One of the many comparisons people have started making about the Wii U is that its third party support is starting to resemble the GameCube. During the GameCube’s life cycle, many people purchased the system exclusively to play Nintendo games and didn’t buy third-party titles, leading many third-party publishers to opt out of releasing a GameCube version of their game. There are parallels here, but there’s something else interesting between the two systems. NeoGAF user Aquamarine looked at the GameCube line up from August to December after launch, comparing it to the same period for the Wii U. These last few months will bring the life cycle of the Wii U into a full year and the line up between August and December only brings 36 games. So how many games did the GameCube have during that same period? An astounding 109 games. That’s exactly three times the number of games that the Wii U will see released in the same period. Food for thought. local_offer GameCube Nintendo wii u stars Further Reading New Zelda Breath of the Wild trailer and game Super Mario Maker Wii U vs 3DS comparison (vi Get Ocarina of Time on 3DS for only $14 New teaser site for Zelda: Breath of the Wild released How to track NES Classic Mini stock in time for Christmas Indie game Stardew Valley moves from Wii U to Adecentboy777 HEHE! Even the Cube was better supported! AND it failed big time! Nintendo, time to wake up!!! Daniel Carvalho The Gamecube didn’t fail, it did indeed render lots of profit for the company (that, if you don’t know, is the complete opposite of failing). The only thing the Gamecube failed to do was sell more than it’s rivals at the time. Regarding the support, making games has never been easy to do, but nowadays they get longer to be done. Why? Because developers (specially third parties) love to spend time and money making every pimple and wrinkle as realistic as possible, instead of creating content for the actual game. And that’s not only for Nintendo systems, every company is seeing a large gap between launches of titles of the same company because of that. Not to say that, just like the Gamecube, every Wii U exclusive title is amazing, not a single bad one until now. All bad titles are ports made from third parties lacking features the original ones had. Can’t really call that “support”. Nothing5555 Didn’t the Xbox sell just a bit more than the Gamecube during that time? Adecentboy777 Daniel, you’re right. It didn’t fail in terms of not generating money for Nintendo, but it failed in terms of reaching a bigger audience. Wii U could be a good thing, but with no games it is just a hardware. It doesn’t sell well etc. I own it from the very beginning and the only good games are the typical Nintendo exclusive games, like Mario and so long. I would buy more but there is nothing to buy. Besides for me it is disturbing if I see the same thing on 2 displays. And some games display the same thing on the TV and the Wii U gamepad. MetroidZero Time to change locks on the door. Adecentboy777 Metroid, you’re welcome anytime. I can even give you my adress and pay the costs for you if you wanna come and talk it through wit me! BUT you’re just a dumbass wit no guts, right? 🙂 MetroidZero I’ll get my Gunship. Wait outside for me; I’ll show you I have the guts! Adecentboy777 You’re welcome! Here the adress: 80399 Schießstättstraße 8, Munich, Germany! Let’s say in one week at 12:00, you can buy the flytickets, I repay you, no problem. But if you’re not there… then you’re afraid and has no guts 🙂 Come here and let’s see what you’ve got!!! But please do not run to your mom wit tears in your eyes, dumbass!!! 🙂 disqus_jnx8BgXLZd the gamecube didnt fail, it just didn’t as good as it could have Daniel Gonzalez I would say to third parties, it did. To most Nintendo gamers, it didn’t. It depends on what group you ask. Ony It’s sad because when I was young and got the GameCube, there were no such thing as “groups”, “fanboys” etc. We got a GameCube ’cause it was appealing to us, the others had a playstations, parents chose, kids prefered… When I wanted to play on the PS1 (then PS2), I just moved my ass to my friend and enjoyed playing something else. When I returned at my home, bam, SSB Melee! Now, eneryone is closed to his home, grumbling which one is better, and nothing progress anymore. IT WAS SO COOL TO BE A KID. 😀 Nothing5555 No Groups, fanboys??!! You must of missed the SNES x Genesis wars. Mark Yeah, but back in the day, we didn’t have internet (it was there, but it was too primitive), the thing that’s really pumped up this console war now. Ony I was young and naive 😀 504HotBoy The 16-bit wars were no where near as worse as we have now. Fans of certain hardware are down right immature and disrespectful. I remember back in the Snes and Genesis era. It was friendly competition. If you had a Snes and I had a Genesis. We talked and debated, but played by each other houses and enjoyed what both platforms had to offer. Nowadays it’s straight war with these new generation fans. Gregg SAD isn’t it?! But, yea, this crap has been going on since Sega dropped the Genesis on us. ME? I got both and loved it. Same today. Magnus Eriksson It didnt fail like Wii U have failed. One primary reason for this is that Wii U need much larger install base than the GCN needed, much because of the expense to make HD games. david jarman The wiiu isn’t a failure. :_( The ouya is… Nothing5555 I was actually hoping the Ouya would do better in sales and maybe become the neo-geo of this gen. ScrewAttack The Ouya was a bad thing and encouraged piracy. Now the Retron, THAT looks like cool beans and hopefully will be the next Neo-Geo. david jarman I’m going to go check the Retron out right now! Daniel Gonzalez I don’t think they encouraged it, just didn’t think of the consequences of having a console being open source. It was a bad idea from the start and I’m amazed that it got over 8 million from kickstarter. Maybe it’ll get better, but as of right now, it’s pure crap, especially the tech for it. Retron looks good. I do have high hopes for that. Simon Stevens I’d probably get one if someone managed to emulate gamecube and ps2 smoothly, be nice not to have to rely on my wii and ps3 fatty so much for that, that’s really the only use I could see for it though, android games just lack depth and any kind of appeal to me. ScrewAttack I remember seeing adverts for it showing off the ability to play Super Mario World and other much loved Nintendo titles for free. I’m glad that POS is crashing and burning. I’m definitely interested to see what they do with the Retron. We’ve got a few crates of classics NES, SNES, Megadrive titles at the family home I wouldn’t mind playing again. Jon There was a major selling point for it that it could play Nintendo games using an emulator and was showed off doing so. Magnus Eriksson Is Ouya bad as a console? And how? Sonic the Hedgehog I happen to be playable in Ouya, but I’m a lot more vulnerable to piracy then ever, so, developers would not be so willing to develop for it. Gregg WiiU hasn’t failed. thanks. ScrewAttack It still surprises me to hear that. I love(d) my Gamecube so much, all of my and my bro’s friends did. It was a hit at parties, on the evening….we owned 30-45 titles for it (exact number is lost on me these days, not living at home anymore where our Nintendo history collection is kept) and thought it was doing really really well and was a true hit. Better than the xbox we thought, changing a bit when Halo and Halo 2 arrived. Same with the N64, we bought more games on GC than we have in total for the last two HD generations (including this one so far). If Wii U turns out like Gamecube, I’ll be super happy and totally content. Sonic the Hedgehog Gamecube was great! I actually enjoyed my time there! If only it sold more, but it did sell more than my last home… Re4wii2008 Ahh this reminds me of the good old days when they were able to pump out games like crazy a decade ago! This list doesn’t include Indie games though and with the HD gaming era we live in now Games just can’t be made as easy nowadays so I don’t think this has anything to do with the Wii U’s abysmal sales just the lack of first party games I’m mean the Price drop and Wind Waker did rise Wii U sales pretty good in the first week and they did get better the next one so we’ll see how a fresh 3D Mario Game will do next month! Edit: Also I would like to point out that 36 times 3 is 108 not 109 so it’s not “exactly” 3 times the amount of games but just about lol! Daniel Gonzalez You’re so technical. 😛 Re4wii2008 sorry OCD alert i guess 😛 Mercurio2054 wow i miss that about the programing time. Chad Dodsworth I ran outa breath reading this lol Merrfn Those are long sentences O_O Ony I loved the GameCube. I love the Wii U. What else ? <3 Re4wii2008 I think It’s a tie between the Gamecube and N64 for me on what the best Video Game Console was but the Wii U is the first console I brought with my own money and I can’t wait for some more great games to come! Ony I got the NES long ago, but the GameCube was my very first vg console (buyed with my own money. Dat christmas 2001 with Mario sunshine <333) I got a N64 (with sisters) and I enjoyed every minuts playing at it. Same with the GameCube. Same with the Wii. Same with the Wii U. Actualy, I enjoyed every second of playing on every single console of Nintendo. Why do I love Nintendo? Better games, console? Graphics? Innovation? Nah. They opened me to the Video Game World since the very beginning. Now, I'm a dev, and I'm going to thank Nintendo by making a super awesome game for them! (Hopefully) Sonic the Hedgehog Are you indie? Ony Well I’m actually a student right now… but I’ll certainly be indie, yes :3 Sonic the Hedgehog THAT’S SWEET! Like I told my younger self, and I quote,” Keep running!” Gregg Same here. I’ve been enjoying Nintendo since the launch of the NES. I’ve had HUNDREDS of hours of fun with my Wii. That comes to a few cents per hour. Try that at the movies! 504HotBoy I’m also the biggest Nintendo fan. I’m a Sega fan also. Owned every system. On a side note Super Mario Sunshine came out in 2002. If my memory serves me correctly I believe October 2002. Ony My whole life is a lie D: Okay thanks for the precision :3 Guest Gamecube and Ninendo 64 were both excellent, even without the 3rd party support that the PS1 had i think my favorite still is Gamecube, along with Dreamcast and Game Boy. Ony: Mario Sunshine is awesome. Nintendo,you have to remake Mario Sunshine with a new punchy introduction and a more story driven ending, also add online so that even my friends can help around in the Sunshine world as Toad, Waluigi or whatever. I feel like Wii U will sell like Gamecube if they can’t get the casuals interested, but that’s not a problem for me if the games are just as good. Lil J Moore SNES forever AAAkabob That’s not the point of this article. Michael Jurado oh man the gamecube controller kicked so much ass!!! omg the wii u controller kicks so much ass!! 😀 I see the comparison you did there Ashley nice job 🙂 Daniel Gonzalez You’re a bit looney, Mega Man.Capcom’s lack of love did a number on you huh? Michael Jurado “Looney” ?? i think the word you are looking for is Hilarious 😛 and yes capcom makes me mad with the lack of love for Mega Man they’ve slayed 4 games that were suppose to be released (thank god they did they would have been crap) but what makes me mad is that the creator of Mega Man brings us Mighty Number 9 and now Capcom is all oh ugh we want some of that action -_- Simon Stevens They really should of kept their focus on mega man, viewtiful joe and devil may cry, those are the titles where their milk is made, another resident evil like 4 would of gone done like a spoon full of sugar too, god knows how they messed up so bad, square enix did something similar and are suffering because of it, when they had classic franchises to turn to all along…… neither company listened to it’s fans and neither are doing well for themselves because of it, can only imagine the turn over mae from remakes of final fantasy 7,8 and 9 plus Chron Trigger. Peter Pen all thanks to not having a x86 cpu Daniel Gonzalez This is true. It’s not surprising it fell off the radar then on. The poor media choice for the console was it’s demise with third parties. Michael DeVore That’s because no one wants to do the honest comparison. Unfortunately, it’s like the N64 – When everyone, like Square, abandoned Nintendo. Year 1 – N64 18, WiiU 33 Year 2 – N64 58, WiiU 43 Strip out Nintendo as a publisher and you get Year 1 – N64 10, WiiU 28 Year 2 – N64 51, WiiU 32 On the bright side Year 3 for the N64 had nearly 87 – 100 titles depending on how you count. Donaald I think that a more accurate comparison would be with the PS3. Daniel Gonzalez The article was about Nintendo launches of the Gamecube and Wii U, not Sony. It was quite accurate. Adding the PS3 would be a different article altogether. Besides, articles like that just start up drama that isn’t needed. Nintendo and Sony fanboys will be all over it. Gonçalo Fernandes Legend of Zelda: wind waker only sold 0.03 milion copies in japan http://www.vgchartz.com/game/71407/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker/ ScrewAttack Oh no! It only sold thirty thousand units at launch. In one country. Where it’s not as popular. Daniel Gonzalez What does that have to do with the article? FredMirotic I visit this site on my mobile all the time, and 100% of the time, the site crashes, that’s sad. Jorge Aguirre Just from memory the GameCube had Metal Gear Solid games, and more games from Konami than the Wii did and that the Wii U will have. Another problem is Nintendo has rejected having Grand Theft Auto or any Rockstar games published on their consoles back in the N64 days so they’ve had a bad relationship with Rockstar and they need to apologize. Another thing Nintendo needs to do is they need to add basic features to the Wii U (maybe with an update) for example we should be able to download things like music and videos through our Wii U or the USB ports should allow us to view content from there. I also find it inconvenient that Nintendo’s latest video game console doesn’t have the feature to play DVD’s yet, when the PS2 could do it and even old computers from Windows XP could do it. Come on Nintendo step your game up its about to be 2 gens and there’s still no DVD functionality while your competition is already playing Bluray’s and they’re working on a higher resolution and a new bigger and better format for Bluray’s. Don’t get me wrong I like Nintendo there’s just somethings they lack somethings that I see missing and I would appreciate if Nintendo were to add to the Wii U via an update and whatever they can’t add through firmware is what I expect to see to see on their next console. Michael Jurado yes nintendo please copy your competition that’s the way to go! man no one needs a dvd/video game console that’s why we have a dvd player that’s why there are bluray players that’s why we have VIDEO game consoles also games using bluray formats isn’t all that great for example a game fitting onto a bluray disk is about 75GB now I ask you if you wanted to download a bluray game onto your console would you really give up that much room for 1 game? and then be forced to buy an external hard drive that works for your system instead of an SD card? and while it would be cool to play music and what not off an SD card then that would mean we could play emulators off them too and well if we can do that why would anyone buy video games. consoles should not be judged by their “power” but how well they play video games because if we wanted power computers would dominate and consoles would be a thing of the past Simon Stevens great way of summing it up, my laptop is a piece of crap but it can still play all the games the more expensive laptops and desktops can play, horse power don’t mean nothing so long as the system can play the game acceptably well. Jorge Aguirre Yeah you’re right, maybe gaming consoles should just play video games, and cell phones should just be used for calling. Forget having camera’s and being able to use your phone as MP3 players they’ve added to many features to cellphones and Nintendo would be adding too many features to their consoles if they added a DVD player and more USB functionality to their future console. ScrewAttack Please. Disc-based data storage is so last century. USB 2.0 has a faster read time. I agree that we need some media player capabilities and be able to store/play our own music, films etc on the console or via USB, that’s a feature no other console has really embraced yet (why let you use your own when we can charge you for it?) and would be a useful selling point. howling_wolf1334:[ I had 3 Gamecubes… One for each bedroom… I had the best times playing that console, so I think the best console for me is the GC… The only bad of the gc was that the console sometimes it couldnt read the discs, a very often issue…. shanafan Must be a slow news day for Wii U Daily to post a troll story. Silent At least John K. Got fired Decker Shado Wait, really? Come to think of it, I haven’t read a post from him since “Here’s Super Mario 3D world. I can’t say anything bad about the game, so I’ll just make fun of the way Japanese people talk.” crocodileman94 Really? Why? CEObrainz Hopefully 3rd party support increases exponentially by 2014 when the user base is surely going to be much larger. But if anything, didn’t the GameCube still make profit for Nintendo? Nintedward The Gamecube and Wiiu launched at two different times of year. The Gamecube launched in May in EU if I remember Correctly, Wiiu in late November. Rick Valenta N64 is the best Nintendo ever. This is not open to debate. Maybe Wii U has less games because of the increasing price, complexity and time involved in developing HD games? It will do better as first party IP is released and the install base grows. It will rock it this holiday season as the most affordable Next Gen system.. Marcus Navarro …yes it is open to debate. That point is subjective and can differ between people. Rick Valenta N64’s reign is an objective fact. Sorry. Case closed. N64: 1 Your favorite console (Virtual Boy): 0 Daniel Gonzalez Lol. You must live in your own little world to think your opinion is over everyone else. Marcus corrected you accordingly, what you said is subjective. Plus, when did he ever say that VB was his favorite console? What comment were you reading? N64 was good, but it wasn’t their best console. You’re welcomed to have your own opinion, and so is everyone else. You’re not above anyone. I’ll leave you to your fantasy. Rick Valenta Hey Batman, Chill… If you all can’t tell that I’m joking you need to get out more. Everyone is entitled to their favorite Big N console. I happen to have fond memories of all of them, particularly the N64. Daniel Gonzalez I’ve seen many people act like you and are complete douchebags. Thanks for clearing things up. Perhaps next time you should make it more obvious and we won’t take you as one. Also, I get out often. I just got back from a vacation in San Andreas. Shows what you know! 🙂 Marcus Navarro …excuse me? When did the magical “reign” of superiority ever happen for the N64? I don’t seem to recall it selling 100M units like big bro PS1, do you? Also, you suffer from illusions of grandeur, as if you know a random stranger more than he knows himself. You need help. Magnus Eriksson The question is then: Would Wii U have sold three times as good if it had three times as many games on their newest console? 10.1M in the first year WOULD be a much better year, and 1M over its own anticipations. Of course its wrong to count like this. But more games would obviously have generated more consoles sold… Marcus Navarro Captain Obvious is Obvious. Leo Food for haters and clicks for this website, you mean. BIG Franky not good. not good, at all. (i loved the gamecube too) John Aguilera You also have to consider the cruddy economy everyone’s facing these days. Many game companies have gone under since then. Sdudyoy The Gamecube still remains my favorite game console! The True Gamer Wii u was a confusing and poor name choice, which led to poor sales, which led to a lack of developers, which led to less games, which led to poor sales. Nintendo needs to just release a new Wii u, like the Xbox 360 s or ps3 slim and call it the Wii 2. The Wii u systems could be discontinued and the Wii 2 could become popular, without most people knowing that the Wii u and the Wii 2 are the same system ScrewAttack I still shake my head at how stupid the general populace is, how easily they can be confused by something so simple. They have time to spout shit on the internet, but not enough time to do a five second google search. I mean god damn it, they two things don’t even look the same! Daniel Gonzalez Well to be honest, the average consumer would think so cause it sounds related to the Wii, so I don’t really blame them. It’s Nintendo’s responsibility to ensure that the general public understands that. Having a different name would of saved them a world of trouble. Just my two cents, I think the name was a poor choice. A name that doesn’t relate it to the Wii would have been a better idea. ScrewAttack Nintendo could certainly do more to help (and hopefully will be going forward, with news of them hiring that new advertising firm), but the complete lack of intelligence from people all over, the sheer inability to ask or do a quick internet search on the thing, it’s inexcusable and a frightening sign of the times. People are getting fatter, lazier and more stupid. I do agree on that last note though. I’d have preferred they just call it the U. Daniel Gonzalez U for Universe or Unity would of been catchy. I do agree that people are becoming dumber and fatter, but then again, it’s still the companies responsibility to ensure that their consumers understand the differences. It kinda goes both ways here. Not everyone will do research like ourselves. Funny thing is, not everyone has a PC in their homes yet or good internet. ScrewAttack Yeah I was thinking Universe! It’s sad to think that so many don’t have the pleasure of the world wide web, but so many others that really don’t deserve it do. Daniel Gonzalez Yeah, like bratty kids and idiotic adults that I run into from time to time. Universe I think would’ve been a great name. When it was revealed as the Wii U, all I can think was “really Nintendo? Wii U?” I was disappointed with the name. While I’m not really that impressed with most Wii U games, I won’t write Nintendo off just yet. Which is why I’m here, I’m just buying my time and waiting for the right games that I want out on the market to convince me to buy a Wii U. ScrewAttack Far too many people have a voice on here, when they simply don’t deserve it. I chalked it up to nutty old Japanese thinking. Always up to something crazy, though it generally works out. My collection’s slowly growing; Most Wanted last night (great title), Wonderful 101 earlier this week, then Pikmin and Resident Evil next month, Super Mario following! I’ll have the same number of great Wii U titles as I have total in my Wii collection at this point, so whilst others complain I’m fairly happy with the pace of things. Rinslowe Nintendo Universe would have been right up their alley. It’s genius actually! It would even have helped Nintendo to differentiate their online service Miiverse that much more, as I think about how well put together Miiverse is when saying Nintendo Universe out loud… Their first HD console a universe apart from the Wii. Their first fully fledged online system and lets face it Miiverse is awesome… Being able to connect with other players around the world anytime and share tips, strategies and screenshots, practically on the fly… Anyway I’m a bit off topic. Yeah Nintendo Universe would’ve been a mint idea… Simon Stevens Makes me think of the confused citizens of windfall when Link is winning the auction, Sony and Microsoft bouncing up and down for joy in the midst of it all lol ScrewAttack lol the look on their faces I can only imagine. “Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp?” Simon Stevens http://www.zeldauniverse.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Auction-Winner.png Daniel Gonzalez Unless the Wii U complete flops, I don’t think developing a new system so soon is a bright idea. I do agree though, Wii 2 would have probably been a better choice. Gabe Hoffman You fail to take into account several factors. 1. the game industry has contracted in recent times. 2. there are not as many developers/publishers are there were back then, 3. many of those games were not exactly good. 4. rising development costs mean devs are not able to push as many games at once as before. and 5. digital releases didn’t exists back then. aldo2410 Wait!! 36×3=108!! That’s not exactly 109 bizzy gie ” An astounding 109 games. That’s exactly three times the number of games that the Wii U will see released in the same period.” It’s not exactly. It’s three times plus one. AAAkabob This is actually worrisome. I know Nintendo will continue to make games for the Wii U, but for how long? I think I’m finally coming to grips that the Wii U won’t be around for as long as the competitors. C4 Don’t worry. Wii U Zelda will come at the end of 2018 or so 😀 I suppose you could be right. It was around ~ 5 1/2 years * from SNES/SFC to N64 launch in Japan, another 5+ years from N64 to the Cube. Maybe we will see a similar cycle. However I think the Wii U has everything that can it make into a great console. Games like Pikmin 3 and the HD Wind Waker (both justify buying a Wii U IMHO but maybe not enough reason for many to pay 300$+) is just the start 🙂 Also if they are 1 or 2 years ahead of PS5 and Xbox Two next gen they need to use that as an advantage… * correct me if Im wrong 🙂 Ryan House Super Nintendo was my favorite 2D console. Gamecube So far is my Favorite Nintendo 3D console. Xbox 360 is my favorite HD console. I hope I get more use out of the Wii U then I have had out of the Wii. Wii was the first Nintendo console I never got excited about. Bought it after learning Nintendo was removing gamecube disc playback which is important since my Launch gamecube stopped reading discs I bought a refurb gamecube but I wanted backup Caitlin♂ It’s just developers are too lazy to make a game with the Wii U’s actual architecture in mind and don’t see any games they put on the platform selling much. Granted it cost’s more to make a game on the Wii U compared to the Wii and all, but everyone claiming they want the Wii U to sell more before making games for it aren’t doing anything to help that. Yet the third party support will come in time. Brian Lockett Laziness has little to do with it. It’s about money. Even porting a game is not cheap. From a publisher’s point of view, it’s not worth precious money and time porting to a console where even current third-party support is proving weak. discuss Is that a fair comparisson? We all know the Wii U did very poor in the beginning. Brian Lockett It’s a fair comparison because it’s showing the rate of third-party success compared to another Nintendo console that rather struggle with third-party support. At Wii U’s launch, third-party developers weren’t–and still aren’t–on board with supporting the Wii U, and technically, as a new Nintendo console two generations later (and, you’d think, a decade-worth of lessons learned), it just should’ve been. Is_Mort half those games are probably VC games too lol. Simon Stevens Just like the gamecube back then, I bought my wii u because I just wasn’t that interested in what the other platforms had, if third parties made exclusive games then sure, that’s great, I’ll play but if it’s a lazy rehash, I’ll skip it, I had a ps2 for those titles and played them on there first, as a consumer I buy a console for it’s exclusive content first and for most, Nintendo have never let me down in that respect and hats off to them for sticking with tradition, I would still have a Sony console now if they were still pumping out the kind of games they used to, but lack of jrpgs means no sale to me. Agent721 The reason we have less now on the wii u is the failure of all those games to sell well on the cube and then sold even less on the Wii. Outside of the Prince of Persia games, what other 3rd party games sold well on the cube? Andrew Chambers Rogue Squadron, RE4, RE1, CoD2, etc. Actually, PoP didn’t even break the top 150. Source: http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=GC&genre=&minSales=0&results=200 Brian Lockett Also, Tales of Symphonia, Viewtiful Joe, Viewtiful Joe 2, Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes, Timesplitters 2, Soulcalibur II and Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean. Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader was undoubtedly one of the most amazing of them all, and perhaps the biggest reason why many people bought a GameCube at launch. It certainly was the game that sold me. Cyberus *Glares* I know it’s before my time but I don’t remember ZombiU, Rayman Legends, Just Dance, Assassin’s Creed 3, Assassin Creed 4, Sonic Lost World, Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed, Scribblenauts Unlimited, Scribblenauts Unmasked, Resident Evil Revelations, Monster Hunter 4, Call of Duty Ghosts, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, Disney Infinity, Ninja Gaiden, Batman Arkham City, and Deus Ex coming out on the Gamecube….. discuss Never go full retard. Cyberus My point is, Wii U has great third party support, how could the Gamecube have done better XD Andrew Chambers Sadly, except for certain sites, quantity of titles is more important then quality. Brian Lockett You’ve missed the point of the article. It’s not claiming that quantity of titles is more important than quality. It’s only showing that the even the weakly-supported GameCube saw more support from developers than the Wii U has in the same rate of time. It’s a comparison that raises a good dose of reality to consider about the Wii U. If you don’t have much support, you won’t have much chance of quality games either. It’s as simple as that. You shouldn’t find plain reality being stated as reason for putting words in anyone’s mouth. The True Gamer It think people generally compare third party titles for all systems. In that case, Wii u is really lagging behind the competition. Brian Lockett Sadly, by any way you measure it, Wii U is really lagging behind. First-party games. Second-party games. Third-party games. Overall console sales. Console selling rate. General reception about the console. Stock market confidence. Expected sales this holidays against a $400 PS4. I can’t think of a single aspect where the Wii U is standing on top–even with just among Nintendo fans. Right now, your average Nintendo fan is seeing more action on their 3DS than their Wii U. Brian Lockett You weren’t around to play GameCube to even make that comparison accurately, and yet you’re confident as that being a fact with you? And, seriously, is this what you call a list of great third-party support? > ZombiU (An okay game and decent enough for a launch title, though it wasn’t anything to write home about.) > Rayman Legends (An decent game to list, but it lost its impact to the Wii U when it lost its exclusivity) > Just Dance (Never, EVER list this game. Just never.) > Assassin’s Creed 3 (Came out on PS3/Xbox 360 a month ahead–GameCube saw ports generally the same time the other consoles had theirs.) > Assassin Creed 4 (It’s not even out yet, and it comes out on Wii U last. Oh, and the Wii U version will NOT be getting the DLC. Will undoubtedly see the weakest sales of all the console versions due to it.) > Sonic Lost World (A decent choice to list.) > Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed (An okay choice to list.) > Scribblenauts Unlimited (Cute game but not at all a system seller.) > Scribblenauts Unmasked (Cute game, but not a solid choice.) > Resident Evil: Revelations (Played it on the 3DS…where it should’ve stayed exclusively.) > Monster Hunter 4 (Silly, that’s for the Nintendo 3DS, not the Wii U…check your sources carefully.) > Call of Duty Ghosts (Call of Duty’s on graphing calculators these days. And before Call of Duty, there was Medal of Honor…which was on GameCube and was arguably better than the cheapened hot mess that Call of Duty has become today.) > Wonderful 101 (A good choice to list; would’ve fit in perfectly with the Viewtiful Joe-vibe that GameCube later saw.) > Bayonetta 2 (Not even out yet. The comparison is about released games.) > Disney Infinity (I have no idea how to feel about this game. I still don’t see why it cost $100 million to develop.) > Ninja Gaiden III (An average game. Not a big deal at all.) > Batman Arkham City (Played the game A YEAR before Wii U launched.) > Deus Ex: Human Revolution (You can’t fairly compare what isn’t available yet.) It’s not a terrible list, but it’s not making a good point, and only so much of your list is even relevant. Only a couple of games on this list are relevant to the topic about comparing Wii U’s third-party title to that of the GameCube’s during the same rate of time. The list overall still did absolutely nothing to refute the fact that GameCube still had three times more support than what the Wii U is seeing. Wii U will need to step up its game, because if this is the best list you can muster for it, you’re rather proving a rather obvious conclusion to draw from the comparison: the Wii U’s rate of third-party support is hurting worse than one like you would care to honestly admit. Brian Lockett Com’on, man! That was so fallacious, my eyes burn. I hate it when younger folks compare stuff that’s off on a tangent and they weren’t even around to know well enough what they’re even comparing. If you read the article well enough, you’d know that even this list of yours is still well short of the higher volume of third-party support that GameCube saw, which was the original point. Why are you listing these games as if: a) these listed games are refuting the fact that the number of third-party titles GameCube was three-times higher than what the Wii U has seen so far (it’s not refuting anything) b) most of the games you have listed are all something I would’ve been missing out on back when GameCube was out? Even in terms of game quality, you’ve only really listed a few choices that a GameCube would’ve envied. But Star Wars Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron II alone released for the GameCube during the same rate of time was a third-party game squats on most of your entire list. The GameCube itself wasn’t particularly the strongest with third-party support itself, but that just goes to reveal the shape of the Wii U’s current third-party support–it’s so weak at the moment that even the GAMECUBE saw better support, by several times. Oh, and some of your listed games are invalid as examples, because they aren’t even out yet, which makes your point overall completely off-point, since the article is only comparing released third-party games that were released during the same rate of time. Rinslowe Ah the beloved Gamecube…. Too many factors to consider for a fair comparison. Wii U would have sold 4 million units by Nov no doubt, or thereabouts. It hasn’t been great, but the reasons have been obvious. Mixed messaging in their advertising campaign or not advertising in some areas at all, no critical must have first party titles at launch and ports that were all except AC3 and maybe one or two others, overpriced. Is it too late for Nintendo to reverse this problem? Well for one thing MS has proven that it is possible to throw large amounts of cash at an issue to manufacture certain results… But I think Nintendo didn’t get to having such a healthy stockpile of funds by going all desperado at high noon., so… Maybe not that way. Wii U could end up being more like the 3DS, but again different system, slightly different circumstances, even more competition and hefty amounts of negative criticism from the press means even harder to achieve success in the same way again. But if Mario 3D World is a taste of whats to come, then I’m still hopeful about Wii U’s future prospects. It just keeps getting better and better every time they show footage and I’ll go out on a limb now and say most sites will give it a review score of 9.8-10. It is the first Wii U title I have seen so far that as a U owner is a must must have. WW HD bundle… Will be interesting to see how Dec stats are looking. WW HD bundles should be literally flying off the shelves in the US @ $299.00 is a pretty good deal, right? DKC TF is another title that for me underwhelmed, but the more footage I see, the more I’m convinced this game is another must have Wii U title… I think Nintendo has just enough content now to sway gamer’s towards their system, gamer’s that is who were on the fence about Wii U but were more in camp Nintendo than the competition to start with. Dudes that were going to buy next gen were always going to buy next gen, but perhaps they will consider Wii U later on down the line? Who knows. For me it wasn’t that difficult. I had to get the Wii U, I’m sold on Nintendo’s innovation and quality IP’s. But also I prefer to game on PC for multiplats where possible due to the increase in performance, visuals and just about everything else, more flexibility + the joys of building a rig from scratch. Next Gen for me is offering nothing tangible that I don’t already have covered, but I’m only one dude with one kind of taste… Hope the Big N proves all those overpaid critics wrong once again! Wiiluigi Why are we still talking about the GC? The only thing we should be talking about that system is the VC games we’ll have soon enough. No remakes just release them to VC. We already know Wii U needs more support. Get the word out there, get devs on here. Think of everything you can Nintendo. If not then lets get some new IPs. I loved the GC!! Still do. Many great memories and games but its Wii U time now people. Lets move forward not back. Hulkamania lets be realistic here… no one is going to buy over 100 games within 6 months period… so i’ll be honest.. I’m okay with the Wii U getting less games, just as long as the games are really good. We will be able to actually buy all the good games without being left out of buying other games due to how many exist. John Andalora True, but having over 100 games allows for individuals of all different styles and preferences to purchase a bunch of different games that interest them. Some games may be really really good, but they typically won’t appeal to everyone. Magnus Eriksson How many of the Wii U games are good games then? Gregg Too many to list off the top of my head. Brian Lockett Hyperbole if I ever heard it. I’d sincerely like to see you try. Personally, I could only find four games that come close to being considerably “good”: Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate Pikmin 3 The Wonderful 101 Sonic Lost World …That’s just about all the current good games for Wii U out there I can name. And by “good games,” I simply mean games that a strong number of people (besides just Nintendo fans) might find entertaining enough to buy a Wii U to play. Everything else currently is either not strong enough a game to sell Wii U consoles at large (Lego City Undercover), some kind of game you’d hope wouldn’t sell Wii U consoles at large (Wii U Fit), or games that have been long available elsewhere (like 90% of Wii U’s current third-party list). We need more titles that will make people do a double-take at Wii U–not more of the same of what we saw with the likes of the Wii, which sadly did see success, but largely for all the wrong reason. If someone had released a major RPG or a major action title for Wii U, it would immediately pale the likes of Scribblenauts Unlimited or Skylanders: Giants in terms of the first things that enter your mind when you think about Wii U’s current lineup. Gregg LOL. That’s hilarious and cute, that you think only YOUR opinion of a good game, counts as a good game. Why would anyone even converse with you?! Plus, I don’t speak to trolls. Looking down makes my neck sore. Good day. move along Lophs Are you implying that the Wìi U will sale less than the Gamecube, which was third place lagging behind even the original darth vader xbox? Brian Lockett She’s not implying anything, really. She’s only pointing out that the Wii U’s sales in third-party titles is one-third the amount of support that the GameCube saw in the same amount of time, even though GameCube itself wasn’t particularly the strongest with third-party support itself. It’s just an interesting comparison to which one can draw about their own conclusions. readypembroke I remember reading on the internet 2-3 weeks ago that the GameCube was more powerful than the PS2. When I heard this, I thought of Medal of Honor: European Assault because I remember 4 player of the GC version didn’t have the FPS hit as the PS2 version did with 4 player. Andrew Chambers Playing games like Metroid Prime or Starfox should have told you that. The only reason most games didn’t look better was because of the small disc. Ryan House The problem with gamecube was the 1.5GB disc compared to 8.5GB for a dual Layer DVD that both XBOX and PS2 used Christopher Acuna Yup. The tiny discs, although ADORABLE, just didn’t cut in the data department. tom I owed 2 Gamecubes! Rinslowe Did you pay them back? Christopher Acuna This is why we can’t have nice things!! Jared Garcia To be fair, game development required half the resources, both monetary and man power. Games could be made in less than a year and up to 2 years at most. Christopher Acuna Most of Games Library for the my old Gamecube was primarily exclusives. I think I only had a spotted third party game here and there lol. There was definitely more 3rd party devs willing to give Nintendo exclusivity though back then. Ryan House One thing that I miss about gamecube which is at my cottage is the awesome 3D Logo when the system starts up. when I first turned on my gamecube for the first time I got Goosebumps. The Wii Makes the Sound but doesn’t do the 3D part. Ryan House Gamecube was my only console during the PS2 and XBOX Generation. I bought a PS2 in 2010 so I could go back and purchase PS1 and PS2 Titles. Never owned a PS1 either I only had N64 Petri I switched from Gamecube to PS2, when I got scared of Wii and endless commercials of party games. But now that I have looked back on it, I might have been satisfied with Wii as well. WellWisher I loved my cube. Not sure why it didn’t do that well. I’ll just blame GTA not being on it….. C4 I think it lacked a very popular non-Nintendo-ish title. Like GTA as you said or Gran Turismo, Halo… Metroid Prime could have been that title IMHO, but I guess it’s not mainstream enough. Also RE4 and the RE Remakes should have marketed more aggressively. ICHI There’s a lot of shit in that GameCube list, at least for the most part the Wii u is being ignored by the shovelware patrol. It’s interesting how on the ball Nintendo were with their Mario game, I didn’t remember sunshine being out so quickly?! Ryan House Wii definitely had Shovelware. what do you consider shovelware for Gamecube ICHI BMX XXX, Kelly Slater pro surfer, Nickelodeon party, Casper, Shrek, Nascar, Rugrats, Mary Kate and Ashley, Godzilla etc etc brine I bought a Wii U at launch and while excited by the potential was disappointed with the game results. We played Nintendoland for a few days as a family (family gaming is why we bought the console) but clearly not enough depth there to hold everyone’s interest. We purchased the Avengers game and it was terrible. My son beat it in a couple of hours and the control scheme was so clunky and a ‘fighting game on a rail’ was obnoxious. So we went back to having the occasional Wii Battle Brawl tournaments and Boom Blox. We did get the Mario Bros Wii U but (I didn’t pick it or pay for it) while okay too ‘old hat’. So I kept biding my time waiting for some games we could get as a family without much results from Nintendo’s end. We really looked forward to Rayman Legends but after Ubisoft’s dirty trick I wasn’t in a hurry to run out and grab that. Monster Hunter looked good but I don’t have the time spend hours and hours on such an involving game and didn’t want my kids in the same state (I got stuck on the flounder monster on the Wii version and by the time I could get back to playing it had lost interest in trying to relearn the control schemes. Then I saw (on this site I believe) that Target had the buy 2 get 1 free so I figured I’d better jump. We got Rayman (barely…last copy and had to jump through a lot of hoops to get the display copy since a new girl was working and wasn’t sure ‘she could do that’ although 10 other games display copies had been sold)…Lego City Undercover…and Pikman 3…Rayman is perfect for a pick up and put down game and fun…lots to do…I’ve watched my son play Lego City…load times are annoying and the fighting is simplistic….but the concept is great and the way they use the game pad (especially as a communicator independent of the sound on the tv) is pretty neat. Haven’t touched Pikmin 3 because we are waiting to finish the other games. All in all if they can keep games up to those quality we aren’t ones that rush out and buy a new game every week or even month. So we want challenging, fun, and quality…not a Nintendo ‘fanboy’ (too old for that) but we’ve owned nearly every system out there and still have many hooked up…the Wii U is a sharp gaming system and not disappointed with the purchase at all. Put out more content and it fills a nice niche in the gaming world…We have a PS3 but the family type games aren’t really there as much and we aren’t interested in killing people with the most realistic graphics possible….so PS4 will probably be much of the same so while we probably will get it it isn’t on the break my neck to get it. Microsoft One lost me when we got suckered on the original kinect…and then started acting like knuckleheads… Ryan House I purchased my Wii U in 2012 The Day after Christmas In Canada we call that Boxing day its a Holiday for some but its also when people return broken things and or buy things on sale. I waited until after Christmas because I always ask for money and I wanted to put Christmas money towards Wii U Gregg Nintendo has much more to work with, with the WiiU. Also, Gamecube was awesome. next. palomino blue Times were different then. Console gaming in general was bigger. Gamecube existed in a smartphone/tablet free era. All game developers were pouring their efforts into bigger games and the demand for instant gratification was much smaller. Brian Lockett The smartphone/tablet era today hasn’t stopped the PS4 (and Xbox One, I suppose) from seeing third-party support close to those of console gaming back then. If anything, the PS4’s launch lineup so far has been rather comparable to that of the PS2’s, and they’re gaining more support than they can keep up with announcing. http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/PlayStation_4_Games Veries Seals I dont really see the point of this article. I am sure you can go back to the SNES days and it probably had even more games than the gamecube at this time in its life cycle. Ok so what. I have over half the Wii U library and I cant even play them all because it is too much to do. I am buying a Wii U for my daughter today. And she will start her library. The Wii U will do fine. Sales have picked up in the US and support will follow. Also games take longer to create now than then, so you will have less games. On top of that just about everything is trying to go multi plat. A lot of developers and and publishers are holding off on releasing games until they can have simultaneous releases. 504HotBoy I think a lot of the reason were seeing less of games on Nintendo platform. Is because this past generation ( 360, Wii, PS3), have been mainly dominated by Western Developers. Most Western developers feel a certain way towards Nintendo. If you notice you don’t see Capcom, Konami, Namco, Square/Enix, etc. saying anything bad about Nintendo and all have games available or coming for the platform. All the negative articles out there come from Western developers, not the Japanese developers. Also most Western developers were more prepared for HD. I see a lot of Japanese titles dominating the handheld market though. I wish it go back to the Japanese dominating in software for the consoles. Western developers to obsessesed with guns and over saturate the industry with first person shooters. I miss days when Legend Of Zelda, Castlevania, Sonic, Mario, Ninja Gaiden, Ecco, etc., would be bought without hesitation over games like Call Of Duty, Halo, etc. devmiles quite obvious…along the way nintendo lost so many developers since WiiU4life In all fairness the GameCube was 199.99 MSRP at launch. At that price point it better have more 3rd and 1st party support. Zuxs13 $270 in today’s money, so only $30 difference. Zuxs13 Oh but the Wii U will be fine! Mario will save the day, no no Wind waker, no wait Donkey Kong, D’oh delayed. No No Smash bro’s , oh wait no idea when its coming out. It needs games and they are not releasing them, so It will continue to struggle until they do. MujuraNoKamen I don’t want to be negative but I can’t see things getting much better for Wii U on the 3rd party front as devs will try to push the other consoles and leave out Wii U. Unless Wii U sales improve/PS4 & XBone’s flop. That being said we are getting some good stuff particularly from Ubisoft & Activision. I’m glad you added the line “many people purchased the system exclusively to play Nintendo games and didn’t buy third-party titles” as it is extremely relevant to Wii U. As a Nintendo fan I’d rather play a Nintendo game like Zelda or Metroid Prime above any other as they are the best around but that doesn’t mean other peoples’ games aren’t worth your time? Hell no! Nintendo might be the best but if I said to you “I wont play Skyward Sword, Link Between Worlds, and Mario Galaxy because OoT & Mario 64 are better” You’d call me an idiot as they’re all great games regardless of anyone’s opinion on which is best and all are more than worthy of your time. So why do so many of you pass up on MH3U, CoD, W101 etc? We all beg for these games to arrive and for when the first time in a while Nintendo gets great support from 3rd parties (such as Blacklist, Ghosts and Watch Dogs coming day 1) you ignore it and buy Mario games that everyone bitched about when they were revealed. Then the 3rd party sales flop and when it is announced that the next games in the franchises wont come to Wii U you all complain and beg for it happen. only for they cycle to repeat itself. Get Mario games if you want – I will – but if 3rd party means anything to you buy those first and get Mario further down the line – if Marios sales were a bit slow, the next one will come to Wii U because Nintendo HAS to support Wii U, 3rd parties don’t and they will go to PS4 and U will miss out. There’s been a bit of an uproar about potential AC4 DLC not coming to Wii U, since this is the shitty little DLC packages that are ready before the game is even shipped that we all complain about then why do you care if it’s not coming, you wouldn’t buy it anyway! Of course I’d rather have the full game but it’s not like we’re missing a full game mode like Batman. Are you just trying to find any excuse so as not to support 3rd parties? No you say good, bet to it, for me Mario & DK can wait till Christmas, I’m getting WD and COD ASAP just like Blacklist. C4 One of the best consoles and the european launch and post launch line-up (IIRC we had to wait for ~ march 2002) was amazing. Controller is very comfy but lacks some functionality here and there (Z Trigger / Button is weird, and many games would have benefit from a second shoulder button on the left side) . WaveBird was the first true 1st Party wireless controller. It also had F-Zero GX, Wave Race and a good Fire Emblem and a hand full of RPGs 🙂 . I hope Wii U gets similar titles as well, I miss racing and RPG games the most, and the mentioned titles are still good by todays’ standards. Jonathan George Anaya Seeing that Ninty made a profit off of every GCN sold and they lose money on every Wii U sold…. PLUS the GCN had 3x the amount of games? Holy crud, the Wii U is seeming like a Bigger flop than most Analysts predicted it would be! Brian Lockett GameCube for sure had a better third-party support, even though it was technically lacking with third-party support compared to the PS2 and X-Box (though, still better than the Dreamcast). It didn’t see great numbers, and even back then, I particularly felt the stark difference between GameCube and PS2 in terms of third-party support, but still, it had enough to where I felt confident enough to purchase a GameCube. GameCube had a somewhat decent amount third-party games, including Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader, one of the greatest third-party launch titles ever created. I mean, when I saw that first GameCube commercial and saw Rogue Squadron II, that game alone sold me on GameCube. That was the kind of game that I didn’t buying the system for, even if it took a while for more better games to arrive. It was the first time I bought a console at its launch. It’s been almost a full year and I still haven’t bought a Wii U yet. I’m still waiting for that moment that’ll make me want to rush out and get a Wii U. I like the Pikmin series, but not enough to drop $400+ on. It’s not quite my “Rogue Squadron II” level of excitement for Wii U. Had I bought a Wii U at launch as I originally intended, I’d be one of those frustrated Wii U owners, stranded with a Wii U collecting dust in a corner, praying for digital rain. beez1717 Um… Shouldn’t we be looking at the same point in the console ‘s life and not the same months?