Last week we reported on the Philips Electronics vs. Nintendo case filed in the UK, where a UK judge ruled in Philips’ favor in the patent infringement case. Nintendo UK has responded to the ruling, issuing a statement that it plans to appeal the court case win. Nintendo states that it is committed ensuring that this ruling has no affect on Wii U and 3DS hardware and software while they pursue the court case. “On 20 June 2014, following a trial heard before Mr Justice Birss, the UK Patents Court found that the Wii, Wii U and Wii Remote infringe two patents (’498 and ’650) asserted against Nintendo by Philips Electronics. The ’498 and ’650 patents were held to be invalid as originally granted, but Philips Electronics were permitted to make validating amendments during the course of the litigation. “A further patent (’484) was asserted by Philips Electronics but was found to be invalid. Nintendo firmly believes that the amended ’498 and ’650 patents are invalid and intends to seek permission to appeal Mr Justice Birss’ judgment. Philips Electronics has yet to make clear whether it intends to seek permission to appeal any part of the judgment. “Nintendo is committed to ensuring that this judgment does not affect continued sales of its highly acclaimed line of video game hardware, software and accessories and will actively pursue all such legitimate steps as are necessary to avoid any interruptions to its business. Nintendo has a long history of developing innovative products while respecting the intellectual property rights of others.” As you can see Nintendo actually provides information about the patents, which Philips Electronics has not done since the original case was filed. The first two patents would affect both Wii and Wii U sales, so it’s important that Nintendo do what it can to appeal this decision before an injunction is placed on the sale of those products inside the UK. local_offer Nintendo patent infringement philips wii u stars Further Reading A photo of Nintendo’s first office in 1 Nintendo loses patent appeal, ordered to pay Officer Raichu you can do NUK! games-master-of-truth We’ll Nintendo has been making millions of cheap tech and taking the public for granted. Nathan C. This case deserves a great, big facepalm Capt. Smoker Eff off Philips, you phuckinnnnnnn faghotttttttts Ashley King Please refrain from doing that. If you can’t, I’ll help you along. Capt. Smoker *sigh* least I got to keep the eff off part, good enough for me lol Shota there has been many cursing on this site yet you edit his comment. goodbye wiiudaily . better head of to nintendolife and nintendo everything. much nicer admins than these half assed unemployed bitches Gameonfool What a load of bollocks. Akai Dani Fuck off philips you bunch of patent trolling asshole. Nintendo should sue you for the shit you did to Zelda on the cdi Capt. Smoker Could of swore when I read this before, you said the C word instead of asshole, seems were all being edited out lately, you’d think this was a park bench, and not the internet were you can say whatever ya want lol Ashley King Maybe you’re confused. Please see our terms and conditions linked at the bottom of the site. I will continue to delete and ban members who can’t follow these rules. Stop with the excessive cursing and using racial and hateful slurs. This goes for everyone. “You hereby agree to refrain from engaging in any inappropriate conduct when using the Websites. Inappropriate conduct will not be tolerated and may result in the termination of member privileges. 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Member posted content may be edited, modified, and/or removed from the Website at any time without prior notice.” Capt. Smoker I hardly think this applies when it’s directed at a company and not an individual person involved in the comment section, can understand my edit, but editing out the C word?, the C word is consistently used in British culture, watch any British movie and see for ya self, just sounds like your acting high and mighty posting all that shite, rather than just explaining it in your own words. Ashley King It’s directed at users of this site. It is in our terms and conditions. Read them and know them if you’d like to continue using the site. If you wouldn’t say it to your grandmother, you probably shouldn’t say it here unless you’re ready for the ban hammer. FutureFox I have to say this,”posting comments deemed by us to be trolling” has been lax. Rinslowe Yeah. This is so true. Over the past 6 or so months it has opened the door for a plethora of trolls and malcontents to set up shop and play disruption at every opportunity. I had a direct run in with a few some time ago. And had to get squeaky just to resolve my part in it, as they seemed to have an infatuation with me for some reason. Which I admit was a tad underhanded on my behalf in dealing with their trolling. But thankfully they were sorted out. Capt. Smoker You seem to like talking down to people so it seems, ban me if you want, I’ll just go to another site for my news, better than having authors think themselves above their readers. Ashley King I’m not talking down to you. I’m telling you to watch your language, according to our terms and conditions, or I’ll be forced to ban you. That’s it. Capt. Smoker You come across that way to me, but ah well, be reet, I apologize for the trouble Rinslowe Nah man. She’s just enforcing a language rule. And when your in a position to uphold certain rules on the internet I guess it’s a bit more difficult than communicating that in person. If you catch my meaning. Personally according to the varied user base of Wii U Daily, the fact that they cater to people who are interested in Nintendo and Wii U for the most part and the fans and console owners. I’d say having a clear cut rule on language overall is a good thing. Some of us may find that restricting. But it’s not only about us though mate. There be young people here too… Capt. Smoker Aye, I understand that, I never considered younger people, I’ll be more careful in the future cause of that, just couldn’t be doing with the “you wouldn’t say it to your grandmother” crap, it comes across as condescending, and dismissive of others opinions, maybe I just don’t like being told off like a naughty school boy lol Rinslowe Maybe it’s because the naughty school boy was hoping to find a dominatrix instead. Haha… You’ve been told off but you didn’t get the whipping you were hoping for. Lol. I’m just jokin around mate. 🙂 Rinslowe “unless you’re ready for the ban hammer” Haha. I like that one! Akai Dani Sorry man, yea I though the c word was a bit much. I’m scottish I swear a lot lol Capt. Smoker That explains it all, I once dated a Scotish gal, she used the word Bastadddddd more than the word we use for Vagina *carefully chosing my words now* lol Rogelio Yeee kick their Asses!! Mike Walker This is typical Philips behaviour, they make millions from sitting on patents and taking fees, this isn’t even their market sector!. Capt. Smoker Just seems their envious to me, not just of Nintendo but pretty much anyone having a better time in the business than them, remember em having rows in the past with the likes of Panasonic and Pioneer, back when they were in the Plasma television business, and even with Samsung amongst a few others in the LCD department, I think their tech at the time was good, even now, their tvs aren’t too shabby, but the be all and end all ain’t Philips, surely they couldn’t of had every idea first lol Mike Walker Philips do most of their business in the commercial lighting market where they buy up small companies left right and centre and extract royalties from nearly everyone they are non competitive in their outlook and business ethic, in the normal retail market they aren’t as big anymore. Andrew Gonzalez Good! bistricky So if Nintendo didn’t appeal, the courts could stop/ban Nintendo from selling the Wii U in the U.K.? Has ever a gaming console been banned before because of patent infringements? Ashley King I’m not sure about gaming consoles, but something similar happened between Samsung and Apple. When it was ruled that Samsung infringed on patents Apple held, a judge ordered an injunction on several of Samsung’s infringing devices. The same could conceivably happen here. Capt. Smoker What did they infringe?, I can’t remember, a similar design? or was it just that button at the bottom? lol I always thought they looked similar, but not enough to be taken to court over. Ashley King In regards to Samsung vs. Apple, the original case was over design elements of Samsung tablets and phones looking too similar to the iPhone/iPad. It’s one reason why Samsung devices now have a chrome border on them, like the GS5. Capt. Smoker I never thought the tablets looked similar, just the Samsung Galaxy S range of phones, most phones look the same these days, I hope it doesn’t spark an influx of patents lol Daniel Brown The worst part was when they decided that the Galaxy Tab didn’t actually infringe on the iPad, so the judge told Apple to make a public apology. It was the most self-conceited and snarky apology ever. It was also super hard to find on their website. “…But the Samsung products are very thin, almost insubstantial members of that family with unusual details on the back. They do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design. They are not as cool.” http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411444,00.asp Rinslowe Lol, yeah. That’s a sad way to make an apology for an entity like Apple. bizzy gie Because iDiots think every tablet is an iPad. bistricky That is really fascinating. I never knew that could be possible. I can’t imagine the negative fallout that would occur if a gaming console was banned in the U.K. The media would go crazy. From what you observed do you think that Nintendo may be in the wrong this time? ….. it must be hard to prove patent infringement (unless its a carbon copy) Daniel Carvalho Sometimes patents are filled yet the product they’re designed for never comes to light. It’s like when Nintendo patents some names to protect their IPs, so people won’t come up with a similar name and use their IPs’ names in order to get attention. The problem lies on how the judge sees those patents and what determines an infringement. As I see, there’s no patent infringement: Philips has never made public whatever they had in mind for that patent of theirs, which means no one could copy them, as no one knew such a thing existed. As even further proof, Philips has turned a blind eye to the PS Move, which is basically a Wii Remote with more buttons, being an offender as well. Yet Philips never bothered suing Sony over it. Now, let’s analyze the situation: by the time Philips has sued Nintendo, the Wii was a huge success, which rendered Nintendo loads of money in their safes; yet Sony, although had indeed a great fanbase for their PS3, had several losses on the other departments, which led them to close in red for several years and lose some of their buildings in order to maintain themselves. See where I’m getting here? Philips is going only after those who can give them money, they don’t really care for patents whatsoever. If they did, they would have gone after Sony (and probably Microsoft as well, due to their Kinect stuff), yet they decided to go for the company that had more money at the time. Philips is not the first one to sue Nintendo over their motion controls, it really is suspicious how many companies have patent over it! And what’s more suspicious is how they decided to show up only 6 years after the console had been launched, right when it was most famous and most profitable. bistricky Thank you for taking the time to reply. It was really informative. I really find patent law very confusing. I am sure I am not alone when it comes to that. You brought it more clearer for me. Cheers again. 😀 Daniel Carvalho Just know that I’m no expert nor I have studied laws. Depending on the country, laws regarding patents may vary (a lot). Some countries don’t even allow licensed products from outside because of the difference between the reign laws of each country. What I told you is just my vision on the matter, with the little information I have on the case. Either way, I do believe what I said is true (otherwise I wouldn’t have said that, right?). I have always found it weird many companies would suddenly come on to sue Nintendo over their motion controls years after the console had been on the market, and not when it was first announced. We also have no word from those companies trying to reach out Nintendo and inform of their patent infringement (if that’s really the problem, the first thing one would do is sit down and talk, suing is the last resort), instead they go promptly to court and media telling the world they’re the victims! bizzy gie The S3 was the best selling phone in the UK for ten consecutive months (bromen by the release of the S4). I’m not so sure the infringement hurt Samsung’s sales and I’m sure this won’t affect Nintendo either. Rinslowe Yeah it may end up having an ongoing financial impact there. But it’ll likely just polarise the average consumers viewpoint towards either side. I think it’ll end up in a similar way where the constant law suits against Nintendo all seem bogus to the majority and people pay little attention to it. While the average console gamer emphasises with the big N. In this case though. And I’m no expert. But it really does look to be a case that would be better served towards another console… Phillips’ situation is an open book and they need to conduct themselves in this way recently. The patents seem pretty straight forward in their difference to Nintendo’s tech. But I’m not sure an appeal will change anything now due to the overall bogus nature of this suit to begin with. Rinslowe Not that I can recall. Helbert Pina Could someone please tell me me what the $¨#% Phillips has done with motion technology? Christian Schoff Not a thing but write something down and say “This is our idea and even though it’s only a little bit similar we are suing over it” DragonSilths When was the last time Phillips was relevant? Exactly thats why they are doing this now, just to have 15 minutes of fame in the spot light again. Cubester_64 Does making DVD players count as relevant? (Doubt it.) Dark Lord Sauron philips can go screw themselves their just being greedy by trying to make a quick buck by suing Logan Waltz They haven’t done anything and the patents aren’t even for applicable technology CydeFxt Nintendo could just buy Philips….. not that it would want to. Capt. Smoker I’d buy a Nintendo television, the pleaee understand range FallenAfh Phillips is several orders of magnitude bigger then nintendo. Maybe you should do some tea search before sounding like a stereotypical video game nerd ? Christian Schoff Maybe you should do a little research too. Phillips has been hemorrhaging money and suffering from a ridiculous amount of lay offs. Even if they have more money than Nintendo they won’t for very long. Which is why they are pulling this little stunt in the first place. FallenAfh Phillips 2013 net income = EUR 1,172 million. Nintendo posts 3 continuous years of losses. Nintendo fanboy: nintendo has gazillion dollars in the bank, they can afford to lose forever. Ermahgerd. Glasshouse , meet stone, Dark Lord Sauron nice non facts ur pulling troll sony is losing more money then nintendo/sits on tons of cash not going anywhere anytime soon FallenAfh Do you have reading issues? Sony can go die I’m a fire with nintendo as far as I’m concern. I’m just hear to laugh at people who think that nintendo is even capable of buying phillips over Dark Lord Sauron i didnt say nintendo was buying philips but you said nintendo is losing tons of money which their not FallenAfh Nintendo was the one who said their losing money you idiot. It’s not like you can’t find their annual reports online. Dark Lord Sauron (facepalm) they only lost small percentage but still have tons of cash so their not going anywhere FallenAfh (Double face palm) Nintendo fanboy: nintendo has gazillion dollars in the bank, they can afford to lose forever. Ermahgerd. And I just posted it right above and right on cue that tired argument. Dark Lord Sauron stop trolling dude FallenAfh Whenever you stop, “bro” 00EpicGamer00 How old are you, exactly? Judging from how immature you are, I say about 12 or 13 years old. I also just LOVE how your way fighting on the internet is copying what someone else said, and just changing some words. Not a very original thinker, are you? Christian Schoff Congratulations on being a stereo typing a**. I never once said Nintendo is sitting pretty. FallenAfh Congratulations on being a stereotypical moron. I never bought out the nintendo numbers until you acted like phillips was in trouble. Follow the train of thought. Someone said that nintendo buy over phillips (which anyone with a braincell would know is ludicrous). I called him out on his idiocy. eb Stop being this guy. http://youtu.be/MT0-OL_71yU Justin Gray Earnings and worth are two different things…. Big_Dean harsh. whats your beef with nerds BigotPride FallenAfh = Phillips employee FallenAfh Bigot pride = nintendo employee Dark Lord Sauron fallenafh=troll that lives under his bridge FallenAfh Dark lord Sauron = troll that lives in his moms basement 🙁 Dark Lord Sauron oh look a packmule ^ FallenAfh Oh look an ass ^^^ ;p Dark Lord Sauron better be careful with the swearing or ashley will start throwing the ban hammers she alrdy lecture a few people dont below FallenAfh What swearing? Since you referred me as a mule im just returning the favor and calling you an ass. 😮 Dark Lord Sauron i refereed to the donkey without saying the a word like you have said twice FallenAfh An ass is a donkey you nincompoop. Dark Lord Sauron everyone knows the a word refers to a donkey but with the mods cracking down on people using foul language so before calling some one an idiot better look into the mirror dude FallenAfh Yeah, don’t lump me with “everyone” if it includes you. Also I’d love not to treat you like an idiot but your butchering of the English language and zero punctuation skills makes it hard for me not to. CydeFxt OH shut the fuck up. It was a joke dick head. FallenAfh And you stfu. It was a joke ass head. 😉 Big_Dean now i get it. you don’t just have a beef with nerds. you have a beef with everyone. and look at the result, a piss-fest which u started FallenAfh Get what. Some one posted crap (lolnintendobuyoverphillips), I called him out on it, then a bunch of folks got all butt hurt. Some folks call me a troll without evidence, I return the favor and call them the same. Some one calls me to stfu, I call them to stfu too. Moral of the story, if you can’t take it then don’t dish it out in the first place. Big_Dean the results are self-evident. you forgot to consider (notthatitwouldwantto). no crap there. he didn’t initially dish it out until u got it going. FallenAfh You mean it’s evidently clear some folks got butthurt that someone called them out on the crap they wrote. I’m sorry if not everyone wants to join the blind nintendo circle jerking in the comments. Guest Dude… Philips is so much larger than Nintendo… Its almost like saying Nokia should buy Apple AND Samsung… jjbredesen Good Nintendo appeal, i think this whole think is put mildly completely stupid and Phillips has now right to sue them. Big_Dean nintendo seems to be in lots of lawsuits ben I think most big companies have many lawsuits every year, however, we only hear about this one because this is a gaming issue. Christian Schoff Good because that’s total BS. “Your patent is not the same” “Well what if we change it to this so it’s more similar?” “OMG Nintendo infringed on you!” Akai Dani I have been thinking about this and it looks like philips is losing money according to quite a few coments around the internet and one thing seems clear even if Nintendo lose all cases and despite the fact philips are looking for a ban of wii u sales in the us I highly doubt it would end up like that. Think about it philips clearly want royalties of nintendo’s consoles and would continue to do so with sales, so why seek to ban a console which sales would ultimately benefit philips too, I reckon their trying to make nintendo panic and try for a settlement. Can someone explain to me how they were Able to amend their patent so that Nintendo infringed upon it DURING court ? HavokPants sue sony for playstation move BOOM now you know it’s personal InsaneZucchini Wait, so, Phillips modified their patent during the course of the suit to make it a stronger case? How is that even legal? Daniel Carvalho “The ’498 and ’650 patents were held to be invalid as originally granted, but Philips Electronics were permitted to make validating amendments during the course of the litigation.” You mean this part, right? I didn’t understand this at first, but I’m assuming this part is saying they simply changed what their patent covered. Is that it? InsaneZucchini Yea, that’s what it sounds like to me. ben What ever the final outcome, this case will amount to very little for us as consumers. Either Nintendo will agree, grudgingly, to pay some form of compensation, or the case will be appealed and won. The fact Nintendo had to make a case for why they would put a motion sensor and a camera in the same device is a joke. Talk about guilty until proven innocent. However, I imagine that this will just be case of how much Philips thinks they deserve and how much Nintendo is willing to pay. That could take years to agree upon. Think of it this way, if Nintendo had asked for a licence, for use of a patent that they may not have known existed 9 years ago, how much would Philips have charged them? Because Philips cannot ask for a licence fee that is based on retrospective sales. It will be a case that lasts longer than the wii u. At no time will Philips issue an order to remove the wii and wii u from the market. That would be both impossible and a case of losing any chance of receiving any money. Finally, one has to question the judges decision. Is he an expert or just someone who thinks the tech seems similar. The key factor to remember is Nintendo never stole tech, they just used an idea which seems very similar to one that had been patented. Coffee Noooo eb Please, someone shut down Philips. Shootdatrupee!… Time will. Philips failing so bad it makes Nokia and Nintendo look like modern day Apple. eb Or in fact, we could get Kamikazes. josephnorton They were working on a motion controller for the cd-i and it was gonna be that consoles big come back but then Nintendo had to go and steal their technology!!! For shame!! reyn69sharla Philips…….aren’t they the guys who make screw drivers? Palmer27 Ph*ck Philips Thisguy Boycott Philips Goods Fuzzylittlebastard F***ing Phillips man. What is wrong with those people? Guest Lets hope this appeal works…. Fuzzylittlebastard Is this revenge for the CDI games? TwinTails Based on this paragraph, “The ’498 and ’650 patents were held to be invalid as originally granted, but Philips Electronics were permitted to make validating amendments during the course of the litigation.” , it insinuated that Philips could legaly change their patent after it was ruled invalid by the court. This points out a major flaw in the UK’s patent law and raises the judge’s overall competence to suspicion. I’m glad they’re getting it appealed, and hopefully under a different judge where they can bring up what Philips did as a counterclaim.