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    Will Nintendo Be Too Late With QOL Platform, Too?

    There is a new article on the front page about the QOL platform-



    My first thought on their QOL product is that it is Nintendo publicly turning their head away from the rising trend of wearable tech. Iwata is putting his head in the sand again while Sony is showing off their wearable tech for the PS4 tomorrow:



    Sony is even talking of cutting Nintendo off at the pass by pressing their HMD as a piece of tech that can be used in schools for education.



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    Well, I never really saw a good outcome for the QoL platform anyway :/
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    I don't understand how a VR headset has to do with health...

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    It has a particular quality and it's possible to simulate everyday life with it?

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    Probably because there is speculation that these VR headsets can be used for training and education to simulate a variety of things.
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    What Nintendo needs to be talking about and the future hardware they need to be concerned about are their next portable and next console. Sony is out there setting the future of GAMES and Nintendo is like, "We're going to do QOL with a body scanning system."

    This QOL venture is not their next console and the distraction doesn't fix the issues with WiiU.

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    Other wearable tech like wrist phones are going to be partially targeting the QOL audience, but VR is already used in mental health treatment (and I'm sure Sony's setup will beat the 1994 tech used by those doctors).

    Indirectly, VR could encourage obese people to be more physically active in games and to use the Move controller, but I think that if pointing a wand for an hour is one's idea of a workout; then good luck with your heart attack at 50.

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    That's not my idea of working...
    Other than being an ass, you made a good point.

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    umm, okay, um i'm already shocked when i read the title. we still haven't seen what the QOL product from nintendo is, nor do we have any idea how it looks, what it does as QOL, and there's someone having doubts about it already? hold off on speculation until they go and announce the bloody thing, just as much as there's a chance that it could fail, there's a chance at possible success still because we have no idea what it is. might be more clearer when it is shown. depending on which direction they go with it, as far as speculation goes right now now isn't the time to be worried about the QOL product. just calm down and wait until they reveal it.

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    I want Sega back, they were on the right track with Virtual On! I want Mechas, made for destruction, not, whatever QOL is, some headset to see pixles, or, whatever the kinect does.
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    So, Sony copies the Oculus Rift. It's in stages somewhere where software development isn't even ready to be developed yet and it's threatening the new QoL platform that we know nothing about from Nintendo. Makes sense! Hail Sony for their amazing innovation!

    it uses the Playstation Eye which is horrible, worse and more inaccurate than Kinect. the Playstation move wand, which never caught on because it works about as well as a Wii mote after you've dipped it in water and that always healthy, life altering Dual Shock 4 controller.
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    Sorry, the you was meant as the general you-- not you specifically.

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    That is a very stupid question. We don't even know what exactly QoL is and for the record I think I remember reading that it would involve both wearable and non wearable tech

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    First of all, like Charski and others have pointed out, you don't even have any idea what QoL is. If it is a line of some kind of interactive exercise equipment, how is a VR headset going to compete with that? Sony's VR headset will be primarily used for games. I believe that Nintendo's QoL will not have anything to do with games. They are totally different markets, and they won't even be in competition with each other. It's like saying people won't buy Schwinn's new line of bicycles because Rubbermaid is coming out with some awesome salad bowls.

    Why do people keep saying this? There is no distraction. My wife works in the main office of a company that distributes auto paint. They were just acquired by another bigger company that deals with auto parts. Both sides of the company kept the same staff and computer systems, and they are continuing to work separately, just like they always have. This is the same type of deal with Nintendo. They are starting up a new division that will have its own new staff and be run completely separately from their gaming division. They're hiring all new people for this, and it's not going to have any effect whatsoever on the gaming division.

    Why is it that nobody complains about Sony's electronics division being a distraction to their gaming division? It's because everyone understands that they are run completely separately, and what goes on in one doesn't directly effect what goes on in the other. That is exactly what Nintendo is doing. QoL will not directly effect gaming for the positive or negative. All it will do is up the chances that Nintendo can survive because all their eggs won't be in one basket.
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    Lol at all this, but for one, I think Nintendo needs to stay out of QOL. I mean yeah they made a hit with Wii Fit, but they do not really know that much about this space, and they are a new player. Actually that's NOT the problem, but the problem is, the way Nintendo likes to play is not the same way to play in the fitness/QOL space. That and the fact that #1, that DOES take away from precious resources we don't have for Wii U games and services, and #2, because Nintendo will be dead last when it finally comes..

    This comes from the idea that they don't know how to play. When it comes to QOL or fitness, you can't just wait your cards out and then pop out when no one is looking and say - "Hey try this!" because everyone will have already spent their money on Fitbits, or that Nike thing, or a SmartWatch by one of many vendors, or something else, and they will go oh.. no, why do I need that, I have spent all my moneys on all this crap.

    It's not the same space as Consoles, and I don't see any good thing coming of this, even if I don't know what the QOL system IS or what it does, we all know Nintendo and that's all we really need to know at this point.

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    I'll admit that I'm dubious, but I'm reserving my judgment for after they reveal what the heck it is. Knowing Nintendo, this is going to be some cool, innovative thing that nobody has ever tried before. The only thing we know for sure is that whatever it is is non-wearable, which means it will not even be in competiton with Fitbits, that Nike thing, or SmartWatches. The fact that it's non-wearable leads me to believe that it's something bigger. For all we know, it could be something that they market to fitness centers, and it won't even be on the market at all for personal use.

    It's pretty silly to just dismiss something that we know absolutely nothing about, especially when it's coming from a company 125 years old that has been successful in a lot of different industries.
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    yeah, QOL is still out of my grasp since we know nothing about nintendo intentions and ideas around it.

    What I know, is what sony VR might be, and I won't be using it probably, it feels wrong, I would understand something that imerse myself in the game like SAO (anime) has, but, this VR is like the Neanderthals of hominids, the wrong route.

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    Hmm... Valid point. I didn't think about that before. 'Non Wearable' that is something.. Who knows.

    Oh yeah, forgot to LOL at that VR headset....

    VR is worthless, all of it, no matter if it's Sony's or that stupid looking Oculus Rift.. Google Glass is the only VR type system that is in any way practical.. And even then it's not practical..

    Until they can pump one out for under $150 (with GOOD ways to use it and enjoy it) then there is no point in even talking about it..

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    We're pretty certain that all three of the manufacturers were designing goggle monitor thingies at one point. Sony is unveiling their's first. We haven't heard anything about Nintendo's version for quite some time, so in all likelihood that's going to be scrapped unless it becomes a popular way to game. Which I doubt will occur, at least during this generation. I don't understand the appeal of such a thing myself, in a general sense, but also in a specific one--how do they improve the console experience? It spares people the effort required to look at their television? And so many people's televisions are big ol' high resolution monitors to boot. How are goggles better than that? It's true it will surround folks' eyes with the graphical world presented, but unless the graphics involved are remarkable, it just doesn't wash. These goggles may have some success, and stick around, I'll give them that. I just don't think they'll be a big deal. And good lord, you think production costs are high now? Oof.

    Anyway, as others have pointed out, the Sony VR headset has absolutely nothing to do with Nintendo's QoL plans. Also, Sony is intent on partnering their headset with a new PS Move. It sounds like you've found yourself a console, Dustin.
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    I'm not entirely sure what QoL entails and I'll be honest with you, I have no interest in finding out about what it entails.
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    Judging from some of the things that Iwata has said; there will still be software involved in this product whether it's sold to gyms or living rooms or both. Nintendo, despite their bank account, is a company with a limited number of teams and about 5000 employees. Any product that they are working on that isn't a product for gamers, and doing so without expanding their workforce (mergers and acquisitions), is going to be a distraction from the core consumer they are failing to reach. I believe there are corrections they need to make to the WiiU-- not shifting 10-20% of your workers/R&D to something that isn't aimed at the consumers they need to be worried about.

    Nintendo's problem is they aren't focused on what gamers are/were interested in terms of a system as a product itself. And the medicine that Iwata has prescribed is to focus on them less.

    Sony is learning to bridge the success of their gaming platform into selling users screens, speakers, and 3D-- hardware that is universal in its function. Whatever this QOL platform is; I don't perceive it will work with anything that doesn't have Nintendo's name on it, including your phone.

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    They're hiring more people Dustin, and constructing more buildings. They're even hiring more people to make non-QoL platform games.
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    **** fitness. Sounds like duh. Science will take care of fitness. A pill or something. No future in fitness programming which is basically what it is. Sports is fun. But fitness? Leave it to science. They already have the industry anyways. Arnold's days are over with. Missing protein? They have pills just in case you're too obese to eat anymore. Ya know?

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    Lol. I think your thinking about fitness like people who like to be fit and are into fitness products (ie like.. The Gym) But they are going to try to either sell this to doctor's offices and advanced gyms, or market it to fat, lazy folks like myself who have no motivation to get fit (and thus are in denial to the idea that they have to work hard to 'get fit' so they would rather purchase either gimmicks, or what you talk about the 'magic pill' which is complete and utter bullsh*t).

    Simply this: Get your ass outside and walk and run. It does you wonders and doesn't cost anything.
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    I see you noticed that one good sir.
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    Honestly, this QoL thing will probably be aimed at the aging population to keep them ambulatory and healthy as they move along in years. That's becoming a large problem in Japan and will shortly become one as baby boomers get older. They'll probably do something to make it more fun to do so. Nintendo will also probably acquire companies doing research in the field and merge those ideas with whatever they're working on. This has the potential to be huge.

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    Something just seems wrong by condemning something that we havent even got actual details on so far lol
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    not when it is about nintendo then it is open season for condemning anything
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    i am not even sure what their qol platform is...wha the heck is it?
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    The reason the Sony headset is relevant is because Sony is saying, wearable hardware is the future, and Nintendo is saying, "Sony is wrong." The VR thing may not sell 60 million units but it is something that is here to stay and will only advance over the years to become smaller and lighter. It will now be a part of gaming, as an option, and Nintendo is arguing that it's not what gamers want (despite having designed a console that broadcasts video wirelessly out of the box). This is Nintendo not getting on board with yet another inevitability in gaming tech.

    Technology has reached the point where it is possible to wear computers on your wrist or put a camera on a pair of glasses-- that is just where everything is going and Nintendo is saying no, again.
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    VR or even TrackIR really only caters towards a very very niche audience. Its mostly suited more for people that play some form of Flight sim be it MS flight simulator, IL-2, Star Citizen, and a few other games. I don't really see this catching wind with anyone honestly. Not unless it can garner the amount of hype and acclaim the Oculus has. Even if that was the case I very much doubt it would catch anyone's attention.

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    Nintendo isn't saying that they're not doing anything with wearable tech; who knows what they have in R & D. They're just saying that the QoL product isn't wearable. I'm not sure why you're so bent on drawing a parallel between the VR headset and Nintendo's QoL product when they're entirely different products directed at entirely different audiences. I retreat: Nintendo hasn't said "no" to wearable tech at all.

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    QoL for Nintendo is focusing on health..... and the Sony headset will most likely not be involved with that type of activity...

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    I agree that QoL will involve software. I have no idea how, though. It could be some kind of more interactive elliptical where you have a screen and can run around the Wii Sports Resort island, or something. Who knows?

    But like ancient pointed out, why can't you understand that they're building a whole new division with all new people? This is not going to take away from what they're already doing. Mergers, acquisitions, and new division start ups happen all the time. Like I said before, my wife's company got acquired by a larger company, and in practicality, it didn't change a thing about how either company was run. Nintendo is probably building a new QoL division from scratch, but for all we know, they could be acquiring some company that is already into that type of thing.

    Did you like the band Spin Doctors? SMH. Wu pointed it out, but I'll repeat it since maybe repetition will help you understand. All they said was that for QoL, they're working on non-wearable tech. The reason they said that is because they don't want people to be confused that they're making things like the Vitality Sensor, FitBit, or those health watches. They're making something different from that. They weren't even talking at all about wearable gaming tech. This is a totally different market, and you can't compare them.
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    Where are they hiring currently? I saw someone here mention that new offices are being built and staffing up... where is that currently taking place? That'll be the first clue as to whatever it is that they're working on.

    Until we have a clearer idea what Nintendo is doing, I don't know if Sony's announcement really affects what Nintendo is trying to achieve. This appears to be targeting the Oculus Rift/Google Glass market more than anything else.
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    I'm reminded of last year after E3 when people argued that just because a WiiU version of GTA or Battlefield or Destiny wasn't confirmed didn't mean they weren't coming to the platform.

    The only new hardware Iwata is talking about is non-wearable. If there are plans for a hmd, then they would be talking about it and not so openly advertising how they're leapfrogging wearable tech. They even made a cheap graphic illustrating their strategy.



    If Iwata is arguing that Nintendo needs to run away to a blue ocean because there is too much competition already in wearable tech-- then he isn't going to release wearable tech.
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