand in this upcomming generation is terrible. But i still think alot of it is very very hostile towards just any form of positivity, even though the libary is quite casual.

            Sceptical or not! Nonsene is a pretty good description of any lack of understanding towards my point.

            Yes… Nintendo failed utlra hard on marketing and developer structure. And their Wii mini etablishment is to be questioned with great wonder.

            You have “no idea” bout what titles i speak of you say. I think you do, but i also think you are forgetting that it is a somewhat subjective opinion, and that it can differ from person to person. I agree that the libary is no way near astounding though.
            It migt not be exclusives, but we just had splinter cell & arkam Origins released. Zombie U, Lego undercover, NFS, Injustice, Deus Ex directors cut. And yes Sonic, WW, 101, MH3. Personally i favor Rayman way beyond the new SMB titles, but i still think they are solid pretty solid titles. They might be a bit casual orientated, We have a quite solid price drop on games in Denmark atm. because of the poor sales. And the 50dollar mark is dropped fast.
            The virtual console is quite well established as well, and a nice add for a nostalgic gamer as me, who grew up in the 90’s gaming the shit out of consoles.

            I think that it is a nice thing to have in mind, that there are titles as mario 3d world hitting the steps and a Donkey Kong country on the other side of christmas… hopefully followed up by Mario Kart, Bayonetta 2 and after that a new Zelda title comming in.
            I still think the console is a fair investment (taking in mind that you have not owned the console up to this point, or played the third party titles on other consoles. With a fair ammount of indie games and virtual console backing it up, im to this point not as dissapointed when i turn it on.

            We can both agree though that the future might (in the worst case) throw itself around 1st party titles being the only fuel for it’s life.

            Weak promotion efforts and a terrible brand name should be pointed with critique on Nintendo’s responsibility towards the consumers. Especially considering how bad a establishment it did for the current situation of the console. And i wonder to this day, how Nintendo could launch such a weak game libary from the very start.

            Im picking a PS4 up myself on the other side of christmas. And i hope for people to pick up the WiiU, and the console getting a higher consumer base.
            If this does not happen, i see no chance of getting a strong third party support on the console. Missing out on the new unreal engine would be devestating for future titles as well… The console might just be a “all about 1st party titles” in the future to come. It will be, if they manage not to sell any competitive number of consoles compared to ps and xbox.
            Let us just hope Nintendo steps it up and thows out more of thoose games. I still recommend you to buy a Nintendo. Just for the plain fact that i wish cold numbers to get the attention of publishers.

  • Vile-Okami

    Is he expecting the Xbox One to have a 50% failure rate forcing everyone to buy two of the damn things again?

  • Marcos Crill Colon

    I still say wii u will sell the most especially in a year or 2 when the price is 200$ and all there first party games are out

  • djcaetano

    It has been a lot more difficult to find Wii U games on stores than PS3 and X360 games. This can be one of the biggest reasons why Wii U games (and the console itself) are so low on sales number.
    In the business side, this is far worse than the Wii-Wii U name confusion. People think Wii U has not games or, worse, that Wii U is dead.

  • devmiles

    if you look at the future of the wii-u it won’t be too bright looking at the line-up.
    ok, we have a mario game, we have a dk game mario kart and smash brothers..that is about it so far we know. the lack of communication is bothering me very much. you could compare the wii-u to the gamecube going back in time, with the ps2 and xbox, having tons of games and support and online features. gamecube wasn’t bad at all and had some epic games and exclusives but that was about it. ps2 crushed it big time…same thing is about to happen starting friday

  • Rocky

    more bad news for nintendo, thank-you, i find out my wii u CANNOT play movies from a usb or sd card. something my psp can do which is like ten years old.

    • DrNope

      Why is that important?

  • BGhp


  • Mathew Vogt

    Patcher is kinda right about what he said im sorry but November 15th and November 21st RIP Wii U

  • Phillip Fauble

    I hope one day she makes a prediction with something to support it.

  • Ben Ifits

    You want to know why wii u sales are slow?? Bias plain and simple. Bias that graphics, power, or gameplay aspects are more important then what the “old school” gamer grew up with. FUN. You can’t tell me Nintendo doesn’t make amazing games there’s a reason why there’s not a single game in the LoZ series that is “bad” there’s a reason why the Mario and super Mario franchise has sold upwards of 600 million units. Remember when golden eye multiplayer sleepovers would end in shooting each other with nerf guns and pillow fights? Remember how easily Mario kart could enrage you to the point of wanting to throw your controller at your friend but not doing it cause you wouldn’t be able to ruin him next race?? Remember the joy of playing ocarina of time for the first time alone in your room marveling at the wonders to explore?? Don’t get me wrong graphics and all that stuff are great IF you understand that first and foremost if its not JOY that drives you to explore that beautiful 1080p landscape all you’re doing is looking at it. If its not that competitive friendship that drives you to come in first place then you’re forgetting what it IS to win. I feel badly for the “gamers” who’ve forgotten what it means to be a gamer that enjoys what he plays because he knows it’s the feelings we as Nintendo gamers that connect us. So screw you patcher and to the gamers who think its about winning and power I tip you my hat but I raise my glass to my fellow Nintendo brothers and sisters who truly understand being a true gamer

    • gamesplayswill

      *tear up* Well said! Bravoo!!

    • Graeme Lynch

      I appreciate your speech. I do believe however, you are missing out some vital facts here, like the instances you refer to are decades old. The fact that the WiiU is a year old and still have a saddening lack of awesome games. True that graphics are not the be all and end all of games but I think they are relevant today as technology is capable of so much more nowadays. Amazing graphics is only one way to immensely submerge us into the world we play.
      Nintendo have been playing to the strengths of the 3DS for far too long it almost feels like the WiiU is obsolete next to it. I guess it just highlights the point that Nintendo like any other business will invest more and more into the product that is selling (3DS) as opposed to the product that is not (WiiU)

      • Ben Ifits

        It’s the fact that they are old that make them all the more memorable and “fun” lets be honest Nintendo is about having fun right?? I’m not at all saying there’s only way to HAVE fun I’m just saying when you follow the formula it takes to have that Nintendo kind of fun it works wonders. Honestly the whole HD thing they aren’t familiar with as much as Sony and Microsoft so naturally their HD games can be easier appreciated for their graphics because they have more experience in creating games that make better use of it to create a “fun” experience. It’s that same fun as Nintendo but its just the difference of how we got there that separates us. Personally I LOVE fried squid but should anyone use that as reason to tell me I’m not enjoying it in the same way as they do when they eat something they love?? Sure if you want but we’re still talking about the same thing except now you’re giving up that connection simply because you don’t understand why I enjoy it. Once we as gamers understand that it’s not how or why we enjoy what we play its just the fact that we all do ๐Ÿ™‚

    • The biggest problem with Wii U isn’t the technology. It isn’t merely bias. It isn’t any of that junk, really. It’s the lack of games and steady promotion. Plain and simple.

  • Timzel

    It is so simple… PEOPLE NEET TO BUY A WII U

  • Orange Lada

    โ€œWe think 30 million is where [Wii U] is set. If you are a Nintendo fan bitching about my opinion on Wii U, stop, put your money where your mouth is and buy a Wii U.โ€

    If Wii U doesn’t exceed 30 million units in its lifetime, the Xbox1 and PS4 aren’t going to get near 100 million units.

    Thinking someone should take a kickstarter to bet Michael that Wii U exceeds 30MM units – and see if Michael puts HIS money where his mouth is. I think a lot of the gaming community, even outside Nintendo, would like to see Michael put up or shut up, for a change.

  • audi lover

    Already have dickhead and your opinion means fuck all, i know companies that have taken this twats advice and have lost big time, guys such a nob, hows a bloke well in to his 50 telling my generation what’s hot or not its like getting dating advice from a dead grandparent absolutely pointless

  • audi lover

    Any game any device, really? don’t think so unless everything runs on emulators and most are frankly shit

  • Des

    It’s pointless to tell Nintendo fans to go out and buy the console because they already have them. A better idea would be to tell the fans to build up a nice little collection of multiplayer Wii U exclusives and go make some converts. Either have a few friends over to play their Wii U or take their console over to a few friends houses and let those folks play the games for themselves. It can be a grass roots efforts for Nintendo Wii U fans to expand the userbase by exposing as many of their friends and family to the console. Help Nintendo get the word out that the Wii U is an all new and great console worth owning. One that doesn’t have to compete with the other two consoles but can complement them. Most people are multi-console owners anyhow. I have a PS3, a Wii U and will be buying a PS4 in the future. There’s room in my entertainment center for all 3.

  • MujuraNoKamen

    He may be a dick-head but he speaks the truth, if you want a console to succeed, you have to support it, not just developers. You want the console to sell, buy one, you want good games like W101 to sell, buy it, you want 3rd party games to succeed, BUY THEM! If Wii U owners don’t support Wii U then no on else will!!!

    – Whatever else he says about Wii U, I don’t want to know it’s all probably bullshit but about PS4 and XBone, he claims that the “install base has peaked” for consoles yet he says XBone and PS4 will outsell PS3 and 360? the term delusional fanboy springs to mind.

    • Not everyone can (or are willing) to just buy a console out of sentiment. You’re a customer. A company is supposed to prove their value to you. It’s not our job as consumers to try to rescue a professional company from the fruits of their poor preparation and promotional efforts with their product.

      I love Nintendo (been a fan for over two decades), and I love the Wii U’s concept and potential as a console, but I can’t just spend a third of next month’s rent on a console just to boost its sales. Saving the Wii U is simply not our job. We should buy what appeals to us as a value and to enjoy the product of the promises that only Nintendo is responsible for ensuring gets delivered. Whether the Wii U is a value that delivers on its promise or not, that’s relative.

      And it’s certainly not our place to just merely buy games for the sake of telling third-party developers we want more games–I’m not going to buy what I’m not interested in, merely just to convey a message. Again, our money’s far too precious for sentiment. Besides, most of the third-party games have been available on other platforms long before the Wii U–for instance, I wasn’t going to buy Batman: Arkham City all over again for Wii U last year.

      And third-party developers have already tried supporting the Wii U–that is, as much as Nintendo made it worth to them to support it. The Wii U was a risk to support from the start–everything from its poor choice in a name to its confusion as a product, to the lack of first-party titles. The problem is, there simply weren’t enough Wii U owners who cared about their games. And it was no surprise to anyone of just why.

      Third-party ports got special treatments, but most Wii U owners didn’t buy them. No, they bought Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Bros. U instead. Even porting a game is rather costly, so developers don’t owe Nintendo a thing. It’s Nintendo who needs to step it up and prove the Wii U’s worth to developers. Otherwise, they’ll just move along to more promising platforms like the PS4.

      It’s nobody’s fault that Nintendo dropped the ball with not having sufficient content ready for launch of the Wii U, or how poorly they’ve been about promoting Wii U beyond their YouTube page. And nobody asked Nintendo to release the Wii Mini right before holidays, which only furthers confusion and hinders promotion of the Wii U.

      No consumer nor developer can be blamed for any of this. As a company–and esp. the gaming company with the most experience in the industry today–you’re supposed to be ready and have your game laid down quite flat before stepping out with your product. It’s not up to us to go around rallying “We need to save Nintendo! Buy a Wii U!”

      I’d better be getting the value for this product as I as their consumer deserve. Nintendo has something to prove to us–not the other way around. Don’t be afraid to show tough love. Besides, Nintendo is technically in better shape as a company than Sony is, in terms of money in the bank, anyways. They need to invest better into the investment that is Wii U–starting with promotion.

      They’ve got $10.5 billion in the bank–they’d better step their game up. They shouldn’t question a new F-Zero–just make it! Don’t just focus on these easier-to-develop Mario games–how about a new IP for console, for once? Establish a new small second-party company to help with simultaneous development. And they could seek out and fund top-notch indie developers to provide exclusive indie games for Wii U, until bigger first-party games around.

      If I do have sentiment about Nintendo, it’s going to be from the days of when Nintendo was on top of their game. Any gamer esp. from the NES/SNES days ought to know that Nintendo has done better than this, can do better than this, and needs to do better than this. They need to amp up their effort and refresh themselves–they’re capable of far better.

      • MujuraNoKamen

        True, I 100% agree about not buying things just out of sentiment, Nintendo have made so many blunders recently they need to learn to prepare for the worst rather than hold back and expect things to be great. I am also not able to afford everything, My message about supporting the console and games is more to those who are on the fence about getting them – when people say I would buy CoD on Wii U but I don’t know how many people are online, to which I say “not as many as XBox (of course) but I never have trouble finding a lobby and if you want the Wii U CoD community to be a success then taking the wait and see attitude wont help the problem, it’s a great game, you interested? take the plunge!” If you aren’t interested in CoD, Mario, or whatever then don’t bother but when I see so many people beg for games to come to Wii U then not act on it it’s not a good sign for console. and although devs and Nintendo need to learn from such mistakes, I think we’d rather not be in this boat to begin with.

        those last 2 paragraphs are dead-on, they are much more capable than this, I’ve commented in the past about Nintendo’s reluctanance to make a new IP and the way they make excuses for not delivering games that fans want that would guarantee them success (New IP, Pokemon Wii U) After what happened with 3DS you’d have thought they understood the importance of delivering early on in a consoles life, about offering new experiences (Mario 3D land was the turning point for 3DS) and keeping development moving quickly (without sacrificing quality of course) but here we are a year down the line and though I have high hopes for Mario 3D World, were do we stand afterwards? will the adverts be as lackluster (and confusing) as ever, will next years games fix the release schedule or will we be waiting months between games and suffer constant delays, will they show Wii U for what it is a new console with a great ideas and a games for everyone (by everyone I don’t mean families, I mean EVERYONE! – families, kids, teens, mature gamers, RPGs, everything) or will they just show Mario, DK, and Wii Party and neglect Bayonetta, X and Zelda. I’m optimistic but as the last 2 E3s and several other instances have proved, when Nintendo is in perfect position to dominate, they’ll back down and sabotage their own efforts.

  • dominic smith

    I have the view that Wii U sales would be higher if “specialist” games shops weren’t so biased against nintendo. I also think it has something to do with the fact that people tend to keep their first party nintendo games, because they offer greater replayability,as opposed to the greater amount of money these shops make from the used game market from the other platforms.

  • Justin Ordoรฑez

    I just got my Wii U w/ the Wind Waker bundle, so I’ve not had much $$$ to buy games, but it’s weird to hear that it sells so poorly because I love the Wii U. I don’t think the controller is gimicky at all. I like how it’s used in Wind Waker, and last night I started Arkham City and was blown away by how great the gamepad use was. I also think it’s very comfortable in my hands. I hope this holiday season is strong because this could end up being my favorite console since the SNES. So I hope this guy is wrong. I’m holding out until Black Friday to see if I can get a deal on Wonderful 101 and Rayman Legends.

    • Rinslowe

      ” I don’t think the controller is gimicky”

      Only peeps sayin that it’s gimmicky are the dudes without one, lol…
      It streamlines everything from gaming to web browsing, maps, inventory – plus you name it.
      Haters gonna hate…

    • Most people hesitant towards buying a Wii U aren’t hesitating because of the claims of the controller being gimmicky. Most of the criticism with Wii U lies in the lack of released games and the lack of announced games, both from first-party and third-party. I personally don’t think anything else is hurting the Wii U more than its situation with games.

  • 420

    I wonder……..why this Pathetic Analyst dont talk about the predictions of the 3ds Sales??????…..Since when trolling became a job and get well paid for it??….SUPPORT THE WII U COMMUNITY

  • Cube

    The problem is Wii U owner are adults and xbox and PS owners are kids and teens.
    What game do you think a kid would play CoD Ghost or Super Mario U?
    We play classic games because we grew up with these games but I would never try a new game because I don’t have time. I just purchased Wii U for Super Mario, Mario Kart and Super Smash bros.
    I don’t play any other consoles, the only computer game I have time for is Age of Mythology and I play on

    • Many of my 25-year-old-and-older PS3-owning friends aren’t kids or teens. Many people over 20 bought a PS3 for God of War III, Metal Gear Solid 4, The Last of Us, and are currently playing Grand Theft Auto V.

      Most of my friends will be looking into getting a PS4 for games like Final Fantasy XV, Kingdom Hearts 3, Metal Gear Solid V, and Driveclub. And believe it or not, a lot of adults play Call of Duty. You just generally hear the 13-year-olds on the microphone chat, that’s all.

      Meanwhile, I think I have three friends among us who actually own a Wii U. Everyone else is in the same boat as I am–waiting until better reasons to buy a Wii U arrive before investing that much money into a console. That’s because we all have rent to pay and we’re not going to drop down money on something that doesn’t prove its value immediately. They’d rather put it towards the PS4 instead.

      There might be a flux of younger gamers with PS3 and Xbox 360s, but just because there is such a demographic present among PS3/X360 owners, it makes no sense to just claim that generally, such PS3/X360 owners are kids. Demographically, the average gamer (console gamer included) are in their 30s.

      Also, kids and teens don’t buy their consoles, generally–their parents do. So naturally, most of those who do have a chance to get a console will get a PS3 or XBox 360 (or, soon, a PS4 or Xbox One for holidays) over a Wii U. The Wii U doesn’t have the biggest or best selection of games right now, so naturally, a kid isn’t going to pass on getting the hottest thing out there while they can.

      Many Wii U owners do tend to be over 18, people who bought the Wii U more out of its potential for games rather than its actual.offering of games. Kids simply don’t do that very much. Younger people are generally more impatient by nature. Kids don’t ask their parents for consoles merely because they believe in their potential and are willing to wait around for popular games–they tend to buy what’s popular and everyone at school is playing, to be among the buzz.

      But that isn’t to say, necessarily, that there aren’t parents who felt better buying their children the more youth-targeted Wii U over the mature-targeted PS3/Xbox 360. Many Wii U games are aimed at the younger gamers, and Nintendo still carries a reputation for catering more to younger gamers than others, and some parents still remember this (esp. in Japan).

      While many Wii U owners might be adults, I don’t think adults are mostly the ones buying Scribblenauts Unlimited, Skylanders Giants or Disney Infinity. And games like Nintendo Land and New Super Luigi U tend to be just as popular with kids as with adults. Adults owners are generally the ones with a Wii U, playing through Pikmin 3 or Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate for the second time now while saying, “Those new games will come around any day now.”

      Though, my guess would be that adults probably aren’t the majority of Wii U owners. The reality probably falls somewhere in between, with gaming families owning a Wii U. I’d guess that, more times than not, most Wii U buyers fall among gaming parents who like Wii U but also bought some games for their kids. And also fervent Nintendo fans who range from young teenhood to adulthood, who prefer and buy Nintendo consoles, regardless of its market situation.

      Most adults who would otherwise pick up a Wii U for themselves are still waiting for better reason to buy one. Adults like myself–despite being a lifelong Nintendo fan. I love Nintendo, but I need more reasons than mere sentiment for investing about $400 into a new console. I think most Nintendo fans my age (I’m 26) are with a similar situation.

      • Cube

        dude, you’re a kid and those are kid games.

        • I’m 26, good sir. I’m an adult. And if anyone’s being a child here, it’s you, placing your preferences as the standard of what are “kid games” or not, merely because you personally have no interest in them. That’s completely childish. Such puerility isn’t worth my effort with reasoning.

  • Wiiluigi

    Shut up!

  • Vile-Okami

    Nintendo fans to Pachter, “Shut your god damn mouth”

  • shaun

    I think the bigger picture is not Wii u vs. ps4/Xbox1 but rather old media – cable tv / gaming consoles have ever increase competition from smart phones / tablets / media set up boxes like Apple TV / Roku / slim laptops ect. Here I am typing this among 413 other comments instead of playing a game .. Just like you

  • Pachter. You are on wrong area of “expertise”, since you got none of it – so better give up your day job. Maybe cleaning floors might work out better for you.

  • SamuraiKrft

    The Wii U needs more games…and better hardware.

  • SamuraiKrft

    Nintendo should of put better software and hardware in the system and released it around this time with multiple 1st party games available. Also with more third party support.

  • Fredrik

    if pinball williams classic gets on wii u I wii be first in line

  • gamer_guy

    Ooh, I love these ‘Patcher’ articles. From what I read both the Microsoft and Sony gaming divisions dont make very much money and made a loss for many years. So even with huge install bases these two companies struggle to make meaningful profit. On the other hand, Nintendo can make a profit from a Gamecube sized install base of 20-30 million. I think that is why both MS and Sony have gone for weaker and cheaper machines this generation compared to the hardware monsters of the PS3/X360. If we are talking only about money then I reckon Nintendo will be making a profit on its WiiU business after this xmas.

  • Quicksilver88

    I don’t fully disagree in that I think WiiU will likely hit 30-40mil units and I agree those who love Nintendo should jump in now as the bundles are good and price is right and library is good and improving…..why wait any longer. What I hate is that Patcher is just an ass to Nintendo gamers. He is a gaming business analyst and by all accounts Nintendo has had bettet business models both as a manufacturer and a publisher than most if not all other comapnies. I tought bullying was out of fashion..would he say something like this to MS or Sony fans if it had a slow start?

  • WarioForever

    People, you say that PS4 has really great graphics, but what does that mean to you?
    7 years ago PS3 was so powerful that people used it as a supercomputer.

    But today, there are many really powerful personal computers that you would rather go to market and buy PC. So why would you buy PS4 if you are considering graphics?

    • Osiris11235

      It’s $400, and is sold at a loss. A comparable PC would be $700-$800 for the same level of features.

      • WarioForever

        And you can do anything with PC, you know.

        • Osiris11235

          I know. I have a gaming PC that WAY beats out the specs of the PS4 and the XBOX One. I’m just saying that people who are more price sensitive will get high quality (albeit not the highest possible quality) HD graphics with a PS4 or XBOX One.

    • Greater horsepower is not necessarily just about better graphics. You also get a significant improvement with AI, online gameplay, the amount of in-game content, the amount of activity that can be rendered at one time, the ability for the console operating system to operate in the background independently in the background away from the gaming, fluid console-to-mobile interactivity, and the ability to render games in full 1080p at a buttery-smooth 60fps.

      Of course, you can just get this with a gaming PC, but you just won’t find a gaming PC that’s both built with the PS4’s technical specifications that performs as well as PS4 does at those specifications, all for just $400.

      (And I hope people read that sentence carefully. I’m saying that an 8 GB RAM/multicore CPU/1 GB GPU gaming PC won’t be as optimized as the PS4 with those same specs–I’m not saying that gaming PCs can’t match or exceed PS4.)

      Also, console gaming is more about the console gaming experience than anything. Gaming on the couch with a game controller is quite a different experience than gaming at your computer desk with the keyboard and mouse, though, depending on your gaming style and preferences, you might just prefer the typical PC gaming setup, esp. for certain types of games.

      Sometimes, you just want to hang out in the living room on the couch with about 15 feet between you and the TV, playing with friends online with all the same gaming platform (where no one has a hardware advantage over another). Even though PC gaming rigs can be setup for your living room, it’s not as easily or affordably done as with consoles.

      Though, the PS4 in particular does offer some functionality that even PC gaming doesn’t typically feature, such as allowing friends to play tricky parts of your game for you, sending your gameplay video seamlessly to Twitch, and allowing you to play games as you’re downloading them.

      It all depends on your personal style and gaming preferences. And while improved graphics is the most obvious improvement with greater horsepower, it’s certainly not the only affected area.

      A console like the PS4 is just a nice, affordable, easy-setup, out-of-the-box, market-ready, holiday-gift solution for gaming that many people will enjoy–many PC gamers included.

  • Pachter’s not totally off the mark (this time…), but still, his logic is rather short-sighted. I myself love Nintendo and have for over two solid decades, but I don’t like the idea of buying a console just for sentiment support. That’s not practical thinking, and he knows it.

    First off, I shouldn’t have to buy a console just to merely help Nintendo sales. I shouldn’t have to wait for strong reasons to buy a product. I’m supposed to buy what I truly think it a value, the minute I buy it. I’m supposed to buy a product with full confidence about its future as a product. I’m still a consumer–give me a reason to buy your product. No business should have to rely on sympathy as a means of sales.

    Currently, I only know of about three AAA games coming sometime during or after 2014: Super Smash Bros., Zelda Wii U, and X. Three games. I have little reason to buy a Wii U right now, and so far, Nintendo’s showcasing little reason to buy it later (even though I plan to pick up a Wii U in time for SSB and Zelda).

    Compare that to the bevy of titles I can at least look forward to seeing on the PS4. Final Fantasy XV, Kingdom Hearts 3, Guilty Gear Xrd -Sign-, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, Deep Down, DriveClub, and a smoother version of Project CARS. And a world more of games, I’m sure. Developers’ confidence in PS4 seems to be sky-high, with both major and indie developers alike.

    If I had bought a Wii U at launch as I originally wanted, I would be sorely disappointed with my choice today. I would be with only about three games today (Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, and Sonic Lost World). I might would pick up Super Mario 3D World later, as it looks like it might be worth a play. As fun as those games might be, three or four games simply aren’t enough to justify the full-price value of the console to me.

    And then the fact that the Wii U gets a price drop a year later just because of poor sales and a hard-to-beat $400 price tag for PS4 would make me glad Wii U got a price drop, but regret even more in investing about $400 into a new Wii U at launch, when I wouldn’t have felt like I got my full $400 worth this whole year.

    I’d also be a bit upset that Nintendo didn’t give the early Wii U adopters any sort of Nintendo Ambassador program (ร  la Nintendo 3DS) for their early adoption of the Wii U during one of the driest first year of any Nintendo home console. Even the Nintendo 3DS didn’t see things this bad with games–at least it got some solid first-party titles during its year one.

    I’m more than a fan–I’m an adult with responsibilities and finances to budget. So I plan to pick up a Wii U only once Super Smash Bros. drops sometime next year, looking forward to seeing Zelda at E3 2014. And I don’t think I need to buy a Wii U to prove my preference for Nintendo, Pachter. That’s not practical.

  • Javier Vega

    He is right everyone who has a 3DS should get a Wii U lol.

  • Aiddon

    did he just resort to a grade school taunt?

  • Greg Lanciotti

    No offense Ashley, but you’re grammar/sentence structure needs some work. You should either go to a workshop and learn how to write OR you should have someone edit your articles. If you want this to be a professional site, the writing must be professional as well. I’m not trying to be mean. I’m just offering advice. If I could help in anyway let me know!

    • You posted: “No offense Ashley, but you’re grammar/sentence structure needs some work.”

      It should read: “No offense, Ashley, but your grammar/sentence structure needs some work.”

      • Greg Lanciotti