Remember Dreamfall Chapters? It started as a Kickstarter that was successfully funded after promising to look into a Wii U version. Now it seems that isn’t going to happen and all mention of any Wii U version of the game has been scrubbed from the Kickstarter. Nintendo personally approached the team about bringing a port of the game to the Wii U, but now it looks like the game will be a PS4 exclusive on consoles, according to the latest tweet from Red Thread Games. #Dreamfall #Chapters confirmed as a #PS4 console exclusive! More soon! — Red Thread Games (@RedThreadGames) August 12, 2014 The game is still going to be available on PC, Mac, and Linux in addition to the console release, but for fans on the Wii U who were looking forward to this game, it’s probably not coming anymore if the deal secured with Sony is not a timed exclusive. According to the game’s Wikipedia page, the team always considered the Wii U port that Nintendo asked to see on their system as “secondary” to working on the PC version and now apparently, the PlayStation 4 version. Either way, this is another blow to Nintendo’s catalogue as Dramfall: The Longest Journey was one of the best adventure games released in the early 2000s. Are you upset at this news at all? Let us know in the comments. local_offer dreamfall chapters Nintendo red thread games wii u stars Further Reading Nintendo will not have an E3 press conference Nintendo profits are up 520% Breath of the Wild sells 3.8 million units Is Nintendo shafting Axiom Verge because of Dan Adelman? Nintendo doesn't need 3rd parties, says Stardock CEO Earthlock backers will get Switch version if it ever happens Yoshifan3 i guess ill just have to get it on my ps4. Ducked Seems like a real douche of a move to me. Although I can live without another indie. I only feel bad for the Wii U owners that funded this game. Yoshifan3 yea money hatting doesnt do any console owner favors. it sucks, but i would think this is almost borderline illegal to do this, is there some way this could be considered illegal? Ducked I don’t know, it could be. It definitely should. It’s deceiving, and misleading. They should give the Wii U owners their money back. Timothy Mercier agreed, this is bull iamserious I believe there is legal action that can be taken upon Kickstarter and Red Thread Games (if that’s the company who started this). If the Wii U owners helped fund this project and a Wii U version was promised but the kickstarter project fails to deliver then they need to refund all funds to the backers of the unsupported systems. If they do not, a legal suit may be claimed. Daniel Gonzalez Legal action does sound like the right move, but may not be worth it pertaining to legal fees and such. Whatever happens, good luck to the backers. Mark LaVerne No. When you back a project, the creators can do whatever they want with the money. It may sound weird, but that’s how Kickstarter works. And every backer agrees to – in a legally binding contract – this when they donate. iamserious I don’t think that is true. I am not a backer myself but if I was I would definitely look into the terms and agreements of being a backer on kickstarter. Just read the terms on the website and I am right. It is in there: Kickstarter does not offer refunds. A Project Creator is not required to grant a Backer’s request for a refund unless the Project Creator is unable or unwilling to fulfill the reward. Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. Project Creators may cancel or refund a Backer’s pledge at any time and for any reason, and if they do so, are not required to fulfill the reward. Mark LaVerne No, absolutely not. You see, Kickstarter works like this: * The creator doesn’t have to deliver anything at all. The backers only pitch in so that the creator can try to do a certain project. The creator can do whatever he or she pleases with the money. People back projects in good faith, giving the creator a carte blanche. * Crowd funding is not an investement. As a backer, you are not entitled to anything, least of all a stretch goal. But most times you get something that resembles what you hoped for. And that’s okay for most backers, because it’s an opportunity to see something insane being brought to life. Every backer should know this. It’s pretty hard to miss if you read the basic FAQs: https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter%20basics As a backer, you are not entitled to anything, least of all a stretch goal. And if you don’t read it, but still throw money at something which seems like a neat idea – to then discover that the creator can’t or won’t fulfill his/her original vision – too bad. This give creators creative freedom, making them able to do something that really shakes things up. Like the Oculus Rift. And sometimes, it results in something truly incredible: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad Yoshifan3 well thats too bad. its pretty sad that people can get away with crap like that, and kickstarter allows the scammers to get away clean. they should change the rules up a bit. iamserious Or scam people. According to what you are saying. Guest that’s not true there where a few times the backers got there money back because the creator failed to deliver Mark LaVerne Point is – and I should have made that clear – that as long as the creator can prove that they have made an effort to finish the failed project – they are home free. And how do you define “making an effort”? Now, you’re partially right; the creator has to fulfill all rewards – but, say in quality, there are no ways of holding them accountable. Some creators are decent people and do just that. But until the Washington vs. Altilus case reaches a verdict, there’s really no precedence. On another noe: a million things can go wrong in developement. There have been examples of creatives demaning payment up front from creators, then to leave for another job. Result is that the creator can never fulfill his/her project. Should a creator then be accountable? Should backers then get a refund? Wouldn’t that ruin the creator – all because of something beyond their control? I personally hope that the Washington/Altilus suit gets dropped. Otherwise it could mean that creators never get the chance to try something amazing and fail in the process. James Ese What is the Washington Vs. Altilus case? Madyogaboy Yogadude Not illegal at all I’m afraid. Kickstarter funding is not regulated in any way at all. I could say “Money needed for A” then change my mind, there is nothing u can do about i. Giving money to kickstarter is never guaranteed. matthew garcia I heard of this game, was it any good? Ducked I have no idea, it looks interesting. matthew garcia If i remember right I heard positive things on the game I just know nothing about it Ben English It’s not out yet… matthew garcia I thought this was on pc a long time ago Ben English It’s a sequel to the series that began with “The Longest Journey” and “Dreamfall”. Chapters is the third game in the series. matthew garcia Oh ok my bad. Richard I didn’t back this title so I could be wrong but just a quick look at their FAQ reveals that the Kickstarter version was for PC/MAC/Linux only. Console versions were not rewards at all, so the title of this article is a bit misleading. Wayne Beck They never promised a console version, they simply told everyone they would consider making one to get them to fund the game. Not illegal, just dirty. greengecko007 They had already received over $1.2 million of their $850K goal, i.e. the game was already successfully funded when they announced they were looking into console ports but couldn’t promise anything. http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/6/4070418/dreamfall-chapters-could-come-to-wii-u-ps4-and-upcoming-next-gen darkcreap Wait, what was exactly that they promised? Did they promise to bring it to WiiU or that they might think about it? If they founded their campaign saying that WiiU was included independently of any stretch goals, then it is not good. I mean, if you say “80K strech goal for WiiU” and you get only 70K, then it is OK, but if not, it is not right. Surely some WiiU owners could have participated in that Kickstarter. Elvis Michael Yawn…….yet more news related to “No Wii U Release.” This is seriously getting depressing. jhell i was going to get the wii u version to fucking great Ultrasyd If some of you gave money to them, while they were promising a Wii U version, then it’s not cool. We all remember the case of Oculus Rift bought by Facebook, and people being upset (without much reasons, just my opinion). In this case, it’s different and worse if they said they would do it. It’s not like they gave a strectch goal for Wii U. Or did they just say “we might have a look at a Wii U version” ? Rinslowe Looks to be pretty sparse on details either way… Petri They fucked over PC and Xbox backers. I am just a Nintendo fanboy, but moves like this, was it towards any platform, earns the developer my “stay a fuck away from these guys”.status. Unless there is a huge refunding operation, and they explain believably, actually good reason, why they had to do this, they are going to keep that status from here to afterlife. David Plugge Lets be honest the WiiU has some excelent nintendo games but if you want to play more then just nintendo games you will either have a pc or a ps4 besides it or maybe a xbox one because of the multiplat and indy games. koopapoopas Nintendo is at least unique. The other 3 platforms are always lumped into one. I don’t know if the world will be a better place if the Wii U becomes another Playstation clone like the Xbox. Ace J if wii u did become a clone like the ps4 and xbox one, the wii u would be the best console HANDS DOWN, without a doubt. think about it, zelda, smash bros, X, far cry 4, evolve, and destiny (just to name a few games) all on ONE console……..*sigh* a guy can only dream of a console that good. Rinslowe Variety is a good thing. But realistically, even though most multiplats are being made with PC/PS4 and Xbox One in mind. That doesn’t automatically mean they lack unique aspects. In any case it’s the games that really define and validate having multiple platforms to begin with through exclusives. In that, every platform is worth buying into at some point. Lil J Moore So do the people who supported this get their money back? The WiiU supporters? StigtriX They promised nothing. Petri Not really interested in this game. Though I think it was never initially planned or promised for Wii U during kickstarter, devs just were “considering” it. But sucks for the Xbox and PC gamers that did fund the game. And yet another reason why I don’t do kickstarters. StigtriX You are right, they only considered it. Sony paid for the title to be “console exclusive”. matthew garcia Sony is broke and Nintendo has billions. Nintendo could have easily forked out more money but they chose not to. In my opinion Nintendo needs to start spending more money to hopefully make more money. It’s a risky move sometimes but necessary at the same time Petri Sure, they should, but not this game. I love how they resurrected Bayonetta and Devil’s Third. They should do more things like that. There are countless of games with their own fanbases. And true fan would praise Nintendo for resurrecting their favorite game. And maybe have some third party developers to make completely new IP’s for them. But this generation caught Nintendo pants down, remains to be seen how they play the rest of the generation. Though I dont think Sony even had to pay that much for this game. Most probably devs just sold out to the first bidder. matthew garcia Your right, Sony probably didn’t have to spend much on the game but Nintendo has the money to bring games like eternal darkness back, fzero, 3d donkey Kong, and then go to capcom and buy the rights to, monster hunter, mega man. Maybe even redo a okami or something. Also would be huge for Nintendo if they could get resident evil, or devil may cry exclusive also. Petri I would like them to resurrect Valkyrie Chronicles. For Wii U. Hated that it went over to PSP, just when I gave up mine. Though that game would probably get me to buy 3DS as well, currently on the edge about it. matthew garcia Yeah man valkyrie chronicles was great. I think a console final fantasy tactics would be very badass with the Wii u controller. Nintendo does need to spend money on this kind of stuff in my opinion greengecko007 Valkyria Chronicles is a great Sega IP. I’d much rather see that series on the Wii U than more mediocre Sonic games, but Sega seems content with making sure their mascot dies with no dignity left. Petri Proper Phantasy Star would be nice as well. greengecko007 Yes! Really, Sega has a lot of good IPs I’d like to see on the Wii U. Especially if they are going to be buddy-buddy with Nintendo. Arthur Jarret So, wait – Sony is almost broke and throw money around on exclusives. Nintendo doesn’t do this and has lots of money… and you suggest Nintendo should follow Sonys example? If I had the choice on how to handle my finances, I’d choose the Nintendo way where I keep lots of money and not be broke. Rinslowe Haha… Exactly. Although spending a bit to make more is sometimes a necessary risk. With Nintendo’s current predicament, I’d say more third party exclusives would be most welcome. But, that’s not to say they should run out and buy up every lost puppy on the market. Has to be carefully considered in regard to the audience. Nintendo seems to be approaching this adequately in the mid term. I’m sure there’ll be other titles show up by E3 next year as well… If Bayo 2 sells well enough it would be great to see a third before Wii U retires. StigtriX “Dreamfall Chapters: The Longest Journey will be coming to Wii U, Red Thread Games confirmed to Edge. The game was a resounding success on Kickstarter, hauling in over $1.5 million in March 2013. While the crowdfunding project didn’t have a stretch goal related to Wii U development, Creative Director Ragnar Tornquist said Nintendo approached the developer in late autumn last year about porting the game to Wii U, and were the first console holder to do so. “At that point, however, we weren’t ready to make any commitments regarding engine and platforms, so we decided to wait,” Tornquist said. “We got back in touch with Nintendo in late May of this year, and they were very interested in working with us.” Red Thread Games hasn’t indicated when Dreamfall Chapters will come to Wii U, but it is slated to launch on PC, Mac and Linux in November 2014.” – Mike Suszek, joystiq _____________________________ There is nothing to be mad about. They promised nothing… PS4 has the biggest install base and I bet Sony paid good money for the title to be exclusive too. This makes sense. Daniel Carvalho Of course we are! It’s one more game that we won’t see on Wii U even though Nintendo called them out personally to ask for the title on their console! And now it’s a PS4 exclusive?! Let’s just forget the fact that we’re talking about a specific console here and focus on the investment part: people who invested their money on that project were investing no something they believed, which involved bringing the game to Wii U as well. The game isn’t coming to the console now, not because it failed to reach the goal intended, but for a completely different reason, out of control from those who put their moneys on that thing! It’s the same as buying a candy on a store and when you open the package you see a lettuce! They gave you something different from promised, and that usually classifies as fraud! Joe I avoid kick starters for this reason I can’t justify paying when der is a chance that it won’t be made if the goal isn’t reached or in a case such as this. Nintenjoe82 This is what would have happened to anyone that donated to Shadows of the Eternals TrueWiiMaster It seems kinda scammy. They promised to look into the Wii U, and now they’re specifically excluding it. While I understand that they never promised to release the game on the Wii U, they at least implied that they would try, and now they’re skipping it altogether. Hikingguy This is a bummer. This game has always intrested me and I have wanted to play it, but I don’t play too many games on the PC. I would have bought it for the Wii U. greengecko007 Seems like a lot of people are missing this part of the article… “the game will be a PS4 exclusive on consoles” The game is still going to be available for PC, which is were priority in development was all along. The developers stated that console ports to PS4, Xbox One, and Wii U were considered. There doesn’t seem to be anything sketchy going on. People that funded the game on the hope that the developers would port it to Xbox One of Wii U are not entitled to getting a refund. These likely very few people should just not blindly throw money at things. A – Kuma interesting that you find a false promise to be fair. are you by chance a fan of Phil Fish??? greengecko007 Interesting that you find the word “consider” to be synonymous with “promise”. Are you by chance not a native English speaker? A – Kuma the implications were pretty heavy, even you should have been able to recognize that. Rinslowe I think it’s fair that as gecko pointed out, people should be more concious of the type of things they support. Especially when it comes to giving money to a cause. And due diligence is another thing. Know what you’re supporting as much as possible before “choosing” to throw money at something… With very little exact details it assumes a lot that people are automatically entitled, when they may not be. If it was promised a Wii U version would exist then, the studio has mislead and backtracked on their promise. Otherwise it seems it’s not so straight forward, as even being ethically dubious it may not ensure legal rights to those paying. According to the conditions. Again, due diligence. greengecko007 I’m sorry, but I don’t see the implications. Nintendo approached Red Thread Games and talked about getting a Wii U version. Nintendo gave Red Tread Games a dev kit some time later, and they seemed to discuss things with Nintendo. However, they also admitted that getting the game on the Wii U was not a priority, and that they would make no promises. To my knowledge versions for consoles were never stretch goals in the kickstarter. The funding was clearly for what Red Thread Games was calling their primary project, which was developing the game for PC, with a stretch goal for mobile platforms (which they did not reach). People that backed the game wanting a Wii U or Xbox One version (assuming there even are people that did that) simply threw their money without thinking. The fact that it’s even coming to the PS4 is a surprise. Nathan C. Another third-party developer ditches the Wii U. What else is new? Milky Bacons Meh… I still love Nintendo and Indie. Shovel knight and Zelda U FTW! (Don’t forget Cave Story [Indie], MK8, LoZ WW… and everything else Nintendo) AM Real This could be a ramification of Nintendo’s top indie manager leaving the company ScrewAttack Pretty shitty thing to do. I hope that Indies that play the third party game fail. bardicverse I’ll play the game when its available on Bit Torrent. =P Daniel Gonzalez If Wii U was only secondary, then it comes as no surprise.They should at least refund the money to those who were going to get it for Wii U, but unlikely. Ben English Not as much as a dick move as MS buying Tomb Raider exclusivity but still disheartening. PS4WiiURocks Then i’ll pass on this game A – Kuma I think it was intentionaly bait. “hey guys, we’re making a pretty cool game for the wii u since it would benefit from it, need more games to play right?” then fooled the nintendo fans into donating to them followed by “nah, just kidding. thanks for the money though!”. shit like this is why i’ll never support anything on kickstarter, too many stories have made me lose my trust in even thinking about it at this point. Arthur Jarret Adventure games are better on a PC anyway. It’s where I got the Longest journey & it’s sequel. Wii remote makes a good control method too, but not in many wii games – it worked fine in ScummVM, though. I imagine if it came on Wii U, the controls might be ‘consolified’ to achieve parity with xbox and playstation – and if customized for Wii U would only include touch screen controls – which is a waste of my amazing screen. Ben English I tweeted them about it and they said that it’s time exclusive–the game might come to XBO and Wii U later. CiofiPlay They never promised a wiiu version when they had the kickstarter thing.this is idiotic. Ctoan This sadly doesn’t surprise me considering how nintendo are such wimps when it comes to this stuff. Nintendo really needs to man up and get that third party support. Pay them to port to your console if you need to just stop letting sony,ea, and microsoft walk all over you. I’m sorry if this is too harsh but I am so pissed off because I paid nearly $400 for this console and I am considering trading it in for a 360 because of how much fucking potential this system just wastes. jlahoud Another stupid EA and Ubisoft style studio …..that cancel games from Wii U to complain tthat the wii u is not selling…..what a bunch of idiots…Nintendo does not need them Rinslowe “Remember Dreamfall Chapters?” Nope. Logan Waltz Sorry to any wiiu owners that helped us make this game, they can’t play it. iamserious Do posts get deleted on here??? leo bel THEY ALL GONNA REGREAT THOSES DIRTY MOVES WHEN THE WII U GETS ON TOP THE SALES CHARTS. Epicstuf Great thinking, man. nintedosucks22 the Wii U is dead uPadWatcher REALITY CHECK– The Wii is here to stay and starting next month, the mood is about to change… starting with Hyrule Warriors and Bayonetta 2. Just you wait until next year. #TheTimeIsNow Epicstuf How funny. Galexian Sure hope the Wii U isn’t dead. While I’m not that big of a fan of the Wii U I hope Nintendo keeps doing what it’s doing (making new consoles/ trying new ideas). I just hope people will be able to show Nintendo gameplay on YouTube again. Lucas I went through the twitter account and it seems they backed away from the Wii U for now do to the hardware limitations. They say they are a small team and want to focus on the console that will be the easiest to make games on since they are funding the first console version themselves. They should have made this all in one statement. I do give them respect for addressing all the fans concerns immediately after the announcement for PS4. If only every company could be that honest and transparent with its fans… Lucas Wii U daily, stop being shitty about this. Your console wasn’t giving them the power needed to make this game. Thats why they have gone to the PS4 now. They said they are coming back to Wii U though down the road. I think you should rewrite this article to where you don’t look so butt hurt. I own a Wii U and enjoy it, But I also own Xbox One, and PS4. I know alot of PC gamers that own a Wii U for their console. They can buy it on PC and help support the development for the Wii U version. uPadWatcher THIS JUST IN– Dreamfall Chapters is now a TIMED exclusive for PS4! So that means this game will be available FIRST on PS4 while the development team are open for ports. Let’s hope it’s for both Wii U and PC. Jon Turner UPDATE: Now the folks behind DREAMFALL CHAPTERS are saying that this is a TIMED exclusive! It COULD come to WiiU after all. Proof? http://www.gonintendo.com/s/235256-dreamfall-chapters-a-timed-exclusive-on-ps4-can-come-to-other-platforms-later TalesOfBS http://www.edge-online.com/features/indies-on-wii-u-why-working-with-nintendo-is-easier-than-you-think/ https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/redthread/dreamfall-chapters-the-longest-journey And what about consoles? Not for the time being. Unless you consider one of the above platforms to be a ‘console’, because Things Are Changing. We’d love to be on (the next) Xbox and (the soon-to-be-announced) Playstation, of course, but not at the expense of all the other platforms. So we’ll see. Nothing is impossible and everything is doable. Last updated: Tue, Feb 19 2013 7:21 PM -03:00 Better not get your hopes high. They just wanted to have more people funding it and that is all. Any of us Wii U owners who donated expecting a Wii U goal… well, we just got screwed. Shaise The people who paid for a Wii U version should get their money back! Insha’Allah. Guest Another reason why kikestarter is a piece of shit. Hey give us your money will make this amazing game and hey you’re funding us because we’re gonna release on your system! OH WAIT NOPE, we decided to put it on this other system instead because we got extra money from them (Sony) to do so! Thanks for the money though Nintendo fans! MujuraNoKamen No money was given to them for a Wii U version. The kickstarter campaign was only for PC, Mac and Linux and those versions are still going ahead so the kickstarter supporters haven’t lost a thing and get exactly what they were promised. This Wii U version (and any other console version) was purely hypothetical. Sony have just secured console exclusivity for PS4, no one is being cheated and whos to say a Wii U version would have been funded anyway.