Bethesda believes that Nintendo has run out of time for convincing publishers and developers to support the Wii U. Vice President of PR and marketing Pete Hines believes that Nintendo should be mounting a better effort to make sure third parties are pleased and have a good idea of what functions a console will perform before it is released. “But they involved us very early on, and talking to folks like Bethesda and Gearbox, they say ‘here’s what we’re doing, here’s what we’re planning, here’s how we think it’s going to work’ to hear what we thought – from our tech guys and from an experience standpoint. You have to spend an unbelievable amount of time upfront doing that. If you’re just going sort off deciding ‘we’re going to make a box and this is how it works and you should make games for it.’ Well, no. No is my answer, I’m going to focus on other ones that better support what it is we’re trying to do.” Nintendo seems to be of the “if you build it, they will come” mindset when it comes to third party developers, which Hines says is the wrong approach. He goes on to further elaborate on how both Sony and Microsoft work at courting third-party developers to make sure they’re happy with everything that’s been outlined in the plans for a console, as well as taking input from these developers for the design of the system and its software. local_offer bethesda Nintendo wii u stars Further Reading Legendary Pokemon coming to Pokemon Go The cost of Nintendo consoles in today's dollars Wii U gets firmware update Watch the Smash 4 EVO Finals on Disney XD Take a peek at this week’s Nintendo Dow 9 things you probably didn't know about Super Mario Bros. CP9Kaku BullShit! Toadlord It’s not like Bethesda has published much on Nintendo systems anyway. They had a handful of Wii titles, and most of them never even made it to NA. Ballzbeard Nintendo has: Sega, Namco, Capcom, Ubisoft, Retro, and Platinum on their side. I think they can survive without Bethesda and EA for the time being. Ernie Sanguyo what kind of games bethesda makes? I know EA makes sports. Starfoxguy Bethesda makes RPGs like Fallout and Skyrim. JustAGuest They make more than RPGs they just aren’t as good. (Like Brink) aldo2410 Skyrim plays better on PC Bob Wilkerson From what I have heard from people that play the game that this game will probably not translate onto a console control scheme very well. Some games are designed to be played with a keyboard and mouse. Stephen Macneil You have it backwards. The game went to PC with console oriented controls and PC fans complained. I’m sure it’s been fixed but the game was designed mainly as a console game first. That being said, it does run better on PC since the specs are better than the current consoles out there. DragonSilths Skyrim (GLITCH FEST), Brink (Terrible AI). In short they cant program with a shit lol. Stephen Macneil I picked up Skyrim on release and only encountered 2 bugs, which were fixed within a week. The game probably is the biggest game of all time so they’re allowed to have a few bugs along the way, Saying they can’t program is asinine. Metal_Man_v2 Every game has glitches and exploits. I don’t know why people bag on Bethesda games for having something every game has. Maybe they are jealous? DragonSilths Brink was terrible, and if your a company who knows about glitches in your game but says OH FUCK IT we can just release it now and fix it later then that’s selling an unfinished product. Don’t be a blind fanboy. Sorry but I have a bit more respect for fans as a dev. Stephen Macneil Who’s the blind fan boy if you’re shitting on Bethesda for absolutely ridiculous reasons? The didn’t even develop Brink so using that against them is complete BS and you know it. The other game you try to claim is an unfinished mess, Skyrim, was almost universally accepted as game of the year when it was released and rightfully so. Fallout 3 had the same acclaim, just as Oblivion did before it. The only reason Bethesda Softworks games have bugs is because they are so massive and rich with gameplay elements people often find them after release and then they quickly get fixed. DragonSilths My bad, they were the Publishers of Brink, however they are still to blame. Its like Activison publishing COD they are part of the problem not the solution. Stephen Macneil They didn’t make Brink so don’t listen to the BS. They are known for massive open world role playing games like Fallout 3 and the Elder Scrolls. Archiq09 Bandai (make anime games) they have make a program for anime on wii u: Bandai Channel Truthteller That’s it? No system can survive off of so few 3rd parties and Ubisoft may be out. Clel k babe jay Chill Nasty Nate he’s my bitch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlPQJ7qIyyQ  Yeah, you’re completely right. That’s why the Wii.. oh wait.. Donaald Thank you for your irrelevant opinion. Daniel Gonzalez Retro is 1st party. SuperBob Retro are 2nd party since they only develop for Nintendo. Nintendo are a 1st party since they have a console and develop games for it and Ubisoft are a 3rd party since they develop for multiple systems. Daniel Gonzalez Retro is owned by Nintendo, which makes them a 1st party. Second party is a company that is independent but works close or exclusively with a manufacturer, in other words, a partnership. This is usually mixed up a lot. SuperBob Ah, I didn’t know they completely absorbed them. Daniel Gonzalez It’s cool, those two are mixed up often, so it’s a common mistake. I once thought that too. They bought them off in 2000. THEMIGHTYDOOVDE Maxis are owned by EA. Does that mean The Sims & Simcity are made by EA? No. EA have their own gaming studies while Maxis have their’s. Same as Nintendo and Rare. Daniel Gonzalez I don’t know, I can’t argue with them having their own gaming “studies.” 😛 All jokes aside, I would research the differences of 1st and 2nd party. I explained them both well enough, if that’s not enough, then I recommend looking into them. Have a good day. 🙂 P.S. “Maxis are owned by EA. Does that mean The Sims & Simcity are made by EA? ” What does that have to do with them being 1st party? 1st party doesn’t mean that Nintendo made Metroid Prime games, it means they published them. You apparently missed the point. THEMIGHTYDOOVDE 2nd parties are studios who are partially or wholly owned by the platform holder (also known as a subsidiary) and what they produce will usually be exclusive to that platform. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_developer Maxis and Retro are both subsidiaries. Daniel Gonzalez That doesn’t change it. That just means that they can be either/or. However, in Retro’s situation, they are a 1st party studio. You can call them a subsidiary if you like, that’s coo. It doesn’t change the fact that they are a first party. The term subsidiary falls under both, I can agree with that, but Retro is classified as 1st party, as well as Monolith Soft. We can go into technicalities all day and get nowhere. I’ll leave you to believe what you like. The Clockwork Being Nintendo EAD 1-10, Monolith Soft, Gamefreak,Retro Studios, Creatures Inc. Nd Cube, Intelligent Systems are all first party devs. Now 2nd party includes Atlus, HAL Laboratory, Level -5, Mistwalker, Next Level Games, Namco Bandai Games, Square Enix, Camelot Software Planning, Alpha Dream and more are all 2nd party. Third Party are the rest. Daniel is right Daniel Gonzalez Thank you. DragonSilths Retro wasnt always owned by Nintendo, they were 2nd party long ago. But even back then they only were involved with Nintendo. Daniel Gonzalez True, they were second party then, you’re right. Doesn’t apply to today, though. That what I was getting across. Sonic the Hedgehog So… that means I’m second party for now? Daniel Gonzalez Nah, you’re still third party. So you’re not in Nintendo’s clutches. 😛 Someday perhaps? Sonic the Hedgehog Well, the way Nintendo’s treating me, I feel like 1st party all over again. I salute them for taking great care of me ever since I lost my own home console. Guest Nintendo, Monolith Soft, Gamefreak,Retro Studios, Creatures Inc. Nd Cube, Intelligent Systems are all first party devs. Now 2nd party includes Atlus, HAL Laboratory, Level -5, Mistwalker, Next Level Games, Namco Bandai Games, Square Enix, Camelot Software Planning, Alpha Dream and more are all 2nd party. Third Party are the rest. goldmrmber Sorry dude your wrong THERE 1ST PARTY THETE PART OF NINTENDO ITS SELF NOT 2RD PARTY AT ALL SuperBob Public schools… Magnus Eriksson Hmmm… where is the games from those guys then? Where is Street Fighter IV? Why did Ubi decide to go multiplat with Rayman? Daniel Gonzalez There was no guaranteed profit. Plus, who can blame them. The Wii U hasn’t sold. Besides, Rayman has always been a multiplat franchise and should remain that way. I agreed with Ubisoft with their decision. ItzameyaToad I agree but it was rather stupid of them to decide to make it known that it is an exclusive only to abandon that idea and go multiplat. To many people that pissed them off, not so much the fact that it is/was no longer an exclusive but that Ubisoft made a big deal out of a game only to retract there statements a few weeks before it’s expected Wii U launch. And really I think it would have been perfect for them to launch it exclusively on Wii U which would most likely get Wii U sales to rise and if down the road they hadn’t made as much money then they could go multiplat. Ubisoft fumbled the chance to deal with it much better than they did. Darkness I don’t like the Rayman Legends thing as much as the next guy, but it does make pretty good sense. I don’t like how they made it a big deal about it being exclusive either, but they expected the Wii U to sale good at that time and it did 400,000 in it’s first week, so I can understand why they thought they would make it exclusive. Now for your last point down the road they probably would have did well, but that would have been risky. Another reason why they couldn’t release it and see how it did down the road is because Microsoft has a policy on publishers that says any multiplat that comes to the system has to come out on the Xbox 360 before or the same time as the other consoles. ItzameyaToad I think the part where Ubisoft messed up and what pissed people of was making it multiplat only like 2 weeks before its Wii U launch.And really yeah Wii U’s sales wheren’t that great but they should have realized that with no risk no reward. Rayman Legends was expected to HELP sell the Wii U. It was just one of those titles alot of people bought there Wii U’s for or where waiting to buy Wii U’s when it came out. And IMO that deal with Microsoft should be there downfall haha. If I was Ubisoft I would say ok you don’t want it? Ok we will put it on PS3 and Wii U exclusivly and you can sit there wishing you would have taken it. In all seriousness though that is the thing that most people think swayed Ubisoft to go multiplat. They got scared right before it’s launch, thought we could make a little bit more releasing on all consoles, and that Microsoft would only allow them to go full multiplat if it wasn’t first a Wii U exclusive. I personally think we need to only look at sales on the WIi U version and we see that the Wii U version is outselling the other versions by quite a bit.Ubisoft should have taken the risk IMO as they probably would have sold alot more keeping it Wii U exclusive especially seeing as Wii U had very little to no compettition for it back in Feb. while the PS3 and Xbox 360 are having big game after big game taking the spotlight off of RL. Darkness I agree, but I have to admit I still wouldn’t have taken that risk blindtiger guaranteed profit is completely at odds with innovation… its nintendo vs. the rest. they are different philosophical viewpoints and why fanboyism is so extreme. pick a side or pick both. the argument is pointless. we are a bunch of losers… i cant believe i got sucked into the internet when my job burned down… there is so much more happening outside of gaming. Daniel Gonzalez Fanboyism is extreme because the media encourages it. Good example, articles like this. While it’s news, it’s also news that’s going to piss off the average fanboy. JustAGuest I’d make a slap bet with you that PS4 and Xbox One won’t sell much better if even better at all. I think it’s a change in the market. Daniel Gonzalez I wouldn’t fully disagree that they will have a slow start too, but I doubt it’d be the situation of the Wii U. In any case, we’ll just have to see and wait. david jarman Nintendo and capcom are working on a collaboration of some sort right now. Raymen wii u is out selling the other two formats in the uk right now and it will do the same thing stateside. Stephen Davis I disagree with you on EA. I for one would like to see BF4. Also EA Sports games (I am a sports fan) BF4 not that big of hit to WIIU not having, but sports titles?? Thats HUGE! And I really wish that whatever is causing this drought in software to end soon. Marcus Navarro Any sensible gamer would know that sports games aren’t really hard hitters. EA Sports games net EA quite a bit of profit, but only through grace of being inexpensive to make(usually recycled) and transactions for in-game purchases using a points system established by the network provider(MSP or PS$). Ventusblade They still need Square Enix on there side Zeldude Not really… They have Monolith Soft on their side. Many devs from Square Enix are now with Monolith. And don’t forget Mistwalker. Can’t wait what their plans are for the future. Last Story 2 maybe? 😀 jay Yeah Monolith is a Monster. Can’t wait for X Bob Wilkerson Still would be nice to Square Enix on board for Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts jay Yeah would be nice. Zeldude Well ok Kingdom Hearts would be cool and would really fit to Wii U but personally i don’t need Final Fantasy any longer. The last great FF game was 10 imo. Since Sakaguchi and Uematsu (and many other devs) are gone from Square Enix it went downstairs for the FF franchise. I think nothing will come close to the older games. Bob Wilkerson I honestly have never played either. I just know they have a pretty big fan base and both have roots with Nintendo and their fans. Ducked They actually have a HUGE fanbase. Sora Morp yeah we need the kh series back on consoles and no more of final fantasy..13, 14, 14 this, 14 that, 15 thi etc Rich Garriques square is stupid , they should of just release kingdom hearts hd 1.5 remix for wii u besides 352 days/ chain of memories is on it that is original a nintendo title. Tecpedz94 Well on nintendo’s portable console lots of Final fantasy where released as well as kingdom hearts so i hope we can see the same for the home console. Jon I can with out the final fantasy series, It’s been going down hill for a long time now and FFXV doesn’t really look all that appealing. Rich Garriques id rather see monolith port kingdom hearts and final fantasy they are the truth devs Saul Strange And don’t forget the new Tomb Raider games! 🙂 I was totally shocked by how good the new reboot was, be nice to see the next one on Wii U. Bob Wilkerson I got that game free for PC with my Radeon Video card purchase. I hope to find the time to play it soon. Saul Strange I’ve not played a Tomb Raider game since the first one in 1997 (I think) and had no interest in it whatsoever, but I was given a copy last week and it’s really good! Much better than 90% of the generic crap I’ve played on my Xbox. Takes an hour or so to get going, but it’s totally worth persevering with. reyn69sharla neither can i. Rich Garriques and what people dont know is platnium games secretly has capcoms past devs. that use to make great games not resident evil 5 and up Kaihaku Plus they seem to have a good relationship with Atlus. Ventusblade I love monolith, but there bag of games doesn’t include Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts. Jon Square Enix to me is…..”Don’t really care”. Their FF games have been going down hill for a while now and Kingdom Hearts, year looks cool but not something that I’d be excited about. Ventusblade Crisis Core was amazing! And Final Fantasy 15 will is going to be amazing. I just didn’t like FF14, and the same FF13. Jon how can you say FF15 will be amazing when you don’t really have any idea? FF 13 was supposed to be amazing but… it was just ok Ventusblade I dunno. In honesty I’m mad at Square Enix ever since they left Cloud out of the series. Jon why are are you do upset that cloud is not in the series…..? The games were almost ALWAY set in a new world with a new story. Honestly, I think it should be that way. Cloud was from FF7 which was like 16 years ago and if they kept using the characters from the same game for the last 16 yeah that is an RPG that doesn’t have a new story…. it would die very fast. RPG are not like platformers where you can easily recycle characters. People play RPG’s for a story, not for the same story or a very similar story with the same characters. The other thing I don’t really get is why people are over rating this game so much. Cloud was simply a character in that game and Just because he was in the first 3D FF game, he should be the image for Final Fantasy. That is simply how you destroy your series even quicker than they are now. Ventusblade That’s not all true. If you keep making new characters over and over, then the series runs out of things. They could have used Cloud in FF8 and FF9, and it wouldn’t hurt anything. I’m all for having different characters, but not for it to change in every new game. Jon If they used the same characters they’d, they run into the same problem except even sooner. Same characters would need pretty much the same game world, their basics would pretty much be the same, same personality for them, same fighting style and type, etc. If it wasn’t the same world then there would be a lot not making sense unless there was a major reason for the change and if that happens, then you still get new characters just with the same face. Would you really want that? Having the same character which you loved have a different personality that differs from what made them great? I doubt it. The Final Fantasy games are about making new stories, new stuff to explore and new experiences. People don’t want to have to play the same character over and over. Sharingan Been a Squaresoft (PS1) fan for life but with the Square Enix line up for this last generation was stale. Before, every time a Squaresoft name appears in the cover its an instant buy. Now, it’s more like; let’s check out the review first. Ventusblade Yeah I admit they had a lot of duds mostly with the FF series. But Crisis Core, Dream Drop Distance, and Birth by Sleep were pretty solid games. And don’t forget Tomb Raider. DragonSilths Square hasnt been good for a few years now. Rich Garriques square will come begging soon. Ventusblade Square has never begged and never will. Nintendo needs to make a effort. beatmanny they had to kiss nintendo’s a** a decade ago when they wanted to make games for gameboy advance after abandoning them from n64 era. Ventusblade No they didn’t beg, they just gave them ports for money. beatmanny nope, they wanted to develop badly for gameboy advance (they first supported wonderswan but we know what happened to that). they had to develop for gamecube as well to appease nintendo for what they did to them. beatmanny square enix’s games nowadays are pretty sh*tty Ventusblade Dream Drop Distance, Birth by Sleep, Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs, Hitman Absolution pretty sh!tty? I don’t think so… beatmanny except for tomb raider and hitman, yes. they are going down pretty fast josh technically square enix does support the wii u. they are putting out deus ex and dragon quest x. but i understand what you mean. there could be a lot more support than there is Rukiafan Rukiachan Sorry Bethesda, but all you seem to want to do is make glitchy bug ass games. Kristian Kouvo Bethesda has some dead space in their brains. blindtiger seriously… they make good games but my need for them is miniscule when compared to my need for nintendos. ive always been a one console gamer. i tried a dreamcast and a ps2 but came back to nintendo. its just not even comparable. i would love to buy madden 25 or skyrim but refuse to buy a ps4. jay Big companies like Bethesda are crying like babies while Indy developers skip the BS and go to work. Sad. Bob Wilkerson Their statement came off like “Nintendo did not kiss our ass or throw any “perks” our way so we are not going to develop for them” While I agree that Nintendo should reach out to developers it seems very hard for any of the game companies to touch base with every single developer out there. It seems more logical for the developer to reach out to the few gaming platforms themselves seeing is there are only a handful of them compared to the thousands of developers out there. Daniel Gonzalez Each developer has in their mind what they want out of a platform. Wii U just didn’t have what it was looking for. Bob Wilkerson I can respect that but the way they made the bold claim that Nintendo is too late reach out to all third parties is over based on their personal business plans seems a bit like an assumption based off personal bias don’t you think? Daniel Gonzalez Perhaps it’s biased, but then again, it’s their opinion. If people on this site attacked them(as they cearly did) then they did a good job of getting under people’s skin. It’s just the way of life. All developers have their own outlook on the Wii U, some love it and some downright dislike it. True, they were rude about it, but then again, so was Reggie trying to call the competition “meh.” All sides here are guilty one way or another. Saul Strange Totally agree. I do think he came off as a little biased, especially when claiming to speak for other third parties, but his main point was pretty solid. Seeing how much Nintendo has struggled to get to grips with HD game development, it may have been a good idea to consult with third parties (who have been making HD games for 8+ years) about building a console that was easy to program for, as well as forward looking enough to be viable for their future games for the next 5-10 years. blindtiger thats PR bullshit. i dont care why you arent developing for my favorite console (of all time). its your loss. while i do like some variety, i will not buy a ps4 period. ill buy the games that DO come out for my system and wont lose any sleep about the rest. bethesda and ea need to keep their mouth shut. everytime they open it… its less and less likely i will buy anything from them even after they change their minds and realize nintendo continues to be the best. Daniel Gonzalez All PR is potentially bullshit. However, developers are going to go where they feel the money will be. That is the case with Bethesda. As for their comments, I agree to disagree. Eric Exactly this. I think the point Hines was trying to make was Sony and Microsoft spoke to developers and involved them to some degree in the design process; They wanted to know what developers wanted to do so they could make their hardware accordingly. Nintendo didn’t do that, and a result of that was the Wii U was not an attractive platform for Bethesda. It’s not console bashing, it’s more a business thing. That said, I am fine with it, Bethesda’s games are better on a PC than on any console, in my opinion. The Wii U has it’s nitch, and I think it will fill it in time. Daniel Gonzalez Exactly. Nintendo didn’t include 3rd parties into their development plans. It’s more or less do what they want or walk, and Bethesda walked. Not everyone will follow what Nintendo believes in. Well said. You have my upvote. Kaihaku That last paragraph sums it up for me… Why would anyone want to play Elder Scrolls on a console? Stephen Macneil Elder Scrolls was designed with console in mind. The number one things PC gamers complained about was how console oriented the controls were on Skyrim. jay No I agree. They also said Nintendo fans will miss “great” Bethesda games. Truth is, the tides are changing. Greed is growing within the industry and if online fees, massive DLC(not to mention incomplete games with DLC) and monthly fees are not excepted by Nintendo, developers will be leaving them. Proof? EA and Origin. Sharingan I agree. Now they announce upcoming DLC prior to game releases. But I blame the gamers to. We often whine when no DLC are to be release or be made for a game. We were actually the one that kept feeding the greedy dragons and when it grew, it devoured us. DragonSilths Nintendo would have no interest in putting glitch filled games on their systems. Remember the Nintendo Seal Of Quality? Bethesda has the worst programmers in the business lol. Metal_Man_v2 EA sure, but Bethesda? They make very large scale games that quite honestly, the Wii U hasn’t proven it can handle. I don’t think they implied anywhere that the Wii U is a bad console, but it’s obvious that it doesn’t meet their needs as developers for the types of games they want to make. jay “They make very large scale games that quite honestly, the Wii U hasn’t proven it can handle” Monolith’s X Metal_Man_v2 That game isn’t out yet, and there are no other large scale games on the Wii U yet, so the Wii U has yet to prove that it can handle large scale games. It is not profitable for a company to try to port a game to a different console only to fail. Bethesda is interested in making large scale games like ESO, a massive MMO that is around 9 times larger than their last game, Skyrim. I can’t honestly say that I can picture that game running on the Wii U. There is a reason the Wii U is less expensive than a PS4, Xbox One, or gaming PC. jay No it’s not out. But if you’ve played Xenoblade on Wii you can imagine how massive this game will be. Xenoblade has one of the largest worlds ever conceived. The map is a lot larger than Skyrim. Now imagine a bigger Xenoblade in HD, judging by that alone it is very well larger than Skyrim and should play without crashing. Daniel Gonzalez Will it be larger than ESO? Answer me that one since both aren’t even out. I don’t think it matters if we’ve played Xenoblade or not since that’s the Wii and we’re on the Wii U now. Just to make it fair, we can exclude Skyrim as well. Also, how do you know that Xenoblade is larger than Skyrim? Was there any official news that stated that as a fact? Metal_Man_v2 Yeah, apparently some people missed the point, or maybe I was unclear. The only reason I brought up Skyrim was to show how much bigger Bethesda’s new game, ESO, is compared to the last game in the series, Skyrim. ESO is all of tamriel, and therefore about 9 times bigger than Skyrim. The question was never whether or not the Wii U could run Skryim. Skyrim is a 2 year old last gen game. Bethesda is making bigger games than that. Daniel Gonzalez He brought up the Skyrim can run on Wii U to defend Nintendo for whatever reason. So far all he’s been is disrespectful and acting like a know it all, so for that, I wouldn’t take him too seriously. After this article I’m done dealing with people like that, I think they’ve exposed themselves enough to their obvious hatred. I agree, ESO will be bigger, since with an MMO and being on PC, there’s no limits vs consoles who can’t really push out what a PC can do. I would expect Skyrim to be able to run on Wii U, but it’s now last gen as you say, and isn’t any longer relevant to next gen consoles. People can call skyrim a glitchfest as much as they wish, it just tells people like me and perhaps yourself included that diehard fanboys are either jealous or delusional to think that they don’t care one bit. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be commenting at all. Metal_Man_v2 Unless I’m mistaken, Xenoblade isn’t an MMO. There is a huge difference in a massive open world single player game, and a massive open world MMO. I can’t picture the Wii U handling 100+ player controlled characters in a massive fight. Part of this doubt stems from the fact that Nintendo doesn’t even implement simple 4 person online multiplayer on games like Mario. Kristian Kouvo Are you for real? A single client machine doesn’t even have to handle all these landscapes and players at once, it is done by the SERVERS and the client machine only renders the data and show only a part of the landscape at once. This is how it is done on ALL machines. Get your facts right. Metal_Man_v2 ESO isn’t using servers, it is using one superserver. No, you obviously don’t render everything in the game at once, but even in the small onscreen areas that you are in, there are 100+ person fights or co-op quests happening, plus NPCs and monsters, and various dynamic effects. The information for everybody is mostly processed in the superserver, but what you are playing on, PC or console, still has to be able to handle the relayed information and present it to you. DragonSilths Windwaker HD is a fairly big game. The new Zelda will be huge. Christopher Acuna You cannot bring up an example of a game that hasn’t even come out yet. But to every one else…if you think that WiiU cannot handle a game like Skyrim or Dishonored then you must be smoking from the same pipe as Bethesda and EA. jay Excuse me I was quoting someone else. Of course it can Handle Skyrim 😉 oontz Wow you own that game already? Daniel Gonzalez You’re right, they didn’t. It’s a matter of preference and opinion. Kristian Kouvo Cryengine for Wii U, anyone? — http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/08/crytek_announces_new_cryengine_and_doesnt_exclude_wii_u_champagne_corks_are_popped Metal_Man_v2 That’s great, but we already knew graphics weren’t holding the Wii U back. Kristian Kouvo Oh I thought you just held a speech about how Wii U can’t do all things. Well if Cryengine is possible, then everything else is too. How do you think PS3 ever could perform anything if Wii U is much more capable than that console (PS3 had only 256meg of RAM) – and because of the integrated chipset design Wii U also copes pretty well also against PS4 and XBOX One. Again, facts. Metal_Man_v2 No, that’s not how it works. Cryengine is a graphics engine. Graphics are not potentially holding the Wii U back, it’s hardware requirements. Being able to run a graphics engine does not mean “problem solved everything can magically run on the Wii U”. I don’t think ESO even uses CryEngine3 for it’s visuals. For example, the PS3 can also run cryengine 3, but it can’t support 64 person multiplayer in BF4, like the PS4 or a PC can. This is due to hardware limitations. It has little to nothing to do with graphics. greengecko007 Already well established franchises and companies =/= unknown developing teams with no influence in the gaming industry. The old saying “beggars can’t be choosers” applies well to indie developers. Big names like EA and Bethesda can do what they want. You talk big about Nintendo for doing whatever they want, even when for the past 15 years it has been ignoring the very companies they all of a sudden want a partnership with. Nintendo is basically trying to get back together with everyone they already broke up with. Metal_Man_v2 Nintendo has done a decent job getting 3rd party support so far. No realistic person expected every single 3rd party developer team to jump on the Wii U just because it was new and Nintendo was interested in them. It takes time to build these relationships, and it looks like Nintendo is strengthening its relationships with companies that already support them, like Sega, Ubisoft, etc. Martijn Plasmans I don;t understand how they can say this while there were a lot of other 3rd party games even at launch!? Steven_Segal You forgot Activision! Big supporters and I hope their games sell well on Wii U so we can have DESTINY!!! Elitepwnsface Ew Capcom. Rich Garriques lets speak the truth , nintendo doesnt need bethesda and ea , never did never will truth hurts i know. Kaihaku Don’t forget Atlus. Saul Strange Right about Sega. Dunno about Namco, Tekken Tag on Wii U didn’t sell very well and I’m not up to speed on any other games coming out from them. Capcom aren’t releasing Ultra Street Fighter 4 on Wii U, so I wouldn’t say Nintendo “has” them. Ubisoft have been amazing for Wii U, I guess we have to wait until after christmas to see if they’ll continue full support, hopefully they will. Right about Retro, obviously. Dunno about Platinum, Nintendo are paying them to make those 2 games, and seeing how badly Wonderful 101 is selling, I doubt they’d be so friendly without financial backing. Just being realistic. Arthur Jarret Don’t forget this either: http://wiiudaily.com/2011/06/nintendo-metroid-definitely-coming-to-wii-u/ Kaleb So pretty much just make it as easy as possible to develop for specific companies so that company has to do very little work on their game, developers are just getting lazy. Ernie Sanguyo getting lazy making a gamepad features lol. oontz Yeah because we all know companies do very little work on their games. Working 60+ hour weeks for 2 to 3 years on something they love… all for some little piss ant like yourself to come along talking sh*t. Get a life. Kaleb Not talking sh*t to anyone, It just seems like “Bribe us and we will work hard” “Don’t bribe us and we won’t bother” oontz At which point in the video does he say it’s a financial thing? Making assumptions that companies bribe each other is rather childish. Kaleb Bribing doesn’t need to be money, I think catering would have been a better word, oontz Well catering and bribing are two completely different things. Daniel Carvalho The time to convince third parties to come to your console is during it’s entire lifetime. Some will leave your console, some will naturally come to it, no matter if your console is based in raw power, internet connectivity or gameplay experience. Just because Bethesda doesn’t see a reason to migrate to Nintendo consoles doesn’t mean they won’t do it in the future, or that the time for third parties to do so is long gone. jay Bethesda: “It’s too late” It’s never too late. oontz Way to take what he said completely out of context. Ray01x What a load of BS. They’re sounding like EA right now, therefore, I will give them a similar response. Hey Bethesda! Right here buddy!: …………………./´￣/) ………………..,/￣../ ………………./…./ …………./´￣/’…’/´￣￣`・， ………./’/…/…./……./¨￣ ……..(‘(…´…´…. ￣~/’…’) ……………………..’…../ ……….”…………. _.・´ ……………………..( ………………………… Magnus Eriksson Maybe its Nintendo who is giving bullshit? Daniel Gonzalez You never know sometimes. Can’t really trust everything that you read. I’m usually on the fence with these sort of claims. Magnus Eriksson Why are not fans asking themselves the question; why? Why wont Nintendo get support from this LONG list of developers? Daniel Gonzalez Well, the simple answer is, lack of interest. I don’t think any third party wants to risk money on a console that barely has 4 million consoles sold. There’s no profit. Plus, with 3rd parties not selling well on Nintendo consoles over the ears, 4 million they’d barely make a million with the lack of hardware out there right now. It’s not to say they won’t in the future, but they don’t see it as an investment. Most fans forget it’s business first. Just like Nintendo protects their business, so do third parties. JustAGuest That’s not true, especially if you don’t have a ridiculously high budget for the game. Being first or early to publish an awesome game to a new console can be very beneficial. If it’s a hit game most of the people who have a Wii U will pick it up and new comers will look at it as one of the first games to get. In the first year of a consoles life there is a whole lot less competition that on already established consoles. Nintenjoe82 Money. It has nothing to do with Nintendo not giving them a hug with a dev kit in 2010. Developers have next to no say in the matter of what games are made. All devs need money to fund games and that comes from their publishers. Publishers don’t take risks and the Wii U is a risk because Nintendo have not subsidised the 3rd parties to make games for them. MS and Sony do this. Most of the developers talking about why they aren’t making Wii U games are just talking out of their arse to fill time when being asked the same questions over and over and it gets turned into an ‘anti-wiiu’ story. I’m guessing EA lost money on their launch gamesand/ or Nintendo refused to help them in the same way that MS has (by buying loads of copies of FIFA). Wayne Beck Everybody knows Nintendo is not going to beg Third Parties for games and they are certainly not going to let someone tell them how to make their console. Nintendo designs their consoles for the games Nintendo wants to make. For this guy to say they won’t put games on Nintendo because Nintendo didn’t consult with them is arrogance in it’s purest form. There are thousands of developers in this world. Is Nintendo supposed to ask them all what they want? What he really meant to say is Nintendo didn’t offer them 30 million dollars for their games, like Microsoft and Sony do. Daniel Gonzalez Nothing wrong with getting exclusives. Business ethics change over the years. If Nintendo isn’t comforable with it, then that’s cool, but with that said, then third party offerings will be small. Wayne Beck Don’t disagree at all, but as usual, Nintendo does not need them. Especially if they are going to continue releasing a First Party game ever month. People who only own Nintendo, only play Nintendo. People who want something else, own two systems. Guest Nice name.. No wonder you’re a fucking troll. Andreas Sunde I’m sorry, what? What about his name makes him a troll? O.o Yousif Alromaithi He has the same name as Chrono Enemy whose name is Magnus off course. Lol I am just kidding. Guest crack open a book sometime.. read about magnus erikkson IV. 14th century dick of a king. He would sign a treaty then turn around and troll on the country he just made peace with. Yousif Alromaithi Oh man no now you are starting a war. Andreas Sunde And therefore all people with that name is a troll. Makes sense. Derk Magnus Erikkson 1 Magnus Erikkson 11 Magnus Erikkson 111 All of them “trolls”? Magnus Eriksson Erikkson? To have read many books you are kind of bad at spelling… jay Sounds like the US Nintenjoe82 I’m not doubting that Nintendo made absolutely zero effort at any point to befriend Bethesda (and are probably the ones who made the first dick move in the EA-Nintendo unprecedented non-partnership) but for him to get caught up saying that Nintendo have missed the chance to get 3rd parties on board is missing the point of how Nintendo got where it is today, how it won the last generation and how it will continue to exist in gaming. Yousif Alromaithi I agree Nintendo never focused on Bethesda but now I hate Bethesda for two things. One is this but it clearly did not piss me off like what EA did in the past. Second is Elder Scrolls Online comes with a fee of 15 dollars per month. No way as hell I am picking the PS4 or an Xbox One just to pay that stupid amount. Bethesda is going like Capcom and Square from last generation. So they will suffer for it. EA in the other hand has no competition while Bethesda has competition from Square, Capcom, CD Projekt RED, Namco Bandai and so on. I know EA charge us with origins that’s why Need for Speed continue to decline. It Seems Ubisoft will take on Need for Speed with the Crew. So Bethesda need’s to learn the hard way. Andreas Sunde That fee made me completely lose interest in the game. So yeah, good move… Yousif Alromaithi Let Bethesda do what he wants I no way as hell will buy the game. That’s comes from a guy who owns all three. jay Nintendo wants no part in the online fee BS. So you’ll continue to read” Wii U isn’t capable” or “Nintendo is for babies” from grown ass men. Oh yeah and also: “But they involved us very early on”/ “Nintendo is too late”. oontz Aren’t most MMOs based on a monthly fee? Bethesda isn’t doing anything out of the ordinary by charging a fee to play its MMO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_games Yousif Alromaithi I know but I ain’t paying that much unless it is somethings special. Will wait for reviews. The games I like FF14 and FF11. Also I was World of Warcraft fan so anyways that is in the past I will stick with 14 instead. John Andalora I feel pity for those blinded by fanboyism to see the truth. Sasori Obinna Onuorah excuses of excuses. look at great developer tt games ativision sega platimum games c capcom monolift soft game freak ubisoft wb games indie developers retro studios and more all these developer are great and are supporting nintendo. wii u owners should be buying their games on wii u to show support. Sasori Obinna Onuorah i foggot to mention atlus supporting wii u Baum 「ツリー」 Retro, Monolith and GameFreak are first-party devs… Andy PS$ Developer list: ACQUIRE Corp. ARC SYSTEM WORKS CO.,LTD. ARTDINK CORPORATION ASCII MEDIA WORKS Inc. Bethesda Softworks, LLC CAPCOM Chara-Ani Corporation CRAFTS & MEISTER CO.,LTD. CyberConnect2 Co.,Ltd. D3 PUBLISHER Inc. Dimps Corporation Electronic Arts Inc. FromSoftware, Inc. GANBARION Co., Ltd. Genki Co., Ltd. Granzella Inc. GRASSHOPPER MANUFACTURE INC. GungHo Online Entertainment, Inc. GUST CO.,LTD. IDEA FACTORY Co., Ltd. IMAGEEPOCH INC. Index Corp.（ATLUS) KADOKAWA GAMES,LTD. KADOKAWA SHOTEN CO., LTD. Konami Digital Entertainment Co., Ltd. LEVEL-5 Inc. MAGES. Inc. MarvelousAQL Inc. NAMCO BANDAI Games Inc. NAMCO BANDAI Studios Inc. NIHON FALCOM CORPORATION Nippon Ichi Software, Inc. O-TWO inc. (peakvox) PlatinumGames Inc. SEGA Corporation SPIKE CHUNSOFT Co.,Ltd. SQUARE ENIX Co., Ltd. SystemSoft Alpha Corp. TECMO KOEI GAMES Co.,Ltd. TOSE CO., LTD. tri-Ace Inc. Ubisoft Entertainment WILL CO., LTD XING Inc. YUKE’S Co.,Ltd. Asia: BLUESIDE Inc. Ratloop Asia Pte Ltd Red Hare Studios XPEC Entertainment Inc. North America: 17-Bit 5th Cell Media LLC Activision Publishing, Inc. Armature Studios Behaviour Interactive Bethesda Softworks, LLC Blind Squirrel Games® Certain Affinity, Inc. Darkside Game Studios, Inc. Devolver Digital Disney Double Fine Productions, Inc. Double Helix Games DrinkBox Studios Inc. Edge of Reality, Inc. Electronic Arts Inc. FarSight Studios Gaijin Games, Inc. Gearbox Software HB Studios Multimedia Heavy Iron Studios, Inc. High Voltage Software, Inc. inXile Entertainment Inc. Iron Galaxy Studios, LLC JETPACK Interactive Entertainment Ltd. Klei Entertainment Inc. Lab Zero, Inc LucasArts, a Lucasfilm Ltd. company Metanet Software Inc Minority Media Iinc. Nicalis, Inc Panic Button, LLC Psyonix Studios, Inc. Slant Six Games Sony Online Entertainment LLC Spark Unlimited Spry Fox LLC SuperVillain Studios Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Telltale, Inc. Tribute Games Inc. Turtle Rock Studios, Inc. Ubisoft Entertainment vBlank Entertainment Inc. Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, Inc. WayForward Technologies, Inc. Zombie Studios, LLC Europe and PAL: 4A Games 505 Games Abstraction Beatshapers Big Ant Big Bit BitComposer Bloober Team S.A. Boss Alien Bugbear Cauldron City Interactive Criterion Games Croteam Curve Studios Dakko Dakko Ltd Deck 13 Double Eleven Eko Software FatShark Flying Wildhog Four Door Lemon Frozenbyte FuturLab Gaijin GHOST GAMES – AN EA STUDIO Green Hill Studios Kalyspo Media Laughing Jackal Ludosity Mediatonic Milestone Mojang Onmi Systems Prodigy Design Ripstone Roll7 Ronimo Rovio Shortround Sperasoft Sproing Stormbasic Straight Right Targem Tate Techland Tonika Torus Games Vector Cell Virtual Toys Vlambeer Wizarbox Enough said…. Sasori Obinna Onuorah woooooooooooooooo Clel TEXT WALL ALERT But one thing I’d like to point out is that a ton of these are indie games, and also Sony does not make its own games. Daniel Gonzalez Nintendo doesn’t make all it’s games either. They have inhouse studios and 2nd party. No company really does. Sony has studios just like Nintendo separate into divisions. So does Nintendo. Both also have 1st party elsewhere and those working for them under second party. That’s how it’s always been done. Yousif Alromaithi But Nintendo make’s it own games from it’s own franchise. Like Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Pilot Wings, Wave Racers, Metroid, Kirby, Star Fox, Ice Climbers, F Zero and so on. Daniel Gonzalez So does Sony. That was the point of the post. They all make their games, and they have their divisons within their respective companies. Each both have 1st party studios outside as well as second party. It’s not about who has more or who does a better job. Yousif Alromaithi Yeah I know Sony make it own games. SCE Japan Studio which made Ico, Shadow of Colossus and Gravity Rush. Also Western SCE made God of War and PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale. Also Gran Turismo and Uncharted are also Supported by SCE not Just Naughty Dog and Polyphony Digital. Yousif Alromaithi I was saying they do make most of their games but not all. Even Microsoft is the same. Daniel Gonzalez True.Though, I think Microsoft depends more on third party since their first party offerings are too little. Halo and Forza aren’t really much. Yousif Alromaithi Microsoft has other IP’s. Project Gotham Racing, Viva Pinata, Kinect Sports ” I like It others hate it”, Fable, Gears of War, Dead Rising, Amped, Blinx, Midtown Madness 3, Crimson Skies, Alan Wake, Crackdown and so on. But I agree they depend on third party more. jay They don’t make Halo they just fund it. Apple made Halo. Daniel Gonzalez Until I see where it says so, I can’t take your word on that. oontz HA HA HA…. APPLE did not make halo. jay microsoft is the same. They buy developers and franchises. They bought Halo from Apple then had Bungie develop it. Daniel Gonzalez I’ve heard this story. However, it never states that they owned it. They were at Macworld Expo 1999, but that doesn’t mean anything to me. Mind showing info that they infact own it? Far as I know, Bungie has owned Halo until they were purchased by Microsoft in 2000. Yousif Alromaithi Halo was not bought from apple jay. Halo was going to be made by PlayStation using Bungie as second party developer but then Microsoft intervened since Bungie had a debt with Microsoft. Nevertheless Microsoft 343 industries did a good job on part 4 and the next one would be epic. oontz HA HA HA… you make yourself look so stupid some times. jay sony does not make its own games. They pay developers to do it for them. Iwata himself is a game developer. Daniel Gonzalez Whether you like it or not, Santa Monica Studios who makes God of War games is part of Sony. So yes, they make games. Just like Retro is part of Nintendo, so that means Nintendo makes those too since they have a hand in development just as Sony. Keep it coming if you like. Yes, I’m aware he’s a game developer from Hal Labs before he became president in 2002. I know the history. In my opinion, he should go back. Now if you can kindly keep your aggressive behavior out posts and respect each others opinions, we won’t need to go into this each and every time. Your choice. oontz Doesn’t change the fact they OWN 13 first party studios only making content for THEIR systems. If Nintendo also owned 13 first party studios, we’d see a lot more content on the wiiu. But they don’t and in turn we don’t. Baum 「ツリー」 You do realize that CAPCOM and Nintendo have HUGE plans together? There’ll even be a Direct this month.. oontz Ohhh there will be a direct??? I’ll have to mark if off on my calendar. Baum 「ツリー」 they didn’t announce a date yet, but Ryozou (Monster Hunter Director), Iwata and the CEO at Capcom talked about a collaboration a few weeks ago. And I think Ryozou himself talked about a Direct before MH4 gets released this month. I guess it COULD be an announcement for the lacolisation of either MH4 (3DS) or MHFG3 (Wii U). maybe something complete new Daniel Gonzalez Well said. jay He listed Disney… Andreas Sunde I won’t call Ghosts support for Wii U. I would, until they removed the preorder bonus, like they did with BLOPS2, indicating that no, we’re not getting any dlc this time either, not even free ones. fliadaloisio This statement will backstab Pete Hines on the long therm, one thing developers and publishers should realise by now is that NEVER UNDERESTIMATE NINTENDO. PERIOD. Truthteller Sounds good, but it does not reflect the reality of the matter. Magnus Eriksson What are you talking about? Nintendo have an forever ongoing list of pure success! The Powerglove! R.O.B! Power Pad! Super Scope 6! Game Boy Printer! N64 Transfer Pak! N64DD! e Reader! Konga Bongos! Virtual Boy! Wii U! jay Ummm you do realise most of those accessories were made for a handful of games. I can play the same game and reverse what you said: D-Pad! NES! 3D Platforming! Wii Remote! DS! Balance Board! etc. etc. EDIT: OK I realize you’re only kidding. fliadaloisio It does !!! A LOT. Smartass2 If that’s the way Bethesda feels let them make there own console. Truthteller That’s the way most of them feel. Smartass2 Then make your own console. If your a professional you would be able to adapt to different machines. Not sit back and say why don’t you make us this because that’s how we know to program. Truthteller They are professional and they do not HAVE to adapt or make games for something they do not want to make games for. There are tow other, more successful choices to develop for. No need to waste their time with a has-been. Smartass2 Tell the truth. Why are you on this site? jay Didn’t you say you were gonna sent your resume to Nintendo and improve the company? Oh yeah don’t forget to mention how you don’t understand computer hardware or how flash drives work! Truthteller Thanks for reminding me. If you have a direct link to an English speaking Nintendo of Japan, I will get it over to them(really). No one at NOA is going to hire me and it won’t matter much since they just take orders from Japan. oontz Care to enlighten me Jay on how a flash drive works? oontz You’ve completely missed the point bethesda was making. Michael DeVore This coming from Bethesda. The company so inept at memory management Skyrim is practically unplayable on the PS3 because it abuses Virtual Memory, and eventually hits the 2 gig limit, and crashes. They can barely program for the PC where memory is cheap. They even put the PC requirements at 4 Gigs of RAM, but because they didn’t know the basic compile flag used to enable that so it originally crashed when it hit 2 Gigs. Ony They’re like if Bethesta was the Voice of all companies and devs. Brb, going to dev a game for Wii U <3 springer85 LOL he is right!!!! Nintendo rushed a half ready console just to try and get a year head start on the next gen which has backfired to be one of the most epic fail mistakes ever!! The launch line up was utter cack,if Nintendo had actually waited till after this years E3 and have it launch around October with Pikmin,Rayman legends,Lego Undercover,Zelda Windwaker HD then it would have sold millions more and 3rd party would have jumped on board!! Nintendo stupidly thought that they could live off crap launch games, and live off 3rd party rushed drivel, which they thought with the 3ds launch and then failed epicly!! What was point in releasing it last November?sales have been a total joke and Nintendo have made them selves the laughing stock of the gaming world!! It is a good job they had the 3ds or they would now be Sega part 2!!! Truthteller Yeah, is the Wii U had been announced at E3, then it would look more unique than the other tow, although they still would not have released specs and that would still hurt them. No one wants to buy something with mysterious ingredients. jay “it would look more unique than the other tow” How does it still not look unique? Andy Wow Nintendo Fan boys are beyond deluded… oontz the worst of the bunch Your money I’m afraid that Bethesda is “somewhat” correct. The consequences are clear, keep chasing the 3rd devs, and risk distracting themselves from making their own games. The way I see why the wii u didn’t sell well from the beginning were the lack of games. Now don’t get me wrong, zombiu, and the other games were fun, but they weren’t Nintendo’s games. I will be expecting this holidays launch to boost up some sales. jay SAme shit happened with the 3DS, they gave 3rd Parties leeway and 3rd party devs didnt take advantage so Nintendo moved in with the big guns. It’s happening again with the Wii U but at a larger scale. Archiq09 Retro studios has buy Turok and it’s for that to old Rare creators go back on nintendo and leaves MS…. jay Old rare developers left ms as soon as they bought them. That was almost a decade ago. 00EpicGamer00 I know someone already told you this, but the “Microsoft Rare” is NOT the same as the “Nintendo Rare” we knew so well, all those years ago. Barely any of the original people still work there. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if NONE of the old Rare employees are still there. You know what Rare makes now? Really, just those Kinect sports games. Oh, and a crappy Banjo & Kazooie game too (B&K: Nuts and Bolts.) Yeah, that’s what happened to the old Rare. But, I’ve actually heard that some of the employees from the old Rare work at Retro studios now. Like, the original composer of the Donkey Kong Country games (David Wise), is doing the music for the latest installment, “Donkey Kong country Tropical Freeze.” And yes, “David Wise” originally worked at Rare, as one of their composers, but then decided to work at Retro. 🙂 So, what Nintendo REALLY needs to do is buy all of Rare’s Ip’s. But sadly, I don’t think that’ll ever happen. There was a rumor going around a while back that Nintendo was trying to buy back Rare, but I think either that rumor was false, or they didn’t succeed. Maybe one day Rare’s Ip’s will come back to us in another light, someday. And hopefully, that light is Nintendo. oontz “what Nintendo REALLY needs to do is buy all of Rare’s Ip’s” Unfortunately that’ll never happen. You can’t buy something that is and probably never will be for sale. 00EpicGamer00 I know, but I’m just hoping it happens ONE day. What if somehow Microsoft goes out of business (gaming wise, not computer wise.) Won’t they be forced to sell the Rare Ip’s? I know most companies won’t sell off THEIR own Ip’s. But technically, Banjo & Kazooie and the rest of the Rare franchises aren’t Microsoft’s, they are rightfully owned by Rare. So, if Microsoft were to go out of business, they’d have no other choice but to sell the Rare Ip’s UNLESS Rare wouldn’t let them, for some reason. Oh, and uhh…I just wanna take this time to say that I, uhh…..appologize for all the arguments between us. If I ever came off as “mad”, or “angry” to you, I was really just mad at the fact that I DON’T have a PS3. And yes, you heard me correctly, I really do want one (…kind of badly too) so whenever you talked on and on about the PS3, I was really just jealous of that. :/ So, once again, sorry. oontz I don’t think MS gaming division will ever go out of business. Thank you for the apology. If you ever get a ps3 let me know. 00EpicGamer00 Do you think this is a good deal? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/PlayStation+3+(250GB)+Uncharted+3%3A+Game+of+the+Year+Bundle/6820583.p?id=1218808389815&skuId=6820583&st=ps3&cp=1&lp=3 JB Uh oh, it’s about to get heated up in here! Haha. Seriously though, I can’t remember any major releases by them on any Nintendo system in recent memory, so you can’t miss what you never had. I generally play Bethesda games on PC, Lord knows their games are glitch fests on consoles (though I did clock in a good number of hours in Skyrim on the 360) Daniel Gonzalez True, but at least the glitches were kinda funny. Like a Dragon flying backwards after the latest patch way back. JB I did get a kick out of the Dragon glitch. 🙂 I’m just glad I didn’t get the PS3 version. I heard it was pretty unplayable at some point. Negatron99 So, we got Nintendo, set it their ways, arrogant? Yes, but given me a lot of fun over the years. Bethesda… what? Very arrogant what they just said, what have they given me? erm? well? No still thinking… Nah I got nothing. springer85 Why are the Nintendo fans crying foul play? When will you learn 3rd party ONLY MAKE GAMES for systems that they believe WILL SELL and have large fan bases!! It would be commercial suicide for any 3rd party to risk making a game after the epic fail joke that was Wonderful 101 with 5k sales first week Japan!! Fact is the Wii U was rushed just like the 3DS was, and they thought both times that they could live off lame launches and 3rd party drivel till the big games arrived….WRONG!!! Nintendo have a GREAT relationship with Capcom,Sega,Namco, those 3 along with first party titles still should be enough. Seriously EA make crap games anyway and why they was voted worst video game company ever 2 years running!! jay You’re wrong. 3rd parties nowadays make games for systems that give them an advance. Basic business principles. By your logic NO ONE would be developing for Nintendo and everyone would be making exclusives for the Wii, PS2 and DS. Hideo Kojima and Shinji Mikami love Nintendo but can’t develop for it for the same reasons. Matt Cameron Please don’t say “gay” to describe something negative. Elitepwnsface Free speech man. I am going to use what ever it takes to get my point across. Stephen Macneil Yes, but keep in mind the only point that really gets across is that you’re an ignorant bigot. Truthteller Man, get that gay propaganda the hell outta here! Stephen Macneil Propaganda? It’s called equality. Clel Yes! Equality! All men who have sex with men should have the same marriage rights as men who have sex with women, and women who have sex with women should have the same marriage rights as women who have sex with men! Yes! Equality! Only one of these groups can properly bear children as nature would have it, but who cares!! And all people who are not for these equal rights are scared of homosexuals!!! Graeme Lynch I find your discriminatory undertone irritating and frankly ignorant as hell. Yet I am not surprised that this is coming from you from prior comments of idiocy. Clel I’ve seen your comments from several months and/or weeks ago. I shall now ignore this comment and proceed with my life. Good day! Graeme Lynch Good job in ignoring me 🙂 david jarman How is it ignorant? Seeing how ignorant means to lack knowledge or education. You may not like it which is fine, but it is true that only one of those group can bare children naturally. I’m not in favor of same sex marriage cause marriage to me is the bond between husband and wife under God. Which is sacred to me. Why should I have to give up my rights to my beliefs? However, I’m all for them having the same rights as a married couple would when it comes to legal rights and matters. Especially hospital visitation rights and insurance. Andreas Sunde Your religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. Please stop thinking that it does. You do have the right to believe any silly story you want, however that does not give you the right to force others to live by the same beliefs. I could also list examples of variations of marriage within your beloved bible, but I don’t want to give you too much to think about at once. Ask me if you want to know more. david jarman Go ahead cause I study the bible. So prepared to be bombarded with text and verses. Andreas Sunde What kind of course? From what POV? As a sceptic, as a theologan, as an apologist? I ask because I want to know who I’m dealing with. I’ll get back to you in a bit, a little busy right now. david jarman A use to be a skeptic. And the use to think he knew what he was talking about till I one day picked up the bible and took a look for myself. It’s no wonder my world religion class never really dove intothe text when it came to Christianity. I know the people in the bible had some messed up issues especially Old Testament when it came to multiple wives and infidelity, but God always showed his grace. I know many churches especially Catholic Churches in the olden time destroyed scripture to hide the truth. I follow scripture from the Alexandria text cause kings James text that was mostly used has text missing from it. I also read the Hebrew bible and l am learning from a messianic Jew. david jarman What’s more sillier? Someone intelligently designing your smart, logical mind or a big explosion occurred and overtime civilization evolved from mold? Andreas Sunde *thinks* “Hmm, where should I begin. Maybe here, hmm, no that might be a better place. Or maybe that place. Nevertheless, looking forward to a good discussion.” *Sees this post* NOPE.jpg The fact that you’re refering to the Big Bang as a “big explosion” shows your complete lack of understanding about the subject. creationtheory.org Educate yourself Aleks Why dont you people EVER consider that THAT is GOD at work? Big bang, evolution, dinosaurs and all! Because it just HAS to fit in your little book? Why because God and his universe just couldnt be that complex? Science and math are Gods language. Do not limit the author of life to a book written BY MEN about him. david jarman Because YOU people say it wasn’t! I’m in to paleontology and know about evolution. SCIENTIST say GOD didn’t do that. That is science way of saying God does not exist. I read the bible and thought the same thing, but it doesn’t matter cause the point in the bible is that God created it all. Once again you’re pointing out what man says and doesn’t say. Look I’m done with this conversation. You sound EXACTLY like me in my twenties and MOST people who use to go to church, but never studied http://www.reasonablefaith.org/god-and-the-flying-spaghetti-monsteror read the bible. Yeah, there are many translations and kings have tried to destroy it even the Catholic Church that wants to add more books. You need to look up the REAl history of how the bible came to be and that point of it all is that good people don’t go to heaven only forgiven people and good is not measure by human standards. This is my faith stop attacking me cause you’re being just like the people you hate. Aleks I speak for myself, i do not represent any group. Its not church VERSUS science. I am not in my twenties. I didnt intend to “attack” your faith, but to challenge it. The ONLY reason i seemed to attack was due to your offhanded comment (not going to find and quote- tired of this, but just for explanatory closure) about how God will judge them etc etc (talking about marriage). Your assured tone was incredibly offensive and then made worse by your comment about YOU not judging them. It sounded greatly arrogant, as though those people should thank you for your not judging them, like they are permitted by you to carry on, like they are retarded step children that dont know any better or something. it sounded like you TOLERATE them and it makes you a good person. Who the hell do you think you are? No one needs your approval or dissaproval, or your pitied tolerance and you or your cults version of God. That is all. May science save you. Aleks Youve wasted your time and succeeded only in limiting the scope of your spirituality by studying a revered book that in fact was written by sandy old middle eastern men 2000 yrs ago. It, much of the time, had its heart in the right place, but has been edited and manipulated and perverted countless times in its history. A man with all his wonder is how God intended it. Man shoved a bible in your face, OBSTRUCTING God. The world without MANS guesstimations of God is a far better, purer place. I mean look around. Its all pollution, hate, judgement, war etc and lets not forget MONEY. If God was small enough to understand, he wouldnt be big enough to be God. david jarman Have you even read the bible? Cause the bible says you can’t measure God. This isn’t about spirituality, but a personal relationship with God and there are many who have search text and scripture to bring it back. The bible isn’t for us to understand everything about God. The bible is instruction booklet of right living, a history but more importantly the road map to salvation. You sound just like just like I use to and just like many people who think they know what the bible is but never really studied it let alone read it. Maybe if you actually read it you’d understand that earth is a fallen place. That salvation is through Jesus. There is so much about the bible you have no clue just big it is. Man didnt shove the bible in my face. God gave it to me when I was broken and loveless. Man(people like you) have always been trying to keep me away from the bible by trying to expand my horizons with the complete wrong view of God. So no sir I will continue to read my bible and in all versions. For the road to salvation is narrow one. Aleks Narrow is your road. I do sense your attempted righteousness- that i applaud. But your road is a narrow one. Im sorry you needed a book to learn to love and feel a need to be saved from something. david jarman Genesis 34:8-10 Hamor tried to speak with Jacob and his sons. “My son Shechem is truly in love with your daughter,” he said. “Please let him marry her. In fact, let’s arrange other marriages, too. You give us your daughters for our sons, and we will give you our daughters for your sons. And you may live among us; the land is open to you! Settle here and trade with us. And feel free to buy property in the area.” Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted by God with Adam and Eve. Genesis 2:24 states: “Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh.” In Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus reaffirms this: “He answered, ‘Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?” Graeme Lynch Can you explain to me how marriage equality means that you must give up your beliefs? Also can I just add that Christianity or any other religion does not have authority over marriage. Yes Clel (too afraid to use their real name) comment was ignorant as it attempted to ostracise a subgroup of individuals in using undertones to suggest that homosexuality is wrong. “as nature would have it” Therefore ignorant as a 80 year old white nazi. david jarman Because its our belief of what marriage is and its my right to believe that, but I never said I was losing my right. And people do expect me to give up my beliefs so that they can get married. I’m just telling you what I believe and what I would support. We have the oldest text of marriage from Jewish text specifically on marriage. You may not be a believer and I’m not a perfect Christian but I do study text and scriptures especially Hebrew. But I do know God loves everyone. Wither you believe in him or not. And the Old Testament as violent and messed up as was, was to set up the fulfillment of the New Testament. However you are right that word shouldn’t have been used that way, but what I believe cell was trying to say was equal can you really be if one can do something that other two can’t. jay who the hell are you talking to? Andreas Sunde Who does it look like he is talking to? Hint: it’s Clel. Graeme Lynch Evidently plebs that love the internet too much. Graeme Lynch It certainly wasn’t you anyway. Why are you speaking to me? Loincollar http://theoatmeal.com/comics/gay_marriage Andreas Sunde Not sure if sarcasm or way too enthusiastic. Andreas Sunde “Only one of these groups can properly bear children as nature would have it” So fucking what? I thought marriage was about love? david jarman Love is involved, but its a feeling and overtime becomes a decision. Clel I love my bed, so I will now proceed to marry it, and we can now adopt kids. YAAAAAAAAAAYYYY! Andreas Sunde You know what annoys me? How we constantly have to say “consenting adults” because gay marriage opposers have very short term memory. But yes, you can in fact marry your bed in some states. You can’t, however, adopt a kid on behalf of someone or something that is unable to give consent. The fact that I have to state this is just ridicoulus. Stephen Macneil I have a feeling you’re trying to be sarcastic but ironically everything you say is accurate. That’s why you got so many likes. You failed at sarcasm, but win in irony! Truthteller Well get your gay EQUALITY propaganda the hell outta here! You people think that beating us over the head with this gay stuff is supposed to force us to love something we don’t do and is filthy. You are wrong. We also don’t want to hear about this stuff while talking videogames. Guest Hey, all he did was call out derogatory language, which has no reason for being here anyway. I think all of us would be better off if *more* people would call out that kind of stuff regardless of who it’s aimed at. Guest Hey, all he did was call out derogatory language, which really doesn’t have any reason for being here anyway since this is a games site. I think all of us would be better off if *more* people would call out that kind of stuff regardless of who it’s aimed at. Truthteller That was not his goal, his goal was to coheres or brainwash people into saying nothing ‘bad’ against gays to get people used to respecting something that is not worthy of respect. That language is only derogatory to those who feel that way. The main point is, we don’t care about that stuff on a videogame site. Stephen Macneil My goal was to point out homophobic remarks have no place here. Hey, why don’t you always start saying negative stuff about women, or other ethnic backgrounds as well? Or is all your fear strictly of gay people taking over the world? Truthteller This is subjective (illuminati) tactic #39 – try to incorporate others into a topic that is negative to try and turn the gainsayer into an enemy. Punk, I come on here to talk about videogames, not what you people suck on and put in your rear ends. PeskyPlumbers64 Jesus, now we’re bringing the freakin’ ILLUMINATI into this?! Andreas Sunde Wait, you believe in Illuminati too? You’re dumber than I thought… Edit: By even commenting about it at all, you’re contributing to this discussion about it. You could have just ignored it and moved on. Magnus Eriksson Andreas, do you know about Hedningesamfunnet? Andreas Sunde Not until now, but thanks! I might visit their some times, but I kinda hate the Norwegian language, so I usually stick to English speaking sites. In the process of leaving our fucking church, though. Wish i’d never been a memeber in the first place. Magnus Eriksson You can speak english there 🙂 Truthteller It is not a question of belief, but a state of fact. The names changes, but the people and their plans do not. I could use the plain name, but then the disinformation artists will come out. Andreas Sunde Prove it. Aleks You say “we” a lot. How many people live in your head? or do you have a mouse in your pocket? There isnt a word for how sorry i feel for you people that just fall in line and apply rules and restrictions and judgement to orgasms and affection between any two adults. Heres a thought for you genius.. Maybe it is Gods plan! May be the Earth is overpopulated and its his design. Did you ever THINK of that possibility? No ofcourse not. You KNOW better. Or some other unevolved monkey told you what God REALLY wants cuz some middleastern men scribbled it into a book 2000 yrs ago. Graeme Lynch I sense some repressed fear of homosexuality in this comment… Truthteller I sense the same BS excuses when people do not agree with guys sucking cocks. It is also the same strategy to turn any topic into a “accept gays or else” topic. Andreas Sunde Why do you care about what two consenting adults do in private? It’s not like they’re forcing you to watch or join in… Truthteller If you can read instead of trying to inject gayness into this site, you would be able to see that I don’t care about the topic at all and I want to talk about videogames, not filthy gay sex. Andreas Sunde I’m not trying to “inject gayness into this site”, I’m trying to figure you out. I do that by asking question relevant to the topic at hand. You could have ignored it, if you don’t want to talk about it. But did you really think people were not going to comment after writing “gay propaganda”? Truthteller You don’t need to figure me out, all you need to know is that I am not one of you! I don’t need diapers! Andreas Sunde What the actual fuck? Are you implying that I can’t contain my shit because I’ve taken dicks up the ass? As I said earlier, I personally find gay sex gross. I am not in any way gay, I’ve never tried gay sex, and I have no intention to do so. But that doesn’t make me anti gay. it’s about empathy, realising that the world doesn’t revolve around you, and accepting that people enjoy different things. The only reason this is even a subject is because of people like you. People who want to deny other people basic human rights, like showing affection in public, or marrying the one you love, just because they’re uncomfortable with the idea of a man putting his cock up another mans ass. Truthteller Of course you are not gay, you only ‘stand up’ for them, doing something that you would not DARE do, but you defend them. Happens all the time! The world does not revolve around you, the gays, the racists, the crack fiends, the serial killers or whoever, so why do you people insist on shoving gayness on people? How come you don’t respect other people’s right to not like it? Not liking it is not the same as wanting to kill them you know, it only means – don’t bother me with that stuff! If I am not concerned with it, why try to make me be concerned with it? Andreas Sunde Why? Because using “gay” as a derogatory word is normal. Because shit like this is the norm, not the exception. http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2013/08/27/catholic-bishop-discrimination-against-gay-couples-is-just/ Because homosexuality still has the death penalty in way too many countries. That’s why. If you truly don’t want to talk about it, you should have ignored it from the start. If you don’t want to talk about it, don’t post a comment saying “Get that gay propaganda outta here!” You can’t honestly believe somehting like that won’t get reactions from people. And if you don’t want to talk about it, certainly don’t speak of the “gay agenda” and illuminati. Truthteller I DID ignore it and attempted to shut it down, but you terrorists/gay activists, love to (follow orders) and take the time to shove it down our throats even if we don’t care. Who cares if being gay is a death penalty in OTHER countries? You did say that people should be free to do things their way right? Gays will never make up the majority of any country, so why should they not try to be normal? In the bible (many believe in it, but gays and their buddies don’t along with the group running this thing..) it says that gays are to be put to death. If other countries are doing it, then it means they are more true to the word than this fine, “Christian” nation is. Andreas Sunde You didn’t ignore it. You posted, and you should know by now that your opinions do not get ignored on this site. There is so much wrong with this comment that I’m not sure I’m not gonna miss some. But here we go; “I DID ignore it and attempted to shut it down, but you terrorists/gay activists,” Really, terrorists? That’s a new low, even for you. “love to (follow orders)” From who? I haven’t recieved any orders, and if I’m supposed to be doing this, I wanna get paid! “and take the time to shove it down our throats even if we don’t care.” You’re on a public comment section. You posted a comment wishing to get rid of “gay propaganda”. People called you out on it, you responded with worse insane shit. You sure do care a lot for someone who doesn’t care. “Who cares if being gay is a death penalty in OTHER countries?” Anyone with empathy for others. One world, one people and all that. “You did say that people should be free to do things their way right?” I said CONSENTING ADULTS should be able to do what they want. I’m pretty sure the guy getting killed is not consenting. “Gays will never make up the majority of any country, so why should they not try to be normal?” There is no such thing as normal. It’s about being true to who you are, as long as it does not harm others (and no, being offended does not count as harm). “In the bible (many believe in it)” And they would be wrong. “but gays and their buddies don’t along with the group running this thing..” 1. There are many christian gays. 2. Who is the group “running this thing”, and what is the “thing” they are running? ” it says that gays are to be put to death.” It says a lot of silly things. Doesn’t mean we should listen to it. “If other countries are doing it, then it means they are more true to the word than this fine, “Christian” nation is.” 1. I’m assuming you’re in the US. The United States of America is not a christian nation. 2. If the bible commands you to kill dudes for taking a dick up their ass, I’d argue that makes the bible a pretty shit moral code. So I was right. Not unexpected. Aleks Epic stupidity is what you possess dude. Wow. Do you actually “think” and “consider” or do you just act and do whatever the majority does? If there were a God, you would be neutered. I’ll take comfort in the fact that you are clearly an ugly human being, and that in itself will bring its own punishment. I feel sorry for you. Whoever your teachers were, should not have had access to children. Sad. Aleks No one is trying to concern you with anything. Someone up top wrote something derogatory and stupid and it rightly offended many people. There are varied sexualities in EVERY tribe of human on this planet. YOU are related to some of the whether you like it or not. I dont have to be gay to be offended. I dont have to be black to be offended by the N word. I f-ing HATE ignorant bullies. I, like many righteous people, will defend the little guy no matter who he is. If the offensive comment was sexist this would have happened. If rascist, the same. In this case it was sexuality based. No one is trying to “concern” you. Aleks You definetly do…. a face diaper. LOL jay Why so mad at gays? Did your father molest you? No, seriously. Andreas Sunde I’m guessing strict indoctrination growing up, and very little social interaction. Not necessarily molestation. david jarman Actually indoctrination has nothing to with him. He is all over youtube and is just a hateful person. He has a tendency to argue everyone. He is knowledgeiswhatsup on youtube. Andreas Sunde Indoctrination might have a lot to do with it. He used to be that here too, but he got banned. david jarman Yeah, that’s true cause even in my own Christian faith there are extremist baptist group who believe in the Elect meaning you were predestined to be saved by God and that only they would be go heaven. They believe that God hates everyone and that is not of the Elect and that the Elect have to hate everyone too. These are where extreme cults come from. Which is odd cause that hate Jews even though Jesus was raised Jewish and the same God they worship even declared Abrams’s offspring as his people. By the way this is why I like studying cause not many Christians know this about their own faith. Anyways, on his youtube channel he seemed to be that type of person. Alright, I’m going to try to go back to video games. I apologize if anything I have said offended you. Andreas Sunde He has a youtube channel? OMG! *runs to youtube* ” I apologize if anything I have said offended you.! I know you have good intentions with this, but don’t. If I’m offended by something you say, that’s my problem, not yours. You do seem like a good person, even though you are scientifically illiterate. Have a good day! david jarman Actually I love science too! I’m literate when it comes to science literature and my dad works for NASA still. He has a masters in aerospace engineering and goes to church. I’m a techie and follow animatronics. I keep up with DARPA. I’m into biology as well and was an amateur fossil hunter in, Utah. I was very big into paleontology and it doesn’t matter to me what people say cause I still believe God made it all. Cause no matter how much science I learn it never disproves God. I have friends at church that are IT’s, software engineers, biochemistry engineer and our pastor is a Pharm.D degree and was the lead pharmacist to Homes Regional. So as much as I’m surrounded by God, I’m also surrounded by Science. So no worries. I get my science too. So good day too you and God bless! Andreas Sunde “Cause no matter how much science I learn it never disproves God.” You love science, I won’t deny that, but you do not apply it to your god. Can you disprove Russel’s Teapot? Can you disprove the Flying Spaggetthi Monster? Can you disporve the Invisible Pink Unicorn? No? Why don’t you believe in them? See where I’m getting at? The burden of proof is on the claim. You claim “there is a god”. Therefore you have to prove it. If you can, you will win a Nobel Prize. If you can’t, why believe it? david jarman http://www.reasonablefaith.org/god-and-the-flying-spaghetti-monster I don’t have to prove there is a God. It’s called faith. If die and I’m wrong I don’t lose anything, and I’ve lived an amazing life with my wife and friends. If I’m right then I gain eternity in heavan and you would spend eternity somewhere else that’s not so pleasant. Andreas Sunde “I don’t have to prove there is a God. It’s called faith.” Which was exactly my point, you’re not scientific when it comes to religion, which I think is a shame. As for Pascal’s Wager: What if we’re both wrong? What if the true god doesn’t look kindly on people who believe in false gods, but treats atheists kindly because at least they don’t believe in the wrong god? There are too many different gods that could hypothethically exist, the argument doesn’t work. Do you have any arguments I haven’t heard a million times before? Aleks Im glad you are a happy good person- even despite philosophical differences. But, your faithes promise of heaven is the prize at the end IF you follow a set guideline of rules. Man made rules for sheeple. Who is greater, those who are excellent human beings toward life love and each other FOR a prize at the end or those that are selfless without thought to a prize upon death. I only wish u well, but u can keep your bibles and all your rules. I have a relationship and understanding of god and the universe that has NOT been filtered through a book written by 2000 yr old middle eastern men which however good intentioned is (as you know) full of rape, murder, revenge, slavery, incest etc etc etc. U can have it. greengecko007 I feel the need to put a disclaimer saying I’m not interested in starting a debate, or a flame war, or whatever. But some fun facts If you ignore the word “day” genesis can be easily interpreted as explaining how the our world was created in 7 distinct periods. First being light. Obviously there was the big bang, and before our planet earth there had to be a star, our sun. Then the second period of creation is the separation of gases and liquids in the formation of the planet, creating an atmosphere and the sea. Then land masses formed as the planet cools and becomes solid. The 3rd is when god creates plants and vegetation, but not yet animals, explicitly telling us that not all life was made at the same time. This makes sense because plants can utilize the heavy amounts of CO2 that is known to have made up early earth’s atmosphere. The next period/day introduces animals, and coincidentely (or maybe not?) the bible mentions animals of the sea first, which is where the first animal life (according to most evolutionists) comes from. Then came the creatures of the land. The next period in the NIV version of the bible reads that the land produces animals of its kind. Which can be taken as animals adapting (evolving) to their environment. And of course it goes on but this is already too long… In the old testament of the Bible, which is also the Koran, Job tells us that God spreads out the northern skies over empty space, and hangs the world on nothing. Interesting, considering the popular belief of the Romans at the time was that Atlas held up the world, while Buddhists believed the world sat on the back of a giant elephant, riding on the back of a giant turtle swimming through cosmic space. In the story of Samson, an angel descends and tells Samson’s pregnant mother to eat healthy and not consume alcohol. This is common sense to us, but people in biblical times had almost no concept of fetal alcohol syndrome, or how nutrition affected prenatal development. So in short, religious or not, the Bible does coincide closely with many modern day discoveries we take for granted. Is it a coincidence? That’s the matter of faith. Aleks (This is why sex, religion and/or politics shouldnt b discussed on a videogame blog. Its guaranteed offense to someone. Despite your above average tolerance. Example.. )You must then know that sexuality is across the board in Gods entire animal kingdom and clearly a source of simple pleasure and not strictly procreational, right? Also that all the big judeo christian religions are the SOURCE of antigay everything right? Also that all the major religious texts were written by and constantly edited and manipulated by middle eastern MEN 100’s of years ago? SCIENCE is Gods only language. No one needs a book to teach them to love and respect each other. More harm has come from mans various bibles than good. david jarman Man made science, man made textbooks. Man made math. Man made toxins. Man made his own lethal diseases. Man plays God. Man made swords. Man made guns. Man made nuclear missiles. Man creates medicines and cures that no one can have unless you can afford it. But thank God there are rich Christians and Christians scientist who donate their time and money to help out the poor and hungery while most of men against the bible wouldn’t even help his neighbor. You praise man for everything but the bible. Good cause its Gods text. The bible didnt cause this distruction to life. Man did. So stop blaming a book you never read. Aleks What about native Americans, aboriginal people and all the tribes that live with God in the forest or on the land with peace and respect…UNTIL wicked missionaries taught them SHAME and OWNERSHIP and supossed SIN. They were with God before the man made one was brought upon them. And i did go to a private christian institution in my youth and those whackos-thank God- turned me from them, to a much deeper understanding of God that they were to dimwitted to dare understand. Just look at the middle east all the major religions were birthed there. Is there peace and love? No. Its a mess of hatred and death. And they are all waving their particular little books of rules around giving them godly permission to be douches. Ofcourse theres some good BUT more people have been hated and killed in the NAME OF GOD than for any other reason in history.FACT. Aleks There was a study that said if youve every saved a princess from any of Bowsers castles you are totally addicted to penis. True story. Graeme Lynch What forums are you on where people are always turning topics into ones of social inequalities? Also you seem rather angry around homosexuality so I would ask that you ask yourself why. david jarman By the way I’m not trying to offend you and if I have I am sorry. I have a lot of friends that are same sex couples and they respect my beliefs as I respect theirs and I never separate myself from them we agree to disagree and I love them and so does God so its not my place to judge them or anyone. Graeme Lynch You haven’t offended me. I just have a difficult time understanding the issue around gay marriage and how it even affects anyone. I believe you do respect others but I don’t believe you do not judge them. The very fact that you think gay marriage is wrong means you judge it david jarman No, God judges it. I just obey. That’s all. Like I said, I love my friends. If I was really judging them I wouldn’t be around them, but I know God also says love your neighbor. So I love my neighbor at least I try to. Look we have couples that do go to my church we may not bend and change the bible and we are going to preach from it, but we are commanded to love them and yes they are very welcomed to be at our church. Cause they need God as much as I need God. Jesus didnt come here to heal healthy(which no one is), but to save the sick.(meaning all of us cause we all sin especially in our minds and hearts) So the key to this we preach with love not anger to all sins and sinners. We don’t tell them they are wrong and we definetly don’t tell them to change. We leave that up to God. Graeme Lynch Sorry but if you want me to believe that God or individual men channelling God wrote the bible then that isn’t going to happen. While I don’t dispute the possibility of a God existing I think it is way to far reaching to say that the bible is the word of God. It is nothing more than the word of men whom at the time lived in an oppressive world. I think it is much to convenient for religious people to say they take they attitudes and opinions from their religion because they don’t have to then take accountability for those morals. Anyway if your leaving it all up to God then surely it doesn’t matter if men can marry men. Or if two women can raise a child. Because after all it’s only Gods place to evaluate that. Andreas Sunde So you’re against equality as well, eh? Well, just another reason to not like you. Or are you afraid of the homosexual steamroller? http://theoatmeal.com/comics/literally Stephen Macneil Pointing out when people are being bigots is not beating people over the head or forcing you to do anything. I’m not sure why you’re so overtly homophobic but why can’t you just let other people, who aren’t hurting anyone else, be themselves? You don’t have to love it, just don’t mistreat people who are. Truthteller Damn you people. If this were a Sesame Street site, you would try your best to insert gay stuff here. Most people in this country and world do not give a damn about gays. That does not equate to hate, it just means you people are not on our minds and we have no interest in the topic. You people want to force it on us when we do not care. Aleks No one needs his permission to do anything. Homophobic = intense OVERLY terrified to be associated with what is perceived as a weakness…. aaaaand we all KNOW why. Lol. Those who protest WAY too much have obvious issues. The more they bash the more distanced they feel they are. Its so obviously the opposite lol. I could not care less about what anybody is attracted to. Not even a little bit. I only hate fat people and filthy smokers, oh AND people who inadvertently influence potential children on a videogame community site into being bigots and bullies. That is the only reason i felt the need to layout an example of a respectful comment….. unless, ofcourse, your a filthy, fat smoker. Magnus Eriksson I always said that people should talk nice to each others and let everyone have their meaning. But this is just pute hate, so Ill make an exception for you. You are a fucking idiot! A shit scared homophobic fucking idiot! Truthteller I guess you must be gay… I wrote NOTHING wrong or even insulting, except that I am not on board for the forced gay agenda, and anyone who is not is declared an enemy. You gays just wait, because you are being used by the empire… Magnus Eriksson No, Im straight and Im an antifascist, anti-homophobic anti-racist. I have many gay friends, bi-sexual friends, straight friends, moslem friends, jewish friends, christian firends, atheist friends and friends from all over the world. From what you write I know that you dont know what Im talking about, because you have no friends. Truthteller You’re damned right I don’t know what you are talking about! I am not gay, so there is no reason for me to hang around people who want to poke me! I don’t smoke crack, so I don’t hang around crack addicts. I am not a new world order stooge, so I don’t fall in line with a love all thing. I am sure that you don’t believe in religion too. Magnus Eriksson Im quite sure no one wants to poke you or be poked by you. Who do you hang around with? Comparing crack addicts with homosexuals? Well, you are kind of alone on being this stupid. So my guess is that you are quite lonely. Only you know if this is right of course. But you dont have that many friends do you? Truthteller You called it right. I am lonely AND I have my asshole intact! Aleks You dont sound like much of a catch… to either sex. Good luck with your life. Aleks I bet theres a long, predictible list of things you do “fall in line” with. Andreas Sunde I guess you must be religious, conservative, right wing, conspiracy nut, homophobic, and with no friends, spending your entire life online arguing with people. At least that’s the impression I have gotten from your posts on this article. “If you’re not with me, you’re agaisnt me.” Jesus allegedly said that, and he was very wrong. The world isn’t black and white, there is such thing as neutral, there is such thing as supporting someone even though you are not a part of their “group”. And what the hell is the “forced gay agenda”? Can I get your words on what exactly it is? I’ve heard that word a lot, but I’ve nevver gotten a definition. Truthteller You contradict yourself left and right. I am NEUTRAL, so don’t bother me with the gay shit. Andreas Sunde “You people think that beating us over the head with this gay stuff is supposed to force us to love something we don’t do and is filthy.” Not at all. I personally think gay sex is gross. But that doesn’t give me the right to stop others from doing whatever the fuck they want in their sex life, as long as it is between consenting adults (quantity unimportant). Truthteller Am “I” stopping them from sucking on joints? In fact, no one in this world is stopping them and before all of this forced gay rights stuff came up, no one ever stopped them from doing what they do. Come on. jay And get your anti-Nintendo propaganda out of here also!! You people think that beating us over the head with this Nintendo is kiddie stuff is supposed to force us to love something we don’t do and is filthy. You are wrong. We also don’t want to hear about this stuff while talking videogames. Truthteller Now we know who is gay… Magnus Eriksson Why are you afraid of homosexuals? Elitepwnsface How is that ignorant. Its a figure of speech nothing more. Your the one judging people here. Graeme Lynch Really so why don’t you use terms such as ni**er? Does that not convey your point appropriately? Also just exactly what does calling something ‘gay’ mean to you? Elitepwnsface “Its (NWORD) for sure.” How does that work. Get so mad kid. Graeme Lynch I don’t even know what this response is. Andreas Sunde http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences2/gay Just a bit of friendly advice. Gay is not a negative word. You have the right to use ut that way, of course, but it’s not an intelligent thing to do, and makes you seem like you belong in the first panel. Aleks The way your trying to “get your point across” makes me imagine you a squat, chubby, closeted, wanna-be pretend bully, fake frat boy, who lost his virginity to his moms keyboard. Just sayin’ You can say and bash anyone you want but use correct words- otherwise, in addition to my list, you sound ignorant. pacheco90 haha can´t believe all the mess that happened because one guy say “its gay” as “its stupid” or something like that xD. Now, I will grab my popcorn, and read everything 🙂 Elitepwnsface Ya it was a shit storm. People are such “P” these days. Starfoxguy Well Bethesda is missing out on a system that’s about to make a comeback. Bob Wilkerson Doubt they would be able to get their expensive subscription game to take off on the Wii U. Alexander Kleinwechter How does bethesda think, nintendo decisions are very good, that why there dominated the last generation of consoles, and this generation they even want the third parites to be more involved then ever, is it a posibility that bethesda gets paid from microsoft or sony to only getting involved with them? John Andalora Yeah, Nintendo dominated the last generation, but something to remember: That’s the first generation that they won since the fourth generation with SNES. Sony won the fifth and sixth. I’m not plugging Sony at all, but I remind you that just because a console did great or poor from the last generation, doesn’t mean the next one will see the same results. oontz they only dominated because people who never bought a game system bought a wii… played wii sports and then it collected dust. That is the only reason they sold more hardware. THE ONLY REASON. springer85 Sony and Microsoft asked fans what they would like in their next console and spoke to Dev’s years before about their ideas and how and what works etc. Nintendo just rush consoles,have ZERO communication with fans and devs, then wonder why the 3rd party launch games are a total disgrace!! It is time Reggie,Iwata were fired and Miyamoto to be the director!! springer85 Sorry but Mario,Mario Kart,Smash Bros and Zelda will not save Nintendo this time. It is to little to late, the price drop should have came after 5 months not 10 months and with another ambassador program!! Was Pathetic how for months Iwata said price was not an issue…..then months later drops the price!!! Guy is a joke and if he stays in power,by the end of next year you will be seeing mario etc on next gen!! Deadpool U You used make me angry but now it’s just hilarious how idiotic you act. You’re nothing but a insignificant troll who obviously has no real life. Why else would you be here? Because you have nothing else to do and it’s largely funny. jay “will not save Nintendo this time.” They saved Nintendo 2 times in a row. Wii/3DS Nathan Ostroski I worry about quality of games this gen. Yes the Xbone and PS4 are more appealing to devs because the hardware is enormous, but with that comes the danger of making sloppy, stupid games. If devs just focus on graphics graphics graphics, bigger bigger bigger, they’re not concentrating on gameplay, which they should. Nintendo is all about gameplay. Devs that understand this methodology do well when they develop for Nintendo (ie Ubisoft, Intelligent Systems, Retro Studios, Capcom, etc.) if devs continue to concentrate on processor size and graphics chip sets, they are playing into their own destruction. In a world where smartphone penetration is causing the decline in the market for home consoles, more and more game devs will follow the pattern of THQ, and other bankrupting companies. Bethesda: please get in the right frame of mind!!! val berger I understand your concerns but I don’t think so. Sure, with better accessibillity, the danger of crappy games may increase but so does the amount of software in general and thus the possibility that there’s some quality game to be found there. most consoles are like 80% shit and 20% interesting and maybe even good titles, just take a look at the Wii. If there are just a few really great titles, so let it be, wouldn’t be the first time in console history 🙂 Truthteller I get so sick and tired of the Nintendo propaganda of trying to make people think that better graphics means weak gameplay!! Only weak games have weak gameplay and only Nintendo’s games/systems have weak graphics and average gameplay. Nintendo is not the ace of gameplay! The only time they far exceed others in gameplay was in the 80’s. Deadpool U .. classicgamer20 Looks like it’s going to be the bit wars all over again audi lover Last bethesda game I completed was oblivion and fallout 3, did about 20hrs in fallout vegas but got bored quickly and as for skyrim had enough by the 15 hour, just to much time to spend to get the most out of these games, as im in my 30s now just dont have the time to sit around all day and play, 20-30 hrs playtime good enough for me means I get a chance to complete most of the games I play Stephen Macneil You can hate on Bethesda all you want but their reaction is the same as just about every other large third party company. Nintendo screwed up a lot with the Wii U, but they are doing a lot of the right steps to go forward. The only thing that will attract a lot of third party companies now is a large install base by selling more Wii U’s. I think after the holiday this year we will have a better picture of how things will go. It’s too bad, I would probably buy Skyrim again if it was released on Wii U if only for playing on the gamepad, or sorting inventory with the gamepad while playing on the tv. springer85 You will not.%90 of 3rd parties have already turned their backs on Nintendo!! The’ we will see after the big Nintendo games arrive’ is utter bullshit!!! 17 of the top 20 selling Wii games were from Nintendo!!!!!! The Wii was a third party nightmare and so is the Wii U!!! Yousif Alromaithi At least it kicked Sony and Microsoft to the ground with Wii Sports. Oh yes it did. Daniel Gonzalez Wii Sports sold, but I think the point of the argument is that Nintendo lacked third party and it showed. The Wii outsold hardware wise, but with 1st party and 3rd party combined from sony and microsoft, they won when it came to software sales, Nintendo failed to do so. I’ll give you 1st party sales, though. Yousif Alromaithi Well It does no matter if it sold more. The Wii Sold over 872 million games according to Wikipedia and PS3 sold about 595 million games meaning you are completely wrong. It showed the world that Nintendo does not need third party to win. Nintendo alone is invincible. The only mistake they did is they never brought Zelda or Wii Sports on Wii U. Now in two weeks we shall see that sales will rise. jay If you wanna kick the competition while their down even further, go to Metacritic count all high rated exclusives and wala!! Wii had the most high rated exclusives last gen. Yousif Alromaithi Off course. oontz please shut up. Daniel Gonzalez Wikipedia isn’t a reliable citation. They don’t update their info often. Give an official site with factual info. Good day. Also, if Nintendo didn’t need third party to win, then the Wii U would be selling. If Nintendo didn’t need third party, then why did they try to cater to third parties with the Wii U? Sounds counter productive to me. Yousif Alromaithi Because Sony insulted Nintendo by saying that Nintendo without it’s first part games then Nintendo would not exist. So Nintendo said the next console would have a better third party support. You know that sometimes Sony has a big mouth so is their fans. Nintendo was wrong to go toe on toe with Sony under Sony’s playground. For Nintendo to prevail much like what 3DS is doing now to the Vita then just keep bringing the first party in order to dominate each generation. Nintendo just need to let go of it’s pride sometimes, if you let emotion take over then you will lose in the end. Daniel Gonzalez That’s what’s hurting them with the Wii U. Pride. I agree, they need to rid of themselves of it. Both sides will talk smack. Each are successful one way or another. Thing is , if Nintendo wants more third party, sometimes, you gotta give developers what they want. Sony and Microsoft know this very well, it’s why they have third party. Sure, sometimes they purchases exclusives, but that’s business for ya. I don’t know what will come of this gen coming up, but Nintendo is on a bad start. Yousif Alromaithi I know. 3DS had a bad start too. I think Nintendo was not willing to make a price cut. Much like what happened to 3DS. 3DS had a crappy first party at launch then Nintendo said we need to bring our AAA games to make a ground punch. So then Nintendo brought those games and sales continue to rise by December. Wii U had a bad first party launch. I mean better than 3DS off course. But now in a couple weeks sales will rise and Nintendo will push their software forward much like the Wii on 2007-2008. It takes time. Sooner or later will find who is wrong after all because I know Nintendo will never back down on a fight. Many people from Miiverse said they are not worried because Nintendo got it under control. Jon um… you see the numbers on the page of Wikipedia in the articles? Click them and they will take you to the sources that the information was found. oontz That was a pack in game…. it CAME with the system. Yousif Alromaithi So Wii Fit did kicked Sony and Microsoft butts. Packed in game oh yeah baby it would be New Super Mario Wii that did again so did it came pack in game. Check top selling games Wii and top selling games on Xbox or PS3. Non could ever withstand the wrath of the Wii. Also if it did came pack in game according to vg chartz the Wii Sports is among the top selling each week. Go check it out now. Nintendo stop selling it pack in game at 2008 when Super Smash Brawl came out. Nintendo made a new bundle with Wii Sports Resort. So Wii Sports sold 31.85 million and Wii Sports sold 81.15 million so did the Wii came bundled with both. Hell no. I bought 3 Wii in my life time. Sure as hell never saw those bundled together. Oh yeah pack in game just believe that. Also the Wii Sold 100 million so your argument is invalid about pack in game. oontz Pack in games, are included with the system. It’s not the same as buying a game separately. Is it that hard to understand? Yousif Alromaithi Lol I understand. But listen can you clarify how Wii Sports Resort sold well. If Nintendo was smart enough at e3 2011 and promoted Wii Sports on Wii U then let us see who is talking. The world will be in a different place. Deadpool U Why am I surprised to hear this from you? EDIT: I did not mean to put 3 of those pictures springer85 LMFAO!!!Yeah and the PS2 OBLTERATED the Gamecube by 125 Million!!! PS2 155 Million Gamecube……30 Million!!! LMFAO!!! Deadpool U And that has to with what right now? Daniel Gonzalez What does the wii have to do with right now? jay sony counts broken consoles as a sale. They always have, always will. When you look at game sales to console ratio you’ll see it doesn’t add up until you include broken consoles. The 360 RROD consoles added millions of sales, but those systems are not even being used. YES PS2 outsold Gamecube and Xbox, but not by as much as you think. Daniel Gonzalez Unless you know how many of those consoles broke, then come back with factual information instead of a hunch. Even so, you bring up one thing then another to disregard Sony’s success. Give them credit where it’s due just as I gave credit for Nintendo with the Wii selling the most hardware last gen. We all know you had a bad experience with rival companies, but it’s silly to even have an hardcore agenda against them. Get over it and let go of your hate. The more you defend Nintendo like a diehard fanboy, the more it shows how insecure you really are. And no,I don’t favor neither console, if that were true, then wouldn’t have enjoyed my Wii last gen. Take it for what it is. 🙂 oontz You’re an idiot John Andalora Yes, yes, what a grand history it had. But now we’re in the future with a console that isn’t doing so well. Daniel Gonzalez People always bring up what is the past now just to justify their claims, which shows how insecure they are. I respect the Nintendo fans who can take criticism, but blind fanboys are easily discredited. FaTih Fuck bethesda John Andalora Fuck you. Truthteller Like I always write, Nintendo wants to tell people what they should have instead of giving the people (consumers AND developers alike) what they want. Now, Nintendo is paying the price for their arrogance. jay That’s why they own the highest selling games in history. Because no one wanted them…. Truthteller Here we go with the PAST again. No one wants their games NOW, which is why the Wii U has flopped. Daniel Gonzalez Should this be a surprise to Nintendo fans? Bob Wilkerson Anyone else find it funny that some developers say Nintendo is difficult to work with while many others say the opposite. Did this studio ever develop for Nintendo on any worthwhile scale? Also isn’t this the same studio that wants to make their game $15 a month to play? Also I seriously doubt that Microsoft and Sony reach out any better to developers than Nintendo does. I guess you can’t please them all and if they think a console that is not even a year old is worth it that is their problem. Good luck with that $15 a month game. Daniel Gonzalez Everyone says the he said, she said. Unless we work for Nintendo or any other third party, is all just rumors and speculation. Some third parties will work for them, and some won’t. It’s a matter of preference. As for their opinion, I have no comment for it since it’s remains to be seen. Bob Wilkerson I suppose… Just seems odd that the ones that seem to dismiss Nintendo are known for not acknowledging Nintendo platforms at all or very much in the first place. Almost like they have their minds made up before Nintendo even releases a product. Daniel Gonzalez Sometimes, that is the case, but then again, they probably know already it’s not what they wanted or were expecting, and they did what was best for them and moved on. I know some people get upset over it, but it’s their business, and it won’t change. I think 3rd party will exist on the Wii U, but it won’t be anything groundbreaking. I could be wrong, but history is against them. oontz What do you mean by $15 dollar a month game? Bob Wilkerson Elder Scrolls online is to cost $14.99 monthly http://www.geek.com/games/the-elder-scrolls-online-will-require-a-14-99-monthly-subscription-1568064/ oontz But aren’t most MMOs a subscription service? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_games At least that seems to be what this info suggests. Bob Wilkerson Still a ridiculous price, but maybe to some people it is worth it. oontz I agree, I wouldn’t pay for ANY MMO, but I am sure there are hundreds of thousands of people who would and will. Dez Who cares about Bethesda? They can come back when they learn to get over their hard on first-person everything and learn to actually debug their games. I hated that stupid Skyrim craze. Story sucks, the fact they can’t get away from first-person, the dull gameplay, and the bugs! I have no idea what Bethesda can’t debug a game for their lives. EA and Bethesda have never had the best games around, they are just a minor nuisance. A few examples of Bethesda made/published titles are Elder Scrolls, Dishonored, etc. Bob Wilkerson At this point any developers is good but I feel less inclined to support a game developer that thinks it is OK to release a game that costs $15 a month (almost $200 a year) to play. I believe that is what they want to do with one of their next games. It seems that most of the developers that dismiss Nintendo or say Nintendo does not reach out to them are of the new mindset of charging a lot of money, DRM, or restricting gaming. Andreas Sunde I mostly agree, but “can’t get away from first person”? What? First person is awsome, imo more immersive, but if you don’t like it, you can just switch to third person. I don’t see the problem. oontz exactly Dez obviously has no clue about their games, has never played their games and is just talking out his A$$ John Andalora You make a gigantic game, a bug or two is going to exist. I loved Dishonored, and Fallout 3 was phenomenal. If you don’t like them, that’s fine, but a big player like that could’ve really helped Wii U.  Outsold everything; Didn’t survive ..Seems legit….. Bob Wilkerson But don’t you know.. no one plays it and all it does is collect dust. You know kind of like my XB360 at the moment Nintenjoe82 collecting dust like all of Mr Yamauchi’s money does in the huge Nintendo vault!  Well who wants to play last gen consoles anyway? Truthteller Yeah, so who needs a Wii U?  Everyone who wants current gen. Hurr dur. (Edit: We are in the eighth gen right now, if those three people haven’t realized yet.) david jarman Who needs a new anything. jay I Do!! Andreas Sunde People who want to play Bayonetta 2, for example. And Sonic: Lost World. And Mario 3D World. And DKCTF. And Pikmin 3. Among others. Truthteller Clearly not many of those people exist. Jon Well, if you really think about it, no one really needs a Wii U, the same as no one really needs a Xbox one or a PS4. We get the systems for the games we want to play. But…. you’ll never understand that. Yerba_Sutra I almost gave a serious response to your comment… then I realized it’s YOU again. Haven’t jumped off that high horse yet? Bob Wilkerson Well the XB360 is not dead and I do not stop playing a console just because it is last gen. I just figured I would not invest in any more games for that console because I am not moving forward with the PS4 or XB1. I have transitioned to the PC for the games I cannot get on my Wii U because I rather invest money into that knowing my games will not be abandoned if I choose to upgrade. Gregg Cerenzio I play consoles from 10 years before last Gen  So do I. Which is why I really wonder why people enjoy dissing them. Justin Gray I hear that collect dust a lot. Ever consider the failure rate of the 360 system. I know many people who have bought several because they kept breaking down with serious problems. Talk about collecting dust. My Wii still gets played. Pandora’s Tower just came out a couple months ago. Bob Wilkerson To be honest I just haven’t played it in a while. I have no new games for it and I have played out the games I do have for it and ended up picking up a couple titles I had for my 360 for the Wii U cheap with used game sales so I just have no reason to play it at this time. I have a 3rd gen 360 so it still works. disqus_jnx8BgXLZd You mean all those people who are buying Disney Infinity for the Wii are not gonna play it? Bob Wilkerson I guess not and all those people that are still buying the Wii console are just getting it for a doorstop apparently. Steven_Segal You can buy a bunch of games for both… I can give you a list of good-great games? Jon My Wii is collecting dust now. I start to collect dust when I got my Wii U Bob Wilkerson Isn’t great when a game company releases a new console that can play the new games as well as the games from their previous console natively? I was able to donate my Wii to my sister-in-law which does not have a lot of money but loves to play some of the simpler games on the Wii.  What does that prove? Wii U has already come out and PS4 and Xbox One haven’t. Maybe just maybe… Nintendo decided NOT to focus their resources on Wii so they could focus on Wii U? Truthteller Does it look like they focused their attention on the Wii U so far? jay YES. Jon Turner Don’t think Bethesda is speaking for EVERY third party developer. Some are already quite content on WiiU, while others have yet to reveal their projects. So this guy clearly is just talking out of his ***. ItzameyaToad It ended because it came to the end of it’s lifecycle. Nintendo doesn’t follow the drum of Sony and Microsoft, after X years they move on regardless of the console.  You pretty much made the missing half of my comment there. Truthteller No, lifecycles are determined by sales, not plans. ItzameyaToad You are a Moron sir and fail at trolling haha please go read a book or something maybe you will learn how Nintendo does business before making yourself look stupid 🙂 Truthteller I do fail at trolling. I know how Nintendo does business – they lie and deceive. jay Lie and deceive? lol Oh Lord I could list 100 lies from botch sony and ms, yet have a hard time listing a single lie from Nintendo. ScrewAttack Were you, like, dropped on your head at birth or something? How old are you? Shouldn’t you be (a) in bed by now or (b) washing the grease from your basement-dwelling scalp? Very very sad, constantly attempting to troll a Nintendo forum day after day, month after month. You must be a masochist. THCaleb Best paragraph I’ve ever read. Cheers to you, sir. Jon actually, you do a perfect job of trolling, you are doing it now. Untrentide So the PS2 failed roughly by what you’re saying. david jarman Better tell that to ms and Sony then cause they’re trying to launch new systems while the current gen systems are still selling. Truthteller Well, I always said that next year (late Spring) was a better time than now. jay You also said Wii U would be discontinued in March. Let’s not forget. tronic307 We shouldn’t need Xbox One or PS4 then. Their predecessors are still selling. jay Nintendo pulled the life support plug on the Wii, I should know I own one. And if it’s determined by sales it outsold the competition and continues to sell. So your point is invalid. Truthteller No, the Wii was not selling enough because the fad/hype was long gone. The Wii U is even worse off because I am sure they did not get developments coasts back. Smartass2 I’m not gonna miss the one game they put out every three years that was like the one they put out last. If you’re gonna be in the tech business you got to learn how to adapt, Bethesda. Gregg Cerenzio Lol. And I care about Bethesda, why? John Andalora If you’ve ever played one of their games, you’d care. You’d care a lot. jay You’d care about buying DLC that should have been there in the first place and patches galore!! But seriously their games would work wonderfully on Wii U as long as Nintendo does a little quality control. John Andalora I’ve played their games, first off, and bugs and all they’re pretty great experiences. I’d pick up an awesome buggy game any day rather than WWHD or Super 3D Mario World. Elem187 All of their console ports are buggy unplayable hot messes. They only care about PC gamers, and they give console owners the shaft by providing subpar ports with terrible frame rate issues and glitches not even Ubisoft would ship. oontz “unplayable hot messes.” All of their games I’ve played were playable… hence how I was able to play them and enjoy them. Fallout 3 was one of the best gaming experiences I’ve ever had. It seems you have never played their games. John Andalora Really? Cause Fallout 3 and Skyrim worked fine for me on my Xbox 360. “unplayable” is certainly not the experience I had. Gregg Cerenzio Right. It didn’t just SURVIVE, it dominated Gregg Cerenzio When exactly, did the Wii end?  Yeah, did it like, blow up or something? Do you think he maybe dropped his Wii off a building and then went around screaming hysterically: “THE WII HAS ENDED! THE WII HAS ENDED!” …? Truthteller Shortly before the Wii U was announced. tronic307 That’s when Nintendo shifted development focus to the 3DS. And for the record the Wii still gets more play than my 360. jay lol you just disproved yourself(read above) how pathetic. ItzameyaToad Why the hell do we give two shits what this overrated developer/publisher says/does?! They have only made one game for a Nintendo console back in the early 90’s, Wheres Waldo, so why do we care? We shouldn’t. They are just another company that never has and most likely never will support a Nintendo console regardless of what Nintendo does with there console. Kaihaku Point. Ross Brocklesby Fuck Bethesda, Nintendo is massive in Japan (and generally across the world. Bethesda make RPGs, Japan love RPGs. There is a huge market there for Bethesda and they just shot it down. There loss. What is wrong with Nintendo? I don’t know why companies won’t support them. Ill give it till after Christmas and if its still doom and gloom I’m moving, it’s not because I won’t too but I like my consoles to have games for them. Nintendo need a big player on there side. Why won’t they spend the money and give the others a real run for there money! John Andalora You do know that Sony is also pretty big in Japan too, right? And without big supporters Sony will wipe Nintendo pretty quickly. Ross Brocklesby Don’t get me wrong I love nintendo and will support it. There are some great exclusives coming but exclusives won’t save it and I don’t wanna put money into a company that refuses to spend the money getting its console going. Elem187 How f#cking stupid does one have to be to think Nintendo should pay for multiplatform releases? Its the most idiotic and retarded suggestion I have ever seen. It would be business SUICIDE to pay for content the other two doesn’t have to pay for. NIntendo should keep doing what its doing, releasing their own games and money hatting exlusive 3rd party content. I really do not understand this desire by ‘core’ gamers to have 3 IDENTICAL systems… isn’t having 2 identical systems with 95% identical content enough!?!?!? I mean seriously. Its fucking stupid to even suggest it. You really showcase how little you understand of business and economics when you say such mind numbingly stupid shit. Ross Brocklesby Hang on a min, at what point did I say they should pay for 3rd party support? How about ninty getting its own titles out sooner! Or is that fucking free now you complete prick Ross Brocklesby A console cannot survive on no 3rd party devs these days. It is a fact that you must admit. But I never said pay for it! Ross Brocklesby There are games out there like MH4, the fully fledged pokemon games etc. Massive titles that SHOULD be made for wiiu. Game freak has always stood by Nintendo, a fully fledged pokemon game on wii u is a system seller so why hasn’t it even been thought off. Capcom in general are good to Nintendo mh4 should be on wiiu so why isn’t ninty making it happen and letting companies mug em off. Your right I don’t want 3 identicle systems but 3rd party support doesn’t mean I want call of duty lets say, if I did I’d play on my ps3. It means ninty should help 3rd part devs bring there games too wiiu. I’m not talking massive companies like EA (aka bullshitters). oontz Where at any point in the Video (linked in the article) or in these comments does ANYONE state 3rd parties aren’t working on wiiu because Nintendo wont pay them too? It seems you’re the one who is stupid, since you don’t even take the time to research something before talking out you A$$ Graeme Lynch I find it amusing that many people on this site instantly throw out the “I don’t care!” remark when bad news regarding the WiiU is highlighted. Clearly you do care otherwise there would be no need to comment. Daniel Gonzalez That’s true. Petri I’d appreciate, but wouldn’t miss their support. Bethesda is losing a lot of respect by constantly bitching about this. Graeme Lynch I won’t miss their support either as I can simply play their games on PC. It is unfortunate though that they have such a view of Nintendo. It should make Nintendo consumers question the company they love so much. ItzameyaToad We should question a company we love so much because a company that never has and most likely never will support Nintendo consoles gives BS reasons they don’t support Nintendo consoles? It would be much different if they actually had supported or made the attempt to support Nintendo consoles in the past but they never have(excpet Wheres Waldo). Why people are getting upset over a company that has never supported a Nintendo console boggles my mind. Petri I’m just getting tired of them constantly poking their head out of the bushes to remind us that they do not intend to develop for Nintendo platforms. It has got to the point, where one would think they do this just for attention, to be the “cool kids”. Elem187 Because Nitnendo is refusing to money hat their multiplatform releases, so they whine like children and poke a stick on NIntendo in response. I agree with Iwata, money hatting should only apply to exclusive content. Making a 3rd machine with the same content of the other two (Sony/MS) would be a massive mistake. Nintendo cannot compete in a three way race for the dudebro gamer. Nintendo is better off letting Sony and Microsoft race to the bottom of releasing brown and grey space marine shooter after shooter. Let Nintendo be the only one putting out different content, it suits them far better. Petri It is quite sad, that MS and Sony is floating on console business mostly with 3rd party only, their first party would not be enough to hold them in the business. But I rather had Nintendo without 3rd party multiplatforms, than having Nintendo to pay to get those. I only have time for one console, Wii U with off-tv play greatly increases that time, so I will support any multiplatforms that land on Wii U, as long as they’re not majorly gimped. Graeme Lynch Well it is merely my opinion but as a video games company I feel Nintendo should be trying to do everything to obtain business from the best game developers. Bethesda is one of those developers. So for Bethesda to make comments about Nintendo’s lack of effort in ‘wooing’ developers only informs me of Nintendo’s narrow minded approach to their consoles. Not only that but Nintendo is missing out on some pretty epic games. But hey as I said it is only my opinion and I love Bethesda games which is why I will always have another way of playing the games Nintendo never gets. ItzameyaToad I don’t think Nintendo could do anything to get Bethesda to make a game on a Nintendo console. The Wii U meets every criteria to have the new Elder Scrolls Online game, a game that isn’t really that demanding at least from the looks of it and they don’t give a legitamate reason to support not bringing it to Wii U. It really shouldn’t matter what a company does or doesn’t do, if they feel they can make a game for a console they should do it not have a company brown-nose them to put there games on there console. Nintendo has a capable system and basically Sony and Microsoft brown-nose certain 3rd parties to support there systems over Nintendos and 3rd parties oblige seeing as they don’t have as much competition with first party games on Xbox and Playstation. I never said your opinion is wrong just we shouldn’t care what a company that puts out good(not great) games that has never supported Nintendo or made attempts to says when it comes to Nintendo consoels as there are plenty of other much more successful and highly regarded studios/publishers saying Wii U is a capable system and Nintendo works hard to get 3rd party support. Graeme Lynch I guess that is where our opinion differs. I firmly believe that as a video game company they should be trying to get as many developers onboard as possible. But I guess Nintendo has enough power to make it on their own! Petri They have no must haves for me. I used to be a huge Fallout fan, but that series kind of suffered duke nukem forevers. Fallout 3 was a nice game, but not really the Fallout I used to love. If they would stop making for PC, I would not care. But meanwhile, I will get their games at 50% off sales on Steam. oontz “but that series kind of suffered duke nukem forevers” You’re seriously comparing Fallout 3 with DukeNukem Forever? Seriously? Petri In a sense, that it took a long time, and at last, wasn’t quite what was expected. Fallout 3 was still a decent game, bad programming prevented it from being great though. oontz Bethesda spent only 4 Years making Fallout 3. So in your eyes 4 years of game development is now considered a long time? Doesn’t Zelda take the same amount of time? On top of that you think of Fallout 3 as… “a decent game, bad programming prevented it from being great though.” Not only does it sit with a current score of 90 on Metacritic but After its release, Fallout 3 won numerous awards from gaming journalists and websites. At the 2009 Game Developer’s Choice Awards, it won overall “Game of the Year” along with “Best Writing.”It was also awarded “Game of the Year” by IGN, GamesRadar, GameSpy, UGO Networks, Gamasutra and the Golden Joystick Awards. The game also won “Xbox 360 Game of the Year” from Official Xbox Magazine, GameSpy and IGN, while winning “PC Game of the Year” from GamePro, GameSpy, GameTrailers and GameSpot, with the latter two also awarding it “Best RPG.” Yeah seems the gaming world didn’t quite agree with you on that one. Maybe you never even played it and are just talking out you A$$? Petri Are you even familiar with original Fallout series? Fallout 2 was released in 1998, Fallout 3 was in the making, and was going to be like its predecessors. Then Bethesda bought the IP. I have owned and played Fallout 3 on every platform, and on all those it was buggy, constantly crashing and freezing game. In other words, bad programming. And I don’t give a shit about reviews, I base my opinions on my experiences. oontz Very familiar… I am aware of when Fallout 1 and 2 were released. I am also aware that Black Isle Studios had THEIR version of Fallout 3 in production. However Interplay went bankrupt and Bethesda did buy the fallout IP. Then they started their own version of Fallout 3 from scratch, in late 2004. “And I don’t give a shit about reviews, I base my opinions on my experiences.” Fair enough but you are of the minority on that one. Seeing as the general public and the media that represents that public not only praised the game (regardless of bugs) but awarded it game of the year status. So all in all it’s not really a fair comparison to make… comparing Fallout 3 to Duke Nukem Forever. Not in a long shot. Petri Yes, duke nukem forever, was just awful game. But I stand behind my words, that it took long time to come to realization, and wasn’t what I (I might have not expressed this earlier but yes “in my opinion”) was expecting. I could have used “nice”, instead of “decent” too, I have so many hours on that game across 3 platforms, that I’m not even sure how many all together. I don’t know how excessively reviewers play the games, but in my experience, Fallout 3 started to have more performance problems further along the game, my guess is lousy memory management. I just cant call a game great, or anything past good, when it has the problems, that Fallout 3 has. Elem187 They have never from my recollection published any titles on any of Nintendo’s devices, so why would they start now? Kev That’s a false consensus. If someone posts “I don’t care about this game” in the Funky Barn community that doesn’t mean they’re lying. JBeauregard Sounds like Bethesda has a superiority complex. Bethesdas thinking is, “you need us more than we need you.” Truthfully, I don’t actually need Bethesda at all. 99% of Wii U owners will never miss them. RoyRelapse Yeah screw Bethesda if they don’t see it as a privilege for them to make games on the Wii U. It’s not the other way around. oontz “It’s not the other way around.” It is totally the other way around. Are you blind? It’s not the NES days anymore. Guest You must be one of the childs screaming for region lock to be dropped aren’t you ? go make some more petitions on how games should change in the way you like instead of liking what is made. oontz I make petitions with my money. Bethesda shouldn’t feel privileged to release games on any console. Consoles makers SHOULD be privileged on having bethesda games on their consoles. Oh and region locking is making Nintendo lose a lot of money… at least where I live anyways. So yeah I wish Nintendo didn’t have region locking or at least provided English as an available language for ALL their regions. John Andalora Are you joking? They’re one of the reasons I’m buying a different console. Consoles need a big chunk of big name game developers making great games, otherwise the console is worth as much as a paperweight. People keep saying “It’s okay we got lots of developers!” But do you really want more stuff like Pac-Man and Sonic instead of things like Skyrim or The Evil Within or Fallout? JBeauregard Bethesda not being available on the Wii U is essentially the same as PS3 or 360 exclusives. It’s not all that different, really. If you choose to buy another console, that’s because you bought the wrong one for you. While I agree that the U needs as much 3rd party support as we could, you can’t blame this decision as one of your factors for wanting another console. Bethesda has never made games for a Nintendo product. It means you didn’t research! John Andalora Bethesda has never made games on a Nintendo console. But with what’s coming out in the future, they could sure use it. These are my personal opinions, as you have yours. However, We can both agree that the Wii U could use more 3rd party support, and a big player like Bethesda can definitely garner sales for any console, depending on what people like about the consoles design or other games. And don’t think that you aren’t talking about your own personal opinions, Mr. “I don’t actually need Bethesda at all.” then projecting your thoughts on what you think 99% of Wii U owners would think. JBeauregard You’re right! I do say, “Bring on the 3rd party devs!!!” However, all of the people I know that bought a Wii U didn’t do so based on potential Bethesda or EA titles. They did so because of the advanced Nintendo experience and quality console exclusives that we’ve grown accustomed to. I will agree to disagree. I see your side for sure. I’d love more. WOuld I love Skyrim on my Wii U? Damn right I would!! However, I can’t stop supporting my console of choice because one developer wants to be an ass. Daniel Gonzalez They weren’t really being an ass, they just don’t give in to Nintendo’s hardware. That’s about it. They don’t see a reason to develop on it. I guess if you want to call it an asshole move, but then again, Nintendo has done that too. JBeauregard Nintendo has done it before. But look at who Nintendo is? Look at their history and track record. Then, look at Bethesda. Bethesda should be honored Nintendo would be interested, just like a lot of 3rd party devs are. I don’t mean kissing butt honored, but honored to be part of Nintendo history. The Wii U isn’t going anywhere no matter what some think. It’s going to move units at an incredible pace soon. Then you’ll see some devs wanting a piece of the pie when that happens (ie EA, etc.) Daniel Gonzalez Track record doesn’t play into the present. I get what you’re trying to say, but Bethesda has their own ideals as does Nintendo. If people feel that their opinion is crap, then don’t bother to respond. Doing so, just means that people do care what they think. oontz Still sucks that I couldn’t ONLY purchase a wiiu. I have to buy 2 systems to enjoy all the game series I love. oontz Exactly I guess I am part of the 1% since I enjoy more than JUST Nintendo IPs. companyoflosers well while i think the “if you build it, they will come” policy sounds extremely lazy, if first party titles have as big of a bang as nintendo thinks they will then the policy will work. the truth is developers will go where the money is. It will be REALLY difficult for nintendo to hit it out of the park but if they can pull it off, they will hold all the cards. Doing what microsoft and sony are doing and courting developers early on is the easier and more advisable approach but we see developers split up that way. instead of having all games and developers in one easy place, we have them split up across three platforms. that breeds competition which is good for consumers but it also costs us more money. nintendo has pulled off crazier moves though so i guess we will see what happens. Elem187 Because Sony and Microsoft throw money at developers to bring their 3rd party games over… Nintendo refuses to play the money hat game unless its going to be an exclusive…. and I agree with that policy. No point in paying for multiplatform titles. It offers no advantages in the market place to pay for multiplatform games. david jarman It should be, “If you build it good and build it right with high quality and make it damn interesting that you can’t pas it up, they will come.” I guess nintendo will have to once again be the ones making the great games for their platform again. Which I am all up for that since other developers never want to optimize a game for a single console and just rush their games out to market unfinished just to use patches to fix it.Seems to be the trend with most developers these days. Thank you Internet for being so convenient for lazy developers. I liked my dragons flying backwards anyways. I like how big developers have such an issue with nintendo. Yet smaller studios and independent studios praise nintendo for their support and help. I guess nintendo wasn’t willing to bribe Bethesda to have their games on their console and say good things. Sounds like somebody was heart broken. True story! EA is going to spend more time with MS cause they share the “same” business model. PS4 will still get games, but will not be their focus. oontz http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/29/ea-we-arent-favouring-microsoft-over-sony david jarman You know people are still buying it right!?! Truthteller I am sure people are still buying the PS 2 also. No one is buying the Wii U though! david jarman People aren’t buying the ps2 brand new at places like GameStop. However, people are still buying the wii. New at retail locations just like ps3 and xbox360. And people are buying the wii u. This holiday will actually be good for all consoles. They may not be number one but it is going to sell and I think it will sell pretty well. Ventusblade If anyone sees this post, please understand this. Do not reply to any of his comments. It’s pretty obvious this guy is a troll, don’t pay him any attention or he’ll continue to post stupid stuff like this. JustAGuest It won’t matter. He will just reply to other comments. I laughed at that last one thoyg, it was the worst attempt I’ve seen at provoking people, it just sounded like something a child would say. jay He means brand new moron. Jon People are buying used PS2’s tomtank91 It is stupid that it’s not build it and they will come mindset for developers because it’s a new gaming console. tomtank91 Bethesda is one reason I buy other consoles because I love Fallout. oontz One of the best series ever!! Can’t wait for Fallout 4! Magnus Eriksson ended in 2010 practically tronic307 The PS3 came out DAYS before the Wii, and the Xbox 360’s first year sales were similar to the Wii U because they had no games. YogiGRB Not here in holland, i had my Wii month’s before the PS3 was released. It was delayed here, just like the XB-one at the moment (and maybe the PS4 also but not sure about that) for the rest i agree with you Antar Rodríguez well certainly they speak the truth, and from an experience point of view, but then again nintendo still has time to get 3rd parties to develop for wii u, and even if 3rd parties dont come, lets remember that 3rd parties are just a plus in nintendo consoles, the main thing here are the nintendo 1st and 2nd party games obviously having that plus would be great and ideal springer85 LOL at the Nintendo Slurps STILL in denial about the epic fail of the Gimmick U!! It is ALL NINTENDO’S FAULT!!This is what happens when you release ANOTHER rushed console just to try and get ahead start on rival consoles(The 3DS was the first!) th at has rubbish cack launch games, that were cack due to them also being rushed and 3rd party drivel!! Zero marketing,a ridiculous price tag and all the big launch games delayed as Nintendo did not realise how long it would take to make a HD game!!! LMFAO!!! Hipster Victor Ignore the asshole everyone ignore Untrentide I generally prefer Bethesda games on PC so I don’t find this to be a big loss. Unfortunately though it makes a lot of sense for developers to go this way since the Wii U has 3.6million units sold while the current gen has 79.7million (PS3) and 78.3million(360) units. Hopefully with the release of the new gen systems we’ll see a rise in Wii U since it’ll be leading the charge 😛 springer85 Hey Deadpool U so what if the Wii outsold the PS3 and Xbox 360 by 25 Million each as that was a total FLUKE and has been proven by the epic fail Gimmick U!! If we are doing numbers…… PS2 155 Million Gamecube 30 Million!!!! PS1 80 Million N64 36 Million!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jay W-T-F? Agent721 This guy takes loserdom & being obssesive to a new level. NkoSekirei yeah springer85 is plain retarded and needs to be banned from this site Jared Garcia Bethesda makes good games I can totally agree to there, but the bugs, glitches, and downright unplayable freezes on certain scripts in a lot of their games won’t be missed. Ass kissing won’t win me favors, but developers like them it seems it does. They just don’t like Nintendo, even though most of the games in development are for current gen stuff as well. So, whatever development is in place I’m happy to skip. Except for The Evil Within, because don’t punish Shinji Mikami for their errors. Koudai2008 Doesn’t Bethesda also publish id Software’s games? Elem187 They do now, but not before they purchased ID software. Agent721 Have they ever made a game for a Nintendo platform before? Elem187 As a 34 year old Nintendo fan that has all of their consoles, I cannot recall a single title from them on Nintendo. Agent721 Thats what I thought…Im 37 & thats what I remember as well. FungalSpawn Almost 1 year down…still waiting for a quality game. Jared Garcia You don’t consider Splinter Cell: Blacklist a quality game? FungalSpawn Dunno. Elem187 Pikmin 3 is better than any dudebro game on the market today…. unless you like boring brown/grey space marine shooter games over and over and over and over again. Are you not getting bored of shooting things yet? The gameplay of shooters have been done to the death the last 7 years… I guess it would still be fun for 12 year olds. FungalSpawn Yeah, I think you should just worry about passing 4th grade. oontz “Pikmin 3 is better than any dudebro game on the market today” First – using terms like dudebro make you sound really stupid. Second – There have been many amazing games released that walk all over Pimin 3. Don’t just be a blind fanboy. “I guess it would still be fun for 12 year olds.” This one made me laugh, since 12 year olds are Nintendo’s main demographic for their systems and games. Which is a fact. Yoshifan3 people saying this company wont be missed on the wii u is a complete fanboy or girl in denial. it just reeks. its almost sad that almost everyone on this site is a complete fanboy/ girl, when people like Daniel Gonzalez and John Andalora cant have an honest opinion without being called a troll. i read alot of the comments, yes most are trolls and others have valid points, but people who have those valid points are called trolls because they dont agree with everything nintendo does/says. Elem187 Can you name the last Bethesda title to grace a Nintendo console? Oh you couldn’t? Ok than, you proved the point of the people saying Bethesda wont be missed. Truth is if Nintendo made a third clone of the xBone/PS4, Bethesda would still refuse to bring any of their games to Nintendo’s console. QuaFicK Wheelspin from 2009? Yoshifan3 Like FungalSpawn said, you should worry about passing 4th grade. Also thanks for putting words in my mouth, and you didn’t get my point, it just flew right over your head. oontz “Truth is if Nintendo made a third clone of the xBone/PS4, Bethesda would still refuse to bring any of their games to Nintendo’s console.” Glad to know you’re able to see the outcome of things that have never even happened or will happen in real life. Are you from the future? Or perhaps some alternate version of earth? Are you also a loser in that version? NkoSekirei dude they never made a game for the wii u and never will cause it shows how stubborn and ignorant of some of the 3rd party devs been treating the wii u and by the way their quite lazy if they never touch the system and come out with a stupid conclusion wat they they said on the article oontz and by the way…. your post shows HOW STUPID you are…. the quote is from a VIDEO PANEL INTERVIEW! Did you even click the link to watch the video and hear the quote in context? Glad to know that just because a developer doesn’t feel the wiiu is the right platform for their games it means their “quite lazy” oontz This is the truth of this site. All fanboys suck… but Nintendo fanboys are THE WORST! Zorpix Sony and Microsoft need those policies because third party is almost ALL microsoft has and a good chunk of what Sony has jay EXACTLY!! Thank YOU!! Leo I couldn’t care less if Bethesda made a game for the Wii U. I tried both Fallout and Skyrim on XBox 360 and never finished those games. I guess Bethesda games are not really my type. oontz Fallout is one of the best game series ever made. Robbyfishersora There games are best on PC anyway. ScrewAttack Well, doesn’t Hines sound like a snotty asshole? S’cool, didn’t really want your broken, glitchy RPGs damaging my Wii U anyhow. NkoSekirei lets just say X is gonna shut them up for awhile wen monolith knows how to make quality rpg games like for instance(cough)xenoblade(cough) ScrewAttack And I’m thoroughly looking forward to it! I do enjoy Fallout, but from the many many hours I’ve clocked in on 3 and NV over the years; the sheer number of glitches, screen tears, system crashes and all other manners of mayhem in their games is unbelieveable. Even if they wanted to release their stuff on Wii U, Nintendo wouldn’t let them. Their glitchy-as-hell stuff wouldn’t get the Nintendo seal of quality. oontz Just FYI New Vegas was developed by Obsidian Entertainment, not Bethesda. Leo It’s pathetic that Bethesda and most developers believes that PS4 and Xbox One won’t struggle to sell. I wonder what they will do when those consoles doesn’t deliver as they so arrogantly expects. NkoSekirei look wat happen to elder scrolls on the ps3 it got so many bugs and $hit i felt bad for sony gamers for getting screwed by bethesda who knows nothing about the wii u cause they never made a game for the wii u to pass a ridiculous judgement on the wii u seriously i was never interested in buying their crap anyways along with EA on the top of my list Christopher Acuna This quote by Bethesda is full of Hypocrisy. If it were true that they were going to “…going to focus on other ones that better support what it is we’re trying to do.” Then the PS3 version of every Bethesda published game this past generation would have been the buggy shit mess that they were. Yoboyjohn If ray man legends showed us anything,it’s that if u give wii u an EQUAL experience like other consoles ,people will buy it whether it’s third or first party.this guy is just a jerk who has not right to say such a thing when they haven’t even made a single game for a Nintendo console so they don’t even know what their talking about marshal sounds like they only want to do business as usual HD graphic and no substance, oontz Ha ha ha…. “no substance” Have you ever even played Elder Scrolls or Fallout 3? marshal yep! I have sorry but they felt stiff in many ways. Bethesda like other companies rarely step out of there formulated games and when they do they are sweet and short and filled with dlc that must be purchase. haccck hackk ackkkk “WET” ackk Dishonored (the dlc) Arthur Jarret TL;DR version – our studio is one of the few which has not been in early talks with Nintendo. We don’t know why. Personally, I think this might indicate that the nintendo seal of quality is making a return. Would be awesome, I really don’t want any more bugs in my games unless it’s a sequel to Deadly creatures. (But I’ll buy the year-later half-priced GOTY edition of bethesda games anyway, they do craft some amazing worlds and nice stories within it.) QuaFicK yeap Im 100% with this guy Tra Allen another developer getting paid by microsoft to talk shit about the Wii U jay Another developer NOT getting paid by Nintendo and is pissed. oontz Yeah your right it’s a HUGE conspiracy. Everyones out to get Nintendo. Zeldude Personally i have huge respect for Bethesda. They are great devs and their games especially The Elder Scrolls have a huge fanbase but as long as Nintendo have Franchises like ZELDA there is no need for the TES franchise on a Nintendo console. Yoboyjohn Lol every ps fanboy don’t want to admit wii on this gen so they make up excuses! Sylux lol @ Bethesda have they ever supported Nintendo? No, they have not. They only supported Microsoft and later Sony as well. How much did Microsoft pay them to say these words. Albeit Nintendo has somewhat failed in reeling in 3rd parties, but c’mon Bethesda? ROFLMAO. Nintendo4life There loss not nintendos Sean start by making a game that doesnt crash my ps3, then talk shit! Mark In my honest opinion, I never really liked Skyrim. I mean sure, it is an adventure game like Zelda, but it just doesn’t click with me like Zelda does. If Bethesda wants to skip the Wii U, that’s okay with me, but for many other Zelda fans, it may be a loss for them. Ryan House I bought the Legendary Edition of Skyrim which includes DLC on disc. I bought it for 360 I very much enjoy these games. loved oblivion Mark More power to you 🙂 It’s a successful series and I do feel it would be quite the mistake if Bethesda doesn’t put their main series games on the Wii U. As I said, I may not like it, but many Zelda fans enjoyed Skyrim. andrewjcole Well, me supporting THEM is a thing of the past. Jon yeah….. it just outsold the other competition. It didn’t survive at all. linkzero65 they are talking crap. as soon as the wii u START selling they will be making their games on the console Jon Whats funny is it would out for less time and STILL sold more than the others when the others had a longer time of marketing. Jon I kind of half agree with him but at the same time, I don’t. This coming from a company that won’t ever give Nintendo anything, never has, makes me wonder really. These guys do nothing for Nintendo so of course Nintendo will not contact them or do anything with them. It is a waste of time and money. It almost sounds like he is kind of whining or mad at Nintendo. I bet he was hoping to strike a deal to get huge heaps of money from Nintendo but Nintendo didn’t bother with them because they are worthless to Nintendo because of the attitude they show. Elitepwnsface Its stupid for sure. But most Bethesda games i tend to mod. So i normally play them on pc. But shoot if they did a skyrim release for wii u i would probably clock in another 100 hours at least haha. DVE Yes they make good games at Bethesda but you never know if you don’t try to develop for a platform that has a lot of potential in the WIIU ! val berger maybe I’m the only one here, but I gotta admit I love Bethesda, I love Fallout and I hate the idea of not being able to controlling my Pitboy with the gamepad, which would’ve been a perfect match. I will even go that far to claim I understand their point of view. I don’t really agree, but I just see that the WiiU just isn’t as mainstream as its competition which for people like me is a good thing, for companies that have to rely on pure success it’s a bad thing. People often mention UbiSoft to be one of the ‘Good guys’ here, but then again, They too have stopped their support for the WiiU. Sure, they have been great supporters, believed in the system more than others and are still open for continuing their support, but in the end, they stopped the support for now according to the same reasons as many others. Speaking of huge players, I think that Bethesda-guy may be right if you think about Third Parties like Rockstar who may have been into creating something if the system would be growing like the Wii did. anyways, sure it sucks that this guy thinks he has to made such statements, but I personally am not really surprised about that point of view. InterTreble Can’t remember one game, one, from Betsomething in any Nintendo system ever. His words can’t worth as the one from Ubisoft, Activision, and so on. SHs supporting Wii U. Tell Betsomething he is wrong, and stop trolling, please! 😉 Logan Waltz Don’t worry, Beth. We have PC’s too. Getting your software for free is just as good as paying for it on Wii U. Daniel Brown That made me laugh. ‘Cause, erm, I may have “tried” Oblivion before I bought it… Only after it went on sale for like, a ridiculously low price on Steam. Lophs Is the sky failing yet for Nintendo Fans? The hits keep on coming InsaneZucchini How is this an “additional hit”? It’s Bethesda continuing to say that they are not developing for Nintendo. This is not news. They have not developed for a Nintendo home console in 22 years. It was confirmed (unnecessarilly) last month, again (unnecessarilly) a month before that, and (reasonably as it was the first mention) months before that back in Sept. 2012. It would seem that either, they like to push that they’re not supporting Nintendo or gaming journalists like to push that Bethesda is not supporting Nintendo. Eitherway, this stopped being news the first time it was published. The rest is just picking at a scab because there’s little else that is news worthy and this continues to damage Wii U’s reputation as it makes it appear as it is losing even more support, which it is not. Jennero Rossi Nintendo had a year head start and they blew it. Nintendo should have just started throwing money at 3rd parties, but they didn’t. nexxus6 I have no problem with Bethesda saying they won’t develop for Nintendo, it’s a free country and they have a right to make that statement. However, my beef is with their reasoning. They say it is because Nintendo didn’t ask for their input in the development process, but in actuality it is like saying that Nintendo didn’t kiss their ass. They know that the WiiU is off to a slow start and that is why they know they can make their comments about Nintendo’s time being “over” for courting third parties. If the WiiU were selling like gang busters and if everything else stayed the same, Bethesda would be pumping out games for the WiiU. In short, they are taking their shots while Nintendo is getting off the mat. Let’s see what happens when Nintendo brushes themselves off and is in the fight. Linskarmo Bethesda could just say that it doesn’t want a somewhat risky venture. That definitely seems what this is going at. It’s Bethesda’s loss, not mine, if they won’t support Wii U. I’ll be getting plenty of games to be happy, but I would love to have Skyrim if it came my way. Larry Howell ” I’m going to focus on other ones that better support what it is we’re trying to do.” ….. and what is that? Uh… make video games? oontz All you Nintendo Power Fanboys/girls should take a minute and watch the video that the quote is taken from. After watching the video and hearing the quote IN CONTEXT to the conversation. He and the other people on the panel… make many VALID points about how Nintendo handled this console launch (including working with 3rd party developers) and give VALID reasons why they aren’t able to support it. Many fingers were pointed at Nintendo’s online infrastructure, or lack there of. Don’t just blindly comment on a little quote. Actually take a minute and watch the linked video. TwinTails Lack there of? I don’t think third parties actually took time to learn it in the first place. oontz ugh, go watch the entire video. Gabe Hoffman How does Wii U lack online infrastructure? oontz First – Did you at least watch the video? the WHOLE video? Where they talk about wiiu online and possible reasons why developers aren’t providing multiplayer components? Second – It’s clear Nintendo doesn’t feel the direction they should head with their games are into the online world. Most Nintendo first party IPs are offline experiences (nintendo land, pikmin 3, NSMBU, etc) other developers see this move by the CONSOLE MAKER and probably either A: feel Wiiu users don’t want online, or B: the online infrastructure isn’t in place because even Nintendo doesn’t use it. Maury nintendo doesnt care about 3rd party support and same with people who buy their consoles and products. all they care about is mario, and zelda, etc… that gets old its was cool back in the 90’s but people are changing now like look at the kids they play call of suty and minecraft now sonic and pikmin. they need need to stop worrying about first party and start focusing on what publishers, developers, and gamers expect and want out of the console and third party support is one of them or the console will and end up like the sega dreamcast. Nintendo take my advice because your wii u console isnt an 8th generation console its nearly 7 1/2. I’ll be buying the wii u zelda bundle but after i beat it im not touching it again until smash bros iamserious So this guy from Bethesda is saying if nintendo would have made a console just like sony and Microsoft THEN maybe they would consider making games for it?? I love nintendo for making systems different than the rest so when it comes to console gaming I’ll stick with them. For anything else I’ll use my built from the ground up PC which is what sony and Microsoft pretty much did albeit at a cheaper price. oontz no he basically isn’t saying that at all. Selena Gomez Wait… Who is Bethesda? What kind of games do they make? Kristian Kouvo Few months later they’ll be sorry and Pete Hines is making a new career washing dishes in some crappy restaurant. Petri Fallout with Wii U Gamepad as pipboy would be a dream, but Bethesda hates innovating 🙁 WellWisher Dishonored would have made a great Wii U game. Don’t like much else from Bethesda though. I_I I didn’t care about anything came from Bethesda and EA back then and now regarding the Final fantasy square killed it when they did X and X2 and the rest of garbage fantasy aka 13 for RPG we’ve the 3DS the best RPG platform and for the rest I believe that 90% of the time there is nothing a western developer game that is good or hold my interest Dell Goodman It is a shame, we’re most likely not going to see a Fallout or Elder Scrolls game on the Wii U. It would play really well with the tablet as a map/quest/inventory screen (with tab arrows), as well as a lock picking screen and hacking screen. But with Bethesda’s attitude towards a new and unique console, it removes respect and interest from me to support them as much. EA’s attitude was childish, attention seeking, and well, no one could care for them. Last Electronic Art’s game I loved was Road Rash for the Sega Mega Drive. So that explains a lot for their company. Gabe Hoffman I call a bunch of horse bull on this. Since when is it to late to convince third parties to get on board? Basically he is saying that it is too late for Wii U since the thing has already launched. That doesn’t explain how major devs like Ubisoft, WB, Activision, Sega, Ubisoft, Capcom, and Platinum are supporting Wii U. Even EA has stated they will support Wii U again when the thing picks up in sales. I read about this someplace and I saw a quote from Hines stating that they would have to re do the controls which is probably the most lame ass excuse I have ever seen. Heck I don’t think even EA pulled an excuse that shitty. Nintendo did try to get people on board early (Ubisoft EA etc) BIG Franky While I actually do agree in principle with this guy, he definitely comes across with a God-complex and sounds like he is too arrogant to remember that no developer stays on top forever…. while Bethesda might be the flavor of the month right now, rest assured, he will be humbled…. they all are. and LOL at him using gearbox as an example, LOL…. who would want that garbage on their console? LOL… Gabe Hoffman Gearbox is not garbage. Aliens was mainly Sega’s fault as they rushed the game even when they were clearly warned by testers it wasn’t ready. Sega has an ugly habit of forcing deadlines. Have you ever played Borderlands if not give it a shot you will thank me later. BIG Franky I woudl read-up on the background of the Aliens debacle… one of the reasons that Gearbox is mired in multiple lawsuits is because they were using resources that were earmarked for Aliens CM for Borderlands 2…..which resulted in a rushed development…. Gearbox is as much to blame for that mess (if not more) as Sega…. oontz BorderLands 2 is amazing. You have no clue. BIG Franky okay… just to reiterate…. i said “on their CONSOLE” … Borderlands on PC? amazingness….. glitchy on the consoles (relatively speaking)…. plus, its amazing if your into FPS’ which obvi i am not. oontz Ummmm… no glitchy game play for me and PS3 Border Lands. BIG Franky yep… thats the version i played….and it was definitely good! … until i played the PC version, and then i saw how bad the PS3 version was. again though, i’m biased against FPS…. it admittedly isnt my favorite genre. wober2 While I think borderlands 1&2 are well made, I cant seemingly get into the game play and world. The grind feels redundant and and unsatisfactory, I really do not like the humor very much either. I swear claptrap is the most annoying thing ever created… I am sure it is who you play it with, and I just have not been a fan of the series yet. Kaihaku Maybe I’m in the minority but I don’t understand why anyone would want to play Bethesda’s games on a console. My impression has been that they are vastly superior on the PC. I play consoles for local multiplayer and for console exclusives – which are mainly JRPGs and Nintendo first party titles at this point. BIG Franky yep… thats my point. walt cart I’d like to know what his excuse is for Elder scrolls Ps3 performance then. in the end they got it sorted out but really? Blazenwing Am I the only one who thinks it’s absolutely ludicrous for a developer to expect a company to tailor make a system to *their* specifications? I’d rather see systems like the Wii U that take a chance and try something new, rather than a dozen different carbon copy consoles that all cost out the butt. But it’s okay, because they can all play Skyrim! -_- Steelmullet Blah, these developers…the wii u band wagon of bad news is over. If a dev isn’t going to make a game for the wii u, just don’t and stop blogging about it. haha really. I mean really, there should be more articles about developers not making games for the GC by these news standards, right? Or maybe the N64, talk about no third party support eh, Bethesda? jeez nintendo, get it together… #sarcasm Ryan House The reason that I’ve liked the last two elder scrolls is because their slow pace. I do not like FPS or games that are extremely fast. I do not get any enjoyment out of a game if it always makes my blood boil. nexxus6 I have no problem with Bethesda saying they won’t develop for Nintendo, it’s a free country and they have a right to make that statement. However, my beef is with their reasoning. They say it is because Nintendo didn’t ask for their input in the development process, but in actuality it is like saying that Nintendo didn’t kiss their ass. They know that the WiiU is off to a slow start and that is why they know they can make their comments about Nintendo’s time being “over” for courting third parties. If the WiiU were selling like gang busters and if everything else stayed the same, Bethesda would be pumping out games for the WiiU. In short, they are taking their shots while Nintendo is getting off the mat. Let’s see what happens when Nintendo brushes themselves off and is in the fight. Yerba_Sutra Well then, Pete Hines… make your own damn console. Saul Strange I guess he has a point, to some degree. The industry has changed a lot over the past 8 years, Sony and Microsoft building new hardware around input from developers was quite forward thinking. I can’t deny that doing that was a very good idea. If Nintendo had collected feedback from developers when making the Wii U, maybe the gamepad would have been thrown out of the window in favour of PS4-like specs? I imagine some people will balk at the idea, but I would be happy with the trade. Even more stunning-looking new Nintendo games and no barriers for third party games / excuses? Count me in! Obviously install base is the absolute main factor, but the hardware aspect of Wii U has me worried about future third party support. In a year or so, when games are only being made for the PC, PS4 and Xbox One (not PS3 and 360) how many will the Wii U get? Porting (properly) to the Wii U may be costly due to how different the specs are, will the install base be big enough to warrant that investment from developers? Some of those cheap ports on the original Wii were pretty bad, I don’t want to see that again! Fingers crossed. C.S. Bailey So in other words, Bethesda thinks that Nintendo should join MS and Sony in kissing their ass for a game………… Just made me not want to buy anymore Bethesda games. If Bethesda knew everything there was to know about making a console, they would be making their own. Better yet, make all your games for the PC, and avoid the console business. Can’t do that though, console gamers spend too much money. reyn69sharla a quick look over at wiki will demonstrate bethesdas deep support for nintendo, by creating and publishing their 1988 hit ”wayne gretzkeys hockey” thanks for everything bethesda, cant wait for your next game. $491174 You people are such BLIND fanboys that its nauseating. I was a NINTENDO kid, and grew int a NiNTENDO adult, and they are in a downward spiral. The WiiU is a COLOSSAL failure. Handheld markets are dying due to all the tablets and smart phones and the games are getting better and better for them. The handheld market is what always saved Nintendo. You people are like going nuts over a reworked old zelda game that looks pretty much identical to what it looked like on the gamecube. It’s utter brainwashing. I suggest you all read this article. http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/04/nintendont/ And I am NOT a hater. I love Nintendo and I want nothing more than for them to change and survive and thrive and become the leader once again. I live breath and sleep Zelda Metroid etc. But this article speaks the truth. ChariotMan7 Dude Shut Up Man. Seriously! Linskarmo I think the title of this article might be highly misleading, unless the Bethesda guy actually said those words. It makes it sound as if he’s are bashing the Wii U overall, saying no one will want to develop for it. From only the main quote itself, it seems that he is saying that the console doesn’t fit Bethesda’s plans. Which is quite a different message. I haven’t watched the source video, so I could be wrong. And I’m not supporting Bethesda either way, but I would like news articles to be accurate and concise. Arthur Jarret Does anyone remember this article? http://wiiudaily.com/2011/07/bethesda-to-support-wii-u-if-its-powerful-enough/ PachterStation Nintendo will bang on with the Wii U, but it’ll tip GameCube to Nintendo 64 sales, but only if it releases more games and brings the price down. No way is a Wii U worth anything over £200 with a game and a hard drive, so you’re looking at the current Xbox 360 and PS3 price/pack structure. The screen controller is the only reason why the Wii U is expensive. Before launch, I knew it would backfire.