The fiscal year ended on March 31st and Nintendo has just reported its financial results for the year. Truth be told, things could be going a little better for the big N. As far as system sales go the 3DS is doing well, having sold 12.24 million systems and having moved 67.89 million units of software during the fiscal year. The Wii U isn’t doing quite so hot on the other hand. Hardware wise, 2.72 million Wii Us were sold during the fiscal year along 18.86 million units of software for it. Looking at lifetime sales, the 3DS has sold 43.33 million units while Wii U stands at a comparatively humble 6.18 million since it’s release. Looking ahead Nintendo is forecasting that they will be selling 12 million 3DS units this coming fiscal year along with 67 million units of software for the system. As for the Wii U, Nintendo predicts that it will sell 3.6 million Wii U units along with 20 million units of software for the coming year. Here’s a breakdown of the Wii U units sold across quarters from the time the Wii U was released until this quarter. Compared to the last fiscal year net sales decreased from 635.422 billion yen to 571.726 yen. Nintendo experienced a gross profit of 163.2 billion yen. At the same time though, the company has reported an operating loss of 46.4 billion yen and a net loss of 23.2 billion yen. Things could be going better for Nintendo right now. What do you all think of all this though? Do you think Nintendo will meet their sales expectations for the next fiscal year? [Source: Nintendo] local_offer 3DS Nintendo wii u stars Further Reading Here’s how insanely big that new Pikach The new Detective Pikachu Amiibo is huge and Enumerating Wishes Let’s see what surprises Nintendo has at E3. I think they’ve got enough casual gamers so I hope they appeal to their more “serious” crowds. Gabe Hoffman People say the casuals have moved on but I disagree. Casual gamer does not really mean people who play nothing but tablet and smartphone games. A casual gamer is a person who plays video games but isn’t dedicated to following them like the core gamer. Heck Madden and COD you can consider casual games. The COD creator actually said so matthew garcia Rpg’s are for the hardcore Gabe Hoffman Odd if they sold 2.7 million wouldn’t that mean they met their revised projections? I think they may be low balling on purpose since they are much more likely to surpass that mark with Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros. Some of those losses may be from the R&D on their QoL and their recent new HQ buildings. Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros will be the true test for Wii U as those games have the greatest appeal and many have been holding out on a Wii U purchase for those games matthew garcia But there initial projection was over 9 million they lowered that to 2.8 million blasterman Nintendo’s fiscal year is April 1 to march 31.. This is for the previous fiscal year. The sold numbers are factual. The 3.x are the projections from April 2014 to march 2015. steveb944 I think they can exceed their projection as long as they come in hard on E3. Deliver great software and the buyers should come. jjbredesen Yeah, to be honest it can’t get any worse, so when the games hit, the sales will go up, they will not go down, so hopefully they can turn a profit at the end of the year? Ducked Nintendo just needs to reveal more Wii U games other than MK8 and Smash Graeme Lynch They don’t seem to have any other games to reveal… aefd X, Zelda U, Metroid, Bayonneta… :/ Graeme Lynch Oh I thought Ducked meant games we didn’t already know existed. Rinslowe Not that it means anything. Just to weigh in on the topic but, I guess Miyamoto’s new IP qualifies. Graeme Lynch Yes I would agree that it does ‘qualify’. Sadly this is 1 game and not even God knows when that will happen. I just feel like Nintendo are crushing my love for them. First with the Tomodachi Life debacle now with the never ending doom reports. Sad times for me. Rinslowe Sorry to hear that. But tell me. Tomodachi has received quite positive feedback from the media and gamers alike. Is the debacle you’re referring to something to do with tentative release dates or? btw, I’m also looking forward to getting stuck into that game… I’m trying to understand as well the one game idea. True a new IP qualifies as a new game. But does that subtract from the games that are already known, but lack release dates and other details? Surely at the further reveal of those titles etc… we can call that a positive. No? Or are the sad times more to do with faded hype? Graeme Lynch The Tomodachi Life debacle I am talking about is the large miiquality campaign which Nintendo have essentially said today “we aren’t getting involved in controversy”. This has annoyed me. As for games the only thing I am interested in at the moment is Bayonetta 2 and X. As far as I know the new Zelda is years away and Metroid hasn’t been mentioned so who knows. I can’t feel positive for games I know nothing about. So sad times for no games to play on my WiiU and sad times for Nintendo turning their back on a minority. But who cares right? It’s just the gays… Rinslowe I don’t know anything about the “gays” and Nintendo or was that a typo? But, well if you’re not excited about anything on the way in coming months for Wii U. It might just be time to support another platform, if you don’t already. I’m pretty stoked about Kart at the end of this month. Then Wii U next exclusive would have to be hopefully Bayonetta 2. Not sure when X is dropping, but that’s up there for me on most anticipated tentative titles of 2014 next to Destiny/ The Division/ Watchdogs etc… Yeah, it’s a great time to be a gamer of all platforms IMO. Graeme Lynch There is a large campaign called Miiquality aimed at bringing same sex relationships to Tomodachi Life. It has been pretty well reported. Granted not on WiiUdaily. I do look forward to Mario Kart as it always delivers but I just don’t believe 1 game in many months justifies excitement. Rinslowe If we get past E3 and none of the known games have been given release dates, then I can agree. If Nintendo provides confirmed dates for X and Bayonetta 2 then I think things won’t be so so bad after all… Graeme Lynch Thing is they can confirm release dates all they want but we just need to look back at Sribblenauts for WiiU, Pikmin, Wonderful 101, DK Country Freeze, to know that release dates mean nothing to Nintendo. Rinslowe I won’t assume that much. There are other factors at play. Their studios were not ready. At the time, I believe Wii U was brought to market 12 months too early because they felt they needed a head start on the competition. If anything they simply sped up their timetables lol. They waited until they felt they had the right product for releasing. And true this is typical of Nintendo. But, those were the defining factors as to why. Now isn’t quite the same story however as those development teething issues have passed. And I’m willing to wait until after E3 before calling it the same way. Another point to consider here is that when I refer to known games, I’m mostly talking about Bayonetta 2 and X which coincidentally are developed not by Nintendo’s in house studios but Platinum Games and Monolith Soft respectively. It would be a small tragedy if at this point they were not given definitive release dates during E3 as they are likely the most complete of all the titles we know are coming for the platform. ANd being developed by outside studio’s not so bound by Nintendo’s in-house development schedules etc.. (Granted Monolith Soft is a Nintendo owned developer). Graeme Lynch Well I read recently that Nintendo won’t be doing the whole E3 extravaganza and opting for Nintendo Direct. My thoughts are that it didn’t work last year so it won’t work this year… Purple They’re Nintendo! They can make gold coins and rupees. Gameonfool I’m usually hard on Nintendo but even for me with the titles coming plus there should be unannounced titles shown soon too, I don’t see this years total sales being as low as 3.6M. John Smith I’m thinking of buying an xbox one and selling the wii u…. Should I wait for e3 and hope something miraculous happens or should I buy and xbox one ? matthew garcia What kind of games do you like John Smith I like call of duty…… And is cod advanced warfare gonna be released on Wii u ? matthew garcia I would say keep Wii U if u could and buy Xbox but if you can’t u should buy Xbox one for call of duty cuz you will have halo and Destiny also. Not sure about the next COD on Wii U though. Not sure about anything on Wii u lately. At least for the games I want sharlo galmo Next COD will be on the WiiU, i have a Xbone, and to behonest i like the WiiU more……..But buy what you think is best for you, i play games to have fun and right i got that more with the Wii U. greengecko007 As far as I know it has not been confirmed to be coming to the Wii U. The initial reveal actually only showed Xbox One I believe (wonder why that is?) but I would hope that it comes to the Wii U. Edit: This website lists the current platforms as Xbox One, 360, PS4, PS3, and PC. While it doesn’t say Wii U, there’s still a chance it could come to the console, especially since it’s being developed for last gen consoles too. It wouldn’t be the first time the Wii U version of CoD was revealed at a later date. http://www.callofduty.com/advancedwarfare/buy Virus6 Is it really worth it? You are basically treating the Wii U as wasted money and therefore paying extra just to play a Xbox One. I’d never consider selling a console before it’s end simply because next month they could announce a game you’d REALLY want to play and then you wouldn’t have it any more. I’d recommend sticking it out and trying out a game or two you may have skimmed over. I played some amazing games like that when I chose to keep my Gamecube. I never would have played Chibi-Robo or Tales of Symphonia if I’d gotten rid of it and picked up the PS2 AlienFanatic I just sold my XBOX One. It’s underpowered next to the PS4 so unless you think Microsoft’s exclusives are better than Sony’s, I can’t think of any reason to buy one. That is, unless you like their interface and Kinect. Personally, I much prefer to use my Chromecast or Fire TV to watch Hulu, Netflix, etc. I might reconsider buying a Wii-U, though, if they release a Metroid or Starfox game. Rich Garriques go ahead sell wii u for garbage box that has little to no exclusives and has pure fps games that are the same and already on wii u. go ahead spend more money to be a braindead idiot. folks do not encourage him otherwise let him make a stupid decision meanwhile mario kart 8 comes out the end of the month go do it. we dont need traders like you on wii u anyway buh bye. Thomas Fitzgibbon THIS JUST IN! POKEMON OMEGA RUBY AND ALPHA SAPPHIRE REVEALED (BY KOTAKU) FOR NINTENDO 3DS!!! RELEASING WORLDWIDE IN NOVEMBER!!! WT Herrod Jr. Covered: http://wiiudaily.com/2014/05/nintendo-announces-pokemon-omega-ruby-and-alpha-sapphire/ Shota umm it was already covered Thomas Fitzgibbon Oops I always forget Wii U daily now has a 3DS section haha my bad 😉 Shota don’t worry i wanted to do the samething you did till i saw the 3ds section XD Shaise Nintendo should give more effort to Wii U which is struggling more. Rinslowe I think it’s too early to say if they will meet their sales expectations or not. But from what we know of the upcoming exclusive software, they certainly have the material to do it. It just really depends on whether or not we see those titles at the right time. Looking at Nintendo’s sales trends it’s easy to see why they would want to hold off on their biggest sellers until certain holiday periods where they also typically see the most software sales. But again, for the other confirmed titles coming this year, they really should be positioned strategically to carry reasonable sales along between those major releases. And this is one of the biggest unknowns at this point in time – will they carry momentum with the other exclusive titles this year, or will they try to catch the holiday window for the majority of their 2014 line-up? The second option I think being a mistake, despite what their trends are showing. At this stage and to a lesser degree for the moment, there are also those titles that are yet to receive launch windows at all, which may affect the accuracy of their forecast – for better or worse. Zuxs13 Yeah the “gaps” between games will be important. Mario Kart in 3 weeks and then we have 5-7 months until SSB comes out. Even if X, Bayonetta, Shin Megami, Yoshi, all come out in those 5 months that is still a bit thin. Without them pulling out some major surprises at E3, whether it be games that were never announced and are done, or major 3ed party games coming out within there, they will lose the Mario Kart momentum. I know they will announce may good-great first party games at E3, could be more stuff like SNES remix and indie games too, but unless Zelda Comes out in Aug-Sep or they some how pick up Destiny, or a few other big 3rd party in that time, I dont think they can keep the momentum. Rinslowe Yeah. Definitely won’t be a cakewalk.. 🙂 Zuxs13 I am optimistic for E3, because if you look deeper into the numbers, Nintendo actually made a profit in the last fiscal year (as in games and consoles sold they made profits) but they had an overall Operating loss. The operating loss means that they spent more money on R&D, advertising, packing etc than they brought in in sales. So lets hope that the majority of those losses were in R&D, meaning new games! Rinslowe I’m also pretty hopeful for Nintendo this E3. Would be nice to see something like X in demo form – playable on the floor… Zuxs13 Yeah im excited for X, i also hope there is more in that rpg market from big N. DoctorWily It seems like we get doom and gloom articles about Nintendo every week and the media and trolls love to run with it and declare that Nintendo should leave the console business forever and go 3rd party. I don’t understand why Nintendo gets the lion’s share of the heat when Sony and Xbox are clearly having troubles of their own that greatly exceed what Nintendo is experiencing. According to this article, http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/01/sony-adds-200m-in-expected-losses-despite-ps4-success, Sony is expecting to lose $1.27 billion dollars this fiscal year compared to Nintendo’s $228 million. That’s more than 5.5 times the losses for Sony compared to Nintendo. Granted Sony has more than just their Playstation division contributing to these losses, but that’s a hefty sum for any company, especially one that doesn’t have the bank reserves that Nintendo has. Where are the doom and gloom articles for Sony proclaiming they should abandon their current business practices? Why is the hate so one-sided against Nintendo? It’s like something negative about Sony comes out and the story is quickly swept under the rug and forgotten. Clearly, all three major companies are struggling with finding ways to make video games profitable in the current market. This is a disturbing trend that could have a huge impact on the industry if it doesn’t turn around. I think it’s unlikely but if they continue to lose money, one or all of these companies could decide to pack up their games and go home. Hopefully it will never come to that, but even with these losses, Nintendo is still in the best position to remain in the industry for the longest period of time. sharlo galmo Is simple dude, cause Nintendo don’t like the media anymore and Nintendo is doing thing without the media. Right now the media don’t now nothing till Nintendo told them, Nintendo is right know more with there fans, look at what they plan for this E3, is more for the fans and media don’t like it, cause now they are not the only one who see everything first, right now we also see things for the first time like them:D:D:D:D:D:D…….. They are haiting on Nintendo cause, Nintendo don’t do things with them like Microsoft and Sony doing right now!!! Rinslowe I think there is some truth in that…. Rich Garriques will we all know the media is the devil and what does the devil do?, bring misfortune to those who don’t work with him or his associates. Zuxs13 Despite the poor use of english, i agree there is a bit of truth to that. The media rely on “exclusive reveals” and interviews. Plus they rely on advertisements and Nintendo doesn’t advertise nearly as much on major Gaming sites and news sites. Follow the Money! matthew garcia It’s not doom and gloom articles it’s just factual sales numbers they report. It’s just bigger news when a company that is so use to making profit is all of a sudden losing money 3 years in a row. Rinslowe I don’t think he’s actually referring to this article or even this site specifically. Other than making an observation in general of the average poster after information like this releases to the public, media etc… matthew garcia It’s Nintendo’s fault. They lost touch with the times changing. They had control over that and chose to do Nothing Rinslowe I have no idea the context of your comment, lol…. matthew garcia Lol ok well we’re talking about the media mistreating Nintendo. I just said it was Nintendo’s fault that they get this kind of criticism Rinslowe Oh righty I’m with ya. Yeah well certainly choosing to go it alone in that regard kinda wasn’t the best move in Nintendo’s recent history. Neither was getting out of the QOL hotel line either but oh well… Conflict of interest and all that… 😛 matthew garcia Yeah I’m with ya on that DoctorWily Exactly. It’s not really this one article. It’s the trend I notice across the board. My point was that I feel like I only hear about Sony and Xbox woes once or twice a year and I hear about Nintendo’s every other week, when the other companies’ numbers are much worse. And regardless of the neutrality of the article, it typically ends up in Sony and Xbox fanyboys taking the opportunity to bash the Wii U, proclaim it dead, and telling Nintendo to give up. Obviously, some sites are worse than others. Gabe Hoffman That’s still nothing compared to Sony who have been bleeding money for nearly 10 years matthew garcia Yeah cuz they can’t sale tv’s , Stereos and computers for shit. Their gaming division actually does well. If they sold the PlayStation brand it would still be successful on its own D Moness after the 10th year of loss on their tv division you would think they would try and sell it . matthew garcia It’s just company pride. You would think Nintendo would change to but they don’t. They still advertise the wrong way, won’t fix relations with 3rd parties. That’s been going on for over 10 years also. spigzone Lucky for Sony it’s gaming division is now a cash cow. Gabe Hoffman But that doesn’t mean much when all your other divisions are losing money Iflywright Obviously you guys don’t know how much of a giant sony is in the movie music and tv industries. Sony’s got their hands on Columbia Pictures Entertainment, EMI, MGM, RCA to name a few. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/28/business/global/sonys-bread-and-butter-its-not-electronics.html?_r=0 Rich Garriques exactly! , why is it NO ONE EVER TALKS ABOUT THIS ON IGN. Rinslowe If you look really closely in Sony’s financial report you’ll notice IGN as a major contributor to last years losses, lol. Nah of course I’m just kidding around. audi lover Sony been doing it for years spigzone By your logic the Xbox One is the most successful console in the history of gaming because Microsoft posted record profits last year. DoctorWily I’m not sure how you jump to that conclusion. Microsoft made profits, yes, but their Xbox One division lost over a billion dollars, just like Sony. Sony’s entire business could shut down due to heavy losses and Microsoft could shut down their Xbox division to cut losses. Of course, I think they’re more likely to be sold off than shut down but that wasn’t my main point. greengecko007 Sorry, I’m just not seeing any doom and gloom here, or anywhere else. Nintendo isn’t used to taking yearly losses, so news like this is going to be covered. Likewise, there are also articles on Sony losing money as well, and I have seen plenty of people suggest that they drop most of their branches that aren’t profitable. Sony was also predicted to have a much higher chance of going bankrupt in the next two years compared to Nintendo, are you ignoring this? It’s not just Nintendo losses being covered. The only doom and gloom is what’s in everyone’s head. matthew garcia Nicely put Rinslowe Between you me and the playboy bunnies. For the next few weeks and a few more after, I’ve only got Kart 8 in my mind. And the hopeful expectation of a Zelda U reveal… 🙂 Shota why hopeful? they said they gonna announce it on e3 this year 😀 Rinslowe Yeah, I think it’s a done deal. But with our favourite Japanese gaming company…. any thing is possible. 🙂 greengecko007 Mario Kart 8 has been on my mind constantly this whole year. It’s actually driving some of my friends nuts. Once it comes out I’m sure I’ll be more excited about E3 and the Zelda U reveal that we’ve been promised. I’m hoping it’s a more open Zelda game like Wind Waker or Twilight Princess. I loved the controls and story of Skyward Sword, but the world felt to restrictive and broken up to me. Still a great game though. Rinslowe Totally. I’m just hoping Anouma and his team melt my Wii U’s casing on start up… 🙂 DoctorWily Oh look, a post on CNBC about an hour ago: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101650276. This is what I’m talking about – the general trend in the media. This financial report will spawn many more doom and gloom articles across the internet. Just look at the headline, “Is it game over for Nintendo?” Did I really read that or is the doom and gloom only in my head. This is the sort of media spin that I’m talking about. The article doesn’t mention any losses by Nintendo’s competitors or the fact that their financial losses are in fact greater than Nintendo’s losses. It just mentions that because Nintendo’s hardware has sold less than their competitor’s hardware in the last 6 months, they have apparently, “taken a backseat in the gaming world.” I would argue that despite their console sales, their games are still relevant, far superior, and in greater number than what’s out on their competitor’s machines so far. However, this article fails to mention anything about software sales comparisons or game rating comparisons such as the number of Wii U games with a 90+ metacritic score vs the number of games on PS4 or Xbone with an equally high score. These are two things that I think are very critical when determining who is where in the pecking order of the video game industry. greengecko007 Since when is cnbc a website that people go to for videogame news? It’s not a relevant source and doesn’t deserve any atention. Addittionally, the article speaks only of the Wii U’s struggle since it release. It mentions nothing about Nintendo being doomed as a company, or going 3rd party, or whatever else you are so worried about. DoctorWily I’m not sure I would call a major news source that gets millions of hits every month irrelevant. In fact, I would argue that because it’s not a gaming website that it IS relevant. I didn’t Google anything to find the article that I posted. It appeared on my Facebook page and had been shared over 80 times at the time that I posted it here. This means it is going viral through Facebook where it may sway less involved gamers who are sitting on the fence about whether or not to buy a WiiU and who may not visit pure gaming sites like IGN. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people just read the headline without actually reading the full story. You can’t simply disregard the effect of articles like this on CNBC, Forbes, BBC, etc just because YOU don’t frequent those sites. Shrugging them off like you did is ignorant. People of all types visit news websites of all types. They may not go there specifically for gaming news, but they may stumble upon it there. The title of the article, which you are so keen to ignore is, “Is it game over for Nintendo?”. No, they didn’t really dig into the answer to that question that much in the article, but if you don’t think that headline is suggestive of “doom and gloom” then I don’t know what is. I didn’t fabricate it or conjure something out of my subconscious and pointing out the trend of negative clickbait headlines is not indicative of any bs “insecurties”. That sort of comment makes you sound pretentious. All I said in my original post is that I’m tired of seeing articles and headlines like this one because… I’m tired of seeing articles and headlines like this one. Nintendo isn’t going anywhere and I’m tired of moronic headlines/articles/forum posts that suggest otherwise, directly or indirectly. greengecko007 I’m not sure I would call any random article on a major news website a relevant source just because of the name of its host website. CNBC may be popular for actual news, but the article you linked has 53 comments at my time of writing this reply, which is astronomically less than any article you would find on IGN about Nintendo news. Taking a further look into the comments, who are the people in the discussion? Nintendo fans disregarding the article. Shrugging off articles like this isn’t ignorance, it’s quite the opposite. If you let every little run of the mill article with no sustenance bother you, than that is the real issue. DoctorWily This is not a random article – there’s a version of it on every major website out there, including IGN. Some have spun it more negatively than others. How many comments are on the actual site is also irrelevant. As I said, it popped up on my Facebook page and has 88 shares, 165 comments and 117 likes on my page alone. Who knows what those numbers add up to across all of Facebook. Besides, my major point was not about this one article. This was just one example that happened to pop up. It’s the sum of all the articles that are out there that all focus on the woes of Nintendo and ignoring the fact that they’re faring as well or better than their competitors that’s bothering me. Diaz I got a headache by just reading the title to that article. Its like they are desperate for clicks. IGN (or the others) don’t post Sony/Microsoft doom and gloom because there would be bigger backlash from the fanboys. Plus the same fanboys would rather read about Nintendo’s failings while remaining blissfully ignorant of their favorite’s. greengecko007 Yeah, IGN is too busy posting articles about why Mario Kart 8 having online is a big deal, why one of their favorite games of all time is Super Smash Bros, and defending Nintendo’s decision to not have a stage show at E3 again this year. This is exactly what I’m talking about. Most of the “doom and gloom” you people are so tired of is simply a fabrication of your own insecurities, because professional websites posting actual video game news aren’t posting articles like that. Rinslowe I can’t completely agree with that. Many other sites specialising in financial/ investment reporting have made articles where writers openly call for Nintendo to go third party. Or are headlining with failure this or failure that… As you mentioned to another poster. These are not strictly gaming sites. So what makes these kinds of reporting relevant to the topic? Well the fact that you are 100% correct. And what are financial and investing sites doing writing about the failure of a product and a companies likelihood of going third party only to begin with? It’s pretty strange to me… Then there’s all the doom and gloom from other posters almost everywhere on the net today. But to me this is just people expressing their opinions on a company or simply trolling for fun and ultimately not a big deal. It does exist. But I would also agree that there is a certain amount of over exaggeration from staunch Nintendo supporters of this phenomenon… greengecko007 I’m not denying that somewhere on the internet it exists, but the only way you even get to articles like that cnbc article is if you are specifically looking for said “doom and gloom”. Actual credible websites that report actual news don’t post doom articles. The complaints about it are futile and in my opinion, annoying. Why complain about something in a setting where it isn’t an issue? It’s also sad that anything that isn’t expressively positive is viewed as “doom and gloom” due to, once again, peoples’ own insecurities. Take IGN for example, it’s hilarious how people still think they are biased against Nintendo, despite being one of their biggest supporters and sources of news. Rinslowe I do agree to a point that certain hardcore Nintendo supporters are touchy on the subject of doom and gloom. But I’m not unsympathetic as to the why they might react in that way over time. I also agree that the majority of decent websites of any nature mostly report relatively unbiased news regarding Nintendo, with a few exceptions. And still, websites that specialise in a certain field of reporting whether it be financial related news or just your average lifestyle magazine are made relevant to the topic by one important fact. These people visiting those sites may view the gaming market in a casual manner. But after reading article after article of negative Nintendo news, they will in turn process their understanding of the company equally in that context. So yes, it is an issue. As the tactic seems aimed directly at Nintendo’s last generations blue ocean strategy, but may also affect investment etc… This is not unplanned. Having said that, I think the staunch Ninty crowd does indeed need to lighten up a little. As to me the most important aspect of gaming – the games – have never been better… 🙂 greengecko007 But who is even reading those articles other than fanboys just to reinforce their own confirmation bias and insecurities? I don’t believe it’s casual web browsers, because when I google “Nintendo doomed”, the top searches I get are, “Is Nintendo Doomed? Not Likely” from Gamesradar http://www.gamesradar.com/nintendo-doomed-not-likely-just-take-look-how-much-money-its-got-bank/ and other similar articles like, http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.840588-Enough-with-Nintendo-is-doomed http://n4g.com/news/1470277/nintendo-and-the-wii-u-are-not-doomed-that-is-ridiculous http://wiiudaily.com/2014/03/nintendo-not-doomed/ And sure, there are a few actual doom articles mixed into the results, but those are not only fewer in number, but come from unpopular websites I’ve never even heard of. Is it not strange that even when I specifically ask for doom articles for Nintendo from a google search, I get more hits stating the opposite? It’s for this reason that I have no sympathy for those feeling upset by these few articles. The only way I see people encountering them is if they are really, really trying to find them. Rinslowe This is partly incorrect. “But who is even reading those articles other than fanboys just to reinforce their own confirmation bias and insecurities?” I got that you were implying that the first time. Which is why I pointed out that those financial and investment sites including various unrelated to gaming lifestyle sites have their own readers man! 🙂 Of course the average non casual gamer has no reason to go there. SO yes. Fanboys probably do bent out of shape. But who really cares about that? It’s the casual crowd that is being affected by this strategy to discredit Nintendo’s public image. And it’s pretty effective so far… Again, to those sites you mentioned above/ or the average gaming site I’ll call them, as I mentioned in the previous comment. The majority of articles are pretty much on the level… Lastly it’s not about the people trying hard to find the doom and gloom articles though is it mate. I don’t care much for these types either. It’s more about the relevance of a campaign to discredit a companies public image right at the heart of their most successful campaigns of recent years – the casual market… greengecko007 “I think ultimately we agree. But we’re looking at the same situation from different angles…” Absolutely, and I’m also positive that by reading my posts on this website that you know one of my major peeves is fanboys making non issues into issues and over dramatization of topics such as this. We all have our week points, and this just happens to be one of mine. Squid Eh, Nintendo will go up in sales soon enough. Shane Michaels True, when you look at all of Sony’s other earnings, they’re struggling. Amazing Spiderman 2 is one of the worst movies in the franchise, but should make decent bank, PS4 sangs like gangbusters, and they also have Michael Jackson, which, you know, MICHAEL JACKSON. http://www.mjworld.net/wp-content/uploads/michael-jackson-spiderman.jpg Relevant: Michael Jackson as Spiderman. Fitting. Nintendo is just games, only games, so if they struggle in that, they struggle. Hence QOL to branch out. Magnus Gonzalez think about it. Back in the day you had Nintendo and Sega. Then you added Sony. Then first person shooters came and that generation on has been all about that. Halo, COD, Battlefield were and remain all the rage. Those kids who first started playing games on PS2 and Xbox really never played Nintendo and just don’t get it. Sadly, that is the majority of people out there. When the Wii came out it didn’t matter that there were plenty of good games. They saw their parents and grandparents use it and it was dead to them. They and their friends were content playing the yearly COD releases. All that’s left of Nintendo fans are the people over 30 who have been playing those systems all along. There’s just not that many of us. Some of us have also purchased PS360 because some of the games are compelling. Very few of the dudebros gen X and gen Y are going out and getting a Wii or Wii U. I think there might be 20 million die hard Nintendo fans out there that have already purchased a Wii U or that will get one this year due to Kart and Smash, when funds become available, when price drops, when Metroid or Zelda come out or after all the above. The reason why you read so much negativity about Nintendo is because all the dudebros who grew up on PS2 and Xbox are now writing the articles and running these sites. There really are only a select few champions of Nintendo products out of dozens of workers at each of these sites. It used to be Audrey at IGN and now it’s Jose for an example. Out of all their writers they are the only true fans. The rest play some games and like it but they are passionate. Meanwhile PS360 have many supporters that overlook bad news concerning their products and feel the need to bash Nintendo if given the chance because for whatever reason they view Nintendo as beneath them or kiddy games because of their cartoon characters. It’s not going to change. Too bad supposed Nintendo fan sites care more about clicks than they do about promoting good news and positivity. So there really isn’t anywhere safe to go to to converse and discuss news/games/ etc. Too many idiot trolls with no lives who ruin it on sites like this. Too few articles pro Nintendo on sites like IGN and Destructoid. Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are not exiting the industry. They are all committed and successful in many respects with Nintendo having the healthiest balance sheet. Only absolute clueless idiots who don’t understand how to read financials and like to talk out their ass think there is even a remote possibility Nintendo would fold and sell their software on other consoles. Really, it’s beyond ignorant and unfortunately rampant. You have people thinking Amazon is a candidate to buy Nintendo when Amazon has almost never made money and isn’t as successful yet somehow Nintendo is supposed to sell to them? Or Apple? I swear the financial literacy in this world is lacking. http://www.ibtimes.com/amazon-nearly-20-years-business-it-still-doesnt-make-money-investors-dont-seem-care-1513368 The Wii U will still have a lead over Xbone at the end of the year. Wonder if we’ll see half the doom and gloom we see about Nintendo? Magnus Gonzalez I know this will be a popular topic to discuss. I just want to remind you all that the Wii U is getting Mario Kart, Smash Brothers…already got Donkey Kong and Pikmin 3 and is set to announce Zelda U at E3. We buy consoles to play games. Nintendo is making those great games. Yes they have not come at a great pace and have taken longer then you’d like. There’s also X (next Xenoblade) and all I see left for 1st party that hasn’t been announced or rumored to be announced are a 3D Mario, Metroid, Star Fox, Kirby, Pokeman, F-Zero. I’m going to assume, albeit skeptically, that one or more of those will also come over the next couple of years…maybe hinted at E3. Since you buy consoles to play games, and Nintendo is in the process of delivering those, sales should not matter to you. I get the interest regarding financial releases and just by purchasing their products you are a shareholder. But you aren’t a stock holder, so if you aren’t trading it shouldn’t matter to you. Please let’s keep the hyperbole to a minimum. Let’s also not compare the financials to different larger competitors who are involved in other businesses as it isn’t apples to apples necessarily. Nor should you care how the sales compare to Xbox One or PS4. Those consoles just finished there launch windows and are facing the same headwinds the Wii U did. Their story is yet to be told. We all get Iwata has failed miserably on the Wii U launch like he promised wouldn’t happen after his failed 3DS launch. But like the 3DS when it got games, the same thing is possible with the Wii U. The big system sellers have not been released yet (Kart, Smash, 3D Mario, Zelda) so we haven’t even begun to scratch the surface of the console’s appeal. Realistically we will know the Wii U’s viability for 2015 and beyond in about 1 month. Either the Kart bundles sell 2+ million over the summer, or it provides just a minor blip. The former ensures continued support into 2016, the latter means a newer console even sooner. Either way, the Wii U at its price point is already worth it and only getting stronger with each added big game release. If you are that one dude who is waiting on Metroid..or when that comes out says they are waiting on Star Fox…or some other game to justify you not buying the console…then maybe you should just not…and not pretend to be a Nintendo fan and stop coming on here. There’s a few of you on here like that. We aren’t fooled. This thread should bring out the trolls. Pay attention. If they relish in the bad news and make doom and gloom pronouncements than recognize their true intentions on here and don’t in the future converse with them as anything but a troll. They aren’t interested in truly discussing or sharing news and information about the Wii U unless it’s negative. So keep track of their names and hopefully we can make them go away by ignoring them. For fun I will compile all their names in a response to this so you will know exactly who they are. Zuxs13 I have to agree, in the case of a Nintendo system the sales don’t really “matter” because they will support the system for at least 2-3 more years and we will see 12-16 first party titles each of those years. That being said it still sucks to see them lose money though, as it can make them less willing to “push the limits” for their next generations of consoles and as a gamer that does concern me. I don’t want another GC-PS2-Xbox, generation where all the consoles were the same and the difference this time around would be Sony won’t have a game Monopoly, but i still don’t want three very similar machines. Magnus Gonzalez even that gen Nintendo made vastly different hardware choices. If anything I would think this would prompt them to become even more willing to push the limits because frankly, they’ve lost 3rd party so now they don’t have to pretend at all to appease them and can just focus on some crazy set up to maximize their 1st party without having to take 3rd part into account whatsoever. Should be interesting, and I agree, def don’t want things too similar. Zuxs13 True the GCN sold “porrly” and then we saw a vastly different approach with the Wii. I just hope we dont get a Wii U 1.5. I like the idea of the “Fusion” concept and in 3 years the specs will be pretty good still. But for now I am excited for what games are to come for the Wii U. blasterman 12-16? How many came out the first 4 months of this year? Zuxs13 There was 14 First party Nintendo games on the Wii U last year alone, PS3 had 16. There have been 2 first party so far this year, and 2 more if you count NES remix. matthew garcia That is way to much writing. Go write a book somewhere else Magnus Gonzalez ha ha troll number one rears his head lmao matthew garcia Call me whatever but a an upsessed fanboy only writes a comment that long lol Magnus Gonzalez except I don’t own a Wii U but plan to…other than that you are 100% right..ha ha. idiot matthew garcia Do u have down syndrome Magnus Gonzalez no, my brother Daniel might Magnus Gonzalez and it’s ‘obsessed’ genius Zuxs13 Look at that game attachment rate! Though the hardware sales suck, the Attach rate is pretty damn good. Early in a console life cycle and the Wii U is around a 6:1 attachment rate, PS4 is at around 2.9:1 and Xbox1 is 2.9:1 (The GC was less than 6:1 and the Wii as just over 6:1) That’s a small positive, though we don’t know what they counting as software and what they are not counting so it’s not a definitive positive. Virus6 I think it perspective it isn’t too bad. Look at how bad Sony did this past year. Besides, haven’t we been hearing about this for about the past 5 months now? This isn’t new at all. blasterman THQ went bankrupt therefore Sony and Nintendo are great! Sony lost lots of money so it doesn’t matter if Nintendo loses money! Don’t go into business! Ducked Nintendo fan logic: Wii U sales continue to struggle in 2013 Nintendo Fans: “Just wait until Super Mario 3D World and Wind Waker is out!” *Nintendo Wii U sales continue to struggle after a small rise* Nintendo Fans: “Just wait until Mario Kart 8 is out!” *Wii U sales rise in May and June and start to struggle again* Nintendo Fans: “Just wait until Smash is out!” *Smash lifts Wii U sales for the holiday, but sales continue to struggle in January* Nintendo Fans: “Just wait until the next Legend of Zelda is out!” *Wii U sales continue to struggle after Zelda* Nintendo Fans: “Just wait until Nintendo’s next console to release!” Seriously, worry about Nintendo delivering high quality software over Nintendo rising sales. blasterman Hardware sales drive software sales. Software sales generate profits. Nintendo needs profits. Continued losses generated by a platform will result in said platforms elimination. Should people worry? Yes if they care about the money they spent on the hardware. Rinslowe I think anything starting with “fan logic” or anything like that which attempts to stereo type or marginalise a certain demographic by finger pointing – is plain “lame” You out to start fanboy wars or whats your deal? Ducked Yes I am out to start fanboy wars, whats your deal? Rinslowe By “deal” you would be referring to what? Am I also marginalising a demographic? Not really my style… Ducked I’m not sure, you shouldn’t ask yourself that. Rinslowe I was asking you. And reaffirming in a general sense that “marginalising a demographic” as in you know, what your post is – was not my style. But if you were simply asking in the general sense, “whats your deal?” then I’d probably say I’m dealing a full house… Ducked Your dealing a full house then. We can agree on something. Rinslowe Well that depends haha. What it means… to you… 🙂 Ducked I don’t get offended, I take the positive out of what you said. Rinslowe Well, if you noticed I also acknowledged the positive in your message. Pity I had to read the first three quarters of meh to get to it. But hey, over it. 🙂 Daniel Gonzalez Fanboy war or not, you pointed out the truth. People are easily offended apparently. 😛 Ducked Yes they are. Rinslowe Indeed you are. lol Gonzalez ever the cheery fellow… Daniel Gonzalez Well said. Rinslowe Hahahaha! Ducked Why Thank You, someone sees it. Assassinated23 I believed it for the first one, but their continued failures have led me to stop believing they can save WiiU. Shaise I am guilty of doing that. Now I’ve realised it’s the current leadership of Nintendo using a “carrot and stick” method. Pinky Peach Thing is, they do release high quality software….. So in my sight of things I don’t understand all this Wii U problem… Keith Well dipstick, if the Wii U fails then we get little to no releases. And.if we get little to no releases then we wasted $300 on a home console cause we trusted Nintendo to increase the Wii U’s sales!! Get it together kid!! MerryBlind . Well personally, I didn’t think 3D World and Wind Waker and DK would make the sales rise that much (though it did work for me since I bought a Wii U for those games last Christmas). HOWEVER, I think you are underestimating the popularity of Mario Kart and Smash. A lot of people who don’t follow video games that much and who don’t play that much, etc. etc. will see Mario Kart 8 at some point, somewhere, at a store, at a friend’s house, on TV (hopefully if Nintendo aren’t being retarded again), etc. and will rush to buy a Wii U the very same day just because they feel like playing Mario Kart. The people who don’t know about the Wii U, who don’t even know it exists, are the very same ones who will buy one on impulse just for one game. Mario Didn’t Iwata said that he would step down as CEO if this were to happen again? Zuxs13 On a side note this is a pretty good read about how Mega64 did the E3 press release video the other day. Some pretty cool facts in here. http://nintendoeverything.com/mega64-shares-various-tidbits-about-making-nintendos-e3-2014-announcement-video/#more-158956 David John Gifford Not worried nintendo has been around for over 100 years no company coould open there doors witgout a gross profit somewhere WiiUPS4 Well atleast nintendo is the only company reporting a loss..even sony reported a huge loss Shaise This is just more and more reason to get a more enthusiastic leader. FutureFox Nintendo wants to move 3.6 million consoles when actual sales are trending downward? They didn’t even make their 2.8 million goal this past year and that’s with Mario and DK! Somebody at that company seriously needs to remove the dart board and put the blindfolds in the spin cycle. MerryBlind . Because Mario Kart 8, Smash, and many ‘niche’ games are coming. MANY people will buy a Wii U JUST for MK8. MANY will buy a Wii U JUST for Smash too. Some RPG lovers will buy one just for X. Some Bayonetta fans will buy one just for Bayonetta 2. MANY will buy one this coming holidays if Nintendo do a good job at e3 to spread the words on their current and future library of game. Psytrix Unfortunately, they’ll be the ONLY games you’ll be playing. MerryBlind . What are you talking about? There are already plenty of games I haven’t played, and the ones mentioned above are already a lot to look forward to. Plus, there are more coming that I haven’t mentioned, and you can be certain there will be more in the future that haven’t even been announced yet. And there’s Zelda coming out at some point, I don’t care when, I’m not impatient like most people seem to be today, and this game alone will make the Wii U worth having. Squid Mario kart 8 is gonna boost sales. Shootdatrupee!… You must be terribly optimistic. Remember how the GC had Mario Kart(heck, it was even the platform’s best selling game) but only moved ~20M regardless? Squid I never said it was gonna make wii u go crazy in sales. I just meant exactly what I said, it will boost sales. Jonathan Dogey Hey it’s just the truth being reported. Wii U sucks financially. But it is a great system and I’m playing some of the greatest video games ever made here. Rinslowe From a $ for $ standpoint it may just be MS’ Xbox One which isn’t “sucking” financially. Both Sony and Nintendo’s profits are being affected by relatively the same thing. R&D cost recuperation, parts & assembly costs, shipping and handling costs. And lower retail price points. MS’s higher price point may just be allowing them a road back to black faster than the other two and the innards are pretty common… Nintendo does however have quite a healthy attach rate. And the margins are in the software. Marioman21 Now I am depressed :(. leo So when is Iwata getting fired eahy? Shootdatrupee!… Heh. Don’t worry about it. They’ve lost less money these three years combined than they made in the first year of the 3DS. devmiles it was even on the dutch news (and we are not even sensational) you can easily say that it is going totally the wrong way with nintendo and that they really have to come up with a constructive solution. nintendo will always remain a very (the best) handheld manufacturer ever.. BUT! the tablet and smartphone market has been on an attack there too. The worst news is that the xbox one (not even available in Holland) has more sales in Holland through German import than All sold Wii-u’s here. It’s unbelievable how they can fuck up sooo bad, why all thet VC crap, why 4 IP titles a year.. fuck that shit. If nintendo won’t change and i’m dead serious despite the fact that i really love their products, they will make handhelds and make their IP’s for sony and microsoft. fanboy, ”what are you talking about loser” hey young boy around the corner…remember sega?