Earlier this week we told you that Edge Magazine would have a big feature on Miyamoto in next month’s issue, discussing several of the franchises he helped create, as well as his opinions on the current game industry. It’s not surprising to see a few of these quotes leak from the magazine and one that is particularly fascinating is one in which Miyamoto says that he finds the passive attitude of casual gamers as “pathetic.” Here’s the full quote: “[These are] the sort of people who, for example, might want to watch a movie. They might want to go to Disneyland Their attitude is, ‘okay, I am the customer. You are supposed to entertain me.’ It’s kind of a passive attitude they’re taking, and to me it’s kind of a pathetic thing. They do not know how interesting it is if you move one step further and try to challenge yourself [with more advanced games]. Of course, the magazine does make mention that this is the first time any Nintendo executive has stated their thoughts on the casual gamer and it could potentially hint at a shift from pleasing casual gamers to the more well-rounded gaming audience. Nintendo has always gotten flak for being perceived as casual-friendly, when really their image is more about maintaining a family-friendly vibe. Anyone who has played Donkey Kong Country Returns or Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze can tell you just how hardcore some of those levels can be. The interview in the magazine goes further, with Miyamoto stating that smartphone gaming has taken some of the pressure off of Nintendo to create games that appeal to a mass audience. In the days of DS and Wii, Nintendo tried its best to expand the gaming population. Fortunately, because of the spread of smart devices, people take games for granted now. It’s a good thing for us, because we do not have to worry about making games something that are relevant to general people’s daily lives. Does this mark a turning point for Nintendo? Will we see more games that are focused on the experience, rather than accessibility as in the past? We certainly hope so, since it could mean the return of games like Fatal Frame to the West. local_offer edge magazine Nintendo Shigeru Miyamoto wii u stars Further Reading Nintendo shares up 20% since Switch launch What's your dumbest death in Breath of the Wild? Mario Kart 8 Switch vs Wii U comparison Miyamoto shot down this stamina regen idea for BoTW Nintendo Network maintenance this week Nintendo releases Zelda: Breath of the Wild a Rich Garriques will , nothing to see here , just the truth. Wren Justin Umlauf Soooo can we have more Metroid now? =D Mayoo And Star Fox And Mario RPG URFTBOUND4LIFE . Starfox is in the works.Plus, We already have the Mario and Luigi series which is the spiritual successor to Mario RPG Dunkers7 Correct fine sir! ScrewAttack Needs more paper mario! Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3 And one that doesn’t suck like Sticker Star. ScrewAttack Goes without saying! 😀 makkan yes we need a paper mario U Michael Legault Paper Mario using the new Zelda engine! URFTBOUND4LIFE . How the hell would that even work? Michael Legault large open world, ideally a battle style like chrono trigger where fights happen in the same world you run around in. Obviously change the art style to be paper Mario… Even as just a Mario rpg it could be great. Manuel Molina You just gave Nintendo an idea that I’m sure they won’t run with since they don’t use good ideas for Mario these days. Michael Legault God, I’d be happy if anybody used that idea XD ScrewAttack I can’t imagine how that’d work, but I’m sure it’d be great. EDIT: Should’ve read your next comment ;p Sounds like an amalgamation of play styles from the first three PMs. nin-10-doughfan and conduit 3 perhaps? ScrewAttack I never got into Conduit, but I wouldn’t say no to an oppurtunity to do so on Wii U. Especially since, isn’t it an FPS? Could do with a good FPS. Ari Margo If only one of those was as good as SMRPG:LotSS. Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3 I’ve never played that game; I hope it’s added to the Wii U VC in the future. Michael Legault You can still get it on the wii VC, I’d say it is worth it you can off screen play but can’t use the gamepad buttons Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3 I don’t have a Classic Controller man. I’m not about to get it this late just so I can play. See this is exactly what Nintendo wants. They don’t wanna spend the resources to bring those legacy titles to Wii U so to save themselves money, they’re gonna brainwash people into going into the Wii Mode on the Wii U just so they can play them and make people who never had a Wii or a Classic Controller waste money. If we were like 4 years in the past, sure I would’ve done that had also known that the Virtual Console actually existed then. But now that we’re here in the present, it’s utterly pointless. They’re hurting themselves in the process by doing this. Until I see more legacy SNES and N64 titles on the VC or some remakes, I’m not shelling out money. I can wait; I’m not gonna waste resources where I can save them. And Nintendo wonders why not many customers are flocking to Wii U as they wanted, because they’re pulling this horrendous stunts. Sure I like playing off screen on the GamePad but if I have to break out my Wii Remote just so then I can plug the Classic Controller into it? No, no thanks. Manuel Molina Doesn’t that help people by allowing them to use their old devices and not throw them away? By that, it gives the old devices purpose if you decided to sell your Wii, transfer your information to the Wii U, and just didn’t want to get rid of the old controllers like Xbox One and the PS4 forced people to do? Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3 Well yes but you see, I never used the Virtual Console on Wii. I didn’t know it existed until a couple years ago I’d never connected my Wii to the Internet so I didn’t know. Therefore I never got the Classic Controller. For someone in my position it would be convenient if Nintendo could put it on the Virtual Console on Wii U since it would save me money that can go towards more games. So I also have no VC games on Wii to transfer over. Seriously though I’m not gonna waste batteries on my Wii Remote just so I can use a Classic Controller. Nintendo better deliver. The people who already have the games and controller benefit while I don’t. steveb944 I had VC games that I could play with the Wii remote. Since I upgraded to the U I got a Classic Controller Pro? and I don’t regret it. It’s not just you won’t find use for it, it’ll open up a vast library of games for you to try out. Really you don’t even want to throw a cpl batteries into a Wii remote? You’re hopelessly waiting for Nintendo to do an update to VC. Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3 Again this is the most frugal excuse Nintendo is using just so they don’t have to spend money to get it onto the Wii U. I don’t doubt that, as I’ve viewed the list of games in the Wii Virtual Console. No I don’t honestly, unless I get rechargeable. Hopelessly? Ha, Nintendo is gonna do it man. Just watch they will bring more VC games to Wii U that are on Wii right now.unless they make an official announcement that they won’t do that in the near future, I am waiting it out. Manuel Molina I understand your point, as you wouldn’t have to purchase the control; however, if you didn’t get the Wii U, how would you play some of these games if you didn’t get the controller? To be frank, playing N64 games or any other games on the GamePad is not ideal in my opinion. Using the Classic or even the Pro is a huge upgrade worth the purchase. Also, for 10 dollars on Amazon, it’s worth it in the end. But nevertheless, I do see your point. Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3 If I didn’t I’d probably end up purchasing at some point after not having Wii U for too long. I’m not saying I don’t have the means to get it but rather that I want to invest wisely. Well even if so I like playing games on the TV even though the game pad is convenient. I just hope that by the end of this year or early next year they make some announcement on GameCube and N64 games coming to Wii U. URFTBOUND4LIFE . There’s always emulators… Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3 No I’m not going the cheap way. I’m hardcore so I’ll only get my games the hardcore way. URFTBOUND4LIFE . It’s a great game. Good characters,story and gameplay. A true classic. what I posted earlier was nit-picking and pointing out how the other games have improved. I’m not sure if its still on the Wii shop but it’s worth a look. Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3 I don’t have a Classic Controller so I can’t get it for Wii. URFTBOUND4LIFE . Have you played LotSS lately? I have and what I’ve found is the game is still good but noticed the game does not have the best combat. Most of the time you can just get by with just spamming normal attacks. There’s no depth or strategy in battles(with the exception of Culex and Smithy’s final form) and it’s waay too easy and I was playing the game naked with all characters (no armor weapons or accessories). The Paper Mario games and the M&L games made vast improvements actually had consequences for the choices you made so you couldn’t just spam your way through battles Thousand Year Door and Bowsers Inside Story are just as good as the first one Ari Margo Nope! 😀 Full on nostalgia mode! Rodrigo Pirate Super Mario RPG was never good. It’s just that some people played it when they were little and you know how kids are dumb. URFTBOUND4LIFE . Think you’re confusing SMRPG with FF Mystic Quest…. When it first came out it was good but it has aged a bit over the years. It’s still a fun game though. TheBoldman67 And F-Zero. Jeffery02 I agree. It’s great that we get F-Zero stuff in the Mario Kart 8 DLC later, but it’s just not the same as actual F-Zero. I hope this MK8 stuff is a hint at future projects. PachterStation F-Zero GX with all the AX tracks on the Wii U would do me fine, even if I’m not a fan of remakes. Strange that the AX tracks are on the disc, but can only be accessed using an Action Replay disc that lets you enter codes. Somehow, I can’t see a sequel to GX happening for years. I’d much prefer Wave Race 4 to be honest. Rinslowe Haha exactly! TheRedButterfly Let’s hope so! Fred I just read that part of the interview in the magazine were about Xenoblade Chronicles X and the world in that game is more than 5 times larger than in Xenoblade!!! Tecpedz94 and new ips no? Louie Splatoon, Bayonetta, Devils third, Xenoblade X coming soon. Wonderful 101 and ZombiU out now. Anon Bayonetta is 3rd party. nin-10-doughfan it would be aaaaaaawesome! zinger Yes. And Waverace while they’re at it. DashGamer RETIRE OLD MAN. Deadpool U ….What’s wrong with you? DashGamer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e_dJHLsuPM 5aga he wants youtube views ScrewAttack Aaaaaaand here’s this week’s new troll! matthew garcia Never really heard this guy talk much. Seems like a good honest man and a genuine gamer Divaitiie! He’s arguably the greatest developer/designer/director in the video games world AND of ALL-TIMES! tho, “Pathetic” is a strong word, I hope the casuals won’t take it seriously. matthew garcia Pathetic is a word I wouldn’t use he could have said it differently. I mean you wouldn’t have heard him say that towards casuals last gen since casuals were the millions that bought a Wii. Divaitiie! Yeah … now that I think about it, this new kinda make him a hypocrite. I’m still love the guy tho XD. matthew garcia He’s definitely a legend C4 But they tried to bring casuals closer to core gaming. To some degree I’d even say they succeeded, Wii brought gaming to people who otherwise probably wouldn’t have got into gaming. Some of them left, some kept gaming, although not necessarily on Nintendo platforms and some went to other casual platforms (mobile) Divaitiie! I never said it was a bad thing :P. Infact, I think it was a very good thing of them to did that, u know, brought the gaming world to the real world … but now he’s criticized the majority of Wii owners aka casuals aka parents and kids who had helped his company dominated last-gen … I kinda think it’s a little bit of hypocritical. David Trail The Wii was never a casual console. It was marketed as one in order to sell. Games like Sin and Punishment, DKC, Zack and Wiki prove me correct. Divaitiie! I think when he said it was for casuals he meant It was for everyone, kinda like smartphones or tablets. Where they have games for casuals and games for gamers and hardcore gamers. the PS4/360 were just for gamers I believe … atleast in the early years. Later, the Kinect and PS Move and some of their games helped to attracted more casuals. matthew garcia They sure had a lot of old people playing Wii sports Divaitiie! My Dad love wii. He love Just Dance! it’s his best and only video game that he had ever played. LOL. For me it’s xenoblade and Skyward. matthew garcia I loved xenoblade Daniel Gonzalez I think his words, are a bit hypocritical considering the Wii was all about reeling in those casuals with the likes of Wii Fit, Wii Sports and Wii Music as examples. Rinslowe Well to be fair he does go part way to explaining that, as a drive to find new markets. And its quite obvious he personally no longer sees that as a worthwhile direction – if he ever really did. In fact it seems he’s quietly happy their game design is not shackled to the casual model. I can see where he’s coming from with that one. Yes the Wii was a success. And it attracted many casual gamers and games to suit their tastes. But lets not forget Miyamoto is an individual creative lead. Not the sole representation of Nintendo as a whole. And from memory I don’t think any of his own personal projects could really be said to fit that category. So it may look hypocritical, but perhaps we’re just seeing one man as part of a larger entity – expressing his personal opinion on “casual” gaming in general. Still, it was a different Miyamoto that day, lol… At the least, I’m sure he’s professional enough to get the job done on the hardware platform decided on and find as many ways to connect those projects to as large an audience as possible when that’s the task imposed. He may have a lot of influence on game creation, but he’s not the only voice on Nintendo’s direction… TehEngineer There is one casual Miyamoto project – Wii Music Rinslowe Ok fair enough, but you get the point. 🙂 matthew garcia I’m with ya on that. Wii was probably the most casual console ever made. Still had it’s core base though of loyal followers. crocodileman94 Casuals won’t even know he said it. bigevilworldwide Pathetic would be the word for all you tardcore gamers licking at his little jiz stain here, considering HE and his entire company are completely responsible for the entire focus on casuals… The release the most casual cash cow console that all the grandma’s and soccer moms wanted so they could waggle their wrist at bowling and use their NOT EXERCISE Wii Fit…And then when they move on he and Nintendo get butthurt and call it pathetic Yeah I guess if your a retard that isn’t at all hypocritical TehEngineer He was talking about smartphone gaming being pathetic. Not the Wii Rinslowe I suspect they’ll be pretty “casual” about the whole thing. Not to worry… Merry_Blind Interesting to see him happy with the spreading and popularity of smartphones gaming. Mayoo And yet, Nintendo’s own Wii actually opened the casual gaming era. Cooking Mama anyone? At least they now realized it and are coming up with great titles for the Wii U. matthew garcia Very true. Nintendo pretty much invented the modern casual gaming market with the Wii and ds David Trail I think Sony invented the original casual market as they included cds and dvd players in their consoles and thus luring in the casuals who aren’t generally into games. MichelChartrand I think a casual who wasn’t that into games in 1997 would have probably just bought a DVD or CD player rather than mess around with getting them to work on tv. Casual goes way back though. There were a lot of Tetris players on game boy. And I’m sure it goes further than that. Probably ever since solitaire was first released on computer. 🙂 Divaitiie! I think that the Wii, DS and Smartphone/Tablets are the one that responsible for the casuals players. Before 2005. People playing games are stereotyped as nerds, weirdo or just plain losers. But now, playing games is the hottest trend in the world. David Trail Nope a lot of casuals were in to the ps1 becuase they thought it was cool. matthew garcia Final fantasy tactics, metal gear solid, xenogears were definitely not casual. You must not know your gaming history David Trail I never siad those games were casual. I said 80- 90% of playstation gamers are casual. Divaitiie! Oh so the Wii is not cool and NOT casuals ? Is that what you’re trying to said -__- ? Dude, seriously, the Wii is like the most casuals, family, friendly console I have ever played it on! ( I love it tho ) It got sold over 100+ Millions units and over 900 Millions games were greatly thanks to the casuals. Accept it or not, casuals made the Wii dominated last-gen. David Trail DKC, Sin and Punishment, Zack and Wiki, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Mad World disprove you. David Trail not really they may have been interested slightly in games and couldn’t resist the game/ cd combo. matthew garcia So what does that make pc gamers then. All consoles have a casual audience including Nintendo David Trail Not nearly as much as the casual Playstation or Xbox audience. Rinslowe I’m not sure its really related like that. But Wii U is definitely getting its fair share of great titles over the next 12 months… ActivesiN good, now he can focus on us his actual fans DashGamer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_8KR-n2fBQ Epicstuf no DashGamer Yes, fanboy. Divaitiie! I don’t get it. fireheartis1 What the hell does the best duel in Hall and Oats have to do with this article? Nothing that’s what. Miyamoto is a great developer who knows how to create great games. Thanks for the great music, but it does not apply to Mr. Miyamoto. Dáibhí wotshissurname What Miyamoto’s saying may be true, but the thing is we are the consumer, and we want to be your bitch. If I want to be a chocolate company’s bitch, I expect them to please me, same with videogames. It’s just business. I find his opinions very interesting, though, and I greatly look forward to this interview. Sleepyhun I rather take his opinion than the “push button and awesome” or the “complexity is evil” path. Merry_Blind That’s not really what he meant… He’s talking about the approach “casuals” have towards gaming, in that, they don’t expect a challenge, they don’t expect to have to make an effort, they don’t expect to have to think, etc. They just want to be fed images while pressing buttons. Miyamoto probably realizes that by gathering to that passive audience, it makes their games less attractive to actual gamers who expect to have to overcome challenges, who expect to put their skills to the test, who want to perform, etc. Also, not only does that audience require shallower, simpler, easier experiences, but they don’t get invested in games (because they don’t care enough, but also because the casual experience they like isn’t engaging at all) and are thus not reliable consumers. It’s not worth cultivating the casuals, because no matter what you do, they won’t stick. Nintendo learned that the hard way going from the Wii to the Wii U expecting the casuals to follow the “Wii” name. C4 Yes, it was beyond painful to observe last gen. Glad he realizes that. matthew garcia Great points, spot on Divaitiie! I’m his bitch. Zorpix Did not expect such bluntness from him. I like it though. Daniel Carvalho That took me by surprise as well. We from the “hardcore” side of gaming always knew that, and some even despise “casual” gamers because of that attitude, so it’s kinda of a common sense within the gaming community, but to hear that from Miyamoto, a guy that, alongside Iwata, believed that public would be the target for their HD console so much they actually ignored their fan base in order to cater to them… That is something I never thought I’d see… Glad they’re back to the tracks now, and are making things that sell for those who want to buy the games they develop again! Thomas Vienna Nintendo has been doing a lot of things to surprise us lately. MichelChartrand Actually they tried to appeal to the hard core, or core gamer going all the way back to the first E3 reveal. They just had an uphill battle trying to shed the casual image. The media of course didn’t help as it’s been trying to hate on Nintendo for a long time. And the power of the console itself isn’t only what makes it hard core. More innovation would appeal to a hard core gamer, I believe the game pad and other styles of play are part of the “try something new” he speaks of. Too many “hard core” gamers are content doing the same things they’ve been doing for years. Trying something different is not something they like. Daniel Carvalho I love the way Nintendo innovates the gaming industry every generation. The Gamepad is something I see being way more successful than the Wii Remote this mid-late generation, but the way Nintendo neglected it in order to “give the same experience for 3DS owners as they have on their portable” really infuriates me. Hopefully the upcoming Zelda and Xenoblade X games (alongside others) will use it to its fullest, because 2013 first party titles didn’t even try to! Nintendo’s problem with their appeal to the hardcore public earlier was the way they made the casuals a priority. Commercials would show kids with graphics and a creepy smiling family instead of showing the actual games, and that left many possible Wii U owners uncertain if the console had what they wanted. Commercial for gamers who actually wanted their games? None! Fortunately things have been changing slowly, and with that statement we can say for sure things are going to be the way they should have been from the start. darkcreap Agreed. I am upset by how traditional gamers despise motion control or touch controls in favour of button and joystick gamepads for certain games. I played shooters for the first time on PC, so I cannot understand how people can use anything less precise than a mouse to control shooters. I wouldn’t be able to control Call of Duty without a Wiimote, because it is the most similar thing to a mouse. I cannot use the joysticks efficiently for pointing. I find them imprecise and counter intuitive. Yes, motion and touch controls don’t work well on each game. Nintendo shouldn’t have shoehorned motion controls on certain games (I am looking at you Donkey Kong Country Returns), but they provide better controlling for certain games. TW101 allowed you to either use the right joystick or the touch screen to make unite morphs. Well, after trying both, I found the touchscreen more precise and intuitive than the right joystick. Pointing with a joystick is so weird because you have to “integrate” the movement, while the mouse and the wiimote are a direct translation of your hand movement. Kopazo~ There is actually a huge investigation about this on the “game theory” channel, if you guys haven’t checked it out, search for “game theory: are gamers killing video games?” Where after atacking wii u in his first part, they recognize how Nintendo is always trying to inovate while ourselves stick to the same of always Michael Legault The wii u has the most hard core features, off tv play means you can play as long as you want. PS4 is going to let you have someone else play your game for you if you think it’s too hard… Zorpix I’m very excited to see what decisions come from this attitude as well William Cole This dude has had everything to do with even the top 10 best selling games of all time. (except tetris) I’ll play whatever he makes. Hopefully he can speak some sense into Yuji Horii about more Dragon Quest. Since Reggie can’t. crocodileman94 “I’ll play whatever he makes” Even Wii Music? Daniel Gonzalez Lol. I’m sure there are some limits to be set there. William Cole Oh God, forgive me if you assumed I liked that! It’s like the Super Mario Bros. Movie, it happened but don’t speak of it again. ScrewAttack That movie’s my guilty pleasure. Divaitiie! LOL. I love it! fireheartis1 I know this wasn’t a question for me, but I actually love Wii Music. It’s not the most accurate game in the world, but conducting my own Symphony and choosing the Mii with the right music note is always fun. There’s just something fun about that game that I can’t explain. DJKeens Amen. Blunt yes but truth. I admit some of this casual games can be fun but I forget about em usually after the first day if they even get that far. Agree completely and hopefully this is a muddled sign that Nintendo will return solely to the core. crocodileman94 So they realised that the smartphone market has caught the casuals that bought their consoles last gen. bistricky Miyamoto …. leading the NEW “ass-kicking” Nintendo … HAI (yes) 😀 Rinslowe Nah I think its easy to look too much into this one. Nintendo moving away from casual gamers? Who knows. All the guy really said was that its kind of pathetic to expect to be entertained only, with no real participation or initiative. And I would agree with him. greengecko007 I don’t really like this, but as always with these things, some “benefit of the doubt” is deserved. Maybe he didn’t mean it exactly as it’s presented to us. In my opinion, I believe that it is the developers’ job to create an entertaining experience when it comes to video games. Challenge is welcome on varying degrees depending on the person, but entertainment is always what matters. If you aren’t having fun doing a hobby, why bother doing it? Falcoxcalibur Great honest words from the master. Lead the way Mr. Miyamoto, I’ll continue following you. Daniel Gonzalez I thought it should have been obvious that casual gamers are only looking to be entertained rather than be challenged and put to the test. Nice to see that Nintendo is sticking to their guns this time and not pleasing the casual audience, who aren’t traditional gamers by any stretch. It’s not to say that it’s bad thing if Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft want to cater to these casuals, but it shouldn’t be their primary focus. IMO, let the mobile market take care of consumers who just want cheap experiences. Only thing that’s odd about the interview, is that all gamers want to be entertained, so not sure what Miyamoto was trying to say there. Perhaps a mistranslation. nWo4liFe I think, ultimately, Nintendo hoped that by grabbing a casual audience, they could introduce them into becoming “hardcore” gamers. It sort of worked a bit, but those left to the Playstation, which in my opinion, will offer a balance between casual and hardcore, instead of their initial focus; I suppose this is what happens when you sell too much. At this point, Nintendo knows they have everything against them, but they have everything going for them on their part. They should shift away from baby sitting their consumers, and realize that the majority of Wii U owners, are hardcore Nintendo fans. All of those Wii owners game on smart phones and bought PS4s. Their recent collaborations, the DLC announcement, and his statements kinda give you shades of the old Nintendo. Rinslowe It doesn’t look like he’s having an issue with entertaining gamers. Just the ones that want the entertainment without so much of the interaction. Which is likely why he referenced movies and theme parks etc. I also doubt he has any issues with either movies or theme parks either. But they do make a good parallel with the idea of being passively entertaining. David Trail I always said the PS4 and Xbox One were for casuals. If you consider yourself a hard core gamer the Wii U is the place for you with titles such as DKC TF, Wonderful 101, Zombi U, Monster Hunter Ultimate, Zelda: Wind Waker HD,NSMBU, New Luigi Bros U, Pikmin 3, Lego City Under Cover,SM3DW, Bayonetta 2 and Smash etc etc! Merry_Blind Not necessarily. There are a lot of ‘hardcore’ gamers on both the Xbox and Playsation consoles; I should know, my console of choice last gen was the PS3, and trust me, I’m no casual gamers. But sure, a large portion of their audience are ‘casuals’ who only play CoD or Fifa. Divaitiie! I’m one, but it’s not really a proud thing to said in the public to be fucking honest, maybe on this site and/or Internet game communities :P. Oh and you forgot PC. Marioman21 Agreed Dexrobo I think the PS4 and Xbox One are have more “hardcore” games (shooters, more gritty games) but I think the Wii U has more variety. Fred Don’t forget Xenoblade Chronicles X!!! Tarek Ghandour what Tarek Ghandour Apologies, you’re right, PlayStation is only for the casuals because games like Final Fantasy 1 that never made hundreds of games due to failure, Dark Souls the easier game ever made & one of the worst games ever created “The Last Of Us” are too casual compared to deep and complicated Mario Kart 8, Super Mario Bros & Wii Sports. Dont get me wrong i love Nintendo & the Wii, you should think about what you’re saying before letting your mouth ride the hate train, friend. Bayonetta 1 came from PS btw, just more proof that you’re judging without any research. Daniel Gonzalez Expect that from Davey. I do love the sarcasm, as it’s justified. David Trail There is no point in sarcasm when we know New Luigi Bros U is much harder than TLOU which is a casual movie like game which requires no skill to play. David Trail NSMBU and New Luigi Bros U are way harder than TLOU. ruzarek You closed with , but you never opened it…so your argument is invalid oontz So since you own a PS4… you’re calling yourself a casual? David Trail I don’t own a ps4 dude lol. oontz Well it’s funny that all the times you typed “I own a PS4” it turns out it was your brothers and not yours. Daniel Gonzalez I knew I wasn’t the only one who heard him mentioning he owned one. Isn’t hard to expose this fanboy. Lol. MewtwoWillBeBack Thanks Miyamoto for naming meh “pathetic”… (I suck at gaming ;_; ScrewAttack Do you try to do better? Casuals don’t. Korv13 My friend, a person isn’t a gamer by his abilities in games but by is knowledge about gaming in general. I am really bad when I play the 2D Marios but that doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate the quality of these games. When you are beginning to know about the gaming platforms, the franchises, the gaming companies, the different types of games and are able to discuss about them, I think you can call yourself a gamer. And as ScrewAttack mention beside my post, you can see it in you reaction when you see a challenge in a game. Casuals usually don’t try to overcome the challenge. Gamers will try to overcome it or will be able to explain the deficiencies in the game if there is some. Finally, people who are following gaming news to know, for example, if Mewtwo is going to be in the next Smash aren’t usually what I call casuals… 😉 David Trail PS4 and Xbox One fans are pathetic casuals who play Fifa and COD all the time and they are stuck in a comfort zone. Superxtreme You can’t generalize all the fans. That’s like saying all Wii U fans are pathetic casuals who play Just Dance. It’s just not true my friend. David Trail COD and Fifa is the ps4s top selling game. 80 to 90% of ps4 owners are casual/ pathetic gamers. matthew garcia Get over yourself. We all know your the most genuine gamer of all time lol and you know everything David Trail Correct. Divaitiie! I thought it’s AC and COD. Either ways, that’s not true, ( I mean the pathetic thingy) matthew garcia What is it that you do that doesn’t involve games. Is there anything else cuz if there isn’t that could be pathetic David Trail I do loads. This is just an internet site silly boy. matthew garcia Good cuz I might not wanna know what else you do. Sorry for asking David Trail I just had an interview for a sales position in a leisure centre today. I play football, I go to the gym, I walk and look after my dog, I have a girlfriend just to name a few things. oontz Mate, you own a PS4. David Trail No I don’t lol a PS Vita yes but no PS4! janco tianno That’s just a usual translation problem… Probably he said in Japanese something like “Deplorable”, “Heartbreaking”, but someone preferred to translate as “Pathetic”. DragonSilths I’ve been saying this for awhile now, and ever since E3 Nintendo has been back on the Core track. If Nintendo did that since the launch of Wii U then the Wii U would have done so much better, however the question now becomes, will Nintendo STAY on this track? Or will they drift back to casuals…I hope they don’t. InsanityRaptor Hmm. He thinks the casual gamer attitude is pathetic, huh? THEN DON’T MAKE SO MANY GODDAMN CASUAL GAMES! Period. ScrewAttack Hopefully this marks the end of his patience with casuals. Means good thinga for starfox I think! Merry_Blind Well I think that’s exactly what he is saying. Casual gamers attitude is ‘pathetic’. They’re not good customer, they hurt the brand, etc. I think Nintendo realize now that they have to gather to the Nintendo fans first, to the gaming fans first, not the ‘mass-market’, not grandma, not the non-gamer. Mario Like… Divaitiie! I agree with Miyamoto completely but Pathetic is a strong word … And most parents don’t like strong words, especially in the United States of America. God bless him. Merry_Blind Well it’s a translation, so the word he actually used in japanese was probably not as pejorative. Divaitiie! Well then Myamoto just got fucked …. Korv13 These quotes seem to be part of a larger reflexion on Nintendo’s future by the executives. I think they are discovering that if the casual crowd can be larger and could be more interesting from a business point, it has also its disadvantages. The principal one is that casual have difficulty to make a difference (or they don’t bother to) between a excellent game and an okay game. They don’t seem to recognize the quality where it appears and this is bothering people like Miyamoto. I can see a parallel with movies. When you are really interested in movies, you slowly create a conscentious taste. You learn to know if the movie you are watching is a good one. You learn to make an estimation on the quality of the movie by its trailer. You are learning to love the presentation of the movie, the plot, the esthetic, etc. As people who are interested in gaming, we care for these things. We know when a game needs to go to the dump rather than on your console. This knowledge is why we are (most of the time) more qualified to judge the quality of a game than a casual gamer. Nintendo is starting to recognize this and I think this is the reason why they don’t go on the smartphones. If Nintendo expands on casual territory, it will have to compromise on its own identity. These quotes show us that Nintendo won’t give up on that quality standard. And it’s a good thing. Gamingfan Fix this industry Nintendo because without you it’s terrible. Divaitiie! I agree but Nintendo ain’t dying :P. Gamingfan It’s sad when people think they’re core gamers when they are looking forward to games like Destiny, Far Cry 4, Assassins Creed: Unity, Battlefield: Hardline, COD: Advanced Warfare etc. They’re casuals and don’t even know it. 00EpicGamer00 I wouldn’t say the people that are looking forward to Destiny are “casual” gamers. To be fair, Destiny is a brand new IP. Sure, it’s a first person shooter which has been done before, but who knows? Maybe Destiny will show us something that’s never been done before in the FPS genre. matthew garcia The only hardcore gamers in my opinion are the ones that spend 40+hours playing rpgs and I’m not talking about pokemon. Now that’s hardcore Gamingfan Casuals to me are the people that just constantly play FPS, cover based third person shooters and sports. matthew garcia I can see that but those games offer nothing but great competition between individual players. I’m a competitive guy and I love sports so playing Madden, fifa, nba 2k with my friends is great fun and causes heated arguments and smack talking. I like that sometimes 🙂 David Trail Sounds casual lol. matthew garcia Then call me casual then 🙂 00EpicGamer00 So, having a good time with friends makes someone a casual? Mmkay…I guess I forgot that “true” hardcore gamers must completly isolate themselves from everyone. 😛 Mario Lol XD Daniel Gonzalez Hahaha. If living in isolation is what I’d need to be hardcore, I’ll stick to being casual any day. 😛 Divaitiie! If playing sport, third person shooter and FPS are “Casuals” then Pokemon must be for kids only … T-X 0/10 David Trail Pokemon is hardcore dude. matthew garcia Lol ok matthew garcia Pokemon is the simplest rpg I ever played. I just completed radiant historian on ds. Now that’s a real rpg 00EpicGamer00 (I’m not sure if I’ve had this conversation with you before, if I have then I guess just disregard this message). If you want to play a really good RPG try Ni No Kuni. matthew garcia I think we have had this conversation lol. I really wanna play that game but my ps3 stopped reading disks not sure what to do. I wanna play that tales of ixilia also 00EpicGamer00 Oh yep, we have…whoops, lol. PS3’s are super cheap now though. I think they’re $250. Maybe even less by now. In fact, I think with all the birthday money I got yesterday, I’d be able to buy another one. But I think I’ll save up for a PS4 instead. Maybe Sony will put Ni No Kuni on the PS Now thing. Divaitiie! I’m pretty sure NNK is gonna be on PS Now. May be saving up for PS4 and Nintendo games ;). matthew garcia Yeah I’m thinking of buying a ps3 at a pawn shop now just to play ni no kuni. I wanna play that game badly now that you mentioned it lol nickwarrior5 Try competing with smogon. http://www.smogon.com/xyhub/ . You have to breed for perfect IV’s, know hidden abilities, moves, train your pokemon with EV’s. Then give it the right items. You also need to plan your team to make its balanced. Is it easy now? http://serebii.net/games/mechanics.shtml I bet that you wouldn’t beat person on battle spot in pokemon x and y in ranks match. matthew garcia Compared to other rpgs it is simple. Snes and ps1 rpgs are way more advanced nickwarrior5 You didnt go to those websites did you? Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMFrhYAk69k David Trail You know nothing my friend, try getting every Pokemon, try winning all of the tournaments, try becoming nearly unbeatable. You sound simple my friend and casual not Pokemon itself. matthew garcia You sound obsessed. Pokemon is the most mainstream casual of all the rpgs. Definitely sales the most. The reason it sales the most is cuz it’s the easiest to get into David Trail Easy to get in to but impossible to master and unlimetless gameplay possibilities more so than any other game. Pokemon has more hours than any other game as well. Some people have put 5000 in to it and don’t get me started on shiny pokemon and breeding. matthew garcia It’s so easy. David Trail Not really. matthew garcia That shits wizeak David Trail No that is Madden lol. matthew garcia Yeah Madden is weak now. I rather play pokemon then Madden. I still like playing Madden with friends David Trail Owned Mario Pokemon? Simple? …HA! greengecko007 Stat crunching is standard in RPGs. Pokemon is not a hardcore game. The mechanics are not that deep for an RPG. If anything, it’s easier than it’s ever been to breed perfect IVs and EV train quickly. A hardcore RPG would be something like Disgaea. Max level of 9999 (yes, that’s over 9 thousand), items are leveled up by clearing dozens of fights and dungeons without stopping, upgrading classes requires a level reset to 1, and it costs money to heal your characters. David Trail You my friend are simple. There is so much depth in Pokemon it is unreal. matthew garcia There is way more depth in xenoblade and bravely default David Trail Not really there are four different moves each Pokemon could have. 16 different types or more dual types, proteins etc to make Pokemon stronger, NEARLY 800 pOKEMON i DON’T THINK THOSE GAMES HAVE AS MUCH DEPTH AS THAT BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF DEPTH COMPARED TO MOST GAMES. matthew garcia That’s child’s play stuff. David Trail Ha you do it then. Make an unbeatable team and catch all the Pokemon. You will never do it. Get all the items beat all the tournaments. You m y friend are childs play. matthew garcia I rather be doing something else then wasting time catching 800 pokemon. I rather enjoy other rpgs that have more adult stories, job selections, upgradable armor, and skill set trees, and more strategic combat. Pokemon is weak David Trail That is exactly what you do in Pokemon evo training, proteins, breeding etc. It is all too get stronger Pokemon. You also have to have the right Pokemon characteristic and natures for the best stats, you have to breed the right Pokemon for the best moves. It has a lot more depth than those games dude. You are just a casual who can’t be bothered to go the next level. A passive/ pathetic gamer. matthew garcia Your pathetic for collecting 800 pokemon lol. That childs game. Let’s be the best trainer in world everyone. Give me a break lol David Trail Casual, passive, pathetic gamer detected. matthew garcia Who cares if I’m casual. Is there a trophy or cash reward for being hardcore. Does it make you like a better person if your hardcore lol. You can go back to locking yourself in your basement and be hardcore all you want lol David Trail I have a very balanced life you cretin lol. 00EpicGamer00 Wow, you sure showed him. I applaud thee *slow clap*. So, what you’re really saying is, all you do in Pokemon is train? What about the other points he brought up? Like adult storylines, job selections, armor (though, the armor I don’t think pokemon needs, because you, youself aren’t fighting, but you get the point), and skill set trees? Guess what? Pokemon has none of those. Before you call me a “passive/pathetic” gamer; please know that I do like Pokemon. Pokemon is indeed a fun game. But is it the most depth filled RPG/JRPG ever made? No. David Trail It does in a different way dude and a lot more depth in general than any other game. I don’t think any Final Fantasy game has unlimited game play potential that can go on for a life time. Pokmon is endless always evolving always finding new things. The proteins and calcium, breeding, nature characteristics, shiny pokemon, collecting all the Pokemon, battling. Pokemon is the most hardcore game ever casual/ passive/ pathetic gamers like yourself and my friend here wont understand. I’d say Pokemon is one of the top 10 most hardcore games out there. 00EpicGamer00 “Pokemon is the most hardcore game ever.” Yeah, you’ve just lost any credibility that you thought you had. Again, I said I LIKE Pokemon. I’ve practically bought every illiteration of it. But I have played other RPG’s that, in my opinion, have a bit more depth. It’s just an opinion. Calm the f*** down. I’m not at all saying that Pokemon sucks, or is a “stale” RPG game. Pokemon is better than some RPG’s out there, and there are some RPG’s better than Pokemon. Simple as that. David Trail It is one of the most hardcore games ever and if you don’t understand you my friend are a passive pathetic gamer. I have given you the facts. You wont except them. 00EpicGamer00 “It is one of the most hardcore games ever.” Yeah, you just keep telling yourself that. “I have given you the facts. You won’t except them.” What facts? Again, I never said Pokemon is a bad RPG. All I’m saying is I’ve played other RPG’s and JRPG’s that are more fun to me. Also again, it’s just an opinion. Not everyone on Earth has to like the same exact thing as someone else. That’s like saying it’s wrong for someone to to say they liked DKC TF over SMBU. Is it like, completely wrong if someone likes DK over Mario? You know, Mario? The “king” of side scrollers? matthew garcia I’ll put pokemon right up there with cooking mama. Try battle tactics ogre. That game might put some hair on your peaches David Trail Ha ha ha you are very casual and easy my friend. Passive/ pathetic gamer. matthew garcia I like pokemon also I just find others far more interesting. Pokemon is just to pass time for me. It doesn’t have a interesting story to keep up with like other rpgs David Trail It does have a story but the battling, training, collecting are the main things. matthew garcia It has a weak story and the collecting is repetive. Collecting in other rpgs involves collecting different metals and materials for crafting armor or weapons. Or alchemy for creating your own spells and potions. Not going to store and buying them like in pokemon 00EpicGamer00 You know I was being sarcastic with that first sentence, right? Or did you? It’s kind of hard to tell, because of how you responded. But anyway, yeah I like Pokemon too, but my reason as to why I thinkPokemon isn’t the “best of the best” RPG eever is the same as yours. I can never take the storyline of a Pokemon game seriously. Yeah, yeah, I get it’s game filled with made up animals you battle with. But they could at least make the storylines engaging. I think Pokemon Coliseum and XD (both on GCN) are the only Pokemon games that have a pretty dark (pun intended) and engaging story line. I’m not trying to spoil anything, but Ni No Kuni had me crying in, literally, the first 5 minutes of the game. That my friend, is when you know you’ve done a game right. If you can already sympathize with the main character before you barely know anything about him. matthew garcia It’s all good your not spoiling anything. Your actually making me wanna play the game more. rpgs have story telling that good Mario Oh for the love of god! All these rpgs’ have depth!! They’re just different! That’s all! greengecko007 I’d like to see an example of a so called unbeatable Pokemon team, if you don’t mind. nickwarrior5 There isn’t a unbeatable team. greengecko007 I know, that’s the point. matthew garcia In final fantasy 9 you have a party of 4 in the game at the same time. Your mage could have 20 different black magic spells and your white magic adds more. Also they have time magic. Each character In finally fantasy could have 20+ moves all at one time to use . Way more strategic depth David Trail FF has a lot of depth but that is nothing on Pokemon. greengecko007 The total number of Pokemon is 719, I personally wouldn’t say that’s nearly 800. Rinslowe Cleaned those walls yet? David Trail I am living in Ireland now. Rinslowe Haha. Those be my kind of people. oontz zing Divaitiie! imho, Pokemon is more of a kid game than a hardcore game to me, don’t believe me ? just watch Pokemon tournament and the kids are like the majority -__- … I really like Pokemon franchise tho. nickwarrior5 Watch pokemon world championships and it’s mostly adults. David Trail The amount of depth and different options in Pokemon makes it hardcore and I know many adults who still play Pokemon. It has a very wide appeal because of the hidden depth. Divaitiie! Not trying to be offensive but wanting or liking those games ain’t really make them casuals … I’m curious, what’s you definition of casuals in your opinion ???? T-X I wouldn’t lump Destiny with BF and CoD. Those games are shallow compared to Bungie’s up and coming and they cater to short to mid length game skirmishes and the story is only there to pull in people who like novelty scenarios (which ultimately just harken back to patriotism action flick film fodder). Destiny isn’t 100% original but it has a lot more meat than those two in my opinion. Far Cry is more akin to Destiny and seems way more balanced when it comes to gameplay and story but the scenarios are repetitive. Bungie can only do so much though. I think they really wanted to tackle this project as their magnum opus taking from Halo and Marathon and flipping the narrative to perfect their style. Dexrobo I’ve played most of those franchises and the Destiny beta, and they’re not casual games at all. David Trail Yes they are most are liniar and take 10 hours too complete. Guest yea because collecting coins and jumping on blocks with mario is so hardcore. David Trail Yeah it is. It takes longer and is harder than a 10 hour linear game. Most gamers today can’t complete the first level of the orginal super mario bros lol! Brandon My three year old sister almost beat the first world of 3d world by herself. Yet you assume destiny will only take 10 hours to beat. gimpcell My four year old son finished the first world as well. Does not mean he beat my records or collected all the ttreasure. Same son that can pick up COD and make a couple kills. Oh, the numbnuts does beat me AND online players on Mario Kart. Boy has skills! A ten hour game is what money hungry companies love. A memorable game is what Nintendo does. David Trail Nearly but she didn’t. oontz You do realize that mario brother games are about as linear as you can get right? David Trail They aren’t they have more exploration than TLOU which is a 3d game. oontz Ha ha ha. Daniel Gonzalez Best one I heard all day. flippygarcia if Destiny only takes 10hrs to complete I’m gonna be pissed looks promising but i still not getting it at launch gonna wait to see what people have to say first Brandon Yep, and mario, mario kart, and hyrule warriors are only for core gamers. Not saying those games are bad, but you cant say those games you’ve listed are not for core gamers just because you think so. DLConspiracy// While that may be true, they are still games and from time to time its nice to just go on a ride. Not have to be soooo invested every time we play one. Nothing wrong with enjoying both types or being a busy individual who doesn’t have the time but still wants to play. JayHexx Now that this is said. I wonder where Nintendo is going to go from here. I hope it leads to a Metroid game of epic proportions. CydeFxt Thank you! Finally someone in the industry says it out loud. Kamille now wait a few days for some one to come up with either an apology or blame it on bad translation… Like always. Squid Honestly I see where he’s coming from. When he revolutionized the game industry many people want to be the very best like no one ever was at games. andy cadle I own over 200 video games with about 25 Years experience playing but I would still class myself nearer casual than hardcore gamer. After a hard day at work I’d rather switch on my console and have a game that I can pick up and play without any advanced tutorials taking me half hour before I can even start the game- this has always been Nintendo’s appeal; Games like the classic Marios where you can switch the console on, and within moments be playing, and running left to right through a stage. Newer games try to be too ‘Hollywood’ and immerse you in epic storylines- Not knocking this, and appreciate the artistic creativity it takes to make a game like The Last of Us for example, but if I want a story I’ll read a book or stick a movie on. For me, gaming has, and always will be about the instant accessibility. (For the record; in the 200+ game collection I do have the occasional ‘less casual’ game such as Xenoblade Chronicles…) Divaitiie! I love XC. andy cadle Also; if he’s planning on branching away from the casual image Nintendo has, then what’s with the Skylanders-esque Amiibo’s?? Hopefully his statement is lost in translation and Nintendo will carry on making the games that they’re famous for as well as incorporating one or two new franchises while they’re at it.. Lord Lemmy I don’t think it means they’re going to stop making games for kids or market games for kids, what I believe he means is the “I’m going to play a video game because I have nothing better to do and YOU (the game developer) have to entertain me” attitude is pathetic, as compared to “I’m going to play video games because I want to have fun” Idunno, that’s just me, maybe he meant something different than what either of us understand. andy cadle Maybe so- Hopefully your right in your translation, as would hate to see Nintendo change tact on the way they play the video game market; Been a Nintendo fan since I was 5 or so and have owned (& still own!) all the consoles and handhelds up to now Lord Lemmy PLUS, Skylanders and Amiibos aren’t really casual… Casual is something like making games anyone would play without having to “get into” it. Casual would be 90% of the games on mobile phones. I’m pretty sure you’d have to get into your game to buy figurines for it. Whether you’re a child or not. And kids that play games aren’t automatically casuals. I was 3 when I got heavily into games. Starting with Super Mario World on SNES. I wasn’t a “casual” gamer by any means, even when I first started gaming. David Trail I feel sorry for Sony because they went for the i phone/ passive gamer this gen with the PS4. They are really going to feel the back lash when the PS5 comes out and they go on to the next cool thing. Meanwhile the next Nintendo console will still have it’s hard core fan base. Faafeu Kapeneta I dont think he’s talking about SONY, feels like he’s talking about the mobile game market because they’re the casuals in this Era of gaming. David Trail Are you serious is that why COD and Fifa are ps4s and Xbox Ones best selling games? Guest the next nintedo console will flop worse then the wii u. Nintendo is done in the console business. David Trail How so? The Wii U is selling more than the Xboxx One in the weekly charts. Not bad for a so called failing console. Mario Uhhh. You do know the amount of money Nintendo has. Right? uPadWatcher You don’t know jack sprat about video games in general. You truly hate Nintendo just because they have brought video games back after Atari thrown the towel in the ring. Brandon You cant be serious. PS4 was designed with the gamer in mind. The wii u was designed for the whole phone/tablet gaming market. Why do you think the controller is half tablet? Duh. Rinslowe Lol to both apologist and hater manifestations of psychosis Brandon Im not trying to have an argument about how these consoles were designed, but there’s denying who these consoles were made for. Daniel Gonzalez They were both made for gamers in mind. You do have a point about the Gamepad, as it probably was a way to try to maintain the casual gamers. It could have been a coincidence, though. David Trail The game pad is for hard core gamers. Casuals don’t understand the importance of the game pad. Divaitiie! tablets and smartphone “gamers” must be hardcore then … Daniel Gonzalez Sounds like excuses on Nintendo’s part to me. Did Nintendo ever make it clear that the gamepad is for hardcore gamers only? Please show a source that backs up your claims, otherwise, it’s just another one of your fibs. 😛 CapnCrumbles436 They had the dual touch screen 10 years ago….were they trying to go after mobile gaming then???? oontz by definition yes, the DS was mobile gaming. Divaitiie! I found the gamepad is kinda useless, even today I only see the gamepad as an additional accessory like Kinect or PS Move. David Trail Cod and Fifa designed for gamers why do t PS4 exclusives sell very well, why do you have to pay for online, why do the anologue sticks peel, why only last gen ports. PS4 for the gamers indeed ; ) Brandon Both killzone and infamous sold well. I dont mine paying for online when its actually good and I get free games in the process. The anologue peeling is bad, but sony did give out new controllers to whom ever it happened to. So, AC unity, batman AK, madden, nba, infamous, uncharted, blood borne, the order, the division, etc. are all last gen ports? You cant say the ps4 was not designed with gamers in mind, when they’re trying their best to make the console fun for the gamers. Im not going to say the wii u is made for little kids and casuals, because thats not entirely true, but you can easily tell who nintendo was going for. All three are good consoles, and whether you hate ps4 and xbox, there is no denying they’re good consoles. David Trail Killzone and Infamous both did terribly. Killzone should have sold more being bundled and Infamous only selling just over 1 million for a console with 8 million customers is pathetic. None of those games you listed are actually out yet except Madden. The rest of the games you listed are crappy dude bro and mainstream Justin Bieber titles. Yes PS4 is aiming for the gamers making you rebuy all yor controllers, charging for online, ps3 does more than ps4, no YouTube, no backwards compatibility so they can milk a game that came out last year. For the gamers! And yes I can tell who the Wii Us audience is quite easily. Games like Wonderful 101, Zombi U, DKC TF, New Luigi Bros U, Zelda Wind Waker HD, Pikmin 3, SM3DW show that the Wii U is for the hardcore gamer in mind. Exclusives such as Knack, COD and Fifa, Battlefield being PS4s top selling games shows really clearly that the PS4 is geared towards the casual/ passive/ pathetic gamer such as your self. Ps Wii U > PS4 and Xbox One Brandon Wow, you are one of those delusional fanboys, who still think nintendo is a god. Sony is focusing on the gamers with the ps4, but Im not surprised you dont see it. Buy next year their will be plenty of games on the platform for gamers. It doesnt matter if its multiplat, because most multiplats coming out are made for xbox one and ps4 then ported down to last gen. Nintendo was targeting the family gamers, just like they did with the wii. Im not a nintendo fan I can admit that, but I do like nintendo and plan on buying the wii u. You may not like microsoft or sony, but do you really have to hate their consoles, even though there not bad. Its funny how you call me a pathetic gamer, but your the one who hates everything non nintendo. P.s ps4, wii u, xbox one= gamers Daniel Gonzalez Well said. Divaitiie! -___- ….. FutureFox I like what he’s saying but with Amiibo coming out, I wonder if Nintendo still isn’t throwing darts while blindfolded. MujuraNoKamen Having a few casual games and Amiibo is fine, just as long as they are now focusing on Metroid, Eternal Darkness and Zelda and such instead of generic 2D platformer, and mini-game compilation 1,000. David Trail Yeah just ignore Wonderful 101, Monster Hunter, SM3DW, Zelda Wind Waker HD, New Luigi Bros U is a 2d platformer but a very hardcore one, Zombi U, DKC TF that they don’t exsist etc. Mario I’m pretty sure they do. FutureFox Don’t get me wrong, I think branching out to the toys to life market is a good move. However if the hope of the idea was to lure and convert casuals into real gamers then that would seem to go against what he’s indicating, which is they can’t be converted. On the other hand if real gamers are inclined to purchase the toys its a why for Nintendo to earn extra from the core audience instead of trying to create an audience like last gen. MujuraNoKamen Whatever they do as long as they deliver the goods for us gamers like Bayonetta and Xenoblade and stop trying to be all kid-friendly then I’ll be happy 😀 J.r. Storms I agree with him. Its not just video games that have become that, its all the entertainment industry. People don’t want to challenge themselves with any kind of new music, movies, games, or anything of that sort. People want things they they understand instantly and are never challenging. 00EpicGamer00 Couldn’t have said it better myself. And this, my dear people, is why most Americans don’t like to watch anime shows or movies. Mario Exactly. I for one love to watch those kinds of things. When they’re done right of course. 00EpicGamer00 Indeed. No one wants to watch a bad anime. Though, at times I feel like me and my sister are the only Americans that like to watch anime. But every now and then, I see some people at my school carrying around anime books and taking about anime in general. And it just fills me with joy every time. sharlo galmo Hmmmm now i want to know more about his game…. twinspectre as a Playstation fan i think Miyamoto is a billion time right the whole industry nowadays are focusing the casual gamer the ones who doesn’t care about gaming to begin with we have too much of hand holding in videogames nowadays that makes me throw up and give up on gaming Alexander Kleinwechter MIYAMOTO IS 100% accurate! People these days are soo easily bored and are quite pathetic, just as he says, i like miyamoto, hes an upright guy and i see him as wise haha, but seriously.I like him Daniel Gonzalez Of course they’re easily bored. Casuals aren’t traditional gamers who are passionate about games they play. They’re in it just to kill boredom whenever they have spare time to eat up. Then they go about their lives outside of video games. It was foolish for Nintendo to think those casuals would stick around and invest in another console. Most of them likely still use their Wii’s or competely moved on to mobile devices. There’s nothing pathetic about them being bored of gaming if gaming isn’t a focus in their lives to begin with. If he indeed feels this way, it comes off as sour grapes. The guy is a legend, no question about that, but a comment like that, shows he isn’t flawless. 😛 Rinslowe So you can see why a man like Miyamoto who obviously has passion in spades, has this kind of spooky eww “Its a spider” reaction to casual gamers. I totally agree with you, mostly they’re playing games to kill time. Killing time on the bus, the train, the subway, the you name it. People going about their limited time on this Earth – killing time. I agree with his opinion here in that, that is kinda pathetic. Of course that doesn’t speak for every casual gamer, some people I know that could be labelled casuals actually enjoy gaming. They just don’t like things that challenge them. They’re nice. But it also reflects how they generally approach their actual lives as well. Safe and predictable, scripted almost. That’s quite the opinionated view, I know. But when the shoe fits… Alexander Kleinwechter Yes thats how i would say it, it just shows maybe the almost brainwashed entertainment ”give me entertaiment and i give you money” that sort of thing.I dont think it has something to with lazyness, but i think if you have a big passion for something, like miyamoto does, and hes working hard on challennging fun games, that everyone should try out, but rather go to the easy mobile games. Ofc they just want to kill time, but that questions me how people challenge there everday life. Quite interesting lol MujuraNoKamen Woah who’d have thought going out of your way to appease people who don’t really care about the medium wouldn’t be a great idea. It’s not just Nintendo that does this lots of big names are guilty of trying too hard to appeal to casuals – whether they be the Wii fit crowd or dude bros who play nothing but CoD. Devs should focus on creative and groundbreaking games for gamers. CapnCrumbles436 Righto! Lacarious afraid of more challenging games you say mr. nintendo… well… from that I can tell you nintendo games are eazy peazy…. only thing that is “challenging” is the frustrating thing of timing when you know what you wanna do but have to do it perfect but I wouldn’t call that challenging but more tedious. David Trail Idiot hasn’t played DKC TF, Wonderful 101, New Luigi Bros U or many other for that matter. Hello casual, passive, pathetic gamer. Guest Hello, asshole nintendrone! Mario WOULD YOU BOTH JUST SHUT UP!!!! uPadWatcher Hello, graphics whore. CapnCrumbles436 Are there no moderators on this site??? BabyGamersRFunny let me guess, you’re the crybaby that ran to the mods?? and they actually banned my account on wii u daily… after I said nintendo games aren’t challenging enough…. this must be baby nation or something….. btw – i have every nintendo system not called a wii u but that will change shortly. David Trail Wii U games too challenging for you, aww lol! BabyGamersRFunny you’re so dumb…. seriously…. i mean seriously BabyGamersRFunny bitter much? David Trail Gay much? BabyGamersRFunny one day, one day, you’ll have a girlfriend and everything will be betttter 00EpicGamer00 You say that as if being gay is a bad thing. Do you really think that? David Trail I don’t think that but funny you did. Someone is insecure. I was asking if he felt happy. 00EpicGamer00 You must be insecure too. I was asking if it’s wrong for him to be happy. Daniel Gonzalez He just has growing up to do. CapnCrumbles436 You know thats not true. Should someone even waste their time arguing with you? Get a life pall. Guy spends his time hating on Nintendo on a Nintendo fan site. In the words of Miyamoto, “Pathetic”. BabyGamersRFunny get a clue and grow up chump Guest *reads comments* Aaaaaaaand this kind of elitist behavior is exactly the reason why Nintendo fans are among the absolute worst! David Trail We have a reason for this elitist behavior because we Nintendo gamers are better. Guest You nintendo gamers are pathetic. That is why you get 1 game every 4 month’s on wii poo, you will miss 98% of the games this gen. Enjoy buying a secondary console or pc. David Trail So misinformed indies and virtual titles amount to more retail games than the other consoles plus Nintendo games have more replay value in general and the Wii U plays Wii games you idiotic, passive, casual, pathetic gamer. Guest The ps4 has more retail and indies then any other console, that is a fact not opinion. The wii u is fail ! almost 2 years out and still sitting stuck uner 8 million in sales. CydeFxt I would rather wait for a game to be released and with less bugs/glitches, instead of having garbage spewed on to the market bc hey why not, we can just patch a broken game, or not i mean we still charge full price. Pricess sparkle Amen . I dont want my future games to be like Aliens Colonial Marines. A rushed port and a crappier game . Thank god it didnt come to the Wii U ! We dont need shovelware games -.- . uPadWatcher 7 million Wii U owners beg to disagree with your failed attempt at gathering data. CapnCrumbles436 Hahaha PS4 has no stellar titles. We own one! It sits there. We are all on the WiiU with MK8 right now. David Trail Wii U has more indie titles than PS4 ACTUALLY. flippygarcia may be true but that one game is played for 8 months opposed to others where u buy it then two days later buy another because ur bored of it Guest It is played for 8 month’s because you have to wait that long for another game to be released. flippygarcia na just that much replay value Guest yea sure you keep telling yourself that. flippygarcia jealous much? flippygarcia geussing u don’t own a wii u? David Trail Watch Dogs, UFC all in one week amazing lol! David Trail Amen brother you need more games on ps4 and xbox one becuase they don’t last as long and they’re not as good. Guest My point still stands. uPadWatcher You sound like a broken record player. Your point is disqualified. 00EpicGamer00 I’m afraid you’re right (about having to get a secondary console). If you’re a true gamer, than you CANNOT just have a Wii U. You need to get a secondary console or PC. At least until Nintendo learns how to make games lightning quick, ha ha ha. If the Wii U can’t even get a game as simple as Minecraft. Then, I don’t have much hope for future 3rd party games on the console. I want 3rd parties to come back, but….I don’t think that’ll happen. At least anytime soon. SkullScience Erm, but by your logic the opposite is also true. If many of the Nintendo titles never see light of day on anything other than Wii U then, as a PC owner, like myself, you will also own Wii U. See the problem with your logic? It can be reversed!! Especially as Nintendo titles tend to be very good indeed even if they are quality over quantity. Mario He’s a bit right on that one actually. 00EpicGamer00 What exactly was your point? I’m sorry, but I’m having a little trouble understanding what exactly it is you’re trying to tell me. Is it that people who own a PlayStation or Xbox or PC must get a Wii U for 1st party? Well, yeah. If those people like Nintendo’s 1st party titles, then absolutely. But if someone only owns a Wii U, they must get a secondary console if they want to play the majority of 3rd party games. There is no problem with my logic, actually. Because it’s true. Same with your point as well. If you only own a Wii U, you need a secondary console. If you only own a secondary console, you need a Wii U for 1st party Nintendo titles. SkullScience That is why I was unsure of your original point. Neither denigrate each other, not in the same way PC and XB1/PS4 do. Having a combo of PS4/XB1 and Wii U or PC and Wii U is viable, but not really PC and XB1. I agree that, like you state, ” If you’re a true gamer, than you CANNOT just have a Wii U”. But conversely, such is the quality of Nintendo’s first part titles I would say the opposite is also true for whichever one of the other consoles or PC you own when said against the Wii U! So, by definition, if you are a “true gamer” then you can not simply own PC or PS4. What I am trying to say is that your point, though valid, seems worded in a way to denigrate Wii U when, in reality, it could be ‘insert any console name and/or PC here’ in the context of your original statement. David Trail I don’t need a secondary console. I have Wii U and Steam. 00EpicGamer00 Steam is on PC’s, right? So, that means your PC is your secondary console Einstein. David Trail PC isn’t a console dumbass! 00EpicGamer00 Resort to name calling are we? Your other option to play games on is a PC. So, technically your PC counts as your secondary console…”dumbass.” I think you’re getting dumber by the day Davey. Seriously, your logic is so flawed. That’s like yelling at somebody; saying that they’re wrong when they say that having a 3DS, Vita, or whatever handheld they have, is pretty much a secondary console. But you yell at them, because handheld devices aren’t “consoles.” uPadWatcher Voting up on your own comment. This is the reason that YOU are f*cking pathetic. thedeciderU i play all systems and enjoy many types of games, and for my money wii u’s exclusive list destroys the competition. wii poo. hmmm. makes you sound intelligent. CapnCrumbles436 Enjoy missing out on software….PS4 &X1 dont have any! Even after it starts to come down, WiiU has a solid list of top rated titles at this point. I dont even like to play favorites we have all platforms in my household, just tired of the garbage. We get it you hate Nintendo and its fanbase. WHY ARE YOU HERE? Go do something productive. Guest Yep, my point still stands. Guest Exactly, for that same exact reason is why they will miss out on 98 % of games this gen. They will be stuck playing mario all gen. uPadWatcher Except we’ll be playing Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2 (#OperationPlatinum), Super Smash Bros., Splatoon, and Xenoblade Chronicles X. Divaitiie! U forgot Zelda U. My most anticipated game of next year. David Trail Mario is better than 95% of games so hey. c2sick Awesome article DynDasE Couldn’t agree more. Casual gamers only seek distraction, not gaming fidelity. Daniel As much as I respect the man, it’s clear he’s just saying what people want to hear. Look at the games coming out: Kirby, Yoshi’s Whooly World, Mario vs Donkey Kong and Toad’s Treasure Tracker. Plus his collection of mini games look pretty casual too. All these look fun but it still looks like they are pandering to the kids and the casual market. Don’t get me wrong, I love the look of most of these games but it doesn’t match Miyamoto’s statements. Also, be mindful that the interview he had before the Wii U launched said that Nintendo have learnt their mistakes from the Wii and the company would focus more on online multiplayer and that they would shift away from the casual market. Before Mario Kart 8’s release, Wii Sports Club was the only online Nintendo title for Wii U owners. SkullScience Erm, I agree with the collection of mini games, if that is what they are, but many of the family friendly titles are far from casual. The two should not be confused. Casual games have little gameplay, only suitable for 5 minutes or so on a daily commute or have some gimmick, like motion control/touch controls on tablet or on the Wii (hence the Wii’s association with the casual market). Kirby, Yoshi and Toad’s treasure tracker, whilst being family friendly, have shown no indication of being casual and Mario v Donkey Kong appears to be a Lemmings type puzzle game, certainly not casual (is it beyond being a tech demo anyhow?). That seems very limited of you to think otherwise, does it all have to be ‘oh so mature’ CoD, AC etc.. to not be casual. The gameplay in those titles are often far more limited and repetitive. Family friendly does not equal casual and that kind of mentality shows a certain ignorance. Daniel Drop the condescending attitude if you want people to take you seriously. Did I mention CoD or AC? No. Making assumptions like that make you sound like a troll. It’s limited of you to defend a game when you haven’t even played it. You also didn’t read my comments correctly. I said they looked family friendly AND casual. I also stated that I like the look of these games but it doesn’t resonate with Miyamoto’s backhanded comments about passive gamers. You’re definition of a casual games is ridiculous also: only suitable for 5 minutes or a daily commute. Casual games simply means accessible. Simple mechanics and easy to learn. Wii Sports is a casual game which can be enjoyed for hours with friends. Mario Bros is a casual game when you think about it. The new games such as Kirby and Mario Vs Donkey look like they have one or two control mechanics which look very ‘casual’. They appear to have as much depth Tanks on Wii Play. Obviouslly the art style is charming but gameplay-wise, it’s very simple/casual experience. David Trail They look casual but they are not. You have no idea what you are talking about Daniel Passive/ pathetic. SkullScience This is one of the most idiotic replies I have ever had the displeasure to read!! The casual games market is literally defined by android and IOS, they are aimed at the commute, very short bursts of gameplay and have a simple hook. They dispense with ‘lives’ for iap’s!! The biggest hit games and AAA titles are accessible with simple mechanics. CoD, AC, Unchartered, Doom, Quake. The list go’s on. There is nothing complicated about them with especially the fps being idiotically simple mechanics but does that make them casual? Some of the most hard-core games ever created, shooters such as Ikaruga, Radiant Silvergun and many Japanese bullet hell games such as Jamestown, have the epitome of simple mechanics yet are they casual? Ironically you say casual games have simple mechanics then mention Wii Sports which has anything but. Did you not see the fact I mentioned “motion controls” in my post? It is that gimmick that made them casual in a game with no significant plot or objective. I was not defending those games but you supplied no evidence to say that they were casual. Your obvious definition of casual was a ‘non-adult’ themed game. How is that casual! FAMILY FRIENDLY DOES NOT EQUAL CASUAL!!!!! Anyone who knows the history of video games, or even takes a passing interest, will know that Nintendo’s stable of games are usually anything but casual. This is not flappy bird or a running game were you tap the screen with your index finger. Mario Bros is certainly not casual, it has many layers to its gameplay with varying abilities altering the gameplay and power-ups changing the dynamics constantly. If I delete the words Mario Bros and insert CoD the same would apply!!! This idiotic confusion between family friendly and casual need to stop being perpetuated, some games with the finest gameplay ever to have graced home consoles are family friendly titles! Daniel Seriously, all your comments start with ‘Errr’ or ‘Sigh’. Get over yourself buddy. You clearly suffer from an intellect complex. Is this where you come to feel smart for the day? Trolling on peoples comments without properly reading them? Shame on you. You obviously have a problem with CoD. Maybe your girlfriend left you for someone who played CoD? Who knows? Whatever your problem is with CoD & AC, get over it dude. The game sells for some reason, and has no place in this comment section. I really can’t help that you continue to misinterpret my comments multiple times now. For example: You control Kirby with the stylus by drawing lines…. Yeah, that’s not gimmicky and casual at all is it? That’s great you appreciate the quality that goes into a Nintendo game, as do I. But are they doing anything different than 6 years ago with the Wii? New Super Mario Bros Wii > New Super Mario Bros Wii U Wii Fit > Wii Fit U Wii Sports > Wii Sports Club Wii Party > Wii Party U Warioware Smooth Moves > Warioware Wii U Kirby Epic Yarn > Yoshi’s Whooly World Donkey Kong Country Returns > Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze Wii Pikmin 1 & 2 > Pikmin 3 Super Smash Bros Wii > Super Smash Bros Wii U My knowlegde and passion for video games transcends modern day games. It could be argued that Mario is indeed casual. It is probably not as obvious as Flappy bird, but the merit still exists. Accessible, easy to pick up and can be enjoyed in short bursts. By your own admission, a game that you can play in short bursts on the go. Even Miyamoto’s comments about thanking mobile devices infer that Nintendo was conscious about appealing to the casual audience when making their games. “Fortunately, because of the spread of smart devices, people take games for granted now. It’s a good thing for us, because we do not have to worry about making games something that are relevant to general people’s daily lives.” Saying that Nintendo do not have to worry about making games relevant to peoples daily lives could be perceived as though Nintendo no longer has to concern themselves with this issue anymore. Which is almost an admission in itself that they were indeed very focused on casual games prior to the success of mobile games. For the record, I never said Family Friendly = Casual you retard. It was your choice to misinterpret my comments. You can continue to type in capitals all you want, but reading carefully will service you for future trolling. Case in point, do Miyamoto’s comments reflect a change in Nintendo’s culture? Looking at the content presented at e3 2014, my thoughts are unlikely. David Trail No, no and NO! SkullScience Ok, firstly resorting to insults such as “retard” tends to be the last bastion for the intellectually challenged. Asking if my girlfriend left me over someone who played CoD, well firstly I own many CoD titles in my somewhat vast collection and, secondly, I am happily married… but thanks for your concern! I note in your replies, not only to myself, that anyone who disagrees with you is “trolling” yet your highly opinionated diatribes are to be taken as fact. Perhaps the mirror beckons? I really do not have an “intellect complex”. Two Masters Degrees and a PhD would suggest that one is not required. I am somewhat comfortable with my own intellect. The fact that you question my intellect for absolutely no good reason multiple times in that particular diatribe would indicate that the same can not be said for yourself!! You are the one who states that your “knowlegde (sic) and passion for video games transcends modern day games”!! Well good for you!! You must be so unique!! And apparently I have the intellect complex!! OK, let’s get this straight!! You originally stated “pandering to the kids and the casual market”!!! DID YOU NOT? Well, the problem I have is why you are lumping them together? They are distinct. Casual games are not kids games and you do not even mention family friendly titles which is yet another genre (all the games you mentioned are family friendly, not kids games, a distinction which most would ascertain). Do you see the issue? Your own words condemn you. You list many games, in essence saying what is new, but that can apply from 8th gen back to 7th gen for all consoles. It is all regurgitation for a particular market, which E3 proved and if anything Nintendo were considered winners of that event for at least trying something different. My issue with you defining Mario as casual is that the same can be said for many titles, yes including CoD, Battlefield, AC etc… By your own words.. “Accessible, easy to pick up and can be enjoyed in short bursts.”. No one plays CoD for its longevity, it is the epitome of pick up and play but it is not casual, neither is Mario, there are too many aspects to develop and alter the gameplay. Casual games require very little thought and are designed for commuters first and foremost. No backdrop, no story, just repetition and tapping the screen in a mindless fashion. Dev costs are tiny, in general, for casual titles and are swiftly returned via iap’s. It is such a blinkered view to call Nintendo games “kids games”. Nintendo have a market and have, historically been very successful in that market. Us humans breed (well most of us) so the ever existing requirement for family friendly titles is required. Are you going to sit down with your 8 year old son and play Evil Within? I would hope not, so Nintendo make games that are engaging for a wider age range. Is this somehow inferior in your ‘oh so transcending’ opinion? The view that people only own one console is simply one that is perpetuated by fanboys, the vast majority of serious gamers own multiple consoles and a gaming PC at some stage through that particular generation. I would much rather Nintendo keep themselves individual and have character whilst the others blend in and converge with each other. The casual market is very strong in the far-east, especially with the vast amount of ‘hand me downs’. This is a well documented and debated issue in those markets (was raised many times in recent in regards to future of 3DS). This is the issue Miyamoto faces and has discussed on many occasions, as many, including obviously yourself, via perpetuation in the media, can not differentiate between family friendly, kids games and casual (even if you claim you can your own words betray you). Does a game have to be blood, guts, guns and death to be hardcore (or even non-casual)? Don’t worry, that was rhetorical, at least for most!! David Trail None of those games are casual except Wii Sports Club. Just look at DKC TF a very hardcore game disguised in a cute package just like the games you are referring to. Nice try Daniel. You passive/ pathetic gamer. Daniel I’m a passive and pathetic gamer?…… Haha nice one. I’ve completed more games than you’ve had hot dinners buddy. I’m a true gamer and do not discriminate but I like to see variety in each console I purchase and Nintendo seems to be pumping out the same type of games that were on the Wii. How can you be sure that the games I mentioned are not casual games? Have you played them? No. Have you as much as I to go on? Yes. So why troll when you have no frickn idea about what you are talking about? I highly doubt Yoshi’s Whooly world will be any harder than Kirby’s epic yarn as all the preview reviews have stated that it is an adorable game and very easy to play while not being overlly challenging. Don’t take it personally David Toll. David Trail Half completing COD and Fifa every year doesn’t count buddy. Daniel Haha, you have no idea. Not a clue. C4 They are slow (too slow for today’s market?) but I think they knew the transition to this generation will be very rough. Online MP games don’t grow on trees and unfortunately they were unwilling to cooperate with publishers or developers who are able to make these kind of games and have years of experience in that field. A – Kuma i am shaking my head at some of the comments i’m seeing. now arguments are breaking out about what a casual game is. Everyone has differing opinions about what is “casual” and what isn’t. People think “if it’s not dark/bloodly/serious/sexy, it’s casual”, people think “if it’s a yearly series, it’s casual”. Casual and Hardcore are terms made up to put down someone else and boost one’s self esteem respectively. A casual gamer is exactly what it sounds like, they just want to play something real quick and then move on with their lives. that’s why smart phone games and android games, and even facebook games are so popular. They’re cheap/free, and you can hop in and out of them without a care in the world. When i think of a “hardcore” gamer, i think of someone who spends the majority of their time playing video games, not someone who plays sports games and shooter games and zombie games. if someone plays a particular game or type of game much more than others i consider them a hardcore [enter game/genre here] player. works the same with casual, they hardly play it, they’re a casual player. the problem more than anything is the impressionable new kids that started gaming. “yeah, call of duty all day every day, best KDR, i’m a hardcore gamer”. no lol fuck that, that’s just retarded. I’m a hardcore gamer, i’ve loved video games all my life and i play just about everything, but my favorite genre is fighting games and my least favorite is shooting games. I won’t claim i’m a better gamer than anyone else because i’m decent at street fighter and i don’t like playing barbie/bratz/spongebob games. The gaming community as a whole is poisoned and it really makes me sad that i can’t have a decent conversation about gaming online anymore. the buzzwords and self-entitlement has killed it. Iflywright I think that this attitude is good for the wii u and 3ds games but they should at least make a couple mindless smart phone games to bridge the markets. They could make a smart phone game and call it: ‘TICK TACK TOAD’ CapnCrumbles436 If they want to attract that crowd they need F2P games Divaitiie! Nintendon’t do F2P. thedeciderU Nintendo, please bring Fatal Frame to the west. uPadWatcher Leave luck to the CEO of NoA. I’m quite positive that Iwata will deliver Fatal Frame Wii U to North America in the next year or two (both in English and Japanese dubbed and subbed). thedeciderU i hope so. they should have planned a western release as soon as development began. i feel that not all japanese games cater to western audiences, but this is a game many people seem to want. i want a new great horror game on the wiiu (i thoroughly enjoyed zombiu). miyamoto So Nintendo made billions of PATHETIC dollars out of PATHETIC people? How ungrateful of Miyamoto-san and Nintendo to say these things. So the people who literally saved Nintendo are pathetic? I find this statement from Miyamoto-san very hypocritical, contradicting, offensive and down right pathetic because wasn’t it Nintendo themselves, specially Mr. Iwata, who went after the casual gamers and made tons of money on them? At the expense of their hardcore fanbase? And now that their gimmick does not work for these types of gamers with the Wii U Nintendo calls these gamers pathetic??? I am surprised such a statement would come from Miyamoto-san. What would you expect of casual gamers? to play like the hobby hardcore? So what if they decide to leave video games for other forms of entertainment? And how many time have Nintendo proclaimed that the Wii U is for the hardcore gamer yet Mr. Iwata says “we are not targeting children enough” ???? No wonder this confusing messages lead to what has happened to the Wii U. This anti-consumer statements and attitude towards consumers is pathetic. And Its just sour graping how the casual gamer on the Wii and DSi that somewhat turned hardcore gamer all jumped ship and chose the PS4. thedeciderU i think it might be an intentional translation thing for shock value. maybe… Daniel Gonzalez For his sake and Nintendo’s, I hope so. Lol. thedeciderU i see what he’s saying, but people will take offense to anything just because they don’t think about it first. people get so easily bored these days and don’t engage/apply themselves to anything – games have shifted from more user-controlled experiences to watching cut scenes and qte; for me, there has to be a healthy balance, but it’s all subjective i suppose. i think my best game memories involve me working my ass off to progress, though there are many other fun memories that have involved much less effort. Daniel Gonzalez As gamers we all evolve and our tastes tend to change. I find a game appealing as long as it can satisfy me with enough gameplay experience. If it was just all cinematic scenes with little to do, then I wouldn’t even bother with it. I also like how there is difficulty levels. I prefer to start off a game on normal, and work my way up to the hardest difficulty. In a sense, that gives you more bang for your buck. That is, if the game is worth a playing multiple times. Coming from the 80’s, the change in video games doesn’t really bother me. I think Miyamoto is living in the past than in the present on that one. There’s plenty of challenging games out there, just as there are plenty of simple games. Afterall, Miyamoto did create some casual experiences himself for the Wii, so not sure why he has this type of viewpoint. We all have to adapt to change, even if it’s not something that’s agreed upon. 😛 thedeciderU well said! i also come from the 80s. the 1980s. David Trail You like ten hour linear experiences with quick time events and sport games Daniel don’t kid your self. You are one of these passive pathetic people Miyamoto is referring to. oontz Are you really calling someone else “pathetic”?? Really? David Trail Yes you are passive/ pathetic as well. oontz I am passive and pathetic? How exactly am I passive and pathetic? David Trail Because of the games you listed that you liked before. oontz Ha ha, you’re hilarious. Daniel Gonzalez Even more hilarious that one calls himself a hardcore gamer, when he doesn’t even understand the term, hardcore. It’s quite entertaining. 😛 Daniel Gonzalez How would you know I like 10 hour linear experiences with quick time events? I suppose you live across my street, using a telescope to see who is playing what games. Damn Davey, you’re creepier than I thought. O_o “You are one of these passive pathetic people Miyamoto is referring to.” I would say, the guy who goes on a rampage hating anything Sony/Microsoft, and defending anything Nintendo is what is really a passive pathetic gamer. Don’t kid yourself. Have a good day, Davey boy. 😛 FutureFox Because his bosses say make “X” game when he personally rather stick to making “Y” game would be my guess. FutureFox Maybe so. Currently I get this impression from Miyamoto regarding casuals… Daniel Gonzalez Yeeeah…it does show that kind of message. Perhaps he didn’t mean it exactly as it shows in the article, but if this is indeed what he meant, then it is quite hypocritical. CapnCrumbles436 Calm down. “Its kind of a passive attitude…its kind of a pathetic thing”. He is saying that the lazy ATTITUDE which says come find me and entertain me, I will sit around and wait to see what everyone else is into is pathetic. People should be more intentional when consuming content and challenge themselves. I completely agree with him! It suggests that Nintendo is no longer as concerned with courting those who are unsure how to spend their down time and are likely focusing on the loyal fanbase. A – Kuma nintendo DID make billions of pathetic dollars out of pathetic people. I wouldn’t say the sacrifice was worth it in the LONG term, but at the time they had a golden opportunity and went for it. Slow to realize as they are, they do finally see that those people(“those people being” the casual players they targeted at the time) are gone now but the Wii U is already in our laps. There were articles in the past though that basically states that they realized their mistake with this system but they’re going to at least try to make the best of it because once the Wii U has approached it’s cut off period (i would guess 2017, maybe a year or two longer) they’re going to produce a system that’s basically the same or better than the current XB1/PS4 in terms of power/graphics. The rumor died long ago because in the grand scheme it sounded too good to be true, and with some random “leak” it was hard to understand. But nintendo does have a plan, the Wii U at this point is just something they have to commit to so they don’t pull a SEGA, but we will be getting something much better later down the line. iamserious “Does this mark a turning point for Nintendo?” “HELL YES IT DOES!” – Mr. Myamoto Daniel Gonzalez You forgot the i in Miyamoto. 😛 Rubix99 And every Zelda game since Majora’s Mask has been pathetic. Screw you Miyamoto….you are an ancient outdated relic. CapnCrumbles436 Thats a bit extreme… David Trail You are a pathetic/ casual! Jan Compaf and you are a nintendo bot spamming “defensive” posts Daniel Gonzalez Bot spammer. That makes sense considering the broken record responses. Good point. Cia So, some people are suddenly defending the casuals after years of mocking them? The hypocrisy is truly disgusting… just another convenient excuse to talk crap about Nintendo. Besides, Miyamoto is right: Casuals are not real gamers and they ARE pathetic. CapnCrumbles436 Righto Cia! ImOnaDrugCalledSheen No better way to improve your image among the gaming community then to insult them, well done Nintendo. Jan Compaf He just insulted the whole Nintendo fanbase…LMFAO allvalve Actually I think its highly likely the audience he’s talking about would never read this type of article or know (or care) who Miyamoto is. That’s the very nature of the casual gamer. The ones that do read these articles (such as you and I) would fall into the hardcore bracket. He is saying that he wants to cater more for you and I, I’m happy with that. Jan Compaf just because you post on teh internet that doesnt mean you “hardcore” you having too much mario mushrooms allvalve I think it’s unlikely that a “casual gamer” would take the time to search out an article about a piece of hardware. Actually making a post on the subject would suggest a level of interest that typically doesn’t go hand in hand with a “casual gamer”, in the same way that I might read an article about a footballer if I stumbled across it, but I wouldn’t actively search for an article. I wouldn’t post about it, as I know next to nothing about football, and posting about something you have no clue about makes you look foolish……….. David Trail Like this Jan Compaf fella lol! allvalve You said it, not me, now excuse me while I cook myself some “Mario Mushrooms” before returning to “Teh internet”. Jan Compaf oh teh N4G search, you such a hardcore gaymer, keep the delusion you sad nintendo bot David Trail More like the PS4 fan base. oontz You still own a PS4 right? David Trail Nope it was my brothers lol! oontz So you don’t live with your mum anymore? David Trail I was only living with my mum for a short time. I live in Ireland now with my misses. I have a Wii U and PS Vita. They are the most hardcore consoles at the moment, Gamingsince75 True you wont find a more casual fan base. It was Sony that brought them all into gaming with PS1 and their publish anything attitude. The last of us was suppose to be the best game ever and it failed to break 3 million without heavy discounts and being ported to a second console. Nintendo fans love Mario kart, buy 40 million copies. Sony fans love TLOU but it only sales 3 million on a console with an install base of 100million. Oh another fact. PS2 at 150 million never had a game go beyond 19 million in sales. Wii had multiple 20million plus sellers at 80 million sold. CydeFxt It’s too bad you don’t know what you’re talking about. Jan Compaf It’s too bad you are mad, oh wait its not. CydeFxt Mad? Nope. I couldn’t care less about you or your lack knowledge. I’m just saying, maybe you wanna know what the fuck you;re talking about before say something quite so dumb. Jan Compaf stop posting nothing james I agree 100% with Miyamoto… IZUNA UCHIHA I only Play the main console for zelda And smash bros Got sick of Mario and dk long ago Same with Kirby Merry_Blind How come? Mario and DK games are still excellent. Tropical Freeze is my favourite Wii U game so far. Divaitiie! People change :P. Like myself, I’m not really a Mario fan anymore. NintendoPSXTheSecond I never cared for Mario. Played 3D World and now all of a sudden I had to get Mario Kart 8 and look forward to the new 3D adventure ala 64. BrBa I like Kart game tho. Just hope Nintendo will release F-Zero again ;). Gamingsince75 Wow DK? Consider the years between releases you must hate a lot of games on Sony and MS consoles considering any game that goes past 1 is released in far greater numbers than DK.. Mario I can get but DK is just you wanting to find a reason to justify your hate. Seriously 2 console games in the last 10 years or so is too much DK? InterTriplete I agree. Games like Heavy Rain are not games, but just interactive movies. This is the genre Nintendo don’t like, and genre of players who they don’t like: people who call themselves as “players” just because they buy games with a pretty graphics, and then wouldn’t be able to pass one level of DK Tropical Freeze… PachterStation Release a powerful console with a hard drive at an affordable price that plays movies. Cater for every type of gamer out there. Casual games as the call them, knock them out for £20. People are not going to pay a premium for casual games that take a few hours to finish and have very little replay value. allvalve All of the above, but the master stroke could be to make it run on android. Nintendo can continue to do what they do best, and if “casual players” want to download angry birds that’s their business. That would make it pretty inclusive to all types of players. SkullScience Is this a joke? Are we forgetting the likes of Nvidia? they are already rumoured to be making a powerful android console to go with Shield portable and Shield tablet. I personally believe Nintendo selling out to Android would be one of the biggest betrayals in video game history. Is this the ‘I can not differentiate between casual and family friendly’ brigade again? allvalve Not at all, giving indie developers an environment they are familiar with means they can quickly port the most popular “casual” games to the system, while Nintendo concentrate on making the big quality games we would buy. Android is just an operating system, so I don’t think it’s correct to call such a move “One of the biggest betrayals in video game history”. SkullScience I think what I was trying to convey was that, firstly, though at first glance it seems viable, what history has told us is that, despite good intentions, the casual market would saturate and define the console. IOS and Android initially set out as alternatives but right now they are not even attempting to emulate consoles anymore, they are 100% geared towards the casual market. Secondly, there are already major players in that market who are far more established. For the same reason Nintendo would not try and emulate MS/Sony they would not try and emulate Apple IOS or Android. Nvidia, OUYA, Amazon, Razer via Google I/O. The market is distinct and has a differing emphasis than Nintendo IP’s. Remember, for someone who has been around the video game scene for years, like me, you will realise that right now ‘indie’ is simply a fad. It is only relatively recent. It may prove to be much more but it may not. Why would Nintendo trade all their history for that? Indie has been around in the blink of an eye compared to Nintendo, a company that has existed since 1889. I suspect there may be some pride with that and selling out to Android would never be an option. Gamingsince75 ” People are not going to pay a premium for casual games that take a few hours to finish and have very little replay value.” You just described most of the games released last gen and the sales for those games says something completely different than what you are saying. With the exception of RPGs, strategy games and MMOs, most games today do not take long at all to beat. Nintendo software currently outsells most software from most other publishers. There is no reason to reduce the price, and they do not even make the type of casual games he is referencing. Wii U has a HD in it. Just because it is solid state doesn’t mean it isn’t there and can be expanded with any USB HD. Being less powerful has helped many consoles win their generation. In fact the most powerful console has never gotten the most sales in any generation. Wii U may be less powerful but atm it has a longer list of exclusives than any other new console out. Catering to every gamer? That’s what they have done since they started in the gaming industry and still do today. Casual gaming didn’t start with Nintendo, it started with gaming, unless you think the 80 year old grandmother playing Pacman outside the local drug store in the 70s and early 80s was a hardcore gamer. David Trail RETARD ALERT!!!!!! SkullScience Yeah, let’s make a console to trade punch for punch with Sony and MS and watch as our company gets annihilated. Sounds like a plan!! People pay very high costs for short games. Most AAA titles on 360/PS3 were less than 10 hours long. Rodger_Ramjet That’s awesome! Yamamoto is so correct and of course is KING. Atleast he’s got fire in the belly and love hearing it. Nintendo is coming of age with the WiiU. It’s the only machine on the market that delivers something very unique and totally different for the gamer. I’m still looking for more racing and fighting games or CoD/Battlefield games from Nintendos own studios … That would be something very special David Trail Smash is coming out this year, keep an eye out on Bayonetta 2, and I think you might like Splatoon coming out next year. You have Mario Kart 8? Pedro Carreira I Guess Nintendo is just going to trow away all the money they got from the “pathetic casuals” right? BabyGamersRFunny So, I say Nintendo games aren’t challenging enough and I get banned?? comedy fellas, comedy!! David Trail You are a retard. That is why you got banned. oontz Yet you’re still here. Daniel Gonzalez Quite the miracle. 00EpicGamer00 Welcome to Wii U Daily! Lol. The place where you can’t speak your mind. Remember, when you’re on this site, you (for some reason) have to act like Nintendo is a God. You must never criticise them, or you will be considered a troll by some of the people on here. Tread carefully my friend. Daniel Gonzalez Those words couldn’t be any more true. 🙂 oontz *golf clap* David Trail I love COD and Fifa. Infact, Madden is my favorite game! Mario is the most linear stale game ever, And I think DCK TF sucks TLOU is a modern marvel of videogames and I cherish my collectors edition like my own son. I also specifically game on PS4. purple May I ask, have you ever played Donkey Kong tropical Freeze? Its a great game. Its also very challenging. David Trail He is impersonating me lol! purple I also like some Call of Duty games. But they’re a little too easy. And very short. But have lots of replay value due to online. But I like campaign focused games. CydeFxt Relax guy. TLOU is an amazing game no doubt, but a modern marvel……..i’m not so sure of. Don Tusk the pony is strong in this one Manuel Molina As I’m reading these comments, I’m starting to feel that Miyamoto is starting to notice why Nintendo is not doing so well in the gaming industry right now. First, they have tried to attract people who aren’t gamers with games – the casual group of people who may or may not play games. While this can make money, they have given off on trying to please those who love video games; core gamers play games. People who like to play games want games. These people have built Nintendo to be as is because they games were groundbreaking and held so much challenges, differences, and they were fun. Look at the Wii: everyone has it, but does everyone play it? Everyone brought one, but most of people’s Wii’s caught dust in the end. Nintendo needs to go back to making games again and not trying to please every single person. Yes, there’s money to be made, but look as to why mobile makes so much money. They have causal people buy a game for 99 cents and never play it after 3 or 4 times. When you’re selling games at 30 to 40 a pop, it’s hard to make someone take a chance at it. FutureFox The problem was the core gamers didn’t like the Wiimote. On top of that the “cool” AAA games were on the other platforms with traditional controls (that core gamers were used to). Nintendo wanted to change the way core/gamers played which nobody asked for. When they heard the complaints they started releasing the pro controller and started making games compatible with different controller options. So they way I see it Nintendo didn’t abandon core gamers they just changed the playing field too much for their tastes. Even now people defend the gamepad and yet those same people say they rather it remain an option rather than a forced control scheme, as with the Wiimote days. Its a conundrum of sorts because core/real gamers scream how all they care about is the gameplay but the overlooked side of the argument is they care about gameplay as long as the interface for playing games doesn’t change whole lot. Layer that with peeling of the third-party support. Third-party ports not using the Wiimote/gamepad, non-HD console (Wii), lack of Blu-ray to keep the casuals at least engaged with the console, etc etc the same old stories. Manuel Molina I agree entirely. Going from the bottom and up on your comment, I can understand the lack of Blu-Ray support, as it would increase the cost of the system, but that’s a small missing factor to draw casual people. Third-party support is gone mostly because the console isn’t moving entirely as others would like for it to move, and in truth, it makes sense because Nintendo dropped the ball so hard on releasing games. They were so set on releasing the system before the PS4 and the Xbox One, they didn’t take into account how much more work it is to release HD games and such; many games went into the back burner for 2013/2014. Sadly, if you haven’t released Zelda (something that will release in almost 2 years after the system makes splashes instead of waves. I think controller wise, I prefer it as an option. Microsoft released the Kinect with the One and began to see how sales were dropping due to issues with people spending an extra 100 or so for something they might not want, and I think Nintendo should follow. Not only would it decrease the price of the system, I feel more people would pick it up. Granted, people would say than what’s the point of getting the system, but Nintendo hasn’t done a good job of using the control in the first place anyways. And just to say, Nintendo drop the ball on their IP’s. We’ve barely seen anything but Mario, and despite Mario World being a decent game, it was a rehash of the 3DS. They need to move with Star Fox, F-Zero, Kirby, and a ton of others I could list but would make this already longwinded comment more than what it is. FutureFox Which is all a shame. If you think about Nintendo’s philosophy of changing the way we play vs the third-party philosophy of cost-effective way to port games to as many platforms as possible, Nintendo at best is at a disadvantage 3:1 with PC/PS4/Xbone fitting the third-party’s bill. They need the off-loading development time from third-parties. Nintendo simply does not have the manpower to pump out iterations of old IPs let alone new ones. The dearth of which doesn’t help their argument for owning the console in the first place…at least not until bargain sales; and only in the case of someone who simply must play something they do offer. At least Nintendo is branching out with QoL and Amiibo. If the core gaming audience is so fickle they need to engage in other profit seeking opportunities to supplement themselves. Manuel Molina While that’s true, the porting goes back to software selling hardware. Without software, the hardware will be impossible to move. And in truth, without these IP’s (doesn’t have to be every single one), their system faces that disadvantage. I see them trying new things, and Amiibo might be a profit, it is, again, trying to attract casual gamers in some sense or more so. Some core and most fans don’t seem interested in grabbing toys. I don’t seem to see Amiibo with any value. Not yet that is, but as of now, I don’t think I’ll wait that out. The Quality of Life thing, we still aren’t sure what that is, so we’re still waiting. David Trail I played my Wii all the time dude and I continue to play them on my Wii U even today. I bought Red Steel 2 on the Wii for 3 euro. The orginal Wii and Wii U are great consoles. Manuel Molina I haven’t touched mine in so long and I know a lot of others who have felt the same way. When I did touch my Wii, I played a lot of the good games released, but I remember how much dusted it collected after Zelda and Mario were beaten in my house. Don Tusk you speak for yourself. 80% of wii owners just played wii sports and maybe mario games. Purple these are some of the best comments I’ve read in a long time regarding Gaming. Josie the Sketcher MIYAMOTO FOR NINTENDO CEO!!!! Guest Holly shit!!! miyamoto!!!! hahahaha!!! 😀 Yess!!!! Bernadet Gnuyen Holly shit!!! miyamoto!!!! hahahaha!!! 😀 Yess!!!!!! new 3DS bigger better dlc!! they revealed their vission for dlc and are amazing exposing greedy third party devs all the New incredible exclusives and the WiiUs third party and gaming library all together is growing leaving the ps4 and X1 in the dust! Nintendos been dropping bombs all over lately it is deffinetly a good thing to be a WiiU owner this days. MuppetTechNews . “and the WiiUs third party and gaming library all together is growing leaving the ps4 and X1 in the dust!” http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/1483154_o.gif Thomas Andersen Maybe this means ZeldaU will have 2Modes from the get go! Normal(Like Zelda always has been like) and Veteran(Changes that will make the game not only 4x as hard, but 10x as hard) …please!!! Veterans who have stayed with this game for soon 25years need the Real Challange to Grow with them, make us feel like we are 10years old and unexperienced once again!!:) Please!:) Prizm “pathetic” sounds a little harsh. I have a feeling something was slightly lost in translation. SolarShane13 Sorry, but I disagree. You’re in the ENTERTAINMENT business! I pay you to have entertaining experiences. If you aren’t in the entertainment business, then get out of that business. I find it funny that thinks that challenging games and entertaining games are two separate things. Does he not remember his own games? Sunshine was both challenging and entertaining at the same time. Mario Galaxy was challenging and entertaining at the same time. Same goes with the Pikmin games. A – Kuma i don’t think you understand what he’s trying to say, but his words do also seem poorly translated. but what he’s talking about is people who want games that basically play themselves, or games that take very little effort (the “casual” games people claim nintendo is famous for). there are even a fair amount of games these days that are more cinematic than anything and people are eating it up. I was playing Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze just the other day, that game is pretty hard and i feel like a lot of people just kinda shrugged it off and called it a re-hash without even touching a demo at least. As you point out, his games are fun and challenging, he doesn’t have this problem. He’s just saying that he finds the people who like those easy going “casual” games and complain about the kinds of games he makes(and some others unrelated) pathetic, well he may not have actually said pathetic that could have been the translators perspective but the message is still clear enough. SolarShane13 Thanks for explaining! There are actually people like that? Damn, now I get this whole “filthy casual” thing. I seriously hope Nintendo is turning around. I hope Nintendo actually does something similar to the “Nintendo Fusion” concept, but where the console itself is like Vita that can be plugged into the TV. thunk Damn right, “Return of the King”; don’t you ever forget Miyamoto is the king of game design! Fuck Minecraft and all of Sony’s exclusives; they will never be respected, or reach the iconic status of Nintendo games. PachterStation No matter what type of gamer you are, a console should cater for everyone, even right down to gamers who like to watch movies on disc. Fair enough, you can’t expect a console to cover every genre out there, but the Xbox and PlayStation have nearly managed it over the years. Fingers crossed that Nintendo gets it right with their next console, but have got a feeling that they’re going to release something specific, when the answer is right under their nose. A powerful console with a hard drive that’ll keep gamers and developers happy. Basically, a console that can compete with the Xbox Two and PlayStation 5 (both consoles will be out sooner rather than later). Certain Nintendo franchises are wearing thin, so new franchises and sequels to games that haven’t been milked and haven’t had a sequel for years (Wave Race 4?….). Mario Sunshine 2 and Stunt Race FX 2 are 2 other games that deserve a sequel. Any gimmicks, leave them out of the box as a separate purchase. A standard controller like with Xbox and PlayStation. The Wii U GamePad is a great idea, but to save on cost, use a handheld (the successor to the 3DS). But it’ll be interesting to see if Nintendo go in another direction. Abort Mission Wow Miyamoto, why would you insult the Nintendo casuals like that?