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Thread: Nintendo investors SHOCKED by this news! (click now to find out why)

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    Wink Nintendo investors SHOCKED by this news! (click now to find out why)



    Seriously, I do have news though. But I couldn't resist with recent accusations of 'Clickbait' titles going around.








    Interesting article, I wonder if Nintendo will consider charging for their 'next-gen' NX online service?
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    The reports of Sony's death are greatly exaggerated.


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    In all seriousness, let's see how many of the same people people really think Sony is in a bad position because PlayStation is keeping them afloat while they lose money in other ventures while also thinking that Nintendo is fine because money in the bank, not revenue, is keeping them afloat.
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    I would be really surprised if the NX doesn't have some sort of online subscription like PS+ or Xbox Live. I imagine that Nintendo's shareholders see profits like this and really push Kimishima and the board of directors to start charging for online play.

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    I'm not saying it's fine for Nintendo to live off of savings, but it's true that the PS and movies are the only things keeping Sony afloat.
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    neither is particularly good

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    True. But Nintendo's is quite a bit worse...

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    I think you'd have to do a serious analysis of just how much money Sony's other divisions are losing to really determine how much worse. In terms of reputation, Nintendo is in the Crapper whereas Sony is the gaming golden child so in that sense they're in a much worse situation. Do you have access to Sony's financial reports to quantify that because I don't have an intuitive sense of it

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    That isn't really all that surprising, people are spending a lot of money on there and they have a lot of content to sell plus the online subscription vs the nothing Nintendo released last year.

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    Nope. But Nintendo's profits are sinking, and the NX will miss the holiday season by a few months. I think they're going to have a rough patch unless a U price drop nets them a lot of software sales.

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    I always found it funny that when Nintendo actually made profit for a bit(till recently), it was downplayed and viewed a bad thing. Now their profits are down due to them not putting really anything out(their fault), its bad again(obviously)

    this is why the notion of ''nintendo damned if they do,damned if they dont'' sticks around so much lol
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    I don't know how accurate these numbers are for a couple of reasons. 529.1 billion yen works out to be about 4.62 billion american dollars. there are let's say 40 million Playstation 4 consoles in circulation. If every one of them has a $50 year subscription, which I assure you they do not. That only works out to be 2 Billion american. Every Playstation would have to have almost 3 yearly subscriptions to make up these numbers. Now I know it's more expensive to do it monthly but something here isn't adding up for me.

    I'm sure that developers don't give them the ability to sell their games for free either. I'm sure Sony has to give them some kind of contribution for letting them give away their game to people so it's not like these numbers (if true) are pure profit.
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    This is true. They're going into a ten month period with only two Wii U game releases but there's probably decent 3DS release that will lessen the blow. I honestly don't have high hopes for NX with the way Nintendo has been conducting itself. Maybe the new CEO will shake things up but that remains to be seen

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    How much did Sony have to spend though??

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    thing is either way,sony on their death bed or nintendo doomed or whatever someone wants to say. Sony built up their PSN properly with subscription base + incentives

    if nintendo built something like paid subscription with NX + incentives like all their past home console games,even wii u and what not and build their online network like sony has done, they could make the same,if not more money than sony in that department(nintendo fans spend a lot)
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    People who were "dooming" them before were just hating, pure and simple. The situation is worse now, but it's nothing that they can't recover from.

    Their big problem is that 3DS isn't making them as much money as it did, not even that long ago. Which is why that'll be replaced soon too, either as part of NX, or something separate. I can't say I have high hopes for NX, but I do think it will probably turn their fortunes around. I don't even think these delays and stuff are a bad thing. Who would have thought that not going toe-to-toe with Sony and Microsoft at E3 may actually indicate that Nintendo is setting about competing with them again? Weird. Kimishima's a businessman first, and I think things we're seeing show that...

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    i still dont see it as the situation even being worse now. Now if NX releases and then it does badly,only then can i say things are completely bad
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    Not entirely. I remember agreeing with a lot of jman's posts about the trajectory that Nintendo's decisions were putting them on. He was stating in 2014 that there was no way the Wii U would recover based on units already sold, forcing Gamepad gimmick, and not believing that Smash/Zelda would magically move millions of units. He was right about all of this and just labeled a hater which I consider unfair, especially since everything he said would happen did happen.

    It's not entirely ridiculous to not have faith in Nintendo at this point either. From certain perspectives they've been dropping the ball for a decade now. Some people really were turned off by the Wii and I think that's fair. I won't name names, but someone on here was trashing the "hardcore" for not wanting to look silly using Wiimotes but then said "I don't want to look like a McDonalds employee with a headset on for voice chat." What? Insecurities and hypocrisies aside, it's totally fair to look at Nintendo in a different light. Like I said in another thread, Nintendo has to not only work on proving their competence to non-fans and casuals, but as far as I'm concerned they also have to prove to me, the loyal fan, that they're getting their shit together and that they're not going to give me half-ass excuses like "Oh, I know it's 2016 but we're still learning how to make HD games despite it being an industry standard for a decade."
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    I concur for the most part, but some people just take their stances with huge overreactions and too many ''what ifs'' and base that on deeming Nintendo a failure before they even start something lol
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    I agree that knee jerk reactions are stupid. Is it too soon to assume the NX will fail? Absolutely. Is it too soon to start theorizing what will happen if Nintendo has a repeat of the Wii U? I don't think so because it's always good to plan ahead.

    Plus, it's not like we have anything else to talk about since Tokyo Mirage Sessions is the only other Wii U game confirmed for this year. (Unless Paper Mario is, I'm not sure)
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    so whoever it was that said mainly playstation and movies were the things keeping sony afloat right now, seems to be true, 5 of 8 divisions lost money
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    This is why I often say one or two successful products doesnt mean jack squat when the majoirty of your devisions are bleeding you money, I have always been on the notion that Sony is leaning heavily on Playstation to prop up the rest of their struggling products. I find it somewhat suspicious that the Sony CEO isnt even sure if there will be a PS5

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    Well trolled, OP. You got me.

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    That's fair enough. Nintendo has a lot to prove to a great many people these days. So long as they keep pumping out the high quality 1st party games I want to play and have reasonable 3rd parties on board I'll be happy. I'll probably end up being an early adopter because I like shiny new tech. Maybe I'm gullible that way but anyway that's what they have to do to keep me happy with my purchase. I have to st I feel I've got my money's worth on the Wii U because I've had some great experiences on there

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    Well to be fair they arent close to their death bed or anything like that,but if playstation starts to slump or do bad, they then would be in trouble as that seems to be their main money getter at this point in time
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    That worked out wonderfully.
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    It's a shame they had to shut down their operations in Kumamoto for an extended period last year due to the earthquake. Their Devices and components division had a very bright outlook in last year's report.

    Their camera and visual department did take a hit due to declining interest in a wider range of products but certain models and types saw in large increases in sales so it may be pruned back to offer a smaller range or products that have higher demand rather than the larger range of products that fell flat.

    Their mobile range is in the toilet and I'd expect them to either jettison it or specialize it within the next year. Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't done so before now as they did with their PC business.

    Publishing costs through EMI for their music division went down considerably towards the end of last year so it looks like they will have a more trimmed efficient division following on to next year. Growth could be better, though.

    Tv's and home entertainment was pretty crappy overall. Seems it wasn't a good idea to let all those senior engineers go and allow Samsung to poach them a decade ago huh. Also, the rise of cheaper Chinese and Taiwanese brands and models hasn't helped that industry in general. Plus brand recognition and trust outside of Japan in Sony products for home entertainment has eroded significantly over the last decade.

    Overall, I'd expect more pruning and streamlining of divisions over the next couple of years as the company has been doing for the last few years. Things are on track according to the plan that was brought in a few years ago to make the company more efficient and productive. Although I'd expect them to either get rid of their phone division or radically change their product lineup in the next year or two. Home entertainment is a tricky one,though as I don't know if that division is too ingrained in their identity to let it go. Maybe they can shake it up and revitalize it, but I don't know if it's necessarily a fool's errand considering the market is a little saturated and undecut considering they aren't able to capitalize on their branding the way they used to in the past.
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    There won't be a ps5. It'll be the new ps one... oh wait xbox already went there

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