One of the main reasons why many people decide to buy a Wii U is the GamePad. Aside from offering a unique way to interact with some games, the ability to put the game itself on the GamePad and then leave the TV open for roommates or other family members is an attractive option. Gamers are no longer limited to fighting over play time in a busy household. A new Kickstarter project wants to bring this concept to current-gen consoles and PCs and it looks a lot like what Nintendo has created in the Wii U GamePad. The project is on Kickstarter and is called the Cross Plane, which aims to bring off-tv play for Xbox 360, PS3, and PC. The project is currently seeking $350,000 to get underway with the creation of this device, which uses what it calls Paks to convert the video from the console and stream it to the Cross Plane pad. If you’re interested, check out the Kickstarter page to learn more. What do you think of this copycat accessory? local_offer cross plane Kickstarter Nintendo wii u stars Further Reading F-Zero X gets updated on Wii U to fix control New Zelda Breath of the Wild trailer and game Super Mario Maker Wii U vs 3DS comparison (vi Get Ocarina of Time on 3DS for only $14 New teaser site for Zelda: Breath of the Wild released How to track NES Classic Mini stock in time for Christmas Baum 「ツリー」 I say let’s show this Nintendo… Zorpix Remember how the gamepad was a gimmick and it would never catch on? Now watch how many people think this thing is amazing. If it even makes it off kickstarter, which I doubt it will. Nintendo’s legal team is pretty fiesty these days Madison Bound Well a redesign of the controller will probably be required… But the controller will work with Xbox 360, PC, and Ouya, and will allow you to take your game away from the tv and into another room for a handheld gaming experience. I wouldn’t shoot the Kickstarter down so fast, if I had the means to fund it, believe me I would! The cross plane sounds like a fantastic idea for a peripheral to me! Magnus Eriksson Yeah, the Ouya part sounds very interesting. One of my major recents for buying the Wii U was to play Virtual Console games in Off-TV mode. Ouya got a far better library on Nintendo Games in emulators for the price of nothing. It even got N64 games. So Im definitly get this when its a reality 🙂 edit: The redesign of the controller might not be a high cost business. They could just model it after Wii U and eliminate those factors that didnt work to well on the Wii U. blindtiger my roomate bought an ouya just for virtual console… hated it, sold it, bought a wii u 😉 Magnus Eriksson Oh? I heard that the emulators were quite ok on Ouya. At least the ones that emulated Nintendo games. Anyway. It says that the pad works on PC. I could run an emulator from that instead. jay How disrespectful. Stop being a bum and pay the people who worked hard to make the game for you in the first place. Magnus Eriksson Pft! Thats just BS. I bought most of the games many times before, and as long as VC is as crap as it is on Wii U I really dont care. And heres another perspective; Technology fucks it up for us workers, it replaces us all the time, thats how the free market works. Why would we care that technology might be a problem for the capitalists too? We have to adapt, so do they. Thats just fair and square. So you can respect and kiss the feets of who ever you want. I dont care about that they doesnt make more money from milking the dead cow. I wont cry over that they dont make more millions. I’ve supported them enough times on the same products. TCar So, you will break the law because you feel like you have paid for it before. So, do you keep buying gas or do you fill and leave? Magnus Eriksson Tsk… law… theres a difference between legality and morality you know. No, I wouldnt steal gas, but I would download gas in my car if I could. I wouldnt steal a car either, but I would download it if I could. Andreas Sunde With 3D printers, soon you can. In the future, the only people working will be maintaining machines and programming machines. The rest won’t have to do anything. We have the technology, but it requires a closed system, which means the entire world, or isolation. When this is reality, we are probably long gone, though… Btw, hvis du ønsker friere internett, sjekk ut Piratpartiet! Magnus Eriksson I have friends there Andreas. 🙂 TCar The point is, if a product is made and is given to a consumer at a cost, there is not point where they are required to give it out for free. They are a business and they have the right to charge for their merchandise, even if it is twenty years of age. Magnus Eriksson You talk about right as if you dont know the meaning of the word. This is beyond fruit of the harvest. And either if you talk about legal or moral right you are simply wrong in both cases. Right in the legal aspect is basically boiling down to one single point: The ability to protect it by force in some or any aspect. This is not possible today so the law is basically not valid. This is the core of every law around the world, and it goes for N. too. They cannot protect it, then bad for them. That easy. jay He knows more about the word “right” than you ever would judging by your lack of morality and respect. Just because you haven’t been caught yet doesn’t make it right. Many pirates have been fined thousands of dollars once they are found. Magnus Eriksson It doesnt have anything to do with morality or respect. You really shouldnt use words you dont understand. TCar You really should stop being rude and understand that there are two sides to the argument. Just because tech replaces humans, it is still humans that make the tech. Emulators are nothing but theft. Why else do you think you don’t have to pay for it? Not because the person supplying it cares about your needs, it is because they don’t want to be arrested. Companies shouldn’t have to adjust to theft. Magnus Eriksson Hey miss. Has nothing to do with rude or not rude either. No, you got it all wrong. Making technology is of course a human practice. But its developed for a reason, replace man in the production level. You know why? Because someone makes money that way. TCar Someone does make money and it us usually because the machines do more work with less error. Not to mention, there is no payroll to worry about. But, how does this relate to people cracking a code and stealing information? TCar So if they sue you and win, does that mean they couldn’t protect it? I love looking at things in retrospect, you know because it is 20/20. Had they known where gaming was going to go, they could have made a system that allowed for one purchase that would follow through to each system released. Who knows, maybe they are looking into it. However, because tech changes, so does some coding and securities. Because of piracy, the securities start to cost a lot of money. So, who’s to say, if piracy didn’t exist than maybe those games would be free. But than again, they do have a business to run. Daniel Gonzalez Piracy is a touchy subject, because not all countries feel the same way in the world. Each have their own laws in what they consider stealing. TCar Yea, it would be nice to have some consistency, wouldn’t it. 🙂 Daniel Gonzalez Well, countries always have their own ideals and morals. What’s moral to you, isn’t the same for each individual. That’s how life is, we’re all unique and have minds of our own, even if we don’t always agree with each other, doesn’t necessarily make it wrong. It’s wrong because the law either says or it’s against what we believe in. Even those who make the laws, break them too even. So when you put it that way, laws are just there to be broken. “Every actual State is corrupt. Good men must not obey laws too well.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson It doesn’t always make sense to everyone, but then again, neither does human nature and it’s very way of controlling one another. TCar Very true. “Rules are meant to be broken.” I for one really try not to though. Magnus Eriksson Ok Tbag, take another analogy. What makes a state legitimate? Any state in the world. One simple thing. 1. The ability to defend itself. Thats the very core in what a states legitimacy consists of. How do they do that? 1. Either by armed forces or 2. Pacts and allies. On the global level you could say its a constant state of war of all against all, a “bellum omnium contra omnes” (T. Hobbes). That actually goes for the individual too, aswell as the overnational level. This is state of war is hindered by the fact that we individuals give away “the right to everything” and “right to first strike” to a national level. This is called the souvereign, who by law will protect us against aggressors, punish us and behalf of us. The laws are practically the same as this souvereign (it can be a dictator too, or a direct democracy ala Athens 400 BC). But the thing is, as on de supernational level, its legitimacy boils down to back up the laws with force. If its unable to do so, then it is an illegitime law. Period. This is not something I have decided. This is the core philosophy of modern statesmanshift. TCar I get it, stealing is ok with you. Your definition of stealing and mine are totally different. One day, games won’t exist because the moment it is released, no one will buy them because piracy has made it free. Because they can’t “protect it” from criminals, why should they even release their hard work to people that aren’t going to compensate them for it? The sad thing here is that you know what you are downloading isn’t yours, it is actually someone else’s property and you are borrowing/keeping the product for yourself, for your entertainment. Way to say thank you to the people that put the hard work into making something you enjoy. By the way, it is TCar. Name calling is for little kiddies that don’t get their way. Be an adult and stop the name calling! You want a question with more relevance, how would you feel if someone jumped into your computer/smartphone and downloaded your videos, posted them on Youtube and made money on it? Cutting you out of the equation! Magnus Eriksson No, stealing is not ok. We have been through this already. About your name, sorry I actually thought your name was Tbag because I didnt see your name when I wrote on the pad. Ill call you Tcar from now (what is a Tcar by the way?). And of course games will still exist. What you are talking about actually hinders development, not stimulate it. We would have much less repackaging of old stuff and more new things instead. Do you think gigantic music corporations are good for the musical progress? No, its not. TCar Then where is the line? Where does the right to have butt up against stealing? Magnus Eriksson Ive already draw the line – at lengths. You should read what I write instead of asking the same questions over and over again. TCar You must really have some tightly wound panties on today! Look, I have read your posts and all I read is a future convict attempting to convince others that his/hers own personal wants outweigh the legal ramifications of taking something that isn’t theirs. So lets see if I get this right. A game is made twenty years ago and you purchased it way back then. After completing it, you sell the game or give it away to a friend. Twenty years later, someone finds a way to put a program on a computer that reads pirated data from that old game to played. Wanting to re-live those cherished moments, you decided to download the game because, hey, I bought this years ago, why should I pay for it again. When you sold it,youI lost money on the deal, so they owe you. Now you own a library of games that you may have never purchased, yet you play them because they are free and they can’t protect their data because it was pirated away from it’s initial purpose, to be played on a home console. Did you know, each game and developer have “End User License Agreements?” You should look into them, got some real good nuggets of information. Just by playing the game, most times just by opening the case it is shipped in, you agree to these and can be punished by law. That of course depends on which part of the world cares about honoring copyright laws. Magnus Eriksson No, you didnt get that right. Try again. TCar Done. Not worth the discussion anymore. Magnus Eriksson Read this part again: “How many games do Nintendo lose if I download a game or emulate a game? They lose Zero games. Yes, true that they DONT MAKE MONEY. But thats not the same as stealing. I have the very same product on a cassette, bought for NES or SNES. Thats mine, and the code on it is IDENTICAL to the code I use on emulators and the like. Its not a new product, and its not material. Its a digital duplication of what I already have.” TCar Last word! You didn’t duplicate, someone else did. Magnus Eriksson Does it matter? TCar Yes because you aren’t making a copy of the one you purchased. Prove the code is the same between the one you bought and the one you downloaded. Magnus Eriksson I dont have too. Its not my job to prove in cases like this. Daniel Gonzalez To be fair TCar, piracy has a small impact on the gaming industry. News and articles exaggerate just for the revenue and hits. While piracy does exist, there’s more people buying these games than they are “stealing” them. To put it short, the industry is fine and will continue to thrive despite piracy. TCar The sad thing is that we have accepted piracy and the cost that we know little about. News articles are always looking for those hits but there still is meat to the story. I do wonder how many developers would have made it had piracy been stopped. Daniel Gonzalez Hard to say for sure. Piracy has been around for hundreds of years. It’ll never stop no matter how many laws are passed. It’s a waste of time. I understand that governments will continue to try, but it’ll be futile regardless. TCar Oh, I agree. It has been around and there is no stopping it. Even if an asteroid was on a direct path for Earth, people would still attempt to pirate. It’s good that we have tough laws to punish those that do get caught but in the end, catch one, two more grow back. Daniel Gonzalez Coin it the Hydra Effect. Magnus Eriksson The laws you are supporting here is as a matter of fact very controversial, and its a good reason for that. If you want to give companies such as Nintendo, or the record industry for that sake, the power to follow up such claims, then you are doing that at a very high cost. Your own private freedom. That is limiting your private rights on behalf of some bogus theory of private property. TCar So, if I wanted a rid in your car, I would just need to jump in and you will take me where ever I want. Since, private property is bogus and all! Don’t worry, I got gas money. Magnus Eriksson Ah, I see. You are actually not trying to be stupid 🙂 Ive explained everything at lengths, and still you put words in my mouth. I never said anything like what you say now. TCar Troll. Magnus Eriksson The sad thing is not people “accepting piracy”. The sad thing is people like you who support such laws. You are sacrificing freedom for authoritarianism. This is like Judas 30 pieces of silver. TCar Please explain how I am sacrificing my freedoms? In my eyes, I still have the right to listen to the music, play the game or watch the movie that I purchased. If I get rid of something, it’s probably because I don’t want to use it anymore. Magnus Eriksson Ive did, many times already. TCar Actually, everything you have mentioned has nothing to do with me. I haven’t lost anything and if I have, it is because of the one rotten apple spoiling the whole bunch! But still, don’t feel like I have lost a single thing! Liam They are both sad. You are hurting the people who spend their lives making these games for you to enjoy them. If you want their content, you should pay for it. You dont have a right to access digital content you havent paid for. Perhaps if you had ever made a game yourself you would be able to understand how much people put into their creations. Maybe then you would see how it isnt right to take that without paying them for their trouble Magnus Eriksson You are only repeating the mantra of the industry. While I on the other hand actually looked into serious research on the topic. You could check it out for you self: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2176246 Magnus Eriksson No, that would mean that they could protect it. If they sued me and won. But they cannot, therefore they have no right to it. jay What a hypocrite. So you would rob a bank also if you can download the information right? What logic is that? It’s selfish assholes like you who hurt the industry and cause developer’s doors to shut down. Magnus Eriksson In which way is this hypocritical? This is how technology works. We have to adapt, so do they. Its really not harder than that. Are they unable to protect it, then they have no right. Easy as that, really. And ROB A BANK? Not the same here. You should work with your analogies Jayleene… 🙂 TCar Actually it is the same because we are talking about lost revenue. You are stealing data from a company for the sole purpose of benefiting from an object of value. You should work on how these analogies relate to the topic. Akatosh Morality = stealing. Illegal downloading = stealing. Daniel Gonzalez Not if you live in Sweden. Magnus Eriksson You should work with your logic. Thats an tautology. Volfos So you don’t think those of us who earn our living by slaving away on computers for ten hours a day deserve money but you’re happy to give it those who sit back and WATCH a large factory machine churn it out? – Yeah, THAT is your ‘morality’… Magnus Eriksson Yes, I think you deserve your paycheck my friend. What I talk about here is not against you, its for you. Volfos Well, honestly, it doesn’t sound like it, since the paycheck of me and those like me, comes from your money being broken down among the groups who’s content you purchase. Magnus Eriksson You could look into it yourself. Here you are: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2176246 Volfos Can someone please explain to me why I might have been thumbed down? Magnus Eriksson It wasnt me, but this site is full of people downvoting without contributing. Rman94 Question. Are you and truth teller related? It seems like you two always have to start a trolling fest on every article Magnus Eriksson He is a troll. Im not. TCar Judging by your name calling and bulling remarks, I would have to disagree. Magnus Eriksson Did you read what I wrote on that? TCar And with that, I am done! Not nice talking to you, have a pleasant day! Magnus Eriksson Next time you come to the internet dont be mad at people with different opinions. Because when you get mad you really dont read whats written. Through the whole conversation you have put words in my mouth that I never said. That you misunderstand, thats your fault, not mine. How many games do Nintendo lose if I download a game or emulate a game? They lose Zero games. Read this part again: “Yes, true that they DONT MAKE MONEY. But thats not the same as stealing. I have the very same product on a cassette, bought for NES or SNES. Thats mine, and the code on it is IDENTICAL to the code I use on emulators and the like. Its not a new product, and its not material. Its a digital duplication of what I already have.” TCar Last word! You didn’t duplicate, someone else did! Magnus Eriksson That is as a matter of fact an very unintresting and irrelevant detail. It does not change anything. TCar About getting on the internet and being mad about others opinions. First off, wasn’t mad. Secondly, you stated your opinion as fact. A fact I felt had flaws, my opinion. Don’t know about you, but I do read what is written. It is not my fault if you can’t get your point across in a manner that is understood. I have not put words in your mouth, only my interpretation of what you have said. So therefore, it would be your fault for not being articulate enough to present your side of the story. This is one of those times it is best to agree to disagree and move on. Magnus Eriksson Well, you are talking about stealing. I say its not theft. You have misunderstood the very concept about property, thats my point. You might think its wrong for some reason, but it doesnt change the fact that theres nothing you or Nintendo can do about it. Daniel Gonzalez I don’t think ones name signifies a troll. The meaning of troll varies from each individual on here, which I have gathered quite well. Lol. Plus you have to take into account that a lot of Nintendo fans on here do it just as much. So to be fair, I think anyone can throw the troll card out on anyone who doesn’t post a positive opinion. TCar I was actually referring to the names he was using to reference me, not his name. That sort of behavior is usually found with the trolls, searching for way to upset people for the fun of it. Magnus Eriksson Listen TCar, you get angry for nothing. You just read something that you think is controversial and react upon that instead of what Im writing. I do not say its right to, for example, hack eShop and download stuff from there for free. I dont say its right to walk into Gamestop and rob them from games either. I say that IF I OWN THE GAME then ITS MY GAME cause I BOUGHT THE GAME. I own everything thats in the box containing the game. That INCLUDES the CODE THATS IN THE GAME. If I UPLOAD the code to internet then I MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR OTHERS. Those who does not own the game shouldnt download it, then THEY ARE STEALING. But IF SOMEONE ALREADY OWN THE GAME DOWNLOADS THE CODE, THEN THEY ARE NOT STEALING. Because its the very SAME code. If I have a CD, with lets say the Beatles “Sgt Peppers”, and I have a car with only a cassetteplayer. Do I steal If I copy the CD onto cassette so I can listen to it in my car? Of course not, thats ridiculous. Lets say I give you a lift in the car and you ask me if I could lend you the casette because you also have the CD but your CD-player is broken. Is that stealing? Of course not. TCar If you copy A CD and put it on something else, it is a copyright infringement. You bought the CD, not the music. The music is protected and isn’t yours, you only have the “right” to listen to it. This is all part of the End User Agreement. You don’t own the code, that is the game developer, music studio, movie studios property, made available to you for your entertainment. Again, End User License Agreement stats this. Answer me this, out of all the “codes” you have on your PC, how many of them do you physically own? By copying the code you are breaking the End User Agreement. By placing in online you are becoming an accessory to crime. Only recently have developers and movie studios made available download codes. Since that tech hasn’t been around as long, any copying done prior to this are copyright infringements. Even today, it is considered “against” the rules. They have slacked away from pressing charges for those whom copy CD’s and movie for their personal collections protection. Making it available to others though has been something they have really been trying to stop. Unfortunately, the only way to stop it now is secure streaming and no physical copies. You are trolling in this conversation, just in case you aren’t aware. By indicating that I am mad even after I have told you I am not, you are reaching for an emotional response. This is a very controversial topic, not because I think so but because people in the game, music and movie world think so. As a designer myself, I feel insulted when I hear about open piracy. You may think it doesn’t impact the market, but it does. But that is your opinion. The world of gaming, music and movies will be fine but, do you ever wonder why prices rise? It isn’t all because of piracy, but imagine how much money they spend on better ways to stop it from happening. They will want their money back and whom will pay for it. Not the pirates, the honest folks will. In the end, you think what you want and I will hope that things like what we have discussed will come to an abrupt stop. In my eyes, taking from the rich to give to the poor is still a crime. I said my piece and now I am done. Let’s drop it, the conversation is going nowhere; agree to disagree. Magnus Eriksson So WHAT DO I OWN THEN? 😀 TCar You own the case, the artwork, the booklet, the disc. You don’t own the rights to the artwork, the design of the case, the layout and art of the booklet or the information contained on the disc or the artwork on the disc. Magnus Eriksson Oh, yes I do. I cannot copy the disk and resell the copies, thats true. But thats not what we are talking about here. Well, you kind of talk about it, but I never said such a thing. I only said. I own the game. Therefore I can download it and play it if I want. TCar Only if the company that you bought the game from makes it available to you digitally. By involving a third party you are acting outside the End User Agreement and therefor are doing something against said agreement. But, hey, I guess it is only the stupid people out here that actually honor agreements! lonewolf88 which is pretty much pirating meaning?? nintendo would sue it until it was forgotten. 😛 Magnus Eriksson Hm? Didnt get that. Which post are you refering to? Eric Degrechie Hahahaha, while I agree with you there, I think the point is: being able to get the games for free on an emulator shouldn’t be considered a strike against the Wii U as a product. It’s like saying “Why would I buy that when I could just steal it?” I don’t blame fans for pirating games, and I can’t blame a Nintendo for wanting to still profit off of them. Liam People still have to be paid to make the game. Even if you havent stolen anything physical, youre taking something that costs money without giving any money for it, and this hurts the developer Magnus Eriksson Kind of cute that you think its the artists that loses the money here. Why do you think artists tend to be advocates for a liberation, but the industry is against it. Volfos You kill the industry and things get very unstable and risky. Designers needs industry to some extent, even if its a pain in the ass for those of us who want to make games. With money to force developers to do the grunt work we end up with far fewer 48 hour, high production quality, real-time 3D Action/Adventure/RPGs. I don’t want to live in your world! jay I’ve paid for games plenty of times doesn’t mean I have the right to steal. Do you buy a hamburger at McDonalds and expect to steal one every time you visit just because you bought burgers in the past? Magnus Eriksson Its not stealing. How many burgers do McDonald lose if I steal one. They lose ONE. How many games do Nintendo lose if I steal a game at a factory. They lose ONE. How many hamburgers do McDonald lose if I download a recipe of hamburgers and make them at home? They lose Zero hamburgers. How many games do Nintendo lose if I download a game or emulate a game? They lose Zero games. Yes, true that they DONT MAKE MONEY. But thats not the same as stealing. I have the very same product on a cassette, bought for NES or SNES. Thats mine, and the code on it is IDENTICAL to the code I use on emulators and the like. Its not a new product, and its not material. Its a digital duplication of what I already have. Guest How many burgers do McDonald lose if I steal one. They lose ONE. How many games do Nintendo lose if I steal a game at a factory. They lose ONE. How many hamburgers do McDonald lose if I download a recipe of hamburgers and make them at home? They lose Zero hamburgers. How many games do Nintendo lose if I download a game or emulate a game? They lose Zero games. Yes, true that they DONT MAKE MONEY. But thats not the same as stealing. I have the very same product on a cassette, bought for NES or SNES. Thats mine, and the code on it is IDENTICAL to the code I use on emulators and the like. Its not a new product, and its not material. Its a digital duplication of what I already have. Akatosh Using something without someone’s permission is the definition of stealing. Pirating is stealing. Period. Daniel Gonzalez Depends on the laws in each country. In Sweden, downloading roms from other users is sharing. That includes, games, movies, music and e-books. Copyrights vary from country to country. TCar Assuming this conversation is pertaining to the US, this individual is stealing. Daniel Gonzalez He doesn’t live in the US far as I know. So depending on where he lives, it may not qualify as stealing. Magnus Eriksson No, I dont live in US. Daniel Gonzalez Yeah, that much I knew. 😛 Where do you live while we’re on the subject? Magnus Eriksson Im from Sweden, lives in Norway. And you? Daniel Gonzalez Good place to come from, I support their copyright laws. 😛 I live in the US. If i had the money to live abroad, I’d take it. Lol. Magnus Eriksson You should visit Scandinavia sometime. Its kind of the same climate as Canada. Not a bad place to live at all. Good welfare system. Good educational system. Not many extreme poor or extreme rich. Low criminality etc Magnus Eriksson Actually no, its been tried in court too in the VHS era. Also in US. So you are actually wrong on this point too. Akatosh Laws don’t define nature. So if I make a million copies of a book hand them out to people who don’t own it that’s not considered wrong to you? Magnus Eriksson It depends. What if I told you that I forbid you to use the internet? Akatosh How does this relate to the topic of stealing or not? TCar “Its not a new product, and its not material. Its a digital duplication of what I already have.” Was it always available to you in a digital format? Is it a copy derived directly from your hard copy of the game? Did you pay for the digital transfer? Did you contact said company and ask if you can get a digital copy for free? Since you have no way of proving that you actually own the game that you wish to have in a digital format and they have no way of knowing if you plan on selling the hard copy once you get the digital copy, why would they trust anyone? Magnus Eriksson I cant see how any of these questions are relevant. TCar And if Nintendo charges $5 for that ONE game, that is $5. If a million people “steal” ONE game, that is $5,000,000.00. When you don’t pay for what you take, it is a theft. If it isn’t, why are you paying for that burger at McDonalds. Why not just tell them, I am not buying this but I am leaving with it. Magnus Eriksson Still its not stealing. They redefined the very concept of theft to apply to this thing. But its not valid. Has nothing to do with theft. blindtiger i dont really want to get in the middle of this but there is some kind of moral difference between pirating something you already bought and pirating something you did not buy. dont know if its right or wrong… just different. Daniel Gonzalez When it comes down to it, morals is subjective. Even with laws in place, they don’t define what we all believe is right or wrong. So yeah, it’s a subject that most of us won’t all agree on. blindtiger laws are just a basic starting point for the issues of morality and justice… courts are best for deciding cases with specific details. too bad our laws and courts are so flawed… Magnus Eriksson Laws are not basics for morality. Where in the world did you get that from? 😀 Nazi Germany had a law that said that citizens had to tell the government where jews hid themselves. Was it morally good or bad to give the government this information? blindtiger haha i didnt say all laws are good! just saying laws are created by society to make a standard for “morality,” whatever that means to an individual people. you know like its illegal to murder or steal because we believe those things to be immoral… Magnus Eriksson Its a juridical difference too. Akatosh Take some grammar lessons. I can barely understand you because your communication skills leave much to be desired. Daniel Gonzalez English isn’t his second language if you took the time to notice or ask. Akatosh Pardon me for not having enough time to read comments that fill up several pages. Magnus Eriksson My grammar is not that good, you are right there. Thats because of two things. 1. Im from Sweden, and lives in Norway (two very similar languages but with some grammatic differences). 2. I work with latin and ancient greek a bit, and sometimes I transfer the analytic grammar from there to other areas, like english (a syntactic language). This two factors messes up my grammar in a way, and Im aware of it. Plus I write on the pad and not on a computer. Sorry for the inconvenience, but thats how it is. The Clockwork Being Now i’m not sure here. I will check my sources just to be sure and give concrete proof on what is going on here. Now I repeat I am not sure and have to check my sources but maybe, just maybe English is not everyone’s first language. reyn69sharla pffft, Ouya…..what the hell is that? hands up anyone who has even seen one in real life? its like the mexican staring from from southern sri lanka Magnus Eriksson LOL! When you mention it. Never saw one IRL 😀 Marcus Navarro Magnus, I don’t think they get it yet. Eric Degrechie “Ouya got a far better library on Nintendo Games ” It’s not really a fair point to use Nintendo’s own products as a criticism of a Nintendo product. Magnus Eriksson Its not a criticism of the products. Eric Degrechie It’s a direct criticism of the Wii U virtual console, which is a Nintendo product. david jarman For the wii u the game has to be coded to output to the controller instead of the tv. Nevermind I saw the thing on the packs… My eyes are tired Steelmullet As fantastic as the Wii U gamepad itself, right? Because that’s getting a ton of praise for it’s design. Eh? Eh? I’m being totally sarcastic for a greater cause, I’m not hatin’. ^_^ jay Beat me to it!! Andreas Sunde They say it’s been in development for two years. What happened two years ago, at E3? I rest my case. angel the WiiU controller has been in design about a year or two when the life time of the Wii was ending. their is even a video about them talking about it and taping a Wii controller to a screen on the sides, even the idea of the WiiU controller was patent even before the idea of the WiiU and during half the life time or more of the Wii. U see nintendo likes to patent any idea they have even the most ridicules for safety reasons LopsidedPasta My reaction to this article *ahem*: HUBBA HUBBA HUBBA HUBBA HUBBA HUBBA HUBBA YES YES YES HUBBA HUBBA HUBBA HUBBA YES! Bob Wilkerson What? Someone trying to copy a Nintendo “Gimmick” again? Why would anyone want to copy the things Nintendo brings to the video game world when they are all gimmicks. #sarcasm Ducked Yeah, the Gamepad is just a gimmick. It’s all about GRAPHICS! Steelmullet I know right? Why don’t people just copy graphics!? I mean that’s where it’s at! Come on every game company ever, get with it. Just let us watch FMV movies on our consoles forever, who needs innovative gameplay? TCar I am just surprised that is isn’t Sony! Ashley King Just gonna leave this here.. http://wiiudaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/wii-u-comic-large.jpg Matthew Stapleton I love that! HAHA! Ducked I got it, I just didn’t laugh. SonicLucario So much for people and developers calling the Game Pad and the WiiU a fail….*smh* D.M.T Yeah now everyone wants to copy. Bob Wilkerson And I think no one will do it as well as Nintendo. This type of device will have severe latency issues I suspect. blindtiger nobody ever does it as well as nintendo… Super Buu Lawsuit incoming! baro93 Nintendo lawsuit in 3…2…1… jay Anti-Nintendo nerds claiming it looks nothing like a Wii U pad in 3…2…Samsung David Tims You could buy a decent second tv for that price. Michael DeVore The only way this will work is by placing a device between your TV and Box on the HDMI signal. However, this is why encrypted HDMI exists. Yea HDMI encryption has been hacked. However, for this to be a legitimate device that sells it cannot break the encryption. If they don’t have a reasonable expectation that they can do this legally then they shouldn’t be running a kickstarter to fund it. They should be doing a kickstarter for the legal team necessary to do the legal footwork to see if they can get the proper rights in order to do this. Then, if it all looks clear, do the kickstarter for the device itself. D.M.T I’m ok with people being inspired by Nintendo but I don’t like it when they literally copy Nintendo’s ideas. I respect people who are original, I don’t respect copy cats. The Wii U Gamepad will still work better because the Wii U console was designed around the Gamepad. The PS3 or PC wasn’t designed for this Gamepad rip off. I hope Nintendo sues these copy cats soon. CyanideInsanity Wasn’t designed? The cross plane is just a way of off-screen play. Ducked I like your profile picture. #captaincharisma D.M.T Thanks, he’s awesome 😀 Ducked One More Match! ari this is not gonna work xD Clel Well someone’s going to get the life sued out of them in no time. boynhisblobs I see this being shut down faster than the Metroid movie. Ducked Make that faster then a remake of a Street Fighter movie John Aguilera Way to be original..douchebags. Archiq09 I like people who said “Nintendo is bad” and they copy nintendo after xD its would said if nintendo stop make console to other consoles will not have new ideas? xD D.M.T If Nintendo stops making consoles than the game industry is doomed because other companies can’t come up with their own ideas Ducked PC would be like “FINALLY!!!” Lil J Moore Nintendo is soooooo bad and a horrible company that only makes gimmicks and games for kids. So why does everybody seem to copy them all the time? boynhisblobs Agreed. QuizmasterBos How is Nintendo “sooooo bad”? They have been outrageously succesful. What exactly is a ‘Kids” game to you, can you explain? Also, to answer your question, Nintendo gets copied for being both innovative as well as succesful. It doesn’t matter what you say or think, albeit very short-sighted of you, but Nintendo has been doing very succesful business since they started, so as soon as that stops, the copying stops. Lil J Moore I think you guys misunderstood my comment. I know Nintendo is successful. I was saying what every hater says about them. (I think that’s why I got so many thumbs down) (Stupid Nintendo fanboys, myself included) kevin nun—- I understood the sarcasm on your first sentence bud. John Smith Will this be on Wii U ? :O (LOL) ScrewAttack IT’S THE CIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRCLE OF LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE Felix no patents? xD Grulnork Don’t get why people get so upset about this here….. Your Wii U doesn’t change if other systems have similar features. And note that it is not a copy of wii u. It is a remote display with a gamepad attached to it, not a second screen like the Wii U. But also if they would copy that I would not have a problem with that. blindtiger most people here arent upset… they just think its funny and stupid Bob Wilkerson Maybe if it didn’t look like an clone of the Wii U Gamepad. Looks like something you would find in a chinese knockoff store trying to be something else. Reading further it looks to be something in the lines of competition with the NVidia Shield as well. I am curious what kind of technology it will use for streaming. Will they go WiFi and take the huge risk of latency just to get the greater coverage or will they go the route similar to what Nintendo does sacrificing range for instant streaming Grulnork They use a wireless hdmi connection. They claim it will give similar performance as a pc screen or TV. Petri Peripheral for consoles that are nearly at the end of their cycles? Not many PC gamers would touch this either. CyanideInsanity It uses HDMI, so it’ll work with more than just those, and if they can get it to work with current consoles, they can probably get it working with the next set. incoherent1 Doesn’t Nintendo still hold a valid patent for the D pad? If so and they didn’t license it, then they’re going to be in for some trouble… TheGamerGeek128 I thought their patent on the D-pad expired in 2005. incoherent1 I looked it up. You’re right! Nintendo4life That is a stupid idea and nintendo won’t allow it CEObrainz On the Kickstarter they promote Emulation is that really a smart idea? asdfg But I thought that the gamepad was a “stupid gimmick” and that “no one wanted to play with this big ass controller”… CyanideInsanity I hope it succeeds. Its like a more versatile nvidia shield or gamepad. I like the idea of off-screen play on more than just the wii u I’ll have when I can afford one. Yen Sadly, if Nintendo tries to do anything about it it’d just be a waste of time and money. The argument will be, this serves a whole different purpose than the gamepad, because fact is, the Wii U gamepad isn’t made to have off TV play, that’s just a feature it can have in SOME games. That’s enough to pass patent. However, it is infuriating that they’re bringing this to other consoles and PC at this timing. Even if it isn’t, it really does seem like they’re only doing this because the Wii U did it and people liked it. C4 Well, even on Kickstarter you don’t get investors for things which people _don’t_ like 😛 CyanideInsanity Why do people have an issue with off-screen play being available outside of the wii u? Yen Honestly for me, its the fanboys. Every generation PS and XBox fanboys call Nintendo products gimmicks and says it will fail. Then a year later PS and XBox release their own version of the so called gimmick. This gen especially there are a ton of people saying the Wii U is a fail system, even though the PS eventually came out with using the Vita as a gamepad and Xbox has Smartglass. You’re right, I shouldn’t have an issue with other systems getting off-screen play. I would’ve liked it too for a Gamecube or Wii back before the Wii U. CyanideInsanity lol figures, fanboys do ruin all the things don’t they. Yen What if… Nintendo, PS, and Xbox are actually all collaborating together. They purposely make design choices to provoke fan wars. “Okay let’s do this on the Wii this year, next year PS you do the same thing so people will get mad. Then XBox you do it too another year later.” TaintedXGamer It gonna Fucking flop, this. No way is this gonna make any Fucking sales and if it does, well Shoot me! original Wii U Game Pad FTWIN! Energonkid Nintendo is not gonna let this fly. Ducked Those copying scum bags! Nintendo, it’s time to file a lawsuit! crocodileman94 “What do you think of this copycat accessory?” I think it will get shut down faster than the Metroid fan-movie. Sam No. jay But I thought this was gimmicks!! jay Ummm guys…. Why are the trolls hiding?…. Game Master Because now that they might get a GamePad for there system, there like, OMG, this is awesome, we where wong, lets back away slowly now lol jay lol QuizmasterBos There’s a FAQ at the bottom of the Kickstarter answering the exact question that is on everyone’s mind: “Isn’t this a Wii U knock-off”? This is their answer: [Quote=Guys who made the Cross Plane]”The short answer is “No” and the reason is because The Cross Plane at it’s basic level is just a portable display. It’s a Wireless Video Interface with a generic control interface. There are no patents for the “uses” of WVI, we use no Nintendo proprietary technologies, nor do we have support for any Nintendo console. It’s Wireless Video Streaming In regards to The Cross Planes form factor and layout, this is just a “Prototype”, it’s not its final form factor and layout and the design will be changing slightly for the final product.”[/quote] I don’t buy it. It does exactly what the Wii U offers as well, minus the touchscreen interface option, but it’s still way too much the same. I think Nintendo would make a pretty solid case, but I’m just spitballing here. Let’s see what happens in the coming weeks, I guess. Bob Wilkerson It is very similar based on functionality. Sure it adds a few things like support for PCs and other consoles but to me seems like a waste unless the streaming technology has not latency. Much of the functionality can be achieved with existing tablets with an app. Copy of Nintendo or not I am not sure there is a big enough market for this to be worth while with all the existing technology out there. jay At its core its nothing like the gamepad. It doesn’t have screen to monitor communication/touchscreen/mic etc. But yes, of course its a ripoff(just look at the design) but it’s too hard to sue copy-cats these days. Companies hop through loopholes before a product is even in development in order to cover their own ass. Look at all the iPhone/iPad clones. I can easily steal the mario template and replace mario with a leprechaun, make money and avoid legal issues. Oops already been done: And 4.5 stars how embarrassing. QuizmasterBos True, but this is on kickstarter and it’s a much bigger thing than a Mario clone. It’s also a lot more difficult to sue someone for making a Mario clone, because it’s still a platformer and platformers aren’t legally copyrighted to Nintendo. With good enough lawyers, these people could get away with it. This thing is much more difficult to disprove to a judge, I bet. I don’t really know, but I feel it is incredibly similar and I don’t know if these guys thoroughly investigated if they can actually do this. Lastly, Nintendo has more to lose with this product, off-tv streaming is one of the keypoints for the Wii U and could presumably deter people from buying the Wii U altogether, whereas the tons of Mario clones on iPhone are sold to the market Nintendo has no hopes of reaching anyone from, or at least very little. MysticDude97 Copycats. XP QuaFicK I just donated 25$ for this 😀 Yaboydd wow, This is going to fail, its looks nasty and sloppy, and even so, Nintendo will sue there ass for copying them, it clearly does everything the Wii u GamePad can do, Shit like this pisses me off ( sorry for my language ) but i feel like Nintendo is the kid that people bully and copy of them when they make a good idea. Nintendo will not allow this. Not one bit. Everyone send this to Nintendo so there informed and aware of this Zuxs13 you due know this is just a prototype right? Satoru Iwata Please understand that we applaud this. We are honored that they think so highly of our Wii U gamepad. Our idea will be on all platforms. I support this 100%. D.M.T Shut up Iwata and sue these mothafuckers. Sue them NOW nigga! Hurry up! Magnus Eriksson Im looking forward to see what this improvement can do. Satoru Iwata Yes. I do as well my honorable gamer. I can imagine using this on my Wii U…..I mean PS3 to play Grand Theft Auto V. WolfgangAmadeusMozart “Thank you for supporting Nintendo and its product” Satoru Iwata Omg, how silly of me. Thank you Mr. Mozart. Thank you for supporting Nintendo and it’s products! Veries Seals Oh wow this is really a blatant copy of the Wii U concept, even though in ways I like the fact that they want to copy because it shows interest, they made a point to go out of the way and say they are not making it compatible with any nintendo products even though i saw old nintendo games being emulated on it. The question is why would they not take it to Nintendo and see if they can have it Nintendo licensed and sell it to the competing manufacturers? That way Nintendo still gets their props, they have a major Game Company backing them and everyone makes money. It blew me away then they said under is this a cheap Nintendo knock off? The short answer is “No” and the reason is because The Cross Plane at it’s basic level is just a portable display. It’s a Wireless Video Interface with a generic control interface. There are no patents for the “uses” of WVI, we use no Nintendo proprietary technologies, nor do we have support for any Nintendo console. It’s Wireless Video Streaming In regards to The Cross Planes form factor and layout, this is just a “Prototype”, it’s not its final form factor and layout and the design will be changing slightly for the final product. jay ….because Nintendo doesn’t license hardware to sony/ms. Veries Seals I know that but this is not a Nintendo product, but it is a nintendo concept. I am speaking more in terms of getting nintendo to participate in spreading not their hardware but their ideas and concepts and still get paid for them. Shota i sent a email to nintendo. waiting for response Tim van Broekhoven O rlly…. This thing is only for hipsters that are too dumb to buy a fuckinh wii u. jeeeeezzzz CyanideInsanity Or people who want off-screen play elsewhere… DVE This is some BS man :/ Gimmicks everywhere now xD. Why the fudge people wanna be like Nintendo so badly go make something new you copycats. Wow I read their kickstarter and it seems pretty cool xD im such a hypocrite at times xD [CMD] DEATH I don’t like the design, yeah it may be a first make of it but it doesn’t look great as of now, just a cheap version of the GamePad. uPadWatcher There can be only one– the U Game Pad! Sonic what a ripoff,it’s MORE than the wii u. on top of that,you have to buy a controller pak expansion. Big-B They’re gonna get sued. Nintendo may be a friendly company but they don’t mess around when it comes to legal matters. Zuxs13 There doesn’t appear to be anything they can sue over. CMB Nintendo Might take this down Grulnork Doubt they can. CMB If so It won’t be a big deal to them anyway. This pad costs more than a wii u itself and has less features NkoSekirei the problem is that nintendo owns the design to the wii u game pad controller and anyone tries to copy it would face a lawsuit from nintendo Zuxs13 they are not copying it. Grulnork Aye it won’t matter much. But I do like this thing I may consider it for my PC, but the price is a bit meh. Considering a JXD 7300 as well with an android app to stream from PC, but latency isn’t as good as the Wii U. CMB Have you heard of Usendmii. you can use your wii u game pad to stream and play pc games. I don’t think you need homebrew for it. Grulnork Hmm interesting.I’ll check it out, thanks for the tip. Ross Brocklesby Surely nintendo could sue? Akatosh Nintendo, sue. Just do it. zhenyaivan nothing like on any market lol’d Steve I hope this does not violate any patent laws. Johny looks like a cheap chinese knockoff/ripoff of wii u InterTreble I can’t understand: people say: “GamePad is useless” (I must correct myself: people not owning any Wii U). Now the same people are saying: “Wow! We want the GamePad in our Playstation/Xbox!” Ahahah! What a fantastic coherence! XD Seems like the envy against Nintendo is always more than alive… 😉 Arthur Jarret So, a plan to produce a controller that won’t be natively supported for asynchronous play by most games, meant for consoles that’ll be outdated next November. No wonder they couldn’t find a publisher and need kickstarter. CyanideInsanity Guess what? Once november gets here they can start working on making it compatible with those new consoles. Arthur Jarret But that still means it’s a third party control that can only emulate off-tv play, and not asynchronous play – unless there is software that natively supports it, which will be unlikely. CyanideInsanity I’m fairly certain off-screen play is the goal for this, not asynchronous play. Arthur Jarret Then… what’s the point? The first reward that offers the actual device is 349 dollars! If I don’t want to share my TV, I could easily get a fairly sized TV and an extra wireless controler for that price… A second controller pack costs 60 bucks more… the same price as an official licensed controller. Frankly, I don’t think they’ll make it with these prices. There are better alternatives, such as the Vita for PS4 or that Nvidia thing for PC Zuxs13 The advantage of this is it works with pretty much any device with an HDMI output. So you buy one controller it will work on, ps3, xbox, PC, bluray player, even a cable box. You can even split the image going to the device to the TV at the same time, similar to some WIi U games. but every game can do this because its just taking the transmitted image from the HDMI out on the console and sending it to the handheld wirelessly. You can buy wireless HDMI transmitters right now. The big issue will be the lag for controlling the games. I honestly doubt they will be able to get down to 1/60th of a frame per second lag time like the Wii U has, so this could be an issue. Arthur Jarret Yes, it’s a big advantage – I agree. However, each seperate controller does require a module – and the price difference between a model with one single module (350 USD) and a model with two modules (410 USD) is 60 USD – a bit over the retail price of a first party controller. So it’s not a good product for someone who has an issue with having to share the TV – as it’s cheaper to buy a second television set and buy seperate controllers if required. It would be a brilliant device if they could’ve made it under a 100 USD price point. Even at a 150USD price point it could be a moderate success… but for 350USD – higher than the price of the entire Wii U , together with an additional 60USD cost for each console you want to use it for – I cannot see a market for this. companyoflosers if i wasnt so suspicious of so many kickstarter projects these days id fund it. it sounds like a great idea, id love to use it with my pc, especially if it allowed me to leave the room the pc is in and take it around my house freely. NkoSekirei i smell lawsuit from nintendo seriously these people need to get their own ideas instead of copying from nintendo Magnus Eriksson But they made it look betterr than the WiiU Pad, at least give them credit for that. 🙂 companyoflosers well nintendo got the majority of their pro controller design from the 360 controller so if they can change a few buttons around and get away with it, im sure this device can as well. it IS also a prototype so they may further change the design to make itself stad out from the wii u gamepad. plus nintendo didnt patent the technology to do this type of thing either or at least i dont think they did so pretty much anybody is free to make a tablet controller as long as they can make it look different enough from each other’s designs. Zuxs13 What is there to sue over? It doesn’t use the same technology as the WiiU gamepad, and it doesn’t look enough like it for that either. Morris ヅ thats even uglyer then the wii U GPad majora :D Isn’t this plagiarism? Daniel Gonzalez I would think if it was, they wouldn’t even bother to try to start a campaign for it. I’m quite sure they did their homework and had legal advice. majora :D You have a very good point 00EpicGamer00 Don’t be so sure on that. Remember that Microsoft thought they owned Donkey Kong after purchasing Rare. They didn’t do their homework. But, just imagine what would of happened if Microsoft would of released a Donkey Kong game before being told xD Daniel Gonzalez The technology that they’re using isn’t something that Nintendo owns. A tablet that just streams video isn’t the same as the gamepad, which has touchscreen and a few other features that they’re not using. So no, it’s not the same. They’re not stealing patents. If that were true, then I suppose tablet PC manfacturers should be sued. Plus, offscreen play isn’t any different than streaming games to your pc, which is what Nvidia’s Shield does. I’m sure you get the point. As for Donkey Kong, yeah, Microsoft didn’t do their homework. No argument there. Lol. Even to this day, I’m amused. 00EpicGamer00 Well yeah, It’d be a complete waste to not go through all the copyright procedures. I’m pretty sure they discussed with Nintendo, and they must of been okay with it. They wouldn’t of been able to put up a campaign if Nintendo said “no.” Daniel Gonzalez I don’t think they’d have to talk with them if they weren’t using their technology. So I doubt they did when it’s that situation. Though, it is possible that Nintendo contacted them perhaps . Who knows. Far as I can tell, they didn’t steal Nintendo’s patents so there shouldn’t be any problems I don’t think. It’s only at 18k right now on kickstarter, so it may not reach it’s funding goal. Then again, they do have 41 days left. Zuxs13 plagiarism is for printed works, this would be patten infringement. And it is not, it is a game pad with a wireless HDMI transmitter/reviver in it. Only thing they need to get approval for is the Bluetooth/RF controls for the xbox and PS3. Jon What do I think? It’s the same old same old, Nintendo creates something cool, People rip it off and claim they are great at innovation. discuss These guys will fail. Just look at the picture they released. I can’t take someone seriously who can’t even whipe the device before trying to advertise it. Rafael Saldana Ouya sucks balls and so does everyone that buys that piece of crap Mario Yeah… Sounds nice and all, but I don’t think I’ll need this. (Please don’t hate me. I’m just giving my honest opinion). $41809923 I WEATHER WAIT FOR A 2DS XL U GAMEPAD THEN THIS YOU JUST NO ITS COMING OUT SOON jdiaz1994 I’m pretty sure there is a chance that Nintendo will shut this down. Zuxs13 Nothing to shut down. They are not infringing on any Nintendo pattens. Yaboydd People shouldn’t really, put this kind of news out there, then people may have the idea of getting it and supporting it howling_wolf1334:[ Hahahaha!!! Now I remember when a lot of people was talking cr@p about the Wii U!!! I would like to see one of those gamepads for the ps3 or ps4, & also for the shitbox 360 or the “ecsbots juan”(shitbox one, as spanish sounds)… I cant stop my laugh!!! Hahaha!!! Everyone copies nintendo in almost every way of gameplay, when is succesfull… Eric Degrechie This is cool and I hope this happens. I doubt the option to play with a gamepad on everything else will take away the appeal to the Wii U, as long as Nintendo designs games specifically around the gamepad and makes creative use of it. Off-screen play sounds great for my PS3 though! Sharingan Wouldn’t work, will be a complete fail if ever it “pass” the kickstarter. I think the software developers are the ones that makes and decide an off TV gameplay. It’s not like having just the gamepad with a screen will work, the software needs to be coded for it to work. CyanideInsanity Actually it doesn’t need anything else for the display. It comes with a HDMI dongle that sends the video signal to the device. The controller aspect is different and does require more work however, but is probably still fairly simple. Isaac Franco This is what was missing of XBox 360 and PS3 to match Wii U. So there you go guys, the three current generation consoles waiting for perhaps more computer alike but be realistic, the real new gen ones! Nintendo wake up!!!! Vision!!! CyanideInsanity I really doubt they’ll get sued, its just a wireless display inside a controller. Honestly that’s probably too broad an idea to patent. And as for the design, its still a prototype not a final product. Zuxs13 Hmm i like the idea, i think i could make one for myself. Pretty simple concept. Then i could have “2” WiiU game pads. Joey Perez Can’t happen I’m sure Nintendo would sue 00EpicGamer00 http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/482/template.jpg MysticDude97 I know, right. MysticDude97 Did this thing get sued or shut down, yet? It wouldn’t be fair if Sony and Microsoft and Sony got their hands on what makes the Wii U truely unique. dinos24 Pretty sure that’s an NES d-pad… Petri Not only that I do not have any faith in this project, even if they did get it to work, it does not seem anywhere near convenient to use. Jared Garcia Somebody really wants Nintendo’s next gen identity ruined. Of course, any way to knock off the Big N early would greatly benefit Microsoft. I think Sony has more respect than that. Aamir Islam Is this legal? Daniel Gonzalez Yes. Aamir Islam But all the buttons are in the same place and it looks exactly like a Wii U gamepad Daniel Gonzalez The tech that’s used in the Cross Plane is current technology and is used in other devices such as ipods, android phones, etc. So it’s not something that Nintendo has patents on. Even Nvidia Shield streams games from the PC. They explain all this on their kickstarter page. A lot of devices look similar. Do you think Nintendo can sue pc tablet manufacturers? Point being, they broke no laws. wober2 If apple can sue samsung over look and feel of the os I would imagine nintendo could find something in this clone to sue as well. Daniel Gonzalez Perhaps. However, it’d be futile since it’s only a prototype and not the final design as they clearly stated on the kickstarter page, so it’s safe to say that it will look different if it gets past the final stages. Plus, if Nintendo were going to sue, they’d have done it by now. Bumsley Who would buy this Gamepad rip-off? You could buy a fucking Wii U for 350.