Dark Souls II is arguably the most popular release for last-gen consoles coming up next year, with a release date of March 14, 2014. Edge Magazine sat down with the game’s producer, Takeshi Miyazoe to ask about several different aspects of producing the game–namely for PC–but the Wii U was also mentioned. When asked whether From Software and Namco ever considered a Wii U port of the game, the reply was a blunt “no.” The following question as to why received laughter, followed by this explanation: “Wii U never came up, and we never doubted that (decision) either. It was more of a company decision, so I wasn’t the one that decided this, but I think the audience for the Wii U is a lot different from the audience for Dark Souls.” It’s interesting to see a Japanese developer believes that the audience for Dark Souls is fundamentally different than that of someone who would enjoy a Wii U. Personally, I own Demon’s Souls, Dark Souls, and I have Dark Souls II collector’s edition pre-ordered, while the Wii U console sits neatly under my television. It should be interesting to note that many people who enjoy the Monster Hunter series would likely be fans of Dark Souls as well. Regardless, the PS Vita got the same treatment as the Wii U from the developers, as they believe the game isn’t a handheld game and should be played with network functionality enabled always. You can check out the rest of the interview here. local_offer from software namco bandai Nintendo wii u stars Further Reading Legendary Pokemon coming to Pokemon Go The cost of Nintendo consoles in today's dollars Wii U gets firmware update Watch the Smash 4 EVO Finals on Disney XD Take a peek at this week’s Nintendo Dow 9 things you probably didn't know about Super Mario Bros. Mercurio2054 I just don’t know what to think about this guys… Brett Butler Who cares. I’ll enjoy SSB, Metroid, DK, Mario, and Zelda, Kirby, Sonic, Yoshi, and the list goes on and on. Googs If we say ‘who cares’ to every third-party game Nintendo can get, but didn’t because the devs are complete douchebags, then we’re in a lot of trouble this generation. Brett Butler third party developers didn’t help the 3ds sell…. Now look at it. I think nintendo will do just fine with their exclusive content. Googs Third party developers do help a system. If only with the reputation a system has. Only depending on first parties to help save the system is good and it has helped Nintendo before, but they can’t go on without third party support. There’s only so many games Nintendo can make without tiring the entire company. Third party developers may not ‘sell’ a system, but they certainly help with sales. Dependant on what third party game it is. Brett Butler I agree to the extent that it helps with sales, but I don’t think that the life of the company depends on it. I guess I just don’t see the point of the doom and gloom whenever Nintendo gets the shaft from a few mainstream(multi platform) games… There ARE plenty of 3rd party developers even in the indie gaming market that are creating for the Wii U, and I think that’s a good start, but again… I think that Nintendo will be fine no matter what support they receive from 3rd party. Daniel Gonzalez 3DS is one thing. Wii U is a console, which is a different market. Wii U won’t be as successful without 3rd party support. When people go around saying “who cares” to every third party who explains why they won’t bring their games to the Wii U, it shows how sour those grapes really are. Lol. Brett Butler I never once complained about gaining support from 3rd party. I am stating that I am perfectly happy playing games developed by nintendo themselves. Wii U not receiving Dark Souls II is something I look at and say “meh, who cares” because I’m still enjoying exclusive content that can’t be on any other system. However, if it was coming to Wii U, I’d still say, “meh, I still want to play mario instead” Daniel Gonzalez “Who cares. I’ll enjoy SSB, Metroid, DK, Mario, and Zelda, Kirby, Sonic, Yoshi, and the list goes on and on.” What’s yours? I have no obsession whatsoever over sour grapes, however, it’s amusing to read how silly people get in comments over a game. I call it like I see it. Also, if you didn’t care about the game, then why are you responding to it? It means you were upset by the news that you needed to remind yourself that you have a lot of great games coming soon to make up for the loss. It’s fine if you don’t like those games, but there are plenty of Wii U owners who would love to have that game in their Wii U library. 😛 ScrewAttack But what are we supposed to do, sit their and cry and beg? Yeah I wanted this game for Wii U, but now there’s nothing I can do about it. So, fuck them. I’ll just buy it for 360 second hand so they don’t see any profit from my purchase :p Daniel Gonzalez You sound mad. They also didn’t tell you to beg for it. They explained why it’s not coming to the Wii U and people clearly showed they’re upset. If this game didn’t come to the PS3, course I’d be upset, but I wouldn’t tell them fuck you. Lol. That’s childish.:P ScrewAttack Far from it, I just don’t care for this constant stream of excuses turd party devs like to throw our way. Daniel Gonzalez I suppose if you want to say they are turd excuses. I see them as being honest and not lying about it. I give them props for that. ScrewAttack I’d give them props if they actually tried. Release a good game on Wii U. One complete, good game. See how the sales are relative to the console’s market size. Then decide whether the market is there. Laughing and telling us we don’t exist is insulting and moronic. Daniel Gonzalez That’s if they actually laughed. I can’t take their word for it that they laughed unless it was actually shown on video. If they did, then yeah, it would be insulting. Though, I don’t go on claims. Regardless, it’s not a huge loss overall. There will be other games of it’s kind in the future that may hit the Wii U. Laud You’re failing to see his point. Just shut up already lol. Daniel Gonzalez How about no? Is no good for you? If you don’t like what I say, then simply don’t respond. No reason to be so upset. Lol. Yoshifan3 dont worry about him, people are just mad that they are not getting the game on wii u. its not even coming on ps4 and xbox one, and while i wouldve liked it on ps4, its not the end of the world. there will be more good games. Resogun is freaking amazing, me and my friend freaking play it all the time. its been a long time daniel, so how have you been? Daniel Gonzalez Yeah, it’s clear that they’re upset. I don’t blame them, but from most comments, people are taking it a bit extreme. Then again, articles like this bring out the worst in people and it makes sense to do so as every other site I’m sure is doing the same and reporting this. At this point, it should be no surprise that games like Dark Souls is probably not coming to the Wii U. Even if it didn’t come to the PS3 just for example, I wouldn’t be that upset about it, as there are plenty of other games out there to purchase. I’ve been okay, mostly absorbed into my studies and playing a few games on PS3. How is the PS4 btw? Have you ran into any hardware issues? What games did you get for it? 😛 Guest The safest method is to ignore the person who you replied to. Daniel Gonzalez Indeed. NintenScience NintenScience: Sorry, but I posted that. Daniel Gonzalez: It is the troll again. NintenScience: Calm yourself… Daniel Gonzalez Nah, you’re more so entertainment. Was a nice guess, though. 😛 Guest Ok. Guest Deleting comment. NintenScience 🙁 Guest NintenScience: Alert! Daniel Gonzalez is personally trolling me. ilovegoogleglass: Daniel Gonzalez, please be more mature. Daniel Gonzalez: Go back to your troll friends. NintenScience: FUCK Daniel Gonzalez: You’re just mad that you got exposed. NintenScience: The police is waiting to arrest you. Daniel Gonzalez: Not really, it’s you who should be arrested, because you stalk people. NintenScience: Whoa, that hypocrisy! Lol Daniel Gonzalez: And you’re the same person. NintenScience: Please, stop trolling me. liovegoogleglass: Can’t you make peace with each other? Daniel Gonzalez: I can’t make peace with a cyber troll stalker. NintenScience: 1. You sound like @Donaald:disqus 2. You are a hypocrite. Daniel Gonzalez: You’re delusional. NintenScience: Same to you…as for now. I will see you at “ninsci.weebly.com”. Goodbye, for now. Yoshifan3: Nintendrone… NintenScience: What? ________________________________________________ WHOA! NintenScience A lot of hate… Guest And why are you downvoting me? NintenScience http://wiiudaily.com/2013/12/dark-souls-ii-on-wii-u/#comment-1172590228 NintenScience Hello? ScrewAttack I don’t doubt they did, given the attitude of a lot of these developers (ie a little too far up their own arses). You’re right though. I would’ve liked to have had it for Wii U, but now I won’t but something else that’s similar/better will come along and fill the gap. I can always just not buy it after all, plenty of other things to spend my money on and support. Daniel Gonzalez Exactly. One game isn’t a big loss. If you don’t want it on other platforms then so be it. There will be plenty of good games coming out this year on multiple consoles, and I look forward to it. ScrewAttack It was something I was interested in getting into with number 2, but their choice has made mine for me and I’m quite happy to just never get into the series. Their loss. And yes! Lots to look forward to this year! Though the PS4 won’t have anything that interests me til around the end of Summer ’14. I find that sad, makes me wonder just how well these two new consoles are going to do during the first half of next year. Daniel Gonzalez I would say for two consoles that barely have any big must haves, it’s selling quite well. I don’t know it’ll continue to do so after the holidays, but I would take a guess that both will slow down while having a boost in sales from time to time with newer releases. I think by next holiday, it’ll pick up a lot more when more quality games are out there. I won’t be getting a PS4 until the summer or holiday 2014. I never buy anything at launch. For one, lack of quality games, and two, well……people go all Hunger Games over newly released consoles and I want no part of it. I value my life. Lol. ScrewAttack The power of hype, another result of the gaming “media” shitting on Nintendo whilst jizzing on the other two. Dumb people believe it…..then buy a brand new £400 console just to play Fifa 14 on. I miss this being a niche hobby. But, it was no different for Wii U during the launch window. Nintendo sold what, about 3 miillion I’ve heard thrown around? But yeah agreed it’ll slow down a lot after Christmas, I’m curious as to whether purchases will bottom out on those consoles too. Wouldn’t surprise me, the price they are and the lack of decent games they have. I bought Wii U at launch and still don’t regret it (especially as I had a friend at Tesco get it for me through their 20% off weekend; paid £230, or the modern UK price point!). I’m planning pretty much the same, depends when BF4 stops being shit and Destiny/The Division hit. Yeah I think we’ve all seen that video of the launch at a store in….Belgium? Pathetic. I also don’t get why they didn’t just order online! ;p Andreas Sunde “I don’t go on claims” Then hiw can you believe anything written in this article? Daniel Gonzalez Easy, I don’t. 🙂 Only thing that’s believable to me is the fact that Dark Souls II isn’t coming to the Wii U. If the article or even articles on the internet are saying they laughed at the idea of it coming to the Wii U, then they should show some proof. Like video or audio. Otherwise, I take it with a grain of salt as usual. Have a nice day. 😛 NintenScience So…many haters of the Wii U say that the Wii U needs more third-party video games such as Grand Theft Auto V, Battlefield 4, Tomb Raider (2013 video game) or Call of Duty Ghosts, but when these type of articles appear, the Wii U haters change their thoughts and say that the video game should NOT be ported to the Wii U because of the so-called “small” install base of the Wii U and a different demographic. Oooohhh, that “bitter-tasting” irony! Lol Yoshifan3 this guy clearly is a nintendrone, and the username doesnt help either. pay no attention to this man. Guest Get a life. Daniel Gonzalez Dunno about nintendrone, but apparently he was on tumblr with a group of trolls apparently planning out attacks. I found it quite amusing. I don’t think he’s in any position to tell people to get a life. 😛 NintenScience …and? Take a look at this: http://wiiudaily.com/2013/12/dark-souls-ii-on-wii-u#comment-1173020104 http://wiiudaily.com/2013/12/dark-souls-ii-on-wii-u#comment-1173017100 NintenScience I support Sony Corporation and Nintendo Co., Ltd as well as other video game companies, but other than Pauperkiller2013, who is a hardcore militant fan of Microsoft Corporation, I have never seen someone that is a “highly militant fan” of Sony Corporation other than you (YES, YOU)! WHOA!!!! ilovegoogleglass Oh the irony and hypocrisy your username is “Yoshifan3” obviously a “nintendrone”…. NintenScience …? Daniel Gonzalez Well, I don’t recall ever saying that GTA V and the like shouldn’t be ported. I’d support it 100%, but it’s not up to me. It does make sense as to why they don’t. Small install base wouldn’t be it. It’s just the fact that they don’t see the Wii U as profitable. In truth, Nintendo’s demographic is much different in comparison than Sony’s or Microsoft’s. That’s the reality of it. People really need to get over it. It isn’t the end of the world. Lol. If most Nintendo fans are happy just buying Nintendo games, then I don’t see why they get all uppity over third party so often. 😛 Guest Meh! Guest http://wiiudaily.com/2013/11/wii-u-wins-console-launch/#comment-1139160254 What a disgrace. Daniel Gonzalez http://thescienceethusiast1130.tumblr.com/ I know you’re from a group of trolls. Say hi to thescienceethusiast for me, unless you two are the same person. Bye bye now. 😛 Guest Whatever. Guest Mr. Downvote is back? ilovegoogleglass What are you saying? Daniel Gonzalez I’m saying I love ritz crackers with cheddar and a Pepsi to wash it down. Isn’t it obvious? ScrewAttack Fair combo! ilovegoogleglass What ever you say… Guest Keep a close watch on @disqus_aWDc4YmJcG:disqus, in case he attacks us again. Read this comment: http://wiiudaily.com/2013/11/wii-u-wins-console-launch/#comment-1139160254 NintenScience Never heard of ritz crackers… NintenScience @disqus_aWDc4YmJcG:disqus is full of hate. If you would be able to change his mentality, that would be awesome! Guest YOU’RE STUPID. GREETS SCIENCE. NintenScience Hello. NintenScience I apologise for what I posted… NintenScience -14 xd Andrew St. Clair The reason it’s not coming to Wii U is childish. So yes, fuck em’. NintenScience lol NintenScience Yes, but even when most Wii U supporters ask for a major third-party video game, the Wii U port usually ends up being scrapped. Daniel Gonzalez It’s because even when fans want third party, they hardly buy them. Gimped ports or not, they don’t profit from them. So they’re not going to waste their money in doing so. That’s the way the cookie crumbles. NintenScience “That’s the way the cookie crumbles.” Mmm…cookies… Slurps DragonSilths Then they can miss out on extra money. Its a lose, lose. Daniel Gonzalez Not really. Can’t lose money on a console that you never developed for. As for possible profits there, well that’s debatable. DragonSilths You gotta spend money, to make money. Daniel Gonzalez Only if there is profit to be had. Otherwise, you make none back. In the third party situation, porting games to Nintendo consoles has been a bad investment. DragonSilths Gotta take risks. Its what Nintendo does every generation with their consoles, and they are still around and what not. Partnering with Nintendo is almost always a good business decision. Daniel Gonzalez “Almost” is exactly the point. Nintendo is not for everyone. In this case, it isn’t for From Software with Dark Souls II. Not all third party will see Nintendo as a good business decision, People should accept that not all developers will share Nintendo’s vision. DragonSilths True, but if a developer has no interest in expanding their fan base, why continue to be a developer? DragonSilths Quit thumbs downing. I hate when something is not symmetrical. I get weird about it. If I get thumbs downed I need the same amount of thumbs up!!! Daniel Gonzalez I get them all the time. I see them as upvotes. 😛 NintenScience Why can’t you accept them as downvotes? InterTreble Daniel Gonzalez can’t accept who disagrees with him, and offends who is not mothertongue even for the spelling errors. He is irrelevant, not only in a discussion about videogames. The downvotes and his immature reaction are a clear demonstration about. Ah, and he is always wrong, I was forgetting… Daniel Gonzalez Sounds to me someone is upset that I don’t agree with the rest of the crowd. You can disagree with me all you like. I’m fine with that. Just don’t expect me to agree with you. If that bothers you, then you came to the wrong post. As for immaturity, pot is calling the kettle black again, how ironic. Isn’t that what you’re expressing right now? I thought so. As for downvotes, all it demonstrates, is that people don’t like what I say, and that’s cool. Cause I get just as many upvotes when someone likes what I say. The conclusion to this is, doesn’t matter what I get, I take them all in stride. You seem to be the only one worrying about them. 🙂 Merry Christmas. InterTreble Did you remember mr gonzales? You offended me when ibtold you wii u was increasing sales. You said a lot of stupid things and now in Japan wii u sold 120k last week… the trend i tried to explained you has beem confirmed, while you offend who is not mothertongue for the spelling… you were WRONG gonzales, WRONG. do you know what it means the word WRONG? And now please let me enjoy my wii u with some friends who noticed that this console is far better than the ps4and xbox one without interesting games… Too much time dedicated to a troll like you. Take care, mr wrong. Best wishes to you Daniel Gonzalez Easy, because it’s a win/win in any case for me. They aren’t a worry to me, If people are so upset about down votes, they should either complain to have them removed or just ignore them like I do. NintenScience Oh. DragonSilths I believe that. Rinslowe That’s part of it. But there’s also a fair amount of work needed from dev’s equally. BGhp I can’t believe I am saying this but, theses Nintendo fanboys are hurting Nintendo. Skelterz Daniel you don’t own a wii u i would pipe down if i were you baldy or i might don your baldy head as my photo again. Daniel Gonzalez I would say, go ahead. I’m not sweating your kind. I can say what I please despite not owning a Wii U. Also, I’m not the only one here that doesn’t own one. So go find someone else who cares what you think. Threatening will only get you banned. Good day. 🙂 Skelterz daniel gorgonzola merry xmas all the way from sunny termina may the moon cry for you special dann xxxx Daniel Gonzalez Yeah, I already knew you were the so called “daniel gorgonzola.” Your fan comments gave it away. I still take it you don’t like bald people. Such a shame. 😛 Merry X-mas to you too. 🙂 BGhp Congratulations but, we have to focuses on problems. Yeah third party developers didn’t help the 3ds sell and its going just fine, but that doesn’t mean everything is sugar and rainbows for Nintendo. Daniel Gonzalez Sour grapes. NintenScience [Slurps] Nintenjoe82 i prefer Nintendo controllers so i want these 3rd party games too Zorpix I care Daniel Gonzalez Good man. I would care too. Mercurio2054 i like this kind of games, and not only Nintendo ones. they can’t think that all the Nintendo fans just like Nintendo games, i play much more games in PC, not with the same enthusiasm but i like them… i dont have other console than my Wii U. i know that if they bring a full game to Wii U, just the same as the other consoles, some Nintendo fans + some other guys with 360, ps3 will buy the wii u option (i don’t know if i explain well) Julio You’re not alone. Mercurio2054 But you are not alone For I am here with you Though we’re far apart You’re always in my heart But you are not alone ‘Lone, ‘lone Why, ‘lone OH WAIT! Hipster Victor So do I, I wish the WiiU have enough third party games so i can replace my ps3. Nathan Verbois I absolutely (insert favorite expletive) care about this! Though Game Informer’s idea of making a Souls style game in the Zelda universe would be pretty awesome, too. I really want Dark Souls 2 and Destiny on my Wii U. I own and will own other platforms that can play these games, but I’d prefer to play them on the GamePad and have access to Miiverse. Miiverse would be (insert another expletive) perfect for this game! Zorpix yeah. And off TV play. Just so many reasons to want games on Wii U RockieOllie incredibly closed-minded. I love Smash and DKC more than anything. But being exposed to new and more games can’t hurt anyone. Ice Climbers Problem is, most 3rd parties won’t attempt to do this. They think short term, and it hurts Nintendo and Nintendo fans in the end. If 3rd parties don’t take the risk now of releasing their games on Nintendo systems, then it will never happen. Guess what, they won’t care if Nintendo fans don’t get their games. 3rd parties tend to treat Nintendo fans like garbage. Nintendo fans won’t deal with that kind of bullshit and will refuse to buy those 3rd party games. Then 3rd parties stop supporting Nintendo systems. It’s an endless cycle. 3rd parties could care less about how powerful Nintendo’s system is or anything else they’ve used as an excuse. If Wii U was as powerful as PS4, 3rd parties would still ignore Nintendo. Many of them simply REFUSE to work with Nintendo. It will never get any better, and the sooner Nintendo fans realize this, the better. RockieOllie Well most of the issues with 3rd party support has been caused entirely by Nintendo themselves. Nintendo didn’t include these 3rd party devs in the development process of the Wii U, and just showed up on their front doors saying: “Here’s our box, make games for it.” Nintendo should of included these developers during the production process of the Wii U. That way Nintendo would be given the feedback to include the right specs and implement the right features to cater to various 3rd party companies. That is the reason why Kingdom Hearts isn’t coming to Wii U, because it lacks the right version of DirectX, that’s why Bethesda, Rockstar and Capcom isn’t putting their AAA games on the Wii U aswell. That’s issue #1, and its too late for them to fix it, because the console is out. Now Nintendo has to work with what they got this gen. Second is marketing. If you noticed, Nintendo’s marketing has been primarily geared towards kids. Sony and Microsoft seem to be more varied in their marketing in who the appeal towards. If you are a 3rd party dev who makes a mature game like Dark Souls, why would you put it on a console that is being marketed to only kids??? Nintendo still has the chance to fix this, they need to expand who and how they market to different age groups other than kids. The reason why 3rd parties treat Nintendo like garbage is mainly because of the Wii. Be honest now, What games do you think did well on the Wii? Apart from Nintendo’s 1st party, It was mostly party and mini-game collection games, and for the majority of devs that isn’t what they make. If one particular game genre is selling well on a platform why would devs push their games on that platform? So Nintendo really had to to prove that they were for the core audience and pushed games of the other variety. Which EA was there to help do. But whatever Nintendo did to ruin the relationship, is really hurting Nintendo. Nintendo needed games like Need For Speed and Battlefield on the Wii U to show devs that they aren’t just a party machine box. It isn’t the first time Nintendo’s sour relationship backfired on them (Sony). Nintendo has done a poor job of reaching out and fostering new relationships outside of their comfort zone. I really think Nintendo needs new management. Reggie can stay, he only announces what he’s told to announce. Iwata and whoever else is behind Nintendo’s console philosophy needs to go. I’m not saying Nintendo needs to be exactly like Microsoft and Sony, but they fresh blood that’s willing to keep what works for Nintendo and change what isn’t. Ice Climbers 3rd parties treated Nintendo like garbage WAY before the Wii. Nintendo has ALWAYS marketed towards kids. Also, Square Enix lied when they said the Wii U lacked DirectX 11. There’s an indie game called Candle coming to Wii U that uses DirectX 11 features (well, equivalent features, as DX is patented by Microsoft). As for EA, that relationship was only to help with Nintendo Network. EA got greedy and wanted Nintendo to have Nintendo Network to run through Origin, which would give EA control over Nintendo’s network. Nintendo refused, and EA got butthurt, ended the relationship, and has been spouting lies about the Wii U ever since. RockieOllie The Gamecube had games like Madden and Resident Evil. Where the Wii lacked these types of games. The Wii was a step back with 3rd party support and that was due to the hardware and games that prospered on that system. And that is the issue, marketing to just kids isn’t going to work this gen. Especially with the popularity of iphones/tablets and other consoles. It is just a modified variant of the DirectX plugin. It isn’t exactly the same, but yes Square could technically use that variant plugin for Kingdom Hearts 3, but i doubt it would be an effective business decision because Square would have to rewrite the code for the Wii U where as the Xbox1 and Ps4 are both based off of x86 architecture. Well that’s one side of the story, one that heavily favors Nintendo. I’ve read other reports that said that while EA was helping to make the online infrastructure for the Wii U, they noticed most of the features that they were adding to the Wii U were already on Origin, which they proposed to Nintendo and they had and “agreement”. Then towards the end of the development phase of the Wii U Nintendo decided not to use EA infrastructure, and opted for somethinfg else behind their back (similar to the situation with the Sony and Phillips CD) There’s so much ‘my friend said’ and ‘this may have happened’ that it’s hard to take any of this as credible really. Bottom line regardless of whose fault is it, both are hurting and would be better off with each other support. InterTreble This is exactly why, always talking about 3rd parties as the only important thing of the world is a total fail, and the boundary line between who knows what nintendo is and who writes about it just to talk no sense. Ace J and this is one of the reasons why the wii u struggles to get 3rd party support. because of this “who cares?” attitude if a developer decides not to release a game on the wii u. BGhp And its because of you people that we don’t get any third party games. NintenScience …along with third-party video games. Mithiragi You forgot the big 4. Starfox, Pokemon, F-Zero, and Fire Emblem. Jack5221 Can you blame them? Multi-platform games just don’t sell that good on Nintendo hardware. I bought Rayman legends for my Wii U, but that was really it. All my other Wii U games are exclusives. Daniel Gonzalez Not many, no. Mercurio2054 it’s not may case, i have just dance 2014, AC4, COD G, Mass Efect 3 and plan to buy arkham origins, Splinter cell and some Lego ones… from nintendo i have sports, fit U, party u and Mario 3d… Sydney Ultrasyd The games I enjoyed the most were 3rd party title so far : Rayman, AC III & IV, Mass Effect III (<3), the great Lego City Undercover, and I can't wait to start Splinter Cell and Watch Dogs soon … I'm really sad that those games don't sell well. It will force me to buy a PS4 at some point :'( Keyser At least they’re not saying it’s underpowered… Mercurio2054 HAHAHAHAHA . . . good one… LopsidedPasta The worst part is… they’re right. Look at the sales for every Mature rated game on the Wii U, that also released on other consoles. Other consoles’ Mature sales dwarf the Wii U’s. Not too long ago, I said I had no interest in the other next gen consoles. Now, when I see these incredible titles that are Mature, I don’t want to play them on a Wii U. I want them on a PS4, because that’s where the best experience seems to be. In that regard, Nintendo dropped the ball with not making the Wii U more desirable for third party developers. Logic Exactly, this is how the general consumer (not a fan boy of any sort) would think. People like me still stick around the Wii U for Mario 3D World and the upcoming Zelda game, in which I read an leaked article about it being the successor of Twilight princess and such; now I’m hyped as hell. Nonetheless I also want to play Need For Speed Rivals, Dark Souls 2 etc. Problem is they aren’t on the Wii U, so I need to play them on the PC/PS4. Googs How can they know we don’t like the game if they doidn’t even put it on the console itself (Both the 2nd and the 1st)? That’s like saying Zelda won’t do well on the PS3/360 because the audience is different. If it hasn’t been tried, it hasn’t been proven. Sad to see developers acting like this. I also find it incredibly disrespectful to respond to a ‘why?’ question with laughter, that’s not professional in any way. TaintedXGamer Did they seriously, belittle us?………….GET ALL THOSE PETITIONS OUT NOW! PaulyG Yes because the other petitions helped so much. BIG Franky at the end of the day, Nintendo has a perception of family/kiddie consoles…. and whether we like it or not, perception is reality. D2K The only way to change the perception of the Wii U being a ‘kiddie’ console is with the ‘reality’ of bringing more mature games to the console. If you feel that the Wii U appealing to a young demographic is a problem, yet you refuse to bring more adult-oriented games to the Wii U then you are not part of the solution, but part of the problem. Matt Lambourne Dark Souls was a terrible game anyway, so no loss. Adrian YOU are a terrible game. So there. Daniel Gonzalez I agree. It’s terrible when a game is not coming to Nintendo’s Wii U. We get it. Matt Lambourne It would be a bad game even if it was. I could get it for my xbox or playstation, but I won’t. Because it’s bad. Lil J Moore This. Just because it’s not coming to our favorite console doesn’t mean the game sucks. Daniel Gonzalez I meant to say it’s terrible when a game doesn’t come to the Wii U. Sorry, didn’t re-read what I said before. My bad for the misunderstanding. NintenScience My bad for the misunderstanding. Finally, something respectful, after that heated argument. I hope we can forgive each other… Shota wow just ……wow -_- Lil J Moore So just because some of us own a WiiU means we don’t like certain games? I’m a gamer and play all games (if they interest me). I love the demon and dark souls series and wish it would come to WiiU just so I can play it on my WiiU. But let’s be honest here. This isn’t about the audience but more of them thinking the game won’t sell well on the WiiU.( which they may have a point there. who knows) Wayne Beck If we’re going to be honest, the actually reason is Nintendo doesn’t buy third party support. Iwata has even said it publicly. They will not pay people to put games on their console and they have no plans to change that stance. There is no reason they should. Regardless of how much Third Party support the Wii U gets, Nintendo is going to turn a profit on this console because people buy Nintendos to play Nintendo games. They would lose that profit margin if they paid every third party developer for their games like Sony and Microsoft do. Agent721 They paid Tell Tale for Lego City. Aren’t they paying whoever makes Bayonetta? Wayne Beck Should probably have been more specific. With Lego City, Bayonetta and Wonderful 101, Nintendo inked publishing deals. They not only get console exclusivity, but they actually own those games in their entirety. What Nintendo will not do is pay for Cross Platform Games or games they do not retain the rights to. Ubisoft was able to pull Rayman Exclusivity without any backlash from Nintendo because Nintendo did not pay for or Publish the game. Microsoft and Sony will pay Third Party developers excessive amounts of money for Timed Exclusivity and Exclusive DLC as an incentive for Developers to put their games on the Platforms. After doing that for so long, it is no longer considered an incentive, so much as a required transaction for support. Basically, a large number of third party developers, mostly the smaller developers, now demand a bride for providing content. RedChu “Basically, a large number of third party developers, mostly the smaller developers, now demand a bride for providing content.” Hahaha. Now I’m envisioning developers demanding Peach’s hand in marriage in return for porting their games. Striker This is exactly right. It’s this and enormous game budgets that are making a dangerous path to troubled times in the game industry. I hear all the time how Nintendo is “Stuck in the 90’s” but that was the healthiest time for gaming Pubs and Devs. Sony destabilizes the industry by taking huge losses on hardware, hardware that forces expectations of playing games that look like movies. Excessive amounts of money get spent on development of portions of a game that have nothing to do with gameplay. MS has set the trend of paying for timed exclusives and everything Wayne has said above is due to the MS Vs Sony. Nintendo wants to do it’s own thing and that’s what we need, a company focused on the game industry in it’s own way. Michael Rowlands so what about metal gear solid on the game cude Nintenjoe82 and don’t forget that Nintendo don’t put Wii U adverts on TV that show any kind of 3rd party game. Sony and MS pay for lots of TV spots for AC4, CoD and GTA bundles. MujuraNoKamen *Traveller’s Tales 🙂 Michael Rowlands look we all didn’t buy a wii u just for Mario I hate Mario and Zelda why is it ok to buy a wii u and then have to buy a xbox one all a ps4 just to get third party support…why is it ok for Reggie to lie and say the wii u is going to get third party support and Nintendo support its people like you that keep Nintendo in business…..Nintendo are laughing Daniel Gonzalez Indeed. Can’t really argue with some of your points there. I dunno if they are truly laughing, but they do know that they have their loyal fans wrapped around their finger. Andreas Sunde It’s ok for reggie to say they will have 3rd party support when the 3rd parties are promising said support. It’s not Nintendo’s fault that 3rd parties like EA decided to fuck the Wii U with late, shitty ports, and ten use that as an excuse not to put more games on it. Michael Rowlands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txa3i-sextc watch this video this is my point Michael Rowlands it is Nintendo fault they sit back and let ea support the wii u with shitty ports …look I don’t care what anyone says on this site but Nintendo needs ea support think how will the wii u would sell if it had 3rd party support ..I just think Nintendo is giving up on 3rd party games Kameron Grayson If you hate Mario and Zelda, you shouldn’t be here. Michael Rowlands like I said not all people on here got a wii u just for Mario and Zelda Rich Garriques you sound like a retard and your grammar is atrocious. you seem to be having a hard time choosing what console you prefer. here is a hint its not a nintendo one since you can complain about buying a ps4 and xbox one just for third party support. Michael Rowlands big man …fucking big man ….you sound like a fucking prick and get you fucking dad to stop fucking you up the ass see if you have the balls to say that to my face PRICK…. Skelterz Your tum tum so bad very very achey tum tum i have you, i own you, you fucking cum swallower. Michael Rowlands I hear you have to turn when your dad comes in your bed room and he owns you …….sad man now fuck off and let me play on a real game console sorry gaming pc now fuck off and get a life Rich Garriques i definitely would , but i don’t have to say big man twice in a sentence to feel like a man. then refer to someones dad for no apparent reason cause you seem to be very emotional about other people speaking about your problems. i don’t think that makes me a prick. i think it makes you a loser Skelterz You hate the 2 best frachises in the history of gaming… and you have a wii u are blind deaf and dumb are you a virgin with a bad tum tum, you’re tripping nigga. Michael Rowlands yes you got me I am a virgin and still live with my mum and all I do all day is watch porn and play Mario all day and at night I get a saw ass when my dad comes in the bedroom…O hang on that you… Rich Garriques wow smart business move nintendo Nathan Verbois What about ZombiU? That’s very nearly the same concept, just different environment, mechanics and perspective. I absolutely love the Souls games. I platinum’ed both on my PS3 and plan to get Dark Souls 2, day one. Only a couple of weeks ago, I was just thinking of how much I’d love to have this game on Wii U. This response makes me want to start a petition! Sydney Ultrasyd Of course it would find an audience. Most mature people here on WiiU Daily would like such a game. But of course it would not sell well compared to other platforms. D Moness yeah because the nintendo crowd doesn’t like ball breaking difficult games. I mean it is not like the nes is known for some of the most difficult games ever made. Or that the donkey kong games are as hard as heck. TaintedXGamer let not forget that our “difficult” Nintendo games Don’t need to be Super Dark and Gritty and Loads of Bloodshed, Just to get that kinda gameplay across. oh well i’m still looking forward to 2014. Lil J Moore You know what game I want on WiiU now. A new No More Heroes game. That would be sweet TaintedXGamer TOTALLY i completed NMH 1 amd 2. We need more from suda 51 on Wii U! PaulyG In the end only 10% of Wii U fanboys buy Darksouls lmao Daniel Gonzalez I agree, they wouldn’t want Darksould. Sounds like a bad game. I’d rather have Dark Souls. RyuNoHadouken lol NintenScience No… PaulyG I didn’t catch that typo, thank you. I was busy laughing my ass off reading these comments. D Moness You are an optimist seeing as not even 5% of the ps3/360 owners bought dark souls 1. Dark souls sold 2,5M copies on a userbase of 70+ million ps3/360 owners. Daniel Gonzalez 2.5 m is good profit. 10% sounds a bit much for Wii U. If that many Wii U owners actually wanted it, I think Namco and From Software would port it ASAP. Money talks. D Moness I am not saying 2,5M is bad in any way. What i just mean is that it is easier to get a 2,5M copies sold on a 60M+ userbase than a 4,5M userbase. The thing I was saying is that the trope nintendo hard exist for a reason. Nintendo made hard and unforgiving games like dark souls before from software was even created. Daniel Gonzalez True, but I don’t see how that affects the Wii U situation with Dark Souls. I get what you’re trying to say here, but I don’t think the Developers care about that. In this case, it’s just profits that matter to them, and I agree with them there. I’m sure this game would have worked on the Wii U, it’s a matter of how many people would actually buy it fully intact? Even Wonderful 101 and Lego City Undercover had low sales despite the claim that both were good games.From From Software’s point of view, 360, PS3 and PC make more sense to them. I don’t agree with them laughing during the interview,as that would be rather insulting(if it actually did occur). TaintedXGamer they missing out on a opportunity, to get a game that could potentially sell well regardless, BECAUSE, they’re Afraid to take risks…….. Idiots. They took a risk by making the game IN THE 1st Place!……. well Fuck em we don’t need their game, would have been nice anyway, but this pisses me off as much as the DLC Bullshit That all the idiots that release their games on our wii U, keep doing! for most games >_> The Clockwork Being Not related. But if you want to fill your inventory with Nintendo haters tears, head to the Gamespot game of the year video. A Link Between Worlds won GOTY instead of the Last of Us, GTA V, Bioshock Infinite, Mario 3D World and Assassin’s Creed IV. The dislike bar and comments are unbelievable! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIveEE0YnuQ cThreep Hahahaha those YouTube comments are pretty freakin’ hilarious. Lil J Moore I just love the comments. lol NintenScience xd Daniel Gonzalez I think the funny part is how people care so much on who wins game of the year to begin with. I never see games as a popularity contest. All I care about is playing them. Not so much who wins GOTY. I think both sides are silly. 😛 C4 Easy choice if you ask me. TLoU is fine but it’s not made for GOTY or anything, it’s like a detour from the Uncharteds by ND, and they were successful with creating something different, at a time when Uncharted (3) got to samey and repetitive with the same formula in 3 games consecutively. Zelda on the other hand is based on an already established formula, perfected and added some new elements. The same goes for Mario just the other way around – the “Mario 3D” isn’t as perfect as the best 2D and 3D Mario games yet, but on the other hand it tries to provide something new, the perfect blend of 2D and 3D game mechanics, kind of like what Mario 64 could have been if it were more 2D-ish and had multiplayer. Russel I’m sorry But, even as a Nintendo fan I just can’t see how an HD port of a GameCube game could beat “The Last of Us”! That’s just crazy! Has anyone here even played TLoU? Trust me if it were a Nintendo exclusive all of you would be praising it. It is The Game Of 2013!!! The Clockwork Being Uh! It isn’t Wind Waker bu A Link Between Worlds. A new game! Russel You’re right. I’m thinking Wind Waker ( I don’t have 3Ds only Wii U & PS3) but, Still “TLoU” doesn’t deserve the hate it gets from Nintendo & Xbox fans. Again I say, if TLoU” was a Wii U exclusive instead of a Sony exclusive everyone here would be singing its praises! I’m a Nintendo fan but, not a Fanboy! I’m sorry if this offends you But, I’ve played quite a few of the games of 2013 & by far TLoU was my favorite! Russel I’m sorry yes I was confusing it with wind Waker (I don’t have a 3DS. Just a Wii U and a PS3.) But I still do not see how TLoU with its Great game play, damn near next Jen graphics (on a seven-year-old console) and Hollywood movie quality story could lose game of the year to any handheld game Nintendo or otherwise. I played many of the major games to come out in 2013 and by far TLoU was my favorite! Frankly I am tired of fanboys whining “It’s a movie. It’s not a game!” These people are missing the point graphics why is this is where we’re heading we’re games look as good as Hollywood movies. Why is it that some of you can’t appreciate this and noTLoU it’s not just a mindless shooter. If you want to mindless zombie shooter try “Zombie U”! I am not trying to hate on Nintendo at all I love my Wii U. I’m just stating my opinion! Russel Sorry, I was confusing the two. But, Still I’ve played a few of the big games of 2013 (Nintendo and otherwise.) & in my opinion nothing else to come out this year beats “TLoU”! Yes I’m a Nintendo Fan but not a fanboy. I’m tired of people whining that The last of us is a movie not a game. Apparently these people don’t seem to understand The next generation of gaming most of the games coming out today are Hollywood movie quality. Then there’s nothing wrong with that. My thought is that most of the fanboys Who bash “TLoU”have never played it Contrary to what many on this side have said It is not a mindless shooter for 12-year-olds. Because of it’s Movie like story you genuinely care about the characters as you’re playing the game not many games do that and that is what makes “TLoU” my favorite game of2013! Russel Didn’t mean to spam! My comment wasn’t showing up & Kept thinking I had to do it over again. The Clockwork Being No worries its fine. Nintenjoe82 I partially disagree but I can’t blame him for his perception of the userbase. Most of the people with Wii Us that want DS2 would buy it on other systems due to price and other factors. Most TV ads completely neglect Wii U versions and even the stores don’t display the Wii U versions so it’s no surprise 3rd party games are selling poorly. All the big publishers keep saying it’s a different market while offering nothing to try and capture the space. A good game that used the unique features and marketed them would sell well and even have a chance to be a system seller. They’re leaving it up to Nintendo and their next excuse will be that their games will get too much competition from Nintendo’s. DOLBYdigital I wish you were right but time and time again it has been proven that quality hardcore 3rd party games do not sell on Nintendo systems. Don’t get me wrong, I love Nintendo and wish nothing but their success but I tried and tried to get Wii gamers to buy and support all the awesome hardcore 3rd party and they didn’t…. and I don’t expect the WiiU audience to be any different (wonderful 101 is crazy awesome and hardcore… it has sold abysmally). Dark Souls would not sell well on WiiU so this is just a smart business decision by the devs, that is all… sad but true Nintenjoe82 Yeah I said that too but the problem isn’t just because the Nintendo audience doesn’t like the same games or refuses to buy them, they’re buying them for the other systems because they’re cheaper, released with all features, released earlier and already have established online communities on other consoles. The publishers keep referring to the Wii U userbase like the reason their games aren’t selling on Wii U is because the fanbase is some kind of mutant that only likes a certain type of game when that is simply not the case. There’s also a no help from Nintendo and that is why 3rd parties love MS and Sony. MS and Sony have advertising all year with specific 3rd party games showing that you can buy them on their console. Nintendo barely advertise their own games and never advertise 3rd party games. I have yet to see a CoD Ghosts or AC4 advert that mentions that they’re available on Wii U. It isn’t Activision or Ubi trying to make the games fail, it’s Sony and MS trying to make the games a success for them while Nintendo don’t want to compete with their own software sales. W101 might be hardcore and crazy awesome but most teenagers and adults would dismiss it as too immature for them. I don’t know why anyone ever thought it would sell systems. Even Platinum and Nintendo only released it with limited physical copies. Adrian True story bro. The Clockwork Being But back to this article. Tell me sir, have you tested the waters yourself or are you giving in this EA bullshit. Didn’t alot of people clear the harder difficulty on Zombie U which Ubisoft and Nintendo thought it would take a long time. What I think is that these developers should test the waters with equal ports to the other consoles. Don’t give us games like Splinter Cells which lacks content or Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director’s Cut which is 60$ on Wii U and 30$ on other consoles. The Nintendo crowed plays hard games. Look at Metroid games, Fire Emblem and recently Mario 3D World with the extra levels, just to name a few. Getting real tired of these type of developpers. Edit: Just to add how come MGS V is coming to PS3 and PS4, X1 and X360 but not Wii U? Daniel Gonzalez It might have to do with a fact that Twin Snakes on GC wasn’t a big seller. That and the 3DS version of Snake Eater sold poorly. I could be wrong, but it’s the only guess I can come up with. Unless you think they are lazy, then to each their own there. Josie the Sketcher What a totally lame excuse! Of course there will be an audience that would be interested in Dark Souls. The developers are just very lazy. PaulyG You guys only buy 1st party games tho lmao. Lazy my ass. Frankie No one has a reason to get upset here. From a business perspective, the audience is not on the Wii U. The company made the right decision. Only fan boys will get upset because a game skipped Nintendo. ScrewAttack So those of us on Wii U that actually wanted to play it on WIi U are…..what? Lil J Moore Ghosts Daniel Gonzalez On Call of Duty. Lil J Moore NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Frankie The average person with a Wii would not play Dark Souls. Most people that own a Wii U, owned a Wii. Using that as a reference is a good business model. Obviously there are people who want to play, myself included, but the cost is not worth the sales. PaulyG Thank you for sticking to reality. Zorpix Thats…. 100% fair Daniel Gonzalez Not fair, but it’s a business decision, and not much can be done. I was one of those people who tried to petition it to come to the Wii U, but I knew it wasn’t going to happen deep down. There will be other games of course. Can’t say I’m upset about it. It pays to have more than one console for these kinds of situations. Zorpix I mean the assumption is fair 😛 Daniel Gonzalez Yeah, I read that wrong. Ahh well. Sue me. 😛 Zorpix *sues you* 😀 Daniel Gonzalez D:! Zorpix *Unsues* Guest Thank you… PaulyG I agree Ferd726 Well thats means all third-partys are living wii u again. But we still have the exclusives once from nintendo this games are Worthing to play and always nintendo survive this games for the past generations lonewolf There is audience but they want to release their games on 70milion plus sold consoles. so when wii u starts picking up in sales then they will rush back and say oh we were just kidding here is the game but then nobody will buy it. D.M.T This developer pretty much confirmed that it doesn’t matter how powerful Nintendo consoles are because most developers will still ignore Nintendo. And people have the nerve to say that the gaming industry is not against Nintendo? Stop lying to yourself, it’s not about Wii U’s poor sales, they just don’t like Nintendo for whatever reason. greengecko007 Could it be because Nintendo spent years ignoring third party developers and what they wanted in a console? Nintendo is trying for third party support, but anyone who thinks every developing team is immediately going to jump on the Wii U just because Nintendo wants third party support this generation is crazy. Daniel Gonzalez My thoughts exactly. NintenScience Really? What about…Electronic Arts when they lied about the hardware performance of Frostbite 3 on the Wii U? Third-partydevelopers/publishers/distributors can also be equally as guilty as Nintendo Co., Ltd. Guest WARNING: @disqus_aWDc4YmJcG:disqus may corrode your skin when you post this comment. D.M.T Why should Nintendo care about what 3rd party developers want in a console? Nintendo isn’t paid by 3rd party developers to develop consoles so again i ask why should Nintendo care? Nintendo makes consoles with their own money so they can do whatever they want with their consoles. 3rd parties don’t have a say in what goes in a console. Sony and Microsoft listens to 3rd parties because they are puppets but Nintendo doesn’t listen to anyone but themselves. Stop defending 3rd party devs dude, they don’t have a right to be against Nintendo. greengecko007 Why should Nintendo care? If you want people to develop games for your product, you make your product developer friendly, it’s not a hard concept. “Sony and Microsoft listens to 3rd parties because they are puppets” Call them what you want, but they have third party support because they have a relationship with those companies. You don’t create relationships by blowing everyone else off. “Stop defending 3rd party devs dude, they don’t have a right to be against Nintendo.” Actually, they do. Unless Nintendo pays out to third party companies, which they don’t and have no reason too, third party companies have every right to develop for whatever platform they feel meets their needs. D.M.T The Wii U is a developer friendly console. Games can be ported to Wii U in like 6 months or less. The problem is that developers these days are lazy which is why they want consoles to be like gaming PCs and Nintendo doesn’t support their laziness. I called them puppets because that’s not a relationship, it’s just Sony and Microsoft doing what 3rd party developers tells them to do. Sony and Microsoft think that 3rd party developers run the gaming industry and that they can’t survive without their support, that’s why they listen to them. Nintendo knows they need 3rd party support to be successful but they don’t need their support to survive so Nintendo is not a puppet. Nintendo wants a real relationship with 3rd parties, they don’t want to become their puppet. No they DON’T have a right to be against Nintendo because Nintendo isn’t being paid to make consoles that “meets their needs”. A talented AND hardworking developer will make games for every console regardless of how powerful or developer friendly it is. Untalented, greedy AND lazy developers will complain about a console not meeting their “needs”. You fail to realize that the whole gaming industry will be doomed if Nintendo becomes a puppet like Sony and Microsoft. 3rd party developers will run the gaming industry if that happens and that’s not good for us gamers because all consoles will have DRM, micro-transactions, unfinished games, paid DLC etc. WAKE UP DUDE, Nintendo is trying to change the gaming industry for the better while 3rd parties are trying to ruin everything, stop defending 3rd party devs. greengecko007 You’re telling me to wake up, but you’re blinded by hate towards third party companies for some reason… Feel free to disregard third party developers and untalented and lazy whilst 3rd party games make games that continue to be awarded GOTY. Regardless, I’m glad Nintendo isn’t like you, and actually is trying to have a relationship with third party companies. But even so, you can’t expect everyone to jump on board after Nintendo spent years telling them, “Don’t like how we designed our console? Go somewhere else then.” Many developers have done just that, and have an already established fanbase on other consoles or PC. Why should they risk losing money on the Wii U when they can just keep on what they are used to doing and continue to make money? That’s their mindset. D.M.T It’s not blind hate WTF? I explained in DETAILS why I don’t like 3rd party companies. You call me blind but I’m seeing things that you are unable to see because you are too busy blaming Nintendo for everything. I told you to wake up because you’re living in a fantasy world where 3rd party devs are doing “great” things for the gaming industry and Nintendo are just evil. You couldn’t be more wrong. 3rd party games are awarded GOTY because of hype and popularity don’t you get it? It’s a popularity contest, GTA 5 won GOTY because it’s the most popular game of 2013. You’re glad Nintendo is not like me? LOL most of my games are 3rd party but I won’t blindly defend the developers like you. And yes you’re right, Nintendo is trying to have a relationship with 3rd party companies, a REAL relationship. Nintendo will not bend over to 3rd party devs just to please you. Nintendo will not become a sell out just to make you happy. Why are you mad at Nintendo for having that mentality? I wish Sony and Microsoft would tell them to go somewhere else if they don’t like how they designed their consoles. 3rd party devs aren’t paying them to design consoles that meet their “needs” so they shouldn’t have a say in how a console is designed. Sony and Microsoft are making 3rd party companies feel like they run the gaming industry and that is BAD NEWS for us gamers don’t you get it? The Xbox One had DRM because 3rd party companies wanted DRM and PS4 was gonna have DRM too. 3rd party companies are making the gaming industry worse and worse every generation and Nintendo is actually trying to make things BETTER by showing everyone how it’s done. This is why Nintendo is different from Sony and Microsoft because they actually CARE about the gaming industry, they aren’t in it just for the money like Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo refuses to support 3rd party companies’ laziness and greediness and I’m proud of Nintendo for that. “Why should they risk losing money on the Wii U when they can just keep on what they are used to doing and continue to make money?” Because sometimes you have to take risks if you want to make even more money. If they can make one good, complete game for the Wii U then they could make even more money and make their fanbase even bigger! You will never become more successful until you try and they aren’t trying with the Wii U. Try making a game that Nintendo fans will like, take full advantage of the Wii U architecture and then see if Nintendo fans will buy your game or not. If they don’t buy it then ok don’t make games for Wii U anymore but if they do buy it then great, you gain more fans now and you’re making even more money now! This is the mindset they should have. WAKE UP DUDE, WAKE UP!!! Stop blaming Nintendo for everything and look at what 3rd party companies are doing wrong too. greengecko007 I’m calling you blind because you are blind. “I told you to wake up because you’re living in a fantasy world where 3rd party devs are doing “great” things for the gaming industry and Nintendo are just evil.” Yes, I’m defending 3rd party companies. No, I never said Nintendo is evil. Nintendo is the developer and publisher of my favorite games and franchises. “Nintendo will not bend over to 3rd party devs just to please you. Nintendo will not become a sell out just to make you happy.” I never said they should do that. In fact, I said the opposite when I said “Unless Nintendo pays out to third party companies, which they don’t and have no reason too”. Nintendo doesn’t need to buy support. “Why are you mad at Nintendo for having that mentality?” I’m not mad at them. I merely explaining to you that because they have that mentality, 3rdp parties aren’t going to magically be all buddy buddy with them. “Because sometimes you have to take risks if you want to make even more money” It’s hilariously ironic that you ridicule 3rd party companies by calling them greedy, yet you think they should risk losing money to make even more money. These companies are content with making a profit. You’re the greedy one. “WAKE UP DUDE, WAKE UP!!! Stop blaming Nintendo for everything and look at what 3rd party companies are doing wrong too.” No, you need to “WAKE UP”. I haven’t blamed Nintendo for anything. But I see I’m wasting my time. Judging from your reply to me, you obviously aren’t reading my comments because you are blinded by hate. I’ve said nothing negative about Nintendo, but because I’ve gone and defended other companies, I may as well be damning Nintendo. In short, you’re the biggest fanboy on this website. Ice Climbers ^THIS. 3rd parties like Activision and EA need to go. They have too much power in this industry. Sony and Microsoft are too blind to see this. D.M.T They have so much power that it’s becoming dangerous for everyone. Sony and Microsoft know how much power they have but they don’t care because they just want to make money. verymetal Here is an idea for everyone that is upset with 3rd party developers regarding the Wii U…Why not get the console that has the games on it that you want to play? Also, Nintendo even admits that its there own responsibility in driving sales that will attract more 3rd parties. Look at the sales numbers for most 3rd party games and one could clearly see why they are running from the Wii U. For example, the Wii U has roughly 4 million systems sold compared to PS4’s 2 million, but when you see that the same game for both systems sells 3 times as more on PS4 than Wii U what does that tell you? Adam Howell Because some people want to play both nintendo games and the odd 3rd party game and cant afford two consoles. The PS4 has only just launched, you cant compare ratios like that. Of course, after 2 million people get their new console they’re going to be in the mood to buy games for it. But you are right, third party’s traditionally sell badly on Nintendo because many people just buy the 1st party games. darkcreap It is unfortunately very clear. Se for instance Assassin’s Creed 4: roughly 80,000 copies for an install base of 3 or 4 million WiiUs. PS4: 750,000 copies for an install base of 2.4 million. New Super Mario Bros on WiiU? 2.68 million. It pisses me off, because I buy a lot of Nintendo games (Pikmin, New Super Mario, Mario 3d World, Zelda Wind Waker HD, Virtual Console, etc), but I also like third party games like Assassin’s Creed, Call of Duty (multiplayer), Darksiders and possibly Watch Dogs. I also have Toki Tori, The Cave, Trine 2, etc. I also have ZombiU (although it is not my cup of tea). I have always been a Nintendo fan (only had Nintendo systems since my childhood, I have never been attracted to other systems. Not fanboyism, it is simply I prefer Nintendo’s style), but I also need third party games. Of course, the problem is that I am not a representative member of the whole audience. It seems most Nintendo gamers prefer either to buy third party games for other consoles or simply they do not like other than Nintendo games. I could buy other consoles, but for power I prefer a PC. For me, the only consoles I think really useful are Nintendo’s because they have the best first party IMHO. Most other games you can find them on PC, so why having 2 or 3 consoles and a PC? Of course, it is my personal preference. For me, the ideal situation would be to have as much software as I can for my WiiU. It is not so powerful as a PC or the other consoles, but the gamepad and the Nintendo exclusives are things I can’t get in the other systems. I do not count PS Vita remote play for two reasons: it is not so tightly engineered and because you need to buy a full handheld to have it (expensive), while the gamepad is just a pure controller (cheaper). PaulyG People complain that Wii U never gets any 3rd party support, but then they do, you don’t buy it. Nintendo should just stick to 1st party games since theit beloved fans never buy any other games that doesn’t have Nintendo on it. Nuff said D.M.T I agree but at the same time I disagree with you. Yes Nintendo fans are known for wanting things they can’t have and then when they finally get it, they don’t buy it. But why is it that when they get it they don’t buy it? One of the main reasons they don’t buy it is because Nintendo fans don’t trust 3rd party developers. 3rd party developers are known for giving us inferior versions of their games and we don’t support inferior versions of any game. Another reason is because the 3rd party games we get are usually from lower quality compared to Nintendo’s 1st party games. Zuxs13 To some degree yeah, but then there is Monster Hunter, Just Dance, Skylanders, and now Disney Infinity are all selling very well on Nintendo products. There are many other 3rd party franchises that do as well. Nintendo’s core audience tend to like a different type of game, although Dark Souls is a lot like MH. coatlesscarl This is precisely why Nintendo should stop wasting their time trying to court 3rd parties. A gameplay first RPG with a high degree of difficulty sounds like exactly the thing Nintendo fans would like. It’s the same with Kingdom Hearts III. Apparently, there isn’t an audience on Wii U, but there is on Xbox One? Give me a break. 3rd parties won’t release their games on Nintendo home consoles no matter what. Nintendo should just grow their stable of in house studios and become self sufficient. Add more Monolith Softs and Retro Studios and whatnot. Adam Howell Nintendo doesn’t make games on their consoles they don’t think will sell to a Nintendo audience either. They should be trying to cultivate an audiance on their consoles for other types of games but they don’t. At least not enough. For example, they don’t localise many JRPG’s for the west because they don’t think there’s a western audience. They might be right, but they could build an audience by supplying the games and slowly getting more and more people hooked on them. And the Jrpg fans in the west will find Nintendo consoles are the right match for them. coatlesscarl Thing is, even if there were an abundant audience for 3rd party offerings 3rd parties would still exclude Nintendo’s consoles. Take the 3DS, for example. The audience for that system has embraced 3rd parties of all kinds, and has a massive lead in install base over the Vita, but 3rd parties are still throwing exclusives at Sony’s handheld. Even if the Wii U were to somehow outsell the PS4 and Xbox One combined 3:1, 3rd parties would continue to support those two systems and not Nintendo’s. Zuxs13 Because they throw money at the 3rd parties and offer exclusive time periods or DLC’s and pay them a bunch for it. Big N doesn’t do that. Daniel Gonzalez I call that smart business. I’m okay if Nintendo doesn’t want to do that, but then they get left behind for choosing not to. Leo In 50 years Nintendo will own all of those companies and save them from bankruptcy. Don’t worry. NINTENDOMINATION is the future. XD Justagamer Than you won’t mind if i never buy dark souls for it it’s not for me and never will..say for me..NO! Zuxs13 I think you just proved his point. Daniel Gonzalez True story. Justagamer Nah not really! Zuxs13 you really just did. you appear to be a Nintendo gamer, but you said you will never buy this game. This is exactly why they wont release such an awesome game on the Wii U, fans like you. Justagamer No what it is like most of them they are too lazy to make it for wii u..Big word LAZY! Sperling They didn’t port it to the WiiU and PSVita because those systems haven’t sell much yet. They tryed to be diplomatic, but that’s just my opinion… Petri Diplomatic? His initial response was “Hahahahaha…. No”. I guess he tried to fish out for Nintendo hating console fanboys? We’ll see how that works out for them, but as for now, lost my 60€. Shagrath1983 we as a complete fanbase cannot walk the walk we want more, from third parties but when cod, splinter cell, sonic and even injustice come out sales are poo poo. Thats why i am pairing my wii u with my X1, Online gaming and more “adult” games to go with my sweet Nintendo fix. Remember guys Nintendo sells Nintendo games where as Sony and microsoft mainly sell 3rd party content, no shame in that but hats off to Nintendo for being man enough to carry there own weight. Eduardo Wii u only gets quality games not quantity. I would of been too busy playing a better game than that anyway. Zuxs13 Dark Souls is a pretty amazing game. Daniel Gonzalez Indeed it is. Josie the Sketcher Oh well! Don’t worry as there will be better games than Dark Souls 2 😉 such as Bayonetta 2 and Monolith soft’s X Fred They’re right. Look at the sales of Splinter Cell Lil J Moore That game did terrible on all the consoles.what’s your point? Bob Wilkerson Not to mention that it was intentionally crippled by the game developer/publisher ONLY for the Wii U version. Crippled Game=Poor(er) sales Agent721 The developer is right. I’ve never liked that series (not much fun…too bleak), but I would imagine most Wii U users skew too young to enjoy it. This is a very punishing series. Michael Rowlands Nintendo needs to push third party games more if there going to get more third party support…All they do is push Nintendo games….now I don’t no about you guys put I didn’t buy a wii u for Mario and Zelda….if they don’t do something they are going to lose all third party support and if I remember Reggie did say you could play third party games and Nintendo games Zuxs13 The do need to do more work on the 3rd party support. Their effort in pushing MH3 and 4 is a good sign. I wish they would do it with Kingdom Hearts, that was a hugely successful franchise on Nintendo. Reason This sucks but I can’t care less about any multiplatform game I will just play it on PC. My wiiU only for exclusives Zuxs13 you just proved his point. Javier Vega Honestly, Temco Koei might have a better chance with a new Zelda title.As for Bandai Namco and From Software they might as well worry about Wii U audience not buying from them. jhell hater wiimenonowiiu If it ever comes to the wii u i will buy it. but not on Ps4 or xbox Daniel Gonzalez It’s not on PS4. Satoru Iwata Don’t worry my Nintendo fans.They will be sorry when Dark Link releases next year. We think fans will love to see Hyrule in Dark Souls style. Please understand. Adam Howell !!! You are the real deal… and you are telling me what I want to hear… Nobody else believes you’re you but I do… Because I understand!!!!! Sydney Ultrasyd XD Eiji Aonuma I wish you would stop springing these projects on me like this, I’m still busy having to oversee the production of Hyrule Warriors and the other title not announced for the handheld systems yet. Not to mention we are still developing Zelda for Wii U. Kinhas who cares… ill be playin Wii sports Golf! YEAH Daniel Carvalho I see a lot of developers missing the chance of achieving a greater audience, and thus, making more profit. We do have the problem of the lack of installed base for third party games on Nintendo home consoles, of course, but that’s because it has been like that for more than 10 years now! You can’t really expect your third party game to sell equally on Wii U as it does on PS3/4 and Xbox 360/One as soon as you launch it. But the reason isn’t because third party games don’t sell on Nintendo consoles, or because “mature” games don’t have place on a Nintendo hardware. The problem is that only one or another third party multiplatform comes to Nintendo home consoles; if someone wants to buy games from third parties, they’ll go for PS/Xbox/PC, since they are the home of third party support. Those gamers think like this: “it’s great that this game came to Wii U, but its continuation is coming for the other consoles, so I’ll get my version on them as well” or “Great, a multiplatform title for Wii U. Shame it’s only one, if there were more I’d get it on my Nintendo console.” Think of it like this: there are three rope bridges. They’re all wavering, but there are three people, one in front of each bridge, who want to cross to the other side. The bridges are all the same: very unstable and could throw you into the abyss just with the wind. A developer comes to the first bridge, holds it with all his strength and says “Come! I won’t let it go!”. The first person crosses the bridge, and the developer doesn’t let go of it until the gamer reaches the other side. The developer then goes to the second bridge and says “Come! I won’t let it go!”; the second person crosses the bridge, and the developer doesn’t let it go until the gamer is on the other side. He then sees the third bridge, and the last person eager to cross the bridge as well, but the developer doesn’t go to the bridge; he just stands there, looking at the gamer and saying to himself “if he comes, I’ll go hold it for him, but until he does that, I’m not moving!”. Time passes, the gamer is still in front of the bridge, but he doesn’t try to cross it. The developer then decides to go to it, holds it with ONE HAND, kinda sleepy, waves his right hand signing to the gamer to cross the bridge, and proceeds to look at the other two bridges, worried that someone may appear and try to cross them. Of course, the gamer isn’t going to cross that bridge; the developer clearly doesn’t care for him. If he tries to cross it, the wind will bring him down while the developer worries about the other two that have already crossed. Heck, he is right handed, but he’s holding my bridge with his left hand! So, either the gamer moves to one of the other two bridges, and have the developer hold them with all his strength, or he simply won’t ever reach the other side. And you know what the developer is thinking? “What’s wrong with that guy? He doesn’t want to cross, but he keeps standing in front of the bridge! I’m doing EXACTLY what I did for the other two, but he won’t budge! Well, I’m letting this bridge go, then”. The gamer may even shout from the other side “Hold the bridge for me like you did for the other two ones, I want to cross it too!” but the developer will only think he’s lying, I mean, “he didn’t cross when I was holding it half-heartedly and looking at the other side, why would he cross if I hold it with all my strength and tell him I won’t let it go no matter what?” And it’s this kind of distorted logic that developers use when they decide to work on titles for Nintendo hardware. The way to make third party multiplatform titles sell well on Nintendo home console is simple: patience and perseverance. One or another game isn’t gonna cut it, you need a few years of support, giving good games (not those poorly made ports lacking key features), same kind of service to all platforms, be it internet connectivity, local multiplayer, extra features, DLC, whatever it is, be fair and give it all to everyone. If you show that your support to Nintendo consoles is consistent and not wavering, the installed base will grow. Remember: your installed base is where you develop for! The reason Most Tales of fans are on PS3 is because Bandai Namco Games developed more for it than for Xbox and Wii. They launched remakes, exclusives, supported those games with internet connectivity, DLCs, and other features on Sony home consoles. For other consoles, they simply launched the game “crude” and waited for some results to decide what they would do to improve it; they didn’t see sales, so they quit. That’s how third parties decide how they’re going to work on Nintendo systems: they launch something slightly better than a Beta Version and watch; if it doesn’t sell like a Triple A title, they move on to another platform. But on that other platform, they launch a complete Triple A game, and compare that to how poorly the Beta Version did on Nintendo’s side to decide what they’re developing for during the next generation. You can’t really say they’re even pretending to be fair! Of course, this is just a shallow vision, but it sums up pretty well how third parties decide to “support” Nintendo home consoles. They want their installed base to grow on Nintendo’s side while they look away, and get angry at the Kyouto based company if it doesn’t happen. You know much profit they could be making with a proper support? Well, let me give you this scenario: using the Wii, Nintendo managed to make those who never came in contact to a gaming platform before to buy a video game – the results you all know: it was the best selling console of the last generation. So, someone who owns a Wii would look at a Triple A game and think “Hm… it’s one of those games I see my children playing. I’m not really interested in those games, but hey! It’s on Wii! I love Wii! It’s easy to play, really fun, and I can call my friends or family to play with me! Maybe I could try this game!” You see how many opportunities third parties lose when they decide to not develop for Nintendo? Imagine how many non-gamers they could’ve turned into gamers, just like Nintendo did with Wii Sports! Imagine how many parents would be playing Tales of with their children, or how many grandparents would be telling stories about the WWII while camping against their grandchildren. How many would be playing Dark Souls after a tiresome session of Wii Fit! That’s why I say “from a third party developer perspective, it’s just plain stupid to neglect one platform”. You’re neglecting money, profit, a great variety of players who could be buying your game! wober2 Any game that takes a lot of patient farming would be great on the wiiu. love the offscreen play for rpgs… Gabe Hoffman This is what drive me nuts the most Wii U would work quite well with Dark Souls Miiverse integration you know. And the gamepad can enhance a lot of genres but developers just can’t seem to see it. I would have to disagree on the audience part. I think those who enjoy Monster Hunter would enjoy Dark Souls C4 “And the gamepad can enhance a lot of genres but developers just can’t seem to see it.” Especially when you can’t pause the game 😛 C4 So huh that’s for Japan, right? People seem to ignore Nintys stationary consoles for some reason, even IPs like Zelda or Metroid aren’t that popular as far as I know and the huge popularity of the SNES (SFC) was mainly because of all the great RPGs of its time. Of course the Wii was successful for its own reason on the other hand, and I agree so far that a part of the Wii audience probably wouldn’t enjoy Dark Souls or similar games. Zuxs13 What does this article have to do with Japan? Dark Souls 2 is not Japanese only.. C4 The producer is japanese, so I think he knows the japanese market best, and there is a risk that it won’t sell especially when it would be released at the same day as the PS3 version. If he doesn’t calculate with the worldwide audience and userbase I think what he says could make sense, considering the game is supposed to be kind of a niche game which just suddenly got a bit more popular 😉 Guest That’s… so stupid. The people who enjoyed the first game won’t enjoy the second? Can’t they just admit it’s because they don’t think the WiiU has an install base large enough to sell the numbers they want? Petri Dark Souls for 360 sold about 770k. How big was that user base again? PS3 version sold decent 1.6M. PC sales not even worth mentioning, NintenScience Then again…another company that either supports or gets paid by Electronic Arts. Facepalm RyuNoHadouken No… Guest Yes* Guest @disqus_aWDc4YmJcG:disqus SkateRyan I own a Wii U, and I’d try out Dark Souls II on it. Hell, it would be the first game in the series that I would buy. Bringing it to Wii U would make me interested in it. See there? You lost a potential customer. Rinslowe I guess we all know by now the install base isn’t really there for third parties to invest in Wii U porting. And that may be so, but as you say… Even if they come back to the system later when the inevitable rise becomes a soar in 2014 and third parties start to get interested, I’m thinking some of those – like EA – won’t have a great time selling their games on Wii U anyway. Some gamer’s just won’t support them and for good reason. Of course if EA approved an original spin off of the Mass Effect Series AND released an optimised Mass Effect Trilogy edition, I would totally back track on all past EA slandering and label them awesome. But we both know that’ll never happen. Those EA a$$clowns. Daniel Gonzalez I think their ignorance has enough of a “Mass Effect” if you ask me. Rinslowe Pretty much, yeah (Assuming you are also referring to EA)… Mass Effect is together with Zelda one of my all time favourite series. EA may never redeem themselves but Mass Effect needs to live on. Better the devil you know right… Bob Wilkerson Raise your hand if you would buy more 3rd party games if they would actually treat the consoles fairly. But since some developers/publishers go out of their way to snub Nintendo you just pass them up completely. D2K It’s not on the Wii U because the entire Dark Souls franchise to date has sold less than 3 million copies world wide across all the systems it has been released on. More than likely the company suffered HUGE financial losses on the game and do not have the ability to buffer in the meantime to make a Wii U version from scratch because of developers being either lazy or incompetent. It’s called “spin” ladies and gentleman. It’s designed to fish for support from brainless fan-boys and trolls that are too stupid to know any better. Namco is another company that is not doing well financially but instead of using Nintendo as an ally they are expecting the PS4 and XBOX One to come charging to the rescue. The fact that the most popular version of Soul Calibur II did not come to the Wii U was my first indication that Namco was on that other **** and could not be trusted going forward. Petri Pretty lame excuse. This game could be good for those who liked Zombi U, Monster Hunter and Ninja Gaiden. Granted Ninja Gaiden sold pretty poorly. Dark Souls for 360 sold around 770k copies, and not even half of that on PC. But I think Dark Souls for Wii U could sell enough to justify the port, as long as they would not give it the red haired stepson treatment. But I guess I’ll buy their game after couple of months on steam for 50% off. X3Charlie Wii U has no 3rd party games so I’m not gonna buy one…. Wii U doesn’t have a big enough install base so we’re not going to bring our 3rd party games… Cesar Barroso Monster Hunter Tri on Wii: 2.13 million copies sold on that console alone. Dark Souls: 2.37 copies sold on two consoles. Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate Wii U: 440 thousands copies sold on a 2.1 million install base. Rate attach: 20%. Come again? Leo Most of those companies will always play it safe, it will be necessary just one company that makes a daring move that works and only then whole cattle follows, that’s how it works. David Trail Zelda is like Dark Souls. Darksouls seems more like a Nintendo game than a PS4 or Xbox game. He clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about! MujuraNoKamen Zelda is comparable to Dark Souls but the difference comes in the Maturity aspect of the games. Zelda is generally rated 12 whereas Dark Souls is rated “Mature” and given the way every Mature game on Wii U seems to stumble it’s not a risk they want to take. David Trail How much did Dark Souls sell on 360/ ps3? If it was on Wii U. It would sell about the same or more as both the 360 and Ps3 versions as it isn’t a typical shooter which Sony and MS fans love. Petri It sold moderately on PS3, about 1.6M. Shit on 360 (less than half of PS3 sales) and abysmal on PC. Think they should have tried to reconsider their options. Like Platinum Games. I think this game actually might have a change on Wii U, if given proper treatment. MujuraNoKamen Apparently it sold sold about 770k on 360, on PS3 a it sold a decent 1.6M. PC sales not even worth mentioning according to Petri. And that was with fairly high user bases. I think it would get a some interest on Wii U but it’s a risk given how low games like ZombiU and W101 have sold despite all the interest they got from Wii U owners. So from a business perspective they were right but until Nintendo becomes more open to mature games, we wont get this sort of stuff. David Trail Multiplats like Rayman Legends sell more on Wii U. Make a crap multiplat like Mass Effect 3 and it will not. Simples. David Trail Not a bigger enough install base…? 4.6 million > 2.5 mil Petri Its not coming for PS4 or xbone. And wasn’t his argument “not our target audience”, rather than install base? Though since he says it was company decision, I think it was more the install base. Their game does not sell that well on platforms with huge install bases either. David Trail Wii U fans won’t enjoy this game??? Monster Hunter, Zelda and X say hi Nintendo Dragon I’d buy it on Wii U….. Untrentide Thats unfortunate. This will have to be another title i’ll have to wait for a PC release of. Boss Hoss Honestly Im not suprised companyoflosers well that sure as hell wont change if you refuse to make it for wii u! developers complain the audience isnt there on nintendo consoles for these types of games, but its a “build it and they will come” sort of deal here. its not nintendo, its YOUR hesitation to publish and work with nintendo! DragonSilths He is partially right. I have a Wii U and I have no interest in his game. Though to be honest I don’t really support 3rd party devs in general. Bungie, and Namco Bandai with their Tales games is about it. I just don’t respect much 3rd party devs. Guest Wait… I’m not a “hardcore” gamer, but isn’t this terribly ironic? I remember Jim Sterling of The Escapist ranting about Dark Souls II as an example where the gaming industry attempts to “appeal to a wider audience” or “widen the net” for an already well-made game with a dedicated niche audience (Dark Souls): http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7340-Guns-Blazing And here we are with one of the same guys saying Dark Souls II is not for Wii U owners? I wonder if this is not about “audience,” but expected returns? Maybe people more versed in the politics of the gaming industry can give more insightful commentary. Michael Erick Reyes http://kotaku.com/5875833/the-dark-souls-pc-petition-has-namco-bandais-attention Well we could always petition it worked for the pc last time Petri There already is a petition for it. Sitting at 17k signs. Xavier Lopez Chabelo Shit… I really wanted this game, well… at least I have a PC. But yeah… the Wii U really need these kind of games… it really need them… Xavier Lopez Chabelo Too bad, because the Wii U hardcore audience really love the action-adventure games. Simon Stevens Can’t say I’m sorry to miss out to be honest, feel sorry for the ones who may have wanted it though, I doubt they’d be saying that if the install base was larger, yes the average Wii U crowd probably doesn’t take an interest in these sort of games, but the whole point is to attract more gamers to the system than just the Nintendo fans and family crowd, third parties aren’t helping the cause at all, I could look at this as a bad thing but I’d rather see it in the light of the game not being good enough for the system, simply put, it’s not kawaii, not even a little. Rinslowe I’m definitely the core audience for this title and I will be enjoying it. But missing it on Wii U? Not so much. Actually, I’m on the edge of my seat for 2014 already and gaming on Wii U… Guest @Rinslowe:disqus, please sort out the discussion between me and @disqus_aWDc4YmJcG:disqus. Rinslowe Fighting your own battles builds character… Whatever the issue, I’m sure you two will work it out? 🙂 NintenScience However, I am afraid of @Daniel Gonzalez, because of the discussions that @Daniel Gonzalez has had with other people. He is an aggressive human. I must find a way to stop the reaction @Daniel Gonzalez gives to me. NintenScience And I am quite sure @disqus_aWDc4YmJcG:disqus will post a hateful reply to this comment. @rinslowecalrision:disqus, I need your help in this… Guest Uh oh… Rinslowe Are you for real? What have I done to deserve this interruption of my morning coffee and surfing of my favourite Wii U site? This is my wake up ritual you are making noise on here… Please dial it down. 🙂 NintenScience I have seen you comment a lot to the comments of @disqus_aWDc4YmJcG:disqus, so I think you can help in this. Edit: Ok, I’ll calm myself… Yoshifan3 its pretty sad that you have to have someone else fight your battles. be a fucking man and defend yourself for once. oh and btw, daniel hasnt been doing anything wrong, its you. if you are really scared of someone on the internet, i would hate to see how much of a coward you are in real life. Guest Stop replying to me. Yoshifan3 um no, this is a public place, so i will do as i please kid. NintenScience Why do you hate me so much? Yoshifan3 who said i hated you? im trying to be give you advice. defend yourself for once. NintenScience “who said i hated you” Look at your comment below: http://wiiudaily.com/2013/12/dark-souls-ii-on-wii-u#comment-1171897350 Yoshifan3 allright, yes i said that and im sorry. i should not have said that. see? your defending yourself. its not that hard. anyway, just go to bed, or if you live in another country, just cool off and go play video games. NintenScience Thank you. Happy gaming! =D ilovegoogleglass You’re the wrong person to get advice from…. NintenScience @ilovegoogleglass:disqus!! Guest Someone is replying to your comment. Beware… Petri http://www.destructoid.com/namco-bandai-seems-to-want-dark-souls-for-mobile-267833.phtml And with this, I’m done with this topic. Logic The only one here to blame is Nintendo. Something should have been done in the first place. The reason why these 3rd party developers are afraid to put their games on the Wii U is due to the lack of sales. As we all should know, the objective behind the creation of video games is pure profit. The problem here is that the Wii U has seen an underwhelming number in sales (to present day) and 3rd party developers are hardly selling their games out there. This scares future 3rd party developers. People in the comments are counter arguing with “well, I don’t need those games. 1st party games are all I need.” The fact is that Nintendo cannot support the Wii U with just first party titles. The lack of third party support is clearly damaging sales on the Wii U and has proven so throughout the Wii U’s lifetime. We have to support third party developers more (not ripped off version of games like Mass Effect 3 ,which was pointless), but great full content games like (Assassins Creed 4). Bottom line is Nintendo needs to step up third party support (through campaigns, deals etc.) to attract people to the console. Right now, there isn’t very much support for the Wii U, thus people have reason not to buy it. Compared to all console gamer out there, the ones who have the Wii U in mind are very few. Nintendo needs to solve this problem. jrob23 the problem with supporting 3rd party by buying their games for the Wii instead of on other systems is that, like for AC4…the best version is on the PS4. There is zero excuse for that at this stage of the PS4’s life (meaning, games on it shouldn’t be any better graphically than on Wii U…unlike in a year or two when you will see bigger differences, but Ubi didn’t put in the effort to make it so. So why buy it on a Wii U.. Personally I don’t care for the AC game as the fighting blows and it seems so repetitive, but if I was to get it, I’d buy it for my PS4. Same goes for Watchdogs. Many many people are very excited for this game. Now this can go two ways. It can come out and be identical graphics wise across all next gen consoles, except the gamepad gives the Wii U the advantage…and might push some people to consider buying a Wii U….or..it could (like AC4) look noticeably better on the PS4 and Xbox one (even though at present the Wii U should be able to do most of what any dev can throw at it), and not use the game pad in a way to really differentiate the need to have it on a Wii U. In scenario one, a good amount of Wii U owners buy the game, as they have been waiting for great gamepad use and a top notch 3rd party multi plat. This might entice those on the fence to buy a Wii U because they will see it is capable both in graphics but also offers a unique gameplay experience over the others. Win win for everyone!! However, it most likely will be scenario 2. It is decent but better on the other consoles. Nobody is enticed to buy a Wii U, not that many Wii U owners buy it, Ubi gets pissed and throws in the towel. Nothing changes…we rely on Nintendo games to keep us happy. I am okay with that. Lots of you aren’t though. Let’s hope for scenario 1 but expect scenario 2 Hulkamania audience is too different? ya, nintendo fans are more loyal, more legendary, more awesome… stop discriminating against us and give us everything. the opinion of a producer or developer shouldn’t matter because the prejudice is very obvious. Daniel Gonzalez Hulk, it’s time for retirement. I think wrestling for too long has made you senile. NintenScience haha jrob23 Honestly, who cares? The guy wasn’t laughing at the Wii U. He was laughing at the thought of the game on the Wii U. Why get mad? It’s not exactly going to sell well so why would they do it? Just because it MIGHT turn a couple of people onto it, or make some MHT fans happy? This isn’t Minecraft, Journey, or Ni No Kuni which all might have actually sold on a Nintendo console….it’s an extremely hardcore game and the Wii U is not the console of choice for that. I am not there aren’t Wii Owners who would buy it, but let’s be real, even if it came it would most likely be gimped or missing something due to lack of effort. We will all have to wait and see how Watchdogs does. If Ubi puts in the proper effort they can make the Wii U version the definitive one due to the perfect use of the gamepad. If not, it’s pretty safe to assume that the Wii U is pretty much doomed as far as 3rd party goes. I say this because Ubi has shown the ability to make Rayman the best version to buy and if they do with Watchdogs, and it is released at the same time as the others, and still fails to sell…well forget about it then. They won’t continue to put in resources for a dead console. Not that I care, 1st party games are enough and my P4 will handle the rest, especially if they can manage to get some PS3 games on it (I keep hearing rumors!!!). Daniel Gonzalez Exactly. To be honest, even if it wasn’t gimped, it still would most likely sell poorly because there aren’t enough Nintendo fans that would want the game. Most Nintendo fans are waiting on Zelda, Smash Bros or Mario Kart. Those games appeal to them. So why do people bother to complain that they don’t get third party? If you truly want it, then there needs to be enough out there that are actually going to buy it, not people who are just voicing it should be on Wii U just out of disappointment. I do agree some effort from third party is needed, but they need actual gamers to buy these games to continue to develop for the Wii U. If fans are going to stick to the “I only buy Nintendo games” routine every generation, then you reap what you sow. Rinslowe I don’t get it, what you’re saying ultimately. As there are just too many assumptions and some possible stereotyping going on in all of that… Them, as in people who like those types of games…right? I would think that considering further than just being Nintendo exclusive titles they actually fit within certain genres which all people “like” on occasion. Zelda is an RPG, it’s not the same as Elder Scrolls or Mass Effect, but they all share similar aspects which link them together in being an RPG. Smash Bros is a fighting game, plain and simple – Sure it has it’s differences but that’s a given considering so does MK and Soul Calibur or even Street Fighter. Mario Kart is a racer, a kart racer granted but a racer nonetheless. My point which is bordering on the obvious is that not all people who “do not” own a Nintendo platform are going to dislike these games because they are coloured with Nintendo’s flavour – In the same way not all gamer’s who own only Nintendo’s platforms are going to dislike any other titles within their preferred gaming genres, not on their platform. Essentially there is no “them”. There are only gamer’s when discussing games… I personally believe that it is with your own strong opinion only (strong not being a negative here), who thinks that any Nintendo platform owner is a “I only buy Nintendo games” type. In fact – this – from a small minority of gamer’s was borne from most third party games – ported – having not stacked up to the same level of quality and finish that can be found from Nintendo’s own first party content. That is where the minority is coming from with that. IMO. Daniel Gonzalez You’re entitled to your opinion Rinslowe, and I respect that. From what I’ve seen over the years, I’ve seen too many Nintendo fans with this attitude, so it’s more than a minority. Keep in mind, I never said all Nintendo fans were like that. I’ll make that clear incase if I failed to before. There have been plenty of good third party exclusives in the past, and most of them didn’t sell enough to satisfy third parties. Of course, it varies from one third party to another. It’s not a big deal though, maybe they’ll make a Zelda Dark Souls sorta game later in the year. I can kinda imagine it now…… Guest Legend of Zelda: Dark Souls Edition Rinslowe Although a Dark Souls Zelda edition would be novel. I would prefer an original Dark Souls and an Original Zelda instead. 🙂 I believe minority is the accurate term to use regarding our previous topic. And majority of people “you” have come across on same topic. jrob23 Zombiu is perfect example of a 3rd party game, that is historically not a ‘Nintendo type’ game that proves both positions. It is unlike most Nintendo games, aimed at a more mature audience and 3rd party. It sold fairly well considering it being what it is, and being on a Nintendo console. It may have done even better if there was some more advertising and a bit more polish was put into it (maybe delayed until Feb. when there was that major lull). Still, it sold pretty lousy for a supposed system selling helper and 3rd parties took notice. I think it played a major role in the Rayman fiasco. But..I truly believe that if ZombiU had come out as a multi plat, it would have sold 4 times as many. The game is good, but received lower scores than it deserved, scores that I think would have been higher if released on the PS360. So Dark Souls knows there is a)not really a substantial number of Wii U owners who would buy it b) a massive install base for the other two consoles and c) a limited amount of resources to go around and needing to maximize exposure to gain as many dollars per time spend as possible. While I wish 3rd party devs would bite the bullet, take the initial loss, and put out games in order to cultivate an audience over time, as Nintendo has done with their franchises,..the fact remains that they aren’t and likely won’t. So if you want those ultra realistic, dark, mature games, you are going to have to get a gaming PC or PS4one. It’s friggin Nintendo..yeah it’s nice to have some HD ports, as long as they are done well i.e. NFSMW, Deus Ex, Rayman Legends..but Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash, Kart, Kirby and others are the reason we buy their machines. I think it’s fantastic that Bayonetta 2 is coming out. I played TW101 and might pick that up some day. And maybe I will pick B2 up some day…but those games are not typical Nintendo and mark my words..when all is said and done, they won’t sell well at all. Still nice to get them on the Wii U, just not going to sell and we have to learn to accept unless we have financial arrangements like Sony and Microsoft do, 3rd parties won’t come here, and if they do, it will most likely be a decent but not great port. Rinslowe Yeah, I pretty much agree with all of that… Truth be told, if Nintendo can make a successful push in 2014, then I’m fine with what they will release themselves. But that does not mean I do not support third party titles on WiiU. Hardly. Third party games far outweigh first party titles on my U and HD and I think I have all the first party titles of mention. (That is not implying there are not enough WiiU first party hitters, only that there is in fact a no’ of titles released this year and launch from third parties I have invested in). Watchdogs is one title I’m anticipating a lot due to my experience with Deus Ex HRDC on Wii U. Such tight gamepad integration was standout genius IMO. And Ubisofts title looks set to have the same potential. W101 was day one and Bayo 2 will be a day one purchase for me also. I guess seeig as though I’ve been gaming on PC for years I don’t feel as though Nintendo needs to be that one stop shop which some may wish for… Guest Well, @rinslowecalrision:disqus, you should know who you are typing to…it is @disqus_aWDc4YmJcG:disqus. Remember our discussion? http://wiiudaily.com/2013/12/dark-souls-ii-on-wii-u/#comment-1172192278 Rinslowe You mean where you asked for my help on some random topic and I politely declined… That discussion…? Guest Yes. Rinslowe Yeah, that’s what I thought too. Nice little trick by the way… You should probably run a full diagnostics right about now though, lol. Guest What do you mean? Edit: Hello? Rinslowe Hmm hmm hmm 🙂 Smile the world see’s you friend! NintenScience But, why? YOU could have sorted this out… Rinslowe I….Obviously had no such motivation to do so…. 🙂 NintenScience 🙁 Rinslowe It’s not that bad… Turn that frown upside down! NintenScience Ok… 🙂 Rinslowe Exactly. 🙂 DOLBYdigital Hate all you want but you know it would have sold very poorly on the WiiU. Face facts people, I hate to admit it but after trying desperately to get Wii owners to buy the good hardcore games, I have given up on Nintendo fans. They like their first party games, and that’s that… To clarify, I’m a pretty serious gamer that plays games on all platforms… However I’ve learned that Nintendo excels at releasing phenomenal games that appeal to all ages, but they don’t excel at releasing hard core only games… Sorry I’m a bit tipsy which is why the truth is coming out but most realistic gamers would agree. MujuraNoKamen Yep, I’ve been trying to support whatever decent ports come to Wii U like CoD and Splinter Cell all to no avail. People often say “if it’s a good port I’ll buy” but they don’t, Ghosts is a good port, and Wii U its the only next gen version to have free online and it hasn’t done great. ZombiU wasn’t profitable and sold in average numbers despite being the the standout launch title. W101 is a 3rd party exclusive so it’s not like they cut features as with Arkham Origins and it sold poorly despite all the hype we gave it despite being a great game and despite representing everything we love about Nintendo’s games (art style, deep gameplay, imagination etc) It’s OK saying “Nintendo games are the best I’ll buy those instead” because Nintendo games like Zelda and Metroid are the best but it doesn’t mean that other games aren’t worth trying. I find it very hypocritical of Nintendo fans to say they like Nintendo for being different, and for having variety but only a select few titles get any attention. Guest @disqus_aWDc4YmJcG:disqus Guest You can downvote me all you want, but you cannot face your own faults Rodger Jamjet Typical of all 3rd party devs towards the wii u. I’m a very late adopter of Nintendo consoles and find these pathetic devs a cancer in the gaming industry that dislike change and innovation. Nintendo is for me and I’m a gamer through in through. Ivor core games to caudal but there is NO WAY I’m going to waste my money on Sony or MS machine as they bore me. Devs need to grow some balls and stop sucking and depth throating MSONY c#%k Nolan ArchLord Well, I’m just gonna buy it for PS3 anyway. If it were for Wii U, hell yeah I’d support. linxz i wouldn’t buy it on PS3 and wouldn’t buy it on my Wiiu…and I’m a hardcore Monster Hunter. I have the feeling that Nintendo only dedicates resources (money, PR, etc.) to bring over 3rd party games that are solid and have a true long term potential and ability to evolve into something viral. Dark Souls DOES NOT fall in that category. I have played demons and then dark souls and haven’t noticed any difference between the two. I sense the game will be out of fashion before you know it. Squid I wasn’t planning on playing it, never played the first. But seriously, if you include these games on Wii U, it’s very possible that those little CoD kids buy wii U, which will let them grow on Nintendo. jjbredesen I see there point, but this just pisses me of 🙁 Who says that Nintendo gamers dont like dark games? Most of us loved the dark style of TP, and play games like Darksouls a lot. What they should of said is that it would not turn a profit. How is Nintendo going to sell this system if everyone calls it a baby system. I hope the new Zelda is a dark game like TP. Windwaker is one of my fav zelda games but i want a new dark zelda. It would show people that Nintendo is not just a kiddy company. They should also show Metroid at E3 (i don’t think i would be ready) Nintendo consoles can have dark games aswell, Nintendo should make a tv ad that shows of games like AC, COD etc. Sylux Gotta say I can’t really argue with the words the core audience is to different, but also as Ashley says, people who like monster hunter like Darksouls as well, same goes for me, I love MH and I love DS, but the majority of the players, aren’t really big fans of MH, then again WiiU and 3DS probably have the biggest audience on MH ever, whenever I check Miiverse from my 3DS, the MH community is flooded with gamers. So to bluntly say “the core audience is diifferent” I can’t argue that, but I would like to add that I do not argree with that company decision either, probably the main reason is hidden and that is the usual stuff the install base isn’t enough. And so it’ll cost to much money and they won’t earn it back on WiiU Nintendofreak whatever i just want a true hd monter hunter 4 port, able to cross play like mh3u Shigeru Miyamoto it’s Nintendo’s fault not improving relationships with 3rd party devs. they lost support after gamecube when Iwata “please understand i apologize” san took over. Archiq09 if it out on wiiu i will take wiiu version. The last Chozo Oh for gods sake. Adam Fox Not that there is anything wrong with the Wii U, but this is a problem….games not coming to the system b/c they say the audience is different. The audience is “different” b/c games keep getting pushed away from the system. If they would put Dark Souls II on it and these other games that they say don’t belong on the Wii U, then maybe the audience would be what THEY want it to be….but yet, in a way, i’m glad some of these games aren’t coming, b/c in reality, if its on Xbox One and PS4, its just a crowd of mutli-platform games with a FEW IPs…how many IPs does Nintendo have vs Microsoft and Sony….Nintendo has Zelda, Starfox, Pikmin, Mario, Donkey Kong, Metroid….what does Sony have? Jack and Dexter, Kratos…thats about it….Microsoft has Master Chief….if there is more I missed its b/c they haven’t made an impact like Nintendo has….. bd-lt-dnkr 3rd party devs are just trying to squeeze their games (and audience) into a small and easily manageable system that they can control. C.S. Bailey Sadly, I agree. Just because I would (and yes, I would) buy it doesn’t mean enough to justify the cost would. Now, I could just not buy it for my 360 until it’s used…… bd-lt-dnkr This is just about 3rd party developers trying to control the game market. They tried to get Sony and MS to implement DRM schemes (which failed). Instead of putting resources towards developing for 3 consoles, they are trying to knock the Wii U out of competition and bring the audience to Sony and MS. After that, they may pick one console and just develop for that. THEMIGHTYDOOVDE Surely im not the only one who would see this game as a MUST day 1 purchase if it came out on Wii U. HBninjaX What a missed opportunity… Imagine the features you could incorporate with the gamepad… Coffee This is Nintendo’s fault here, their marketing has lead people to believe that its a casual family console and they are not even trying to get Dev support Zach Cruz Not coming to Wii U, but coming to last gen… where a lot of the audience is leaving and moving onto next gen? I’ll be buying dark souls II for PC thankfully. josh but don’t most of Nintendo fans, Wii u owners, play more RPG’s than other consoles fans?