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    It's a pretty silly option, if you ask me. I would rather see Nintendo put resources into making the GamePad more integrated with the Wii U software (like being able to check Miiverse through a simplified menu on the touch screen without interrupting what's on the TV) than backpedal like this.

    The more Wii Us are sold with the GamePad, the cheaper it will be to manufacture the hardware. Releasing a secondary SKU without the GamePad - if the idea resulted in increased sales at all - would drag this process out and could, in time, lead to the GamePad being scrapped as an input device.
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    It is already starting to beat the xbox 1 sales.


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    Just because you don't want others to have options for selfish reasons doesnt mean its a bad idea, its for the best you walk away from this one, cant win them all

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    lol, because you do not like his opinion you tell him to walk away from the discussion. That is mature.
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    That is a rumor, Nintendo needs to be at the top or near it because they are constantly being ignored as a 8th gen system

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    and you think the media will be positive when nintendo does your idea. You do know that nintendo has been ignored/bashed since the nes right.


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    Lol he said he gave up himself, yes its our opinions but consumer options are a good thing, if xbox one had a separate optional model without Kinect, that would be good for the consumer and sales

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    It's a topic that has been discussed before and there are blogs dedicated to it as well. It's not a bad idea and perhaps Nintendo even had some, albeit short, internal discussions about it; however, I can't see Nintendo going that direction. While I generally subscribe to the school of thought that giving consumers options is a good thing, this probably isn't a good option.

    At the end of the day, Nintendo wants the gamepad to be a part of the Wii U experience. Has it been fully utilized yet, no. With that said, I do believe creativity will catch up over time to produce some great results with the gamepad.
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    Excuse me if this sounds rude, but it seems much more like you're the one with the selfish reasons here.
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    If nintendo listened to all their "fans"they would have been bankrupt by now. Consumers are the most selfish arrogant people that know nothing about the business they think they know so much of.

    Nintendo was the top of the 7th gen but the media and devs still kept on bashing and ignoring the system, what makes you think making a wii u version without a gamepad would make the devs and media do a 180.
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    And you completely miss the part that there are existing games and services that REQUIRE the gamepad. You also make the assumption that swapping out the gamepad (Rumored to have a cost of $80 - $120) for a controller that cost $40-$50 would save all that money which using simple and basic math it will not. But never mind that because there are games and services that REQUIRE the gamepad and with 5+ million console sold they are not going to change all that just to accommodate the people that want to make the cheapest system cheaper because the prices of the XB1 and PS4 are so justified but the price of the Wii U is not
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    Rather, we'd see the backlash from the 2DS announcement... the internet screaming "SEE?!? THIS IS NINTENDO ADMITTING THE GAMEPAD IS A STUPID IDEA AND THEY'RE SLOWING PHASING IT OUT! DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM when am I getting Zelda on my PS4?"

    People care way more about the pissing contest than they do about the actual games, anymore.
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    Nes= No, they were on top

    SNES= genesis and SNES were neck and neck

    n64= yup, because they used carts and not disks

    gamecube= yup, they used tiny disks that had low storage which resulted in poor ish third party support

    wii= yup underpowered and people didn't realize you could use a classic controller, I loved this system

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    you can fit a map better on screens these days and have a small touch screen

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    And is the console really so expensive. I mean really, $300. That's a whole $100 cheaper than the PS4 and $200 cheaper than a one. And if they did this, the devs would stop making games that support the gamepad so it would be a terrible idea. And why on earth can't you just buy a pro controller, they're not that expensive. You can pick up a Wii U for $250, its not expensive for a console that just launched a year ago. And I read your description so don't even say it.
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    This is what I really can not understand. The wii U even comes with 1 or more games, something both ps4 and xbxo1 doesn't have for their cheapest version. Also the online is free compared to the 50/60 bucks a year you need for ps+ or xbox live gold. Not to mention the sony wants to do more or less like the wii u with a 200 bucks companion device but that all is ok but the wii U is too expensive ...
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    Please bifurcate your install base so you can support MY needs! /s


    I wish Microsoft would release a Kinectless-XboxOne so that I could have a $150 cheaper XboxOne. That doesn't mean Microsoft should do it though. For good or bad Nintendo has bet on a Gamepad console and MS has bet on a Kinect based console. They'd be out of their mind to undercut that bet unless they were in a DIRE situation which neither are.
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    this was a hypothetical idea if EVERY GAME DID WORK WITH THE PRO,I stated it in the description, this was not supposed to be a serious idea since I KNOW not every game works with the pro

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    Obligatory copypasta:

    The Wii U is not expensive; especially considering the GamePad has some really well-implemented technology in it that deserves to be in the market to decrease manufacturing costs. I mean... it streams video and audio with less latency than an HDMI cable can stream to modern TVs. That's brilliant!
    But I also feel that it is a reason why people don't understand the costs of the console/controller. They think the outcome of these costs will show up objectively in the games they play, when they don't in this case.
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    Yeah I need a pro controller only model even though I need the gamepad for my needs, read the description please

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    Doesn't change my point. It's idiotic to bifurcate your user base. Instantly every game has to support 2 controllers adding to dev costs and testing. Woot!

    Bonus question. Can you think of a single console that dramatically shifted it's primary controller type after launch? I'm not talking about supporting different controllers for different games but a flat out change in controller type.
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    Sure , nes and snes were on top but that doesn't mean they weren't bashed in the media.








    Yeah no snes bashing here.
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    but NOT every game works with the pro controller, hypothetical or not. It will never happen because there are already games out that will not work with the procontroller only, so your hypothetical idea can never happen.
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    Would it? Or would it just make it a competitor to PS3 and X360? Part of what makes the Wii U an 8th generation console (besides just chronology) is that it introduced a new control scheme...

    I'm not sure a $200 Wii U without a Gamepad WOULD sell much more than a $300 Wii U with a Gamepad. It might, but I think the potential long term damage (of essentially abandoning a core part of the system, getting rid of the 100% install rate, consumer confusion, etc.) would make any short term potential sales gains moot anyway.
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    lol fix this before the 5 minute edit limit!!
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    I have no limit as a guide

    I posted that to show nintendo got bashed since the beginning they stepped into the gaming industry. The OP suggested that when they were on top nobody bashed them so I just posted a few things that proved the OP wrong.


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    steambox cobtroller, dreamcast controller

    the wiiu tablet

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    I know lol, it's just that the actual image isn't showing up.

    I honestly don't think it would increase sales in a meaningful way, and it really wouldn't do well for Nintendo's consumer image. People are already bashing Wii U for having "seven-year-old hardware"; this would only get worse with a SKU that didn't even have the GamePad.

    Considering the hypothetical situation of the Wii U not requiring the GamePad in the first place... if that were the case I would rather have seen Nintendo still release the Wii U at $350, with stronger hardware instead of a focus on the GamePad, than stick with the current specs and just focus on a lower price point that comes with a Pro Controller.
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    I still don't know why people keep saying that the Gamepad hasn't yet been "fully utilized." What does that even mean? I wonder how many people who say that have played Lego City Undercover? That game used the Gamepad exceptionally well. I was also very impressed with Arkham City's usage.

    I think its fair to say that some games don't fully utilize -- or even use it poorly (Does Mass Effect 3 use it at all?). But to say that games haven't used it well is just wrong.
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    aha it shows up here though... gonna fix it


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    I mean...the gamepad is pretty much a pro controller with a screen.....why is it an issue?

    but to the topic, I don't think it would be a good idea personally. A lot of the functions on the Wii U menu require the Gamepad (ie Eshop, Miiverse) It would be too much of a hassle for Nintendo to tweek the menus for a handful of people who wouldn't want a gamepad (I'm assuming the number of people not wanting a gamepad would be a very small number) But I wouldn't say it's a bad idea, but I just don't think it's a practical idea.
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    OPTIONAL model, people need to understand this, neither of the options would be primary, just equal

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    And you need to understand that we think it is a bad idea, how many times you yell optional or hypothetical we just think it is and will be a bad idea.


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    Also ZombiU.
    and not to mention the off screen play for pretty much all the games...which is awesome
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    games make the system, not hardware, we can take a trip down history for proof

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    REQUIRED... You need to understand that. Hypothetical or not it changes the whole focus of they system and that is NOT a good idea to most of the people here. So you wanted a discussion and there are those who think it is a bad bad idea

    So let's quit beating this dead horse of a topic
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    every system has bashing, the ps4 and x1 are now being bashed for having "no games"

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    and how you play those games make the experience. Remove the control scheme that gives the game's intended experience any you have NOTHING
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    yep and the games make great use of the gamepad so seeing as those games exist it would be a bad idea to remove the gamepad. The gamepad is here to stay.

    You are trying to ignore the games that already make use of the gamepad just for your hypothetical idea.
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    Not as bad as the wii U. With the wii u the whole media was over it, now almost not a peep.
    This has always been the case, when something happens with nintendo the media is all over it spinning it into a bad light, the competition ooh it can happen we ignore it.

    I posted that nintendo was always been bashed since day one. The only reply you made was saying they were on top with the nes and snes, I proved they were bashed at that time as well and now your cop out reaction is this. Please try harder.


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    Some people agree with me, you are just being selfish, I have seen others say they wish there was a pro only model for them, so yes there is an audience for this

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    we understand some people agree with you, so can you understand that some people don't?
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    Yep I am being selfish by saying i think what nintendo does is the best option.

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    I think you have it the other way around. The people that want nintendo to cater to their own personal needs are the selfish ones.


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    Keep telling yourself that because the pro controller is the preferred controller for a lot of people already, its better for serious gameplay like monster hunter or call of duty multiplayer. The gamepad is better for certain games but traditional core games are more comfortable with the pro, IMO and a lot of others

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    and who decides what these core games are .....
    and what are those core games those pro's are most comfortable with
    better question who are those pro's


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    ...the gamepad plays just like the pro controller...just with a screen in it and wider.
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    I don't need a pro only model or want one for me, I am looking out for the others who wish there was a pro only model, I have seen many people who want this, how is this selfish? YOU don't want a pro model for your personal reasons, Nintendo haters seem to bother you

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    That's a backpedal statement. You said Nintendo should have a different SKU without the gamepad. Now you're saying you weren't serious? You tell someone to walk away from the thread, and you keep arguing with people about your op being a good idea. That's alot of posts and rebuttal for you to now say you weren't serious. Just sayin...
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    "wider" also the shape, many people will tell you the pro is better for serious gameplay for the traditional shape

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    lmao, why should I care about nintendo haters, they do not like nintendo and wouldn't buy a nintendo console even if it was the only system out there.

    If people want to play with the procontroller be my guest that option is there for a lot of games, I just think it is a unwise business decision to cut out the gamepad, an idea you do not seem to grasp
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