Mighty No. 9 creator Comcept have angered some fans of the project in their latest Kickstarter update. Recently the developer appointed Dina Abou Karam as their community manager, who is known for her outspoken views on social issues, primarily gender representation in video games and LBGT rights. Many backers of the project have taken issue over her views and posts on the Mighty No. 9 forums, withÂ one backer of the project calling Abou Karam a “Social Justice Warrior”. I support Mighty No. 9 wholeheartedly, but I cannot agree with bringing in a SJW to the team. If she has any influence on the projects quality, I will be demanding a refund, regardless of whether or not it is possible to receive one. Dina is known, and generally disliked for her incredibly biased views towards social justice in favor of women and transgendered LBGT community members, often times criticizing anything that does not fit in to this category. I want her fired. I really do, but I understand if that is too much. I do not, however, think it too much to ask she not have any impact on the game’s development and design choices. Other backers have shared the same sentiment as this backer about Abou Karam in her new role. Leon Mattheson can’t wait for “being a miserable slave” with her as community manager. Ryan Gadsby commented that she “simply has no place in this project.” Some fans have stopped going to the Mighty No. 9 forums entirely, and unfollowed the game’s Twitter and Facebook page. It seems that many people are upset because they didn’t ask for this as backers of Mighty No. 9, and asking for Abou Karam to have no input on the development of the game. It will be interesting to see how this development unfolds, as community managers are generally powerful members, especially in online communities. Could Dina Abou Karam’s personal views be a detriment to Mighty No. 9, or are backers being too rash? Mighty No. 9 will be available on Wii U and other platforms in spring 2015. local_offer Kickstarter Mighty No. 9 Nintendo wii u stars Further Reading Consumer council in Europe alleges Nintendo i Switch has more games than Wii and Wii U comb Laud Honestly, I don’t like her either. She won’t make the game better at all and I want her gone. I didn’t back this either, they should have asked the fans since this is essentially a game made for fans, funded by fans. However, if they truly believe she’ll be of good use then I’ll trust them… for now. -edit- Also, before you start calling me a woman hater, that has nothing to do with anything. She has a long history of calling anyone who disagrees with her a misogynist/woman hating oppressor (just like most radical feminists.) What I’m saying is, she is not fit to be a manager of anything that has to do with community relations because she will be biased towards many things. She’ll be totally one-sided as you’ll soon find out. Wayne Beck What history where? Seriously, can one person point me to any place, anywhere, where this lady did any of these things she is being accused of? Kevin Malone Indeed, we are all eager for such evidence to make an informed decision, but the people who inform us that they’ve apparently researched her have so far not been forthcoming with specific pages, tweets, etc., and merely allude to an account or forums that we should spend however much time combing through when they should already have examples at the ready, or should already have a much better idea where exactly on those pages to look. We can all individually research in order to make a decision, but the people who say Dina Abou Karam would clearly be a negative influence for Mighty No. 9 have presumably already made an informed decision, an assertion that should already have evidence at the ready to back up. BIG Franky backing the kickstarter grants one access to members only forums. start there. Tim Roinboin Robinson radical feminism rules and sorry not sorry your unassailable boys club is crumbling NintenScience What? Entropyguy Honestly, I think if misogynists and homophobes lose interest, we shouldn’t stop them from leaving. Justin Parris That’s not really who we’re talking about though. Its anyone who gets tired of political messages. Laud Yeah, because if they disagree with her being in that role they obviously hate all women and are homophobic. Entropyguy Given that they disagree with her being in that role due to her views and not due to her competence, that would point to misogyny and homophobia being at the root of their objection. Laud I disagree with her being in the role. My roommate is gay, I don’t hate women. It is kind of strange having a gay room mate though, I’m not gonna lie. Reminds me of Scott Pilgrims sometimes, no offense, just an odd observation. Justin Parris They disagree with a political activist with an agenda being in that position. That doesn’t automatically mean misogyny and homophobia. If she were an NRA or property rights activist, there may well be the same reaction. I am however, interested in your knee jerk assumption that anyone who dislikes a feminist political activist is automatically prejudiced against women. Have you never in your life seen someone you agree with but who’s behavior you disapprove of? BIG Franky actually read up on it… that isn’t the case. and an un-intelligent & simple-minded assumption. most people that have a problem with her have a bigger problem with her actions rather than her beliefs. Tim Roinboin Robinson in this situation i’d wager the venn diagram has some severe overlap Super Buu Disagreeing with her view doesn’t make you the contrary of what she supports. BIG Franky and that is the kind of mindless rhetoric that is so poisonous to any kind of meaningful discourse and is so divisive. sad. Entropyguy So…we *should* be welcoming to bigots? o.O NintenScience xd BIG Franky No. I didn’t say that. I didn’t even come close to implying that. People that deal in absolutes (“you’re either with us or against us” mentality) are very scary to me…. you simply can’t reason with people like that… they’re irrational and usually not very intelligent. and statements like yours are the kind of judgmental types of things this chick has said to others in the community and that is what many people have a problem with. its off-base, inaccurate, and typically adds nothing of substance to any discussion or debate. I merely advocate for treating EVERYONE, regardless of their personal views (whether political or otherwise), with mutual respect… something I guess you don’t stand for. NintenScience =D Entropyguy I don’t think all views are worthy of respect, no. That’s why freedom of speech is so wonderful – it lets me know who to ostracize. Wayne Beck Who is Dina Abou Karam? Also, why should anyone care? How in the world could a Video Game Community Manager be infamous enough to cause this kind of backlash? This story is severely lacking in background information. RockieOllie I agree, as long as she does what is required of her in her appointed position, i can care less about her views on social topics. RyuNoHadouken since you cant read, let me break it down for you…she tries to influence the inclusion of gays and transgendered people in video games Wayne Beck Where? When? At what company? In what forum? How did she get this reputation? How come googling her does not bring up anything remotely controversial? Tim Roinboin Robinson more importantly “so what” Ibi Salmon No Idea. I’m assuming that people are mistaking her for someone else. BIG Franky it was a bad decision/appointment…. they obviously didn’t think it through. and my opinion has nothing to do with her political stance/ideals… as I (personally) generally agree with her for the most part…. the problem is it is a decision that ruffles feathers…. if you know something is going to upset people, then the positives need to outweigh the negatives… and they most likely don’t in this case. When dealing with large, active online communities…. why piss people off? Especially when the success of the project/site/whatever relies on a healthy and vibrant community? This was a foolish decision…. when appointing people to positions of influence, they should be “middle-of-the-road” type of people that have enough foresight, maturity, and respect for others to keep their opinions to themselves. Again…. the above applies to any/all outlooks…regardless of being left of the political spectrum, or right of it…. the more intelligent a person is, the less likely you are to know where they stand on the spectrum…. keep vocal people out of positions of influence amongst an online community….as the community will have people from all over the spectrum and you will be upsetting 50% of the members no matter what. keep politics out of it. Laud Good point. Wayne Beck Have you considered, perhaps, that Her Views are in fact the Views of the Company? Indies have the advantage of being allowed to take moral stands. I don’t even know who she is, but from what I’ve picked up from these stories about her, her views strongly reflect the views of the larger video game industry. BIG Franky I dunno….I’m guessing that her views reflect those of the Company… but if you read my comment, that shouldn’t matter….and it certainly doesn’t make it right…. and it is bad business…. as you will basically just cut your sales in half if you piss off a certain group of people. bottom line is it is just stupid to alienate people…period. and that is all that happens when a politically vocal person is selected to represent a community…. you are just bound to offend people. and the whole moral standards shit is a slippery slope…. because that means different things to different people…. there are two sides to every argument and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. again though… it doesn’t matter what her views are… even if what she stands for is in fact what most of the gaming community agrees with (which is debatable), if she is combative and disrespectful to others (which doesn’t appear to be debatable), then she is a poor choice. regardless of whether or not her views represent those of the company. Wayne Beck I’m not saying it’s good business, just a possibility. I’ve actually been looking in to this because I’ve found it to be a very confusing situation. It doesn’t make sense for this kind of reaction to come from the hiring of a glorified forum moderator. Extreme Overreactions only come from people with extremist views. There is no reason to believe this outrage is coming from anything but misogyny and homophobia(edit: not saying all the people outraged are homophobic or misogynist, but that these are the kind of people who start thing like this that snowball and draw in unsuspecting people who do not know what it is they are attacking). They can hide behind defending their investment all they want, but jumping from the Community Manger supports Women and Gays to she is going to ruin Megaman is ridiculous. Especially when all of this is based on a few Tweets from her personal Twitter account about feminism and gay rights and absolutely no professional or public record of this supposed “..she tries to influence the inclusion of gays and transgendered people in video games” Kevin Malone Indeed, people need to keep in mind what scholar Norman Finkelstein called a distinction between personal ethic and political movement. Surely, community manager Dina Abou Karam is not running a political movement, but people suggesting she would somehow use her position politically to instill her views into a video game makes the point relevant. In his personal life, Gandhi argued for vegetarianism and Brahmachari (absolute sexual abstinence), but did not use his position as movement leader to instill or encourage these values in movement members. What suggests Karam would use her professional position as a pulpit to convert others to her faith? What she adheres to personally, after all, is not evidence that she will act likewise professionally. BIG Franky we’re getting kinda off topic…. her past behavior is evidence that she will alienate members of the community…. THAT is what the vast majority of people that have a problem with her appointment take issue with. Kevin Malone I do not consider it off-topic in the least. I asked a question about how she would act professionally compared to privately because I have not yet seen this evidence of her past behavior which shows that she will use her professional position as a pulpit to convince others of her faith. BIG Franky if you are not active in the backers forums then you wouldn’t. Kevin Malone So that is the best place to find the evidence you allude to? BIG Franky like I said before bro…. if you dont have access to the backers forums that you are most likely shit outta luck. I am sure you are not asking me to breach peoples privacy buy giving you access to something you shouldn’t have, correct? I dont feel that is ethical and wont be doing it. Kevin Malone OK, that is something I was not aware of. I would not knowingly ask you to pull private information. People alluded to the person’s tweets and forums, the latter making me think it was “forums” in the sense of more than one website rather than more than one forum within a forum. You can see why I was thinking this is public information. Also, I am not sure why you would ask me to Google the evidence when, if I correctly understand you, the evidence is private. BIG Franky because the story is blowing up all over the internet so you can find plenty of other info on it, some of which includes info parsed from the private forums i refer to. damn. NintenScience It is still political. BIG Franky huh? um… yes. hence me taking issue with the decision? not sure I understand your comment as I didn’t say otherwise. NintenScience xd oadekunl Just an editor’s not I thinks it’s actually LGBT and not LBGT. Entropyguy I think there’s not really a set order. I favor GBLT because I find it more pronounceable. Still others like to vary the order within a piece so as to not prioritize one group over the other. Wayne Beck Is that like a Bacon Sandwich that likes other Bacon Sandwiches? BIG Franky actually, I’m pretty sure order does matter. its an accepted term of art since the early 90’s and is recognized by the IRS. so technically order does matter. Entropyguy Everybody quite rightly abhors a pedant. 🙂 BIG Franky haha… nice. def not a pedant, I work in the field. RyuNoHadouken gays can make their own video games and have them clearly labeled…i dont want my son exposed to that sick shit!! JAYCEE989 I am not a homophobe nor a LGBT basher, I however don’t agree with forcing homosexuality into games that seem geared towards younger audiences. I’m 100% if they want gays, lesbian, transgender characters in a more mature audience games, look at what they did with mass effect. We for the most part (+18) are more comfortable with who we are and our sexuality whether that’s heterosexual or homosexual and whatever els is out there (not trying to leave anyone out) younger audiences are still trying to find themselves and figure out who they are in life. We don’t need our E-T games forcing political views on to our children. they have the rest of their lifes to figure out who they are. Games are supposed to be a safe place, not a political battlefield. NintenScience What? Gabriel Nantes de Abreu Showing LGBT characters in a video-game or anywhere is not forcing a political view. Those people exists if someone want them ina Video-game what is the problem about that? JAYCEE989 I’m not saying not to have LGBT characters in video games, I encourage it and believe it brings diversity to the table for video games. I do however feel that it isn’t necessary to have them in kid games. If that makes sense? But also when it comes to LGBT rights it is infact dealing with political/personal views. I’m not sure if I’m making sense or wording myself correctly, I’m not trying to come against LGBT rights, and if I seem to becoming off in that manner I do apologize that is not my heart nor my beliefs. NintenScience Lol, the ignorance of @RyuNoHadouken. RyuNoHadouken why am i ignorant? because i dont want my 10 year old son to be exposed to fairies and butches in video games? yeah, ok NintenScience It is a video game, an electronic game, something which the player uses to entertain itself, instead of taking it seriously. RyuNoHadouken you must be a special kind of stupid NintenScience Sorry, but, you are only describing yourself. Daniel Gonzalez You’re the only one showing that here buddy. You have a poor outlook on gay people. I’m going to take it that your parents raised you that way or you had some bad experiences with them. Hate is the special kind of stupid, especially when using a slang word such as “fairies.” 😛 RyuNoHadouken i have gay friends…if thats what you wanna do, thats fine…im just saying i dont want my son to be influenced that being gay is cool…cause its not Daniel Gonzalez So you have gay friends but you don’t want your son to be gay? I can understand that to a point, but it sounds like you’re afraid of the possibility a bit much. Lol. If you’re okay with having gay friends, are you okay with your son having gay friends? Honestly dude, gay people have no influence on anyone, they are like anyone else in the world, They’re people who prefer the same sex. You and your son can learn from them, and being influenced by them doesn’t mean you will lean towards that so called choice. Your son will make his choice on his own of what he feels about gays in general and if he is indeed gay himself. It’s not something you will be able to control. :p RyuNoHadouken if he turns out gay, ill never speak to him again NintenScience epic fail Entropyguy I’m pretty sure your ten year old son already knows gay people exist, dude. Daniel Gonzalez Exactly. RyuNoHadouken you must be a special kind of stupid NintenScience Also, what is so-called wrong with sexuality? RyuNoHadouken its disgusting…God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve NintenScience @ryunohadouken:disqus The hatefully ignorant topic known as Religion has no place in modern society. Instead, we must depend on atheism/liberalism/science, where the facts are. Facepalm RyuNoHadouken womp womp womp womp NintenScience Get a life. NintenScience lololololololololololol, u mad? Daniel Gonzalez Your son is going to be exposed by it no matter how much you try to shelter him from all of it. Best to let him understand it instead of giving him a bad view of it. RyuNoHadouken i tell him that some people are confused and go that route, but that doesnt make it right Daniel Gonzalez They don’t seem to confused to me. Lol. Most gays I know are happy that they know where they stand as a person. Being gay isn’t a choice my friend, it’s something they are meant to be. I’m going to guess you’re either a christian or just been raised to believe it’s wrong to be gay. You have a very closed mind on the subject. I was like that at one time too dude, and I’ve realized that it was wrong to judge others based on their sexuality. You’ll understand someday perhaps, or perhaps not. 😛 Daniel Gonzalez You weren’t serious, right? Lol. NintenScience Could it be…sarcasm? Daniel Gonzalez I would hope so. 😛 Magnus Eriksson Still kind of hateful… NintenScience Exactly… RyuNoHadouken im dead serious NintenScience Facepalm RyuNoHadouken hell yes, im dead serious Daniel Gonzalez Your most beloved games could have been made by a gay person or has been. Not nice to discriminate. 😛 RyuNoHadouken i dont care who makes it, but dont put that fairy shit in a game for my son to see and possibly be influenced by Daniel Gonzalez I don’t think your son will turn gay just for seeing fairies. Even Zelda games have fairies in them. I suppose that’s a no no for your son too? Also, I have to ask. What do you consider “fairy shit?” Lol. NintenScience Ignore @ryunohadouken:disqus. RyuNoHadouken No NintenScience Yes* RyuNoHadouken a “fairy” is slang for a gay guy Daniel Gonzalez I’m well aware of the slang. You’re a bit ignorant to think that anything that references gay or comes off as such, is going to influence your kid. Your kid won’t be influenced to be gay. You sound like you dont like gays. Lol. If you’re kid ends up gay, it won’t be because of a silly video game, rather he was born to be so. Just for the record, I’m not gay. However, I do have a few gay co-workers that I get along with just fine. 🙂 RyuNoHadouken you are not born gay…its a learned behavior Daniel Gonzalez Lol. You are very sheltered my friend. You should look into it more and not listen to what hear. I’ll leave you to your opinion on that one. RyuNoHadouken good…because no one can change it Jon I don’t know what is more interesting… this or the fact that you claimed to have a son…. RyuNoHadouken #dumb NintenScience not* Robert Butters I think I missed a point. Is she bad at her job? Is a community manager an important position? Wayne Beck No, it’s a glorified forum moderator that has absolutely no influence on game design, despite the delusions of some people who think the Developers aren’t reading the forums themselves. BIG Franky dismiss all you want, Wayne… but I suggest you dig a little bit deeper than a mere 20 minutes of “research” …. you might have a more informed opinion if you were actually part of the community. she has a history of attacking and alienating people for stuff that has nothing to do with the forums…. NintenScience Why? Kevin Malone It would help if you shared some of this research with us, since you already found it. We can all individually research it, but it can help sway public opinion to share some of the findings here. Not trying to be an asshole; I’m as curious as everyone else. BIG Franky see my above comment to Wayne… I’ve done no research… I don’t need to. I’ve been a part of this for a long time. I don’t have specific items to cite…. I never kept track of such things… its more a general feel of how someone that has been a lightning rod and so divisive within a community could be appointed to head it up is simply ludicrous. (& no I don’t think you are trying to be an asshole) 🙂 BIG Franky down votes for this comment? LOL…. tools. Kevin Malone Hope you’re not assuming that I’m doing the down votes on your posts (and therefore am one of the anonymous “tools”). I’m content to engage in discussion with you without judging whether your posts are “good” or “bad.” ShilaquilOneal C’mon cut the crap. People are asking you questions about why you are against her and you come back with stuff like ” I’ve done no research… I don’t need to”. You’re being cryptic about it because the reasons behind the disapproval of Dina are not reasons that the guys who hate her, can fully explain without coming off sounding incredibly misogynistic or homophobic. And that is why they will always try to explain it away with “I hate her politics” So the real reason she’s so “divisive” is because she’s not the stereotypical woman that man-children are comfortable with. That is, she’s not just another typical bimbo talking about games but she actually has ideas and opinions. And you guys simply cannot stand that unholy combination in a woman. A woman should be seen not heard, right? Sheesh. Unfortunately, within our community we have a lot of people like that. Who are extremely insecure about their manhood and who go bonkers whenever they come across people who are different & who are not afraid to hide it either. But actually dare to flaunt it. I still remember how several bro-dudes went nuts because Petit from Gamespot gave GTAV a 9 out of 10 . And they wanted that reviewer fired. Not because she refused to give that game a perfect score, but mostly because they thought said reviewer went too far by mentioning that GTA V didn’t portray women in a very nice way. Regardless of the fact that she was merely giving us HER OPINION. But blockheads didn’t care. They went: “How dare she do that? FIRE HIRE GAMESPOT!” Its exactly the same stupid thing here with Dina. And its embarrassing that these troglodytes are going around claiming that they represent gamers in general. They don’t. Andrew Regardless of how a person feels about politics, if they are making people feel uncomfortable and causing a possible decline of sales, they need to be removed. A community manager should be empathetic and helpful towards the consumer base and relay information between the developers and the consumers. Would you choose someone with strong personal beliefs and who has a reputation for participating in fights to be the person who represents your company, or would you choose someone who is pleasant to deal with and has strong social skills? I am researching any leads I can find relating to Dina getting her job because of nepotism, which is bad because people who are unsuited and underqualified for a position shouldn’t get the job because they know the right people. Jacob D. Taylor That is such a tremendous jump to conclusion. BIG Franky has, in his very few words, conveyed to me that in his personal opinion and direct experience with her, she is not a glorious person to be around. To then juxtapose this by saying “it’s because he doens’t agree with her values” is so asinine as to be offensive. Wayne Beck Where? Has she been attacking people on the Mighty No. 9 forums? Do you have examples of these attacks? Seriously, tell me where all this horrible behavior has been happening. Laud It’s something you know if you follow people and what not. Just follow her twitter for a while and when she explodes (which she often does, calling everyone a woman hater) you’ll see her true nature. Or look at the forums she moderates etc. She is very FOR women in gaming and very AGAINST any male opinions. NintenScience What is her Twitter username? Robert Butters PetiteMistress NintenScience lol Wayne Beck Would you mind letting us know which forums she Moderated? It’s very easy to look at someones posting history on a Forum. I would easily be able to find this horrible behavior. Surely, she didn’t get hired by Mighty No. 9 3 days ago and go on some tirade. You must, of course, be speaking of a previous forums she has moderated. Kevin Malone So the way to find evidence of how she will act professionally is to keep a look out on her Twitter account? Also, what forums does she moderate, and what instances of the same kind of evidence asked for above can be linked to? Again, we can all individually research, but if people are already closely following her, surely a few examples are easy enough to point to. Why hold out? We’re all curious. Apparently some people have already done plenty of research, and if those people are here THEY should be great sources for those of us who have just been inducted into the issue, and are looking for specific pages, tweets, etc. to start. Relatedly, where does she say that opinions (at least about gaming) originating from men are inherently dubious, or what statements in particular can be reasonably interpreted to show it? Laud Come on guys I’m in class. USE A SEARCH ENGINE I’M SURE YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT, STARTS WITH A ‘G’. After class I’ll hook you guys up but damn, at least try. Wayne Beck I actually have googled her multiple times today because this kind of absurdity interests me. Absolutely nothing remotely damaging comes up. Maybe you should just site a source or name a forum. Really, you find me one place where she says even the most mildly anti-male or leftist extremist statement and I will concede to you that she is a Horrible person who needs to be fired. Kevin Malone If he spent so much time researching you would think he would have at least one link readily available. Instead, he scolds us for not researching as well as him, when in effect he is asking us to back up his statements for him. I have never been in a school course where I could ever get away with making an assertion, and when someone asked me to back it up, to say that you should easily find it yourself, and if you can’t, that’s your problem. I wish I could formulate arguments that way. Kevin Malone Hi, Laud. Actually, I would request from you specifically out of respect for the assertion that you already put in the time and effort for. When I ask for a source, I am not demanding it right away. I understand we all have things to do, as do I. I understand how to use a search engine and that we can all individually research, but I was hoping you would share some research rather than responding defensively and saying that we need to stop being lazy. You had time to make an assertion, and to reply to replies to your assertion. If you did not have time to merely look up a link or two which should still be fresh in your mind, you might have been better off making the assertion when you did have time, rather than asserting and defending the assertion by asking other commenters to find the proof for your assertion on your behalf. BIG Franky Kevin…. you have had time to do your own research as well, bro…. stop laying back like a bum waiting to have information served to you on a silver platter. by backing the kickstarter, you are granted member-only access to forums that are the source of much of the problems people take issue with… if you backed the kickstarter, then you know what people have a problem with… if not, then research. Kevin Malone I don’t see the onus being on me to find evidence for assertions I did not make. Sorry. I did do research earlier (presented on the Nez Perces Indians earlier today, and had way more evidence than I could get to in the time given me), but it was for something I made an assertion on. If I took the initiative to research every claim someone made in a discussion I was engaged in, I’d be researching all day while opposing participants laid back and relaxed. Daniel Gonzalez Eh, that’s nothing new. To me, any woman who is so offended over a male opinion and calls men “women haters,” are just insecure over their own gender. What a pity. Linnsey and you are very AGAINST women in gaming. BIG Franky I don’t have any specifics to cite as I am a backer of the project and have been an active member of the community for quite a while… trust me, if you were part of it, you’d understand…. like I said, I actually empathize with much of her opinions (in a general sense…. though she is far more of an extremist that I fancy myself), so it is NOT her opinions/beliefs that most dissenters take issue with… it is her actions…her treatment of others is incredibly poor. she has bullied people out of the community for reasons that have nothing to do with their behavior within it. its disgraceful. my point is, you seem to be brandying opinions about with no knowledge of what is actually happening. Wayne Beck I’m not brandying any opinion about anything. This kind of ridiculous over the top attempt at sabotaging someones life is Slander. This lady deserves, at the very least, for her detractors to provide some kind of evidence to support their rhetoric. You can’t have multiple supposed news outlets posting this type of story all over the internet and then say, sorry you can’t see the evidence unless you are part of our exclusive club that is no longer accepting members. I would actually back this game just to see the proof of this supposed behavior. BIG Franky LOL… c’mon man…. that’s a little over the top. no ones life is getting ruined here. PUH-LEASE. i came on here to express my GENERAL problem with a company being dumb enough to appoint a lightning-rod extremist to a position of community management….. an opinion i made clear was not because of her personal views (of which i have also made clear i am in agreement with much of her opinions)… my problem is with the short-sightedness of it and the fact that people that have helped to fund the project now feel alienated.. .that is wrong. sorry. it just is. everyone has a right to express their views… and the person at question does not agree that everyone has a right… only those that agree with her. not my kinda chick! 🙂 I’ve somehow gotten dragged into the weeds on this and i think i’m going to bow out now as this is getting ridiculous and fruitless. theres no point here. Wayne Beck You misunderstand. I was not accusing you of slander, nor was I trying to disprove your opinion. I was simply speaking to the obvious bias of a Story that has provided no evidence of anything, only the opinions of a, not even clearly defined, number of people. It is inappropriate for any news site, regardless of what it is they report on, to run a story without any facts, evidence or reason. Especially, when the story serves to do nothing but perpetuate an unsubstantiated and derogatory claim against a person who is legal bound not to defend herself in public. Kevin Malone Unfortunately, I can hold you in the highest regard, but even then (not to say I hold you in the lowest regard; only that you’re a stranger to me) I would not be able to use your say-so as evidence, as even the noblest people mis-remember, misunderstand, etc. all the time. For confirmation of the assertions presented by you and others like Laud, I am hoping someone else may be able to provide a source off hand showing that the fear over the influence of Dina Abou Karam in her new position as community manager is justified. Again, I am not trying to be an asshole, but I believe the evidence for assertions need to be brought up for examination, and it is the job of the ones who assert to bring up that evidence, even if some, like Wayne, do try to pick up that job on behalf of Laud and others. BIG Franky I didn’t present my comments as evidence…. and I don’t ask or expect you or anyone else to accept my opinions as fact…. I’m not making assertions, i’m stating my personal observations and expressing why I think it was a poor decision in a general sense…. if you want to learn more about it…. then please do so…. I am not part of that argument here… I am not putting forth a propostion, therefore I am not obligated to present evidence… if you want to learn more, then that is on you to investigate. you shouldn’t want to be spoonfed… just google, dude… c’mon man, don’t be so lazy, within seconds you can investigate if you wanted…..they have an open facebook page….its easy to find people’s complaints…. there is plenty of info out there if you actually try. I wont be copying and pasting items from the backers-only forums which is where much of the problems have occurred… Kevin Malone Still not sure it doesn’t count as an assertion. You are making a claim about someone, and that claim is based on personal observations made on specific pages, tweets, etc. I understand that you do not have particulars in mind and do not keep track, but I also do not think it is my obligation to spend the time looking for such evidence; in other words, it is not my duty to find the particulars that back up your statements. And if it is really so easy as a quick Google search, how come you don’t just do that? You should have a link for me in a moment, right? Is it just a matter of principle? Not wanting to stoop as to give an easy source to someone so lazy? Wayne already took up the advice (if he can be believed), but did not find the easy source backing up the assertion. I am curious, but I do not regularly visit the same websites you do and do not plan on combing through them. Does that mean I am being unfair in not having a firm position, whereas you are fair in having a firm position? I do regularly visit this website, so when I see people here already having a firm position on the person discussed on this page, I would expect one of those people to have at least one specific in mind showing how Might No. 9 will be undermined by its new appointment, rather than being told I should look for it myself. BIG Franky “I also do not think it is my obligation to spend the time looking for such evidence; in other words, it is not my duty to find the particulars that back up your statements.” But that’s the thing Kevin…. I’m not asking you to back up my statements…. i could care less. if you want particulars, have at it…go find them… if you don’t , then don’t …. either way… i could care less…. I’m not asking you to believe me. don’t. please don’t if it means you’ll leave me alone…. i encourage you to step back and read your comments, you should be embarrassed asking for links and examples for hours when you could’ve found what you wanted on your own with an ounce of effort. its a disgusting entitled attitude and an embarrassment…. LOL… again, most of the issues have taken place on member-only forums that evidently you don’t have access to that i guess makes you shit outta luck. sorry. i’m done with this trollish discussion that is leading nowhere (yes i feel that you are trolling here)… you want me to provide you with something that i don’t feel obligated to provide (and i certainly wont copy and paste items from a private forum that is none of your business)… bye. Kevin Malone Ah, it’s unfortunate that you think I’m trolling. I really did want to just discuss with you. I made no attempt to characterize you as dishonest, so I’m saddened that you would question my motives. I genuinely believe that assertions were made that have to be backed up, and that the obligation was not with me. I understand that you do not hold the same belief, but that you would characterize me as not honestly holding a contradictory view but actually trolling you is a conclusion I wish you did not reach. Also, it goes to show that even when you try to be polite and to honestly state your views, sometimes you are taken the wrong way. I believed you were being honest and wanted a genuine conversation, but if you cannot think the same as me you are correct that we are at an impasse. BIG Franky this BARELY touches on the problems people have with this…. the person at question is a farce to have control of the forums… if you were part of them, you’d understand! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXDSfUJBCj0 Noah Heninger I agree that changing beck into a female takes things a little far, but it was just a suggestion after all. I doubt anyone at the company is taking it seriously. As far as her being some kind of extremist, good god, man! Are you aware that around 50% of the population is female and that a great deal of them DO play video games DESPITE the lack of relatable female protagonists? Are you aware of the fact that female characters are repeatedly objectified in video games which can and does alienate female gamers who just want to enjoy the game and not be visually assaulted by a parade of tits and ass (Bayonetta is fucking stupid, btw). A little gender representation never hurt anyone, and if you had to endure the kind of objectification or non-representation of the male sex, you’d be bitching, too. And then suppose because of your bitching people labelled you an extremist. Just admit it, you have a problem with this person because a) she’s a woman with strongly held opinions, and b) because she’s agitating for change in a heretofore male dominated arena. Maybe when you have a daughters you’ll realize the value of having strong female protagonists in video games and other media. If you do have daughters, then that’s pretty sad. T-X So every buff super good guy in a video game doesn’t alienate **some** male players or make **some** feel objectified? Double Standards 101. Noah Heninger Nah. That’s just stupid and you know it. Jacob D. Taylor I have to agree with Kevin on this one. We can peruse general search engines all we want but in the end someone taking 3 minutes of their day to back their opinion is a far faster and more engaging form of relating material. In fact in the amount of time this banter has occurred ALL misconceptions over the issue could have at least been addressed if not solved. I find it hard to accept an opinion over ones character based on ‘Just trust’. Now I also understand not remembering specifics, no no, I don’t ask for specific occurrences, just a general summation of what she has done. This information has been given by a few others but not the parties at hand. Third party information is always less reliable then firsthand and with that all of us could more easiliy relate with the situation if such information were only divulged. Denvy I didn’t back this myself, but is this just basically similar to funding a Chili Peppers new CD and then finding out later that Dave Navaro will be back this time round? Why do they have to ask backers for permission to do anything? tvrsteve I’m sorry but you’re only reporting your biased viewpoint of a small portion of folks involved with the current drama. The ACTUAL controversy is that Dina Abou Karam has been appointed community manager and been given a design role in the game despite complete lack of talent or experience in either field (to the point where she admits she doesn’t play Megaman games), and only appears to have a role in the project because her boyfriend is one of the people making the game. It looks to be nepotism, pure and simple. Trust me, the controversy would still exist even if the CM was a man or held different political views. Wayne Beck What design role was she given? tvrsteve Character design to some degree Wayne Beck lol That Tweet implies she is not a designer on MN9. It says she gets to do design on projects while running the Community for MN9. Good for her though, it’s hard to become an Artist at a game company. Sonic 2099 The Hedgehog this game is STUPID who’s ever make a game what is look like MEGA-MAN metalpants If you’re trolling… you’re good ’cause I’m not sure if you’re serious or not, lol. But if not, go Google the name “Inafune” and you’ll see that both Megaman and Beck (the main character for Mighty No. 9) are created by him. Sonic 2099 The Hedgehog !!! Really they made by the same guy Sonic 2099 The Hedgehog Oops sorry Never Know this Sonic 2099 The Hedgehog But why they Angry metalpants Well, good thing I didn’t back the Kickstarter. I was very much looking forward to downloading this game day one, but now I’ll wait for reviews. I still want to support Inafune, but if this person is about to get in the way, enforcing issues that are irrelevant/unnecessary to the game’s core narrative, I’m out. I say that because things have been fine the way they’ve been. The Kickstarter campaign was a success, the game’s premise seems promising, and being that it’s based on technology, cyborgs, robots and the like (and knowing Megaman), then naturally it’s safe to assume there won’t be any sexual reference of any kind (be it straight, gay, or anything that concerns sexuality). So given these obvious points, I honestly don’t care if she handles the facebook, Twitter, Instagram and any community/social aspect surrounding the game, so long as she doesn’t TOUCH a single aspect of the game itself. I want the game because Inafune and his team are making it… and it would be idiotic to have anyone else interfere with that. Wayne Beck She’s a forum moderator, she didn’t get hired as the new Director of Design. She doesn’t have any influence on the way the game is going to be made. A Community manager runs the forums and assists in PR events. They don’t tell the Developers how the players want the game designed. metalpants Sounds good to me. I’m still cautious about it, but I do really want to support Inafune… so I guess we’ll find out eventually as the game progresses past this hurdle. Thank for the info BTW. Tyzaa Wow, you know nothing about community management, do you? She is not to blame, she is just an over-vocal girl that thinks she can change the world. The problem is the company was willing to hire someone with no skills in such a strategic position. Strategic? Yes, you heard me well. Come on, what do you think this whole Kickstarter thing is all about? It’s about a community helping a company making the game the community wants. By choosing someone unqualified just harms the credibility of the project on it’s whole: they basically just showcased someone with extreme and unprofessional views, that lies and positions herself above the community – bad. If you have a little time, check this out. Might give you a little insight on how community management impacts companies today: http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/community-management Wayne Beck I know quite a bit about community management, especially with regards to the Video Game industry. The simple truth is that the Developers responsible for making any significant changes to the game will find the information themselves and if they need help they will go to QA, not the Community Manager or the PR team. Considering the game if a Kickstarter project, it is very understandable to want a highly experienced person for the customer relation aspect of development, but as for her behavior and attitude, not a single person has been able to provide any example of the alleged bias or intimidation she is supposedly known for. Accusations without proof is slander. Super Anonymous II Nicely said. Kevin Malone I see a problem in public relations, but not sure what exactly the appointment actually means substantively, whether positive or negative. NintenScience PR? lol Kevin Malone Yeah, people are mad about it and it caused a stir, so they have a public relations issue on their hand. But I’m not sure what her appointment actually means for how the game will turn out. She has views that a lot of people dislike, sure, but what is the likelihood that her personal beliefs are going to have a notable impact on development of the game, and how notable will it be? NintenScience Why the anger? Tim Roinboin Robinson boys (especially nerd boys) don’t like it if they don’t hold complete power and are very frightened by people with vocal opinions different from theirs outside of rigidly defined categories of acceptable opposition. BIG Franky i can tell by the few posts of yours that I’ve read that you are the type that talks a lot but never really says anything…. LOL. there is no meaning behind your words…. the above comment is an example of this…. Tim Roinboin Robinson No i think i stated very succinctly and accurately what is the problem here. People do not like opinions that she has expressed contrary to the straight male status quo in games and has DARED to be MEAN to people (how uppity!). They are condemning her being given this position in advance of her even doing anything with the company. Tim Roinboin Robinson d’awww i got a pet downvoter :3 TrueWiiMaster I guess you think her complete lack of experience in games like Mighty Number 9 is irrelevant then? And the fact that she didn’t get the job through any merit of her own, but through a connection she had? People payed for the production of this game, including her position at the company. They payed for a veteran staff, not a random, inexperienced employee who got in through her “BF”. Also, DARING to be MEAN to people is a horrible characteristic for someone who’s being hired to interact with the community, especially a community who paid for the whole production. NintenScience lol Jon a lot of it is the fact that she is not someone who played the MM series or related games, not an experiences and original developer for the series and she is really only there because her boyfriend is on the team and he let her on. Bill M Except that’s wrong. Stop grasping at straws. There was already a woman on the development team long before this whole Dina fiasco. NintenScience What? -10 Daniel Gonzalez Who knows. Never heard of her, and could care less. As long as the game turns out great, I’m fine with it. 😛 Funkee Dynamite Yes nailed it! none of the arguments on this thread are compelling enough to make this an issue. Just make a great game and all will be well. Andrew W Garttmeyer agreed. It took like, 10 posts until someone had the sense to give us her twitter name. I have lost interest, bye article, forever! Daniel Gonzalez If she had any actual part in the development, it’d probably end up looking like this.(Sarcasm) Wayne Beck So, exactly the way it already looks, but with a ugly chick in the Suit? Tim Roinboin Robinson this is why nerds should be sent to re-education camps Daniel Gonzalez This is why people should learn to take a joke instead of getting all uppity over comments. Enjoy your re-education camp. 😛 Tim Roinboin Robinson so are you gaslighting or “ironically” gaslighting? Daniel Gonzalez Nah, I prefer oil lighting. It’s a great energy source. NintenScience haha SomeFluffer64 So we will see a Megaman game get very preachy about controversial subjects? Magnus Eriksson Yeaaaaah… why is even LGBT, transsexuality, homosexuality etc mentioned here? It shouldnt be of relevance for this at all. Well, I support her political views and rights. People who dont can go fuck themselves. NintenScience 6 downvotes? lol blindtiger who?! what?! she hates heterosexual males? i have no idea what theyre talking about… but the reaction seems overblown. gamers outraged on the internet?! weird… DragonSilths Meh. Some people have strong views. I can relate. Guest Yo, if you’re gonna use my quote, at least spell my name right, you mouthbreather. Nobody wants a SJW on the team because she was hired due to nepotism. Derek Anderson Apologies, mistakes were made. No need to be so hostile. Unfortunately I’m only a contributor, not an editor, but I’ll be sure to pass this along. Guest Why should I not be hostile? I was quoted without being asked, had my name was plastered on to a controversial topic, and was even misspelled at that. I dislike being associated with this, just as much as I dislike it happening. Even further, my quote is made out to look as if I am mysogynistic. Spokker That’s what these people do. Anything that is not extreme left or extremely progressive is considered misogynistic/racist/homophobic/whatever. They think moderates who support some kind of fairness in society but still believe in capitalism and hiring the best person for the job are evil. BIG Franky Derek… no offense brother, but I’m not sure what is more unprofessional…. citing a source without permission (and then misspelling his name, LOL)… or telling him “No need to be so hostile” when called out on it… wow. journalistic integrity at its finest. (sarcasm)… wow… just, wow… NintenScience lmao Guest This, one hundred times, this. I’m looking for a new job in a few months, the last thing I need is this controversy associated with myself on my background search. I thought that calling them out for taking my quote out of context would give them a hint, but they only fixed the name. I’ve made a formal DMCA in hopes that they’re willing to take it down under a calm, well-organized request, but the damage has already been done, and this will probably result in a Streisand effect, unfortunately. They seem keen to pointing out the use of calling her a SJW, when the purpose of my post was to point out that she, like many other radical feminists, often has an agenda to push, and will likely sink the quality of the game should she have any real say on development. Justagamer I say if she is that bad than don’t get the game Scott Zdankiewicz Consider this. Didn’t we all start donating to these crowdfunded games because we’re sick of the business types (investors, marketing, accountants) sticking their fingers in the pie and demanding the game be made a certain way to satisfy their bottom line? Anyone notice that it seems with these complaints that we’re now becoming what we hate? We are now the ones with the money and making demands of the developers, or we threaten to pull our support. In short, we’re becoming the monsters. Gabriel Nantes de Abreu Maybe in the end we always were the monsters…=/ Tim Roinboin Robinson Whenever I hear nerds get cranky about women with Opinions I automatically think of this http://www.harkavagrant.com/?id=341 NintenScience We do NOT get cranky about all female humans. Instead, it is about the comments Dina Abou Karam says AGAINST any sexuality, especially if it is against male humans… I am Error. I look at it this way… Tom Cruise is insane. But I love his movies. In short, who cares?! If she’s an advocate for gay rights that’s probably because the gay community still finds itself fighting for the same rights straight folks have. I don’t know how the makers of my favorite games feel about social issues and really don’t find it at all that important to my enjoyment of a title. If we start picking apart the beliefs of everyone who turns out games, TV shows, movies, music, we’ll find lots of things we don’t agree with. Just let it be. Skelterz I’ll snog the bitch then fire her myself. Moreck These people need to grow up. Nabbic Hey Derek, I want to level with you here… You seem far more mature than the person who wrote the article blaming misogyny on another site, but you seem to have gotten your information wrong like him. You see, your article makes it look as if people only care that the person is a social justice warrior. Honestly, very few people, if any, actually care about the whole SJW thing, neither does anyone care that she’s a woman… Hell, there’s already a woman on the team before her, a veteran in the video game industry, and most of us are really psyched to have her on board. And we respect and understand others beliefs and opinions. The issue is that she doesn’t belong on that team one bit. She’s acted nothing but unprofessional, deceitful, lied and yet to answer basic valid arguments that have been calmly put forth to her. You see, when faced with issues like evidence showing she’s never played Megaman, despite working on the spiritual successor to Megaman, and being the voice of a community of Megaman fans, she simply locked her twitter without warning and promised it would be back up, only to have deleted all incriminating posts when it came up a few hours later. There has been evidence that she may be working as a designer, and working on Robots, but here’s the thing… Her artwork was rather terrible and let’s face it, nowhere near the art style of MN9 that reflects what fans have played and loved. These same fans have backed almost 4 million dollars into this project. They have invested being promised this wonderful spiritual successor, and now there’s a member of staff who could stand in the way of that, who has no roots to the team, and quite frankly, evidence suggests she’s only there because she had friends working there. This isn’t about her agenda, this is about her unprofessional attitude and that she represents a community of something she cares nothing about. This is why fans are mad. And I hope you can reflect upon that in your article with edits, or perhaps provide a new article. Thanks for reading this, and I hope seeing a second side to this has shed some light into the issue. I really suggest looking at Heavy01’s excellent posts on the official MN9 forums as examples of some valid, well laid concerns that have yet to be answered, as well as highlighting some other issues that you may be concerned about. Adam Howell If she’s in favour of social justice… that’s a good thing, surely? Nabbic As stated below, this particular issue has nothing to do with social justice warrior remarks and has been massively overblown by the internet. The issue with the fans is with her conduct and lack of passion in the area she’s representing the community in, as well as potentially working on a game and altering it to suit her own needs, and not that of the typical megaman fan… The same fans who contributed a large amount of money towards this project. Had this issue been about social justice remarks, I would have been ashamed to associate myself with the internet in general… We, bar a very select few, respect her own opinions and I respect that she intends to keep that personal, though the way it was handled was very distasteful. Spokker I think people were more concerned with the fact that she had no experience with Mega Man, but social justice is not automatically good. Adam Howell Query whether or not she was socially just by all means, but social justice itself is pretty much the definition of good. Spokker “Social justice” sounds pretty good, just like the “Patriot Act.” I guess if you don’t support social justice, you don’t support justice, just as if you don’t support the Patriot Act, you’re not a patriot and hate America. Adam Howell That’s a ridiculous analogy. Spokker It’s something that sounds good but isn’t always. Point simplified. Adam Howell Name one example of social justice being a bad thing? Spokker Hiring or admitting applicants based on race and not qualifications. This was bad in 1950 and it’s bad in 2013. Adam Howell Objecting to positive discrimination doesn’t mean objecting to social justice. In fact arguments against it tend to also be on the grounds of social justice. Objecting to the inequality of opportunity it debatably brings, is basically saying it is socially unjust to have “positive” discrimination. I personally don’t object to the principle of redressing the balance through positive discrimination except I have doubts about its effectiveness. But that’s another issue. Nobody is hired just on qualifications, never has been – never will be. If we lived in a meritocracy there simply wouldn’t be a problem, but we don’t, not by a long shot. When you’re not faced with racism personally it’s easy to overlook the extent that it affects our world. I used to work for a company where the staff around me (I worked around the top managers there) were horrifically racist. I would never have gotten a job there, at least located at that office, if I wasn’t white. Spokker Not to mention that AA in college actually discriminates against Asians, not whites. AA is not practiced much in the private sector anymore. You are right that nobody is hired just on qualifications. Look at the Mighty No. 9 community manager for proof. But the reason I don’t fret over it is that it is very difficult to prove. I suspect that there are some jobs I have not gotten, jobs I would be really good at, because I don’t look like the people who do those jobs right now. But how would you prove it, and would I waste time and effort trying to prove it? Racism is a natural facet of human behavior. More accurately, it’s tribalism. You had an experience where you know that you would not be hired at your old company because your are white. Well, I know that you wouldn’t be hired at the WMATA in Washington DC because you are white. And even if you did, you wouldn’t be treated very well. This is because as blacks have gotten into power in that organization, they reverted to the natural state of human beings, tribalism, looking out for one’s own people. I don’t think this will ever change no matter how many diversity meetings we have, so my philosophy is to just go with it. Oh, and the people at my last job were racist too. They were mostly Hispanic, and made jokes about blacks and Asians. To be fair, they also made jokes about other Hispanics. I’m half-Hispanic for the record and this was in Southern California. Edwin Yes Spokker, just like Mighty No 9 fans, they sound good and united and are just a bunch of tard fucks. NintenScience lol Brian Lockett You can give any ideal a pretty name. Ideals of “social justice” are often variously defined and proposed. It doesn’t mean it that such always measures up to its claim in a name. NintenScience She is NOT always for social justice. Edwin What are you, her cousin? NintenScience No. Brian Lockett Define “social justice” here. Someone demanding that a character have their gender swapped, merely just to fit a personal politically-correct agenda, differing completely from what people had envisioned for the game they invested their money in supporting, while getting a job with no experience in the style of game or even with the Mega Man franchise, all due to having inside connections with the company, and then get put in charge of monitoring the community of those reasonably-concerned backers just to top it off…isn’t “social justice.” Rinslowe I wish for simpler times…. Games. Games and just some fkcn really great games. Leave the politics AND the bean counting up to the politicians AND the bean counters, lol. Dehydration Good god. There’s so much information missing here and everything’s getting simplified into something that wasn’t the issue at all. Here’s a rundown on what happened. – Around the time of the MN9 Kickstarter taking off, Dina posts fanart above, agreeing to a post that includes ‘please make Call playable, or make Beck female altogether!’. This was the first we’ve ever seen of her. – Some time later, an announcement in the MN9 forums come out: Dina has been appointed as Community Manager. – Backers are wary, since her first appearance didn’t particularly paint her in a positive light. The CM relays backer’s thoughts to Comcept, so it is pretty important. Others are fine, they think it won’t influence game design. – People dig into her twitter. Treasure trove right there, tweets going ‘Never an MM player’, something of ‘bf is working on the project’, and a pretty big one – ‘I got community manager AND designer!’ followed with ‘designing robots FTW’ or something of that sort. – Two problems. One contradiction, her first forum post claims that her favourite MM is MMX. The other is her post saying ‘AND designer’. Like it or not, her style does not match what was already shown to us. – Backers get worried. Neither nepotism nor inexperience were anything they put money into. Lots of questions asked in forums about these topics. No answer. – Some moderators try to keep things calm and explain why Dina’s A-OK. The problem is that they do this by mod editing on the question posts of the backers. People generally don’t like that. – Until a bit later! Dina locks her twitter. People get even more riled up. When the twitter is unlocked, all those posts go missing. – Dina comes up, confesses that yes, she only just started playing recently but she’s played MMX and downloaded some classics when she found out she was in the running for CM. And yes, she did know people in Comcept. Oh, but bf actually stood for best friend. Designs? That’s another project, actually. – People aren’t satisfied. Why the disappearing posts? Why lock twitter? How did you actually get the job? Didn’t you say ‘community manager AND designer’? How much input do you have? Are you lying? – Mods try to cover for her. Again, they fumble. Mod edits and warnings for ‘Slander’ abound instead of concrete answers. – Eventually, two backers are banned. From viewing a forum they paid money to access. For ‘trash-talking staff’. The SJW stuff did raise concerns, but that wasn’t the issue at all. To any thinking that her gender may have been a problem, I present Manami Matsumae. Composer for MN9 and also a veteran with many other classics under her name, including the original MM. And we’re cool with her. Nintenjoe82 Nobody should give an iota of a fuck either way regarding this appointment. You’ll just create the next Michael Pachter if you keep talking about her. Edwin indeed! David Horowitz Isn’t it a bit soon to be getting mad at the game? They’re not planning on releasing it until April next year. Brian Lockett Folks are more concerned about the development of the game–not its release. By the time it’s released, if any undesirable changes are made to the game’s original vision, it’s too late then. Simon Stevens What if Megaman was a girl? :p that’d be awesome, save it for another game though or have it be an unlockable character, or even an optional playable character (for the ladies sakes 🙂 ……and mine 😉 bewbies!), kinda reminds me of that thing that went around “What if Zelda was a girl?” LOL poor Link, women thought he was Zelda Daniel Gonzalez I have to wonder. If Link is pretty much the star of The Legend of Zelda series, why does Zelda get top billing? What does she do that’s so legendary? Simon Stevens http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/124/1/6/tloz__princess_zelda_by_takilmar-d4yhyuw.jpg I rest my case on her giant chest 😀 Daniel Gonzalez That explains it. Brian Lockett Well, Hyrule her kingdom, and her kingdom’s need that always summons the need of the Legendary Hero, and the power of the Triforce is usually her heirloom. But I guess the real answer is that Link’s a gentleman? LynxAmali Ashe and Aile exist. They get Model A and ZX respectively. Hell, both are better than Vent and Grey. pandaman27 I’m really disappointed that WiiUDaily has decided to legitimize this “outrage” by even posting this news article. You’re saying that someone who has been outspoken about SUPPORTING the lgbt community has joined a project, and for that people should be WARNED? This is a bigoted outlook – to say the least, and honesty, wiiudaily should be ashamed of themselves for even trying to suggest this news item as a legitimate point-counterpoint. Brian Lockett That’s not the issue. The issue is of her qualification for the job (or complete lack thereof), as well as her tendency to make a loud fuss over her views (such as claiming Beck should be a female character). I think Wii U Daily could’ve emphasized the whole issue more, though. Though, they didn’t warn people for her views, but rather, her typical outspoken manner of how she goes about expressing them. But I think this whole comment section has answered this well enough. With her role as a community manager (ample opportunity to exercise a “mod complex”) as we all contributing as an artist, she poses a risk to the integrity of the project. There is also the some saying she got the job through someone she knows working there. The only folks who’ve made this issue about her personal life are some people who fail to see these aforementioned points, confusing them as attacking her personal views. The only problem here is that she doesn’t fit the mold of someone who’ll make Mighty No. 9 as great an experience as the paying backers had thus far anticipated. Donaald A radical feminist gets a job at the company by sleeping with employees, the irony is delicious. NintenScience rofl Brian Lockett If anything’s delicious, it’s the combination of your comment with that Miyamoto troll face. Homor My biggest problem with her role as community manager is that she clearly isn’t qualified for it. The job of a community manager is to serve as a bridge between the community and the developers – but the overwhelming majority cannot stand her. How can she accurately asses what fans want when the vast majority disagree with her? NintenScience This is 2013, and still there is someone who bashes us? Hmm… Jason Isn’t it illegal to use someone’s name like that? Lain You should probably not mention Brickerdyke’s name, even though you misspelled it. Especially seeing how you took his quote out of context to paint him as some kind of mysoginist. That’s libel. Edwin That’s what they’ve been doing to Dina in the forums you fuktard. WhataShame If she somehow steps over a line or attacks someone, then it’s time for someone to reevaluate her appointment. Until then, I wish the internet would stop being a bunch of whiney little asshats. How about becoming active about something that actually counts in life. At the very least… like her or not… SHE can make that claim. What about the forum/internet whiners? Jonathan George Anaya I’m against a LBGT Feminist in ANY part of the online gaming community. Nintendo games are to be safe from sexual predators and the like. Families mustn’t be worried that Gay propaganda be snuck in from the creative process. SHE ADMITTED IN TWITTER TO NEVER PLAYING A MEGAMAN GAME!!! How can this BIKE add anything to this community You don’t see me shopping in the Summer Eve section… I’m not needed there Edwin Fuck you too, you scummy piece of shit. NintenScience xd Guest You are just as ignorant as @PetiteMistress:twitter. Brian Lockett …Irrelevancy has spoken. Butts Well I will give the journalists here this, they didn’t jump on any clickbait bull and kept bias out of their post. Points for you Wii U daily. I suggest anyone unfamiliar with Dina or what’s happening watch this video to be informed of the possible issue at hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXDSfUJBCj0 jrob23 great video. I can understand fans reaction. That said, it’s just a video game, and she’s not the developer. She’s also pretty cute, is self deprecating, and can be funny. They could have done worse Butts I appreciate you actually took the time to watch it. and yeah, I’m hoping that nothing comes of this. My biggest concern, as addressed in the video, is that she represents the entire western audience. She get’s to say what we want and what is important to us. Her latest actions on the forums are definitely making me conflicted. She “edited” a very long and well thought post addressing concerns with her by a well liked member… but she also claims that she turned down media exposure to portray herself as a victim and has said she wanted to “prove herself” through her actions to us. I guess everything is out on the table, now we just have to sit back and see what happens. jrb363 As a community funded game, I think if the majority of the backers don’t want her in charge of the forums (their primary way of communicating with each other and developers) then she should step down/be fired. The FANS funded this game and the FANS should have their say. Maybe not in art direction, music, development, or any technical aspect of the game but they SHOULD have control regarding their community. Brian Lockett Yep. In short, they should get what they paid for–being an integral part of the game as its community. ControlBlue And of course the press is going to twist the stories to get all those self-righteous clicks. The fact she is a woman and has feminist affinities is NOT the problem people are having with her. The problem is that she got into the project thanks to her boyfriend (girl power right?!), is unqualified when it comes to Community Management as her handling of the whole situation proved (trying push thing under the rug, censoring, ignoring users), AND is NOT a Megaman fan. Either she wanted the job because she saw the easy opportunity knowing someone in was or did it because she wanted to push that whole ‘Beck should be female’ she said in the Backers comment thing is her problem. What matter is that she is not qualified for it. Kevin James McAllister Basically, everyone’s mad because 1) Before getting a job, she posted on the forum saying that she is frustrated that women are underrepresented in video games, and suggested either making Call a fully playable character or making Beck a female character. 2) She got the job in part because she knew people at Comcept, though she also has a design degree, has worked on games in the past. 3) She was hired as a Community Manager but also contributes designs to the senior designers, who then can approve/deny/edit her designs to be put into the game. 4) She had tweeted that she never played Mega Man, but later claimed that Mega Man X was the best Mega Man. People think she lied, though it’s possible that she had since played Mega Man games and fell in love with X. This is the only clue that she is “dishonest”. She had later locked her twitter and after unlocking it, the post saying she never played Mega Man was deleted. As far as I can tell, this is it. People really need to calm down. Are females underrepresented in this industry? Yes. Should we change that? Yes. Will this really affect the game? Probably not. Is it that bad if she’s contributing robot designs to the art team? Nope. If they don’t like her designs, they won’t use them. That’s it. She’s even said that any personal agenda she might have won’t really make it past the art team if they don’t like it. So basically people are upset because a woman has talked about issues of gender representation of video games, and they don’t want that because MEN. Spokker “Are females underrepresented in this industry? Yes. Should we change that? Yes.” Why should this be changed? Despite the massive effort to get more women into CS over the past few decades, the proportion of CS graduates who are women has markedly decreased. Could it be that career-orientated women are deciding to make more money doing better jobs? Kevin James McAllister The amount of people in the field is irrelevant. The amount of women playing is almost equal to that of men, so they should be represented in the games they play. It’s called not being selfish and being open to new experiences. If everyone needs to be your gender, race, sexual orientation, or whatever for you to enjoy a game, that’s just messed up. But greater representation can only be a good thing: we’ll get new takes on stories and new experiences through character. And the more normalized these things become in multimedia, the better received they are in the real life. Equalizing representation in art and entertainment will literally make the world a better place. If you don’t like the idea of making things better for everyone because you need to see your white or black male character (as that’s what 99% of lead characters are) in order to feel validated for playing the game, then that means you’re selfish and bigoted. Spokker The ESA statistics on the gender split in video games is flawed. The ESA’s goal is to make the games industry look as big as possible to investors, even if that means misrepresenting the situation. When it comes to consoles and games like Mighty No. 9, the gender split is overwhelmingly in favor of men and boys. This can be easily found via a Google Search. Nobody says that women can’t play the games. Even if they do, they can’t control what women do with their money. They can go into Target right now and get any games and systems they want, but they don’t, despite the fact that they control the majority of household spending. I play primarily female characters if given the choice, but I also understand that only 18% of Mass Effect 3 players *who beat the game* chose to play as the female Shepard. This is in spite of making a femshep trailer for the first time, and offering dual cover art, one with the male version and one with the female. I chose to play her because 1) the voice acting was better and 2) I was a big fan of Xena back in the day, and sort of played her as that kind of character (stubborn, does what she wants in the name of good, loyal to her friends over big institutions, etc.). But if a developer said, “Well, we don’t have the resources to fully voice two main characters, so we are going to go with the one that is most popular.” I’m not going to throw up a Change.org petition and ask that my wants be met. By the way, what is the gender of the cars in the Forza series? Nary a hint of sexualization, hardly any people as far as I can tell, but very few female gamers playing those games. Could it be that men and women like different things? How offensive. Why aren’t more women railfans? Why aren’t you promoting a cause to get more women into trainspotting? Because there’s no money in it. There’s no attention to be gotten. Because it’s pretty lame. Video games suddenly became cool over the past few years, and now some women want attention from it. They are the gamer girl types who pose with the Portal gun on their Facebook pages but haven’t actually finished the game. “But greater representation can only be a good thing: we’ll get new takes on stories and new experiences through character.” When a British game developer can create the definitive video game version of South Central Los Angeles, I hesitate to buy into these theories. The intensity of the research done is more important than the color/genitals of who is doing the research. Kevin James McAllister I think you misunderstood the point of my post. I’m not saying we need more women behind the scenes of games. If more are interested, great, but there’s no point in trying to jam women into development unless they’re fully qualified and interested. My comment about new experiences and stories is related to female characters in game. New types of characters definitely provide for different perspectives and characterization in video games. That was my only point for that. As far as changing genders for characters in video games, I never suggested that for existing franchises. I merely said that, as an industry, we could use more female protagonists. Sure, fewer console gamers are women, but part of that may have to do with the small amount of options to play as someone they can relate to easier. Games like Metroid Prime and Tomb Raider show that female protagonists can still sell great games. So a larger percentage of new IPs should be female. This benefits us in many ways: perhaps bringing more women into console gaming, giving us new character perspectives, and in general expanding our typical gaming experiences. Never did I suggest turning Link, Mario, or Nathan Drake into women. Claiming that I did is being dishonest. This argument is for the gaming industry as a whole. I do not care if Beck is male or female, though having Call be a fully playable character would be cool. Though changing Beck’s gender wouldn’t really hurt anyone, because the franchise has not been established yet. That being said, the presence of a single person on the team that wants a female protagonist is not enough to make changing Beck’s gender a viable threat to anyone who is against it. People need to calm down and deal with the fact that one of the people on the team wants a female character. Dina, the person in question, even said something akin to “good luck getting any personal objectives past these guys”. It’s really a non-issue for this game. She’s one person who would like to see it happen, but pretty much knows it won’t happen. So people need to calm down about her presence on the game and her small role as contributing design ideas to the art team. Brian Lockett It comes down to the simple culture of personal interest. Simply put, women generally aren’t interested in computer science much. This isn’t to say they’re incompetent or anything, and it’s certainly not the case with all women. In fact, historically, women have made great contributions to computer science. Ada Lovelace and Grace Hopper practically invented modern programming. It’s just to say that while the average male programmer started programming during their preteen years, this simply hasn’t and still isn’t being said about many females. Most programmers, myself included, started programming as soon as we wanted to make our own games, right around our middle school years. It’s the most common back story. But not among many women. Women tend to be artists in the industry more than anyone involved with computer science, but even then, there are male artists that outnumber them, and who tend to be the kind of artists (style-wise) that the industry seeks more. Usually, they hire guys who pretty much grew up drawing the kind of games they play. It’s not usual of many women artists to grow up doing a lot horrible creatures, men in big armor, fancy vehicles, and super-complex sci-fi worlds complete with robots. I’ve noticed that most female artists tend to be environment, prop, and NPC artists and rarely are the lead artists working on main characters and game world designs. You hear of one every now and then, but generally, I rarely see a female artist leading the art project. Funny enough, a woman in the gaming industry is more likely to see advances on the business-suit side of gaming than the actual development side. Case in point: http://money.cnn.com/gallery/technology/2013/10/24/most-powerful-women-gaming.fortune/ You can find a number of non-developer women governing the studio’s business side, increasingly. Businesswomen have increased sharply over the past five decades, but female developers, not so much. There are perhaps neurological reasons behind such the lack of female programmers and game designers in gaming, since men tend to process better in the left hemisphere of the brain than women and are neurologically-advantaged to handle spatial perception better (result perhaps stemming from men historically needing to be the strategic and with a sharp sense of spatial perception as hunters of human society). Women are more relationship-oriented in nearly everything they do. They tend to be more open and clearer communicators than men (well, except when dealing with us at home… lol). They tend to have more relationship-oriented solutions than men, who tend to be more non-personal with a practical “it’s just business” with our solutions. It’s no surprise that businesswomen are more likely to be a career choice than a game developer. Generally, as human beings, we tend to do what we’re more adept at doing or what we develop as an interest early on. I do agree with your general sentiment in that there isn’t likely going to be much of a change of this tendency among women, despite massive effort to reverse it. I don’t expect this to change. Especially as the field gets higher in demand but young women generally still aren’t getting a general interest for computer science earlier in their lives. But we will, however, probably see more women running game companies as non-developer leadership roles, such as CEOs, managing directors and co-founders. LadySunami Actually, it’s quite likely that women have abilities equal to men especially concerning spatial perception. Studies have shown that when both genders undergo training prior to being asked to perform a task involving spatial perception, the performance gap between men and women shrinks considerably (Vasta, Knott & Gaze 1996). The difference probably comes from the sort of toys male and female children are encouraged to play with respectively. Little girls are given plastic dolls, phones, tea sets, etc. These are toys that train children in social skills. More then just dressing them up, dolls are good for role play and acting out scenarios, as are phones and tea sets. Little boys on the other hand are usually given toys like LEGOs, Lincoln logs, and K’nex. These toys are clearly more focused on building and creativity and would improve boy’s spatial perception. That’s not to say there might not turn out to be a real different between the spatial skills of men and women, but considering how different our upbringings are it’s really hard to say what is nature and what is nurture. Obviously my own life experience is only an anecdote, but I grew up with LEGOs and Lincoln logs as well as Barbies, and much preferred the former. The creative building I did as a kid might be helping me now as I pursue a degree in chemistry. Brian Lockett I’ve replied. I’m just waiting for the editor to approve my comment. I think I edited my typos one too many times. 😛 jrob23 to address a couple of your points. Saying you never played a MM game, then shortly thereafter claiming X was her favorite, is a bit disingenuous. Because she is either lying about playing it, or dumb for saying the only game she ever played (X) is her favorite. I mean, of course it’s your favorite, it’s all you have played. So I can understand people not trusting her either as a fan of the series but also the words she speaks. Changing the sex of a protagonist is pretty big. Imagine Link turning into a girl The fanboys would revolt. She dates someone there, and has friends there. Procuring employment was aided by this fact. That I don’t see why people care unless it’s due to really preferring someone earning their job. I personally think this is pretty weak to get upset about but I can see both sides. She seems chill to me, but fanboys are passionate about their games and those who backed the game and expect a certain degree of professionalism and the product they envisioned when they gave money Kevin James McAllister Sure, it’s a bit disingenuous. I’ll give you that. But we also don’t know if she’d dedicated a lot of time between those posts playing the Mega Man franchise. It’s possible that the Comcept team basically told her, “If you want to work on our game, you have to get familiar with Mega Man.” Maybe they didn’t. Who knows? But it’s possible that at one point she never played mega man, and that at a later point she did. I remember her tweet about not playing Mega Man was in October, and this whole thing happened in December. So in two months, she could’ve played a lot of Mega Man. There’s no reason to assume she hasn’t. But the other thing people need to realize is that, even though this is a spiritual successor to Mega Man, it’s NOT Mega Man. I’m sure people who’ve joined development processes for other games have, in the past, not played the franchise previously. It’s not enough by itself to discredit someone’s qualifications. I understand being a bit cautious regarding her role at Comcept. I do. But I can’t understand why people are upset as much as they are. It really seems like they’re scared of women being in more games, and they’re using all the other things as excuses for why they’re so upset. People keep saying “she’s awful and rude and attacks people” and “she constantly lies”, and yet I haven’t seen any attacks yet. I have only seen one “lie”, and as I said earlier, it’s possible that she has played Mega Man games since that one tweet. People need to just take a breather, trust that Inafune knows what he’s doing, and see how the game progresses. Brian Lockett Actually, I’d be more concerned about the art team accepting her work and potentially some of the views they might express because of looking “politically-correct” with social issues. It’s quite fashionable (image-wise) to be about these outspoken issues these days. If she can do the job just as a plain commission as a hired, then okay. I’d understand–even outspoken people have to eat. But I’d be confused about their choice in considering her for this particular project, since her past art style seems nothing similar to the Mega Man art style, and I doubt she has much experience working on a Japanese-style game. And as a community manager, I’d hope she wouldn’t get into any confrontations with the community. As a community manager, you have to deal with all sorts of people, while maintaining your professionalism, and doing what’s best for the company and not so much just your personal views. I know that an opportunity to manage a community can also lead to opportunity to engage in controversy, which just isn’t good for the game. I would hope it’s not for any sort of statement in any sense at all. I wouldn’t assume they hired her for more than just as an employee under their direction, but I wouldn’t put it past some people to potentially have ulterior motives, either. It’s amazing how often some folks do things in trying to publicly don a good look of concern about social issues. But hey, I wasn’t an actual backer, so I’m not nearly as upset as some of the backers are. I’d just hate to see a game coming to the Wii U lose its greater marketing potential. Spokker There was one thing that was really sad about this, and that was that I learned how little passion there is in the games industry anymore. There is this one guy, Heavy01, who was probably the biggest supporter of the game. He described how one of the few games he had as a kid was Mega Man on NES and that he grew up playing it. He also described how the best people for the job are usually shunned in his home country and that friends and family are given jobs in his nation’s government. So his criticism was that the community manager for Mighty No. 9 has no experience with Mega Man games and that this fact was flaunted. Further, it appears she got the job because she knows someone on the team. My question is, why can’t someone like Heavy01 be the community manager? Why aren’t these people sought out? I’m not even a big Mega Man fan, but I could identify with how much passion he has for the series and its spiritual successor. Then the #MightyConfessions trend started where people started admitting they worked on major game series and had no interest in the earlier installments. One of them was Diablo III, and it all started to make sense. Virus6 If there was a male that was hired under the exact same circumstances and had the same qualities, I’d be suspicious in the exact same manner. This has nothing to do with sexism or whatever bullshit people are trying to bring up. Gabriel Nantes de Abreu As an example of that being…??? Yukari Amane That logo placement is really unfortunate *snigger* Brian Lockett lol Aamir Islam So is she in support of the LGBT community or against it? If she is in support I don’t see a problem with her being i this position…. Brian Lockett That’s not the issue. The issue is of her qualification for the job (or complete lack thereof), as well as her tendency to make a loud fuss over her views (such as claiming Beck should be a female character). With her role as a community manager (ample opportunity to exercise a “mod complex”) as we all contributing as an artist, she poses a risk to the integrity of the project. There is also the some saying she got the job through someone she knows working there. The only folks who’ve made this issue about her personal life are some people who fail to see these aforementioned points, confusing them as attacking her personal views. The only problem here is that she doesn’t fit the mold of someone who’ll make Mighty No. 9 as great an experience as the paying backers had thus far anticipated. Nabbic UPDATE http://strawpoll.me/865387/r A recent strawpoll has been released. This should explain some basic arguments for why people believe Dina should not be the community manager. Notice how “Because she’s a woman” is the least voted argument? Because this isn’t the case. “Feminist” and “Social Justice Warrior” are also very low on the table, these also aren’t evidently the case. I hope this puts a stop to these articles. Blurple_Berry_Supreme I love how the highest rated answer (as of right now) is that “She knows nothing about Megaman”. And really, this is understandable. Lots of media, including comics, movies, video games, etc, have incredible promise during development, but it takes one fucking idiot who isn’t true to the goal with power to fuck it all up for everyone else. Skelterz Bigggg News! i was just checking out an online catalogue for a company called woolworths they used to be massive in the uk for anyone who’s british you should recognise the company anyway i think they may have made a big blunder by letting the mario kart 8 release date slip check out this link, my thoughts are if this correct that nintendo are planning every two months to release a AAA game in 2014, donkey kong comes in feb kart come in april, smash bros in june?? only time will tell happy gaming. http://www.woolworths.co.uk/gaming-dvd/nintendo-wii-u/wii-u-games/e/b/103540.end?pageNumber=3 Random12multi I dun get it Brian Lockett I’m not as sharp about it critically, but I do agree that Dina Abou Karam would be a detriment to Mighty No. 9. She’d be a detriment on several levels. They didn’t sign up for this when they backed the project, and I’d be just as upset. They risk possibly seeing it turned to some kind of a platform for Dina’s expressing her non-Japanese style, to showcase her lack of experience she’ll bring to the team, or to express her strongly-opined personal views (such as having Beck turned into a girl) in any degree, and that simply wasn’t on the originally-proposed agenda. If she can do the job just as a plain commissioned employee, then okay. But I wonder if she can do it without raising any fuss or calling any shots from personal agenda. And I also wonder how she even appealed to them as qualified, since she apparently had little experience with Mega Man as a franchise, and likewise, has little experience working on such a Mega Man-style game. In several ways, her inclusion on the team can spoil the project, or at least make the smooth ride bumpy. Hungry Mega Man fans backed Mighty No. 9 just as it was proposed, after years of waiting for a Mega Man-like experience from Keiji Inafune himself again, and they aren’t looking to have its straight-from-Keiji vision altered or spoiled in any sense.