Danny O’Dwyer’s The Point series is pretty popular on GameSpot and this week and he asks a simple question: Is the Wii U a failure? He discusses sales of the console up until this point, as well as past failures and accomplishments of Nintendo that have led us up until this point. The video provides an interesting look at the future of the Wii U as well. Check it out and let us know if you agree with his assessment below. local_offer gamespot Nintendo wii u stars Further Reading F-Zero X gets updated on Wii U to fix control New Zelda Breath of the Wild trailer and game Super Mario Maker Wii U vs 3DS comparison (vi Get Ocarina of Time on 3DS for only $14 New teaser site for Zelda: Breath of the Wild released How to track NES Classic Mini stock in time for Christmas Luciano No,it’s not. *go back to play SM3DW* wober2 I know its partly because I enjoy the console and nintendo but why must we b so quick to call something a failure? It just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Same goes for vita blackberry, ouya, windows 8 phone. Rinslowe You answered the question actually…. Certain people and media label it a failure prematurely, precisely because it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. John Andalora Even I wouldn’t say a failure. However, remember that Nintendo expected 9 million to be sold, and only now sold the 4 million they thought would be sold early last year. I don’t think it’s a failure. Just below expectations. Magnus Eriksson So far it has been a failure, or more precise – a fiasco. If Reggie announces/show trailer from a new Zelda this Saturday (I believe he will), then they might turn things around. If not, then the console is dead within a year. Nintenjoe82 Fiasco is a very good way to describe the release schedule of 2013. I would call the VC Release Schedule a cluster fuck or circle jerk. Magnus Eriksson I really dont get it what they are doing with Virtual Console. I know for sure I would find the Wii U much more interesting with good libraries of classics. Also I find the solution with Wii/Wii U separation a bit strange. Why didnt they work it out so it worked with one and the same OS? That way they could have made many Wii Games available digital. Im sure that would have helped alot the first year. Nintenjoe82 Agreed. I with think we could go on forever with this list: Why isn’t Wiiware properly available on Wii U? Why did they abandon their crusade against loading times? Why didn’t they wait if they had no 1st party games ready? Why did they let 3rd parties make a load of old ports for launch instead of getting ports of the 2013 release schedule? Rinslowe Yeah VC has been handled rather badly so far. I’m thinking they’re having genuine issues in figuring which titles to uplift (so to speak) to HD… Rinslowe I don’t agree that the consoles success rides solely on this upcoming reveal. Hardly. If more specifically Kart and Smash fail to make headway in unit sales then Wii U is in danger absolutely. DK, Bayo 2 and X will all be phenomenal games and I believe will move a relative no’ of systems in their own right. BUT, the bulk of that responsibility rides on the first two top tier titles – Kart and Smash. In fact if you are wrong come this weekend and it isn’t Zelda, all that does realistically is place Zelda further down the line as we all know it’s coming inevitably within 12 – 24 months. And before you go reference plummeting stocks and waning investor confidence… I know, I know..lol That will be a factor too… 😛 Also, the way in which this guy from gamestop flies over both Kart and Smash as though their release will hardly garner any attention or stimulate sales is criminal! Watch carefully as Kart releases and this same character flop flops all over the place, as he tries to maintain whatever little cred he has left at that point, lol. Whether we personally enjoy those two titles or not, one should never underestimate the power of either to sell systems! incoherent1 I think it’s a little crazy to say “Reggie has to drop a Zelda game on Saturday or it’s dead in a year”… Do they need some big announcements and successes? Sure, but it doesn’t have to be Zelda and certainly doesn’t have to be in the next two days… nameucanthate YO RETARD NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR DUMB OPINION. YOU ARE A FAILURE IN YOUR MOTHER’s EYES, AND YOU TURNED OUT QUITE BELOW EXPECTATIONS. IF YOU DONT TURN AROUND AND GET YOUR DUMB ASS OFF THIS WEBSITE, YOU WILL BE DEAD IN A YEAR. Magnus Eriksson Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another 11 year old kid who thinks he is tough behind a computer screen. Well, couldnt care less really. NintenScience Again, the AGE argument is the final refuge of the weak-minded… lol Magnus Eriksson So, what age would you guess based on that post? 11 is a vey likely age. Its not an argument by the way. I dont waste time on arguments with such. NintenScience xd Rinslowe Yeah, I don’t like those ones either. It’s impossible to tell really. Personally I think that guy is just clinically retarded and could easily be over 40… Although if you were implying that fellow Magnus here was weak minded? Well – that also qualifies to the point you are trying to make equally as much as age… 😛 I know, I know… touche’ Edit: I was implying actually to be frank, that you see – “implying” people are possibly stupid is equally “weak of character”. Not saying you are, but if that’s what you were “implying” then I’d have to say, like I said…. NintenScience What? Rinslowe No need to ask what and downvote me first lol…. 😛 Don’t even try to deny it! Rinslowe Actually as I was saying to Stuntedscience – um no Nitenscience, he could very well be a lot older…. Just not the full breakfast…. Rinslowe Did you draw that yourself? And I have to say, as far as Autobiographies go my good man. Your’s is quite frankly shocking. My sincerest apologies to you. wober2 I do kind of like that this might put pressure on nintendo to give us amazing games. Jack5221 I seriously don’t understand why haters are calling Wii U a failure… When PS3 first came out, they sold 3.68 million consoles in their FIRST year. Sony lost billions of dollars because of that. Yet, Wii U is a failure, even though their 1st year is not over, they’ve already sold 4million, and are losing a whole lot less profit than Sony did during PS3. And what about all those red ring of death Xboxes? Wii U is perfectly fine. Im not being a fanboy here, Im just stating the facts. 1 year on the market is still too early to determine whether or not your console is a failure. The Ouya on the other hand… Now THATS a failure… EDIT: Okay true, Ouya is not really a game console to be compared to the big 3, but in a way they kind of tried to be. I don’t like seeing companies run out of business, and I certainly don’t like seeing people lose their jobs, but come on… Ouyas controller is awful and the commercials bashing Sony, MS and Nintendo, claiming its better makes ALL of us laugh at it. For that its a failure. Nintendo never did anything stupid like that, other than poor marketing, and not releasing any must have games at launch. Its doing better though, and will only go up from here. Magnus Eriksson Eh… PS3 was not released in Europe until March 2007, after the fiscal years ending. And the numbers you are refering to are Japan and US from November 2006 to March 2007. It was 3.68M in 5 months, beating the Wii U with a couple of hundred thousand… By the end of December 2007 it had sold 10M, compare that to Wii U’s 4M. Based on what you just said. Will you acknowledge Wii U as a failure too? Mario Not really. Magnus Eriksson not really what? Cdwoods I don’t think you’ll ever figure out what he means. Rinslowe Neither systems were or are failures. PS3 more obviously with the gift of hindsight. Wii U, well it’s just too soon to say… 4m + is a community now and growing. It’s painfully obvious to me actually. Nintendo drops first party titles and units start selling. The moment they miss a beat on next years line up though, if they do…. Not good, not good at all. I think they understand the importance of timing and consistency on that point, as of today. And I know Reggie isn’t exactly a reputable source from many peoples opinion (I’m not one of those people, have to say). But here’s a lite read where he’s saying just that… http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/04/nintendos-reggie-talks-wii-u-western-development-operation-rainfall/ Magnus Eriksson My comment was just a comment to the guy getting 34 upvotes for being factual wrong. While mine, that is factual correct gets downvoted. Isnt that kind of funny? Daniel Gonzalez Indeed it is. It is a Nintendo news/blog site. You should know how it is on all ends. 😛 Magnus Eriksson Yeah, im of course aware of that. But its kind of stunning that people dont care about the truth. Some even want to be lied to. I will never understand this. Daniel Gonzalez I’m with you on that, dude. I see this kind of behavior on websites that cover PS Vita, PS3, PS4, 360 and Xbox One. This one is no different. They don’t want the bad news or really the facts. Just that their product of choice is awesome. Of course, I’m talking about the diehards/extremists(fanboys). The rest I feel can take fair criticism. Rinslowe Sure there are some. But I like to think I stay positive toward Nintendo because of my understanding of it. And my ability to process good and bad news equally in order to ascertain reality. Or reading between the lines so to speak. I know your comment was not likely directed to me personally, but still I felt the need to put my experience across as well. That and I believe the majority of Wii U Daily users don’t actually follow a blind direction when contemplating Nintendo and Wii U topics. It’s just unfortunate that certain vocal individuals are so persistent in spreading either extremes. My personal peeve is when this is done without any intention to substantiate as trolls almost never have views that hold up under closer inspection… Daniel Gonzalez There are enough here to show that the some is a bit more than that. I’m not saying everyone is in here. I would be fair and say maybe a few percent of the users that visit here daily are trolls or crazy fans that choose to ignore the facts and want to be force fed lies. Nah, my comment wasn’t directed at you. Just those who are too extreme that it’s just funny to either let them run their mouths or facepalm when they make the most craziest of posts. I do admit, that even the biggest troll can sometimes have truth to their statements, but most are just talking out their rear. Truthteller or Springer come to mind. Rinslowe ” even the biggest troll can sometimes have truth” I got that far and just knew you were about to reference Wii U Daily’s most cherished resident troll, lol. Tis a pity he was snuffed out before the chance to truly make something entertaining. 🙂 NintenScience Truthteller or Springer come to mind. – Daniel Gonzalez lol, @springer85 jrob23 I think people, and I won’t name names…who don’t own a Wii U can not speak intelligently about it. Without holding the gamepad in their hand, experience what it is like to switch to off tv when your children want to watch Doc McStuffin, playing glorious Wind Waker HD and Super Mario 3D World, and Miiverse, you cannot know how different an experience it is from the other consoles. But people keep coming on here and other sites and make asinine comments about its merits. They read Michael Pachter’s ignorant comments and predictions or watch this GameStop video where the guy says “why play the shittiest looking version (Wii U) of AC4” when in fact it is a) better looking by far than the PS360 and maybe not quite as good as the PS4 or Xbone more due to developers laziness..and they think that gives them some insight and ammunition to come here repeating unoriginal bullshit. It’s tiresome. If you own a Wii U and are unhappy then I am surprised. Hopefully you can find one of the many great games the console has and you will change your mind. If you are on the fence and waiting for certain games…come back and stfu until you buy it. You sound moronic and nobody wants to hear some troll spouting off about a console they haven’t played. Daniel Gonzalez ” If you are on the fence and waiting for certain games…come back and stfu until you buy it. ” Nah, I think I’ll continue to come around despite what you say. I know you’re not naming names, but that’s basically what I am doing. You do know that people also come here just for the sake of news, right? I think your wording is off. I think you mean people who don’t own one can’t speak from experience, not intelligence. People like myself are speaking on what we read from news. I also have friends who do have one, and more than half say they aren’t too impressed, so I will take their word on that. Yes, I have and tried the gamepad before. I think it’s an okay device, but I’m still on the fence with it. Until then, I’m going to be here reading and add my opinions of it. Sorry if that bothers you, but all I can say to that is, ignore the comments of me and others. It’s really that simple. Rinslowe I see you responding to that guy, but his reply says it’s to me. Now I’m like holy sht I’m stuck in the twilight zone right now and what the sht is happening here? LOL jrob23 I was trying to protect you but you ARE the very person I am referring to. Do you not see that your insights and opinions on a console you don’t own mean jack shit? Do you not see all the downvotes on your useless posts? Or you are such a troll that that is why you post and what drives your readership. You come here for news on a product, that’s fine. But you don’t own it so you can’t speak intelligently about its faults or strengths. So why do it? Ha ha..glad you could read between the lines though, there is some intelligence there after all. Just not when it comes to the Wii U. jrob23 and another thing. getting your Nintendo news is one thing, you can go to IGN, Gamespot, Destructoid, NIntendoLife, NintendoEnthusiast for your ‘new’. Coming a Wii U exclusive site, not owning one, but spouting your awful opinions about it, does not make you any friends of people who do own one. Because it sounds like you are talking out of your ass…and you are. Let’s be real, you are the definition of a troll. A very successful one at that as I and many others have wasted our time responding to you. So congrats on that I suppose. If and when you get a Wii U it would make sense for you to come here. Rinslowe Was that directed at me? Because if so. Shame on you, for not doing your due diligence. Again, are you sure you replied to the right person here pal? I’ll let you confirm that before I reply to the rest of your post… long_dong_donkey_kong “If you own a Wii U and are unhappy then I am surprised” That’s really all you need to say. If you own a Wii U, if you’ve played New SMB U, if you’ve played Pikmin 3, if you’ve played Mario 3D World, and if you have played Wind Waker HD, and you are not enjoying yourself, then something is wrong with you. I get being disappointed by the slow release schedule. I can understand if you think there are not enough games, but given the releases in the past few months and the upcoming releases, any gamers who do not have the Wii U as part of their video game diet are doing themselves a disservice. Nintendo systems might now always offer plentiful releases, but their flagship titles rarely disappoint. My personal opinion is that if you don’t have a 3DS, if you don’t have or don’t plan on getting a Wii U, and if you don’t have another option like a PC, PS3/4, or Xbox 360/One, you are doing it wrong. jrob23 agree, I have the 3DSXL and Wii U and will purchase a PS4 next year when it has more games. Andrew W Garttmeyer Some people even lie to themselves ABOUT themselves. Rinslowe Always the sunny optimist…. 🙂 Daniel Gonzalez Indeed I am. Rinslowe hahaha if only. 😉 Rinslowe “My comment was just a comment to the guy” Yeah I know, I actually realised that Magnus. Just using your comment as a vehicle to go on a related rant… 😛 You can see I’m not referencing anything in your comment directly because of this reason. 🙂 Michael DeVore To be fair, the PS3 was considered a failure in its first year as well. The video is at least admitting that Nintendo isn’t going away, and that the 3DS is doing just fine. They do have to pull out of this soon to get 3rd parties, but since 3rd party support has been an issue since the N64 it’s not that surprising. Even the Wii lacked decent 3rd party support, but they used the excuse of hardware differences to justify it. Though it looks like they may have better indie support than they’ve ever had, and I’ll be happy with that. GermGerm The Ouya hasn’t been out for a year yet though…. Jack5221 Lol still. They haven’t even broken 50,000 sales. Thats really sad. DarkYoshi Because they’re haters.. xP Adrian Byrne am not a hater i love nintendo and my wiiu but i think its a failure, at least sony saw the ps3 was failing so did what they could to save it nintendo seem to just sit back Lil J Moore And what did they do to save it? Wait like 3 years to do a price cut after losing so much money? Got some good games? PSN+? Call of Duty? After failing for so long, How’s the Vita by the way? Adrian Byrne whats nintendo doing? Lil J Moore Creating great games Fixing the little problem Merging with 3ds Fixing the big problems Creating great games Miiverse Making better use of the gamepad Oh and did I mention Creating great games? Something the ps4 and Xbox1 will also do in the future (not all). I don’t buy into hype. There isn’t a game worth my purchase for the ps4 or Xbox1 right now. Adrian Byrne Oh you mean kart & smash bros I have them for the wii Gameonfool I know Nintendo just can’t deliver, same old, same old Shane ♓ You’re absolutely right, Nintendo is just trying to fool us into buying their “New” console that’s not too much of a graphical upgrade from it’s predecessor and force ports down our throat of software that looks practically the same on the Wii. My you’re perceptive… The irony in your statement is delicious. Alex Smye-Rumsby I have Killzone, COD and Assassin’s Creed for my PS3 as well… lonewolf88 no he means a super smash bros whith a thousand times better online a mario kart with new course ideas and bigger ideas did i tell you there in 1080p native 60fps? and new control schemes plus mario kart is the top kart racing and racing game and ssb4 will be the best fighter atm melee is but i sense that it soon will be taken down by sbb4. whats ps4 got terrible knack? a copy of infamous with a new name?? a downgrade killzone from killzone 2 and 3? yeah that sounds great. Arthur Jarret I agree. When it’s March, Watchdogs and Infamous will warrant a purchase of the PS4 for me… but this holiday season my money will be better spent on a 3D HD beamer. I’d rather play mario 3D world on a 400″ screen than killzone and need for speed (which are the only current games I want). I’d just wish they would update it to include stereoscopic displays >.< DragonSilths Things that they haven’t done before, ambushing people on a plane and giving them free Wii U’s and showing up at the VGX for the 1st time to show off something. So forth. Graeme Lynch Ouchy! I love my Vita. Granted for a small handful of games but Persona 4 made it a system seller for me. Joey i hate vita most worst handheld i ever tried not very comfortable, that’s just my opinion. Graeme Lynch True it isn’t the most comfortable of systems to hold but that doesn’t mean I don’t play it for hours. My hands ache from the 3DSXL as well just not as immediately. lonewolf88 hey guess what personna is going to 3DS now 😛 Graeme Lynch Hey guess what – I know. Not only do I know I don’t have much interest in art direction Atlus has taken with it. The big question will be if Persona 5 will be published on the WiiU. lonewolf88 another thing atlus didn’t put it on the 3ds sega did remember sega owns atlus now. lonewolf88 ps3 failed for 3 years then they noticed nintendo isn’t doing good for 1 year and its the end of the world i bet if ps4 doesn’t do well the first year there won’t be doom articles fact. Rinslowe Actually I think it’s more to do with related profits of any kind. Nintendo news good or bad (but mostly bad) is a hot topic today. Especially for sites like that one. Or any one for that matter ultimately. Sad really though eh…. DarkYoshi Well I wasn’t all serious c: I’m tired of these discussions all over… Even tho the world wouldn’t be where it is now without. capitalism1023 This. There were no articles calling for Sony to drop out of the game or become a third party publisher, but for some reason people want to treat Nintendo differently. The Wii U has already sold over 4 million consoles and people act like Nintendo is going to go out of business tomorrow because of it. People seem to forget that Wii was king last generation, the 3DS is doing phenomenal holding the number 1 spot on the hardware charts for the past 6 months, and that Nintendo has great games coming out for Wii U in the next year. Us Nintendo fans just have to realize that our favorite gaming company will always be hated and criticized because they’re conservative, innovative, and march to their own beat unlike many companies today that bow to the latest trends and take the watch and follow approach. greengecko007 There were, and still are, plenty of articles criticizing Sony’s launch of the PS3. Just because you may not have paid attention to them, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Jacob D. Taylor Actually they are extremely NOT prevalent at this point in time. They don’t appear in any comparison of the Wii U by other sites and in no way have had the frequency nor consistency of Wii U slaughter sites. Daniel Gonzalez They are there whether they are not frequent or consistent. I think you missed the point or are just defending the Wii U. No offense. 😛 Jacob D. Taylor No no, Daniel, read between the lines. I’m only defending capitalism 1023’s post. The difference in frequency between PS3 failure and Wii U failure posts/articles is vast. That isn’t really something that’s up for discussion. Daniel Gonzalez Sounds like too many complaints to me. From my experiences, I think people worry too much on who gets more bad publicity. It just seems like tradition to hate on Nintendo, so I don’t think people should worry about bad news all too much. Even if it was the other way around, it’d be the same deal for me. News is news, and most of the news encourages crazy wars over trivial things. Can’t say I don’t get amused by it all. 😛 greengecko007 It may not be as frequent now to criticise the PS3, but that should be obvious seeing as that news is 7 years old. It is still talked about though, and you will find it on many websites that reported on how the PS4 can’t afford to fail too. greengecko007 Really? I encourage you to take the time to do a quick google search, and maybe even read a little, and then you will see that there are many articles about the failed PS3 launch, both new and current. Again, just because YOU don’t follow the news, doesn’t mean it’s not happening. All of the other consoles have been criticised, so is it not ok to criticise the Wii U? Jacob D. Taylor Well that escalated from a ‘here’s my opinion’ to a ‘you suck monkey dick asshole!’ conversation. First to clear out some confusion, I search video game news every single day. Maybe for 5 minutes, maybe for an hour or two. I’ve been doing so for over 10 years, so to call me one who does not follow the news makes you one of two things, A. is wrong, and B. is a moron because what do you know about me? During hte PS3’s launch it was criticized for doing bad but how many people said Sony was going to go bankrupt in the next 5 months after launch? Riddle me that Batman and I’ll consider replying to your next childish assault. greengecko007 “Riddle me that Batman and I’ll consider replying to your next childish assault.” Coming from somebody who just called me a moron? I never once insulted you or your intelligence. I merely tried to show you that you are uninformed. Anyways, I don’t really care how often you follow video game news, the point still stands. Just because you don’t witness something, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. People on this website regularly talk about how Sony is in major debt and has been reporting losses for years. There are many people, including analysts, concerned with Sony’s well being as a company. Aside from consoles, Sony has been a failing business, and if the PS4 does not succeed, Sony will not be around much longer. You will see plenty of people on the internet saying the same thing. It’s ok to criticize Sony and Microsoft for their obvious mistakes, and it’s ok to criticize Nintendo for theirs. John Andalora First off, that’s a lie. PS3 sold (from Dec. 31 2006 – Dec-31 2007) 10.53 million consoles within their first year. http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/PlayStation_3 (I use Dec. 31 because it only adds one month from release. If we just went from Quarter 3 to Quarter 2, we’d lose about 2 months). They lost a lot of money because of the cost to make one, but their sales were far higher than whereever you got that 3 million crap. Second, the Ouya has been out for less than a year, and you call that a failure. A) Can someone say “hypocrite?” Telling people not to judge the Wii U for only a year and then judging something else for what it’s done in less? B) Do you even own an Ouya? C) An Ouya is far off the spectrum. That’s not the kind of Triple A thing you’d expect. It’s just a community of video game enthusiasts making games. Jacob D. Taylor It was however the subject of hot debate. A mere 6-9 months ago the forums were full of Ouya will kill Nintendo, Ouya will slaughter Mario… now here we are backtracking. More than anything THAT is what should be mentioned. Ouya was supposed to dig the Wii U’s grave, but it hasn’t. So PS4 and XBone need to. Rinslowe Yeah, I do remember the hype around that topic. That makes it a relevant point to include it in that way, IMO John Andalora Huh. I don’t remember that. I certainly didn’t think so. I think it’s a fun diversion from the standard of high powered games that come from every other console, but certainly not something that would take down any major console. As for PS4 and Xbone, I don’t know. It might, or it might not. We’ll just have to watch and see. Fboogey Dude are you on this site to hate on Nintendo? I’ve read several of your comments on various articles and you seem to be VERY pro-Sony and ever so subtly taking shots at Nintendo and that’s fine. But realize this a Nintendo fan site. We’re here to discuss and celebrate Nintendo and the WII U in particular. I understand we need balanced coverage and there’s gonna be negative nintendo news, but you seem to doubling down on SONY all the time. Maybe go to PS4 daily? I’ve read several of your comments on different articles like I said, and first I thought you were just a realist, but now I’m starting to think you’re a Concern Troll. John Andalora Issue is PS4 daily is pretty quiet. I’ve been on there before, and there’s at most 10 comments there. As for my comments, it is true that I used to just hate on Nintendo and the Wii U. Had a Wii U for a year and didn’t care for a single game I got on it. But I’m trying to move on past that. I sold it to someone who I think will play it more often, and I’m just keeping an ear to the ground if something comes out that seems interesting. My recent comments are more geared on the people here who bash PS4 without even trying it once. Some mock the sales over 2-3 weeks by comparing it to a year of Wii U, some mock the games, others insult “mindless jock bros” and such. I see no problem in celebrating Nintendo, but I don’t think there’s much of a reason to bash Sony either. Jacob D. Taylor Agreed. I will honestly hate on the Xbone, but I feel PS4 has taken a road that will serve them well in the long run and bless them I hope it works. I’ve been a huge PS3 and PS4 advocate. Not my system of choice, obviously, but I find them a hardy second. Jacob D. Taylor Yeah, even in my family conversations (with in-laws granted) it was hot debate. I got very fed up with the internet hassle and in person babble of how Nintendo was dead because the Ouya’s arrived! It was silly. I don’t mind the concept of Ouya but I have different interests in teh long run and never found any value in it’s business model. jrob23 but you are including two Christmas seasons worth of sales. It was also a blu ray player at a time when blu ray players were still expensive so people thought of it as a dual purchase. That was genius on their part. It also came during an economic boom. At the end of this Christmas season if the Wii U hasn’t breached 6 million then it could be in serious trouble. John Andalora If you to argue about the economic boon or how it was also a Blu-ray player, then fine. But the purpose of what I said wasn’t to try and show Wii U was a failure because of how great PS3 sales were. I was clearing a blatant lie with proof. I’ve said on here I don’t think the Wii U is a failure, or that it will fail. I just think it’s below expectations. jrob23 it is for sure below expectations. It has failed to take hold due to poor initial launch software, losing 3rd party support, not having blu ray capability, competing against cheaper rivals including the wii and the economy. But to me, despite low sales which I don’t care about, it’s a success because I am getting my money’s worth SkateRyan Does anyone own an Ouya? :/ John Andalora I don’t know if anyone besides me does, but I do. Picked it up over the summer. Actually pretty fun, not gonna lie. Mercurio2054 not me DragonSilths Cause the “HarDCoreZ” don’t like Nintendo. Picking on Nintendo is what all the cool kids do. Plus listening to idiots like Michael Patcher just give them more ammunition. Arthur Jarret The haters are completely right. Graphical and computational power is what sells devices. This is why the console marlet is doing so badly compared to the PC market and why microsofts latest windows version is selling like hotcakes. Jack5221 Have to disagree with you there. Software sells hardware.. When you compare the 3DS and PS Vita, 3DS is outselling it by a landslide, hardware wise Vita has way better specs. And how can you say the console market is doing bad if PS4 sold 2.1million consoles in less than a week and Xbox sold 1 million. Arthur Jarret http://arch.413chan.net/joke_over_head-%28n1297144930266%29-%28n1307153027475%29.jpg Rinslowe That’s a really quite varied arch. I’d be interested in knowing the details of each point of deviation to see why he may come closer to knowing the joke at times and further away at others. Wouldn’t that make this joke rather impossible to be true? Ponder that for a moment…. Arthur Jarret It is actually just a small part of a major arc that moves through various social layers: http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcII/ArcLength_files/image001.gif We’ll want to determine the length of the continuous function on the interval to be able to measure where it went wrong. Initially we’ll need to estimate the length of the curve. We’ll do this by dividing the interval up into n equal subintervals each of width and we’ll denote the point on the curve at each point by Pi. We can then approximate the curve by a series of straight lines connecting the points. The curve is based on multiple variables – which give the variation on a microscopic level. These variables include, but are not limited to, social culture, knowledge of my personal posting history, internet/forum experience and current mood. Rinslowe Lol – that was poetry my friend. Love’n your work I especially like the use of the term “social layers” here. I’m nigh on ecstatic on the possibility of seeing your formula for that one. 😛 Akatosh No, the reason why the PC market is fantastic is because everyone has a PC for its many different utilities. NOT because of power. Most people don’t own $1,300 computers. Arthur Jarret You were so close to figure it out. Although you didn’t note the PC market has been declining for years now (slowly being taken over by tablets, consoles going mainstream and even smartphones), you did note that the game market of PC is only a fraction of the console game sales in a way – and that not many people own pc’s strictly prepped for gaming. Good job! – and then the real intent of my post still went straight over your head. Rinslowe Yeah it’s while everyone else was saying fun, Jaguar was asking people to do the math. And we all know how good the average person is at doing the math, lol Arthur Jarret Wasn’t the hype about brain training one of the reasons the DS started selling? Math sells. It’s a fact. Rinslowe Lol, you’re preaching to the choir my friend… I was adding infinity to your equation. 🙂 Psst: It’s not the no’s which are the problem…hehe. Akatosh What I got from you: graphics sell systems. What I told you: Utility sells systems. Arthur Jarret What I said: look at PCs over consoles What is happening in the real world: pc hardware sales have been declining year over year, while console adoption is rising at a steady rate (exponentially, even). Conclusion: my comment was an obvious joke post. Result: I’m slightly disappointed in the general direction of this cinversation. I’m reading a wii u-centric sight, for christs sakes… it should be obvious I’d be an advocate of gameplay over graphics Akatosh It’s not uncommon for anti-Nintendo trolls to wind up on a Nintendo site. And I’m sorry but you’re disappointed in the general direction of this… “cinversation.” What? XD Arthur Jarret I always tend to mis-type when posting from my wii u >.< Let's go all the way and call them 'ninversations' from now on :D! Rinslowe Way north of that figure… NintenScience No. Marketing sells hardware. Arthur Jarret Then why did the Atari Jaguar fail? It had awesome marketing! http://www.retrogame.biz/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Do-The-Math-Atari-Jaguar.jpg Rinslowe No retail, approved outlets and online stores sell hardware…lol 😛 Marketing and Software both are the lead up to the sale. Just saying. Rich Garriques i watched the video on gamespot and left a comment , i thought the video was really stupid i mean why do they keep talking about how the wii u is or could be a potentially a fail , the way i see it now is the game sites are the perpetrators because they keep adding fuel to this fire with non sense like this. and putting up stupid videos is a far cry from helping Nintendo its just silent hate. Andrew W Garttmeyer I just think it’s a failure in terms of ‘what I was really hoping it would be in the first year.’ Miguel Alejandro Vergara The only console that failed was the Virtual Boy, everything else Nintendo has been successful, not 100M successful, but they’ve never “failed”. Haters gonna hate, cause they wanna play Mario on a PS4 or Xbox, but screw them, wanna play Ninty get a Ninty console, period. Commander Jim PS3 only released in a few regions in its first year. Not the same thing. Sander van der Ham Eh, everyone seems to forget that the 360 and PS3 did worse than the WiiU in the same timeframe. Those did very well in the end. Magnus Eriksson It didnt. It did much better. Rinslowe Unless he’s referencing within the launch period…. Magnus Eriksson Then its almost the same. PS3 3.68 vs Wii U 3.45 Rinslowe Actually that’s right it’s roughly the same time frame… Well, then I feel obligated to do a Reggie and remind everyone that we can see how PS3 turned out. And not to mention the 3DS. To make a long story just a bit longer. Too soon to say if Wii U is a failure or not. Lets all wait and see, I reckon. Shota precies, 2014 word een goeie jaar voor wii u Vitor Samuel Gamespot is a failure… incoherent1 My biggest disagreement with his analysis: “2014 doesn’t have many games coming on the Wii U.”…?!?! Is he living in the same world we are? – Mario Kart 8 – Bayonetta 2 – X – Watch Dogs – Donkey Kong – Smash Bros And maybe: -Yarn Yoshi -SMT x FE And that’s just the stuff we know about, before they announce new surprises that are on the way. Give me a similar list from Xbox One or PS4 that’s equally impressive… Vitor Samuel He must be a FPS only player, thats the only explanation… John Andalora -Thief -Watch Dogs -The Evil Within -inFamous: Second Son -Destiny -Dying Light -The Witness -Deep Down – Drive Club And that’s what we know. Maybe -Uncharted -Yager Development project Vitor Samuel 80% these games you mention is all the same stupid genre, thats why our game generation is lost… John Andalora 2 of the confirmed games that I mentioned are shooters: Destiny and Watch Dogs (which is one he mentioned). Thief is a Stealth game. Dying Light is an open world horror, while Evil Within is linear horror. Drive Club is a racing game. Deep Down is fantasy action. inFamous is an open world third person fighter. So whatever you’re saying about “80%” being the same genre is a load of crap. Vitor Samuel Yeah, i mislead the words. 80% is first person games that resembles each other a lot, without any graphic or scenario difference. John Andalora Again, you’re wrong. Destiny, Watch Dogs, inFamous, Evil Within, and Deep Down are 3rd person. If you’re implying that they all are realistic and therefore lacking differences, that’s as bad as me stating that most of Nintendo’s games are just cartoony and therefore lacking difference. And you’d respond with “no, these games are completely different in how you play and what you’re doing.” Same thing in realistic style games. Just because they are styled realistically doesn’t mean they’re the same game or bad. I would suggest branching out and playing a more diverse range of games like this. Vitor Samuel To me still look the same, so in this style i gonna keep with just syndicate and BF4. John Andalora Wow. That is a terrible reason to not play video games like this. In fact, this is the worst reason ever. If I said that all cartoony games like MK8 and SSB and DKC and 3DW all looked the same, so I won’t play them, you’d think I’m an idiot. I feel sorry for you. Vitor Samuel Im not saying they cant be played, im saying they’re not a good reason to buy a PS4. Stay focused on the OP. This list is not as good as of Wii U.They’re all the same, and that’s what im saying. “Give me a similar list from Xbox One or PS4 that’s equally impressive…” John Andalora Again, you talk about how they’re all the same, after I take the time to explain how they aren’t. You’re not worth the time if you aren’t gonna even make an attempt to listen. Joey yup you are an idiot John Andalora And you’re not worth my time. Goodbye. lonewolf88 how did it go from what console is better set for 2014 to nintendo games look cartoony look at this guy side stepping. John Andalora This guy said all the games I listed look the same because of their style. So I assumed that he was talking about the realistic style of games. And I made the claim that if I had said that “all games look the same” with non-realistic games just because of their style, people would call me crazy. I did this to show him just how crazy he was for saying such about realistic games. NintenScience lol boynhisblobs You’re implying that because someone owns a Wii U all they play is cartoony games? Zombi U has been voted one the best zombie survival horror games of all time, very “realistic” graphics. X looks like it’s gonna be an amazing open world rpg and Bayonetta 2 is 100% for the hardcore gamer. Nintendo can do both but the same does not apply for Xbox and PS4. John Andalora 1) Who said that? I liked ZombiU, but I never heard people calling it the best zombie survival horror games of all time. Most people said it was just mediocre with mediocre graphics. 2) Never said that. But every 1st person Nintendo game is based in a cartoon style. NSMBU Pikmin 3 3DMW DKCR MK8 SSBU figured it would make sense to use the Nintendo aspect to show the error in their logic. 3) Really? Because PS4 and Xbox One could do probably easily play those games. Also, how can Nintendo do both but other consoles can’t? Please elaborate. Vitor Samuel And thats is what im trying to say. Wii U has more diversity, PS4 and Xone dont. Daniel Gonzalez You’d think with more diversity, it’d be selling better. ;P Rinslowe Well that comment was a shot from the hip, lol. If you look back over the last 6 months it is blatantly clear that with more diversity in it’s line up Wii U has been actually selling better. More and more, truth be told. 😛 greengecko007 Not what he said at all. Try reading again. lonewolf88 face the only good games that are third party coming are watch dogs destiny and the witcher. John Andalora I pity those who don’t dare try more 3rd party. I think all these games look awesome, and I can’t wait for them to come out. If you don’t like them, fine. But it’s not fair to say “these ones I like are the only good ones.” lonewolf88 3rd party are almost all the same fps crap now all im going to get is witcher watch dogs which will be my replacement for gtav sorry gtav doesn’t sound fun or look fun at all yes i played gta4. and destiny because it looks actually good but that may just be hype.other than that it sucks even batman is the same i’m sorry but i don’t want to play final fantasy or cod or battlefield or forza its all the same and if you can’t see that most 3rd party is the same then theres something wrong few 3rd party out of all the 3rd party that come out are actually a fresh and new idea or something that brings life to a series thats getting boring. John Andalora Most of the games I listed aren’t even FPS. So how can you say that they’re nothing more than that and that it’s gonna suck? Also, I like GTAV. I think it’s very fun, and a massive open world. Sorry you didn’t like Batman, but is that enough to convince you that all 3rd party is just terrible? (Also Forza is an exclusive, not 3rd party) What about Rayman Legends? What about Spec ops: The Line? What about Lego Marvel? What about Dishonored or Walking Dead (Telltale, not Activision) or even games as old as Dark Souls? If you really can’t think of good 3rd party games, it’s because you don’t go out and try them. You see games with shooting and think it’s the same thing as COD. Well it’s not. Far Cry 3, Spec Ops: The Line, GTAV and Fallout 3 are all completely different games with completely different aspects that make them great. But if all you do is claim not to like them without trying them, stating that they’re all just “fps crap,” then that’s all you’re ever going to see. And so much of gaming is just gonna pass you right by. lonewolf88 dark souls,walking dead tell a story was best just because of the story and it really felt even better than the show and being able to pick your choices was great. never tried darksouls because i heard all the rage im going to kill myself moments :S rayman was suppost to be a exclusive. ive played gta4 and gtav is pretty much the same besides story not muchs changed and just isn’t worth the money to me. fallout was a good series never got into far cry. and i do try games but i skip by most i got sleeping dogs, will be getting destiny and will be getting watch dogs as i said but games like assassins creed, cod,bf,final fantasy and maybe even kingdom hearts if they continue it like they do with final fantasy square has a reputation of not making the games as good as time goes by. but even after playing all those games my most memorable games playing are games like ssb, or mario kart and zelda and are games that last for a long long time i still go back and play ocarnia of time or majoras mask. other games that i loved were spyro and crash bandicoot but we know were they went :/ John Andalora Glad to see you’re playing 3rd party games. But I noticed that one of your main complaints of 3rd party is the lack of innovation in the new games, like GTA4-GTAV. So (and this is a serious question), why don’t you feel the same about MK8 or SSBU? I would like to know what exactly gets you interested in purchasing the new one over just playing the old one. I find a lot of 3rd party games as memorable, and one in particular I’d like to recommend to you is Spec Ops: The Line. It’s an amazing and very dark game. Truly powerful. lonewolf88 i never played mario kart 7 so all those features and new items levels and abilitys are completely differen’t i will never experience what it feels like to race on a wall under the water and then go to land flying. and supersmash bros is always different in ways of characters and how the game will care for casuals and vets for better or worse but most of all online the online will be way better and monster hunter shows this because monster hunters online runs on nintendo network servers. John Andalora I’m not trying to dampen your spirits (or say that these are bad games), these are just my thoughts on them. I tried it during E3 in a Best Buy. The sea and flying wasn’t that great. The wall stuff seemed kind of cool, but the flying was typically only a couple of seconds, and the boat stuff was pretty short too. I’d probably recommend Diddy Kong Racing to get a flying or sailing experience. As for SSB, I can understand online, but I suppose i’m just not too keen on Wii Fit Trainer or Animal Crossing villager as characters. I suppose I just need to take a break from Nintendo and come back later. Daniel Gonzalez I pity those who don’t use 1-800-Collect. boynhisblobs All those games you just described are the Exact Same Genre with the exception of the racing game. U basically said one is a steak, one is a pot roast, the other a beef pot pie and that last one is a burger. But it’s all from a cow, dude. A great platformer? Nope, don’t see one. Puzzle games? Flower does not count, sorry. Anything kid friendly? No, i don’t want your sony camera or a ps vita to go with it…. How about party games when my friends come over? No, they just gotta watch me kill people? Anything my wife will play? No, she too can just watch me kill people. You can have your EA jock sports and mindless bro shooters. John Andalora Platformers: Mirrors Edge 2. Witness isn’t a puzzle game? Huh. Tell me more about how jockish and mindless that is. And (I didn’t mention this one) but for kids, try Knack, Zen Pinball, Angry Birds Star Wars, Doki Doki Universe, Just Dance 2014, Flower (how’d you forget that one?) Lego games, MineCraft, Octodad, Res0gun, Sound Shapes, and The Witness. Party games: Again, Just Dance, Tiny Brains, Skylanders: Swap force, NBA, Madden, NHL, Injustice, DriveClub. I know you’re too much of a big man to play dumb old sports, but excuse me for having fun with those “mindless bro” games. I don’t know your wife, so I really don’t know what she would play. Is she a picky woman that only likes Wii Fit or something? “It’s all from a cow.” See, that’s the issue, and that’s the issue I see too much with Nintendo fanboys. You see all the different meals and think to yourself “well, that’s just beef. It’s not worth my precious time.” I see all the meals and think of all the different tastes and ingredients, the variety each one has to offer, and all the different ways that “just beef” can be served. A T-bone is nothing like a pot roast, which is nothing like a filet mignion which is nothing like a hamburger. They’re all different meals with their own different styles. And if you are gonna be one of those fanboys who does nothing more than hate on these games just because they all look the same to you, then I feel truly sorry for your close-minded nature. If someone walked up to you and said “Oh, I don’t play those games that look like cartoons. They’re all the same thing anyways.” You’d call me an idiot. You’d talk of the variety, and how these games are nothing alike because of the objectives, how you play them, the story, and the style. So don’t go around insulting games like these just because of what you see. Vitor Samuel Man, you have serious problems. First: Im a PC gamer most of time. Second: I own a Playstation a XBOX 360, and a WII U. And Third: I not hate the list you come to show, i just say its not as good as the Wii U list and to “ME” “Myself” they all look the same game. John Andalora I’m the one with serious problems? This isn’t about preference. This is about how you just say “all of them are the same,” giving your reasons as to why they are all the same, and having me rummage through them and show the differences. Then you change the argument, you shift to a different meaning for “all the same,” and I continue and argue against that too and show you the differences. Then, you come back and just say “well, they look the same, so there.” That’s my problem. If you just don’t like the games, then fine. Say “I don’t like the games.” But don’t argue that they all look the same, because that’s nothing more than either a lie or a bias. Just say you don’t like them and move on. Vitor Samuel But i like WatchDogs,Uncharted and Witcher 3. But most of them i can have in PC, and dont justify to buy PS4 just to play Uncharted. And keep calm bro. They still look all the same to me. nameucanthate LOL john andolora you just got pwned nooob. take ur ps4 and xbox crap and leave lolololol U MAD BRAH John Andalora Wow! You’ve totally convinced me just how wrong I was about my position and my console. I’ve seen the error of my ways, and now wish to sell all my old consoles and build a shrine to Nintendo just to try and apologize for trying anything else or being open minded about all types of games. Thank you. Daniel Gonzalez Sarcasm at it’s finest. I love it. NintenScience rofl Vitor Samuel Just don’t forget to put some Mario figurines in the shrine, or we gonna need to have this discussion again!!! 😀 John Andalora Gotta get some Luigi ones too! Year of Luigi, after all. NintenScience lol Rinslowe You’re in the wrong place…. “BRAH” lol Here we say this; Hey John, I really respect your opinion and thanks for sharing it. Seems that other fellow trumped your comment. I cannot myself agree with you also – however, perhaps the other systems are more to you liking. Are you upset about Wii U in any way? If so, please kindly vacate the premises” ha ha lol lol… You see, etiquette goes a long way….my…man….o Guest Witness is too a Puzzle game, i watched a few youtube and info on it Gamer Mania Wii U – – Mario Kart 8 – Bayonetta 2 – Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze – Super Smash Brothers For the Wii U – Fast Racing Neo – Zelda U – Miyamoto’s New IP – Project “X” By Monolith Studios …. Also, Deep Down has only been confirmed in Japan and its Free 2 Play Magnus Eriksson Zelda and Miyamotos IP is not confirmed for 2014 lonewolf88 i suspect it will come late 2014. John Andalora You didn’t really add much that OP didn’t. But here’s some more PS4 games for you to take the place of Deep Down Kingdom Hearts 3 Witcher 3 Octodad Order 1886 Alex Smye-Rumsby You’re right, there are games coming out for PS4 next year. Are they going to be any good though? PS4 games – -Thief – Probably -Watch Dogs – Most definitely (On Wii U as well) -The Evil Within – Most likely -inFamous: Second Son – Who knows -Destiny – Most Likely -Dying Light – Who knows -The Witness – Who knows -Deep Down – Who knows – Drive Club – Probably not Wii U games – – Mario Kart 8 – Bayonetta 2 – X – Watch Dogs – Donkey Kong – Smash Bros Apart from Bayonetta 2, you can pretty much guarantee ALL of these games are going to be amazing. Take Knack for example, looked pretty promising but flopped big time. John Andalora First off, I like Knack. I thought it was very fun. The fact that others didn’t doesn’t affect the amount of fun I had with it. How can you verify that the Wii U games are ALL going to be amazing while some of the PS4 games might be mediocre or bad? Alex Smye-Rumsby When has there ever been a bad or mediocre Mario Kart game? When has there ever been a bad or mediocre Smash Bros game? When has Retro Studios ever made a bad or mediocre game? Never That’s how I can verify that those Wii U games are ALL going to be amazing. Have you been taking notice of Metacritic the past week? The top 2 games are Nintendo games. Before the PS4 launched, PS4 fans were banging on about all the launch titles just like you’re banging on about all the titles coming in 2014. Guess what? Nearly all the PS4 launch titles were mediocre. Fair enough that you like Knack, but why settle for something like Knack when you COULD be playing what many people are calling the best platformer in the past 10 years? John Andalora No, you can’t. What a company has put out otherwise is in no way an indicator that the next game will be amazing. People thought GearBox would do amazing with Aliens: Colonial Marines and Duke Nukem Forever based on the Borderlands franchise. What of that? Also MK:DD was mediocre, and SSBM was eh. You know what the big problem I have with reviews is? It gives people like you a bunch of numbers and stops you from making your own damn decisions about games. Instead, you just follow the crowd and ignore any possibility of having a fun game. You just read what a couple of people say, take it to heart, and then never explore all the possibilities. Sure, sometimes the crowd is right and a game is awful. But more often than not a couple of people that don’t look at or like the same things as you do make your decisions and leave you just playing a small handful rather than exploring your own personal tastes. Knack got low scores, but I thought it was fun. I really enjoyed it. In fact, I’m on my second play through right now. Do you know how long it’s been since I’ve replayed any Mario game? I’m still trying to get the bland taste of NSMBU out of my mouth because I thought it was nothing more than too easy and dull. I wasn’t interested in playing more platforming Mario games. I want something different. If all you’re gonna do is say that the launch titles on PS4 are mediocre without ever picking one up and trying it for yourself, then I see no further reason to continue this conversation. Alex Smye-Rumsby I’m not talking about any company I’m talking about Nintendo, but that’s exactly my point you can’t guarantee greatness from any company but you can guarantee greatness from Nintendo. MK:DD and SSBM weren’t mediocre, at the time they improved on the formula of the previous games. In my opinion they only seem mediocre in hindsight because of what followed them, Brawl and MK Wii. Just to improve my point as well MK:DD has an 87 on Metacritic and SSBM has 92, so again they are by no means mediocre. Which brings me to my next point…the only reason I use review scores is because they validate my argument. It’s all well and good ME saying that these games are good but if I use the opinions of professionals it validates my argument and negates the fact that I might be talking out of my arse. I want to make this next point clear. I agree with you that people rely too heavily on review scores when purchasing games, but like I mentioned before I’m only using review scores to validate my argument. I, like many gamers are on a tight budget and use review scores to make informed decisions when purchasing games. I’d rather spend my cash on a game that I KNOW I’m going to enjoy rather than spending the same amount of money on a game I MIGHT enjoy. Mario on the surface is the same. But the thing about Mario that a lot people perhaps don’t realise is that Mario has no rules. The reason 3D Mario games keep getting such critical acclaim is because none of the levels make sense, they’re souly designed with gameplay in mind. Every level is a completely different challenge, the team behind the 3D Mario games can literally come up with ANYTHING. The only thing that keeps any Mario game consistent is nostalgia. With regards to the PS4 and it’s launch games, like I mentioned before, I don’t want to spend vasts amount of money on a console with launch games I MIGHT enjoy. I’d rather wait (which I will) and buy a console that has games I KNOW I’ll enjoy. John Andalora Here’s my issue with the major crux of your review argument: You don’t know you’ll enjoy a game just because it got good reviews. I hated New Super Mario Bros. U and Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, as two examples of highly acclaimed games. NSMB was boring and dull, and MH3 got boring having to spend so much time doing what seemed like pointless missions and getting a million pointless items that the game doesn’t even help you figure out what it’s purpose is. Meanwhile, I love Knack and BlackLight Retribution, games which have gotten from great to meh reviews across the board. The point being that just because a bunch of critics like it, that doesn’t mean you’re automatically going to like it. Hasn’t there ever been a game that you thought “wow, that’s overrated.”? I’m not telling you to just go out and buy a low rated game, spending $60 on something you don’t want. But I’m asking you and others to simply think for yourself. There’s no telling what kind of great games you’re missing just because they didn’t get a 8 or higher on Metacritic or IGN or whatever site people use. You might find out what you like can be more fun than what other people like. Alex Smye-Rumsby I understand your point completely and it’s a very fair point as well. I suppose what I’m trying to get across is that if I had a choice between two games that have come out in the same week, (a choice that crops up quite often) more often than not I would only be able to afford one of those games. Now I may have slightly exaggerated when I said a game I KNOW I will like, but the fact is I’m MORE LIKELY to enjoy a critically acclaimed game rather than one that isn’t. But it also doesn’t mean that I won’t pick up the other game in the near future. For example, I wasn’t too sure on MH3U when it came out because I had never played a MH game before, even though it had good review scores. If it hadn’t had good review scores than I probably wouldn’t have picked it up when I did (and it probably would have been a very different game had it had bad reviews). ZombiU is a really good example as well. I was extremely excited for that game and when it got bad reviews my excitement slowly deflated. I don’t just go on IGN and Metacritic look at scores and that’s it, I actually read reviews and decide whether the reviewer makes valid points and whether I agree with them. I took a chance on ZombiU because some of the problems reviewers were having with the game I didn’t agree with, so I picked it up and loved it. Same kind of thing with Wonderful 101, a particular review on IGN annoyed me a bit because the reviewer was having trouble making shapes on the Gamepad and completely negated the fact that it took practice to master it. Again I picked it up anyway and had no problem with the game. Although in this case I played the demo first to see what all the fuss was about with the controls, it took a little getting used to but with any game, practice makes perfect. My point is I don’t rely on reviews only to make a decision, but reviews do definitely help and influence what I buy to some degree. John Andalora I can understand what you are saying and agree. I just see too many people nowadays who hold up reviews as the holy doctrine of gaming, and completely miss out on a lot of opportunities that they never would’ve seen before (or buy something prematurely, hate it, and then sell it). I don’t think it’s terrible to let it sway you on something you aren’t sure about (and I do that from time to time), but I just see so much of the review gaming that I get concerned when people talk about how they’ll only play critically acclaimed games. Daniel Gonzalez I think a lot of Nintendo fans thought that same thing with Wii Music. We all know how well that went. 😛 Alex Smye-Rumsby The only thing you can’t guarantee with Nintendo is when they either cater to the casual market (Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, Mario Party) or when they release a new IP. Wii Music was both those things. You can guarantee that tried and tested Nintendo franchises are almost always going to get critical acclaim. jrob23 Isn’t Drive Club coming to Wii U as well? nevermind, confused with Project Cars Daniel Gonzalez No, it’s published by Sony. Alex Smye-Rumsby Yeah I think you’re right. My point is though that you can guarantee games made by Nintendo’s first party devs are going to be amazing. Not necessarily third party games. Although any third party games on the Wii U is a plus. Jack5221 How many of those are PS4 exclusive? A huge majority of next gen games are multi platform, with some coming to the Wii U. Not only that, most of those games are coming to PS3 / Xbox 360. Not much incentive to upgrade if I can get all the same games. John Andalora Well, I suppose that for someone like me who doesn’t own a PS3, it’s already great. I wanted a console for next gen 3rd party support that would last a long time down the road. As for why get a PS4, I’d say that’s up to you. I do like the graphics update, the accessibility for remote play (with the hope that I could take the Vita and play PS4 games with it miles away), the controller is actually very impressive, and I think there are some exclusives coming that should be a lot of fun! However, if it’s not for you, it’s not for you. If I learned anything with the Wii U, it’s that even a good console might not be good for you. It works for what I want, but if there isn’t something that interests you, don’t get it. Simple as that. But the list I made was for what PS4 will have that Wii U will not (only using Watch Dogs because OP used it). lonewolf88 hey dude if your getting the ps4 for 3rd party then don’t even get it pc will be better i mean ps4 hasn’t even made a game themselves that shows 1080p 60fps. while pc is doing as we speak. John Andalora Why I chose a PS4 over a PC. -Vita cross play -Less expensive/ time consuming for buying/building items -Prefer controller -Simpler UI and quicker access to games than PC -Added cost with monitor and UI -far more portable -easy to take to someones house -exclusives like inFamous. People always say “get a PC.” But I’m fully satisfied with my Mac and would rather have a console for playing games. lonewolf88 cheaper pc are really cheap and could of got one even cheaper on cyber monday getting parts from places like new egg. quicker access lol yeah ok all i do on mine is click a button and done. gaming laptops.gaming laptops. pc also have exclusives that are good rememember when games like minecraft were pc exclusives yeah they still get those. plus mods. best 3rd party and power and last time i check sonys first party is either A. boring or B looks beautiful but gameplays bad/besides online. why would you take it to someones house anyways though? theres online now whats the point? can’t your friend go to your house to play it don’t they see the inconvenience? also if first party is whats getting people to get a console rather than a gaming pc for 3rd party then nintendo will conquere 2014. last time i check all of nintendos exclusives are better than sonys. but that doesn’t stop you from likeing them but! just saying! John Andalora -After looking it up, to make something better than PS4 would cost about $600, and cheap PC gaming consoles don’t do as well. Gaming Laptops can still get expensive if you want better than console, but get on par with consoles when at about $500-$600. No thanks. -PS4 doesn’t have that Windows 8 BS to have to work around. I don’t like it, and I much rather prefer my Mac OS, thank you very much. – I looked into PC exclusives at one point because I actually did get interested in the idea of just having a gaming PC. Only games I cared about were DayZ and Papers Please. http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/18/50-pc-exclusive-games-in-2013 Out of all these games, I can’t think of too many that I would have actually been saddened by not playing. -Hate most mods. I’d rather play what the original developer made. Only mod I care about is DayZ. – Says you. Consoles been out for a few weeks. Not like they’re gonna put out all their exclusives at launch. Also, I like Knack. Critics don’t, but I really did. And I intend to get Killzone at Christmas. – Take it to other people’s houses…..Hmmm. Now why would I do that? Oh yeah, because my friends don’t have a PS4 and I would like to play the games I have with them. Knew there was a reason why I mentioned it. -Also, it’s not an inconvenience to bring it anywhere. It’s an HDMI and AC cable, the controllers and the PS4. I can fit most of that in the original box and tote it. Much less hassle than the Gaming monitor, Tower, keyboard and mouse, speakers, connecting wires and cables for the tower, and much more open to multiplayer experiences than just a gaming laptop. – Honestly, not impressed with Nintendo 1st party right now. Don’t get me wrong, I liked Pikmin and SSB and MK8 and DKC and NSMB and Bayonetta and Wii Fit and Wii Sports… when they were still fresh and new. But I’m tired of playing those games over and over. And before you get all huffy about the sequels of 3rd party, just so you know I don’t play those unless I never played the originals. I like new experiences. But so much of what the Wii U is right now in terms of first party is a little samey. Didn’t like W101, and I know so little about X that I wouldn’t put down money yet just to get it. -As for the exclusives, personal preference. lonewolf88 again i never said you didn’t like the game but you must see game reviews do get a hold of a lot of people thats why i said you may like it. whith all the old games and new games/newer for pc i doubt you saw them in a hour or 2. but its still way less of a hassle just to have your friend go over to your house unless your friend is under house arrest or under some circumstances like that. the consoles been out a few weeks yes but thats not my fault from the beginning sony said they would release like 4 different first party but than it went to 2 and personnally from review stand points they should have added more stuff to knack maybe platforming levels and more exploration. just exspect X to be good the only reason i said this is because its the same series as xenoblade which was amazing and would had been better on a ps3 just to make the world bigger. also monolith the game developers are veterans of square soft who started the kingdom hearts series so people get really hyped for monolith soft. again its alright not liking something but when we talk in sales and what games will sell the console those games will and its been shown threw out of all the consoles life besides gamecube that ironically i liked the most. John Andalora -I live in a dorm that can barely fit 3 people. My friends all live in a townhouse that can fit 10. Trust me, it’s a lot easier for me to bring the console. -Reviews might change things, but I try my hardest not to let that affect what games I like or don’t like. -I might have missed something, but which two games were delayed? I know one was DriveClub, but I don’t remember which other Sony exclusive game was pushed back from release. -There are so many people here that advocate how hard and long of a process it is to make a game. I highly doubt that the people who made that game could just “add a few things” for a game before launch. -It’s not that I don’t think X could be good. But we know so little about it. What exactly can you tell me about X that isn’t about giant flying robots or following Xenoblade? -Actually, no. Most of the Nintendo consoles with games like SSB and MK didn’t sell well. Only one that sold really well from them is the Wii. N64 and GC sold okay, but not great. lonewolf88 second son was a delayed launch title yes it was going to be a launch title. the 3ds sold 8.10 million and the ds sold 20million copies of mario kart and n64 sold more than the 3ds selling 9.87million copys thats not bad at all and is above ok its good now gamecubes was less with 6million. what do we know about monolith X? X will have co op shown in trailer 1 i believe supporting up to 2 atm. flying mechs we get a seen of how combat will work in the trailer and resembles xenoblades combat which is one of the big + for xenoblade. its made again by the creators of the old final fantasy such as final fantasy 7 and the creators of kingdom hearts. and most people get hyped just at the mention of monolith soft because its pretty much square soft which was way better then square enix now. John Andalora -Ah. Didn’t notice that one. Thanks! – Didn’t really think of handhelds. I was focusing on home consoles due to cost of the game and difference in mood of handheld versus home consoles. -Notice what you said. “Co-op.” Okay. That’s a new point. “Flying Mechs” I already mentioned that. “Combat like Xenoblade” Mentioned that in “following Xenoblade.” “Make by FF7 and KH people” You mentioned that already. Is that really all we know? Is that enough to get hyped over? I mean, old Gundam Wing games had flying mechs and co-op, so is this really enough to change our minds? Hipster Victor KH 3 wont be out till 2015 you know? John Andalora Okay. I suppose though that the other games will surely suffice. Daniel Gonzalez It was made playable at the Tokyo Game Show. It was never announced as being confirmed in Japan officially. It still has the TBA label on it for all regions for 2014. I haven’t heard it being confirmed in Japan only. Where exactly did you get this news? capitalism1023 Watch Dogs is coming to Wii U as well. John Andalora I used it since OP used it without remembering it was coming for PS4. lonewolf88 miyamotos new project new zelda shins new fzero style racing game plus thats all we know now wait until E3 when they show stuff off like metroid and maybe even starfox or even kid icarus….. and no matter what zelda beats that line up. why? open world zelda the will have skyrim detail in it tons of new items a massive zelda world shown in HD for the first time. also theres indie games like guns of icarus and a awesome stragety game for pc and wii U only oh did i forget shadow of the eternals plus the other guys list yeah and some of those games you listed are 3rd party ALSO! sonys last two first party games sucked how do me know there other ones wont too? we ALSO may see new games from sega and atlus,capcom which capcom already annouced monster hunter Frontier G online and games from platnium games oh and i forgot ubisoft! face it nintendos way better set for 2014 sony is just rushed. John Andalora 1) F-Zero isn’t being made. http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Nintendo-Has-Plans-F-Zero-Wii-U-56942.html 2) How do you know the next Zelda is open world? That info hasn’t been mentioned yet. 3) Shadow of the Eternals has been abandoned. 4) So much of what you said is just speculation. You MAY see new Sega or altus, but remember that they are third party developers that could develop for anyone. 5) Most of what I listed is 3rd party that the Wii U won’t be getting. 6) Ubisoft is 3rd party as well. Watch Dogs. 7) I don’t think that Sony is rushed. I think the 3rd party shows that pretty well. If you don’t like or want a PS4, then don’t get one. But your choice doesn’t mean it’s bad. Morphballs That lineup really isn’t that great. John Andalora Alright. Personal preference. To you, these games aren’t interesting. To me, games like MK8 or SSBU or DKCR aren’t interesting. I can understand that. Rinslowe If I could reach through this screen and slap you I would! What is this talk of Kart 8 not being interesting to you! Forget the rest, but KART?? Man you are killing me here! What is wrong with the world when people can’t enjoy a little Kart action? What if it had online multiplayer in the true sense? Full roster of real players per race? Achievements or trophy like recognition? Not to mention it is a Beauty of a game and silky smooth man. Has to be seen…. John Andalora Here’s my issue. I’ve been playing Kart since N64, and I’ve played all of them up to Mario Kart Wii. And I mean ALL of them. At some point, I’ve owned from Super to MK Wii. Didn’t purchase 7. I suppose my issue is that I’m just tired of it, and if I really wanted to play Mario Kart again, I’d just pick up the Wii version I still own and have a grand old time. It’s not that I hate Kart or that It doesn’t seem kind of cool. It’s just that I’ve played too many Karts and I’m thinking of taking a break from them for now. Rinslowe Fair enough, I feel the same way of late with pop culture titles of the day for same reason… And a reivigorated interest in Nintendo’s flavour. John Andalora I think I just need to take a small break from Nintendo. Come back to it some time in the future if they make a new kind of handheld or get a lot of new IP. I’ll be keeping a lookout as to what that Miyamoto IP is we were teased about a while ago. Rinslowe As another guy mentioned the other day, it would absolutely stunning if Miyamoto announced some kind of Nintendo centric FPS… 🙂 Daniel Gonzalez Not everyone is into them. Lol. I don’t think anyone is doubting their fun factor, but not every gamer is going to wanna play it. I can relate to John, because I too took a break from Mario Kart for a time before purchasing Mario Kart Wii. Sometimes we need our breaks and someday, we may come back to them at a later time. Rinslowe Yeah, I can relate. It’s funny because each Nintendo console I’ve bought strictly for certain exclusives. So having all the other systems habitually and PC – I now find myself gravitating towards Nintendo’s specific forms of fun – as I can now appreciate them more after having so much realism and so much violence for years. It’s like we’re here discussing a topic through the looking glass, lol. Rinslowe Yup, the dude is on crack if he thinks Nintendo’s 2014 lineup isn’t plentiful already. Alex Smye-Rumsby The way he said it as well just proves blatant bias against Nintendo AZHood Hard to agree when the analysis doesn’t include X… Not only that, who honestly thinks Bayonetta 2 is “meh”, considering how well received the first title was and how positive the previews have been? It just seems like Danny doesn’t care for the upcoming WIi U titles, which is fine. But to discredit them instantaneously for the Wii U, when we don’t have possible release dates for more X1/PS4 titles than Wii U seems unreasonable. Jason arreola Not gonna give that video 1 more view. I enjoy my Wii u, Even my wife said the other day when I turned on my 360 “i haven’t heard (seen) you play that in a long time.” (the 360 is loud) Gamer Mania No, the Xbox One is a failure because really even at its launch with a very successful launch it still only sold 1.X Million (X meaning they still haven’t found how many Thousands of units there are) while the PS4 sold over 2.5 Million Units world wide and the Wii U has over 4 Million units. Next year, I believe the Wii U will dominate while people start buying the PS4 for third party games rather than the Xbox One. John Andalora Judging a console that’s been out for less than 3 weeks in limited areas to a years worth of sales on another console and calling it better. That’s the kind of thing that gives fanboys a bad name. Gamer Mania Yet PS4 and Xbox One fanboys are using the leap in sales as accuse to rub their cock in it. I’m sorry but I just don’t see the Xbox One surviving seeing how more people even in Europe are more focused on the PS4/Wii U while in Japan they really wouldn’t give a fucking rat’s ass about the Xbox One seeing how the Wii U is actually picking up in sales meaning the PS4 might have a hard time trying to increase their sales in Japan. John Andalora You want people to believe you when you say the Wii U will survive longer than 2 years? Then give the Xbox more than 2 weeks. Rinslowe Is there something in the water I’m drinking today? When I find the illustrious “John Andalora” making totally logical arguments… 😛 John Andalora Apparently my crazy arguments are on here as well when I argue against people who claim that 80% of the games coming to the PS4 are just the same thing. I’m sure you can find them. Rinslowe Someone else was talking about self fulfilling prophecies on here earlier…. Switch out “crazy” with “logical” and we’re on the same page. 🙂 John Andalora Well thank you. I appreciate the nice statements here. =D Rinslowe Hey, I know I’ve been harsh. But that’s on points I couldn’t for the love of “Hey Zeus” – agree with. 😛 Lol. I got no beef with you personally… Even despite having maybe mentioned once before the opposite…. 🙂 John Andalora I can understand that. Thanks for your honest opinion! boynhisblobs Actually it’s just comparing numbers. Nintendo’s first 30 days got them 3.4 million units but then came to a standstill in the months following…probably due to the fact that no one buys systems in January. Time will tell, but most of us are just speculating the same dropoff will happen with both Xbox and PS4. The Xbox is a failure due to the fact that it couldn’t even match Wii U launch sales, so if they even resemble what happened to Nintendo last year, it won’t be good. Xbox suffers from a major lack of games. Sure they got some Third party support, but those same games are on PS4. Sony and Nintendo know it’s great first party exclusives that really drive a system. I bought my first playstation for Tekken, a sony exclusive, not mortal kombat. Michael DeVore So another delayed start, but accost the board this time. Hopefully game companies can survive off of PS3, and 360 gamers for another year, but since they’re not surviving very well off of those sales I have my doubts. Even if the WiiU turns the corner I doubt 3rd parties will be able to profit off of it next year since they’ve all but abandoned it at this point. John Andalora Again, PS4 has only been out for 3 weeks, not even a whole month. And this guy compares the two like it’s been out the same length. I’m shocked that, for a community so bent on the idea that the Wii U is not a failure and shouldn’t be judged as such based on 1 years time that they have the audacity to claim a console that’s been out for 2 weeks be branded a complete and utter failure. ThisGuy18 Well if you think about it, it’s just a simple tit-for-tat. If you call somebody’s fav system a failure then they’re gonna turn around and do the same thing like a bunch of little kids with toys, No logic is needed or even considered. To argue or even get upset over it is almost detrimental to yourself. Most people are just little kids that got older, maturity/logical thinking is often just not there Bob Wilkerson I agree that using the initial sales of the XB1 and PS4 to call one or the other a failure or success is ludicrous but didn’t the Wii U sell nearly 3 million in the Holiday Season when it was first launched and then sales fell flat? Who is to say the same thing will not happen to both the XB1 and PS4 once the initial fanbase has gotten one and the holiday shopping season is over. I suspect the sales of both the PS4 and XB1 will drop drastically come early next year. John Andalora It is possible. I’m just shocked so many people who claim the Wii U is a success based on its sales over a year will turn around and say the first 3 weeks of the new console is terrible, therefore it’s a failure. Bob Wilkerson It’s the industry. Even though I think we are all a little guilty of it from time to time there is too much hate and fighting over who has to be the winner. Reviews such as this guy’s video does nothing but fuel that hate and keep the pointless console war going. Rinslowe Personally, And I know you know I got an official badge of Nintendo fanboyism – BUT, people have to be smoking crystal meth 24/7 if they think PS4 and Xbox One are selling badly… Lol. jrob23 people aren’t claiming it’s a success based on its sales, they are just defending against the fanboys claiming how much better the other ‘next gen’ have done in such a short period of time. As if we are to believe that a third or more of those sales aren’t by people trying to resell on ebay and craigslist…unsuccessfully I might add. John Andalora I think it’s a shame on both sides. I think that arguing the other next gen consoles are better because of a few weeks sales is dumb. I think that arguing that Wii U sold more in a year than the other next gen consoles sold in a few weeks is also stupid. And there were people doing the same with Wii Us. In fact, I sold mine last week. Nintenjoe82 Who cares what these vassals of Sony and MS actually say and think? Average Joe will never hear of this, this constant regurgitating of negative opinions is just fanboy porn and nothing else. Just ignore the doom-mongering. It’s in overdrive at the moment because the negative news is running out. The Wii U is almost back on track to do at least as well as the Gamecube and anything above that will be good. Let’s just ride out the next month and then laugh at all the equally stupid sensationalised reports of how Sony and MS are ‘failing’ that will plague 2014. boynhisblobs So where’s the story on how Gamespot shouldn’t have even been around in 2013? I can’t remember the last time they actually did real reporting on video games. It seems to me that the thing hurting Wii U sales is negative posts and reviews like this one. He makes no real valid points. How long will the PS4 and Xbox1 hype roll? This time last year looked great for the Wii U. Nintendo did 3 million in sales by this point and PS4 has only reached 2 million. That somehow makes playstation the winner? The last time a system sold that much at launch was….Sega Dreamcast! So early sales really do not mean too much towards a systems life. Now that all the fanboys have bought theirs, the rest are gonna be a slow move. Mainly just due to same old software they keep releasing….Is it gonna be a shooter or a racing game? Nintengoth Give it some bloody time! lol the PS3 did crap for like 3-4 years but people never put it down lol… people who say they are Ninty fans and don’t buy the Wii U are NOT Ninty fans, simple as. the Wii U has only been out 1 year, its got like 15 top games, and some good others, that aint bad for one year. do keep in mind Ninty have got basically ZERO 3rd party devs unlike PS/XB1. 2014 will be much better, we have DKCTF, Bayo 2 (with maybe bayo 1), Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros, new stuff on Zelda, Maybe a new Mario, there is also others like Metroid(yay), Starfox, F-Zero, this new IP by Miyamoto. I heard somewhere Sega and Platinum are making Madworld 2 ( don’t know if that’s true, be awesome though!) there are a lot of VC games coming as well as New DL games. its the case of Ninty had NO ads for the Wii U really lol it has like I said ZERO 3rd party devs, and people just aint buying it, they don’t need to drop the price again it was already cheap enough lol the games are coming Ninty just take time and not bring out a rushed game half done and then try to fill it up with loads of DLC so the game costs like £150 lol Bashing Nintendo is something people have done now for like 15 years, it wont stop, they get damned if they do and damned if they don’t there is no winning lol Daniel Gonzalez So people who don’t have a Wii U aren’t Nintendo fans? Lol. How about those who lack the funds to even purchase one? Or those who don’t see a reason to buy one at this point? I have plenty of friends who don’t have the money right now cause they’re busy with school, work, or can’t afford it right now. Also, I have co-workers who would love to buy their kids a Wii U and they run into the same problem. So with all this said, many people are fans of Nintendo, but not all of them are able to afford one with their current income or they might just prefer to stick with their Wii’s.(Most of Nintendo’s sales came from casuals) Your logic is flawed my friend. It’s hard to not call someone a Nintendo fan if they own every console but just one. Lol.Sounds like anger to me. Sure there are a lot of people who call the Wii U a failure and I say let them. You join their ranks when you go out and start bashing the competition and stooping to the same level. Simply put, I don’t agree with you. Have a nice day. 🙂 Joey same here i do not agree with yours… Have a nice day. 🙂 Daniel Gonzalez My day is going nicely, hope yours is too. 🙂 Nintengoth Lol what? people don’t have the funds? that’s balls im sorry, when I bought mine I didn’t have a job and I just put back like £20- £30 a month for like a year. I was not talking about the average person who likes Ninty I simply meant big fans. I know loads of people who cant afford a lot but they still buy a PS4 and the Xbox ONE for like £600, so paying less than £300 is nothing. anyone on here who knows me and talks to me knows that I now have a job, a crap job but still lol and im still paying loads for Ninty collectables, my Ninty tattoos and Wii U games and so on. and I had a great day coz I won £50 on a scratch card XD Daniel Gonzalez Sounds to me you’re defending yourself a bit much on what a person disagrees with you on. I never said you have no job(cause I have one as well). If you wanna spend your money on what you feel warrants a purchase, I have no problem with that. Good for you for winning 50 on a scratch card, it is nice to get some cash on hand. If you meant big fans, then perhaps you should have been more clear on that. Thank you for doing so. Also, it’s not balls I’m sorry, but a game console is not everyone’s top priority. Most of us have to pay our bills or our schooling first. 😛 Rinslowe Dude, some people probably can’t afford any console. Know what I mean? Bob Wilkerson He just sounds butt hurt and based on some of his commentary a graphics whore. This statement alone shows that “Well I guess you can get Watchdogs if you want to play the shitty looking version”. Once a person goes to that level to show their bias they lose all credibility in my book. The Wii U sold nearly 3 million units in the first month or two of launch and then dropped off after the holiday season. Who wants to take bets that the same thing happens to the XB1 and PS4? Peter Lythaby Bash, bash, bash. These arses are never going to stop. DarkYoshi It’s always “the best” and “most selling” consoles. The PS4 is great. The Xbox One is great, and the Wii U is also great. It’s all about what you prefer. As long as Nintendo makes enough money to stay alive, it’s fine. Choose what you prefer, and don’t hate on others. CEObrainz I’d only consider a console a failure if there are no games that I, as a singular person, want to play. Which really boils down to only the Virtual Boy ever being a failure…. Denvy Failure? That sort of remains to be seen. If it sells to the extent of the Cube or more, I wouldn’t call it a failure. Just because you don’t come in at #1 in the console race doesn’t make an automatic failure. If it sells half or a fraction of Cube sales, then yeah, I’d call that a failure. Either way, I’m happy with mine 🙂 Leo Ashley, keep telling yourself that the entire media is saying that the WiiU is a failure and you will believe it. It has been like it lately here at WiiU Daily. I mean, WiiFail Daily. NintenScience xd NintenScience 4 downvotes? Why? Rinslowe Too much nonsense on the topic lately…. Wii U dead……. You want the short or long answer? Short: No Long: Hell No! Next. Harley Wii U is the only console with a NEW type of gaming…XBOX 1 and PS4 are just an upgrade of their predecessors… Since Wii came out, Nintendo changed the gaming paradigm with the remotes. Now with Wii U, Nintendo did it again with the GamePad, they changed again the paradigm. In the other hand, developers and studios are not willing to explore this new paradigm, maybe for costs and invest, or maybe they play it safe with a standard pre-manufactured game interface and proved type of technology (which is sad). And it, maybe makes sense; a studio develops a game in one paradigm and can sell it to 3 consoles (or 2 + PC) with minimum changes. For Wii U they would have to invest more in development to make it appeal and really explode the PAD’s potential. It seems to me that the studios are lazy and are playing it safe, which is sad, because…where is the innovation spirit in game developers? Leo The innovation spirit was flushed down the toilet since a certain opportunist company jumped in the gaming world in 1996 and started a graphic race that brainwashed every single developer, especially in the western side of the world. Rinslowe Having said that, there’s nothing wrong with pretty looking games. And it’s also not necessarily a bad thing if they keep getting prettier either. But if they’re ONLY looking pretty, well that there is a different story… Leo I totally agree. Gust I find it interesting that you say that because it is the same hypocrite gamers and developers who keep saying we want something new and to do something new yet they criticize something new when it’s comes out. Guest They say the Wii U is too complicated. I don’t find it a bit complicated. Could somebody clear that out? Rinslowe Yeah. Complicated? Lol to that! Did someone give them an Xbox One with a Wii U logo on the front? Now they’ll be like… “Ohhh yeah… That’s why the gamepad wasn’t working” … hur hur hur… Curtis Hofer good one Zorpix It’s gamespot. They hate Nintendo. Not watching Gameonfool F A I L U R E hahhahahaha Rinslowe Laughing at yourself?? http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/609/878/dc4.gif Gameonfool Carry on laughing at yourself, everyone else does. Rinslowe Speaking from personal experience? That’s all you up there champ… 😛 Andrew W Garttmeyer Honestly, at the risk of getting hated on by the fan-boys (which I was one of once), it is becoming clearer to me that the disillisioned are the ones not coming to terms with the fact that the Wii U is not turning out the way NES or most consumers envisioned. I will tell you what I am unhappy about (although I know all of you will tell me why my feelings are wrong with some weird numbers pulled out of thin air). 1) The Virtual Console for the Wii U SUCKS. Yes, this is my opinion. NOT HAPPY. 2) The install base is LOW and nes doesn’t seem to be alarmed, ready to change, or ready to admit their failures. Yes, they are talking about how people did not know that the Wii and Wii U are different…..that is a HUGE failure. People can’t tell that your next gen console is different from the Wii????? Dumb. 3) The steadily trickle of games are nothing to write home about. Yes, MY OPINION. Don’t sit there and tell me all the crappy games you own for the Wii U. I own Pikmin 3, Mario U, Mario 3D U, Wind Waker, and Nintendoland. I have NO INTEREST in Donkey Kong OR Super Smash Bros. Mario Kart and Zelda are the only games I foresee me buying in the future. That is it for now, but I am getting fed up with all the fan boys that can’t admit that the Wii U is NOT doing well. When Nes changes their sale forecasts by a million+ units…that IS NOT GOOD PEOPLE, and the biggest problem, no changes in the near future. Joey Yup, your wrong about Virtual Console, i do not care what you think, i got a few of them and love it and does not Suck, you got your opinion and i got mine. I plan on getting Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, and new future Zelda and by the way i am not really a FAN BOY of anything… I love the Wii U so you want your kid’s to play on the PS4 or Xbox One to play all those damn Violence video games? Andrew W Garttmeyer I still love the Virtual Console, I was upset when I wrote this. I fully stand by my opinion that the Virtual Console can be SO MUCH MORE, and if I am not mistaken, NES believes the same thing. What I would love is a timeline of the future for the Wii U. Let us know what is planned. Stephen Macneil The VC is weak. I should be able to jump on and buy a game from a massive library. The fact that classics like a Link to the Past aren’t on there is really sad. I also think the lack of cross buy/play is terrible. I shouldn’t have to buy the game on every Nintendo device I own separately. Lastly the games are too expensive. I’m sorry, as much as I love snes games I can’t justify $8 unless it’s REALLY good. I also have no desire to buy NES games at $5. If the games were cheaper I would spend a ton of money filling up my VC library easily. Akatosh Sounds like you should jump ship. GameBoy1979 It has been out a full year & sales are poor, but I don’t think it can be called a failure just yet. As everyone already knows & rehashes on a daily basis, there are many similarities to the 3DS launch & the subsequent year. However, if the big hits that are supposed to be out by mid-next year don’t move the console, then I think at that point Nintendo will need to reassess the situation. The timing all around has been bad for this console from advertising to game completion/launches. I love the system, absolutely love it. It’s great. But, I think the base install crowd from the Wii generation has abandoned the system as he mentions. They aren’t the people who will buy multiple games over multiple years like more hardcore gamers who also won’t buy because there are no “hardcore gamer” games…or not enough. Also, graphics don’t matter….but only to a degree. I love Nintendo’s games & always have. But, being one step behind in the graphics department always leaves something to desire. Maybe Nintendo should admit graphics do matter & that the reason most people probably gravitate to better systems is because of their potential & the freshness of a system with better capabilities. I, for one, would love for Nintendo to develop a console on par with Sony & MS for no other reason that to realize the full potential of Nintendo’s creative talent. Don’t get me wrong, the games look awesome on the U & the development teams do an awesome job of using the system to its’ fullest, but there is always that “what if” factor lingering in the back of my mind. Not to mention 3rd party developers dismissing the system because of its’ power, preventing sales of the U for 3rd party games. There are tons of reasons the system could fail, but there are also tons of reasons it could not only succeed, but soar. I just hope it happens very, very soon. Prince_AKR Paragraphs. Please, use them. GameBoy1979 I did, one REALLY long one, haha! Prince_AKR Lol. Emphasis on the “s” in “paragraphS”. 😛 GameBoy1979 Haha, I know, I know. I start rambling sometimes & let my grammar rules/writing skills take the back burner (I blame texting on my phone for this phenomenon). I’ll try to divvy them up a little better the next time. 😉 Btw, I checked out your webpage…pretty cool stuff! Keep up the good work! Sdudyoy All my friends have a Wii U. MujuraNoKamen Wii U hasn’t failed yet. It had a strong launch no mater how much the haters deny it and even though sales bombed in 2013 there have been a few notable surges thanks to a few great releases (Lego City, MH3, Wii Party U, WW, Mario 3D) Things still aren’t great though and they really should be given everything they’ve got going for them like the games, the price advantage, the features, the year long head start. But its being battered by the competitors and isn’t being noticed by consumers like they are. This is why they need to plug the hell out of Wii U not just in the new year when Sony and MS stumble, but right now to make sure it’s not overlooked, make it known that it has the best games, and that it’s the best buy. If they don’t turn it around by Christmas then Wii U will become a failure as it will continue to be ignored and the competition will steal all the spotlight. It’s possible that PS4 and XBOne will stutter in the new year due to a lack of killer titles and all the rest of it like Wii U did but realistically they’re going to build up their library in half the time it took Wii U, so make it known now Nintendo. Akatosh Hate to be biased but… he sounds like he’s from the UK. Jacob D. Taylor There aren’t many products that are abandoned after 4 quarters of bad sales. There are a handful of examples that represent utter catastrophes, those are easy to spot. Take the Ford Edsel, if Ford had held onto that for any longer it would have had drastic financial repercussions. If we’ve learned anything from Nintendo’s latest reports a few hundred million yen really isn’t that much over a product that has in the last quarter shown vast improvement. Imagine if the Wii U were to take another price drop next year? Imagine if sales improve over the next 6 months and third party support is just rejuvenated? Then what? Simon Stevens Says it all really. domahman I forgot i have a wii u. Daniel Schwarz He’s absolutely right. Nintendo had a real opportunity to generate sales momentum this past year before the release of the PlayStation 4 and the Xbox One. They didn’t have the games, they didn’t have the marketing, and they didn’t have the messaging, and now it will be that much harder to generate excitement in the face of the competition. Bob Charlie Bob be back, mon! Have been absent from the site because I’ve been too wrapped up in this “game shortage” the Wii U is having… jrob23 ha ha..for real!! Stephen Macneil There’s two simple things Njntendo can do to change things around. 1) sell a cheaper version of the system with the wii u pro controller. At $199 sounds reasonable for people curious about all the highly rated Njntendo games but aren’t interested in the reg controller. There’s no real games that require the wii u dual screen besides nintendo land. Give players the option to buy the controller separately with a game packed in. 2) 3ds cross play and shared libraries. I love my wii u but not everyone appreciates the dual screen. Once a game comes out that really blows people away they will get it the system. Bob Charlie Get rid of off TV play? No thanks! Stephen Macneil I never said get rid of it. I said give players the option to use it or not. Some gamers don’t see the value of the wii u controller, and since almost all games have wii u pro controller support why not sell a cheaper system that way for those who don’t want it? It would boost sales and lower costs. If people decide they want the controller they buy a bundle with it or wait until later to buy it separately. Sorry, but this is how nintendo is going to win over a lot of people. Bob Charlie You don’t have a Wii U, do you? I think if you really had one you would not be making such claims about the Gamepad. Not including a Gamepad with a Wii U would be killing half of the things the Wii U can do. Wind Waker HD, Deus Ex, Lego City, Wonderful 101, Nintendo Land, and ZombiU are just a few games off the top of my head that make great usage of the Gamepad. Not to mention the features the Gamepad brings to Miiverse. I’m even easily writing this on my Wii U Gamepad while watching YouTube videos on my TV, all thanks to the Gamepad. Edit: I like the idea of adding the 3DS’ library of games to the Wii U, but Nintendo will never get rid of the Gamepad. Stephen Macneil Once again, I’m not saying get rid of the game pad. I’m saying let it be optional for some consumers and they will want one eventually anyway. These aren’t my claims, it’s come from many many people. Of course I own a wii u. I had it since launch and own Mario U, Luigi U, Nintendo Land, Batman: AC, Zelda Windwaker, and Rayman Legends. I love the game pad myself. But there’s millions of hardcore players curious about Mario and Zelda with no desire to dish out $300+ to play them. Also, while a lot of these games implement interesting gamepad ideas, non aside from nintendo land need it. Again, not saying get rid of the gamepad but it’s purchase should be optional if they want more wii u’s in homes. Bob Charlie I still don’t understand your reasoning. What makes the Wii U the Wii U is the Gamepad. What attracts people to the Wii U who have never seen it is the Gamepad. Who would Nintendo be attracting by releasing these Gamepad free bundles? Gamers won’t want it because some of the best games for gamers on the Wii U require the Gamepad. NL, W101, ZombiU, NSMBU/NLU, SM3DW, Deus Ex, and Sonic LW require the Gamepad at some point or altogether in order to play. I still don’t think you own a Wii U. The thing is literally essential for the Wii U to function properly and yet you’re suggesting Nintendo sell bundles that don’t include it. Try accessing the eShop without the Gamepad… Stephen Macneil Pretend for a minute I can imagine another consumer’s interest other than my own. I never said I didn’t like the wii u gamepad. In fact, I love it. I love off tv play and think it really aided games like WW. That being said, not everyone gets it. The proof is in the pudding. The wii u is not selling. You state that it’s the gamepad that sells the wii u but look how that’s working. They need a cheaper bundle because it’s software people ultimately want. Come out with deus ex if nintendo land bundled with just the wii u gamepad for $99 and people will buy it anyway, when the time is right for them to spend the extra money for a new experience. You do have an argument for having the gamepad always needed with wii u, and it’s the same argument nintendo is making, but I know a lot of people who just don’t get it yet. Joey Wii U a failure, i do not understand why, people make a big issue out of it. So what are the kid’s or children under the age of 13 gonna play? I feel that PS4 and Xbox One just full mostly violence games rarely any nice ones, i don’t like first person shooters, not want that around kids. I like games that are fun and that matters, i have a PS3 for mostly Racing games plus some other nice platform games such as LittleBigPlanet, etc…i’m not planning on getting a PS4 unless there is some nice games to play. I love my Wii U and still playing on it. david jarman One word sums this up…BULLSHIT!!! HypocritesRROD Kinect is a gimmick. Xbox is a failure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txbrwfVilNc shad0w-7 Fuck this BallBag. I really don’t even know why I watched that. Sigh. Think I’ve had enough of Nintendo Life. TULFich Check what ReviewTechUSA has to say about gaming, he is a real unpartial Reviewer and analyst (kinda) He even called it quits on the X1 after getting 2 deffective consoles in a row. And spending hubdres of dollars for a single game? why fucking not? that IS why we buy consoles, for either one taste or many tastes. Why bothering buying a 500 dlls or 400dlls + tax consoles if they are not calling out the AAA titles, (that is what everybody brag about the Wii U) 7Down Wii U is a total failure and Nintendo is going to die! Am I cool now? Seriously though, I think it’s alright and I don’t understand why must people hate on Wii U and Nintendo, can someone tell me a legit reason why they hate Nintendo? Joseph Parsons i have ppl i no on ps3 that got a wii u and that guy ben puting the wii u down day it was out Gamespot is a joke Guest Seems like the Wii U isn’t as Dead as the Media Wants you to Thinkhttp://wp.me/p2FQqz-9Ia Joseph Parsons by PlayerEssence.com Seems like the Wii U isn’t as Dead as the Media Wants you to Think http://wp.me/p2FQqz-9Ia Joseph Parsons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H8gdDQuh10#t=28 Activision Blaming Lackluster Call of Duty Ghosts Sales on Next Gen Consoles – AlphaOmegaSin Michael Rowlands so the wii u is underpowered watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbutJG9-AH8 jrob23 thanks for this. I have tried to explain these thoughts to xbots and Sony fanboys but they just don’t get it. So glad I own and am enjoying my Wii U Rob Look. The Wii U is 100 dollars cheaper than the PS4 and atleast 150 dollars cheaper than the Xbox one. They have games that kids OR adults can play. And, the gamepad integration into the games is really something I am starting to love. The Wii U is a winner in my opinion, but the haters want their mindless shooters. Asavarii If there’s one thing that Nintendo do better than 99% of companies I can name of the top of my head, its that they do what they do best: make quality games that the average person wants to pick up and play. They’ve done it consistently, methodically and steadily since game #1 on the NES and I see no sign that they’re going to stop doing it. That is the overwhelming reason I bought a Wii U and if I get 10 titles over its life cycle of the quality of Super Mario 3D World and Pikmin 3, then I consider the console an awesome success and anything BUT a failure. While I wish that some other consumers could relish in the magic that are Nintendo franchises, I leave them to their tunnel vision as I continue to enjoy the best experiences the gaming industry has to offer! Philip Park “2014 doesn’t look too great for Wii U owners”? That is the most retarded thing I’ve heard this whole year.