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Thread: Sony: We cannot ignore the Nintendo Switch

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    Sony: We cannot ignore the Nintendo Switch

    The Nintendo Switch has been a tremendous success so far, becoming Nintendo’s fastest selling system of all time on the back of an incredible lineup of games- but so far, its success has not come at the expense of the PS4. The PS4 has continued to have its best year ever this year, even as the Switch has sold millions and millions of units.

    But it seems like Sony has finally awoken to the threat that the Switch and its success could imply. Speaking to Asia Nikkei, Sony’s Kazuhiko Takeda, Sony’s head of corporate planning, said that the Switch is a factor that they can no longer ignore with regards to their gaming business.

    “At our gaming business, sales of the PlayStation 4 are strong heading into the holidays,” he said. “But we can’t ignore the Nintendo Switch, which has also captured consumers’ attention. Our business model involves selling both the game console and the software for it, so we’re working to get more customers paying continuously for content, for example through paid subscription services.”

    What this mans is unclear- at the very least, it is now apparent that Sony acknowledges the Nintendo Switch as a legitimate competitor in the market, and they will work to counter it. Whether they do it by putting out an equivalent product (unlikely), doubling own on their subscription based services to keep users in their ecosystem (likely), and even extend those services to Nintendo’s base to expand their earnings (hugely unlikely), it is clear the Switch is something they will factor in all their considerations regarding their gaming business going forward.

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    I honestly think they're different markets. I guess the only thing they have to worry about is people who have limited money to spend on gifts and they have to choose one over the other. But I think they're completely different markets within the gaming market, and they don't have anything to worry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodenSaucer View Post
    I honestly think they're different markets. I guess the only thing they have to worry about is people who have limited money to spend on gifts and they have to choose one over the other. But I think they're completely different markets within the gaming market, and they don't have anything to worry about.
    The biggest thing will be Japan. As Switch continues to sell 4x the PS4 there Japanese devs are going to look to Switch as the defacto platform rather then PS4.

    And before anybody give me crap about that I'm not saying that Switch is a PS4 killer or anything. All I'm saying is that it is going to surpass the PS4 in Japan, and the devs will probably follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    The biggest thing will be Japan. As Switch continues to sell 4x the PS4 there Japanese devs are going to look to Switch as the defacto platform rather then PS4.

    And before anybody give me crap about that I'm not saying that Switch is a PS4 killer or anything. All I'm saying is that it is going to surpass the PS4 in Japan, and the devs will probably follow.
    It's a PS4 killer in Japan. Lucky for Sony Japan is a pretty small portion of the global market, and they're still killing the Switch, globally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodenSaucer View Post
    It's a PS4 killer in Japan. Lucky for Sony Japan is a pretty small portion of the global market, and they're still killing the Switch, globally.
    Well not really, PS4 is slaughtering the Switch in Europe. In NA the Switch is usually a head by a small or large margin (depending on the month) but the Switch is demolishing Japan. Worldwide it bounces around depending on the month, but Switch and PS4 have been trading it back and forth.

    And it still isn't necessarily a PS4 killer. IIRC the PS4 is actually up YoY in Japan. Switch is just a console built almost exactly for that market, while PS4 just has games that cater to the market. There was never really a chance that the PS4 would beat Switch in Japan, but it's still doing ok for Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    Well not really, PS4 is slaughtering the Switch in Europe. In NA the Switch is usually a head by a small or large margin (depending on the month) but the Switch is demolishing Japan. Worldwide it bounces around depending on the month, but Switch and PS4 have been trading it back and forth.

    And it still isn't necessarily a PS4 killer. IIRC the PS4 is actually up YoY in Japan. Switch is just a console built almost exactly for that market, while PS4 just has games that cater to the market. There was never really a chance that the PS4 would beat Switch in Japan, but it's still doing ok for Japan.
    They forgot to work on their "western antenna."

    Edit: I just checked out VGChartz. They're way behind back in October, but back then, the Switch handily beat the PS4 for that week. It was before Odyssey came out, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodenSaucer View Post
    They forgot to work on their "western antenna."

    Edit: I just checked out VGChartz. They're way behind back in October, but back then, the Switch handily beat the PS4 for that week. It was before Odyssey came out, too.
    Sure did. I bet the Switch wins the holidays too, but if you go back a week or two you're closer to the launch of FIFA and the PS4 is ahead.

    I think generally the Switch is ahead though.
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    Woohooo Vita 2 baby.

    Maybe we'll see that Switch looking device with detachable controllers thing they patented a while back.

    lol, a person an dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewjcole View Post
    "so we’re working to get more customers paying continuously for content, for example through paid subscription services."

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewjcole View Post
    "so we’re working to get more customers paying continuously for content, for example through paid subscription services."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Praxis View Post
    See the EA model IS still alive and well at Sony!

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    every one is saying the Switch is a success. It has been less than a year. we still have no real developer support for the console. It gets more shovel ware than decent content, and after the launch of Odyssey, what is there? Zenoobalde 2. That is about it. Nothing new, just more ports.

    I do not want to see Nintendo go under but they need more new original content or people will be turned off. I know that after the WII U mess, ll my mates abandoned Nintendo, and I am the only one that has a Switch and I did not even pay for t.

    If the Switch actually attracted the players than gave it up it would be great but it s failing to recapture the old audience. If this console was docked only it would already be dead.

    as good a console as it is with out DEV support it will fail in the end, let us hope it get's what it needs in year 2 of it's life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hbeb9786 View Post
    every one is saying the Switch is a success. It has been less than a year. we still have no real developer support for the console. It gets more shovel ware than decent content, and after the launch of Odyssey, what is there? Zenoobalde 2. That is about it. Nothing new, just more ports.

    I do not want to see Nintendo go under but they need more new original content or people will be turned off. I know that after the WII U mess, ll my mates abandoned Nintendo, and I am the only one that has a Switch and I did not even pay for t.

    If the Switch actually attracted the players than gave it up it would be great but it s failing to recapture the old audience. If this console was docked only it would already be dead.

    as good a console as it is with out DEV support it will fail in the end, let us hope it get's what it needs in year 2 of it's life.
    it doesn't have a lot of support yet because it's new and devs are gunshy after wii u. but for its first year, it's been about as successful as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savinghyrule View Post
    it doesn't have a lot of support yet because it's new and devs are gunshy after wii u. but for its first year, it's been about as successful as possible.
    It's got about 10x or more the support the Wii U had. Bethesda, and even rumored Valve are supporting it, for crying out loud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodenSaucer View Post
    It's got about 10x or more the support the Wii U had. Bethesda, and even rumored Valve are supporting it, for crying out loud.
    Yep. Two more new game rumors for coming to Switch popped up today, the new Scribblenauts and the two Outlast games.

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    No developer support? It's got more games on it than I can possibly play, and that's just Nintendo titles!

    People who need more games...I remember those days.
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    You bet your butt Nintendo is a competitor of Sony, especially a few years from now when the Switch install base is massive. Let’s not forget Nintendo is worth more than Sony by several hundred million dollars. That’s ALL of Sony and their many divisions (video games, movies, appliances, etc.) https://www.cinemablend.com/games/Ni...ony-61509.html

    I believe there are still going to be millions of younger consumers moving from the mobile phone market to the console gaming market, and a few years from now when the Nintendo switch is tens of millions of consoles strong there will be a legitimate dilemma in consumers minds of which console to select. This also makes me think of how brilliant Ninty’s strategy was a few years ago to start doing mobile games and start winning consumers in that market that will eventually move to consoles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cThreep View Post
    You bet your butt Nintendo is a competitor of Sony, especially a few years from now when the Switch install base is massive. Let’s not forget Nintendo is worth more than Sony by several hundred million dollars. That’s ALL of Sony and their many divisions (video games, movies, appliances, etc.) https://www.cinemablend.com/games/Ni...ony-61509.html

    I believe there are still going to be millions of younger consumers moving from the mobile phone market to the console gaming market, and a few years from now when the Nintendo switch is tens of millions of consoles strong there will be a legitimate dilemma in consumers minds of which console to select. This also makes me think of how brilliant Ninty’s strategy was a few years ago to start doing mobile games and start winning consumers in that market that will eventually move to consoles.
    Goodness me.
    That figure is market capitalization, not net worth. And it's 3 years old.
    Market capitalization is the value of all currently held public stock. You'll also note from Nintendo's price history that that figure held true for about 3 months.
    Nintendo's current market cap is 49 billion yen, compared to Sony's 48.5 billion yen. Which comes off of 2 years of Sony restructuring, closing divisions, and spinning PS off from the main body.
    A more interesting and relevant metric would be net income; Sony's net income for 2017 (so far) is 658 million USD compared to Nintendo's 968 million USD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpd01 View Post
    Goodness me.
    That figure is market capitalization, not net worth. And it's 3 years old.
    Market capitalization is the value of all currently held public stock. You'll also note from Nintendo's price history that that figure held true for about 3 months.
    Nintendo's current market cap is 49 billion yen, compared to Sony's 48.5 billion yen. Which comes off of 2 years of Sony restructuring, closing divisions, and spinning PS off from the main body.
    A more interesting and relevant metric would be net income; Sony's net income for 2017 (so far) is 658 million USD compared to Nintendo's 968 million USD.
    My bad, there are more recent articles I read talking about this and I was just about to say it without citing a source, but not using sources is lame, so I quickly googled it and grabbed a random article that I obviously didn’t proof read very well. But nice to know my point is even further proven by what you stated about net income. That’s what I was hastily grabbing a source for. If only you had included a source yourself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cThreep View Post
    My bad, there are more recent articles I read talking about this and I was just about to say it without citing a source, but not using sources is lame, so I quickly googled it and grabbed a random article that I obviously didn’t proof read very well. But nice to know my point is even further proven by what you stated about net income. That’s what I was hastily grabbing a source for. If only you had included a source yourself...
    I looked up both their recent financial reports and used statista to track their reported earnings.

    https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/er.html

    https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/annual1703e.pdf

    https://www.statista.com/

    Cinema blend might be an admirable site for movie trailers and puff pieces but anything else i wouldn't be too interested in their opinion or journalism.

    Nintendo's full 2017 financial report in march should be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpd01 View Post
    I looked up both their recent financial reports and used statista to track their reported earnings.

    https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/er.html

    https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/annual1703e.pdf

    https://www.statista.com/

    Cinema blend might be an admirable site for movie trailers and puff pieces but anything else i wouldn't be too interested in their opinion or journalism.

    Nintendo's full 2017 financial report in march should be interesting.
    You’re a gentleman and a scholar. Next time I won’t post sources while I’m trying to spoon feed green been mush to my 8 month old haha, I’ll just holler out to jpd
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    You’re a gentleman and a scholar. Next time I won’t post sources while I’m trying to spoon feed green been mush my 8 month old haha, I’ll just holler out to jpd
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    Hard to multi-task with one hand.

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    That’s actually a great game idea for my kids, I bet my 4 year old would have fun with the simplicity of pinball.

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    every one is saying the Switch is a success. It has been less than a year. we still have no real developer support for the console. It gets more shovel ware than decent content, and after the launch of Odyssey, what is there? Zenoobalde 2. That is about it. Nothing new, just more ports.

    I do not want to see Nintendo go under but they need more new original content or people will be turned off. I know that after the WII U mess, ll my mates abandoned Nintendo, and I am the only one that has a Switch and I did not even pay for t.

    If the Switch actually attracted the players than gave it up it would be great but it s failing to recapture the old audience. If this console was docked only it would already be dead.

    as good a console as it is with out DEV support it will fail in the end, let us hope it get's what it needs in year 2 of it's life.
    Or you just don't like saying nice things about Nintendo:shurg:
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    It's got about 10x or more the support the Wii U had. Bethesda, and even rumored Valve are supporting it, for crying out loud.
    Not rumored. It was an announcement I believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by hbeb9786 View Post
    every one is saying the Switch is a success. It has been less than a year. we still have no real developer support for the console. It gets more shovel ware than decent content, and after the launch of Odyssey, what is there? Zenoobalde 2. That is about it. Nothing new, just more ports.

    I do not want to see Nintendo go under but they need more new original content or people will be turned off. I know that after the WII U mess, ll my mates abandoned Nintendo, and I am the only one that has a Switch and I did not even pay for t.

    If the Switch actually attracted the players than gave it up it would be great but it s failing to recapture the old audience. If this console was docked only it would already be dead.

    as good a console as it is with out DEV support it will fail in the end, let us hope it get's what it needs in year 2 of it's life.
    Not a huge surprise, but I largely agree with you, and it’s not a Team Salt thing either.

    Somewhere I disagree is about the shovelware aspect, but that just could be semantics. 1,2 Switch is a first party title but is garbage. Meanwhile Snakepass or whatever looks neat, but not worth buying a $300+ console for.

    Original content is where I agree fully. I understand the folks who defend WiiU ports, or Sony ports or whatever, but that’s coasting, especially if those games came out earlier on other platforms and cost less. Boiled down though I’d say the Switch needs unique games that have their own console identity and new ideas.

    This is hindsight, but it was easy to tell what say a Genesis or SNES game was at a glance, at least it was for me. Neither system was better, they basically did the same thing in different ways. They actually had a console identity. Maybe it’s too early to expect that from Switch, but as you know the WiiU didn’t have a distinct draw either and I think that hurt it. It could be said the main draw is the portable aspect, but in a time where handhelds and mobile gaming are common, I don’t know if that really impresses anymore.

    Right now the only distinctly “Switch-esque” titles are ARMS, which looks okay but not great, SMO, which I consider fluff but that’s a minority opinion, and now XBC2, which is a sequel to an obscure JRPG which was released late in the Wii lifecycle.

    The Switch turns 1 year in March I believe. But the above isn’t especially impressive. I’d like to see Nintendo try a little harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drew79 View Post
    Not a huge surprise, but I largely agree with you, and it’s not a Team Salt thing either.

    Somewhere I disagree is about the shovelware aspect, but that just could be semantics. 1,2 Switch is a first party title but is garbage. Meanwhile Snakepass or whatever looks neat, but not worth buying a $300+ console for.

    Original content is where I agree fully. I understand the folks who defend WiiU ports, or Sony ports or whatever, but that’s coasting, especially if those games came out earlier on other platforms and cost less. Boiled down though I’d say the Switch needs unique games that have their own console identity and new ideas.

    This is hindsight, but it was easy to tell what say a Genesis or SNES game was at a glance, at least it was for me. Neither system was better, they basically did the same thing in different ways. They actually had a console identity. Maybe it’s too early to expect that from Switch, but as you know the WiiU didn’t have a distinct draw either and I think that hurt it. It could be said the main draw is the portable aspect, but in a time where handhelds and mobile gaming are common, I don’t know if that really impresses anymore.

    Right now the only distinctly “Switch-esque” titles are ARMS, which looks okay but not great, SMO, which I consider fluff but that’s a minority opinion, and now XBC2, which is a sequel to an obscure JRPG which was released late in the Wii lifecycle.

    The Switch turns 1 year in March I believe. But the above isn’t especially impressive. I’d like to see Nintendo try a little harder.
    Strange as this sounds, I agree. Nintendo is doing respectably well enough now, but then again I remember feeling that way after E3 2014, and look what happened the next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aMarioFan64 View Post
    Strange as this sounds, I agree. Nintendo is doing respectably well enough now, but then again I remember feeling that way after E3 2014, and look what happened the next year.
    That was a lot different. By E3 2014, the Wii U had already long bottomed out. Most of us just weren't jaded enough yet to give up hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodenSaucer View Post
    That was a lot different. By E3 2014, the Wii U had already long bottomed out. Most of us just weren't jaded enough yet to give up hope.
    Plus we already know there's good stuff on the horizon.

    Also what are you guys talking about? E3 2014 for Nintendo was frekin amazing. That's where they unveild BotW, Smash 4 with the Reggie vs. Iwata skit, Captain Toad, amiibo, Pokémon OR and AS, the first real Bayonetta 2 trailer, Mario Maker,Star Fox Zero, and Splatoon. They showed a new XCX trailer, showed more Yoshi, and revealed Kirby and the Rainbow Curse. All with the robot chicken animation in between.

    2015 is the crappy one you're thinking of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    Plus we already know there's good stuff on the horizon.

    Also what are you guys talking about? E3 2014 for Nintendo was frekin amazing. That's where they unveild BotW, Smash 4 with the Reggie vs. Iwata skit, Captain Toad, amiibo, Pokémon OR and AS, the first real Bayonetta 2 trailer, Mario Maker,Star Fox Zero, and Splatoon. They showed a new XCX trailer, showed more Yoshi, and revealed Kirby and the Rainbow Curse. All with the robot chicken animation in between.

    2015 is the crappy one you're thinking of.
    Yeah, that's what he said. He was saying that 2014 got us excited, only to majorly be let down in 2015.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodenSaucer View Post
    Yeah, that's what he said. He was saying that 2014 got us excited, only to majorly be let down in 2015.
    Oops. You right. I misread that.
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    Oops. You right. I misread that.
    I wasn’t referring to ANY E3, nor the WiiU exactly. I just think the Switch has very few titles that are unquestionably Switch titles. Nothing really stands out unless you count SMO.
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