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Thread: How the Wii u could have been saved.

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    How the Wii u could have been saved.

    Instead of writing an award winning novel I'll just get to the point.

    1. Early on there should have been a gamepadless SKU with a pro controller and a REALLY aggressive price drop to make up for having a normal joe console that's weaker than the others. They could gave reprogrammed the OS and everything so that it was pro controller friendly at all times. Sure SOME games would be incompatible but at the end of the day the titles people would be there for would work just fine and sales would have been much better meaning more games released.

    2. Market to adult gamers, not children. I've been over this a million times. The Wii u ads all made the system look like a children's toy and embarrassed their userbase and turned people off of the system. Switch is doing a great job with marketing in contrast, this is what should have been with Wii u.

    3. I ran out of ideas yo


    I know the pro controller SKU idea is controversial but let's think about it. The Wii u's entry price was pretty high for what it was. I had to issue with it but it was a niche product due to the gamepad+ poor marketing + price. Imagine if Wii u became a value focused system meant to do gaming well. $199 with a game? That would have FLEW off shelves faster than you can say Wii u is doomed.

    The situation is done, is just for a look back. I personally loved the gamepad but I always knew it held back the success of the system. Luckily Nintendo is doing an excellent job with switch. It's price is a lot more justifiable to the masses because it has that cool factor and convenience no other system has. A stationary home console needs to offer what really matters to consumer. That's games and a good value.

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    As weak as it was compared to the competition, it would have had to have a massive price cut for what you're saying to work.
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    I don't think the game pad was the problem. I think the way Nintendo handled it was. They didn't even use half of its potential. Aside from Zombii U, most games only featured "off TV mode" or an item management screen. There could've been so much more done with the game pad if Nintendo had actually tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodenSaucer View Post
    As weak as it was compared to the competition, it would have had to have a massive price cut for what you're saying to work.
    That's what I am saying...$200 would have been fine. But as long as the games were there then it would have been justified. Power isn't gonna be on people's minds when a system is cheap and has great games. The alternative would be to keep Wii u how it was and it failing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glacier View Post
    That's what I am saying...$200 would have been fine. But as long as the games were there then it would have been justified. Power isn't gonna be on people's minds when a system is cheap and has great games. The alternative would be to keep Wii u how it was and it failing
    I think it would have needed to be under $200.
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    1. Should have been lower priced or higher priced with better specs.

    2. Should've had marketing.
    2a. Of the little marketing it did have, it should have appealed to all demographics.

    3. Should've had a mainline Mario, Zelda, or Metroid. (Or in the case of Zelda, it should have had it much sooner.)

    4. They should have ditched Amiibo. They were a decent idea, but they overused them majorly to lock content behind the figures (see: Splatoon). Or in other cases, they were completely worthless in games (see: Star Fox Zero). And like all popular Nintendo products in recent years, they were very hard to find in the first few months, maybe even longer than that (see: NES Classic and Switch).

    5. GameCube VC might have helped. I'm pretty sure they promised it at some point but never delivered.

    I used to wonder why the Wii U never sold. Looking back, it's not hard to see. It was underpowered and undersupported, even by Nintendo, with it lacking a main 3D Mario, Zelda (until the release of the Switch, aka its death anyway), and Metroid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodenSaucer View Post
    I think it would have needed to be under $200.
    With ps4 at $400, $200 is fine. That's literally half the price. People don't care about specs as much as you are led to believe. The Xbox one X would be significantly more popular than the ps4 if it was such a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the ancient gamer View Post
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    Nintendo just half-arsed and mismanaged what was a great little console. Game droughts, lazy ports (mostly from Nintendo) and eventual abandonment is what killed it.

    Look at a game like Lego City to see how the Wii U should have been utilised and showcased.
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    I'm still waiting on that extra gamepad compability
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glacier View Post
    With ps4 at $400, $200 is fine. That's literally half the price. People don't care about specs as much as you are led to believe. The Xbox one X would be significantly more popular than the ps4 if it was such a big deal.
    Then we're back to the circular argument that they do care about the games that low specs prevent from coming. So if you're not going to get all the games, it needs to be below $200. And I'm talking about for one without a GamePad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodenSaucer View Post
    Then we're back to the circular argument that they do care about the games that low specs prevent from coming. So if you're not going to get all the games, it needs to be below $200. And I'm talking about for one without a GamePad.
    There would have been a lot more games coming than what actually was there. $200 with a game valued at $60 would have been realistic and the best case scenario. Plenty of people would have gotten it for exclusives at least. I would expect making a gamepadless SKU would have at least made the system sell 2.5 times better than it did. We also go into a circular argument that this would have just turned into a library similar to the 3ds's just like how switch is doing, but it would have gotten games like far cry 4 and dragon age Inquisition, any last gen game basically. Offering a different experience to the brown shooter boxes is what it would become in 2015 and beyond.

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    You forgot change the bad name and actually make games for it.

    And I don't really care, but saying make a gamepad-less version is the same as saying make a Switch-TV. It completely defeats the purpose of the system. Is it worth it to drop the price? In both cases I'd say yes personally, but I'm pretty sure you won't for a tablet-less Switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    You forgot change the bad name and actually make games for it.

    And I don't really care, but saying make a gamepad-less version is the same as saying make a Switch-TV. It completely defeats the purpose of the system. Is it worth it to drop the price? In both cases I'd say yes personally, but I'm pretty sure you won't for a tablet-less Switch.
    Gamers don't care about silly gimmicks on a stationary home console. Portability is a benefit especially for busy adults or people who move around a lot. Switch doesn't force you to use non traditional ways of playing. It's a normal game system that is a hybrid. The Wii u isn't that. The tablet thing wasn't working out, so it would have been best to give it the kinect treatment.

    Switch's hybrid design is objectively making it fly off shelves while history has proven numerous times that gimmicks on stationary home consoles are fads for a time and fail. Wii was a success because of it's fad that died out. Kinect, psmove and Wii u gamepad....where are they now? That's a question I don't need to answer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glacier View Post
    Gamers don't care about silly gimmicks on a stationary home console. Portability is a benefit especially for busy adults or people who move around a lot. Switch doesn't force you to use non traditional ways of playing. It's a normal game system that is a hybrid. The Wii u isn't that. The tablet thing wasn't working out, so it would have been best to give it the kinect treatment.

    Switch's hybrid design is objectively making it fly off shelves while history has proven numerous times that gimmicks on stationary home consoles are fads for a time and fail. Wii was a success because of it's fad that died out. Kinect, psmove and Wii u gamepad....where are they now? That's a question I don't need to answer
    It's all subjective my friend. It's pretty clear people like the gimmick of the Switch much more then the Wii U, I'm not going to argue that. I'm just telling putting in perspective what "remove the gamepad" means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    It's all subjective my friend. It's pretty clear people like the gimmick of the Switch much more then the Wii U, I'm not going to argue that. I'm just telling putting in perspective what "remove the gamepad" means.
    All except the IR camera that nobody even knows is on there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    It's all subjective my friend. It's pretty clear people like the gimmick of the Switch much more then the Wii U, I'm not going to argue that. I'm just telling putting in perspective what "remove the gamepad" means.
    It's like "remove the kinect" from xbox one. Microsoft was going on and on about how kinect was.vital to Xbox one and blah but then they took it out, got a better boss and listened to what people wanted and the xb1 brand is now saved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glacier View Post
    It's like "remove the kinect" from xbox one. Microsoft was going on and on about how kinect was.vital to Xbox one and blah but then they took it out, got a better boss and listened to what people wanted and the xb1 brand is now saved.
    The Xbone brand is saved? Last I checked they stopped making exclusives and were still miles behind PlayStation. But Xbox did other things as well. They put a focus on games (and then swiftly dropped that focus), they made a revised model that has new functionality.

    But yeah I dunno if Nintendo should be looking at Xbox for an example of what to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    But yeah I dunno if Nintendo should be looking at Xbox for an example of what to do.
    Microsoft is the most consumer friendly of the three now. For the longest time they were the complete opposite. But with Spencer at the helm, Xbox is much more attractive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    The Xbone brand is saved? Last I checked they stopped making exclusives and were still miles behind PlayStation. But Xbox did other things as well. They put a focus on games (and then swiftly dropped that focus), they made a revised model that has new functionality.

    But yeah I dunno if Nintendo should be looking at Xbox for an example of what to do.
    Xbox is selling fine, it's behind ps4 but is far from failing and single handingly scared the crap out of GameStop with their gamepass service which I believe is the future of video games for a Netflix style game service.

    Microsoft is the most consumer friendly of the 3 and Sony is most arrogant BECAUSE they are number 1. You want to see a bad example for Nintendo? Just look at Sony who couldn't give a crap what people want and insult their own legacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by savinghyrule View Post
    Microsoft is the most consumer friendly of the three now. For the longest time they were the complete opposite. But with Spencer at the helm, Xbox is much more attractive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Glacier View Post
    Xbox is selling fine, it's behind ps4 but is far from failing and single handingly scared the crap out of GameStop with their gamepass service which I believe is the future of video games for a Netflix style game service.

    Microsoft is the most consumer friendly of the 3 and Sony is most arrogant BECAUSE they are number 1. You want to see a bad example for Nintendo? Just look at Sony who couldn't give a crap what people want and insult their own legacy.
    I love Phil Spencer and would totally agree about them being the consumer friendly company. And I totally agree PS is being annoying now with the cross play crap and stuff.

    But the topic was saving your platform and making money. I don't actually know how much of an improvement they've made sales wise. But just looking at the number it doesn't seem that dramatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    I love Phil Spencer and would totally agree about them being the consumer friendly company. And I totally agree PS is being annoying now with the cross play crap and stuff.

    But the topic was saving your platform and making money. I don't actually know how much of an improvement they've made sales wise. But just looking at the number it doesn't seem that dramatic.
    Before Phil Spencer Xbox one was a really hated system and people weren't really buying it. Forcing the kinect and talking about anything other than games.

    Now it's all about the games and a good value. They don't have exclusives like sony does but their goal is to offer gaming at a good value. You are still playing all the big AAA multiplats, great Indies and some notable titles you can't get on ps4 like Forza,halo and gears of war. A lot of people gloss over that people usually buy consoles for games like AC, far cry, NBA, Witcher, WWE, GTA, battlefield ect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew79 View Post
    By Nintendo getting their sh** together.
    Lol. Yeah that would really help too. Fortunately they seem to have done that with Switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    Lol. Yeah that would really help too. Fortunately they seem to have done that with Switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by savinghyrule View Post
    Microsoft is the most consumer friendly of the three now. For the longest time they were the complete opposite. But with Spencer at the helm, Xbox is much more attractive.


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    This is essentially the role of the runner up in each generation.

    When you're not winning, you're trying to win over the market by being better value than your competition.

    Nintendo either isn't willing to do this, or isn't aware that they need to do this.

    Take Sony last generation, they realized after two years that they had lost the market to Microsoft and Nintendo (to a certain degree) and had to invest in their product and platform to convince people to get it.
    They remodeled their system a couple of times, paid for exclusives, expanded their portfolio of studios, dropped the price, offered free online, a wide VC collection of past games and had far more exclusives than MS.

    Nintendo's response to being in third place? Cut marketing, leave the product without a revision, refuse to drop the price of the unit throughout it's life, focus on another more successful platform, they didn't invest in new studios, didn't court third parties for games, ended the life cycle early.
    They essentially refused to invest in the platform and whenever game x didn't cause units to fly off shelves they held up their hands and went "what's going on??".
    Wii U had a lot of cool games, but they were secondary titles for a lot of fans. There's usually a particular game (or two) that someone finds to be their go to irresistible title, and the others are just gravy.
    For some people it's Metroid, others a 3D Mario, Zelda or similar. We didn't really see a mainline in any of those series, we got Smash and Mario Kart but it seems that those aren't go to franchises for enough people these days.
    I got mine for Mario Kart, as that's my go to title. Also had Pikmin as well, which is pretty close to a go to title for me these days.
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    The Switch has proven that if you take the time to invest in advertising, and have a big game at launch people are interested in, you can get fans to invest in your product even with a barren launch lineup. I think there are quite a few reasons the Switch is succeeding where the Wii U failed. For one, Nintendo advertised the thing. They spent the money to have their product on TVs across the world. Two, they knew exactly what the Switch needed as an identity and played to it's strengths. Three, they made sure it was known it was a new product and not a "Wii Switch". Four, they have a console with a feature that is apparently attractive to a lot of people. And lastly, I think people wanted to be able to support Nintendo.

    I still believe Nintendo has a ton of fans, but most just didn't have any reason to buy a Wii U. A lot of Nintendo's biggest games didn't even make it to the console, and the third party games it did get were games you could play on other consoles and it isn't like you had the feature of being able to take them outside your house. I think that there actually are quite a few people who would choose multi-plat games on the Switch over the other consoles for that exact reason. It's hard to say that with the Wii U, because the best you could do is lounge around the house with it.

    I think one of the biggest mistakes Nintendo made with the Wii U, besides being cocky after the Wii's success, was leaving the "Wii" in the name. In my opinion, they should have differentiated from the Wii entirely. Instead, they tried to ride that bandwagon and it just didn't work out. A lot of families were probably still satisfied with the Wii and didn't need another console. Another issue was the Wii U releasing literally right before the PS4 and Xbox One and being the weakest console. Many people were probably already saving up for one of those consoles. I think Nintendo played their cards right this time, though, and it will be exciting to see how things progress from here.
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